Open 587 - Nightless Vengeful Mayhem [Game Over]

[BBmolla]

hi I'm town

[BBmolla]

VOTE: BBmolla

[BBmolla]

I'm a day 1 vengeful I just wanted to use my ability.

Lemme read this game and i might move it. Will read when I get home from class in a couple hours.

[BBmolla]

Cow is scum

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cow

Like 2 posts in this should have been obvious guys

[BBmolla]

Debateably we should actually lynch the second to third scummiest player today instead of the most. Cause then we hit two birds with one stone.

[BBmolla]

Never mind, nightless, I'm dumb.

[BBmolla]

Cow is so fucking obvious scum, what the hell have you guys been doing?

[BBmolla]

The vengekill is a guarunteed town kill, but to be frank it doesn't really matter that much I don't think.

[BBmolla]

Like, kill coming from town I mean.

[BBmolla]

Teapot is fucking town you nimrods

Please start posting more people, lurking is bad.

You seriously think new scum is going to post this shit and be super active and scumhunting

Why do you want people to start voting me, Teapot? What have I done that is so scummy?

You're not super scum, however as people are being jerks and lurking it's all I've got. I'll quote the post I disliked again.

I don't know. I'm leaning towards Zymf right now because I think he's trying to hide the fact that he is scum by saying that scum would try to blend in with everyone else. And I think he's trying to do that.

Hi. Welcome to Open 587. I think we're still in RVS but possibly getting some early reads.

fair warning
for everyone who hasnt done nightless

these are long games
and since were in setup spec
i want to avoid grind

Wait....there are no nights in this game? Okay. That's a new one for me.

And I

unvote

. I think we may be getting some clues on who could possibly be scum. I'll see what comes of it.

You're leaning scum on zymf where as you won't vote him, you also say we're getting clues while not showing them. Feels a little like setting up to wagon anyone who gets wagoned. It's weak however it's something.
Also droog get back here, you're not giving anything good.

Lets talk, who could be scum according to you and why didn't you actually give reads when there are "clues"?
Also, thoughts on droog's play being off? I'd wagon him for pressure to get himself back in here.

Like come the fuck on.

I have townleans on Zymf,

TheCow

, droog, Astinus. Veeery weak townlean on texcat.

explain

1) How many games have you played on this site?
2) How old are you in real life?
3) What's the coolest thing you've ever seen on the internet? Where can I find it?

1) I've played 100+ games I think
2) I'm 21
3) don't care

I like to be vague and not give any explicit hints as to which side I might be on.

wat
how the fuck am I supposed to read you if you don't give me hints that you're town

Morgan is probably a scumfuck with Cow for the Cow read and the bullshit wagon on Tea.

Oh, and Teapot is also pushing for other people to start the lurker wagon for him, making it look like he's attempting to sidestep being responsible for it. Forgot to add that.

I'm generally of the opinion that town tends to lurk a bit more during the beginning, and scum lurks more later in the game.

Disagree with the first part.

ABR is being bad, it's probably ABR/Morgan/Cow GG BOYS FUCKING SOLVED IT

ABR could just be bad though, I never know with him.

archaebob is just misguided, but he's probably town

Yeah ABR is scum after that hop on

texcat is town

That has to be the scummiest wall I've ever seen. I've seen some scummy walls, but that one takes the cake.

We can lynch texcat after vettrock.

Disagree. How is "Let's investigate a lurker because I'm scared were just focusing on vocal people" scummy, please do tell.

JESUS FYCK THIS TEAPOT WAGON IS SO FUCKING DUMB SDFBKSFHASBFHABHSDF

bob townread solidified with ABR vote

So uh, vettrocks not scum. I'm not allowed to say why due to site rules, I'll say no more.
VOTE: ABR
If it isn't clear yet; Votes all main wagons, not usual play, similar to other scum games and intentional no content.

You dont need to say why, the vettrock wagon was obviously scumpushed garbage anyway

Teapot looks pretty sp00ky to me. That much is clear. Anyway, Arch's long rant just there: quite the wall. Was it out of frustration towards the player, or what? Could be that, or a self-condemning quasi-bluff looking thing. *shrugs*

This is too much for my little Cow brain to handle all at once. I'm going to chew it some, and see what the cud tastes like.

At this point, it looks like ABR is almost asking to be lynched. I don't know the guy, so I wouldn't know if this is a regular thing or not. From a Town perspective, this could be done to easily control where the Venge kill will go by the Town player. From a Scum perspective, this could be done to bluff out of a lynch -- though in this situation, that would be illogical, as there is no reason for a town to want to be lynched, or act in such a manner at all.

What I'm getting at here is, ABR

shouldn't

be town, but anything is possible.

The secondary interaction mention above also deserves some looking into, though I'd rather see the response before drawing a conclusion.

HOLY SHIT IT'S LIKE COW IS LITERALLY TELLING US "HEY GUYS IM SCUM WITH ABR"

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ABR

[BBmolla]

Oh, BBmolla is going to be one of those replacements who storms in, says everything is dumb because wine, and then expects to be listened to. Charming.

LOL SICK DISCREDIT BRO

YOU MAD CAUSE I CAUGHT YOU?

[BBmolla]

k

[BBmolla]

Teapot who is your main

[BBmolla]

If you can't say gimme a guesstimate on how long you've been playing here

[BBmolla]

My read on Cow has gotten stale over the years.

Why was it a townread

[BBmolla]

Mafia if you focking vig me I will focking kill you

[BBmolla]

VOTE: TheCow with the silly hat

r00d
you just jelly of my slick style.

Also, hi.

#newplayerswag
No grudge kills here.

I think if you ever asked me to quote what newer scum would post

I'd quote these two posts

But it's honestly the rest of his iso that solidifies it. Technically his first two posts could just him being from SC2 mafia forums.

[BBmolla]

(Not saying he is, but those two posts are very much the day 1 first 10 pages of the game style of posting over there.)

[BBmolla]

#newplayerswag
No grudge kills here.

#newplayerswag
No grudge kills here.

#newplayerswag
No grudge kills here.

#newplayerswag
No grudge kills here.

#newplayerswag
No grudge kills here.

Please tell me the town thought process for posting this post in particular. Like. I literally can't think of any.

[BBmolla]

"I'm gonna make a fluffy useless post referencing the setup so everyone likes me."

I guess? But that seems more scum oriented thinking imo.

[BBmolla]

Fluff posts aren't really alignment-indicative unless there's meta to back it up.

What town thought process makes someone post that

[BBmolla]

Cause it's not true fluff, it's game relevent.

[BBmolla]

Food for thought: would Mafia vote on a day one lynch, when they run the risk of being killed by the D1 Vengeance?

And I mean like

really

[BBmolla]

My read on Cow has gotten stale over the years.

Why was it a townread

^I answered your deflection, your turn Morgs.

[BBmolla]

but I'm confused as to why BB is town reading him so heavily.

To be quite frank because he had 86 posts and I thought he was new.

[BBmolla]

I'm okay with this regardless of the outcome.

[BBmolla]

Unless I take notice of something that convinced me someone is scum. But since that hasn't happened this game yet, do you really want to trust me with the kill?

Unvote, vote Teapot

This post only makes my

vote

harder

[BBmolla]

Well then I don't know what to think of you

*shrug*

I'll look at you later then with that in mind

[BBmolla]

Let's just no lynch till Albert has reads.

[BBmolla]

I still don't get scum Teapot in the least.

[BBmolla]

But like

I still don't see Teapot as scum

Show me?

[BBmolla]

Still don't get scumpot.

Just sitting here at this point, clearly I'm over ruled.

[BBmolla]

You could try using words besides "do not get."

I don't see any sort of scum motivation behind teapots posts

[BBmolla]

Albert, holding DGB up as an example of what normal people do is a sign of irrationality or desperation.

I have the same playstyle as her. We're friends.

Disagree

DGB is funny

[BBmolla]

droog was town dude

[BBmolla]

First, it bothers me that Teapot is so insistent that an ABR flip will confirm Teapot's alignment. (330 374) I don't like it one bit. It sounds too much like scum bussing for the town cred to me. It's hard to believe that they are both scum, but I'm not going to be rushing to put Teapot on my town list in any case.

[BBmolla]

Where did in insulate both wagons are scum

[BBmolla]

Like I thought I've been pretty clear I don't think teapot is scum so what bullshit are you spewing

[BBmolla]

I literally just responded with a wtf image cause texcat was saying that.

Can you guys read?

[BBmolla]

We should stop stating our town reads btw.

[BBmolla]

The ABR wagon is pretty legit just by who is on it in my opinion.

[BBmolla]

ABR I'm fine with you, it's just if you asked me "how do you think I'd try to get out of a lynch as scum?" Id link this game.

[BBmolla]

I find you bringing up past games curious though, especially cause I don't know which one in particular you are referencing.

[BBmolla]

Hero your reads blow

[BBmolla]

Morgan why did you town read cow?

Stop dodging

[BBmolla]

Missed it ty

[BBmolla]

Okay solid.

[BBmolla]

Sup stop wasting your vote thanks.

[BBmolla]

You realistically see everyone switching over to lynch him in the next two days?

[BBmolla]

We can lynch ABR and get him to shoot arch.

If ABR is town, don't you think Teapot would be a more effective shot?

Like, if we do that all we come into tomorrow is "See, ABR was town, lynch Teapot."

[BBmolla]

Slimer's probaly scum.

His questions towards me seem pretty terrible. I don't think he actually cares about answers to them.

[BBmolla]

We could quickwagon TheCow if you guys wanted to

[BBmolla]

Or quickwagon me and I'll shoot TheCow

[BBmolla]

Debateably we should actually lynch the second to third scummiest player today instead of the most. Cause then we hit two birds with one stone.

How would this even work anyway? You're pretty much saying if they flip town that they'll target the scummiest. But you're guaranteeing that it'll most likely hit a town. Why is that good?

Never mind, nightless, I'm dumb.

Second verse, same as the first. Why?

My thought was we could use the vengeshot and have two kills before mafia nightkill someone

Do I need to explain the second one now

[BBmolla]

I was going to protest but I actually could live with that lycnh

[BBmolla]

If hero is town though his vengeshot will be fucking trash

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Albert

[BBmolla]

VOTE: herodotus

[BBmolla]

I'm not opposed to texcat

I was insanely off on vettrock but I know why.

[BBmolla]

Yeah I do

[BBmolla]

My confidence is pretty shot so I have like no will to post

[BBmolla]

Sup wagon is pretty garbage just by who is pushing it.

[BBmolla]

I got confused, I thought hero was pushing it.

[BBmolla]

Sup wagon is pretty garbage just by who is pushing it.

This is literally all you ever have to say about wagons. Give me a reason to care about your posts.

You don't have to care about them. I'm just giving my thoughts, take em or leave em.

[BBmolla]

Are you now in favor of lynching Sup-zero?

Not really. Why do you think he's scum

[BBmolla]

Scum tend to speculate on jesters more often than town because they know the person they're accusing isn't scum, so being scum doesn't explain the behaviour. That post looks very scummy.

This post looks very scummy.

[BBmolla]

That's incredibly unhelpful. If you're not going to give reasons, or anything to make me rethink my opinions outside of "you're wrong," then I will always choose to leave your thoughts in the dust. This is both a team game and a game of manipulation, in case you forgot.

Cool then just trust me and we got no problem, I'm not trying to manipulate anyone.

[BBmolla]

Vettrock's ISO makes my Hero-Scum read harder.

[BBmolla]

And I don't mind lynching slimer either

But I think Sup is a poor lynch.

[BBmolla]

Them being both scum means Hero would be bussing slimer when it's only the two of them left which is unlikely

So probably not scum together?

I'm still with fine both dying.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: slimer

Feeling this atm.

[BBmolla]

I still think hero needs to die regardless, but I'm feeling slimer's play is consistent with him being scum and am more confident there. Notably the questions he doesn't actually give a shit about, just trying to seem active.

[BBmolla]

And before you come in and say "Molla, if slimer is scum, Hero is clearly town because of his crusade against him." I disagree. Replacing in and scumreading slimer-scum is very unrisky, especially when not many people were scumreading vettrock. Once vettrock died, it put his team in a shitty position, but I figure he figured it'd be better to try to go through with his bus instead of back off.

[BBmolla]

Also if it isn't evident, I really haven't been reading your posts hero. I now understand the reaction image.

[BBmolla]

(Also, more people should slip in they think I'm scum so I don't get vig shot)

[BBmolla]

Vote Count 1.7

vettrock (4)

-

archaebob, Albert B. Rampage

, Sup-Zero, Teapot

Albert B. Rampage (4)

-

droog, Zymf, Astinus,

vettrock

Teapot (1)

-

texcat

Not Voting:

theslimer3, TheCow, Morgan

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2015-02-14 21:36:32).

I think vettrock wagon was all town.

[BBmolla]

I'd be very very surprised if both hero and slimer were town

and I'd probably cry

[BBmolla]

Interactions with vettrock

Play in general.

[BBmolla]

Talking for the sake of talking instead of figuring shit out.

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheCow

Slimer and Cow interactions with vettrock are like identical.

I had Cow as town after having him as scum, I don't recall why.

[BBmolla]

That said, I'm uncomfortable with BBmolla for two reasons, both having to deal with his predecessor Astinus.

1.

When ABR and vettrock were neck and neck for the first time, at L-3 each (per Post 150), Astinus was the one who swooped in to break the tie and voted for ABR, not vettrock, in Post 173. Being wrong does not make one scum, but man it sits uneasy with me.

2.

vettrock's Post 57 is another "This guy is scummy, but I won't vote him."


BBmolla, please be town.

I replaced zymf

[BBmolla]

Green Crayons is probably really good scum but it's fine cause I'm pretty sure he's bussing and so I don't want to lynch him for a long time.

[BBmolla]

I'm pretty fine with lynching any of Slimer/Cow/Hero.

[BBmolla]

Green Crayons is probably really good scum but it's fine cause I'm pretty sure he's bussing and so I don't want to lynch him for a long time.

I could be wrong about this, don't take it too much to heart if I get vigged.

I'm just cynical after all my nightless games.

[BBmolla]

Bump

[BBmolla]

Looking back in my ISO, I have NO interaction with Vettrock (except for one post). What are you even talking about here?

Cool, glad we agree.

[BBmolla]

This is wrong. Slimer and Vettock had interactions, even if they weren't direct with each other.

Their interactions consisted of Vettrock always throwing him in as a possible lynch cause slimer is a lurker.

[BBmolla]

BBmolla. Hero. Sup. Seriously. 728.

I mean, I can't vote slimer any harder

[BBmolla]

Oh what the fuck

Can I hammer?

[BBmolla]

Or do we want to let deadline run a bit more

[BBmolla]

Scum can you guys shoot Hero, that'd be great

[BBmolla]

VOTE: slimer

[BBmolla]

Titus you can't even pretend to be bad enough to think I'm scum at this point

Like just vig me if you wanna get rid of me

[BBmolla]

I have to look at shit when I get home, it's possible Titus is just being bad but I doubt it? Or just calling me scum to stop me from being bogged but if that's it idc about getting killed at this point

[BBmolla]

Texcat, Hero, Titus, Supzero
^scum in there

[BBmolla]

Why am I even on any of these lists I don't get it

[BBmolla]

Like how the fuck do you guys realistically think I'm scum here

[BBmolla]

So hit me up with that scum BB logic Titus

[BBmolla]

Titus when have I ever backed off a bus

[BBmolla]

Like, I know this game doesn't exist anymore but in ythans original night less I hard bussed my buddies and I was the only scum left by day 4. I went on to win. I'm not scared of being the last scum in a night less. There is no fucking way I would start a bus and not finish it.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: titus

Well I'm using meta. You're not this bad.

[BBmolla]

In what universe do I purposefully make myself look like shit to claim a meta argument

[BBmolla]

You're accusing me of bussing and then deciding "hey I think it's a great idea to hop off here and fuck myself if you flip from associative tells"
Bullshit titus

[BBmolla]

Now that just looks desperate to save your dayvig and eliminate the threats to you.

You jumped off slimer because you didn't want him dead. The meta argument is justification after the fact.

You have made one partial weakass push the entire game. That push has always been wrong.

I come in, make a case on scum but you just skip right along. You are trying to force something not true.

For being "bad" my first and only vote so far has been on scum.

Titus remember those three games you were scum that I was in when like you first joined the site

How many times did I correctly read you

[BBmolla]

I'm pretty bad at this game.

[BBmolla]

I lived as a confirmed town from like day 3 into endgame

If the reason you think I'm scum is cause my reads are bad, then you're just wrong, my reads are way better as scum cause I fucking bus all the time.

[BBmolla]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5159381
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5286278

If you think I'm scum it should because of hard bussing. I never put myself in a scenario where I look like I weak bussed a buddy.

OH

Fucking example

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58913

like

how can you even compare these two as similar

[BBmolla]

Titus isn't allowed to be alive in endgame. Even if I have to be lynched for her to be lynched.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: texcat

[BBmolla]

Holy shit thanks scum

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Titus

[BBmolla]

@BBmolla:

Holy shit thanks scum

VOTE: Titus

Explain this.

I had hero as possible scum, removing them was a nice gift.

Not like it matters, I'm getting lynched after texcat anyway (they're probably town)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: texcat

Here

You might be right about Morgan.

[BBmolla]

This is so obviously my town play that I just find it hard to believe that Titus thinks I'm actually scum.

But moon logic. And I guess she could assume I'm better than I am. That's flattering.

[BBmolla]

Maybe it was texcat all along and now I'm just talking for no reason.

[BBmolla]

Oh nvm gc unvoted

*shrug*

If the tides turn my way let me reread before I get lynched

[BBmolla]

Pisskop if you're scum wp dude.

[BBmolla]

Not like it matters, I'm getting lynched after texcat anyway (they're probably town)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: texcat

You're voting for someone you think is probably town?

Yep. I have probably town on everyone sans Titus.

Titus has set me up so that if I fight for my life she can say it's cause I'm last scum.

So forgive me for not really giving a shit what I look like. I voted you to move shit along and I've been wrong this game a shit ton so I'm a little unconfident in my own reads.

Like. I donno. I thought I was obviously town but until I can get people to realize that I don't feel like there's s point in finding scum cause no one will listen to me.

I'm probably getting lynched, Titus should be next by my request. Thanks.

[BBmolla]

@BBmolla:

I had hero as possible scum, removing them was a nice gift.

Not like it matters, I'm getting lynched after texcat anyway (they're probably town)

Why did you vote texcat and then switch back to Titus after the daykill?

I actually think Titus is scummier.

[BBmolla]

Like I feel like she is taking my actions and completely ignoring possible reasons. Like I feel like I'm pretty fucking transparent but I guess not.

I would never fucking soft bus as scum. Not even as a "oh meta trick" fuck that, I'd never purposefully make myself look like shit for any reason I'd fucking know that it'd be looked at later and look good. Look at my past scum games ffs.

[BBmolla]

Cool

My reads fucking blow

[BBmolla]

The daykills should be factional imo instead of a role

[BBmolla]

Who are you