Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

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Just got in and reviewing the thread.

Need some time to go over the twenty pages. Not good that I have to start from an L-1 position. Any synapses id the game so far would be helpful.

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only to 13 but my wagon is asinine.

There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?

This makes no sense.

Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)

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@ Fa_Q2 Sorry if I don't capitalize all of it. I'm having a rough day, show me why I'm wrong on thinking you'll net scum?

I cant because you have not presented anything to counter. Your argument is essentially as follows:

Saraph is scum.


That's it. Nothing more. Seraph said he did not have the time to play - that is why he was lurking. He should have replaced FAR earlier but he failed to and there is nothing I can do about that other than to tell you that you are grossly incorrect in the blanket assumption that he must have been scum simply because he refused to play. I am town. Lurking is a crap plan for scum in general anyway. I will never understand the assumption that it is a scum tell - little is further from the truth.

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only to 13 but my wagon is asinine.

There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?

This makes no sense.

Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)

your predecessor has a history of lurking as scum. no way am I going to let active lurking go. he neither scumhunted or did anything of note. and when do you think lurking shld be addressed? in lylo? lol

I can't wait for you to catch up!

The lurking has been addressed - I have replaced him.

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Get this out of the way: VOTE: BRantz
So, for my reads. I will start with the painfully obvious one (and the counter wagon here) Brantz who is damn scummy. I will not rehash the entire thread here but the posts that stand out as extremely scummy are his votes:

Spoiler:

@far: It isn't vm town reading people that's the problem. It's vm calling them unlynchable on page 5 that bugs me. Also, it's unnecessary for me to talk about town reads? Right... got it.

VOTE: farside

@WP: Farside moved up to my top scum read because she accuses me of not saying anything, ...

@Brantz

who was your top scum read before that?

Tier was, but I felt far was a better place to be than Tier because tier was mostly gut. Though I am very underwhelmed by his catch up. He posts a bunch of walls without actually really saying anything. I feel okay going back there now.

VOTE: Tiershift

@Tier: I just assumed you had a case against Elbirn since you said you had points against him during your catch up posts.

Alright, my reads (in alphabetical order):

AxleGreaser: Axle posts a ton of walls, but seems to focus too much on meta and not enough on what is going on in the game (though this has gotten better in the last few pages). My read keeps waffling between mild town and mild scum, so mostly null.

Belisarius: Has been pushing for information gain, and scum hunting pretty much all game . Very town.

DDD/Aero/Flubbernugget: This slot has done almost litterally nothing. Null for now.
@Flub: have you read the game yet?

Elbirn: Elbirn has also been very open with his thoughts, and good scum hunting. Very Town.

farside22: I think the way farside has pushed the people/wagons she is voting has been very good. Town.

hi im Yakko: One of the lurkers, but has some decent content in his posts that aren't "I'm catching up" posts. Mild town.

Seraphim: Has actually done nothing except throw votes around. Scummy.

TSO: I have mixed feelings about TSO's catch up, but I am more inclined to see his posting as town than scum at the moment. I really don't like his stance on making a case on me though it reads very much like scum trying to take a back seat on a wagon. Null, leaning mild town.

Tiershift: I still don't feel like there is a lot of content in his catch up, but rereading it there is certainly more than I initially gave it credit for, and his posting since then feels very proactive. Mild town.
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@Tier: Sorry for missing your question twice. I feel 91 is weird because you saying that you couldn't vote without reading, but then asking a question about something (implying you read) in the same post caused dissonance.

Titus: Has been very active in discussion, and was/is a major driver of the tier wagon. Town.

Valkyrie Mollie: There is an interesting dissonance between GiF and Mollie on who to vote (farside vs me when far was pushing me). There posting has been mostly good though. Still don't like them calling people unlynchable that early. Mild town.

I have a weird lack of scum reads at the moment.

People I am willing to lynch today:
1. Seraphim
2. Flubbernugget

VOTE: Seraphim

They are scummy because every single one of them is an opportunist jump onto a forming wagon. The remainder of his posts are essentially defending votes placed that have little reason. Instead of posting more content, he rehashes existing and rather slim points. Nothing here looks like pro-town behavior. Then, at the end, he finally works ti give some content and town reads the entire game. How is that helpful? He lists his 2 willing lynches with one being a brand new replacement and the other (the previous player to occupy my slot) having not played at all. Everyone is town except for those that have not posted anything that can actually be analyzed. Yet again going for the easy opportunistic lynch.

Actually yeah, GiF: let's hear why I should vote Brantz in your words. No consulting mollie. I have a hell of a time reading her, but I'd love to have a shot at reading

you

correctly for a change.

Easy since I voted him entirely on my own accord!

- Timing of the vote. (No mention of farside reads-wise and suddenly bam a vote on farside the moment mollie votes her with showing suspicion.)
- Justification of the vote. (There is none. His posts before the votes has build-up to scumreading farside and I see nothing in his 171 that warrants a vote on farside.)
- As farside said, while criticizing my very strong townreads, he does nothing to explain why nor explain which one he agrees/disagrees. Just an empty criticism.

I actually agree with you that I had shown no/very little suspicion of farside before this, but the point of my ebwop was that as soon as I was at a computer I was going to flesh out my reason for voting her. I hate writing paragraphs on my phone, so if I have any other option I will use that. I understand that to you the timing looks bad, but I can't really control when I have a second to check the thread on my phone at work.

No, you DID have complete control. Hold your vote until you were at a computer rather than on your phone. Instead you placed a really suspicious vote and then used this as a lame excuse for doing it.

Crap excuses are, well, crappy.

Then my vote is on BRanz is there because it gives us good info as well. Lynching me gives us.... nothing. There is no interaction to examine. My second scum read is VM but I do not think VM is a scum partner to BRanz. Excluding setup's that I think are not likely here (such as multiball) a BRanz lynch will give us some insight on MV. If he flips scum then I think that seriously damages the case against VM because of the interactions on this day between them.

Anyway:
I fond these to be rather scummy:

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So far I haz townread on these people.
- WP
- Titus
- Elbirn
- Axle

Probably obvious townreads but I won't lynch any of these folks today.

What bothers me about this is the timing. Page 5 was WAY to early for hard town reads on anyone. There is only a few ways to be that sure those players are town and the most likely one of those is you are scum. Demanding that those slots cannot be lynched and then talk of a town block before any real posting gets in pings my scumdar. It just does not sit well with me. I don't think VM is a better lynch than BR though because there are some town posts in there as well, particularly how she pushed BR for his opportunistic voting early and built that case.

Then there is TSO who I have a weak scum read on. His is more based on style this game though compared to other places I have seen him play. I would not be ready to place a vote here though.


My strongest town read ATM is AxleGreaser

Most of the others are null. Nothing particularly stood out in my meandering through those 20 pages for them but that is likely due to information overload than anything. I will reengage later after some responses to this post.

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only to 13 but my wagon is asinine.

There are literally 7 posts from my slot in the entire thread - nothing there at all to justify a case. The lynch is essentially a PL because of lurking. Lurking that has been identified as a player did not have time for the game (hence the replace). Are you really telling me that town is going to ignore any scum hunting for a PL?

This makes no sense.

Will give some scum reads when I finish off the thread. (should be up shortly)

your predecessor has a history of lurking as scum. no way am I going to let active lurking go. he neither scumhunted or did anything of note. and when do you think lurking shld be addressed? in lylo? lol

I can't wait for you to catch up!

The lurking has been addressed - I have replaced him.

man you are impatient

It takes time to track down posts and get thoughts together after slogging through that

that doesn't change my read on the original slot tho and tbf you haven't anything fantastic yet except to whine how your slot is being voted for inactivity!

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Oops, somehow I placed my comment in your quote - sorry about that - the above should have:
man you are impatient

It takes time to track down posts and get thoughts together after slogging through that

OUTSIDE the quote box.

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Guess it's time for a good old game of chicken?

But in seriousness, Axle this is going to come down to you. If you decide to hammer one way or the other please give intent first so whichever of us it is can claim.

I am not going to defend my votes any more than I already have. You can like them, hate them, I don't really care one way or the other.

One day people will be able to read me here. Tier and Titus are pretty damn close I think (this game should firm it up for them).

Not really game related but this last statement just seems really silly to me. If you are waiting for people to learn to read you it is going to take forever. You have no control over that. Rather, you should learn from the games to adjust YOUR play accordingly. THAT you can control.

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Just checking in before the day ends - will not be back on until 1800 pacific time. Please do not hammer before that time.

I think the catch up from the replacement is weird. He has 2 scum reads, one town read and a bunch of null. His complaint about vm and the reason he is pretty weak.

Just my 2 cents

As opposed to your 2 scum reads based entirely on lurking, your scum case on VM that I really cannot even find other than a vote paired with defending VM and the case you have fought for against titus half the game based on false meta?

I don't think I did half bad for 2 hours of time that I had available to go through the beginning of the game.

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@Thread

yeah this post has words, lots, and refers to stuff. Please really read all of them. Dont skim.

Okay, that was rather funny.
[quote="In A rather short time ago....
This was your claimed state of mind with how happy you were with the lynch situation.

I'm up for deadline wagons. Sooooo up.

Then on the basis of >>

just

<< this one post

I am just a vt. Do what you gotta do axle.

@FA: why would I change something that works for me just because people have a hard time reading it correctly?

when this was the

Spoiler: previous similar Brantz post

Guess it's time for a good old game of chicken?

But in seriousness, Axle this is going to come down to you. If you decide to hammer one way or the other please give intent first so whichever of us it is can claim.

I am not going to defend my votes any more than I already have. You can like them, hate them, I don't really care one way or the other.

One day people will be able to read me here. Tier and Titus are pretty damn close I think (this game should firm it up for them).

You say about about post 532

This is obviously the latter situation; he's accepting his lynch, not claiming something extravagant in the hopes of making the night. Even in his claiming post, he admits defeat. It's not 'now that this is out of the way, can we please lynch faq?'. Instead, he just takes the bullet.

but that previous post (519 shown above) contained the same kind of emotional response as 532.(also shown above)
It is only after intent to hammer, on the basis of pretty much no new information, that you are "Mope nope nope I

think

pretty damn sure

that guy is town....

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Pretty damn sure

brantz is town due to latedt reactions to getting hammered.

VOTE: faq
I don't like their latest post wrt farside. Am somewhat okay with this lynch.

TLDR 1:

I do not accept your claim that your read changed on the basis of the information you say it did.
The previous Brantz post was quite similar, and you were all systems go for the lynch. 521

and even though there is in fact one post that swayed your mind in that interval,

Great, what do you think of brantz's latest

posts

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you when re-imagining your own past refer to it(one post) as plural.

What else happened in between is I declared intent to hammer. Then you suddenly get change of heart. I dont see the new information that came from. I see distancing.

TLDR 2:

I still intend to Hammer Brantz sometime after 18:00 PDT.

That is, unless of course Tier winds up at L-1 in the next little bit... then Id "reconsider"....

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You are quite possibly correct but that will be determined by the flip.

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Messed up the quote function again. It should have read at the end of his post:

You are quite possibly correct but that will be determined by the flip.

The rest was supposed to be a quote.

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scum:
Tier
Brantz
Elbrin

Prove me wrong, protip you can't.

You spelled "brantz, farside, beli" wrong.

I see your case on farside and branz - I must have missed beli.

Why do you think beli is scum?

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Pretty damn sure brantz is town due to latedt reactions to getting hammered.

VOTE: faq
I don't like their latest post wrt farside. Am somewhat okay with this lynch.

Exactly what do you not like about them?

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Actually, I can't place my finger on why, but the wagon on Seraph feels sorta like the flashwagon on me in Open 480

How so?

Had you also not posted a single post with any impact? Did you also lurk to the point that you were not playing? Was there exactly zero case around you other than blank space?

If not then the reason that you cannot place your finger on why it is similar is because it is not. My wagon formed out of thin air because a player simply refused to play. That really wasn't lurking either - it was simply not playing. Now that he was replaced and this is no longer an issue there is no case against my slot. If BRantz is a bad lynch in your book then who is the alternative that actually has a scum case against them?

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Even with BRantz flipping town I still don't think I like Belisarius. That clear logical contradiction feels like agenda to me. Why did he want BRantz wagon to fail, but he wanted to push through a policy lynch? My gut says he would scumbuddy town to set up false associatives for after he dies. And then there's 529 which again is crap and looks like the kind of thing he did in my past game with him.

Axel is starting to be a scum read.

I want to hear more on this. I can't read Axel.

Non-commital, wishywashy stance on your buddy much?

Belisarius

I don't think that is something scum would do with a suicidal partner....

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will do ISO reads with axle and tell you guys what I think

This is problematic though. Considering that axle likely knew he was going to die then I would venture a guess that he would have been interacting with that very thought in his mind.

Pretty much anytime I look at his posts it becomes a giant befuddled WIFOM. I am not sure we can draw anything concrete from his posts.

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Where is the reasoning on beli?

Yesterday I understood the case - he was defending BR a lot - to much particularly with the scum case around him. Now we have a flip and BR was town - that certainly does not lead me to scum. Then he jumped on my wagon with a weak reason but a reason nonetheless. There was some early pressuring titus but nothing that was scum worthy IMHO.

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I would like to hear VM on last nights occurrences.

Where you at VM?

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I think axl WAS set to die at N1, without a scum kill. This makes the setup most probably 9:2 after N1, which is pretty much balanced if town is weak.

I don't think him suiciding is too townsided or replacing the NK is too townsided. A NK would make it evens, which is something the mod might have tried to prevent.

This actually makes sense. Whatever stopped the NK might have very well caused the suicide to take place. That is the only thing that fits with current information that we have thus far. We night have gotten very lucky with this night.

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Notes titus still dodging questions and forgets Mollie counter point when I voted titus start of day 1 noted.

Notes sudden either or with no explaination.

Scum titus confirmed

Vote: beli

Put your money where your mouth is titus.

Let me get this straight, you scum read titus and VM but not beli and then vote for beli based on the fact titus keeps pushing you for it? That makes absolutely zero sense.

FoS far for this.

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Vote Belisarius, or explain why you're not doing so.

I would assume that this is for everyone:

I explained already - I don't see the case for beli scum with the town flip.

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will do ISO reads with axle and tell you guys what I think

This is problematic though. Considering that axle likely knew he was going to die then I would venture a guess that he would have been interacting with that very thought in his mind.

Pretty much anytime I look at his posts it becomes a giant befuddled WIFOM. I am not sure we can draw anything concrete from his posts.

I disagree. Scum always try to muddy up associative tells, but part of why they work despite that, is because scum isn't very good at muddying them up and that they're quite strong tells.

I thought I saw dissonance between your way of looking at axle for associatives and your actual associatives with him.

I don't understand what this means. What exactly do you think you saw?

I saw you suggesting he was a good vig target as distancing and a possible attempt to waste a town kill. However it is more likely that you share my sentiments of how apathetic his posting can make a game.

Then where is the dissonance you are talking about?

Mollie, you never like me.

Tier seems to know a lot about a suicidal role that the mod is conviently unable to clarify.

If I were scum, I'd 100% not share what the role was, know that. I hang around a lot in the "Open setup ideas and discussion thread" and I've seen the modifier come by a few times. It always meant what I described it as.

Again I know literally none of you agree with me, but Team Scum totally didn't expect an Axle death N1. Which would throw their plans out of whack. Telling us not to look at our only conf-scum for evidence strikes me as odd as well...

What the f do you think the suicidal modifier means? For real, it's obvious that he suicided.

It does because if Flubber knew that Axle would die...at some point.. then claiming Axle should be vigged is excellent play. It establishes a scumread preflip.

No, flub did not express a scumread. He expressed exactly what I expressed: an extreme disgust with axle's posting style, which is a complete liability to town.

Why was axle's posting style 'extremely' disgusting? I don't remember any disgust over it - just the sentiment that he was hard to read.


The suicidal modifier is not accompanied with the triggers for that suicide. That means it could have been voluntary (like giving them information on town PR's or gaining a PR for their team) or involuntary (such as death if the night kill is prevented). We simply do not know.

I was also not stating that we should not look at his posts but that they are generating a whole lot of WIFOM thought making analysis rather difficult for me. I don't get anything useful as of this point because I am operating under the idea that he knew, at the very least, he was going to die at some point and might have even known it was going to be day one.

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FAQ2 if one condition, lookat my hugs again. My hugs.

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I am a rather straightforward guy. If you are not straight forward then I am not going to understand what you are getting at.

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Notes titus still dodging questions and forgets Mollie counter point when I voted titus start of day 1 noted.

Notes sudden either or with no explaination.

Scum titus confirmed

Vote: beli

Put your money where your mouth is titus.

Let me get this straight, you scum read titus and VM but not beli and then vote for beli based on the fact titus keeps pushing you for it? That makes absolutely zero sense.

FoS far for this.

Titus is pushing one read over the other for no reason.
Scum together is my theory

But how is axel flip give beli town points....at all

The axel flip does not. There were 2 flips and beli was actively disagreeing with the town flip. Does that make him town - no - but it certainly does not lead credence to the idea that he is scum. This is particularly true when much of the case against him was centered around the idea that BR was scum.

I have asked for the beli case already. For the most part it was ignored. What was posted is one heck of a weak case. This wagon fired right up and we were on the verge of hammering with TONS of time left. A bad idea for town given the fact that this is day 2 when gathering info is pretty critical.

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Mollie can you expand on the beli town read a bit more to me.

Tier: if this is titus as town I'm putting her on my blacklist after the game ends.

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Why would you do that. Nothing that I have seen this game so far extends to that extreme, not even in the ballpark. This is a lot of hostility for no reason that I can discern.

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She feels genuine and non-manipulative. I understand lots of her thought processes and she makes a few dumb pushes that make no sense from scum
plus the axl interactions I talked about.

What so you make of the hammer intent when, IMHO, it is clearly anti town to do so at this point?

I have titus as town/not a lynch candidate at this time as well BUT I do not like the timing on the intent to hammer one bit.

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Mollie can you expand on the beli town read a bit more to me.

Tier: if this is titus as town I'm putting her on my blacklist after the game ends.

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Why would you do that. Nothing that I have seen this game so far extends to that extreme, not even in the ballpark. This is a lot of hostility for no reason that I can discern.

So her being shitty towards me and not answering my questions if good behavior. I just get non response and attitude when I question her about her push that comes from no where.
Not one single answer back that makes me like her or the game.

Let me know so I can do the same and be shitty towards others and be non responsive as well. Let me know how fun you have feeling that way.

Don't let it get to you like that.

The answer to shitty behavior is a rope. Eventually the behavior changes unless they are sadistic and like the rope - then I understand a blacklist. I have only one person that I am contemplating blacklisting and the interactions this game are not even in the same universe as that event.

Hope you come back cooled off and ready to enjoy the game. I understand the frustration that can build sometimes in a game like this that is based entirely on interpersonal communication and mistrust.

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@VM, I am not throwing.

@Beli, So you are claiming PR then? Or trying to sell us a VT claim?

He is L-3 - why are you digging for PR claims?

I am starting to wonder about you titus...

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TSO check Mollie.

@Beli, Denying a guilty won't make it go away.

Are you claiming that there was an investigation and beli was found guilty?

I will not change over unless you give a hard claim that beli returned a guilty but will swap over if you hard claim as such.

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As I said - I am a pretty straight forward guy. I was not picking that up as a hard claim but now I see where you are coming from.

As it is pretty much in the open, would you mind confirming TSO for those of us in the slow class? You are positive that beli is scum?

Also, at this juncture I do not think that it is unreasonable to mention that I am also a PR (scum have so many targets already) so I am not so sure that mollie's claim is all that unreasonable. I would point out that this is an unreviewed setup with the use of suicide role modifiers and from the OP:
"This is an unreviewed setup so if it's shitty I can't blame it on anyone else"

It is quite possible that there are a ton of PR roles in this game. It makes me wonder what powers the scum have though and how many there are. There is going to have to be some power behind them in order to make up for all of the roles on the town side.

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TSO didn't claim, TSO tunnels, and the only way TSO could have a guilty on me is if my role PM is made of lies.

There's Beli's CC.

Now if you will excuse me, I have real life scum to fry.

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That is not a claim. He could be VT, a PR or even a GF and that statement would be true. That does not make this a counter claim at all :/
PEdit: ninja'd by VM

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TSO didn't claim, TSO tunnels, and the only way TSO could have a guilty on me is if my role PM is made of lies.

There's Beli's CC.

Now if you will excuse me, I have real life scum to fry.

you said he cced before this post

who wants a titus is scum lets lynch her popsicle cos that is what I find the most tasty right now!

I want to hear from TSO first. If he is claiming a hard scum read then we can lynch belli first and TSO if it is a lie.

Titus is not really on the table unless TSO says that he is not claiming an investigative role on beli. I don't see a good scum motivation for trying to misuse a claim like that though - he would have been better off with the quick hammer.

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Ooh, can someone update me with all the claims first? Like a neat little overview?

Sure, but if it's mah sword, it's mah sword, know what I'm saying?

Eli is confirmed VT by Titus if Titus is telling the truth
Titus is claimed doc
Flubber is claimed original vig
I have claimed an unspecified PR
Molly is current vig but not confirmed town
TSO is

suspected

cop. Waiting for confirmation on this. When we get it I will vote beli.

That basically means scum is screwed this game if molly and flub are town (and that makes sense). I think that town just got lucky day one or this game would have went an entirely different direction. 1 scum down and a successful doc protection. We have to be careful though because I have a suspicion that things change if scum aquire the sword.

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On an unrelated note, phone posting sucks. Does anyone know if this site is comparable with tap talk or something simular?

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Can I get a sword please? I like murdering.

Molly gets to select but would say no with all the other more likely town people. TSO will be confirmed town if he claims cop and beli flips, Eli is confirmed and flub is confirmed. Titus will be the target and i am unsure of what happens if scum nail the sword bearer. I assume they aquire it. There is 3 right there unless Titus is angling hard with a scum gambit but I see that as HIGHLY UNLIKELY. Just does not fit.

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Flubber, I'm curious. Why did you pass the sword to Mollie N1?

Note that he had to select 3 not just molly.

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Mollie:

Catty remark.
please shot me so people stop following elb.
Apparently the mislynch on brantz for people not to think for themselves.

Without cattiness

Shot yakko, maybe tso if he doesn't come back.

So, you cam a better target is the possible cop claim...

Well that just screams scum. Lynch beli after TSO returns and vig farside. Sounds like a plan.

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Cam = claim.

Fuck phone posting.

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You should totally claim that unspecified PR.

I don't think there is a town motivation in doing so. It is a weak PR but town knowing really does not help but it does help scum somewhat if they know.

If enough town wants it then I will claim.

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Mollie:

Catty remark.
please shot me so people stop following elb.
Apparently the mislynch on brantz for people not to think for themselves.

Without cattiness

Shot yakko, maybe tso if he doesn't come back.

So, you cam a better target is the possible cop claim...

Well that just screams scum. Lynch beli after TSO returns and vig farside. Sounds like a plan.

Has tso confirmed he has a guilty on beli?
If not stfu then.
Do you know for fact tso is a cop for some reason?

Vm: changed my view, shot the person who has inside info.

Nope and you are advocating shooting him before he can confirm (when you stated if he does not return) I will not stfu when you are trying to advocate killing the possible cop. You might want to stfu before you look even more scummy. Our not. That works as well.

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You should totally claim that unspecified PR.

I don't think there is a town motivation in doing so. It is a weak PR but town knowing really does not help but it does help scum somewhat if they know.

If enough town wants it then I will claim.

Claim it. Now.

I need all the info to determine my heal target.

? TSO would be the default if he confirms cop. Certainly not me.

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OH, can everyone please please please also claim their role flavor as well?

Something about how it is difficult it is to make the flavor make sense because the poem does not makes sense and a mention of the vorpol sword.

[FA_Q2]

Not necessarily. Claim.

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I don't like the way you are pushing this Titus and this is somewhat against my better judgement but I don't see the any other resistance so I will claim. You realize there are abilities like bullet proof that are asinine as fuck to claim so demanding others claim when they tell you it is not helpful is not really kosher.

Town conditional lynch proof. I believe that my "condition" is the vorpol sword must not be in the wrong hands. I assume this goes away when scum get the sword. I may even die immediately if they aquire it.

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I'm not softing anything. This is not a fakeout - I am not softing a guilty here.

Why have you not simply state you got a guilty. Straight forward seems beyond you.

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Not necessarily. Claim.

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I don't like the way you are pushing this Titus and this is somewhat against my better judgement but I don't see the any other resistance so I will claim. You realize there are abilities like bullet proof that are asinine as fuck to claim so demanding others claim when they tell you it is not helpful is not really kosher.

Town conditional lynch proof. I believe that my "condition" is the vorpol sword must not be in the wrong hands. I assume this goes away when scum get the sword. I may even die immediately if they aquire it.

this sounds like a bullshit claim.

I told you pple we shld have lynched him yesterday

its not a bullshit claim and if you really don't believe it then lynch me right now and you'll see it will not work

[FA_Q2]

Not necessarily. Claim.

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I don't like the way you are pushing this Titus and this is somewhat against my better judgement but I don't see the any other resistance so I will claim. You realize there are abilities like bullet proof that are asinine as fuck to claim so demanding others claim when they tell you it is not helpful is not really kosher.

Town conditional lynch proof. I believe that my "condition" is the vorpol sword must not be in the wrong hands. I assume this goes away when scum get the sword. I may even die immediately if they aquire it.

this sounds like a bullshit claim.

I told you pple we shld have lynched him yesterday

its not a bullshit claim and if you really don't believe it then lynch me right now and you'll see it will not work

what is your flavour name

I am the tumtum tree. You?

I assume we should all have one.

[FA_Q2]

To be honest I do not know the poem. The only reference I have seen to the Jabberwocky is from a reference in skyrim. I joined this game for mafia not necessarily the flavor though I like themed games.

[FA_Q2]

VOTE: FA_Q2

Conditional lynchproof as long as the vorpol sword is in the right hands. This lynch will prove my town status even if you are wasting a lynch with it.

TSO better not continue this scummy half claim BS. We should be lynching confirmed scum and his half answers are causing issues.

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Except if you're scum with FAQ then we've proven nothing.

Lynchproof scum? That makes no sense.

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Twice? Why?

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Holy fucking shit.

Nice job outing all the pr roles Titus with completely incorrect reads on people's roles.

TSO - you were fucking ambiguous as hell when it was OBVIOUS that town thought you were the cop. You need to die. Lynch me or him - beli is off the fucking table.

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Twice? Why?

Twice so we get two results to compare.

what are you comparing? I am lynchproof. If it does not work once it is not going to work again. We gain nothing whatsoever by wasting our lynches on me for no damn reason. That is asinine. Of course that is even assuming that I survive as the only player the scum cannot kill during the day phase I am going to be a rather large target at night.

The only thing that lynching me really does is confirm that you and flubber are town. You need to give the sword to confirmed town so trying to lynch me again is going to be useless.

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On the one hand, cop-TSO could be playing obtuse so that he doesn't out himself.

On the other, he could be scum-TSO, we could turbo lynch Beli, he flips town, and then scum-TSO goes "lol I told you guyssss I didn't have a guilty on him." But if that were the case we'd just lynch TSO for being a scumshit. So scum-TSO wouldn't do that. Right?

So long story short we lynch Beli, his partner may be Farside depending on her answer to my question, if not her then it's either FAQ2 or Yakko. GG.

This. Apparently TSO was forced out of the gambit.

VOTE: TSO

Get me to L-1 and Ill hammer myself. Otherwise this scum needs to be removed.

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On phone. far is confscum. That is all.

Not this again. Conf scum means something - TSO threw this kind of crap around and see where that went - pages lost and PR roles outed.

Where is the case? There has not been any cases built around people's lynch decisions for almost this entire day. MV STILL wants to lynch me really bad even though she has not bothered to point out a single scum post yet. Here you are on farside stating confirmed scum without any clarification. Titus wants to lynch me because of setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION after she has been incorrect in absolutely every single detail she was 'sure of' thus far. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in mafia get so much incorrect in so short a time. TSO is the only clearly scummy player IMHO with his half assed backtracking. A case that you even pointed out above and now you are focusing on far! Nothing is making sense at all at this point and this is getting old very quickly.

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Twice? Why?

Twice so we get two results to compare.

what are you comparing? I am lynchproof. If it does not work once it is not going to work again. We gain nothing whatsoever by wasting our lynches on me for no damn reason. That is asinine. Of course that is even assuming that I survive as the only player the scum cannot kill during the day phase I am going to be a rather large target at night.

The only thing that lynching me really does is confirm that you and flubber are town. You need to give the sword to confirmed town so trying to lynch me again is going to be useless.

My assumption is that you are lynchproof as long as town has a vorpal sword no?
I mean, passing it to conftowns were my plan but I don't mind handing it to random ppl just to cop them with your lynchproof either.

I think that is a bad idea. We don't actually know what that does if scum gets it - do they obtain the vig (which I think is likely) then are they going to have 2 kills per night? would 3 townies be worth ONE scum - I do not think so. And then 2 townies each night thereafter! Absolutely not. Particularly when we have a possible town block here to work with (if you try and lynch me) - me, you, eli and flub at the very least. I guess titus as well but I am pretty peeved at titus right now. Titus and eli could possibly be a scum team not performing a night kill and claiming doc powers for town cred but I think that would wear out faster than it is worth. Even more so as that requires town to not have a doc that CC's.

Where the hell are Witness Protection and hi im Yakko btw. To much has transpired - get in here and weigh in.

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And Beli better fucking claim too since we are fucking massclaiming.

He is not going to nor should he. You have caused enough damage.

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On phone. far is confscum. That is all.

Not this again. Conf scum means something - TSO threw this kind of crap around and see where that went - pages lost and PR roles outed.

Where is the case? There has not been any cases built around people's lynch decisions for almost this entire day. MV STILL wants to lynch me really bad even though she has not bothered to point out a single scum post yet. Here you are on farside stating confirmed scum without any clarification. Titus wants to lynch me because of setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION after she has been incorrect in absolutely every single detail she was 'sure of' thus far. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in mafia get so much incorrect in so short a time. TSO is the only clearly scummy player IMHO with his half assed backtracking. A case that you even pointed out above and now you are focusing on far! Nothing is making sense at all at this point and this is getting old very quickly.

we want to lynch you to prove your role what exactly is the problem here

Frustration. It was a rant - sue me.

You have been angling for me most of the game without a case - I did not support that but I DO support lynching me to confirm my role (and other townies) that you are going for now. Titus does not want me lynched (I used the wrong terminology there) - he wanted me vigged. That only confirms my role in so far as I will flip - much less useful. I am simply getting tired of these 'conf. scum' one liners and all this talk without real hunting or cases being presented. I am fine with the plan to lynch me - as I said I will hammer as soon as you get me to L-1. Or TSO - I am more than willing to see TSO to the gallows.

[FA_Q2]

Why ter?

[FA_Q2]

Beli should still die.

No one cares what scum TSO wants to lynch. Vote me since you cant support your own lynch.

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On phone. far is confscum. That is all.

Not this again. Conf scum means something - TSO threw this kind of crap around and see where that went - pages lost and PR roles outed.

Where is the case? There has not been any cases built around people's lynch decisions for almost this entire day. MV STILL wants to lynch me really bad even though she has not bothered to point out a single scum post yet. Here you are on farside stating confirmed scum without any clarification. Titus wants to lynch me because of setup speculation. SETUP SPECULATION after she has been incorrect in absolutely every single detail she was 'sure of' thus far. I don't think I have ever seen anyone in mafia get so much incorrect in so short a time. TSO is the only clearly scummy player IMHO with his half assed backtracking. A case that you even pointed out above and now you are focusing on far! Nothing is making sense at all at this point and this is getting old very quickly.

we want to lynch you to prove your role what exactly is the problem here

Frustration. It was a rant - sue me.

You have been angling for me most of the game without a case - I did not support that but I DO support lynching me to confirm my role (and other townies) that you are going for now. Titus does not want me lynched (I used the wrong terminology there) - he wanted me vigged. That only confirms my role in so far as I will flip - much less useful. I am simply getting tired of these 'conf. scum' one liners and all this talk without real hunting or cases being presented. I am fine with the plan to lynch me - as I said I will hammer as soon as you get me to L-1. Or TSO - I am more than willing to see TSO to the gallows.

you are self-voting at this time so you can't exactly hammer yourself now can you.

Weird other poster who is not in this game - look at 1038 - I am voting TSO. I will come back to me when we manage to get me to l-1.

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Town conditional lynch proof.

I believe that

my "condition" is the vorpol sword must not be in the wrong hands. I assume this goes away when scum get the sword. I may even die immediately if they aquire it.

VOTE: FA_Q2

Conditional lynchproof as long as the vorpol sword is in the right hands. This lynch will prove my town status even if you are wasting a lynch with it.

How did we go from "I THINK my condition is", to "Yeah this is my condition".

What does your role PM say, FAQ2?

My role PM states directly that I am Conditional Lynchproof.

What I assume is the FLAVOR (it does not really state that it is flavor but it uses colorful language) directly mentions that I cannot be lynched as long as the vorpol sword is in the right hands. As the mod will not clarify what the exact conditions are for my lynchproof I have to assume that the flavor provides the insight that I am lacking and that the right hands refers to town (it does also say that scum would cut me down with it so I think my interpretation is pretty damn solid in that respect). Is it possible that I am incorrect? I guess it is but I think that is only a remote possibility and I am more than willing to stake my neck on the fact that if mollie is town then I will not be lynched this day. If I am lynched then mollie is scum (and my death will have been more than worth it). I think that vindication is coming anyway as your case on farside is damn good and she has the vig shot to take care of that. A direct lie about your role is just shy of a confirmed cop guilty. The only other thing that I might take from the role PM would be that I might simply die if the sword ends up in scum hands but I do not think that is actually the case as that would be taking the role wording really loosely and does not fit all that well.

Now, lynch me shoot farside (damn TSO is going to have to wait) and I will hope like hell that I am not killed in the night actions.

VOTE: farside

[FA_Q2]

Elbirn, T S O, Flubbernugget, TierShift, titus, farside - I am at L-3. Get on board already.

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Lynchproofs are vigged. Period. I will not vote to lynch you FAQ.

Because?
You assume that I must be scum to be lynchproof? Chalk that up to yet another thing that you got completely ass backwards this game.

[FA_Q2]

Still pushing to claim.

For what purpose? What is the town motivation at this point. None.

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In Imaginary Dreams scum and Town had identically named roles. That doesn't seem possible here, but I'm sure they've got safe claims.

Right now any conversation is a step in the right direction.

Something that bothers me about Seraphim replacing out is FA_Q2's claim. Yeah he said he was busy, but replacing out of a game where you're lynchproof (especially after expressing anger at being railroaded as scum) when he certainly hasn't site flaked is different from a replace out simply from being too busy.

VOTE: FA_Q2

He didn't express anger at anything. You are lying. He didn't express anything at all.

One more vote.

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I haven't played the game recently. I've been away for a while and just recently returned so my meta is pretty much non-existent. All I have is a recently completed scum game but I'm not alive very long because I got shat on.

He died Day 1, and yeah he's expressed himself over the kill.

Sara never died - I am in his slot.

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I haven't played the game recently. I've been away for a while and just recently returned so my meta is pretty much non-existent. All I have is a recently completed scum game but I'm not alive very long because I got shat on.

He died Day 1, and yeah he's expressed himself over the kill.

Sara never died - I am in his slot.

Sometimes I make assumptions. I assumed we knew I was talking about his complaining about his recent meta (where he got shat on), not this game. Obviously.

I've never played with an unlynchable slot before, and I don't see it's utility in this game? Someone who has more experience with them can speculate on why a Townie would be unlynchable, in this situation.

Weird other poster who is not in this game - look at 1038 - I am voting TSO. I will come back to me when we manage to get me to l-1.

I think that's now.

My role PM states directly that I am Conditional Lynchproof.

OK, but do you have a theme name, or are you a nameless character too? If so, what role do you play in the poem. I'm pretty sure that even though theme flavor won't break the game, all Roles makes sense from the poem's point of view.

Read the thread WP - I already stated my character was the tumtum tree.

You have not been paying attention at all.

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What I assume is the FLAVOR (it does not really state that it is flavor but it uses colorful language) directly mentions that I cannot be lynched as long as the vorpol sword is in the right hands. As the mod will not clarify what the exact conditions are for my lynchproof I have to assume that the flavor provides the insight that I am lacking and that the right hands refers to town (it does also say that scum would cut me down with it so I think my interpretation is pretty damn solid in that respect). Is it possible that I am incorrect? I guess it is but I think that is only a remote possibility and I am more than willing to stake my neck on the fact that if mollie is town then I will not be lynched this day. If I am lynched then mollie is scum (and my death will have been more than worth it). I think that vindication is coming anyway as your case on farside is damn good and she has the vig shot to take care of that. A direct lie about your role is just shy of a confirmed cop guilty. The only other thing that I might take from the role PM would be that I might simply die if the sword ends up in scum hands but I do not think that is actually the case as that would be taking the role wording really loosely and does not fit all that well. Now, lynch me shoot farside (damn TSO is going to have to wait) and I will hope like hell that I am not killed in the night actions.VOTE: farside

I need opinions. Please! Is this bs?

Especially the associations he's putting forth.

I think a lynchproof balances with a suicidal scum quite well.

Everything else you have dreamed up this game has been incorrect. I guess you are sure of this now and THIS time you are somehow going be correct. No, you are still completely backwards.

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thanks for helping me bus him

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W... T... F...

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I want people's reads on TSO. Does anyone think he's town?

no

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We have come to the conclusion that we'll be shooting faq2.

UNVOTE:

ya, shoot fucking town.

I swear, I havent seen so much aggro in playing this game for a long fucking time.

I will not bother responding anymore till this day is over (and will be dead after anyway) so good luck town.


Titus has been as shitty as possible this entire game - it would not surprise me if he is scum. I guess Ill know shortly.
UNVOTE:

[FA_Q2]

wow - almost every death was scum. That never happens...

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You are The Tumtum Tree, Town Conditional Lynchproof.
Rested He By a Tumtum Tree: Look, trying to make the flavour make sense when the poem doesn't is HARD, OKAY? As long as the Vorpal Sword is in the right hands, you cannot be lynched because the Scum would use it to cut you down or something? Look, I DON'T KNOW.
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