We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

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Considering how good his last scum game was, I'm still somewhat cautious but I don't find anything particularly scummy or that gives the same vibe as last game.

I hate this post but not necessarily for alignment related purposes. I generally have a good scum game and I feel it hinders my towngame.

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What's this deal with shooting day 1? I need to read maybe. I don't want to though but no VCA

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Wait, we have a vig confirmed... but we don't know how that works? Huh? #1521

Not sure I agree with Vyse but this looks like town!Vyse due to his combative and assertive nature.

I'm fine with Jackel dying from his ISO. Jackel tends to have a lost vibe as scum from Hilarious which just ended.

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Marquis/Ice how do you get results? does it come in the typical form of "guilty / not guilty" ?

i know what you're thinking and i'm not going to answer for the same reasons

This is actually important to answer now.

Note: I will be grilling you because I just rolled scum cop and that actually was an important question in Hilariously Unbalanced where I was forced to clear too many townies in the end.

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Titus, what do you mean we don't don't know how that works?

1521 implied that there's a certain vig but their identity is unknown.

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What are the list of current claims?

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Can someone give me the list of claims?

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Any specialness to your role Jackal?

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Can someone link me to BBMolla's claim? I want to investigate that because of how it intersects with mine.

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Oh, Bbmolla was also a miller.

Ah yes. That's an important part of the claim.

Can someone link me to BBMolla's claim? I want to investigate that because of how it intersects with mine.

Interesting. I'm far too lazy to do that for you. Intersects with yours though...hmm.

I have a one shot where I can take the upsides and downsides and swap them. While I shouldn't do that day 1, it is kinda surprising to have night 1 be guaranteed to be gone.

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**night 1

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A tracker is possible. I also am a PR, but very swingy (as indicated).

Is there something with the masons?

What is a gated neighborhood?

Cerebus sounds a lot like me when I was trying to get town to self-lynch in Hilarious...

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@Marquis, would masons set up as a neighborhood for your copping?

@copper, which two games? Is it possible this is role madness? Is it possible everyone is some sort of PR?

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Not asking for a claim, but it's ok if I'm roleblocked tonight. I don't plan on acting. Me being forced to act is not helpful.

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Ok these last three posts need explanations...

are scums prs or not?

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Can someone give me the list of claims?

1. Narninian
2. pirate ika (pirate mollie & ika)
3. Toon Fighter-mason with TPTG
4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts)
5. Ozgin
6. ActionDan-Faction Specific BP
7. Three Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason with Toon Fighter
8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia)
9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi)-Neighbor with Cerberus, who claims ChriVi is confirmed town
10. Jackel98- Town Tracker
11. Boonskiies
12. Drixx-Faction Specifci BP
13. PeregrineV
14. vonflare
15. Cerberus v666-Neighbor with ChriVI
16. BRantz
17. Never-melt-ice Marquis- Neighbor Day Cop
18. LucianRoy -Vig/Venge
19. Soren Magua
20. VysePresident
21. deathfisaro
22. Om of the Nom
23. Reubus Swagrid
24. Dani Lihin
25. BBmolla - L-1 night skip(I don't remember if there was anything else)
26. copper223

That's all I can remember without reading through the thread again, I may have missed some. There were some specific claims of not being neighbors as well.

Why is there talk of a vig shot with no vig claimed?

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@Titus
Lucian claimed 1-shot vengilante, he claimed he can either use his vig ability during the day to kill someone or he can use his shot up to 48 hours after he dies.

He should hold it if he's town IMO. If he's scumread, we force him to use it on the opposing scumread. Vigs tend to be best with the most information.

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I don't want anyone shot. I feel that's a terrible idea. If you think he's scum, lynch him. If he's scum, we trigger him anyway. If he's town, he'll have the game state to figure it out.

Also, a lot of these posts assume multiball. That's not an assumption that should be made prior to flips. We have two 13 player games. Thirteen players usually have 3-4 scum.

Given the total lack of analysis based on behavior, I want to lynch someone who is posting a lot of setup spec but no behavior talk.

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If you're being legitimately objective, then why did you claim I didn't do any scumhunting or pressuring of people after the OM wagon derailed, when I clearly did?

Note to self, look at Om wagon later.

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Nah if you're town then you hurt the team by allowing yourself to be lynched. Fight for the counterwagon. Fight till the death.

I like you as a person but I don't know your alignment. That's how I think as well.

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The reason I suggest the Vig shot was because there's still enough time in the day to evaluate both wagons on me, people's interactions with me, and it would have the added benefit of giving the scum teams a whole lot of no win choices during the night phase (potentially even worse if the BB night skip is used to skip straight to day 2, forcing scum to keep on playing and potentially slipping). The more confirmed info the town has the better.

That said, I would appreciate advice on how to get out of the box I'm in. If I can stay active and keep contributing to town without being a distraction/smokescreen, then I bring more utility to town alive than dead. Ask Copper for an honest evaluation of whether or not I know what I'm doing in mafia. I think he'll rate me at least average if not above.

Wagon analysis is best done on day 3 - 4 when there's actual shit to get into.

Barring tri scum or scum versus same faction scum wagons, VCA is pretty helpful IMO.

If you want advice, just direct us. Worst case, you die and we are left with guidance. Stop worrying the fuck about survival. That looks scummy as fuck.

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VLA this weekend. Birthday

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For some reason, the above post really speaks to me.
I think lynching Drixx might be something everyone can agree to today, and for the sake of town cooperation, we need a person with those credentials.
Sorry, Drixx.

VOTE: Drixx

Plus, depending on his flip, we'll have a gold-mine of info.

If Drixx is town, Lucian has good odds of being scum.

VC please

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VLA until deadline bc my birthday

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Vote Count 1.13

Drixx (6)

- Three-Pronged Trouser God, Toon Fighter, ActionDan, LucianRoy, Narninian, Jackel98

Jackel98 (4)

- Magua, vonflare, Bulbasaur Commonwealth, Drixx

BRantz (4)

- VysePresident, Marquis, Om of the Nom, Oranje Crush

ActionDan (2)

- ChriVi, PeregrineV

VysePresident (2)

- copper223, deathfisaro

vonflare (1)

- BRantz

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Marquis (1)

- Boonskiies

Not Voting (3)

: Titus, Ozgin, Lihin, Cerberus v666

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

Mod I am vla until deadline

[Titus]

So much spam.

Magua, what coherent thoughts have I posted? I am so lost I do not even want to vote.

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Titus you felt like voting Brantz.
(Jk, vote him anyway though.)

I am not voting until I can sink my teeth into this mess.

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Prod dodge...

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The problem with letting the night happen is that all it takes is a strongman one-shot or something to kill BB and we don't GET the night skip ever. The one upside I can see to using it is that it confirms BB's claim, makes BB mostly conftown and adds another name to the list of people scum have to worry about. Get enough Conftown into the mid/late game, and PoE becomes almost as good as PR results.

During a night skip, strongman cannot act.

Plus why are you assuming night skip is a good thing now?

We use night skip in mylo, that buys us a mislynch.

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Om don't jump to conclusions. You do that a fair amount and that makes you an easy target.

A scum nightskipper can cause all one shot roles to be wasted.

We don't know enough right now to have him act or to confirm him as town.

I had a one shot lightning rod as scum once. That practically functioned as a scum nightstopper.

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@Drixx, If BB is scum, the odds of him surviving are abysmal because someone else will likely check him.

Yes, thing could go wrong theoretically. Yet that requires no cop to check BBMolla if he's scum.

We cannot control if we mislynch in mylo twice, yet that is the optimal use of BB's ability.

I wasn't the first because it is objectively right.

Cops should sensor the fuck out of the wagons today.

If Lucian suboptimally shoots, it should be someone wagoned for VCA.

Not everyone gets to use their ability.

Plus if all these claims are true, town is loaded.

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Absolutely.

It lets me PR fish when he goes off as whoever confirms BB triggered his ability is a confirmed power role.

Plus if BBis scum, that's exactly what he wants.

Trigger n1.
Cop says BB triggered.
Shoot cop.

Meanwhile if BB doesn't trigger, we get cop checks and other information about the setup.


@Om, I agree with waiting but BB's role could be a scum version.

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I have had that before.

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@Om, I agree with waiting but BB's role could be a scum version.

yes but hello titus this is DAY 1 of a LARGE GAME we have many more days to test this out

And you are yelling at the choir...

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hey titus u know what would actually be helpful hmm maybe if you actually give your own certified opinion on what you think molla's alignment is because all ur doing right now is spouting theory and past experiences to me and it means nothing

That's the rub. It's near impossible to determine Molla's alignment in this noise. Regardless of his alignment, it is a bad idea forhim to trigger n1.

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We should use Molla's night skip as follows...

We have a suspicious every night actor who has claimed that.
That player confirms if nightskip was used.
Only if another PR disagrees is anything else said.

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@Cooper,

Both town and scum benefit by claiming that early. As massive roleblock later can lead to lynch.

Yes. Jackal98 confirms said nightskip thus saving our PRs from having to out to confirm BBMolla did or did not use nightskip.

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We have one day until deadline and the only strongish read I have is OM is town.

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Ok...Molla has to submit that during the day? When I had that variant, I could trigger during the night.

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Well damn it.

Still best to use it at mylo.

I forgot about his conditional thing. Town roles seem to have a drawback of somesort attached to them.

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Cerebus, you have been here since game start, vote a major wagon. We have a day left.

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Btw, I am a treestump for day/night 1. So I cannot vote.

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To prove it,

VOTE: Titus

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About time you claimed that.

Kinda obvious though but I was hoping to keep it on the dl. Yet people will not vote.

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It's Monday. Brantz is not vla anymore.

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See Zero votes on Titus.

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I will tell you when not a treestump.

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No AD. Triggering now is stupid. Vote Brantz so we can get a lynch.

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I literally don't care if we activate my power today or not, if more people than not think I'm scum, than we probably should, otherwise I kind of think it's a waste.

Alignment irrelevant...early trigfer helps scum.

Brantz, trigger now. Once confirmed we can move to someone else.


Vyse is town though.

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I don't know what to think of Brantz role. It makes no sense with me tree stumping...

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My god...we are going to no lynch and I cannot do anythingabout it...

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OMG

can we jut end the day with a lynch already instead of these last minute wagons

VOTE: brantz

Brantz made himself ineligible to be voted.

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UNVOTE:

ARE WE ACTIVATING MY ABILITY TODAY OR NOT

No. From a selfish perspective, I would rather not. I have no plans to act tonight but I have plans for end game with these lylo fucking roles.

From an actual perspective, using you N1 just permits scum to rolefish.


Given I stump, not much else I can do until I destump.

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BB using his ability does not townfirm him.

Scum killing BBMolla means cops live and get investigations off.

Scum might try to shoot plenty of others that have claimed. Lucian for instance. The longer the game the more info he has to vig ftom. With so many claims, predictions are hard. I want to learn.

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Why do you want to use it?

I'm slowly catching up btw

Basically, if we end up in a no lynch, which is more than likely, the scum will take the advantage tonight by default, and we'll start day2 at a disadvantage.
Not good for the long-run.

Stop voting Molla and trying to stall the game.

If you all voted you could actually get a lynch.

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My fucking god people...

While I like the info for vca just pick someone.

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VOTE: The Mod

Noting this for VCA.

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Lucian shouldn't shoot. He should shoot after he's dead. Info maximization.

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Cooper, what is a facebooker?

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@Cooper, I was hoping neighborizer.

Mine has a unique name as well.

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Maybe wacky names are one game and fancy stuff is the other?

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I will try to be back for last minute vcs as needed.

We cannot vote Brantz. Discuss him tomorrow.

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Om stop it. Vote major wagons. 11 hours in a large is no time.

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Btw! It may be a good idea to claim if we have a "fancy name" role PM or "Relatively normal / normal" It separates people into 2 categories and you can roughly guess ~3 scum in each + maybe 1 SK

Agreedish. Will modify for tomorrow.

My role is wierd but lacks a name like Kevlar so..

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The choice is between Jackel98 and PeregrineV.

This.

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Ika, stop it. We do not have the time for a new wagon. Knock it off.

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Paper pushers and tree stumps do not go well on boats.

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That being said I am not opposed to working with you ika.

Hmm..invite me onto your boat if you want to chat.

Otherwise, you can try to have me swim. It will fail.

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*he pulls out a sword and points it towards a player*

VOTE: Narninian

"THIS IS WHAT WE BE MAKING WALK THE PLANK TODAY JOIN ME MATEYS"

Are you a fucking jester, or what?

I have pretty much unleashed the ika on every1 cos I think you all are terribad at mafia consider this I can only hold ika back for so long and he was chafing in hilarious.

like magua and titus are itching for peeps to ignore us while studiously ignoring wagons started less than 24 hours ago.

like really.

I cannot vote. I has treestump. See the last official vc.

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I am not disagreeing or agreeing with anyone. I want to see bodies and then start this.

Brantz's role being immune from lynching combined with my vite shenanigans is wierd.

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Fisaro, if it's serious, sub out. Your health is more important. No one would hold it against you.

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ChriVi I has treestump. Treestumps cannot vote but are immune to nks. I "voted" only to show that I can't.

Now I need to go through and do a vc per page and spoiler it. Given the rates and wagons, it should be telling if the alignments of PV and Drixx are known.

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What the fuck....,.

Why the hell did we lynch a claimed investigator day 1?

VCA will tell us. My bet was it was largely scum driven.

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Neighbor-Cop bruv, please investigate cerberus. I'm like 99% he's town, and if he ends up being conf-town then according to him that makes me conf-town. Which would be nice.

Masons can go screw themselves... If either of them die, the other is conftown. If I die and cerberus isn't investigated, then he isn't conf-town and his role is practically wasted.

*eyeroll* Investigations are best used on nulls...not on shiny logic trains.

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*cries* you forgot the treestump.

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How many shots you got OC?

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^^^ This just claimed sk.

Investigation immune and bp..hmmmm

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Nope. We are not massclaiming before nightfall. I would rather have thread lock.

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I am a treestump. I do nothing but live. I cannot cast a vote.

I can untreestump with my act.

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No other powers.

It's Treestump.

Now, amnesiac commuter. The only thing on the wiki is not commuter for smnesiac.

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We are not massclaimung in twilight. That's just a map to show you your kills.

Also, how can you be amnesiac without being an investigative?

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Lol. The wiki's wrong...lol...

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That's possible, I'm going to update it, more variations:
https://epicmafia.com/role/158
http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Amnesiac
http://sc2mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Amnesiac

So eh, that's 5 sources we have with mostly variating defenitions. I'm not lying, I'm confused as to what you're implying.

Actually loud isn't the correct name, does anyone know the role-modifier that does this?

Lol. This role does not claim. OC would force to get Jackal's role. Given public tracker, that would be easy to verify.

N1 assumes role.

N2 results.

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The proper way to play if that version is shut up. Wait till one side is winning. Grab a role on their side from graveyard.

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So what exactly is your amnesiac OC?

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We can only pray OC sleeps with da fishes.

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Titus, didn't you read?
Apparently I have abilities I will (I don't know by chance or on a certain day) gain at some point. I posted those links to say point out that you saying my amnesiac claim was fake due to me using the wrong usage of amnesiac. I then went on to show that amnesiac has many variants, to show that that statement wasn't true.

You did not. You insisted the wiki was wrong. Someone linked to a variant that could not be your role.

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Yeah you see I am from that site (sc2mafia) for that variant. That variant picks a role from the graveyard and becomes it.

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Sc2mafia variant is impossible. Mafiascum wiki does not have amnesiac. Link directly to the wiki you want me to believe.

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Lol. What website is xylbot? Are you pushing your role is chat mafia centric?

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Oranje is lying.

No shit.

He should be copped.

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Scum you guys should shoot him he's probably important.

That only works if multiball.

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Oranje is lying.

No shit.

He should be copped.

He's probably Ascetic JOAT or some shit though.

That makes sense.

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So hard to get into this game with no vote.

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Marquis, let me handle setup spec .

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Why not? That's what I do best.

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Well what do you think my strong suit is?

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That's not a suit. That's my chessmoves which are my setup spec.

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Garbage in garbage out.

It is funny.

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A permanent every night commuter who cannot ever be successfully targeted by any night actions and will gain additional abilities as the game progresses?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

No, I don't buy the claim at face value. It doesn't necessarily mean scum, but of all the claims so far, it's the best possible scum fake claim I've seen, BBmolla's coming in a close 2nd since (as predicted) we're going to wait to use it and that was probably easily predictable to anyone paying attention. It would be a gambit on BB's part to fakeclaim that, but all it takes is a couple nights to happen in a role madness game like this and then a little "confusion" in triggering it and all of a sudden it's too late.

I think this has more to do with my skepticism of accepting claims at face value than anything else though.

Agreeing with you on the convenience. For those who may have played with the components of this hydra before...are either of them the sort to make a claim that wastes their power as town?

I'm familiar with Bro claiming Tree Stump in a similar manner.

TreeStumps are not immune to all night actions and cannot vote.

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Spoiler: All the Deadline Votes in One Place in Order to Structure VCAs later

Vote Count 1.16

BBmolla (3)

- ChriVi, Ozgin, ActionDan

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

VysePresident (2)

- deathfisaro, copper223

Jackel98 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (13)

: Lihin, Cerberus v666, Three-Pronged Trouser God, VysePresident, Marquis, Om of the Nom, Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Narninian, Jackel98, vonflare, Drixx, Magua

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

Vote Count 1.17

Jackel98 (13)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth, BBmolla, Ozgin, Magua, Lihin, copper223, Om of the Nom, Drixx, Marquis, LucianRoy, Oranje Crush, VysePresident, Cerberus v666

PeregrineV (6)

- ActionDan, vonflare, Jackel98, Pirate Ika, deathfisaro, Narninian

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

BBmolla (1)

- ChriVi

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (1)

: Three-Pronged Trouser God

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

Mod - According to your rulesheet, does a non-majority lynch at deadline lead to a no-lynch? (Aka if the majority wagon is at 9 at DL, will that be a lynch or a no-lynch?)

Yes, you need 13 votes or there will be a no-lynch.

Vote Count 1.16

BBmolla (3)

- ChriVi, Ozgin, ActionDan

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

VysePresident (2)

- deathfisaro, copper223

Jackel98 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

vonflare (1)

- BRantz

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (13)

: Lihin, Cerberus v666, Three-Pronged Trouser God, VysePresident, Marquis, Om of the Nom, Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Narninian, Jackel98, vonflare, Drixx, Magua

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

i think it's too overpowered to be scum

3-shot is easily confirmable too

also, only

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left

drixx is town, molla idk but he's not the lynch (nor are we using that day 1), so vyse or jackel atm

VOTE: jackel

actually why the fuck not

VOTE: pv

nothing useful, best compromise lurker/policy lynch today, let's do it

actually why the fuck not

VOTE: pv

nothing useful, best compromise lurker/policy lynch today, let's do it

I'm down

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PV

I'm perhaps too paranoid, but I can see the 3-shot claim being a gambit to keep us from trying to lynch him again. I suppose time will tell.

So we've got almost no time left. I am not sure we're likely to learn a lot from a PV lynch, but lurksacks being gone is better than not.

VOTE: PV

That was informative, and barring multiple down day vig shots or day role blocks, feels pretty damn imbalanced for scum(though I suppose if hes the only scum, maybe he can't use that powet because he's effectively dead and thus his team loses?). Regardless of the parenthetical, feels like a town role to me.

Vote: PV

Because theres no chance of anyone else getting lynched at the rate votes happen, and lurkers work for PL.

Not enough time to do anything else...
VOTE: PeregrineV

We were always set out for doom anyway.

Im reluctant to lynch a lurker, and ive only read this page, but I hear no-lynch is bad, so

VOTE: perigreneV

sorry

Picking up prod, sorry.

@drixx #1687 - Your attack on TPTG gave off the impression of countering with a scum push on someone who was pretty much conftown and it came off as suspicious, misgauged your intent there. Explanation makes more sense to me now.

Agree that 3-shot of brantz ability would seem unlikely for scum. We could force him to use it again at the tail end of another dayphase with the lynch already agreed upon to prove that he has multiple shots.

Priority now is getting a lynch in time.
VOTE: PeregrineV

To make sure the scum don't pull a fast one by tying anything at the last minute:

VOTE: BBmolla

VOTE: PerV

Brantz's role is, in fact, too crazy stupidly powerful for scum to be scum.

VOTE: Jackel

I understand Peregrine wagon, especially as utility lynch. However, the more I see of this game, "I'm a tracker" just seems wrong. Of everyone who has claimed, the only other roles that hew as closely to standard are the masons.

OMG

can we jut end the day with a lynch already instead of these last minute wagons

VOTE: brantz

OMG

can we jut end the day with a lynch already instead of these last minute wagons

VOTE: brantz

Brantz made himself ineligible to be voted.

VOTE: Drixx
At least this is a lynch with little downside and my gut read may well be wrong because Drixx willing to lynch a random guy is not sitting well with me, that is clearly suboptimal and you know it.

VOTE: Jackel

UNVOTE:

ARE WE ACTIVATING MY ABILITY TODAY OR NOT

BB using his ability does not townfirm him.

Scum killing BBMolla means cops live and get investigations off.

Scum might try to shoot plenty of others that have claimed. Lucian for instance. The longer the game the more info he has to vig ftom. With so many claims, predictions are hard. I want to learn.

Fair enough, I hadn't considered that. VOTE: PV

Molla dying N1 instead of one of the masons should be colored in the greenest green you can find.

Also didn't consider that.

Thanks, hindsight!

If my math's right, BB and Jackel are tied. Mod's rulesheet indicates that a simple majority should decide the lynch, so I think there doesn't need to be any more PV votes (though it wouldn't hurt to push it all the way to be sure).

There should be one more vote on Jackel, at least, to make sure that he should be 2nd-most and priority.

-Ivy still

The way I read it is if 13 is not reached there is no lynch.

Do you all really think the best lynch is a complete blank?

VOTE: PeregrineV

Considering quitting.

Whatever, I'll pitch in...

VOTE: PeregrineV

Like no-way-to-get-claim-or-what-if-claim-obvtowns-him-oh-shit-what-then dumb.]

While I think the likelihood of the latter happening (him claiming obvtown and us being unable to stop it) at this point is slim (I doubt PV is even going to post before the end of D1), I must concede to the former point of no way to get a claim/useful information out of it.

Although I'd rather VOTE: Drixx than Jackal, I think there's more information to be reaped from a Drixx lynch than a Jackal lynch, but that's just me.

VOTE: PV
PV lynch is now feeling pretty unappealing to me. Utility lynch that leaves us with hardly any more information, especially if BBmolla nightskip is utilized. Only moving back if nothing else is going to be pushed through.
VOTE: Drixx
Agree with copper's reasoning. This is probably the best feasible option remaining.

whoops, last post should have said
UNVOTE: PV
VOTE: Drixx

Double vote, whoah.
I town-read copper.
Lead us to victory or destruction.
VOTE: Drixx

UNVOTE: Jackel (again)
VOTE: Drixx

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jackel

VOTE: Drixx

Copper is a smart player. He's betting that nobody will believe he's dumb enough to drive a wagon on me without any real reason. Don't let him off the hook folks.

My flip will read "Town Argyrophilic". I am unsure whether the ability will be explained. The ability is called "Silver Lining" and that should make everything I've said during this day phase make more sense, for anyone paying even a remote amount of attention.

You'll want to look at ActionDan's "example" questioning of me and decide what you think of that. It should now be obvious why I reacted the way I did.

See you all in the dead thread.

We have no clue what role the lurksack in question has if he happens to be town, which is sometimg town Drixx should point out and you were the first to say your lynch may benefit town, with your little martyr spiel, now I am scum for suggesting the same thing in the position we are in? Time to die.

Lurksack is still gonna be a lurksack and need to be lynched later. Scum ain't gonna do it (presuming he's town). You pushing to lynch one of the most active players is just silly. You're also taking my earlier suggestion out of context. In the situation where Lucian was planning to use his dayvig shot and we were going to use the night skip, it seemed like seeing my flip would be super helpful. Those things are no longer the case. Lucian is saving his shot and we're apparently not skipping the night, ergo my flip isn't nearly as big a deal as it would have been under those circumstances.

@all - Copper doesn't need to manipulate and make horrible fallacious and irrational arguments when he's town. When Copper starts looking like a n00b in his first game, that's a huge tell.

With a claim from Drixx, I'm willing to bat back to PV, because we can now get the info from Drixx (Well, we did), AND the policy lynch on a lurker.

VOTE: PV

VOTE: The Mod

Noting this for VCA.

I'm halfway to believing that copper is part of the scumteam Drixx is NK-immune to, and wants him gone to remove the BP threat, likely believing that the opposite team/SKs aren't going to shoot Drixx for him.

FOR FUCK'S SAKE, OZGIN, NOT PV! Go jackel! Go vonflare! Go copper! Hell, DRIXX is better than PV! (don't seriously vote Drixx, tho, just saying that's a better spot for a vote than PV)

-Ivy

P-EDIT: Because everyone's being swayed by copper's desperation, apparently.

I'm really not confident in any wagon here, but I'm going to trust your better judgement.

I still want to lynch vonflaire, but I think a kill is more likely to happen if I:

VOTE: Jackel

But I still think it's too late to turn that PV wagon around.

I'll vote Drixx. I think Drixx is town and I'll still do this.

I'll vote Jackel, because again, compared to all other claims made to date, Jackel's falls super flat on flavor.

UNVOTE: Drixx
VOTE: Jackel

I'm not going to fucking vote someone who had no wagon interest until 12 hrs until deadline. That's the stupidest idea I've heard in awhile. Brantz goes and obvtowns himself by role. BBmolla can obvtown himself by role. Marquis can maybe kinda obvtown himself by role. Lucian can obvtown himself by role. Lynching someone without a claim is a terrible thing to do.

BBmolla being all "shoot copper" with his sig being all "Hammer without a claim is a policy lynch. No exceptions." is ironically unamusing.

We just really need a lynch today.
VOTE: Pv

I've now got a strong gut feeling that Drixx is town because his name claim lines with my own role.
Jackel is a good target.
UNVOTE: Drixx
VOTE: Jackel

VOTE: PV
PV lynch is now feeling pretty unappealing to me. Utility lynch that leaves us with hardly any more information, especially if BBmolla nightskip is utilized. Only moving back if nothing else is going to be pushed through.
VOTE: Drixx
Agree with copper's reasoning. This is probably the best feasible option remaining.

I become increasingly convinced this slot is scum

11 hours left we can do this
VOTE: Lihin

VOTE: Jackel98

fine
VOTE: Jackel

*he pulls out a sword and points it towards a player*

VOTE: Narninian

"THIS IS WHAT WE BE MAKING WALK THE PLANK TODAY JOIN ME MATEYS"

VOTE: perv

Uh I had some serious heartburn and acid regulators not really working so I'm in so much pain to play the game at the moment. Going to the hospital in a few hours.
But at least trying to give some, if minimum, contribution to the game.

If we're lynching Jackel, might as well trigger Molla because if Jackel's a tracker we're 1 investigator shorter.
If we're lynching PV, I don't know if it's good or bad to trigger it N1.

I jumped off Jackel wagon because of reasons already stated, being close to the deadline isn't a good reason to reverse my reasons.

VOTE: PeregrineV

What's the rational choice of lynch here? Most all of us apparently have very odd names for our roles, and thus that is weak evidence that Jackel may have been lying; however, he also could have just simplified his role down to what it does. After all, when I claimed, I claimed what my role did ... not the name of it or the name of the ability it gave me.

So the question is whether weak evidence is enough to risk getting rid of a tracker ... and it is further compounded by not at all knowing what PV's role might be or really anything at all about PV other than he's been a lurksack in this game and made an apology post to mods and gave the reasoning. I think he's been put on the replacement list for this game, so he can't come and claim and the slot is currently empty.

So do we want to lynch a claimed tracker or an unknown awaiting replacement?

(I didn't realize how long it had been since PV posted when I said that we should lynch him because he'd continue to just lurk going forward ... that doesn't really hold any water with the realization that he is well past the force replace time).

unvote

VOTE: Jackel

VOTE: Jackel

Dan I'm still not discussing this today.

Jackel is probably better than Pv, even though I feel like both would be probable mislynchs.
VOTE: Jackel

VOTE: Jackal
PV looks like a scum compromise, don't touch it.
WHO SHOULD I VOTE?

VOTE: PeregrineV

because I don't want to lynch a claimed investigator day freaking 1.

Oh yeah.

VOTE: Jackel

L-1, and all that.

hmm. ugh.

Vote: Jackel

If this has not already happened,

unvote, vote: Jackel

Spoiler: The Claims

1. Narninian
2. pirate ika (pirate mollie & ika) - Davy Jones's Locker
3. Toon Fighter-mason with TPTG
4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) - Amnesiac commuter (bullshit)
5. Ozgin
6. ActionDan-Faction Specific BP
7. Three Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Mason with Toon Fighter
8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia)
9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi)-Neighbor with Cerberus, who claims ChriVi is confirmed town
10. Jackel98- Town Tracker
11. Boonskiies
12. Drixx-Faction Specifci BP
13. PeregrineV
14. vonflare
15. Cerberus v666-Neighbor with ChriVI
16. BRantz - 3 shot lynch fucker
17. Never-melt-ice Marquis- Neighbor Day Cop
18. LucianRoy -Vig/Venge
19. Soren Magua
20. VysePresident
21. deathfisaro
22. Om of the Nom
23.

Reubus Swagrid

- Treestump with vote revival
24. Dani Lihin
25. BBmolla - Second Most Votes Night Skipper
26. copper223 - Facebooker

I know the masons are missing from up there.

[Titus]

Don't bother convincing me. I ain't untreestumping until I got a kickass VCA.

[Titus]

Anything I say is just an observation. If I can't vote, I cannot tunnel.

[Titus]

Observations on BRantz, please? (At least, I think you were one talking about him not being scum due to his role...?)

I want to compare his wagon to the Jackal wagon. I would look for overlap for players that are less likely aligned with either.

Setting that aside, Brantz having 3 shot governor is more likely town. Checking him would not be terrible though.

[Titus]

Well if there's someone in the hood, they can verify who Marquis checked N1 and their alignment. We should not be hasty.

@AD, likely two scum factions.

I would like more pressure on lihn as well.

I need to look at the numbers on the votes and make that data managable.


Cerebrus, why are you suggesting you scum?

[Titus]

3. Brantz should be out of shots by mylo.

@ChiVi, Marquis claimed Neighborhood cop who got his results at night. That means he is in a hood. His result would be there. The neighbor can claim it.

@All, anyone realize Marquis did not flip cop though?

[Titus]

Ok, in order to determine which player is in which game, I would like each player to put whether their flip would be something found in the wiki.

Jackal would be found in the wiki (even though I cannot find the public modifier). New kid on the block cannot be found in the wiki.

[Titus]

No Narn. Nightskip is best used at mylo if we get that far. I will have a counter if nightskip does not happen in known lylo.

[Titus]

*mylo

[Titus]

Mylo, we lynch.

Night gets skipped. If we are right, we buy ourselves more time.

If we mislynched in mylo, we then go to lylo.

[Titus]

Why? Walk me through it.

[Titus]

Vote: Titus

Explain.

Btw, I would vote you for engaging in such stupidity but I cannot.

[Titus]

Or there is no SK at all. The mod entrance implies no sk.

@BBMolla, I don't think so. Docs usually heal one kill.

[Titus]

Agreed.

[Titus]

Lucian, vote scum. That's where the votes should go. Without a scum flip, vca does not do much.

[Titus]

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

Hmm so that leaves open BBMolla could have been killed. It saved a body at least.

Can you redirect off yourself?

[Titus]

I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;

I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)

I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.

That's... wierd

Does your rolecard say kill redirector?

[Titus]

Why do you suppose the volcano dudes went after Marwuis?

[Titus]

I'm having InuYasha flashbacks..

[Titus]

Whoops, that last post didn't even have coherent thoughts.

"The volcano faction probably went for their opposing cop, and you saved a potential town death by re-directing a kill on Molla to the same slot of Marquis."

This has even more assumptions. Why could Marquis check only one faction? How do you know it was volcanoes?

[Titus]

only one kill?

did anyone roleblock anyone?

maybe everyone should hypoclaim roleblocker, and who they wouldve roleblocked if they were a RBer?

Two factions killed same dude most likely.

[Titus]

Lucian, stop dodging me. What made you think Marquis only got positives on volcanoes?

[Titus]

Lucian, stop dodging me. What made you think Marquis only got positives on volcanoes?

I thought Marquis was the one who claimed the name of the volcano faction, but I forgot it was apparently Molla.
That's why I asked: "was it molla, or ice that claimed they knew one of the faction's names?"

I am psuedo voting this.

[Titus]

Hey, I screwed up. I didn't have my facts straight.

Also, I didn't use my gun last night, so I still have my bullet.
Not that I'm subtly implying anything...

Treestumps are immune to all day/night kills.

Not to directly state anything.

[Titus]

It is.


@Narnian - VCA is short for Vote Count Analysis. You look at who vote whom and what options they had. A player who consistently votes scum is more likely than not town.

[Titus]

@Drixx, vote Lucian for me please.

I will link to the VCA thread. I also will not quibble with ypu to prove VCA's value now, but it is incredibly useful when triggered at the right time and in seasoned hands.

[Titus]

@Titus
Why didn't you unstump?

Because having a kill immune townie is better at this point. If I unstump at the right time, town wins as I get two votes the day I unstump.

So in a 1 v 1 town wins.

I also suck at early game.

@Narn do not redirect to me as the mod has told me that someone can force me to untreestump.

[Titus]

@ActionDan, Am I wrong in sensing a similiarity between BB and Narn that is similar to BB and Young and Beautiful in InuYasha?

[Titus]

@ActionDan, Am I wrong in sensing a similiarity between BB and Narn that is similar to BB and Young and Beautiful in InuYasha?

And you want to leave alive/ignore players because of their roleclaim... . You were there...

Who do you think I am wanting to keep alive because of their role?

[Titus]

If you are still lost after your reread, the protown thing is to kill one of the people wagoned yesterday (PV or Drixx). That would help us learn if those wagons changing fast were in defense of a buddy or not.

@Drixx not getting into a theory debate with you.

[Titus]

Titus: You've been around for years longer than I. If you have found some valuable way to apply large scale observations, and you have had statistically significant success with it, then it follows that explaining such would help everyone, including the skeptical me.

Agreed.

There's a few premises I need to be statisically significant though

1: A scum flip. If multiball, a flip from each faction (although InuYasha shows this is not always the case).
2: At least 4 days of flips.
3: [Redacted] but I will indicate its possibility with my vca if that is possible.

[Titus]

@ActionDan, Am I wrong in sensing a similiarity between BB and Narn that is similar to BB and Young and Beautiful in InuYasha?

I actually thought 3 shot friendly neighbor was a good claim

So no.

That's the rub. It was. YnB used you to confirm her. Narnian "confirms" you.

[Titus]

How does it "confirm" me

If a faction shot you, you are 99.9% likely not to be a member of said faction. Xmen is the only game where I have seen otherwise.

[Titus]

Also:

- it is extremely unwise to keep Molla around untested until mylo as Titus suggested, I'd test today or tomorrow.

- Oranje needs to explain his twilight play unless I missed it.

That's misunderstood. After a mislynch in mylo, I would attempt to destump. If I destumped, BBMolla was lying and we'd lynch him. If not, then I could try again to destump later. I am a counter to Molla shenagans. So no, I really don't care if Molla is untested.

I am not hunting by what claim is safe, but rather what claim is plausible. I can't do shit now, but I will be helpful in late game.

[Titus]

Titus, can I get an overview of your reads, please?

Lucian appears to need rope.
OC needs to post.

Gut says Drixxx is scum but I cannot articulate why.

You are town.

Titus wants to join a hood.

I need to look at wagons.

Based on VCA, I would want PV and Drixx flipped so I could figure out what scum were doing in those pushes. No read on PV though.

[Titus]

How does it "confirm" me

If a faction shot you, you are 99.9% likely not to be a member of said faction. Xmen is the only game where I have seen otherwise.

But that's dumb?

Why would I tell my partner to fakeclaim redirecting from me to the fucking neighbor daycop

If I was as in tune as I was in Inuyasha than sure

But I blatantly and clearly understood that Marquis was a neighbor daycop

I thought having you fake the friendly neighbor message was dumb too. That being said, I would want Narnian flipped before you in any event.

[Titus]

@Drixx, Flag on the play. Kill flavor does not support concluding any scumteam exists.

What did you think of the speedwagons yesterday?

[Titus]

Titus, are you saying like ~2 people obvcounterwagoned to save their buddy and it rolled that fast?

Ewww on this Garcia.

I am not stating anything. I want Drixx's opinion.

[Titus]

To add on the mylo vs now discussion for bbmolla we do have to consider he might have been targeted last night...
There are saves (and some WIFOM on that regard) but he could also die before we can use it for town benefit.

The town benefit is getting us an extra lynch as bb is a nightstopper, not a kill stopper.

[Titus]

To add on the mylo vs now discussion for bbmolla we do have to consider he might have been targeted last night...
There are saves (and some WIFOM on that regard) but he could also die before we can use it for town benefit.

The town benefit is getting us an extra lynch as bb is a nightstopper, not a kill stopper.

huh? I just mean if we don't use his ability until Mylo he might die before we can use it.

We would get no use before mylo anyway.

[Titus]

No he should take kills from obvtown and redirect them.

[Titus]

Bulbasaur, if I may ask, what play of mine was stupid? Or at least, stupid in a way that it should be mentioned in the same breath as

narninian choosing to redirect a kill to a cop rather than to a treestump/BP

in an attempt to prevent the kill completely.

OK I'm actually sold on this.
There is no certainty that a protective role exists in this game (because a 13p vanilaless I played had none). And BPs weren't playing to draw in NKs. Now that AD and Drixx claimed BP, there's little merit for scums to risk shooting them. So if Narninian redirected kill from Marquis to Drixx (who claimed werewolf-BP or eviscerateproof) for example, then we have the information volcano wanted Marquis dead which leads to a very high chance of volcano existing in the neighbourhood.
Redirect could have killed the cop if neither scum actually targeted him (you know, if you expected Marquis to be protected, wouldn't scums too?)

Not if both scumteams were given the fake claim of bp and at least one may have used it (A)

[Titus]

OC is still a good lynch.

[Titus]

Vote Count 2.01

Oranje Crush (2)

- Narninian, Toon Fighter

LucianRoy (2)

- Om of the Nom, Drixx

Titus (1)

- Three-Pronged Trouser God

copper223 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

Pirate Ika (1)

- Ozgin

Ozgin (1)

- deathfisaro

Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)

- VysePresident

Not Voting (16)

: Pirate Ika, Oranje Crush, ActionDan, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, vonflare, Cerberus v666, BRantz, LucianRoy, Magua, Titus, Lihin, BBmolla, copper223

With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).

Oh happy day, we can in fact, lynch Titus, and we should. The MyLo bullshit she's been spewing has got to be the most blatantly scummy thing I've ever seen. "Oh let's let BBMolla till MyLo and use his ability....oh don't worry if we mislynch in MyLo I will unstump and give us another chance." 10 points to anyone who can correctly tell me why every bit of that is bad. (Titus need not answer)

I already am proven treestump so you're problem is what? You think I am lying? Rotfl.

Lynching town because you disagree with strategy.

[Titus]

So then you think I am scum because you disagree with me on strategy? Look, Everyone would know if Molla nightskipped or not. You act as if only I would. If night was not skipped, he would be dead.

@ika, After this and team mafia cpnsider yourself blacklisted. I am sick of every game turning into a shit storm between us.

[Titus]

omg the blacklist threat

I actually do it ika. Treat me like anyone else.

[Titus]

omg the blacklist threat

I actually do it ika. Treat me like anyone else.

you don't even realize what I am doing do you

You are pissing me off. That's what you are doing.

[Titus]

So you want to lynch me? And I am a townread?


Seriously I am VLAing this shit for my own mental health since I cannot vote and too many scumd problem.

VLA 3 days

[Titus]

Also how the fuck am I a "good lynch".
I was "fucking town" yesterday before twighlight. I claimed, didn't die and only one kill happened. How fucking far-streched is your mind to think that I'm still SK and not a commuter. ESPECIALLY when one night kill was blocked possibly be me.

I never said two kills came from mafia. Assumption error.

Your claim is still shit.

Zero evidence ok. SK.

[Titus]

I am not treating BBMolla as town. I know I can counter him so I want an extra lynch if needed. If he lies, we get a scum lynch. If I became convinced he was scum, I would vote him.

Second, I am not playing out guess the mod nor treating BB as conftown. I saw Narnian's redirect claim and went there that he tried to conftown BB.

I work with data and framework. Deal with it.


@OC, You have seriously got to be kidding me. No scum in their right mind kills someone wiyh an obvious fake claim. Plus you admitted to commuting which means I believe (if I recall corrdctly) you could not pick up an ability.

[Titus]

Ika, now that's more plausible.

[Titus]

@ika, scum!OC commutes to avoid investigators?

[Titus]

Look at the motivation she gave, once Drixx described his role in full she said the role matched up with information she has, I mean I don't like saying this but it's pretty obvious now that you placed the focus on it that she likely also has some information about werewolves in the game, that sound like a good reason to drastically switch your read on a player you were scumreading.

Despite Drixx and Bulbasaur's comments, Drixx was a logical lynch there so I don't hold her joining it as scum indicative, the fact she hopped from wagon to wagon at the end of the day when we were scrambling for a lynch is more town than scum indicative, you are more likely to try and get a lynch in without caring how it looks if you are town rather than scum, where you might have to be prepared to defend your play in the future so you are more likely to cover your ass.

+1 to the last paragraph.

[Titus]

The motivation in my eyes is "I want to get on a wagon".
With toon she's self-aware that just joining is too scummy, so she terribly justifies it.
There's also the odd motivation of "I'm going to only look at the main wagons and pick one" which really doesn't feel right.

This last sentence is just wrong. We needed a lynch.

[Titus]

Lucian,

Shoot Pirate Ika. Trust me and don't question it.

Trust me. For the love of god, trust me.

I have perfectly good reasons for it.

That's a terrible idea. I actually like PI's posting here. It's consistent with yesterday.

[Titus]

Lucian,

Shoot Pirate Ika. Trust me and don't question it.

Trust me. For the love of god, trust me.

I have perfectly good reasons for it.

are you fake claiming a cop guilty on me?

LETS JUST GET IT OUT IN THE OPEN

cos this will be the 6th time it has happened.

I think he's PV.

[Titus]

Ok explain, why am I newb scum?
What tells am I giving?

Playing with elements wgertz was much more passive.

[Titus]

VOTE: ozgin

Eyes on the prize. I don't think his guilty is a guilty but he thinks it is.

[Titus]

Investigating PV/Drixx would have been more useful.

You could investigate me tomorrow Ozgin.

That being said, I thought you were a vig ika?

[Titus]

TPTG, cop does not equal town. #hu2

Pika has not done meta tell I don't think so I lean town. Said tell is for singleball single head but I still like it as indicative...

The game is not bastard though so one of them should be scum.

If its Ozgin, the claim was a diversion

[Titus]

I still think the objective best play is too shoot PI. If PI flips town, lynch Ozgin. Period. No hesitation. I don't want to but that is logically what my gut says to do.

Not if scum are immune from crosskills. I was immune in hu2 which told me Klingon was scum. There's zero problem in claiming cop if scum cannot kill each other.

[Titus]

Did Lucian ever tell us if his shot ends the day?

No he did not. Good question.

Pointless as it just reaffirms our course for tomorrow if it does.

Yet, I have never seen a vig end the day.

[Titus]

Mods: What do you consider bastard?

[Titus]

Blah shit. That means both Ozgin and ika could be town if tailor is not bastard.

We should have Ozgin investigate more

Both Pika and Ozgin seem legit to me.

Yet I can't vote. I am not so sure they are both town.

I think it is good I am not voting.

[Titus]

so you think The tailor (if in game) got extremely lucky?

I think its the least likely thing and we should kill ika.

What does a tailor do?

A tailor makes a person look guilty when they are innocent and vice versa. It's a role ika and I are more familiat with from our sc2mafia time but it has made a resurgence here lately.

[Titus]

So let's look at Marquis's ISO. If he had a townread on ika, framing ika makes less sense.

Framing ika is almost always a decent play for scum because they could presume I would push it imo. Yet if the cop doesn't check ika, no amount of baggage will get him lynched.

[Titus]

feeling om could be scum in the same way mollie could be scum

eh i'll think it over overnight

mollie i'm a waste of your time whether you're scum or not. for once, i'm the one with more control here and i'm using it

Vote Count 1.16

BBmolla (3)

- ChriVi, Ozgin, ActionDan

Drixx (2)

- Toon Fighter, Boonskiies

VysePresident (2)

- deathfisaro, copper223

Jackel98 (1)

- Bulbasaur Commonwealth

ActionDan (1)

- PeregrineV

vonflare (1)

- BRantz

Toon Fighter (1)

- BBmolla

deathfisaro (1)

- Pirate Ika

Titus (0)

- Titus

Not Voting (13)

: Lihin, Cerberus v666, Three-Pronged Trouser God, VysePresident, Marquis, Om of the Nom, Oranje Crush, LucianRoy, Narninian, Jackel98, vonflare, Drixx, Magua

With 24 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34).

i think it's too overpowered to be scum

3-shot is easily confirmable too

also, only

(expired on 2015-03-17 11:57:34)

left

drixx is town, molla idk but he's not the lynch (nor are we using that day 1), so vyse or jackel atm

VOTE: jackel

Yes framing ika is a decent play.

[Titus]

Derp the last one says Mollie not Molla.

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Derp the last one says Mollie not Molla.

Derp...Molla not Mollie.

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If we suppose scumteam A wanted ika framed, why would they kill Marquis? That literally defeats the purpose of a frame. But if they killed someone else, namely BBMolla and the kill got redirected to Marquis that makes sense. A team with a framer/tailor has much less desire for a nightskip.

I don't see any other way ika's town.

So if ika's town, then Narnian is not Scumteam A.

TLDR, if there's a framer, Narnian is not on their team.

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Whatever, I'll read, judge the situation, and probably end up killing Pika.

I wouldn't blame you if you did. Right now, my readsare a babbling incoherent mess but I am pretty much the only player who thinks ika may be town.

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We are not skipping the night if you shoot. I highlight doubt it is carried over.

You are in no way confirmed town if you do this. I should probably leave you to your delusions but bleh, no one would buythat Lucian.

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@Ozgin, do you think it's possible ika was framed? Why did you check ika?

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Won't even lie.
Didn't read.

O. Lol.

But seriously, Pirate Ika was who I investigated last night, it came back Berlin Undercity Mafia, and if you shoot them I get bulletproof tonight which lets me investigate someone else tomorrow. If you shoot them now, we also can get another read today and a lynch and killing becomes more efficient. People also doubt my cop claim, so you'd not only BP me, you'd verify my alignment. It would be all-around great.

Ika's "defense" is that - "Uhh, I don't know how that even happens! Like I'm so confused! It must have been a bus driver or a framer!" - Basically, they're trying to hide under the

possibility

of a PR that they don't even know exists,

and the unlikely nature of that PR being used on them as opposed to anybody relevant.

Ika is always relevant and Marquis alluded to checking them.

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We are not skipping the night if you shoot. I highlight doubt it is carried over.

You are in no way confirmed town if you do this. I should probably leave you to your delusions but bleh, no one would buythat Lucian.

I agree, but him saying these things after claiming vengilante is why he is likely town regardless.

True but that's similiar to how I conftown as scum so...

Let's suppose both ika and Ozgin are town, both bps are town, who is scum?

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Then why did you check ika over those other "more relevant" players if you thought the chance of a framer was remote? It makes logical sense to frame the guythe confirmed cop crumbed he would check. Also, how did you not make a note of this and checked the same guy n1?

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Also, Marquis claimed cop. You are claiming cop. That didn't send the slightest red flag to you Ozgin?

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And Titus, It's better if we use Molla's ability now, rather than later.
We shouldn't wait till mylo. That'll just eat up saves from protective roles by keeping him alive.

Unless their is an SK, the only protective roles we have are bps and treestump. Those cannot protect Molla. Narnian might. His death would resolve a lot, so scum may just avoid killing him or BBMolla entirely.

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Also I don't really get much of a say if we use Molla's ability. You know, lack of vote and all.

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I am starting to think Ozgin's claim is fake.

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Agreed. Molla should not do this thing. Narnian redirects from Molla to someone univrrsally scumread. Ozgin checks me to get that out of his system.

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Whateva...

VOTE: BBMolla

Let's make this a triple scum-kill.
And no, molla is not scum, we should activate his ability by him having the second most votes at the end of the day.

No. Do that Ozgin is not bp.

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Also, somebody should protect Ozgin.

pedit: go for it TPTG!

Ozgin is bp tonight.

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Copper, what role did you claim?
I forgot.

Facebooker.


This is a good investigation target.

He has forgot about Ozgin's bp repeatedly and suggested methods that would counter act it. He has forgot about Cooper's role now. I fee like this could be fake forgetful. Combine that withconftown reach.

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@Lucian
I am a town facebooker.

@Wgeurts
I am not buddying you, I have had that townread from the start of the game, so what's the basis of this accusation?

You told us you got no fruit, which is likely what they wanted you to say and which makes perfect sense because if they tried to RB you it would fail, so if they really would get a fruit from their action it would likely be denied, the fact you told us and someone else pointed the sequence, I know I did but someone else mentioned it as well, made it slightly more believable that they messed up the mechanics of commuter and really tried to block you, which scum would have little interest in doing.

More likely they believed OC was town and thus would not commute.

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I don't think that's likely unless the planned to kill them as well.

I don't think killing him is likely.

They likely wanted him to confirm something and got pissed when OC was dumb.

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Hm no, I don't think that's likely period, there were much better targets to roleblock.

Maybe they thought cross-scum block?

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Titus, why do you still think I'm scum?
I already used my ability, and killed a maf Rb.
You seem reluctant to withdraw your read/technical vote from drixx on

your

behalf, but you also want me investigated?
Do you want to see me flip? Or do you really want me to be a waste of a cop investigation? Which is it?

Also, Drixx needs to vote for himself.
Hehe, no, I mean Drixx needs to not vote on behalf of others.

The group collective wanted said shot. So that means nothing.

Drixx is free to do what he wants.

There's lots of good targets for investigation. Hell if I keep staring at this, I could make a case to investigate anyone.

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@Ozgin - Lucian there but I will put down my big list of who to investigate.

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1. Narninian - If Narn is town, then my BB/Narn InuYasha fears drop.
3. Toon Fighter - He does not seem to stand out.
4. Oranje Crush (BROseidon & wgeurts) - They are decent due to their funky claim but they will just commute so bleh.
5. Ozgin - No. Just do not investigate this guy.
6. ActionDan - Bulletproofs are always good investigations
7. Three-Pronged Trouser God (Untrod Tripod & kuribo & T-Bone) - Scum would want me dead. Plus this hydra will be hard to lynch if scum.
8. Bulbasaur Commonwealth (Bulbazak & mastin2 & Voidedmafia) - All seasoned players. Mastia sorted as town fast is very helpful late game. If scum she's a bad threat. Bulba is more reserved. He tends to get lost in wackiness though.
9. ChriVi (Chrimi & Viomi) - Seems townish for now. Also not many strong links. Not a horrible choice but it is better to investigate players with strong opinions.
11. Boonskiies - Is he even posting?

Status check on Boonskiies please.

12. Drixx - VCA help, cooper drixxhas been tossed a lot.
13. PeregrineV
14. vonflare
15. Cerberus v666
16. BRantz - Confirming the guy who can remove himself is good.
18. LucianRoy - What's his role again? Lol. Seriously. Too forgetful for comfort.
19. Soren Magua
20. VysePresident
21. deathfisaro
22. Om of the Nom
23. Reubus Swagrid Titus - Confirming treestump as town is good and will piss scum off.
24. Dani Lihin - Major collective scumread.
25. BBmolla - Not a fan here. If we confirm BB as town, we will lose an extra lynch, which is the point of his ability.
26. copper223 - Copper-Drixx link investigated

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25. BBmolla - Not a fan here. If we confirm BB as town, we will lose an extra lynch, which is the point of his ability.

Uh? It won't confirm me as town and it gives us an extra lynch <_<

We confirm you as town. Scum kill you. We cannot use your ability at mylo to ensure an extra lynch. That is the point of your ability.

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VOTE: Oranje

BRantz leave or I'm lynching you

I can roll with that.

Ignoring TPTG.

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I guess he's confirmed whatever he claimed.

We should force a claim from lihin.

Barring a serial killer, Brantz is town.

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@Titus - I posted on the page before the one you posted that. haha.

I've been in a sitewide lull the past week or so. I'm finally able to get more time into this. DON'T WORRY!! THE BOON SHALL PREVAIL AND PROBABLY CATCH UP ON THIS GAME DURING NIGHT 2.

Or now. I could do it now.

This Boonskiies says that boonskiies should remember why we mislynched the vigilante in Titus meet. Possible here?

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I made a fucking huge case twice and voted her, however I was

diverted by my partner

due to the cop claim and target.
Byw wgeurts is me.
What's wrong with the way I voted her?
You haven't looked at the cases have you?
Nor do you realise I started the lihin push.

Explain the bolded please.

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I can vote Lihin after a VC. I actually agree that it isn't wise to actually abuse BBm's ability today.

I am also amused that Titus seems to forget he's a miller

That's a good reason not to check BB. :$

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@Ozgin, Lucian, A wierd idea just came to me. Three hatted masonry. Lol.

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Not to derail or anything, but I tried searching for a connection between "Berlin under-city mafia" and "eviscerating."
My efforts were fruitless.
However, I remembered something really strange in the back of my mind. If anyone has ever heard of the infamous serial killer "Jack the Ripper," he's known for eviscerating his victims.
Just thought people might like to know.
Wiki on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper

Jack the Ripper is associated with London, not Berlin.

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@Copper
Fair point.
1) Replacement happened 2000 posts ago.
2) Jackel? PV? It wouldn't be tunnelling if I'm pursuing multiple targets simulatenously since I can vote only one at a time and leaving the others unpressured is kinda meaningless in terms of pressuring with votes to draw them out of hiding?
3) Don't recall anyone at L-1 who he could have silent hammered by giving hate status.
4) Besides buying his "silver" thing, source of townreads?

Why didn't Lihn give this to a scumread lurker?

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Jesus fuck Oranje is scum

where the fuck are the votes

Who do you think their partners are?

My gut is screaming Drixx scum atm.

Wgertz is doing most of the posting and he reads a hell of a lot more scummy than broseidon.

In playing with elements, I attempted to wagon myself to force massclaim and he was still wagoned before me.