We Didn't Playtest This | Game over, everyone loses

[vonflare]

First

[vonflare]

VOTE: ozgin

because he's not my grandfather

[vonflare]

26 players.

I hope there's a lot of nightkills....

[vonflare]

I'm a bulletproof modkillproof lynchproof strongman ninja weak miller insane doctor compulsive even-commuter inventor tracker.

[vonflare]

One thing I've learned....

Never trust someone who pretends to be your grandfather and then tries to lynch you.

[vonflare]

This is not looking good for ozgin

this is major offender to me re:ogzin related things

i like ogzin as town already and vonflare and lucian both sound fake as heck imo

id drop some self-meta on you but that's scummy.

UNVOTE: oz

Because you people are taking it too seriously.

[vonflare]

This is not looking good for ozgin

this is major offender to me re:ogzin related things

i like ogzin as town already and vonflare and lucian both sound fake as heck imo

id drop some self-meta on you but that's scummy.

no its not
people who say its scummy are idiots

Giving meta when no one asks for it is scummy, imo.

[vonflare]

then why the heck did u openly suggest giving self-meta unprovoked
not only that but you also never asked for a pinpointed reason to actually counter to before you said that

What?

[vonflare]

Aren't there 26 votes in play?

[vonflare]

VOTE: Trouser God

I find you're posting style repulsive.

[vonflare]

Ebwop

Your*

[vonflare]

ooga booga.

lets see if that generates any discussion.

[vonflare]

what the actual hell

[vonflare]

did I just read

[vonflare]

behold, superior logic

[vonflare]

Wat

[vonflare]

Night skipper?

Lel

[vonflare]

Just skip every night and lynch everyone except him.

[vonflare]

Bbmolla plex exploin

[vonflare]

BB, I'm hesitant to fully trust you. I would prefer more info, your role could prove vital late game. (Like skipping a mylo, night giving us another chance.)

I'm inclined to believe bbmolla, no one would claim that role if they didn't actually have it, because its so easy to verify.

[vonflare]

@mod: is cop sanity garenteed?

[vonflare]

Honestly we should probably just wait for a cop claim or investigative claim to nightskip

Double day is a lot more useful with more information

And if I die before then I'm okay with that

I'm sure there is plenty of investigative roles, no reason to force their claim to get the night skip

Vote: BBMolla

There are so many things wrong with this.

Pedit: lol u2

[vonflare]

All I said is me, myself and I, wouldn't mind claiming.

If this is for the reasons I'm thinking (which is likely), I'm fairly sure you're town.

Exploin

[vonflare]

I got no neighbours. I feel lonely.

[vonflare]

I think we should claim whether we have neighbours or not. The benifit to the town outweighs the potential drawbacks (that is, if Ice isn't lying)

[vonflare]

And even if I were just Townie or a different role, I would say in my experience that Neighbors claiming is usually for more of a town than scum benefit. It's information that scum potentially has access to from the start, while the rest of town don't, so it evens the playing field even if only by a small amount.

This post makes absolutely no sense.

How would scum have access to that information?

How does that info help town?

How would that even the playing field?

What does "even if I was a different role..." That's setting up to change your claim.

Fos: ice

[vonflare]

In fact, I'm still sitting on my rvs vote, and ice needs to be... Pressurized.

VOTE: nevermeltice

[vonflare]

I think we should claim whether we have neighbours or not. The benifit to the town outweighs the potential drawbacks (that is, if Ice isn't lying)

In fact, I'm still sitting on my rvs vote, and ice needs to be... Pressurized.

VOTE: nevermeltice

VOTE: Von Flare

How nice that you removed the part where I give a reason for the vote, and then quote a post in which I agree with a statement the person I'm voting for made.

Did you use my vote out of context on purpose, or did a witch control your action?

[vonflare]

No activity for 3 hours what has the world come to have you all died irl or wat

[vonflare]

I have to submit the action during the day

, then I get a result at night. I wouldn't normally ask for claims so early, but the mod won't tell me if my target is a neighbor or not when I submit. So I would rather know all my options now, instead of guessing blindly and then if wrong have to wait for the next day before I can even try again.

When I got my Role PM, I realized I had two options.

Either I could stay silent and try to find a neighbor day 1, most likely only find out that they're not a neighbor and I

can't cop them night 1

, do the same day 2, get the same result night 2, and so on with the risk of not having any results for a long time

im confuzzled. do you cop them during the day or night? or did I miss something?

not calling you out or anything, just confused.

[vonflare]

@Boon
You are not getting away with your VI routine this game as you use it when you are scum as well. Oranje's vote may well be badly motivated since I am also not a fan of PL's, but why does that mean he is scum?

How come you decided to grace us with your august presence so many pages into the game?

@All
I'd love to see your scumreads and why you think they are scum at this point.

@copper:

ICE reeks of third-party. His claim and blatant disregard for teamwork makes him a candidate for SK. If he isn't 3rd party, he's prob town. Survivor maybe? I can't see him as mafia.

Oranje seems mafia, bc his whole purpose in this thread is directing attention at ice without real reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a lyncher too.

[vonflare]

Please let's not skip n1.

[vonflare]

VOTE: oranje

Stop spamming the thread.

[vonflare]

@vonflare Do you have scumreads?

ICE reeks of third-party. His claim and blatant disregard for teamwork makes him a candidate for SK. If he isn't 3rd party, he's prob town. Survivor maybe? I can't see him as mafia.

Oranje seems mafia, bc his whole purpose in this thread is directing attention at ice without real reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a lyncher too.

[vonflare]

Oranje seems mafia, bc his whole purpose in this thread is directing attention at ice without real reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a lyncher too.

??? By Oranje's ISO, let alone the whole thread, none of what you said here holds. He's been attacking people who suspect Ice for a while. Are you sure this isn't a read on someone else? If not, please explain how he's drawing lynch attention to Ice, because I have no idea.

Also ugh I can't believe I missed that post it was right below cppper's.

I didn't ISO him, that's the vibe I'm getting. I kinda skimmed over the last few pages, did his attitude towards ice change?

Ima read.

[vonflare]

Can you two take your argument to another thread? Thx

[vonflare]

26 players.

I hope there's a lot of nightkills....

And vonflare, all his votes have been based of no content besides ice. This post quoted also feels

really

wrong.

Dude I'm saying there's a lot of players and it will be easier when there's less. it was a joke.

[vonflare]

Oh, he's voting for me because he has

better read

on me than the other guy.

Did you just scumclaim?

Lol

I think he means the read is, in the voters opinion, stronger.

[vonflare]

Just skip every night and lynch everyone except him.

Please let's not skip n1.

What changed in your opinion between these two posts?

I realized we shouldn't go forward with no information. And assuming multiball, there might be some crosskill

[vonflare]

VOTE: drixx

Bc y not he's already ded and omnomnom makes a good point and I want to be on this lynch.

Also, what's this about scum has day kill? Y didn't they use it today?

[vonflare]

VOTE: no insults

[vonflare]

Hey intros tripod can you change the password on your hydra so kuribo an't log in thx

VOTE: kuribo's trousers

[vonflare]

If kuribo continues like this I'm leaving this isn't cool man

[vonflare]

Please can we kill this. Or at least force replace

[vonflare]

Just wait for him to be replaced, there is no reason to policy lynch him.

UNVOTE:

Sigh...
UNVOTE:

I'm still policy lynching him if he somehow manages to not get replaced.

Agreed

vote: oranje

[vonflare]

I'm not even reading anything he posted on all caps

[vonflare]

kuribo flipping out

[vonflare]

Why am I bieng wagoned?

Should I claim?

[vonflare]

How many votes are on me?

im town btw

[vonflare]

Psa incoming? What's that mean? O probs about trouser.

I thought I had more than 5 votes.

Has Dan justified his vote on me? I can't find it.

Eat some pecan pie and be happy.

I'm gonna ISO toon now I guess.

[vonflare]

vonflare, Oranje is either town or contributing/helpful enough that your vote doesn't matter at this point. Vote real scum, like Toon Fighter.

I think he's kinda scummy but if that wagon isn't moving then okay

VOTE: toon

Still think oranje is kinda scummy

[vonflare]

Laughing at their tears and suffering, the High Priest unfurled his Trouser God from beneath his flowing robes. He knew beyond all doubt that all the precious little children were just afraid of having their scumminess exposed. His godly seed stirred in his loins like his stomach rumbling, and he felt the need to spray it on vonflare, who would bend beneath its considerable weight in supplication.

Please, could someone nightkill him.

[vonflare]

26 players.

I hope there's a lot of nightkills....

Even though Von later justifies this as a "joke," this is still extremely strange to me. Who says these kinds of things? Assuming town greatly outnumber scum/SKs, more town are likely to die N1 than scum/tp, so why do you want a lot of deaths? Why do you want a high chance of dying?

As i said before, I said that becuase there are so many players and theres a lot to keep track of. it was a joke.

And even if I were just Townie or a different role, I would say in my experience that Neighbors claiming is usually for more of a town than scum benefit. It's information that scum potentially has access to from the start, while the rest of town don't, so it evens the playing field even if only by a small amount.

This post makes absolutely no sense.

How would scum have access to that information?

How does that info help town?

How would that even the playing field?

What does "even if I was a different role..." That's setting up to change your claim.

Fos: ice

While I agree that the whole, "Oh scum might already know this" is bullshit, I still don't get why:
1) You FoS Ice without voting for them.
2) Say that he's setting up for a role claim change later on down the line, which likewise makes no sense.

1) maybe look at the post that is

immedietly after the one you quoted.

thx.
2) It made sense to me at the time.

@Boon
You are not getting away with your VI routine this game as you use it when you are scum as well. Oranje's vote may well be badly motivated since I am also not a fan of PL's, but why does that mean he is scum?

How come you decided to grace us with your august presence so many pages into the game?

@All
I'd love to see your scumreads and why you think they are scum at this point.

@copper:

ICE reeks of third-party. His claim and blatant disregard for teamwork makes him a candidate for SK. If he isn't 3rd party, he's prob town. Survivor maybe? I can't see him as mafia.

Oranje seems mafia, bc his whole purpose in this thread is directing attention at ice without real reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a lyncher too.

What is third-party about ice? What you described was what a scum is - someone working against the towns teamwork. I also don't get what's necessarily scummy about his claim.

Why do you think oranje is scum for pushing on ice when even you yourself doubt ice's town alignment? What sense does that make?

1) He seemed 3rd party at the time, becuase of his claim and the way he was acting.
2) So your saying Mafia wouldnt want to lynch an SK? becuase im pretty sure thats good for the mafia.

VOTE: oranje

Stop spamming the thread.

I thought this was interesting because you used Oranje's "spamming" as a reason to vote, not an actual scumread from a post. No scumslip, nothing scummy they're doing, just because they're "spamming"?

yes. he was being annoying. also the above post where I say i think hes mafia. derp.

VOTE: drixx

Bc y not he's already ded and omnomnom makes a good point and I want to be on this lynch.

Also, what's this about scum has day kill? Y didn't they use it today?

"Oh let's just vote Drixx because he's already halfway there, whatever lol let's not even bother reading the player's posts or anything." Wagoning because it's cool without actually believing the claim or having a claim to make is pretty scummy.

"oh lets rephrase what I said so as to portray it in a way that makes me look like a sheep"
Honestly, I thought the post by IKA above that was the hammer. i thought drixx was hammered, lynched, strung up, and I put it on as a little accessory to the lynch. take that in whatever way you will.

vonflare, Oranje is either town or contributing/helpful enough that your vote doesn't matter at this point. Vote real scum, like Toon Fighter.

I think he's kinda scummy but if that wagon isn't moving then okay

VOTE: toon

Still think oranje is kinda scummy

Again, you vote toon because you think it's what other cool cats are doing? It's popular? Why do you need Ice to coach your votes? If you really think Oranje is scum, why not make a case against them? Vote for them? Even if your wagon isn't catching on, if you build a good scumcase, people will push that wagon with you. The issue is you either don't have a scumcase on them from legitimately reading their posts, or you're just letting your scum partner ice guide you along through a scum game where you don't necessarily know what the hell you're doing.

lol

[vonflare]

^ they are confirmed town to each other. That means if 2 people claim mason they are both the same alignment (2 town or 2 scum fake claiming mason)

[vonflare]

This seems like a pretty obvious thing to point out, but isn't "Mason" really just a "Neighbor" claim with a better sounding role?

No. Masons are mod-confirmed town to each other. Neighbours just get to talk.

[vonflare]

^ Ninjad.

[vonflare]

Stahp the quote pyramids.

[vonflare]

Reaction testing. You ruined it.

Then why didn't you remove your vote immediately?

BOOOOOOOOOM

[vonflare]

Ozgin I did respond to your case.

[vonflare]

Lol vyse has as many votes as me now.

What's the case against him?

[vonflare]

^ last sentence

+1

[vonflare]

Post #1001

[vonflare]

TA vyse is a lurker, but he's not scummy. I bet there's scum on that wagon tho.

[vonflare]

TA vyse is a lurker, but he's not scummy. I bet there's scum on that wagon tho.

VOTE: Vonflare

Thx for that very reasonable vote. Your reasoning is impeccable. I am honoured to be the recipient of such a well explained vote.

[vonflare]

Town with powerroles don't like to replace out

And this game is no-vt.

So if someone is busy but not replacing, it makes sense.

I know I would want to play this game to the end.

[vonflare]

About the Vyse situation: Is it accepted here to take peoples statements about real life issues at face value? I tend to just accept what someone is saying if they claim RL is the cause of their inactivity etc.

There's no way to verify that, it's considered good form to accept what people say about RL.

[vonflare]

Helllllooooo

So Lucian is a dayvig? Didn't see that coming.

I recommend killing toon fighter, I guess. I'm still trying to organize my thoughts.

[vonflare]

Also trouser, killing inactives isn't very good sportsmanship, much less good play.

[vonflare]

Also trouser, killing inactives isn't very good sportsmanship, much less good play.

Please explain why this would be bad play.

Becuase we dont have information on them. we dont get any info if they die.

at least if we kill someone whos active, we can look back on thier reads with certanity about thier role. but inactives have no reads to look back on.

[vonflare]

/slowclap

[vonflare]

Hi.

[vonflare]

Toon fighter, i guess.

[vonflare]

Did I miss someone?

I got no neighbours. I feel lonely.

[vonflare]

Also, also, I really wish someone would've reaction tested me on D1 with a cop guilty, because that would've been awesome and totally worked because I am a moron.

what does this mean?

[vonflare]

Also, also, I really wish someone would've reaction tested me on D1 with a cop guilty, because that would've been awesome and totally worked because I am a moron.

what does this mean?

Which part do you not understand?

Are you saying that you would scumslip under those circumstances?

[vonflare]

Are you saying that you would scumslip under those circumstances?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. You do understand!

You you are claiming scum?

[vonflare]

Jester?

[vonflare]

ummmm

[vonflare]

Aha!
Found it in the sign-up thread!

We didn't consult each other before making the setup, except for general rules like no jesters or cults.
We created both setups independantly, without consulting each other, then fused them together and checked for any incredibly broken stuff.
As far as roles go, there are unusual things, but there are no bastard elements.
Vanillaless means no VT. There may or may not be goons, I don't remember lol.

Wowee. Cool.

"i dont remember lol"

okay....

[vonflare]

i doubt that there is just one neighbourhood if nevermeltice is truthful.

Be honest people.

[vonflare]

Alright so Lucian, my scum reads.

Vonflare: Von has done litterally nothing to forward the game, most of his posts consist of things like (90,447 and 825) I also really didn't like 728s flippant reaction to a wagon on him. If his posting isn't scummy it is at the very least anti-town.

Soren/replacement: 618 pinged me as off, even if he has been playing mafia for less than a year (which he said) there is literal zero chance he hasn't heard the term hammer before. Then pretty much every post fro 844 to 1007 is just completely awful. I see no town motivation for the way he was playing. Magua has been interesting but makes me feel a little better about this slot.

Lucian: Yes, you claimed, and it is even a confirmable one. I don't think that 100% makes you town (unless scum 1-shot vig is something bastard, then I will withdraw my whole case here). But you have tried so hard to fence sit this game that I am not completely convinced you are town (things like 32, 114, 115, 171 (you never voted chivri), 380, etc.) have me feeling uneasy on you.

@brantz: sorry my posting has been lacking extensive content. I'm involved in a LOT of games currently.

Il try to be more active.

[vonflare]

Wow 5 pages overnight.

Wish me luck.

[vonflare]

town (for now) claims:

marquis
bbmolla (may be rethinking this soon)
tptg
toon
chrivi
cerb
drixx
dan

Why
Why
Why
No
What
I
Don't
Understand

Is everyone okay with Jackal?
Is everyone okay with me using my Vig-shot like this day-one?

Use your shot whenever you feel appropriate.

Is he active in other games or something?

Well yes he was active in another game, but it went into night phase like... Yesterday.

[vonflare]

Welcome titus, I'm wgeurts and these are town:
Boon
Death

Explain these plz.

Explain how boon is town! He has contributed NOTHING other than soft claiming hammerer/sadist.

[vonflare]

I'll be V/LA for a little while.

SORRY

[vonflare]

ok, if thats what popular opinion dictates.

VOTE: jackel

dont misuse my vote.

[vonflare]

ok what is jackel talking about

is he a tracker, hacker, or cop?

[vonflare]

ok what is jackel talking about

is he a tracker, hacker, or cop?

oh wait nvm wrong game

[vonflare]

Hello.

Um. i havent been keeping up with this game over my V/LA.

I think il vote for brantz becuase its a wagon. im sure theres reasons going on here.

VOTE: BRantz

[vonflare]

Im reluctant to lynch a lurker, and ive only read this page, but I hear no-lynch is bad, so

VOTE: perigreneV

sorry

[vonflare]

only one kill?

did anyone roleblock anyone?

maybe everyone should hypoclaim roleblocker, and who they wouldve roleblocked if they were a RBer?

[vonflare]

OK I'm going to be catching up soon.

Sorry for my V/LA.

[vonflare]

I'm back!

[vonflare]

Let's talk. Granted, I can't guarantee immediate replies, but you can gab at me regardless. Bro, I'd like to talk to you, too. Talk to me about why your slot feels off. Is it just Capcom paranoia, or did I pick up something similar to Mollie's off play? I figure this should keep us busy until Ozgin shows up.

My slot feels off because wgeurts is doing most of the posting. Paranoia from Capcom is likely, although it's kind of funny you bring that up b/c I feel my play here in terms of attitude, posting cadence, intentionality, etc is the exact opposite as that game.

Excuses and self-meta

VOTE: oranje

[vonflare]

So he only votes lihin and jackel.

Point?

[vonflare]

Wait nvm I thought all the quotes were from one person.

[vonflare]

So he only votes lihin and jackel.

Point?

You are scummy as heck now, you're a literally just trying to find bloody reasons to join the others and vote me.
I'M FUCKING TOWN YOU IDIOTS.
CAN'T YOU SEE FROM POSTS LIKE THIS THAT I'M BEING SETUP FOR A LYNCH?

I don't understand.

Why are you pointing out these votes? Sorry if it's obvious, I just don't get it.

[vonflare]

So he only votes lihin and jackel.

Point?

You are scummy as heck now, you're a literally just trying to find bloody reasons to join the others and vote me.
I'M FUCKING TOWN YOU IDIOTS.
CAN'T YOU SEE FROM POSTS LIKE THIS THAT I'M BEING SETUP FOR A LYNCH?

I don't understand.

Why are you pointing out these votes? Sorry if it's obvious, I just don't get it.

You little weasel.
I'm getting all the votes of those who were on the Lihin and Jackal wagons. I'm going to look who just sheeped and who actually has justified reasoning for doing so, scum wan't to get onto wagons as quickly as possible drawing as little attention as possible so I'm looking for posts that fit that motivation.
But: You are now trying to recover from your mistake, I may have changed after vote analysis however this second post is just proving that you slipped and are trying to recover. You wanted to position yourself against me however realised afterwards that you had made a mistake, now you attempt to change the meaning of what you said.

no

i didnt realize lihin was dead.

[vonflare]

I'd rather lynch Oranje but I'm ok with this. I'm keep my vote on BBMolla because we shoud trigger it.

Stupid like this shouldn't be allowed to play mafia

Yeahhhhh

Narninians statement is self-contradictory at best. Vote oranje if you want him lynched, then when we're sure he's getting killed we can organize molla's ability.

[vonflare]

I'm boy lunching either of them

[vonflare]

Trigger molla today is the best choice

This.
It makes sense to do it today.

Trigger molla today is the best choice

This.
It makes sense to do it today.

Change of heart?

Spoiler:

I'd rather lynch Oranje but I'm ok with this. I'm keep my vote on BBMolla because we shoud trigger it.

Stupid like this shouldn't be allowed to play mafia

[

You're a dumbass too.

The reason Narnian's post was dumb is that we should neither be lynch a confirmable role nor should we be activating BB's ability this early.

It's optimal to activate Molla's ability when there are the most conftown or highly-likely town PR claims in play. His ability becomes more powerful the longer we wait.

VOTE: oranje

Anyone who isn't voting for this blatant self-contradiction is, well, oranjes scumbuddies.

Oranje explain yourself

[vonflare]

That was me (wgeurts) posting, BRO disagrees with me on this matter.
However Vonflare is now obviously scum for his eagerness to pounce on these things.

YeahNo

[vonflare]

Wow PV is out of touch a bit. I wasn't really seriously posting yesterday after "the incident" and vonflare was a lump in the background before that. I haven't decided if he just lacks common sense or if he's scum. When I do decide, you'll know. K?

:P

[vonflare]

Clears what up?

[vonflare]

Hey sorry, but im going to have to request replacement.

I'm really busy currently.

Again, sorry!

[vonflare]

ok then

[vonflare]

how about asking me what a rennovator is?

[vonflare]

im pretty sure im allowed to post, rite?

[vonflare]

[quote] ...Twilight will last for 24 hours from the hammer vote. During this time, you may continue to post...[/quote]

kk

[vonflare]

I rennovate peoples houses, making them stay there forever, treestumping them and making them win.

I used it on myself night 1. I WIN

[vonflare]

Well it was just me an vyse, so gg!

Also BRantz is an SK.

[vonflare]

#WifomIsWifom

[vonflare]

I hope the 'nuked from orbit' anonomous dayvig guy wins. WHATEVER YOUR FACTION BE, I WISH YOU GOOD FORTUNE

[vonflare]

What was Vyse's role?

He was a Mafia Evangelist. He recruited people to a mafia-aligned cult that didnt know who recruited them. He used it on BBmolla N1. It gives the recruits a 3-shot scuicide-bomb, so get ready for that.

[vonflare]

In addition, I was informed that Narninian is the Mafia Traitor.

[vonflare]

3 shot suicide bomb.

So they need protection to live past the first shot :p

:p

[vonflare]

Im sorry i had to leave, I was in too many games with too many players and it was starting to conflict with my schoolwork. No hard feelings, okay?

[vonflare]

I'll be watching this game though...

Also, I signed up pretty much just becuase of the poem in the signup thread.

There once were two young moderators
Who grew bored of the same old debaters
They sought satisfaction
In games with night actions
But found those to not be placaters

They pondered their plight for an hour
Until they began to turn dour
"I'll just make a mini,"
One said like a ninny,
"Without true regard for role power."

There then was a moment of quiet
As he dreaded his old modding diet
But the other one said,
"Fuse two minis instead!
What's the worst that could happen, let's try it."

So the two of them worked for a fortnight
'Til each of their setups were just right
They forced them together
With hope for the better
And prayers that the swing would be slight.

lol

[vonflare]

What was Vyse's role?

He was a Mafia Evangelist. He recruited people to a mafia-aligned cult that didnt know who recruited them. He used it on BBmolla N1. It gives the recruits a 3-shot scuicide-bomb, so get ready for that.

In addition, I was informed that Narninian is the Mafia Traitor.

Suuuuure, very believable

What if that's what I want you to think

[vonflare]

Alright I'll say my role. It's basically a 1-shot tailor. I'm not telling you who I framed/lawyered.

[vonflare]

Alright I'll say my role. It's basically a 1-shot tailor. I'm not telling you who I framed/lawyered.

To clarify, renovator. I meant PERMENENT tailor.

[vonflare]

Have you folks stopped to think that BBM's role places him in the highly vulnerable position of allowing scum to derphammer him in the case both wagons reach anything close to L-1?

Be fucking smart about how you run that wagon up.

Please continue to whiteknight the suicide bomber.

[vonflare]

bullshittery

lol

[vonflare]

Vonflare you owe it to the town for not having the decency to make your reads clear

You owe it to your scum team for lurkaderping to the gallows


You owe this game your scum suspects, God dammit. Give us what you owe us. You have a better chance of winning if you help us find the other anti town players. Don't rely on your partner to do it for you. Tell us anything you can, you don't have to incriminate anyone.

We just want to win. Same as you do. We both want Berlin Underground and werewolf to die. Only difference is i also want volcano to die

Do the right thing. Help us help you. The enemy of your enemy isn't your friend, but in this case we can find your enemies.

I'm not giving any reads will be subject to wifom and therefore dicounted.

Also I have no reads because I've been gone from this game.

Also sorry elusive for disappointing you.

[vonflare]

House, are there any night results or anything at all that you want to share or reiterate?

vonflare, scumboi...why are you always so scummy? How many other people from your team are inactive brats who couldn't take the heat?

Also, did you team get any of the mafia at all?

Nuking from orbit is some sort of scum or sk day vig role? It can't be night activated or why would they choose House and why would it happen right as mafia is killed? Its happened more then once which is why Lucian needs to explain why his is one-shot. Lucian, I'm on to you.

More thoughts later tonight, but yeah re checking my ISOs of Vyse and Vonflare because those two co-defended and there might be more where that came from. If some other town could ISO the people I haven't done that would be awesome so we can narrow it down.

I dunno if we got any mafia. I'll tell you something, and it's true, but only because I think it will help me.

I apologize if this is playing against my wincon, but I genuinely feel it will help.

I have reason to believe bulbasour commonwealth is a Serial Killer, based on Vysepresidents action N1. I'll explain more postgame, it's kind of confusing. I was going to post the whole explanation why, (I had it typed into the box and erased it), but I felt that that was toeing the line on a few rules. It was weird.

[vonflare]

Vonflare you have no reason to wifom if you're scumhunting the other teams

You have nothing to lose and only gain
I'm trying to be nice about this, so pretty please with sugar on top, who is the other fucking scums?

Pedit: if your team took a shot at him or role copped him, you can tell us without incriminating any remaining partners

I don't know if posting the reason is against some rule. Maybe I should ask the mod?

[vonflare]

I feel like it's against some rule.

[vonflare]

Mmmmmmm

I typed it in and then erased it.

Bulbs I think is an SK though. Vyse used an ACTION on him. The action gave a really, REALLY weird result. No more info. I'll explain postgame.

[vonflare]

Ok one more question

Is it impossible for your faction (or another scum team) to kill them?

Is this something you need the town to do?

Anything that whittles down the number of anti-town deaths is something I'm willing to push

Just believe me when I tell you that bulbs is either SK or some really, REALLY weird-ace role.

[vonflare]

Yes. It says that if the mentor/mentee win, all the living volcano Mafiosi also win.

[vonflare]

Obvious lie is obvious. ^_^

[vonflare]

Do you ever roll town, vonflare?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5651625

[vonflare]

Do you ever roll town, vonflare?

But being scum is fun!

[vonflare]

Vomflare

Yes or no: do you have reason to believe strongly that BC is not a reflexive roleblocker


Ie, did vyse action successfully on them?

I have a strong reason to believe that bulb is not a reflexive roleblocker.

[vonflare]

Reflexive Jailkeeper*
I've called BC ref. RB before lol.

@BC
Can't correctly make up a role PM when I have never seen a non-town one in this game to know how the NK is worded, etc.

He's a reflexive jail keeper? That's impossible, vyse targeted him the night he died.

He's lying.

[vonflare]

Vonflare


Was it n1 or n2?

The town needs to know and you need to be absolutely sure

Again unless you were the last scum on your team, you need the town right now to help your wincon

I am 100% certain that vyse targeted bulb the night he died, night 2.

[vonflare]

Ok.

basically the moderator made an error, vyse shouldn't have died. We were compensated with a 1-shot rolecop. :/

Our faction was screwed.

Kthxbai

[vonflare]

Ok.

basically the moderator made an error, vyse shouldn't have died. We were compensated with a 1-shot rolecop. :/

Our faction was screwed.

Kthxbai

Cerb ... vonflare is WiFoM trolling the shit out of the thread.

My above post is true.

[vonflare]

Ok.

basically the moderator made an error, vyse shouldn't have died. We were compensated with a 1-shot rolecop. :/

Our faction was screwed.

Kthxbai

This post is true the rest it trolling.

[vonflare]

Ebwop: the rest *is* trolling

[vonflare]

Also our kill flavour is not incinerated. But I might be lying about that.

[vonflare]

Ok.

basically the moderator made an error, vyse shouldn't have died. We were compensated with a 1-shot rolecop. :/

Our faction was screwed.

Kthxbai

This post is true the rest it trolling.

ok obviously good cop doesn't work

lemme try bad cop


TELL ME WHAT YOU FUCKING KNOW OR I'LL STEAL YOUR SOUL, EAT IT, SHIT IT OUT AND PUT IT BACK IN YOU

I'm telling the truth.

[vonflare]

I'm telling the truth.

AND WHO ARE THE OTHER SCUM TEAM MEMBERS

TELL ME AND MAYBE I WILL SPARE THEM THE FURY OF MY BALLS

or spare your partner the fury of my balls


whatever


you know what i meant

WHAT WAS YOUR ROLECOP RESULT GOD DAMMIT

it was roleblocked. not joking.

[vonflare]

So vyse targeted Bulb so should have been protected

i know. but the mod made an error and flipped vyse. After the fact, we were compensated with a 1-shot roleblock.

[vonflare]

Umm. So until the last post by Vonflare, I believed him. 1 shot rolecop could not have been roleblocked, because Vyse died last night, so either you haven't had the chsnce to use said rolecop, or if you did, we have a day roleblocker? And if we have such a thing, why wouldn't they have used it on Brantz to stop his D2 commute and make us all suspect him? Limited use? Yeah, so, not buying it anymore.

We havent used it yet.

[vonflare]

But watevs. postgame it shall be revealed.

[vonflare]

basically the moderator made an error, vyse shouldn't have died. We were compensated with a 1-shot rolecop. :/

i know. but the mod made an error and flipped vyse. After the fact, we were compensated with a 1-shot roleblock.

roleCOP.


which is it?

So Vyse targeted Bulba, and was killed by mod mistake? Is that what you're saying?

yes. at least, i think thats what happened

[vonflare]

Sorry messed up the quote tags.

its roleCOP.

[vonflare]

So, ignoring von: I think targeting BC is a terrible play, as is announcing said intention to target BC.

im telling the truth. just letting you know.

[vonflare]

vonflare said incinerate isn't their kill flavour.
Then it means Berlin was more afraid of Vyse than Ozgin, who is a conftown faction investigator basically an omnicop. Not to mention Ozgin already outed a Berlin member.
REALLY? Vyse was like the lowest hanging fruit nobody had any reason to shoot him over a town omnicop who killed your buddy?
If your faction has the immediate NK the other faction has the delayed kill. Then you, as the immediate NK faction, kill the omnicop because delayed kill could still out a scum from your faction.

Vyse did something silly and got himself killed instead. vonflare is so bad at trolling it's becoming actually entertaining.

I'm not trolling anymore.

[vonflare]

Yeah, a claimed cop outs my buddy and gets him shot in plain daylight, and I'm going to kill a random Vyse.
I think there is a pending Chicken Sexer claim, because Berlin is clearly made up of chickens according to vonflare.

Your refusal to believe me confuses me.

What do I stand to gain by making this up?

[vonflare]

Ok

Well there's less than 3 hours left so if you want to ask me any qs please do. I'll answer honestly, unless I don't want to.

[vonflare]

26 players.

I hope there's a lot of nightkills....

This is amusing in reflection.

Huehuehue

[vonflare]

why

are we still listening

to flipped scum

why

This is scum gunning for town points.

[vonflare]

Yeah in DOA Vonflare lied to me about his role even though he was lynched so I had false hope. Vonbaby why are you so cruel?

How many people are in your team?

What's your favorite tropical thing?

Who is on the Berlin mafia or SK?

House please do last reads and any other info you have such as confirmed town please, thanks.

Well there's me vyse and you

Toon based on his last post
Also bulb because we can't NK him

House was pretty town based on his flip. I have no confirmed town other than myself.

[vonflare]

Oh and my favourite tropical thing is the ocean water for swimming in.
Yeah. I went to a beach. More than once.

[vonflare]

ok let me try

vonflare, why didnt you kill ozgin/house?

I left the game remember?

[vonflare]

ok let me try

vonflare, why didnt you kill ozgin/house?

I left the game remember?

IGNORE THIS POST

[vonflare]

Next question please.

[vonflare]

BTW everyone who was against talking to me is probably scum.

My money's on toon.

[vonflare]

So you're both scum

[vonflare]

No YOU are the scum. Don't forget it.

vonflare, how does a 1-shot rolecop make up for a dead partner?

ASK THE MOD BECUASE I HAVE LITTERALLY NO IDEA ASDFASFDFJADSD

[vonflare]

let me try this one last time

vonflare, why shouldn't vyse be dead? does that mean you believe BC's claim or not?

Because the mod told us that they had made an error detrimental to our faction.

The day after which vyse had died.

And gave us a free rolecop. And vyse was a rolecop.

And vyse targeted Bulb

and incinerated is not our kill flavour.

So i assumed that, if bulb is telling the truth, vyse shouldve been protected, but he died.

[vonflare]

Why was Vyse flip concealed?

I'm not telling you

[vonflare]

Why was Vyse flip concealed?

I'm not telling you

Well, thanks for helping town to some extent. Not sure why you bothered.

Meh I'm just kinda upset over the vyse thing and wanted to tell someone.

Also pretty sure toon is scum.

[vonflare]

There's 10 mins left in twilight so last call.

[vonflare]

Ask now or forever hold your silence.

[vonflare]

you are really enjoying this aren't you?

Meh.

A lot of what I said was true, and just as much was false.

The mod error part was true, I'm sad to say.

It's pretty fun to be dead scum in extended twilight tho.

GOVERNOR, saaaaaayve meeeeeeee

[vonflare]

I'm saulus. If you save me I become town.

[vonflare]

^ false BTW ^

[vonflare]

Wow.

Ok, well played molla, plot and bulb.

I thought it was fun.

Bye.

[vonflare]

Thoroughly enjoyed game posts 5363 - 5540

[vonflare]

I enjoyed the game, for the most part. It was fun cheering BBmolla on at the endish.

We prob could have won if vyse hadn't died, but that's because our faction was blatantly more powerful than the other scum factions.

All in all an interesting concept and interesting game, but it could have been rules-lawyered a bit better (traitor vs townie endgame) (force-replace at deadline) (what happens when you accidentally flip living scum)

[vonflare]

/cheese

[vonflare]

*wassup