White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Psyche]

woo

[Psyche]

woo

[Psyche]

i can't tell if that's sexual or violent wordplay

[Psyche]

woo

[Psyche]

I feel left out!

[Psyche]

Don't tell me what to do!

[Psyche]

...why should I join the ika wagon?

[Psyche]

yknow
i've never played a game with ika where he wasn't lynched

[Psyche]

Are you usually this terse?

[Psyche]

Is there a point to that question?

yes please hurry

[Psyche]

I found the perfect Song Contest entry! I can't believe it hasn't been used yet!

[Psyche]

You and I are gonna butt heads!

[Psyche]

i didn't know CES reads the speakeasy!
i'm going to have to add that to my elaborate set of notes that I've amassed on every single player in this game

VOTE: BBT

too terse!
what are you trying to hide??

[Psyche]

qq bbt
qq

[Psyche]

so are you or are you not?

[Psyche]

Damn it, BBT.

[Psyche]

why was it purposefully vague?

[Psyche]

VOTE: BBT

too terse!
what are you trying to hide??

Since when is this a scum tell?

in our exchange
you seemed guarded
and not really interested in figuring me out

qq bbt
qq

I don't know what this means.

:cry:

[Psyche]

gasp

[Psyche]

Why do you think I said, "I feel left out"? Do you think I was trying to make you guys think I was lonely?

[Psyche]

I've never played a game with ika where he wasn't killed night 1.

Reallly?

Funny, that's exactly what I think about you.

Is it, though?

I guess I should have looked at BBT's meta before calling him terse.

[Psyche]

the meta changes nothing

i understand the virtue of Llamarble and CES's early game procedure
but at the moment it all seems rather mechanical
there's nothing to read in it

tth is more town than scum for following up on my gasp

ika is so ika and i'm very unhappy about that but ambivalent about the thing that matters

aero, oversoul, zach are all in the same bunch in my head
reg and elk in another
llamarble and ces in a third

someone will ask what the bunches mean!
please know that i'm not sure
none are quite town or scumreads, though

[Psyche]

null isn't the same as nothing mr salty

[Psyche]

is that what you do every game ika

[Psyche]

that was definitely my most tenuous clump and i am impressed that you noticed it

[Psyche]

i tried explaining it but i think i will just reiterate that it's pretty esoteric to me
i'm not saying that they're in the same team or anything
they just have the same place in my head when i think about them and this game

You're impressed that I read your post? :S

you know a little less about what the clumps mean than i do but we both homed in on the same tension

i really do apologize for making the clumps now though it's pretty close to meaningless

[Psyche]

i don't really understand what you mean by that llama

[Psyche]

i don't really understand what you mean by that llama

Town usually go depth-first and put some time into analyzing one player, then another. Scum focus on understanding the game as a whole so they can make sure the day doesn't head down a path that will hurt them.

that's pretty close to my first guess
but i'm not the first person in the game to take a panorama shot
so i thought there was more to it

[Psyche]

oh hey
the exclamation points are gone

[Psyche]

I think I'm out of mania :(

[Psyche]

it's an off-site thing
the ones who trek from there to here: they are the true zealots
and we're some mix of the holy mecca and the emerald city

[Psyche]

putting me with you is pretty unconventional
in one sense, i like it!

[Psyche]

bbt is reforming himself a little, but brushing me off and doing that is just common sense
his explanation that he was more interested in trying to get me to join the ika wagon when he voted me comes off as less a defense than an example of my problem with our interaction: the ika was a lolwagon, designed purely to make it easy to figure out who's scum; treating it as an end in itself is just strange

[Psyche]

You are welcome to self-vote.

Where are Regfan and CES?

That is an odd response

And?

It was purposefully vague. Why were you snark with the original answer?

again
why was it purposefully vague?

[Psyche]

cheery dog said that he used a scum token
also, the idea that anyone is letting tokens surpass scumhunting is a strawman

[Psyche]

136

[Psyche]

136 refers to a post number

[Psyche]

Show me scum hunting from that post that relates to those reads I just gave.

you are playing dumb now

[Psyche]

It's a stupid question. 136 is all scum-hunting. It's a direct counterexample to your claim.

[Psyche]

dear god

[Psyche]

I've admittedly been a little more manipulative this game than usual, but I there's anymore benefit to be had from that.
Felt weird voting Psyche for the sake of doing something while I waited for CD to post. Patience is hard.

TOWN:
Llamarble

Regfan - He hasn't really done anything yet but 2 town tokens :doubles: his chance of being town.
Zach - I expect at least one token from him as well. Town are more likely to see their targets as 'squirming.'

BBT - Confidence, readiness to change direction. #84 particularly solid.
ika - Attitude, 'Elk is prob scum for calling me town.'

Oversoul - Followed a reasonable path so far.
TTH - 81, 135 are both moves in the right direction.

CES - 44 & 128 are solid but within scumrange.
Psyche - Pretty much content-free.
Elk - Kinda has the figuring out the game tone but he hasn't really bitten in, works with Cheery, and mostly speaks in generalities.
Ankamius - All he's provided is a low-relevance vote.
Aeronaut - seemed kinda town on a previous readthrough but works just fine as scum.

Cheery Dog - A scum token makes you twice as likely to be scum as a random person. This is sufficient to lynch barring impressive play I haven't seen yet. I don't think CD realized how strong the tokens are.
:SCUM

VOTE: Cheery Dog

I'm kind of tired so I may have derped some of these, but this is round 0.5 I guess.

see lines mentioning players of interest

[Psyche]

the meta changes nothing

i understand the virtue of Llamarble and CES's early game procedure
but at the moment it all seems rather mechanical
there's nothing to read in it

tth is more town than scum for following up on my gasp

ika is so ika and i'm very unhappy about that but ambivalent about the thing that matters

aero, oversoul, zach are all in the same bunch in my head
reg and elk in another
llamarble and ces in a third

someone will ask what the bunches mean!
please know that i'm not sure
none are quite town or scumreads, though

Honestly the way you're processing the game sounds like scum figuring out what everyone is doing so they can decide how to play rather than town figuring out who is scum.

VOTE: Psyche

Elk, what is your opinion of Cheery Dog? Also, why would an analysis of the votes for ika take a long time? There are like 100 posts in this thread and only 4 votes for ika.

'Marble, why aren't you voting Cheery Dog? You must know this Psyche-thing is kind of weak given that he's being perfectly open about it.

Nacho assigns Cheery Dog some townpoints for admitting he took a scum token. I'd like to hear more from CD.
Who are Cheery's buddies?

Maybe he didn't understand how hard it's going to be for us to justify lynching anyone other than him today with this information in play.
Maybe he was concerned people wouldn't believe him if he didn't claim his token and wanted to get in front of the problem, hoping to be townread for doing so.
Cheery Dog is currently ~twice as likely as any other player in this game to be scum. He better do some impressive things if he doesn't want to die.

yknow
i've never played a game with ika where he wasn't lynched

I've never played a game with ika where he wasn't killed night 1.

Regfan has some townpoints for token-reasons, but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet.

I have no objections to BBT so far.

But is he always dunk?

Ika is scum with Cheery Dog. Doesn't matter who the third one is. Zach Oversoul Psyche can be town.

This seems like good reads for now.

VOTE: ika

This seems inattentive. How come a list including you-scum is good?

"Cheery may have used a scum token"

I'll solve this question for you, I did attempt to use a scum token, still rolled town.

What do you think you'd have said regarding this had you rolled scum?

You are welcome to self-vote.

Where are Regfan and CES?

That is an odd response

And?

why not just reiterate llama's entire iso?
your strawman is a strawman

[Psyche]

see 172 for more
control+f regfan

[Psyche]

You're being really dense

[Psyche]

okay i will handle the spoon with more care

i say that the idea that anyone is letting tokens surpass scumhunting is a strawman
you say no

let's just look at regfan

Regfan - He hasn't really done anything yet but 2 town tokens :doubles: his chance of being town.

Regfan has some townpoints for token-reasons, but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet

Where are Regfan and CES?

if you mean to say that this reads to you as someone who is not really scumhunting because regfan has two tokens,
or someone who is throwing out their reads because "oh hey two tokens",
all opposed to someone who is taking the two tokens into account when they make their reads,
i don't know if i believe you?

[Psyche]

okay so maybe i do believe you?

[Psyche]

it's not about you, regfan

[Psyche]

and BBT is now opting to overlook the flaw in his lame llama push
he concertedly asks for my opinion over a dozen posts
and then doesn't pay any attention once i've offered it with the amount of detail he's been hungry for

Why do you think I said, "I feel left out"? Do you think I was trying to make you guys think I was lonely?

oy tth
you missed my q

also oversoul

[Psyche]

I'm just minding my own business :(

[Psyche]

unvote

Fine, whatever.

[Psyche]

I'm going to

vote cheery

but it's only because I need to rethink stuff.

[Psyche]

do you wanna fight

[Psyche]

what will it take for me to be taken seriously as a serious person?

[Psyche]

i really can't understand his stubbornness on that "people are letting tokens surpass scumhunting bit"

[Psyche]

but here's what i really can't understand

he pushes for a detailed answer several times to this question:
"Show me the scum-hunting."
"Show me scum-hunting that relates to those reads."
"Show me scum hunting from that post that relates to those reads I just gave."
"You said I was strawmanning. I asked you to show me where the scum-hunting was that lead to those reads. So, show me."
"Show me the scum-hunting that relates to those reads. Stop dodging."
"Now, show me the scum hunting, not token speculation, scum hunting that lends itself to this read on Regfan."

I count 6. But there's no sign in his iso that he really cared about my answer.

He states that he's going to ignore me for the time being because I've frustrated him. But in the same post as that statement, he asks why I've unvoted.

it looked to me like he was just using the specter of frustration to avoid a discussion about his reads
but I'm just babbling incoherent nonsense don't mind me
since i'm an idiot i'll just focus on wagoning with the right smart people

[Psyche]

okay i will handle the spoon with more care

i say that the idea that anyone is letting tokens surpass scumhunting is a strawman
you say no

let's just look at regfan

Regfan - He hasn't really done anything yet but 2 town tokens :doubles: his chance of being town.

Regfan has some townpoints for token-reasons, but neither Regfan nor CES has towned very hard yet

Where are Regfan and CES?

if you mean to say that this reads to you as someone who is not really scumhunting because regfan has two tokens,
or someone who is throwing out their reads because "oh hey two tokens",
all opposed to someone who is taking the two tokens into account when they make their reads,
i don't know if i believe you?

[Psyche]

what do you think scumhunting is?

[Psyche]

can i have some homework too prof bbt

[Psyche]

Oh, Fate.

[Psyche]

unvote

I can do better than cheery

[Psyche]

i'm going to be relatively unavailable over the next couple of days so that i can revolutionize the study of randomness perception and remember why i like mafia,
but i'll still be skimming posts

[Psyche]

I hold my posts in this game to a higher standard.

[Psyche]

Are you telling me to wagon Aero

[Psyche]

ill be available tonight!

[Psyche]

I'm town.
Just a bit busy for a smidge while longer.

[Psyche]

I'm not going to hammer someone I don't have a read on. Sorry! Tonight!

[Psyche]

A dozen times? Gosh. I feel sort of guilty now.

[Psyche]

I'll probably end up hammering just because I trust you guys.
But only if he turns out to be a null or scumread.

[Psyche]

I don't have time to do the analysis I planned.
But I'll VOTE: Aero I guess.

[Psyche]

If the Aero wagon's not done by the time I'm free again, you can still expect something later from me before the Day's end!

[Psyche]

unvote

hehehe

[Psyche]

easier said than done bud

[Psyche]

My teammates say I should vote for Aero again just because of the people on his wagon.

[Psyche]

should i do it
should i do it
should i do it

[Psyche]

i was going to do something instead that would have been cool

[Psyche]

my team is rather useless at the moment
they thought it was safe to vote aero because the others voting him seemed legit

[Psyche]

I don't think they put much thought into it. So probably the latter.
I really wonder how other people's teammates manage to keep up with so many games simultaneously!

[Psyche]

I've achieved loads in MD. I've done a few substantive studies, for instance.
But the bigger things I've promised take

time

and knowhow and MD posts that I still need more of before the magic can happen.

I'm certainly not glad to be inactive right now; I'm simply finding it hard to juggle all of my current obligations. Encouragement yesterday to just vote Aero because ??? plus the various meanspirited put-downs (which inclined me to revenge-troll) sort of held me down, but I don't intend to be as difficult this Day. But still not today, sorry.

[Psyche]

I feel guilty for not studying the mind with the singlemindedness that I used to.

[Psyche]

that's not true
and i'll be around soon promise

[Psyche]

I'M JUST SO USELESS AGHHH

[Psyche]

DO YOU THINK I LIKE THIS?
DO YOU THINK I LIKE NOT HAVING THE TIME TO REALLY PLAY THIS GAME I CHOSE TO JOIN?

[Psyche]

I guess I have to replace out.

[Psyche]

my scum meta is in fact to kick ass and take names

[Psyche]

my scum meta is in fact to kick ass and take names

So, that's kicing your own arse and then taking your name?

I know you think this response sounds clever, but it's not.

[Psyche]

I really want to play this game. I really do. I finally have a lot of everything figured out. I have my confidence!
And it always keeps looking as if I only need one more day before I'm free again. I don't feel like just throwing this chance away...

[Psyche]

My team is working on a replacement. If I become free beforehand, then you'll be seeing more of me.
I do apologize for the trouble of having me in your game while I'm like this. I don't complain about it here in order to keep from being lynched (I just don't think me getting lynched is very likely), but with hope that you'll be understanding about all of this when everything is said and done. The story of Psyche is more than a story of lurking.

[Psyche]

LIBRE

[Psyche]

so just move on and let them have their sour grapes.

can't i have my sour grapes about their sour grapes

[Psyche]

how does that legitimize people disliking us for winning if it's perfectly okay for people to do the same thing converse

[Psyche]

it's really not a big deal wgeurts :]

[Psyche]

Giving people more reason to dislike you, the players.

oh i can't care much about that