White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[Aeronaut]

Greetings from planet Earth!

VOTE: Ika

[Aeronaut]

I loled

[Aeronaut]

Ika you're always drunk

[Aeronaut]

Hm... I can't tell which one is scummy; Coming right in the thread and immediately wanting to talk about tokens, or being reserved and not wanting to talk about tokens.

I feel like it's the latter. The people who don't want to talk about it might feel that way because we could reasonably figure it out if we delved into it took much.

[Aeronaut]

That's going to be the gyst of every psyche post. Most of them will be incomprehensible

[Aeronaut]

So guys, how does ika have 4 votes already? Like he's kinda not saying much of anything useful, but I don't see anything abysmal in his posts either, it feels more like "pre-game banter" from a player who doesn't have reads yet.

I'm keeping a moderately suspicious eye on this wagon.

What's wrong with a wagon?

[Aeronaut]

VOTE: Elk

Serious Vote.

[Aeronaut]

Does anyone else feel like Elk is one of those reddit bots that show up and give you game theory

[Aeronaut]

Yea but why even say that if he were scum though?

Too much WIFOM to really call it alignment indicitive, I think.

[Aeronaut]

Psyche and BBT, your back and forth isn't helping at all, the both of you two are just repeating the same things over and over and not actually going anywhere and don't find either of your arguments particularly useful in determining alignment. Would prefer you both drop it and discuss your own reads elsewhere right now.

Cheery, will settle with an explanation for either of the two town reads you've stated, don't care if it's based on weak shitty reasoning, just want to hear it.

It all just felt relevant. I also think I've probably grown a bit less concise over the course of the last year or so.

Fair enough, any of the town reads of mine you disagreeing with at all?

Also worth stating that my team thinks that Aeroaut fits "Wallflower scum" in that his posts his posts really just leave him in the background but don't think he makes sense with Elk as scum since don't think he'd buss D1 in this setup and more confident on Elk being scum here, want to know what you think of the two of them individually / as potential partners at the moment cause that's kind of messing up our reads a little right now.

I just need to settle in more, really. Haven't played with the majority of the PL.

Open challenge to everyone: Justify a town read on Psyche.

You cannot use "he posts a lot" or any variation thereof.

Go.

IIRC, Psyche doesn't have much of a difference between his scum and town game. I wouldn't really call him town right now, though.

VOTE: Theelkspeaks

Explain this vote.

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

VOTE: Psyche

Do you have any sort of reaction to your wagon?

So guys, how does ika have 4 votes already? Like he's kinda not saying much of anything useful, but I don't see anything abysmal in his posts either, it feels more like "pre-game banter" from a player who doesn't have reads yet.

I'm keeping a moderately suspicious eye on this wagon.

This is definitely questionable but it is hard to separate n00b flavor from scum flavor.

Elk, what is your opinion of Cheery Dog? Also, why would an analysis of the votes for ika take a long time? There are like 100 posts in this thread and only 4 votes for ika.

Getting to Cheery in a second, but the problem with the ika votes is that none of them look especially bad to me, so I'm considering the ika-voting players more closely and trying to get more to read them on.

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

VOTE: Psyche

Mostly because TTH is my strongest townread and while struggling to find scum so far, I can back the scumread of my strongest townread with a vote.

All three of these actually sound kinda town

They really don't. They look very manufactured to me, and you should see that too.

[Aeronaut]

BBT tell me why elk is not any less scummy then phyce cus phyce is hard town to me right now and i have seen 0 scum hunting from elk so i find your reasoning to be flawed

What makes Psyche hard town?

Starting to get giddy feelings about Cheery + Ank + Aero scumteam. RAWR! Certainly I don't mind the three of them posting in a row after some worried discussion in their QT.
If the plan is to attempt a lynch on me before I cause too much damage, I almost want to link some of my past games to show you where that leads, but I'll settle for laughing evilly to myself.
I really don't think you'll even get a chance to start though - I'm expecting a Regfan post declaring me irreversibly confirmed town anytime now.

Hey Aero why don't you tell me about how Elk manufactured this:

*is sad about the replacement*

The replacement occurred after my teammate copper told me to say hi to TTH and that he expects TTH is town and can carry the game.

The *is sad about replacement* bit is actually what bothers me. It's sort of a guttish feeling, but idk I don't feel like he's quite with us there.

IIRC, my elk scum-read was quite early. Wouldn't attach much weight to it.

Yeah, you see Oversoul and Zach on that wagon? Plus Aeronaut who is doing pretty much nothing? Wagon is ugly. His wagon also started picking up momentum quite quickly which is usually a sign the wagon is on town.

I agreed with it...I thought TTH was fairly obvious town. It's an even stronger read now that Anti has replaced into that slot.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Zach

Not liking this switch off of your vote there. It's like you're trying to negate the scumread you had previously of him so that you can townread him later on.


I actually feel like there's probably one scum within the Zach, BBT thing. That whole fight feels forced to me.

[Aeronaut]

Yea, to be clear, the next week or so are going to be RL-heavy for me, but I think I should at least be able to post a few times a day still. That's no excuse for the past few days though, so I apologize.

I actually feel like there's probably one scum within the Zach, BBT thing. That whole fight feels forced to me.

BBT touches on this above (We're both agreeing on something, the universe will explode) but this stance makes no sense whatsoever (Thinking something is SvS or TvT does make some sense but SvT doesn't) as it implies that one of them would be town in this conversation acting awkwardly making nothing stopping from both people being town. The whole "1 scum in X/Y" is something I see scum using a lot to a) Make it look like they're taking a stance at the moment while not really and b) Allows them to line-up reasoning to throw down a vote based on flips alone later (Especially in this setup). So explain why you think the whole fight is forced for me and why you think there's probably one scum in them as opposed to both being scum or both being town.

Uh yea, I actually don't know what the fuck I was talking about; if it were a fabricated fight, then the suspicion would fall under SvS.

I think it's because I have a history of trying to guess the scumteam and being very, very wrong. However, that whole interaction is something to keep in mind for later.

Cheery Dog, is your only scum read right now the one on elk?

Aeronaut, I'd still like you do ask Cabd how strong every player's scum game is, approximately.

On it.

My team still thinks Aeronaut fits wall-flower scum and that there isn't any real transition in his reads, just questions that try to make him seem contributive, Empires not as bothered as I am about the "Zach v BBT" is SvT saying it could just be bad play (and admittedly he's kind of right) but the real kicker is that he's been very active elsewhere on the site yet hasn't commented on this game despite there being a lot of content since - lack of popping in to comment on Elks super town post reads more like him waiting to see where people would head next. There's a little more to this too but I'll go into that later if needed.

Vote: Aeranaut

Honestly, what I do Day 1 is usually ask questions and try to inquire about different things, because until we see a flip, it's all speculative. Especially with daytalk, it's pretty probable that scum are voting for eachother/D1 bussing.

I'm home pretty much all day today, so I'll be taking a closer look at what's going on.

[Aeronaut]

I'm not quite ready to take the pressure off Elk just because he stopped showing up, either.

[Aeronaut]

Well, do you expect me to sit there as town and just get lynched?

no.

[Aeronaut]

There's like three.

[Aeronaut]

V/LA Until Wednesday

Dealing with a developing family crisis, as well as a shit case of flu. My team is aware. Sorry.

[Aeronaut]

Prod received.

Yea, I've been basically of zero help here, and it's really not my fault but I probably should have replaced out when the shit hit the fan. Either way, I'll be able to catch up tomorrow, as that will be the first day I'm home, at a computer.

Lynch me, don't lynch me, whatever, but I ask that you give me until tomorrow night so that I can give some actual reads so that I can be not ~completely~ useless for this game and my team. If you don't want to do that, whatever. I have a few gut reads from skimming through, but I cant really make any sort of real progress right now.

For I'm getting the impression that Regfan specifically is probably scum. Ika is town.

Will look into more people.