White Flag Mafia [TM2015] (Game Over)

[ika]

OK SO IM DUNK SO I SUGGEST A MASS ROELCALL

[ika]

Ika you're always drunk

FUCK YOU

(legit im not that drunk im just over exagerating it here)

[ika]

im fine with em as long as we lynch llamarble next

[ika]

You are welcome to self-vote.

Where are Regfan and CES?

That is an odd response

And?

yes but thats anti-wincon

so you want to tell me your role?

[ika]

im fine with em as long as we lynch llamarble next

Why are you not voting?

cus voting is overrated and hammers are about 10 times more fun and its obvoius elk is WKing me right now and is prob scum forit and theres prob one scum already on me

[ika]

83 - Ika, if you think scum is voting you, you should probably do something about that.

like what? i dont want to ruin slayers gambit (cus come on white flag is like the best place to try shit like that)

[ika]

1)You want me to tell you how to scum hunt?

2)I don't know what slayers gambit is.

1) i am though? its just that you dont see it yet

2) slayers gambit

[ika]

83 - Ika, if you think scum is voting you, you should probably do something about that.

like what? i dont want to ruin slayers gambit (cus come on white flag is like the best place to try shit like that)

Why would the set up lend itself to Slayer's gambit?

If i told you darling it would ruin the secret.

[ika]

ika, you kind of already subverted the gambit by saying it so let's not pretend there's some deep dark secret here, 'kay?

But there is TTH.

But lets be real here: whats your read list right now? cus im already disapoint form you

[ika]

hey elk, how about instead of pointless banter you give out a read list

[ika]

i love how elk ignored my post

[ika]

why have we not lynched ekk yet?

[ika]

cheery: top 3 scum reads and top 2 town reads with no reason

[ika]

BBT tell me why elk is not any less scummy then phyce cus phyce is hard town to me right now and i have seen 0 scum hunting from elk so i find your reasoning to be flawed

[ika]

cheery: what has ffery said about this game so far?

[ika]

ok so does soemone have a town case for elk or can we like lynch that slot with fire now?

cus im talking with GIF and the others and they see no reason for it to be town

[ika]

llarmable: what has ffery said about this game so far?

fixed (damn you GIF)

[ika]

ok im proxing GIF here:

@Anka, gif had an epiphany and thinks elk could be town and to sort llam is to just have ffery into game here as well

pedit: get her talking now

[ika]

llamarble, again get ffery into this game as well

[ika]

I want a better reason then "the voters" BBT

my town read on phyce comes from GIF and that so far i have yet to see him do his typical scum meta (and yes i know your stance on meta but you should know by now thats how i read a large portion of players)

also given he has been activly engading with you on what he says is scum hunting and you keep saying its not is showing effort wouldnt you agree? tbh from what i recall yoru argument for him being scum is that hes not scum hunting? he quoted many posts already so tell me how his quotes are not (and if its in iso just link me to post number im not going iso hunting)

[ika]

ok lets take this approach then cus truthfull i have been very lazy in this game and like ignoring everyone and just going with what GIF just told me.

do you find his trolling to be board VT or trolling scum?

cus truthfully someone else i have talked with (before this game entirely) has told how to read phyce

[ika]

I don't know. I'm struggling to read him, most of the time, he doesn't even make sense with what he posts.

I don't use meta. You know this.

I'll work him out. It'll just be through his interactions with other people instead of myself.

once final thing before i head to bed:

gun to the head whos the scum team? no reason added, just 3 names

[ika]

ok heres an idea for you older folks and aeveryone

who do you fear as scum the most and town the most and why

[ika]

hey BBT, you got something for me? you could know like answer my quesions?

(im glossing though cus i just got up)

[ika]

are we goning to wagon me again? can i finally do slayers gambit?

@bbt i dont see you backing up your accusation with avote there. afriad?

[ika]

maybe because llarm this game is stupid and that everyone is just circling dicussions abotu random crap that has no intrest to me....

i like how BBT is ignoring a player (titus) who has played 10 times more with me then he has way to be a teamamte

[ika]

so BBT when will you start listenign to others?

[ika]

It's probably for this Day to be over.

Vote: Aeronaut

Ika, Psyche, get it done.

get him in here and i will hammer

486 - The timing of this post (talking about how you might be wrong on Regfan) is pinging my scumdar pretty fucking hard. Making a note of it so it's in my ISO.

so BBT when will you start listenign to others?

When you show me that she has even the slightest chance of being right.

497 - I don't get this Regfan. I wouldn't say ika has drawn a whole lot of focus towards himself with how he has played so far, would you? I'd say he's pretty much coasted the whole day, providing nothing and doing nothing.

Further, you say he'd be more content to lurk in the background. That's exactly how I see his play so far; lurking in the background.

Not sure what game you're playing...

@titus part: we have played over 3 different sites. at least so i would nt take it for a grain of salt

497 - acutaly i have, you jsut dont see it. so you gonna vote me yet? i need to do slayers gambit and i cant if nobody votes

[ika]

VOTE: areonaut

more talk tommorow. lets move on with the game you gusy bore me. we can spec about nk tommorow

[ika]

motherfucker....

UNVOTE:

i will be back tonight after work to get hammer

[ika]

VOTE: areonaut

more talk tommorow. lets move on with the game you gusy bore me. we can spec about nk tommorow

You want everyone to go through useless crap tomorrow? Unless you're being weird with your kill, what is will there be to speculate on?

"So and so was kilted because scum though they were a vanilla townie"

its more of the /why/ they killed.

i mean if they want to play a ballsy game they could jsut forgo the NK (and hoenstly i would be so amused by the suboptimal play i would laugh so fcukign hard)

[ika]

good, good my plan will soon come to furtition

[ika]

next i need an opertunsict vote hopper so i can come out and scream at them and do a massive OMGUS flail vote and then get about 3 more random-ass votes and then scream everyone is scum

pedit: ehhh, thats debatable. like if we have 6 votes on me im not going to self hammer (barring deadline) im just going to scream a bunch and go trollololololool

[ika]

phyce vote we need to have a hammer

[ika]

can we like have hammer time. my urge to regress into spammy!ika mode is starting to dwell on me

[ika]

Llamarble, why is ika not in your lynch pool?

BBT why you ignore titus?
why you so ego driven?
why me scummy?
why?
what is love?
who?
whos me scum buddies?
did i tell you im really a 3rd party warewolf? and that this game ia lie?

[ika]

oh man my troll/spam post mood is going up

ehuhuhuhuhuhuhuh

does anoyne here have mollie on their teeam? i noticed she repalced in

pedit: ppl are tabling me? can i has quotes

[ika]

Because her read is based on meta.

Because you're not doing anything.

PEdit - The opinion of one player takes precedence over the majority actually in the game? Hmm, I don't like that.

so me talking to you is not doing anything?
so me asking you quesitons is not doing anything?
so my interacting with you is not doing anyhting?
so me posting is not doing anything?
so me shouting i want hammer is not doing anything?

pedit: oh, neat, looks like scums want to myslynch me later!

[ika]

llam can you just name the players with a the quote, cus odds are one of the people are scum doing it

[ika]

all the player*

[ika]

so me talking to you is not doing anything?
so me asking you quesitons is not doing anything?
so my interacting with you is not doing anyhting?
so me posting is not doing anything?
so me shouting i want hammer is not doing anything?

pedit: oh, neat, looks like scums want to myslynch me later!

No, it isn't.
Your questions are aimless/empty.
You only started interacting with me when I said I thought you could be scum.
Your posts are full of nothing/fluff/empty questions.
Of course you want to hammer. That's obvious.

yet every answer past the first is an admission to me doing something witch contradicts your first stance of "ika is doing nothing"

so BBT, tell me how it feels to be caught like that in a contridiction

[ika]

BBT tell me after i flip town whos next in the myslynch pool?

plz tell me more about how i am scum

[ika]

oh hey page top

[ika]

The simple answer is you're not flipping town.

And when I do?

[ika]

i also like how you avoided every thing else i said about your blatant contradiction on me

pedit: that still contradicts 573

pedit2: can you show me where i seem "overly concnerned" cus really i dont see it form my posting and if your refering to me focusing on you about my flip then try something diffrent cus im trying to figure out if your just emulating scum meta right now or being a bad town player

[ika]

1)Nah, no contradiction.

2)This, right now, is your biggest contribution in the entire game. The rest is full of nothing.

3) Even this isn't great, you're simply being overly-defensive over someone scum-reading you.

1) yes contridicion cus those phrasings are an admission to me doing something unless if you cna jsutify they are not

2) that subjecitve so moot

3) not really? im actualy endorsing my own waogn if you havent noticed. im just poking the people who are voting me for shitty-ass reasoning (you BBT)

like your entire case on me resided on me being dodgy and lurky and now i do the opposite and you make a massive 180 case on me to fit your narrative. so plz tell me how im not trying to figure you out right now and how shitty your push on me is cus before you were complaining about my lurking and now your complaining bout my hyper-activity.

so BBT what is the new case on me? like can you even make a real one and not do a cop-out for once?

[ika]

I'm going to hammer if he gets to L-1 just to ruin ika's day.

wouldnt ruin my day really

[ika]

585 -

1)Reg, your reads are so far off here it's not even funny. Anti is still town.

2) Not only this, since when did ika move into the 'never, ever lynch pool.' Like, I know you have explained this read but I don't see this beacon of town that you seem to.

3) Ika has only just started doing something (our recent conversation). Prior to this, he asked empty questions and didn't do much else. You keep acting like ika isn't lurking and it's becoming frustrating because he quite clearly is. He's essentially prod-dodged with empty questions/statements for the majority of the game.

4) No, our recent interaction came about because I believe ika smelled a potential lynch. Like, it's the only time he has been active and it just so happens that it's when people are online and pushing the Aero wagon to end the day...you don't find that suspicious at all?

5) I don't even think he has stated why he finds Aero scummy. He just knows that in this game he can hammer and people be like 'lol, it's ika, that's what he does.' NO. That's what scum does. I also disagree that mentioning team mates is a town tell.

cus im board i want to just discred you more cus your still avoiding to admitting that the case has changed

1) and you know this how? are you claimign scum and you realzie hes right?

2) maybe cus you are just tunnling and being bad town or you jsut scum cus you dont seem to be really agno waging everyhting and keep going to copout answers to keep me as a scum read.

3) 567 and 573 contradict this

4) read my iso i have been goading my slayers gambit/own lynch all game

5) first part: i cna link you so manygames where town do it vs scum doing it. second part: you diagree so with it and apparently you jsut "disagree" with everything they say.

so what is it? are they wrong or are you just going to disagree with everyone cus its not following your belief

[ika]

mother fucker he goes to l-1 while im at work......

im still waiting for BBT to refute my point and not be dogy about it cus if he wants to think its smatics then he need to get into it otherwise its baseless

[ika]

we should lynch BBT though he claimed scum

[ika]

Multiple people insisting that they're fine and comfortable being the hammer vote but not being the L-1 vote is nonsensical and stupid.

Chances are everyone is doing this because ika loves to hammer anything and everything no matter what the situation is, so I treat any L-1 vote around him like a hammer.

know what the best thing is? its a great WIFOM generator.

ank has mollie said anything yet? are you still scum reading me? if so why?

[ika]

She hasn't really said all that much about this game. She read at least up to page 12 and the only reads she gave was what I assume is a townread on Psyche and a definite scumread on Llamarble.

and my other 2 questions?

[ika]

ank has mollie said anything yet? are you still scum reading me? if so why?

I guess I forgot this part.

I am still scumreading you and I posted why not all that long ago. My ISO isn't that long and I don't mention you very much, so it should be really easy to find.

so for the same reason, i was seeing if you evolved past that. but apparently not.

so final 2 questions:

who are my scum buddies?
how would it afftect your reads when i flip town?

[ika]

@BBT you gonna tell me how its smatics yet or will you finally admit what you said is not what it was

[ika]

so me talking to you is not doing anything?
so me asking you quesitons is not doing anything?
so my interacting with you is not doing anyhting?
so me posting is not doing anything?
so me shouting i want hammer is not doing anything?

pedit: oh, neat, looks like scums want to myslynch me later!

No, it isn't.
Your questions are aimless/empty.
You only started interacting with me when I said I thought you could be scum.
Your posts are full of nothing/fluff/empty questions.
Of course you want to hammer. That's obvious.

shall i bring this up again? cus everything past that is implying im doing something

[ika]

VOTE: areo

done

@BBT why cant you just go into sematics?

[ika]

or let me rephrase, why do you think its nothing when everyone else thinks or seems to imply otherwise?

[ika]

so BBT you gonna answer the questions or tell me how your members are not contradicting you right now?

[ika]

random gut thoughts: regafan is scum

[ika]

BBT is confirmed not reading thread and has also claimed scum can we lynch him now?

[ika]

BBT is is not answering my questions also

[ika]

You're not even voting for him.

i know i want to hammer him. would you vote him if i voted first?

[ika]

You just want to hammer period. Let's be real. It's not going to matter who gets run up.

not really? it was mostly for day 1 so we can move on. but you didnt answer my question, if i voted first would you vote too?

so zach why do you think llarm was killed?

[ika]

You just want to hammer period. Let's be real. It's not going to matter who gets run up.

not really? it was mostly for day 1 so we can move on. but you didnt answer my question, if i voted first would you vote too?

so zach why do you think llarm was killed?

I'm not particularly interested in lynching BBT.

You've said he claimed scum more than once, but I don't see it.

I have no idea why Llamarble was killed. My theory of most of the scum being off wagon combines the factors of how scummy Aero looked, how the wagon formed, and where the nightkill was. (With the idea being that scum would tend to kill where they're not hiding.)

bolded: i said he claimed scum, not more then once.

anyway your town now

[ika]

i know i want to hammer him. would you vote him if i voted first?

You're really going to abuse this, huh?

I think I'm going to join the school of hammering anyone that reaches L-1.

I thought it was only Boon that did this.

so you are implying im town now with this? cus thats what it sounds like right now.

[ika]

Not even close.

then plz expalin your contidiction about me doing nothing when you implied i was

[ika]

There is no contradiction.

You keep pushing for this semantics bullshit. It's not happening, Ika.

You have yet to explain how your "smatic" is not making it a contradiction. you need to jsutify each one and how its not implying that i wasnt doing nothing

so yes im going to pester you until you get into your smatics about it or you admit flat out that you made a contradiction

[ika]

Ika, you've done nothing this game.

You have yet to jsutify it with your "smatic"

Like even now you jsut default "im doing nothign" and not justifying your earlier contidictions that implied i was doing stuff.

pedit: need to jsutify it with your "smaatics"

[ika]

No, I showed how you were doing nothing whilst trying to make it look like something.

I couldn't be any clearer.

I'm bored now and you should eat rope.

no you said its a smatic reason and im still waiting for thatose smatic reasons. you have yet to do that

VOTE: ika

This recent BBT vs. ika is definitely not TvT. At least one of those two is scum, and I already had a townread on BBT, so ika it is.

good goodd, more opertunistic vote hoppers

Why is it definitely not TvT?

do you think its tvt?

ika's insistence on semantic troubles with the claims being made against him seems kinda like a non-town way to respond to a push. Focusing on the wording instead of the content feels like just trying to discredit it.

On the other hand, BBT's consecutive single word posts feel a little off also, not sure if that's town frustration or a scum player trying to be very insistent.

i presume the later

[ika]

CES, assume both are town for argument purpous, whos scum then

[ika]

so GIF and I are considering switching games.

who think yay and who thinks nay (outside of BBT who has yet to admit his contridiction or justifying his smatics)

[ika]

722 - Regfan, I have been saying ika is trying to take the semantics route for quite some time. Yet, nobody seems to want to listen.

becasue you refuse to justify it

[ika]

oversoul/tamme: do you think CES is town ro scum?

[ika]

VOTE: CES i already got hammer and hes scum so lets go

BBT still needs to answer justify himself or admit he contridicted

[ika]

BBT still refuses to admit he made a contidiction

BBT still refuses to scum hunt elsewhere

BBT still continues to be obvious scum or bad town

BBT is a great vote

[ika]

BBT also refuses to justify his "its not a contradiction" which only strengthems my argument he did

BBT is bad town or bad scum right now

BBT fails to realize i listent to teammate

BBT should listen to others

pedit:

BBT fails to see that i listen tto teammamtes in team game and not be ego stupid-pants

VOTE: BBT
VOTE: CES

Me now voted BBT and and fufiled his request.

ika wil quote BBT for post game and sig his post to show him badness

[ika]

BBT shoudl realize i also play other games

BBT should realize im helping teamate

BBT should be helpful and listne to teammate instead of be ego funny man

[ika]

I see no contradiction to justify.

BBT has caught scum.

BBT wants to know who you listened to and what they said.

BBT trusts his own reads above anyone elses.

BBT doesn't understand why sometimes you talk to him like you're town reading him and sometimes you talk to him like you're scum reading him.

BBT needs to jsutify how ika was doing nothign when he implied he was.

ika is going to sig BBT on all these things and repeat it to him every game as a reminder of how terrabad he is

BBT should just look at iso and figure it out

BBT should not be ego espcialy after how many games hes been wrong in

BBT should realize this is a team game so depeding on self is not going to work

BBT should realize that im going with team based on read and should already be apaprent

[ika]

well your here now anti so you can elaborate

[ika]

honesly anti its prob about 95% me trolling and not giving a fuck and 5% of me and gif having a back and forth about his game with random snippets of my game

[ika]

honesly anti its prob about 95% me trolling and not giving a fuck and 5% of me and gif having a back and forth about his game with random snippets of my game

i thought gif was on psyche's team?

$%#%

Nope gif is with me. Honestly the funny thing is that im porb more invested in his game then he is and im having to much fun in this game right now

[ika]

add lying to the list ofthing BBT has done now

[ika]

also i love how i am lurking when anti has less post then me

[ika]

Your activity has picked up recently.

You have most definitely been lurking for the majority of this game.

Also, when you post, it's full of nothing. Short bursts of posts that contain nothing.

Quantity means jack shit.

A post has words, that is something. A post has meaning that is something.

you have yet to tell me how mypost have "nothing" or mean "nothing"

also you have been caught lying congradulation you have now stooped down to my level of play

[ika]

ika: What are your current reads? I wouldn't complain about having GIFs reads either since I keep hearing he's paying attention to the game.

i havent been really reading the game gif and i agree that CES is scum though

other then that everything else is meh (im drunk also atm but soering and tired so im streamline mode)

your town
anti prob town
phyce could be scum
reg might be town
elk prob scum

everyone else i dont really care to sort or even see if they exist right now

whats yours?

[ika]

for GIF:

lol teams thought process. ZZZX/Boon are not even following other than their own games and GIF is basically nonexistant for like next few weeks

[ika]

i honeslty at this point want to lynch CES/CD and if the game isnt over from there (cus right now im gutting on 1/both bgin scums)

[ika]

shut up BBT enough with your lurker shit and destactions from the main objective, scum is scum right?

if you agree CES is scum as well vote him we can deal with phyce later

[ika]

I have.

You're not reading.

i have? i just fine your constant narcratics of "hey you should vote phyce/ika for lurking/doing nothign (hint still havent jsutified it)" is becomeing obseesive and at best anti-town

like you by your own admission has sated "i trust me reads more" but you fail to fucking realize that this is a god damned team game where you should be listening into your feelow teamates as well (whihc you have started doing finally) so how about you drop your snideness on it for once cus hoenslty it does nobody any good and what you do with it makes a "shiny object"

[ika]

shut up BBT enough with your lurker shit and destactions from the main objective, scum is scum right?

if you agree CES is scum as well vote him we can deal with phyce later

If you end up flipping scum in this game, I fucking promise you I will push for your lynch every single game we play.

does that include when we are both scum and we both lurked it to victory?

but more on point: fine with me

[ika]

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[ika]

does that include when we are both scum and we both lurked it to victory?

When?

this game

you kept trying to soft bus us and in the end we went flawless

[ika]

Hahahahahahahaha.

Yeah, I lurked in that game.

Only 4th highest poster. Clearly lurked.

not sure if sarcasm or serious seeing how i'm second highest poster here right now if we are to go by what you are staing as "lurking" here

[ika]

We'll talk about that post-game because you're pissing me off again.

really? i was trying to have a serious dicussion with you

One quick comment - you're second highest poster in this game because of me. Solely because of me.

Secondly, it's embarrassing you have that many posts with no content.

shall i jsut revert back to troll and say "justify it" or would you just like to admit that what you said like 2 post ago is diffrent from what you are classifying me as "lurkign"?

but i find it irnoic and funny that when i am actualy trying to show you somthing all yuo do is get holed up

[ika]

Just because you make a whole lot of posts in a short amount of time that doesn't mean you're not lurking.

But if we are following your logic of the "4th poster" (and i was being serious on asking if it was sarcastic or not) wouldnt that mean im not a lurker?

Like im trying to show you how you seemingly seem to have 2 very distince definitoins of "lurker" and by one, yes i am, but by anohter no im not.

[ika]

HI MAQUIS!

[ika]

hi ank, how are you?

[ika]

potato

how are you

meh been better. whats your read on zach and why?

[ika]

you understand though CES that im hard reading ank as town?

like your post is fearmongering if anything

[ika]

It's not fearmongering. That is literally the only thing Ank has said to support his vote on me. Cheery is even worse in that he just simply didn't support his vote on you one iota; and his Regfanvote isn't that much better. How many times am I going to have to point this out before I get my scum lynches?

How come you only have those 2 as scum read when there are 3 scum members then?

Here lets play a small game: pretend for a moment that ank is confirmed town (NK or lynched) how does that affect your reads? Like who would be scum after ank if it was disproven?

[ika]

why did you delibertly not answer my second part CES?

[ika]

why did you delibertly not answer my second part CES?

I have little interest in boring hypotheticals and you haven't given me the impression you would get much out of it.

so instead of trying to work with me you decide to resort to your own ego and say "nah i dont think it does crap?"

like do you realize how ego based and anti-town (if town) you are in acting like that?

[ika]

VOTE: BBT

[ika]

VOTE: BBT

What are you doing now?

it should be self explintory dont you think?

how come you went V/LA sitewide but coninue to post in other games but not here?

[ika]

CD you scum bro?

[ika]

Ika - I realize we haven't played that many games together, so I'm not overly familiar with your play, but from what I have seen its a bit more thoughtful than what you have been doing. There's a post yiu made that leans me towards you being town. So, if I'm right and you are can you play the more thoughtful type game and the less trolling/getting in arguments that don't go anywhere.

I think you and bt's arguments haven't ended up going anywhere and it just clutters the thread and gives scum a place to hide/concentrate on so they can look busy. I came into the game suspecting bbt, though it's not necessarily as strong as before, and I'm having trouble holding onto that read/figuring it out because I think his responses to you would be genuine frustration regardless of alignment which throws me off.

But if you could be more the mafia on air/unbalanced mafia ika, I think we could get something done here.

sigh.....

im going to be blunt on this and its more or less entirly misplaced emotions and crap.

i really quit caring about my game after mid-day 1 due to how pathetic and boring its been.

while yes i can be insightful and thoughtful on a gamestate, the problem with this game alone is that it goes on the key weakness that i know i have: its pr-less

Like maf on air game: i was bp so i was active adn pushy as shit and claimed PR to draw NK and there was a real myster/setup spec to look into

HU2: that was with players that i knew and that i had mollie with me in that game and that we had a very special dynamic shared as hydra that was able to allow me to resonate so well.

give me a read list and i will see where i sync up, right now im tired and really not in the greatest of moods and i will get back to it.

pedit: honeslty if mollie/you/me were to eb here, we could prob tag team it all like in HU2. i need sleep and time away for now

[ika]

also tammy serious question (and OGC): when are we hydraing?

[ika]

lol i got prodded

[ika]

ank, i know mollie has a lot of shit going on in her game.

if she wants to reach out to me in cross games she only needs to ask, im giving her space to focus on hers.

honestly the fact i havent and mollie takes that as a bad sign for some odd reson when i feel like she knows me better then that jsut....

fuck it:

mollie im not fuckign reaching out to you in this game due to the other one, if you are going to fucking scum read me for not reaching out when im specatgin and helping ZZZX with all the shit that went on there and knwong how much drama it caused you. then fuck it all

im giving you space so your not overbooked on shit.

yes this is probally grossly misplaced anger but im giving you time to do it at your own pace

[ika]

She's actually townreading you now, last I heard.

PEdit: @Ika

can you ask her for her thoughts on CES/CD/BBT

I would love to reach out with her more but right now my mood isnt in a best so i need someon like her to talk to me

Tammy you here? if so can you come in

[ika]

1)I presented my case on ika. I pushed ika. I pushed ika fucking hard and nobody listened. Have you presented your case on me? No. Have you even so much as attempted to push me? No. That is a very clear difference. I tried. You have not.

2) Secondly, Titus was an afterthought. You can clearly see I first cite the reason of nobody listening to me followed by getting fed up of Titus screaming at me. Secondary thought.

3)Can you point to even a single other time where I have mentioned my teams reads? I don't think you can. So for you to even try and use this to the extent that I have used it against Reg is downright ridiculous.

just cus i want to be a dick again

1) dud you hardly pushed me, i just kept doign bs to your case and you kept doing the same thing. like its obvious you are not invested in trying to lynch me no matter what. also tammy has obviously shown no intrest in lynching you today so your overdefensive remakrs do show quite well

2) titus doesn't scream very often so i believe you are wildy taking out of proportion.

3) i prob could, cus i recall pointing it out and stating "why arent you lsitening"

[ika]

Ika, do you want to vote Cheery Dog?

Depends. who do you think will die tonight and why?

(dont worry i will move my vote)

[ika]

HIIIIIIIIIII

zach and tammy are town

i need to reread the interactions of ank to figure out if hes town or not

tammy why are we not voting CD?

[ika]

ank, gun to the head who is the scum team?

also who do you think will die tonight and why?

pedti: we can do that tommmorw

[ika]

HIIIIIIIIIII

zach and tammy are town

i need to reread the interactions of ank to figure out if hes town or not

tammy why are we not voting CD?

I'm a loser who holds onto my vote too long!

tammy do you want a hammer?

[ika]

now why would tammy be the NK ank?

[ika]

fuck we didnt get page top

hey tammy you need me for anything atm cus i just got off work and go back in like 5 hrss so if you dont need my im sleeping but should be back for the last like 4 hrs

[ika]

meh CES thoughts on who would be scum if its not in CD/ank mirrors my thoguhts. also his thought out reason on who would be nked seems too gunine to be from mafia.

the thing i have noticed at times is that scums have a set mindset of when asked those questions they have trouble justifying it. for CES to come in and basicly say "regfan will dies for XYZ" seems to lack tha awreness of a team.

edit:VOTE: CD

other edits: we caould do ank/BBT tommorow after a CD flip

zach you need me or am i good?

i think at this rate we can just townbloc the game out

[ika]

in b4 someone bltiz hammers

[ika]

I'm talking to mollie right now. If anyone wants something from her, now's your chance before I go to bed.

ask mollie whos scum and why.

[ika]

fuck sleep im makign townbloc now

[ika]

actualyi should save ti for tommorow otherwise they might shoot in it.

meh. ill draft it and sort shit out but 99% sure at this point how im seeing interactions its going to be POE-townbloc.

pedit: ???

[ika]

She's actually townreading you now, last I heard.

PEdit: @Ika

All she said so far is that she thinks ika is scum now. I asked for justification to post in here but haven't gotten a response yet.

Wisdom doesn't like Zachrulez in this exchange.

-.-

i want to hear this porgression

pedit: margarita

[ika]

i don't have tequila

I have whiskey or gin.

both

ill get to ank in a min but i can tell you right now your bsing or mollie is wrong about meta tells

[ika]

mollie did post a reason for you being scum earlier, but I was requested not to make it public; it's probably a metatell you don't know about.

ok to respond proper on this:

mollie, you are fully aware of my meta, and that if you think you have some secret new meta tell on me i dont think you do and that you are lying to me ank.

like if mollie does i will have a long dicussion about it with her when this game is over. cus she knows the one trick that i can never do as scum and that will catch me 99% of the time (and no its not efforts or activity)

so ank, let mollie know that im challenging her here right now.

also fuck you gusy for keeping me up when i got work in 4 hrs oh well

pedit: if something i do is a scumtell, mollie knows the true scumtell and that any others that seem to show up are more or less fake

pedit2: if we are going to do that, she was yellow at the time of reversal where ank said, "mollies on" (in b4 mollie gets mad at me)

[ika]

And it just got better!

IRK!!!!!

pedt: so you admit to lying now orrrrrrrr......?

pedit2: -.-

know what here:

at the time of you posting "mollie is scum reading me" was she on or no?

[ika]

you should bug her in site chat. she's there!

^^

i would bug her myself but if she read this and sees i have work soon she might go yell at me to sleep

[ika]

still waiting for that reason from mollie.....

i can already tell we are going to have a fun talk after this team maf stuff is over

[ika]

Now mollie's saying that ika might be town.

DAT super sekret tell!

for real....

like i saw wisdoms read on me and part of me honstly wants to reach out to him and stangle him but part of em goes "thats wisdom for you"

like, just, meh. im too far out of it to try to be mad at wisdom for something that he doenst understand or even know

tammy: what do you think the tell is? like i will be honest with you, mollie knows the one hallmark of my scum game that nobody else knows so for ank to say "mollie has another" seems far fetched

ped: so tammy about that supposive tell.....

[ika]

Ika I'm not going to point out the town tell I have for you. And if you're town, and my tell is correct, you shouldn't be claiming that I'm either bsing the town tell on you or mollie has the scum tell on you which is correct, which if I'm interpreting correctly is wtf because if you were town you shouldn't be questioning my town tell on you.

i think we got everythign mixed up now....

if its a town tell then whatever i can ask later but i dont really care for towntells unless if i need to try to subvert it

if its a supposive "scum tell" i want to know what bs idea it is.

[ika]

just forget what i was asking in general it can be talked about post-game tammy

[ika]

so we got about 4 post before page top, anyone wanna try to nab it?

[ika]

just forget what i was asking in general it can be talked about post-game tammy

ika if you're town this game and my town tell is correct I'm never going to tell you post-game. Just like I've never told Thor the town-tells I have on him. These are things I've collected that I don't want people to be able to fake, and as long as no one is disagreeing with me and I can fight against a lynch without outing them I won't.

*shrugs*

i did have somethign to say about being in hydra with me but im too out of focus to make it coherent. ill prob message you post game or something.

Oh zach you don't know about the equinox drinking game?

You follow along with an equinox game and you take a drink for every page top she misses.

i should join that game

[ika]

ces: why do you think tammy died of regfan like you predicted

[ika]

ank why did you lie to us yesterday about mollies posting and when she was on and not?

[ika]

ank why did you lie to us yesterday about mollies posting and when she was on and not?

I didn't lie about a single thing I said about either mollie or Wisdom yesterday. I was basing the activity entirely on posts in our team PT.

....

ask mollie for a full read list on every player if she can manage the time.

alos im off to work

[ika]

oh btw

VOTE: BBT

this is what we should be lynchign today.

im sheeping tammy and this is my first idea

[ika]

lets wait for annen to post,

CES you were wrong on 2 ofyour 3, iirc you suspected BBT would be next in your list, do you oppose his lynch if so why?

[ika]

ces: why do you think tammy died of regfan like you predicted

Hey Ika, can I guess why you killed Tammy?

Can I also guess why Regfan is still alive?

sure but any answer you think of is wrong due to the fact id didnt.

heck if you want i could fabricate a reason why i would and why it would 100% fit a case on me. like if you really want to knwo something i had this parnoia moment at work during night phase that the scum team was tammy/zech/??? at one point

[ika]

elk what are your reads in a nutshell?

[ika]

ank for mollie: what is elk lynchbait town?

tell her i will talk to her about nk spec and my reasons behind it post-games

[ika]

Talking to Wgeurts a bit.

He says this:

@BBT: CES is town for fudge sake get your crumpets together and get on a real scum like Ank/Zach/Ika!!!

i dunno whats more humorous in this

the fact wgert thinks zach is scum or i am scum

[ika]

ces why are you not voting?

(and before you ask me im being deliberly lazy asshole and to piss off BBT)

[ika]

It's a parallel site activity so I'm not allowed to give any details, but his parallel activity doesn't add up.

This i want to hear.

[ika]

does anyone else have this nagging feeling that regfan is scum right now whos doing jack shit cus nobody suspect him atm?

[ika]

Can you tell me why have your posts here been different from your posts were in Matrix-14?

well the most blatant and obvious one would be that im VT here and not an sk? and that this setup does not have a place for sk?

like if your really going to compare sk!ika to vt!ika then you have a lot to learn.

sk vs scum team are 2 very different things and i take both very differently. likewise sk vs town have 2 very different atmospheres.

so to be blunt: trying to use an SK game of mine to apply it to a game where sk can not exist in attempts to meta me is very stupid and weak.

like if you really want to knwo my self meta all you have to do is ask. i openly state what it is (based off what people put as my "meta")

[ika]

anenin, whats your personal read on me?

not the wgerts one or shit like that

[ika]

i have this odd vibe that one scum is on wagon

one scum is not voting

one scum is just off wagon entirely

VOTE: regfan

i want to lynch this cus i dont trust the 2 competing wagons given how the others haev been

[ika]

so far my lynch pool is currently compiled of CES/regfan

i would do BBT for lolz but anyone else atm i have no intrest in

[ika]

well the most blatant and obvious one would be that im VT here and not an sk? and that this setup does not have a place for sk?
like if your really going to compare sk!ika to vt!ika then you have a lot to learn.
sk vs scum team are 2 very different things and i take both very differently. likewise sk vs town have 2 very different atmospheres.
so to be blunt: trying to use an SK game of mine to apply it to a game where sk can not exist in attempts to meta me is very stupid and weak.
like if you really want to knwo my self meta all you have to do is ask. i openly state what it is (based off what people put as my "meta")

That's not the point. I know that SK =/= Mafia, although there are similarities, since neither of them wins with the town.

The point is that I put my read on you on hold because I realized that Matrix 14 would end soon. Of course I didn't read the game

thoroughly

and there was a resonable chance that I'm misreading you and MonkeyMan is a trolling SK. Had you flipped town there, that would have changed a lot here. (Similar Ika-posts as town ---> probability of Ika is town and I'm misreading you. However, similar Ika-posts as SK ---> doesn't contradict my scumread on you.)

anenin, whats your personal read on me?

I explained my scumread in my catchups, but okay, I'll recapitulate the most important things.
1077 (5) – random questioning out of early gamephase, in the middle of another conversation. (Eg. in Matrix 14 you posted such things much earlier.)
1077 (12) – posting that you want to perform a slayer's gambit is pigeon poop. (But okay, what have you achieve or what did you want to achieve by that?)
1128 (6) – that conversation is the cornerstone. You posted that BBT had been claiming scum and avoided to answer Zach's questions about it. You were urging a BBT-lynch but without voting for him. Also, what's with your hammers? Hammered twice in Matrix 14...
1128 (7) and basicly everywhere. – your constant fight with BBT, which has lead nowhere but changed shape around 878. (I'm not sure that BBT's push is genuine and you're scum or both of you are scums and faking, but the fact that noone pushed the other one

too

hard suggests me the latter one.)
Also, the fact that you appeared on the CES-wagon (...while fighting with BBT all the time), moved to BBT in 2.13 (at that time there were no other votes there), and ended up on the CD-wagon. (2.25)

i have this odd vibe that one scum is on wagon
one scum is not voting
one scum is just off wagon entirely
VOTE: regfan
i want to lynch this cus i dont trust the 2 competing wagons given how the others haev been

Okay, according to your reads, Regfan is the "not voting" one. Who's the on-wagon and the off-wagon scum?

first one:

have you looked at my town games as well? have you looked at my scum games? have you actualy tried to figure out my alignment outside of that sole game? have you actually considered asking me about my meta?

second one:

first: and its not really alignment indicative as i have done it as both town and scum
second: seeing how it never came to fruition, nothing.
third:
on bbt: i do it just cus it make the game intresting, aslo given how he did more or less the same thing in robber at casino game i find that doing the same thign to be a fun game and push him to either lose it or suck up and admit he is wrong.
on hammers: who doesnt like hammers?
final: if thats the case why are you not pushing a lynch on us? like your diconnect of who your voting vs who you think is scum is like horrendis

third one:

lets play a game: if its the case who do YOU think it is?

[ika]

annen im also going to make it blunt right here:

if you think me/BBT are scum why are you voting ank? do you see how bad thats shows in mindset connections?

[ika]

b/c im not planning on quoting it and it entierty for annen:

first: ???
second:
1) doesnt change that the questions are not alignment indicative
3) my goal is to give me something to do in my boardom time
4) wifom argument is full of wifom.
5) but your argument that me/bbt are both scums majory looks wrong with who your voting. like you should be pushing us no?

reg/BBT/one of you/elk

would you like me to link you to like every town game i have? im not picky on them. i can do likewise with scum games. the fact you are continuing to dodge me in such manner makes me think you know im town yet you are stawmanning to scum read me

[ika]

(answers for my post)

first: ???
second:
1) doesnt change that the questions are not alignment indicative
3) my goal is to give me something to do in my boardom time
4) wifom argument is full of wifom.
5) but your argument that me/bbt are both scums majory looks wrong with who your voting. like you should be pushing us no?

(edited by me)

the fact you are continuing to dodge me in such manner makes me think you know im town yet you are stawmanning to scum read me

First: what can't you understand here?!

Second:
(1) you're ignoring all the time that I'm talking about the

timing

of your questions, not the questions themselvs.
(3) you're trying to explain that you were only having fun or whatever, but you're ignoring that I've been talking about with your interactions with BBT and Zach. Those are everything but NOT trivial.
(4) you asked "Who doesn't like hammers?" I said "hammering is a WIFOM that scums can produce" and you answered "WIFOM argument is full of WIFOM" – Whut?!

As for your meta. I randomly picked these:
Micro 411 (town-Ika) – a bit more funny-Ika than here, the posting style is similar, although maybe a bit longer posts towards Ika's lynch (maybe irrelevant?)
Mini Theme 1629 (scum-Ika) – maybe a bit more funny-Ika than here, but the posting style and the amount of useful info is roughtly the same.
(I'll examine this game for BBT too, because he also was scum there.)

That didn't help me a lot, although these metas are telling that you can do the same as town and as scum.
But I

still

don't understand why I should consider you town in

this particular

game. (Where have I strawman-ed, by the way?) Your ISO

here

is full of scummy pigeon poop. I've posted a lot about it but here are a few more examples.

– In early game you were scumreading Elk. But where is your vote? Nowhere!!! (And you're FoS-ing me because I'm voting for someone else while interacting with you? WTF!)
– I've just checked a search for the string "aero" in your ISO. Eight results. EIGHT! Five in quotes from other players. Two (misspelled) are your votes. (One is a double-quote on your vote.) So, you hammered a player on whom you didn't post anything. You even unvoted him once so as to hammer later. I really don't understand WHY anyone finds this town-ish! (Especially since Aero expressed that because of being away he might post more later... well, that never could happen.)
– in 754 you voted for CES. Yet again, where's the case? As far as I can see, that's the FOURTH time the "CES" string appears in your ISO. It seems you're just going for a lynch, regardless of anything.

Frankly, need I go on with this?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ika

I still think Ankamius is scum too but now I really would like everyone to consider these things I've posted. I'll examine BBT next. (Regardless of Wgeurts's opinion.)

1) well then there not much i can say i dont care to look at timing of shit. the timing is moot to me
3) ok so? like my interatcions with bbt as i have stated are also form a past game. zachs interactions are more or less me interacting with someone who i think is town? otherwise i dunno whatline of question you are questionign me on
4) yup, i can link you more town games of where i do it then scum games of i do it. Your entire point is pretty much WFIOM by your own admission no?

i think the fact that theres a major diffrence in /how/ i go about it. yes about 99% of the things i do are non-alingment indicative but either:
A) your missing the point of what makes me town and scum at most times
B) your just horribale at metaing me and fail to realzize it

on elk: does each suspicion have to be backed by a vote? am i just allowed to be annoyign and call someon scummy w/o stating crap?
on areo: welcome to day fucking 1, on day 1s i can give less shit about who gets lynched then i care for
on CES: have you seen me as either alignment make cases or really give out reason? cus unless if you reallyhave proper evidence to back it thats a faulty reason. i dont do cases, i dont do shit. i jsut dont give fucks

yes you could go on cus if this is wgrt stating im scum i want you to tell him to kindly STFU and learn to properly meta someone and do you own work.

however i would be glad to get lynched here. ive been needing to swap with players

[ika]

This is classic scum. FOS buddy (CES) vote town (Regfan)

yet you were calling the scum team me/ces/regfan?

so what is it BBT?

@annen: im can continue our little funsie later im one break and its my birthday so im gonna have fun.

maybe if your lucky i will come back drunk

[ika]

Ika, state why I'm scum.

Zach, don't be stupid. Once again, I tried my best to lynch who I thought was scum and, once again, nobody listened.

Just so I can gloat post game I'm calling the scum team now.

Ika/CES/Regfan.

CD was clearly a counter-wagon to stop CES from being lynched.

But whatever. I'll sit here while you guys mislynch town again and then maybe, once we're in LyLo, somebody will listen to me.

here BBT ill even quote you where you called us all ascum team.

so tell me how what your stating now is not a huge contridiction of stances of what you orgionaly thought?

VOTE: BBT

lets lynch scum guies

pedti: awwwww, i was gonn ahve fun dismantling the shitty argument your pushing on me. like you honestly sound very unconvinced in your push overall tbh

[ika]

really?

meh, i need to come back when im drunk and post a bunch.

CES whats your read on regfan and why?

[ika]

well we have me and CES who can lynch annen

i really dont care and nobody seems to also care how opertunistic elk votes looks.

like im kinda at point of wanting to be lynched o i can take over ZZZX game and not wory about this shit cus if we swap now i have to basicly tell him my thought on shit cus hes not reading this

[ika]

well we have me and CES who can lynch annen

i really dont care and nobody seems to also care how opertunistic elk votes looks.

like im kinda at point of wanting to be lynched o i can take over ZZZX game and not wory about this shit cus if we swap now i have to basicly tell him my thought on shit cus hes not reading this

Opportunistic? I was the second vote on you, right after you've posted several pages of scummy excuses since the last time I posted, AND I thought you were playing antitown at several points earlier in the game and had even voted you for it.

Opportunistic?

antitown=/=scum though?

the fact you jsut showed up for me to vote me and nothing else?
the fact you have like no reads right now?
the fact that you litarly walts in plop a vote down and then come back to post this?

like how about a read list at least with reason or something cus i find it completley justified that your vote is opertunistic based on how you have been playing right now

[ika]

i wouldnt be surprise to even see 2 scums on my wagon atm.

[ika]

Elk, can you explain Anen town read?

I'm struggling to swallow the fact you don't have a read on Anti or Regfan either.

i find it more irnoic you are voting with him

[ika]

I have no reads?

Have you been reading my posts?

It's pretty clear that I'm scumreading you/CES/Anka in varying order, and townreading BBT/Anen.

Zach is still in the middle, hard to decide how I feel about him.

now justify each read and how it will be affected when i flip town cus those are like the most shittiest reads i have ever heard

[ika]

Yeah, I mean, do I like your wagon composition right now? No.

Do I want you lynched? Yes. Very badly.

so your voting my on policy i take it?

like a day before lylo and you want policy? thats rich

[ika]

Not policy ika, not even close.

I have explained why I think you're scum.

yet if you hate my wagon company it shoudl give you pause and the fact it doesn is hilarious if you are town

[ika]

sigh....

town on town wagons suck

everyone should join me on BBT

[ika]

Which one do you think town-on-town?

lets see theres 2 competing wagons (me and you)

it should be straigfoward what i think is town and town wagon right now?

otherwise i think you misintreprt.

both wagons (me and your) are town based and scums are jsut sideline right now

[ika]

im also going to point out how BBt is basicly removing any blame from being on my wagon when i flip town based off what hes stating.

[ika]

zach you around?

i want to dicuss reads and random theiroys that have been irking me

[ika]

CES what your current presumption on the scum team and why?

whats your take on regfan not being dead btw?

[ika]

ok serious question:

are you guys brothers or is there some history you guys share that im unaware of? cus usally when i see this type of interactions its due to a history thing

[ika]

Who, Ika?

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i feel liek it should be obvious who im askign but it CES/regfan

the dynamic looks very similar to many players who have one or more of the followings:
A) a history of playing together
B) family
C) know each other IRL
D) close friends who know each other very well

pedit: ah, that makes more sense now. it also helps me understand the dynamic better

[ika]

Aneninen
Ankamius
Cogito Ergo Sum
ika
Zachrulez
Antihero

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BlueBloodedToffee
Regfan
theelkspeaks

a not random list of my current gamestate stance (town reads are not in any order)

[ika]

annen who do you think will be killed tonight and why?

(and yes there is a reason for asking this very scummy question but i want you to do it before i tell you)

[ika]

anti: ask TTH whats the case on annen

[ika]

VOTE: annen

just fucking die, i still think your town but apparently nobody takes into consideration that mafia has enabled day chats and that him coming in like this as scum really makes no sense

but heck i no longer give a fuck about it im fed up we can deal with this in god damn lylo

[ika]

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anti what are TTH reads atm?

[ika]

who are you going to vote in lylo BBT?

how come your not voting CES or one of my scum buddies?

how come titus hasnt done her VCA?

how come your so bad?

[ika]

I'm pretty good. You can try to discredit me all you like but I've known you were scum since late D1.

[ika]

Ika and BBT are more likely town with Aneninen's scumflip, and CES is more likely town because of Zach's townflip.

Since Antihero's just straight up town, that leaves Regfan + Theelkspeaks.

Ika's hammer was straight up frustration with the situation he found himself in. Note the difference between his D1 hammer and his hammer on Anen.

Why the fuck would he hammer a town read when he thinks it would take us into LyLo? It makes no sense.

I feel like I'm on crazy pills right now.

i did it cus the game was not moving foward and i was the only one who had doubt?

like i am not afraid to go 1v1 with someone in lylo or even go to llylo.

like how far do you need to have your blinders down?

pedit: i like how CES was shouting annen/BBT all day yesterday and insteads open with elk (@bbt doesnt that giv eyou pause at least?)

[ika]

I realise I'm being egotistical and I don't care.

I want to show everyone I am right on Ika, if I am somehow wrong, we lynch CES tomorrow.

I want ika lynched.

But your wrong? Like after you see im town are you going to admit you cant read people lke me anymore and that maybe meta isnt jsut some shit?

[ika]

Anyway im off to work, thkns for lightening my mood with you confirmation bias bbt

[ika]

But your wrong? Like after you see im town are you going to admit you cant read people lke me anymore and that maybe meta isnt jsut some shit?

No, I will never say meta is useful. It's too manipulative and subjective.

What I will say is, if I'm wrong about you this game I'll probably just avoid playing with you because a) if this is your town game it's ridiculously anti-town and b) I obviously can't read you for shit.

That doesn't matter though. Because you're flipping scum.

here lets do an entertainign thing then: why not just lynch my scum buddy (CES) and end the game ike that? wouldnt that be easier?

honestly how your acting towards me right now seems like you think im town and you jsut want me gone. you know it wont happen though

[ika]

He looks like he is frustrated that he has to hammer his buddy.

Why would he hammer a town read heading into LyLo? WHY?

easy cus in lylo i fuck people over.

if your ecall robbery on casino i was going to fuck you and your shitty team over but GC fucked it up

check alsmot any game of where i was in lylo/mylo and see how amny fuck ups i have done.

this gaem is stupid get someone to l-1 and i will hammer.

we can do BBT/CES today i have no prefrence

[ika]

that beiing said im heading out for dinks

[ika]

im baccccckkkkk

why are we even dicussion the game when we could jsut be voting liek its hilarious how bad BBt is being and how he even admits it ego based play right now...

personaly GIf thinks he town

I think based on BBT tone he thinks im town but is jsut pushing policy on me

[ika]

I find it funny how BBT is going either "im bad town or im scum" over and over when i have seen him sigle hadldly detroy games as well with his bad meta and plays (and anti point one out)

[ika]

i find it more funny how you have yet to even dent my meta since it seems like 90% of my defense is comming form ohters.

it you need to know my own evaluation on self meta it would prob be slightly diffrent then what others make it out ot be.

@ank can i get mollie to talk to me when you get back

pedit: just to piss you off further, you seem to be ingornign everyone elses voice on me being town though? so its moot point.

also you have yet to jsutify why i was doing nothing

[ika]

Ika, your meta is finished after this game.

People need to see you flip first.

after this game my meta will only be more justified.

see your not even entiliting the idea that i will flip town and you already have removed your blame from being on my myslynch as well

[ika]

@BBT/Ika, p sure you're both town so stop fucking spamming with useless shit.

but its fun to goad BBT into stupidity


but on seriosu note: you think its CES/elk?

anti: what is your/tth take on scum partner?

ank: whats your take on everything in general

BBT: wheres titus VCA i already am most likely going to take it for not much but i want to see it anyway

[ika]

@BBT/Ika, p sure you're both town so stop fucking spamming with useless shit.

but its fun to goad BBT into stupidity


but on seriosu note: you think its CES/elk?

anti: what is your/tth take on scum partner?

ank: whats your take on everything in general

BBT: wheres titus VCA i already am most likely going to take it for not much but i want to see it anyway

You see, you keep making posts like this that let me know you know I'm town.

I could only be 'stupid' if I am town. If I'm scum, then stupidity doesn't apply does it? You do little things like this throughout the game that tell me you know I'm town.

i dont "knwo" you are town as you make it. i jsut think our interactions is comign from a tunnling bad town POV.

also take into account that i have my team memebers (GIF/ZZZX) who are talking to to be about you as well. your bias is strong

[ika]

If you think our interaction is town, why are you willing to lynch me?

You make zero sense. Like, literally, everything you say blows my fucking mind.

cus your being an anti-town fuck who is playing solely on ego play and not team play. i am at least listenig to others and considering stuff and vauling the imput (honestly a good chunk my my shipping at this point si deriving from tammy/zach cus i think they are much better then anyone who is alive in this game atm)

anyone who play for ego based reasons is hoenstly being a bad town cus they dont take into account ohter people and more times then i have seen have single handedly destroy town games as town.

so no imnot going to hide the fact that my push on you is sole for poilcy and that i will admit it is 100% anti-town for it but i really dont give a fuck. if you want t play like that as town then i will shove you hard every game

[ika]

regfan why is ank scum?

[ika]

Can you explain why you think I'm town please?

Or is it purely your team mates reads?

i've already explained it but apparently your not reading.

[ika]

here bbt ill take a page from you jsut so you can see how annyoing it it

read my iso

[ika]

Your stance on BBT makes you just as bad as him. I hope you realise this.

the diffrence is that i openly admit it and dont care about how it makes me look or how anti-town it is

BBT on the otherhand seems to be trying to jsutify it by other means and has already openly admit that his play and bias on me is sole on ego purpous

pedit: wow you went way too far back, keep trying

[ika]

anyway work time...

i wait for ank/anti to come back

oh BBT how about somethign that you can do: whats the town!case for elk? and lets not out the bs exuse of POE

[ika]

Ika, you're not a policy lynch to me. I don't know why you even think this.

You're town. And pretty fucking obviously so.

I didn't see anything in your ISO after that post where you're town reading me.

PEdit - Not interested in town cases. But if you really want to know, he thinks you're scum. He must be town.

easy you continue to ask me questions which implies either:

A) you have a withold on me and think im town
B) your doign you typical scum tactic of ask and discredit

like you continuing to ask me questions while calling me scum basicly shows 2 diffrent standpoints

[ika]

You're consistently twisting things to fit the narrative you're trying to push CES.

It's scummy as fuck.

Why was Anen not bussing Ika? If you're using Anti's comment as reasoning for why I'm scum, why does this not apply to Ika?

just to be a dick you are kinda doing the same thing really if you dont notice

[ika]

Except for I'm not.

but you are?

like you are jsut takign everyhting i say and painting it in a scummy viewpoint now. and you are scum reading em yet your willing to compermise on CES with em makes no sesne for town

like i can sit here all day and have fun dicussion with you and show you how bad you are being if your town. the entire read that you have on me is really based on "its going to detry my meta" which in fact is baseless

you are also not taking into consideration one ohter major factor: the scum nk

what do i gain from nking tammy and zach if they were majorly town reading me?

let me also point out your town!case on elk is shitty as hell and that you not trying to work with me is anti-town as fuck and a cop out exuse to try to avoide dicussion

[ika]

Wrong.

My case for you being scum has absolutely nothing to do with your meta. It's funny that both you and CES are now pushing this as a reason for me being scum. It makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm scum reading you and CES and it makes no sense for me to vote CES? Are you for real right now?

Now my entire read,

my entire read

, on you is based on something that a) I haven't said and b) something that's only just became an issue right now and I've been scum reading you since late D1. Wow. This is beyond ridiculous.

You kill people you're town reading to keep your lynch pool as wide as possible.

Why the fuck would I work with someone I think is scum?

This conversation is just getting stupid now. You're making no sense at all.

yet you continue to talk to me? that contradicts

like honeslty the first unspoken rules of mafia is dont talk to scums but here you are going against that all day long talking to me and appealing to me. so tell me how you are not playing suboptimaly right now and in fact beign anti-town?

and seeign how your scum read on me is entirlybased on ego and you have claimed scum already i can take what you say for a grain fo salt. like legit if your town your tunnel is so fucking bad that its hilarious.

even anti reminded you of a game where you were town and singlehandedly lost it for them due to tunnles. like im not even tryign and all your doing is contininug to tunnle me and keep shouting "my meta will be broken" and thats jsut an empty statement what cant be proven and in the end will actuly only show how bad you are and probally only strengthen my meta in the end

[ika]

i love BBT and how bad hes being right now....

I cant wait for post gaem how it only enforced my meta even further.

anti: where are you i need to talk to someone for sanity and talk about how bad BBT is being