Mini 1670 - WTF MAFIA
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That's indeed the case according to the wiki. But oh well. Ika obviously didn't intend it that way so nevermind.↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Isn't smalltown where you have everyone's role without their alignment?
McMenno's claim sounds like the most broken role to ever exist so I highly doubt it's legit, but if it is, shouldn't lynching him be top priority? We don't lose any players and get an alignment flip.
My gut is getting bad vibes from the Menno wagon but on the other hand it's a fair point that his role sounds like bullshit and doesn't correlate with the Restless Spirit, which would be a WTF role in its own right. Hm.
Pedit: What do you suggest I do, Flubber? McMenno is the only topic on the table and roughly half the players haven't posted out of RVS.
Pedit: What do you suggest I do, Flubber? McMenno is the only topic on the table and roughly half the players haven't posted out of RVS.
Never said she wasn't; I only have one vote. Does it matter which Menno pusher I vote?↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Why isn't elusive worth a vote?
↑ Derangement wrote:What if the only thing we claim is faction (town, third-party, scum)?
I am. Derangement seems worse because they're prolonging the topic, doomsaying to breed apathy, and generally seem ingenuine.↑ Flubbernugget wrote:Yeah you should probably push the scummier of the two
If a 3rd party kills Menno then his goal would be to kill that player. That should be obvious shouldn't it?
I don't find elusive 'townier' because she's done nothing so far to seem town. Am I supposed to be simultaneously voting all suspicious players? Wth.↑ Flubbernugget wrote:This has to be the case though because you're voting derangement, right?
I think the lurking is less productive than the active participation and therefore scummier
It's the content derangement puts out that gets me. But both of them could easily be scum as far as I'm concerned.
Are you also claiming hated here?! If not, who are you referring to?
Wanderer, explain how McMenno is less of a hazard to us when he's dead and is actively out to kill town.
That is Bins lol.
That's never going to happen though. No non-town player would dare hammer Menno at this point and he sure as hell won't be NKed. The only realistic scenario will lead to disaster for the town.
And as a third party, he could just as easily work with the town (which would actually be a faster win for him). Lynching him will, as I explained, only result in the worst case scenario for the town.↑ Wanderer-nl wrote:@Ric: He is right now already actively out to kill town. He has to survive, remember? If a third party kills mcmenno, and then that 3rd party gets lynched or killed later, mcmenno will have won the game.
I don't want to have mcmenno against us during lylo, but I really think we can win this before we actually hit lylo so why worry about that? Before that, he won't be a problem. We can now all agree L-2 will equal L-1 in case mcmenno is on the bw and that's another problem out of the way. We just need 2 hammerers instead of 1 to make sure the lynch is going through. Wouldn't that make scumhunting through vca even easier?
I don't understand your second paragraph. Do you want to lynch McMenno or not? What do you mean about two hammerers?
What are your other reads?
Misrep.
One post? No, I'm talking about his exchange with me about elusive.
Lmao what? How is calling you scum rolefishing?
He was attempting to interact with you just then. Do you understand what would happen if everyone thought like you did?
My role is nowhere near as complicated as all the other claims so don't try and pull the WTF card with me son
What is being left in the dark here? Your role name? I am not rolefishing, you have outright claimed and anyone with half an eye can see that.
Let's say I'm scum. What the fuck would I need to fish out of you when 403 gives me all the information I need about your role? You've completely ruined any chance of your power being used to help town by your own accord.
And I'm the fool here.
And I'm the fool here.
Not possible; Ika stated this game wasn't bastard. Although I would feel safer vigging him, we can't really coordinate that without the vig claiming.
Would you be at all willing to sacrifice yourself?
This is total bullshit. Shos is trying to get a wagon on me for 'rolefishing'...before I said anything regarding his role, he openly stated "if scum hammer me there will be net gain". Who gives a shit if that isn't a direct claim? That is all scum need to know.
The reason rolefishing is scummy is because it gives more information to scum. What more information do scum fucking need past "Scum hammering player X will result in net gain for the town"? It is YOUR fault scum know that information, shos, NOT MINE.
And it's just laughable that you think after that, scum will gladly go ahead and hammer you like you assumed with Jeanne. ffs. You aren't out to hunt scum; you're finding ridiculous excuses to vote people and blowing them out of proportion to make it seem like a good case. You are scum.
The reason rolefishing is scummy is because it gives more information to scum. What more information do scum fucking need past "Scum hammering player X will result in net gain for the town"? It is YOUR fault scum know that information, shos, NOT MINE.
And it's just laughable that you think after that, scum will gladly go ahead and hammer you like you assumed with Jeanne. ffs. You aren't out to hunt scum; you're finding ridiculous excuses to vote people and blowing them out of proportion to make it seem like a good case. You are scum.
I said it wasn't
complicated
, which is true. It's certainly important, no doubt about it.What is hard to understand here? The roles in this game are↑ shos wrote:I'd like to point to this thing here which should pretty much surpass the entire discussion that we have here.
So then, this implies he knows/thinks that I am scum, AND that the dayvig is scum.
Why would *anyone* assume, ever, that the dayvig, that vigged scum, is scum?
response:
When prodded again:
I urge you to see post 494 (above) again and decide if this is a theoretical statement that town would think about.
randomly assigned
- anyone could have rolled dayvig and lynchproof. If that had happened, the game would be unwinnable for town.
There is no way a setup like that would pass in ANY GAME
. Period.THAT IS QUITE CLEARLY NOT WHAT I AM SAYING! FUCK OFF!↑ shos wrote:OIF COURSE THAT IT IS RIGHT. BUT EVEN IF SCUM HAVE THE DAYVIG - they will not vig themselves, rioght?!?!?! so how did this even occur to you??? It assumes both that I am scum, AND that I am teamscum, AND that I am not lying about my role, AND that the scum have the dayvig, AND that that same scum is teamscum, AND that they shot themselves???
It was a mod error. My vote was completely legitimate. Have a look for yourself:
Still waiting for a reason as to why I'm scum that didn't appear in the last 10 posts.
Also, if you're actually okay with a disengaged lurker like Jeanne deciding the lynch then it's clear to me you aren't working in the town's interest.
Still waiting for a reason as to why I'm scum that didn't appear in the last 10 posts.
Also, if you're actually okay with a disengaged lurker like Jeanne deciding the lynch then it's clear to me you aren't working in the town's interest.
@Titus: I have a strong townread on Bella. Why is she scum according to you?
If we go for a NL I will bet you anything that Jeanne will mislynch. As I said, she is disengaged and probably has no reads and no idea what's going on.
Pedit: You know what shos I am tired of your bullshit. You want me to hammer? Fucking fine. VOTE: shos
If we go for a NL I will bet you anything that Jeanne will mislynch. As I said, she is disengaged and probably has no reads and no idea what's going on.
Pedit: You know what shos I am tired of your bullshit. You want me to hammer? Fucking fine. VOTE: shos
Look at the facts, people. Titus has failed to provide any reasoning as to why I am scum pre-P29. She doesn't think Bella is scum.
She has aggressively pushed town into a lose-lose-lose situation while pretending to scumhunt.
Combined with the fact that she replaced into the already scummy Derangement slot...Titus is scum, without a doubt.
She has aggressively pushed town into a lose-lose-lose situation while pretending to scumhunt.
Combined with the fact that she replaced into the already scummy Derangement slot...Titus is scum, without a doubt.
It appears that the first and last people on shos's wagon get gladiated, giving him no choice in the matter.
I have been noticing that the VCs were messed up but as a result I've been finding it hard to keep track of the votes. With how everyone else was acting I assumed my most recent vote was an unvote.
I have been noticing that the VCs were messed up but as a result I've been finding it hard to keep track of the votes. With how everyone else was acting I assumed my most recent vote was an unvote.
I was actually expecting a "no, obviously, I'm scumreading you for X" but it appears you really are that stupid.
The point I was making was that IF scum were to get both the unlynchable and the dayvig on their team then they would be invincible. There is no way any setup, WTF or not, would allow a scenario where town literally could not win to exist. Therefore, my conclusion was that you were lying about your role. This point is very straightforward and I have no idea why you are continually misunderstanding it.
Although the end of 768 makes it look like you do actually know what I'm talking about and are playing up me being crazy to discredit.
She has been advocating lynches on people she doesen't think is scum, has displayed at least once that she doesn't care who gets lynched, has provided no reason for scumreading her scumreads, and just recently advocated a massclaim which could only give advantage to scum. Also her posts are generally really fucking bad.↑ Bellaphant wrote:Okay, everyone now scum-reading Titus, why? She's being pretty ballsy, and maybe it's just the life the replacements have bought to the thread, but...
And she replaced into Derangement. Weren't you scumreading them? What has Titus done specifically that's made you change your mind?
Okay, let's start with you displaying that you don't care who gets lynched.
You haven't given any reasoning for your scumreads? Disprove that by giving them now. Why am I, Bins, and ARS scum?
You were advocating lynching someone you didn't think was scum? You were perfectly fine for a good while with Bella being gladiated so that's true too.
Look at the lie!
You haven't given any reasoning for your scumreads? Disprove that by giving them now. Why am I, Bins, and ARS scum?
You were advocating lynching someone you didn't think was scum? You were perfectly fine for a good while with Bella being gladiated so that's true too.
I scumslipped did I? How convenient that you only bring forth what would be absolutely crucial evidence when pushed. What is this slip, anyway?
Please quote this stuff about ducking because I have no idea what you're referring to.
HOW?????? We know there is a dayvig in the setup! That is all that is required to validate my statement!
You hadn't proven it when I said any of that! Do you even read the game?
ARS, I actually laughed out loud when I read 1002. That is the best power in the game by far, lol. With all these crazy powers running around my shitty ass boring role is looking extraordinarily unsatisfying. You do have a restriction that stops you from just eliminating the entire thread though, right?
@Anyone scumreading me that isn't Titus or shos: Why? Can anyone provide a case with points I haven't already sufficiently explained? Otherwise it seems like people are just sheeping shos while ignoring what I'm saying, which would be an aggravating way to end up dying, to say the least.
Oh, and by the way, McMenno is telling the truth. Just look at 465.
@Anyone scumreading me that isn't Titus or shos: Why? Can anyone provide a case with points I haven't already sufficiently explained? Otherwise it seems like people are just sheeping shos while ignoring what I'm saying, which would be an aggravating way to end up dying, to say the least.
Oh, and by the way, McMenno is telling the truth. Just look at 465.
ARS: Well, thing is, my role is perfectly useful. But it's just nowhere near as...dynamic as I would like in a game with a 'WTF' theme.
So your restriction is that you have to dump all the original posts you eliminated later on? That's fair enough. When specifically do you have to do this?
I'm all up for posting reads, as well. I will probably do so today when I can be bothered or when someone asks.
So your restriction is that you have to dump all the original posts you eliminated later on? That's fair enough. When specifically do you have to do this?
I'm all up for posting reads, as well. I will probably do so today when I can be bothered or when someone asks.
Might as well post my reads too then. I'm too lazy to post reasoning so you can just ask me about specific reads if you really want to know.
In no particular order:
Town
Bins
elusive
A Royal Saint
Null-Town
Wanderer-nl
Bellaphant
Total Null (possibly 3P)
Jeanne11
Drixx
BRantz
Scum
shos
Titus
3P
McMenno
I really have no proper idea who the other third parties could be, honestly. All I do know is that we've found the mafia, which should be good for now.
In no particular order:
Town
Bins
elusive
A Royal Saint
Null-Town
Wanderer-nl
Bellaphant
Total Null (possibly 3P)
Jeanne11
Drixx
BRantz
Scum
shos
Titus
3P
McMenno
I really have no proper idea who the other third parties could be, honestly. All I do know is that we've found the mafia, which should be good for now.
Yeah, well, I was very hesitant to vote either player and I was waiting to make sure there was nothing else we could do before I voted. I would probably have ended up voting if shos had kept up the charade for longer than he did.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:You would be trying to examine Jeanne's logic to see if she was town or scum and not so much working on self preservation.
You also did not vote Wanderer back when we thought we could lose two townies instead of one.
It is little things that don't seem to make sense from your read list.
There's definitiely some information missing there.
The only thing I am concerned about with Jeanne right now is her pivotal ability and who it targets. She hasn't contributed at all otherwise and she seems very mouldable so I cannot get a read on her.
I couldn't care less. This debate about the VCs looks like little more than useless quibbling, honestly.
I didn't get a flavourname. I don't see what Ika has to do with being a lie detector either so the claim sounds like bullshit to me.
Pedit: Wait, so you did get a flavourname, Bella? What is it?
How does that make any fucking sense? You're saying you can't destroy any other posts until the game is over!↑ A Royal Saint wrote:The roles. It would be mine too because ethicalness and not wanting to quote 1000 posts.
@Ricastle all the scum aren't dead so I can't.
I must be high, because I'm not seeing how any of that relates to your role.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Are you high? A mafia member who received it would be able to have it so town doesn't! Think of it like a cop. So scum would only hunt 3P with it. Sure I suppose they could target their buddies but why?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YkQj6TNPzXI
^relevant
also this is a psa to let you know that this is effectively twilight and shos will be dying at the end of it goodnight
^relevant
also this is a psa to let you know that this is effectively twilight and shos will be dying at the end of it goodnight
How does your PM conftown her? Just bloody say why!↑ A Royal Saint wrote:I just wish I was dead so yall can see my role PM and conf town Titus. Hell I would hammer myself in that case.
You keep saying this. If you honestly think you can get results on the level of an investigative through reactions then you are deluded.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:1) Because I had to see who wanted Titus lynched and who was scum hunting
4) It is like a cop with an unfiltered innocent. You can't just say I think they are town and rely on crumb reading. You have to make it clear but clear in such a way that helps town. Now scum have two targets that are town to worry about and know each other are town.
And if you really are scumreading me for that first reason, your strategy has completely failed.
Okay that was random. Now to deconstruct this garbage.
I actually completely agree with Menno's reaction here. This case is just terrible and if town sheeps it this game is over.
How do you know there are two scumteams?! Wtf. Also, that isn't 'cross-communication' you utter fool - Flubber was
Yes because my exchange with Flubber was totally a scum gambit right? How would that even work?↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Or we could lynch elusive + Ricastle who are clearly scum together.
I cannot recall a time where a case or pressure was building on elusive, so this is bull. Also I was never asked to vote her and I never outright refused. There is no point here.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Thirdly ricastle's unwillingness to vote elusive puts them together.
And you have yet to explain how! Does it say so in your role PM? If so, you just need to say that, instead of quote it like what you somehow think I ever wanted you to do?↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Fourthly Titus dying should be a shock to no one as she was town firmed by me.
Bullshit...you haven't said anything so far that townfirms Titus. You pulled this 'townfirm' out of your ass when you realised how powerful Titus's role was and how she may likely have targeted you.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Fifth point is Ricastle kept demanding me to quote my role PM several times to try to get me to demonstrate how it townfirmed Titus.
I actually completely agree with Menno's reaction here. This case is just terrible and if town sheeps it this game is over.
How do you know there are two scumteams?! Wtf. Also, that isn't 'cross-communication' you utter fool - Flubber was
talking to me
.No, scum. You are either lying or hiding something because your claim as it is has nothing to do with townfirming anybody. So tell me. How can you townfirm players?↑ A Royal Saint wrote:It means what it says. Did you have a question of substance or are you just scared like you flailed yesterday in trying to get me to quote my role PM?
Now this is just looking for anything to incriminate me. This is a crock of shit as I was clearly talking rhetorically. Funny how you never brought this up yesterday...almost as if you didn't believe in the least that this was a scumtell yesterday but now that you want to get rid of me you do.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Oh and FYI you talked with Flubber asking what to do. I just quoted the post. Don't try to say something else. The proof is there.
Oh yeah sorry I forgot we planned to dayvig Flubber. ffs↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Like it did in thread that conversation which I will quote in its entirety is just whack.
What? I never tried to push her. What are you even trying to say here?↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Exactly my point. You should have reacted how you are responding now back there. Instead it is a weird effortless push like blasé. Everyone read that.
No it fucking isn't. This is unacceptable avoidance.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:The only way to explain how my role PM townfirms is to quote it. *facepalm* Now I am pretty sure you are trying to be annoying and get a rise out of me.
VOTE: A Royal Saint
Now why would I be insinuating that? Think about it really hard.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Now this is bad. You realize that 1) I had to be right on Titus being town
Somebody get a translator because I can't make heads or tails of this shit.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:2) I specifically said I was looking for other people who could use vote counts. 3) Everyone had roles adding superlatives does not make your case.
She was fucking NKed!↑ A Royal Saint wrote:3) I offered her to target me with VC 200. So saying I was scared is crap. Never will be.
Again, there is no third party team and that question was rhetorical. You twisting the latter into a point is scummy as shit.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:4) RTfSD -- Modified from warehouse thirteen. Read the fucking setup dude.
5) yes cross talk is a thing. Where scum ask each other what they should do!
Rtfsd. There is one third party scum and an undesignated number of other third parties. Does that sound like a team to you?↑ A Royal Saint wrote:1) I do not believe the 3P's can talk with each other but it is a collective that probably has a kill amongst them.
I'm in agreement with elusive here - if you are town, you have gone completely insane. Flubber's death description was that he was 'shot out of nowhere' - that isn't suicide.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:2) I do not believe that you planned to kill Flubber initially but there are auto suicide roles. There are also roles that provide a distinctive benefit to kill early. This is WTF mafia and I am strongly suspecting that you KNEW Flubber was going to die and that is why you asked Flubber's opinions beforehand.
A third party scumteam that can't communicate, a mafia suicide gambit...it totally baffles me how town could come to these conclusions. This floundering is the epitome of grasping at straws.
And you conveniently skip over the fact that my question towards Flubber was rhetorical. Still determined to frame me in the worst possible light? Well it isn't going to work, pal. You cannot pull that shit with me.
"I'm putting my life on the line so I'm town!!!!!!"↑ A Royal Saint wrote:And of course you OMGUS when I don't quote my role PM *rolls eyes* I already volunteered to die to prove I am town, and I am a valuable asset as I townfirm people and you try to lynch me. Whatever. People will either see through this or take care of you and elusive tomorrow. Either way is fine by me as I have all day to lay out my case if I am right and it is auto suicide.
You cannot explain how you can townfirm players because you can't. You are bullshitting and that is clearer to me than ever now.
I think you need to read that post again because you're making a fool of yourself.
There are exactly 4 scums (3p team and one 3rd party) - 3p team AND a '3rd party'. There is one 3rd party in the scum. The other three are Mafia. This is basic-ass shit.
Be the better player and tell me how then. You've been nothing but condescending this game while doing jack shit to help town yourself and it's seriously getting on my nerves.
So 1372 was simply another avenue to vent your arrogance? That's just pathetic.
No, I'm playing along with your claim. Can you answer the question,↑ A Royal Saint wrote:And you finally admitted I townfirmed Titus through your emphasis on more players meaning I townfirmed Titus. Awesome.
especially now that this has happened you should have no excuse not to? Also, how has this happened?↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Apparently the clarification bug is going around... I has no more nukes and am now VT
That doesn't sound remotely believable. What constitutes a request?↑ A Royal Saint wrote:If someone made a request for a certain post I could nuke it and be told their alignment. And that it would only be dickish to town.
@Ricastle -- Because my nukes got disarmed by the mod
Did he give a reason why? Funny how this happens right when you're asked to expound on the townfirms.
↑ A Royal Saint wrote:if you're so sure why aren't you voting me? Hmmm
And I am beyond town. This is clearly a scum driven campaign between that and changing mechanics this slot was fucked. I am staying offline for a while but since people are too chicken shit to actually vote me as they know what I am saying is true then here's a gift
VOTE: ARS
Peace out
I am voting you. Don't talk to me about flailing and then go on to do shit like this, jesus christ.
A Royal Saint
: Post deleter who can get the alignment of a player who requests a deletion - partially confirmedRicastle
: Bulletproof Vest Giver - confirmedDrixx
: Anything Vendor - confirmedBellaphant
: Dolphin - confirmedshos
: Lynchproof Gladiator - confirmedJeanne11
: Lynch decider in the event of a NL, official rolename is Governor or some shitWanderer-nl
: JOAT with an investigate? I have no ideaMcMenno
: vote-only Restless Spirit Survivor whose wincon changes to having whoever killed/hammered them lose upon deathelusive/tere
: ChairmanShe's bullshitting about her role and bullshitting about me. Frankly, I cannot see her constant evasiveness in regards to her role and her disgusting misreps against me as coming from a town mindset.↑ Bellaphant wrote:@ric, why is ars scum?
↑ A Royal Saint wrote:1) Claiming investigative works really well d1. Just ask Titus. Oh wait.
2) I have fake claimed cop in a lot of games. Titus and elusive would have tried to stop it. I had to work around what would be their skepticism.
This is bullshit. Why are you willing to die to prove something you can just paraphrase right now? This is either a gambit or a concession. Either way, it isn't town.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:Furthermore it had to be a request not prompted by me. Because only those who would need a VC are town. You will see based on my role PM.
Titus is the only role we have seen that requires VCs to work. Your claim that you could townfirm more players therefore makes no bloody sense!
The word 'changed' did not even appear in my post. I was asking you wether you really can only delete VCs as you just mentioned deleting the thread. Also, in your first conversation with me about your role, you said you could delete any post. But if you really want me to say it: Your story has changed.↑ A Royal Saint wrote:*sigh* still true Ricastle you just keep saying I am changing that to further your goal. My PM says to be an appendage to town I can blow up VCs therefore the need had to be there so I function like investigative. Stop twisting words and saying I "changed" when I didn't. I have only changed twice based on mod intervention.
Tere -- please comment on the last post before elusive's replace out. I want to see how you explain a blatant scumslip. And yes this is my way of trying to get people to read that post. Until people comment on it I will keep asking.
That is in no way a scumslip and only shows how desperate you are to deflect attention from yourself. If elusive was scum, both of the points she made would be untrue in this case, so she's hardly employing knowledge of the scum mindset.
Bet you can't beat me!
What are your reads on non-ARS players? (assuming they've changed since your P10 post)
No of course I wouldn't have protected Titus when she was my biggest scumread in the game...and you said yourself just then the obvious fact that the roles are randomised, so her claiming investigative meant nothing.
Drixx will likely prove to be much more useful than Wanderer, whose current claim is and has been very vague, so it's not solid ground to spend a vest on over someone who we know has the potential to investigate and more. And she was not "outed". I have no idea what you're referring to there but what I do know is it's probably bullshit.
This is flailing scum. You're not responding to anyone else about you and are lashing out, regurgitating the same old over-answered points in an attempt to drive pressure away from you. Sorry, but you're dead scum, and none of this commandeering bullvision is going to help you change that.
Drixx will likely prove to be much more useful than Wanderer, whose current claim is and has been very vague, so it's not solid ground to spend a vest on over someone who we know has the potential to investigate and more. And she was not "outed". I have no idea what you're referring to there but what I do know is it's probably bullshit.
This is flailing scum. You're not responding to anyone else about you and are lashing out, regurgitating the same old over-answered points in an attempt to drive pressure away from you. Sorry, but you're dead scum, and none of this commandeering bullvision is going to help you change that.
Wanderer: Remember, if ARS is Mafia, then she only has one other partner out there. The chances of a counterwagon are therefore not high. Besides, I'm not seeing the wagon being Mafia-driven; I am town, Tere is town, shos could be third party but that's irrelevant in this case, and McMenno is third party which is again irrelevant. I'd say it's a safe lynch.