Open 598: GAME OVER

[ika]

yawn. talk to me when you guys are done being stupid

[ika]

yawn. talk to me when you guys are done being stupid

What do you think is stupid exactly?

RVS, i rather RQS like so

Spoiler: questions

are you scum?
why are you town?
who do you plan on visiting tonight?

yawn. talk to me when you guys are done being stupid

Why are you not interested in starting a wagon?

Nope, i prefer talking to people.

[ika]

so far from the top of me head and what i recall (i just got off work and i skimped)

GC is my top town read right now

BB do you see a flaw in your plan cus i see many right now

[ika]

anyway i will be back in an hr or so after i do some of my modding stuff if anyone needs me i should be around to glimp before i do a good caatchup

[ika]

ok time to read up proper

[ika]

ok im caught up

lane/newbie/GC/presival town

bb/YGS scum

others are unsorted

[ika]

BB do you see a flaw in your plan cus i see many right now

no hit me up g money with the plan

your read on me sucks

well 2 things:
first i will preadmit i didnt fully read it but glanced it so it might of already been covered

second: it may scuk but it acught you attention no>

If I'm scum for suggesting the plan you're dumb cause I came up with the plan before the game even started

no towns and scums can do such things it rad it as null let me whip up a post real quick

[ika]

know what i should of checked the scum count cus i was running under the assumption its 13p with 3 scums.

let em relook

pedit: i jsut noticed how fucked up it is and dont even know how it went that badly let me quote fix

[ika]

BB do you see a flaw in your plan cus i see many right now

no hit me up g money with the plan

your read on me sucks

well 2 things:
first i will admit i didnt fully read it but glanced it so it might of already been covered

second: it may scuk but it caught you attention and gave you a reason to interact with me no?

If I'm scum for suggesting the plan you're dumb cause I came up with the plan before the game even started

no towns and scums can do such things it rather it as null let me whip up a post real quick

fixed, also i should read setup first

[ika]

Hey I haven't read anything but

I believe optimal strategy is to plan out our visits tonight and to have two players visiting different people.

Player A and B visits Player X
Player C and D visits Player Y
Player E and F visits Player Z
Player G and H visits Player ?
Player I and J visits Player !

This prevents PGOs from activating without confirming them as scum and allows cop to get reports relatively safely.

It also may be optimal to no lynch and then do that twice?

Well whats to stop scums from activating and no killing?

Im trying to work it in a way that it come sout properly. it makes sense in my head but wording it is weird

god my entire idea was that this was 13p with 3 scums....

i need sleep on it.

in the meantime got any reads?

[ika]

Hey I haven't read anything but

I believe optimal strategy is to plan out our visits tonight and to have two players visiting different people.

Player A and B visits Player X
Player C and D visits Player Y
Player E and F visits Player Z
Player G and H visits Player ?
Player I and J visits Player !

This prevents PGOs from activating without confirming them as scum and allows cop to get reports relatively safely.

It also may be optimal to no lynch and then do that twice?

Well whats to stop scums from activating and no killing?

Im trying to work it in a way that it come sout properly. it makes sense in my head but wording it is weird

god my entire idea was that this was 13p with 3 scums....

i need sleep on it.

in the meantime got any reads?

...Okay so they activate and confirm themselves as scum. Oh no?

the thing is if A is town and B is scum and A+B is to visit the other scum whats to not have them activate and no-kill as a wifom?

does this take into account jking as well? cus if A+B target scum!C and A is stopped by JKer it defeats it

(im getting tired so im jsut kinda spewing stuff atm so if its answered by setup pay it not mind)

[ika]

First one, who cares, it is equivalent to NK and makes mafia waste their shot
Second one, it's possible but mafia can't predict the jailkeeper so it's implausible as a scenario?

first one: due to wifom it makes? im not gonna try to justify a flaw that you dont seem to care about
second one: thats besides the point TBH, if it can happen it should be accounted for no matter how implausible it is?

honestly i was gonna suggest we all target person below (where bottom targets top) and go from there

[ika]

i feel like i could better jsutify why the first point is vaild but i feel like this is getting nowhere fast and should be post game stuff.

but i do want you to answer this molla: why do you not account for improbable things?

[ika]

honestly i was gonna suggest we all target person below (where bottom targets top) and go from there

But we can confirm scum in my plan

...

yet i showed you a flaw and you shruged it of with "ya but its improbable"

im not gonna get down to nitty arguments about it cus its jsut going to be stupid and probally a playstyle thing so meh.

[ika]

whats not to like about persivul? so far i have seen transparency form him

[ika]

whats not to like about persivul? so far i have seen transparency form him

Not sure if serious

im off work today so im being dead serious.

[ika]

1) 180 - This reads-list from ika is painfully bad. ika could be scum.

2) Explanations for your reads in this post would be great ika.

3) PEdit - Hiiiii ika! Transparency = town? So good.

4) Can you quote some posts of his that show him doing any form of scum hunting please? Thanks.

1) well instead of potshotting you could expand on why an empty read list is bad?

2) what feels right. i just looked at everyones interactions and stuff and deduct everyones roles from it

3) glad you agree its good

4) its not the scum hunting i see from him itshis mindset of trying to understand.


are we gonna start the wagon on me again now?

[ika]

1) well instead of potshotting you could expand on why an empty read list is bad?

2) what feels right. i just looked at everyones interactions and stuff and deduct everyones roles from it

3) glad you agree its good

4) its not the scum hunting i see from him itshis mindset of trying to understand.


are we gonna start the wagon on me again now?

1) Your reads are almost the reverse of mine

2) Nah, better than that.

3) Not a town tell at all.

4) Town's job is to find scum. He isn't scum hunting, in fact, he isn't doing much at all.

I wouldn't mind a wagon you, but not toDay.

1) reversed reads =/= scum

2) well then you better start wagoning me cus the ohter reason i have is probally due to the fact i know his role right now based of his interactions

3) i never said ti was a towntell? i like to think that transparency is more town oriented then scum oriented

4) well neither am i? you know the saying "theres more then one way to skin a cat?" not every townie scum hunts. im town hunting right now so i can jsut POE push

im dissapoint you wont wagon me today

[ika]

1) Correct, but your reads are so bad they can't be coming from town.

2) Why are you talking about a single person here? I want reasoning for all your reads.

3) Semantics. CBA.

4) OK, but you're still doing something. I also prefer to town hunt D1; Persivul is doing neither.

1) they are bad cus they are not the same as your is what your saying right? do you understand how stupid that line of reasoning is and how wrong it is as well?

2) i already told you interactions. if you ahvent already realized its day fuckign 1 and 99% of the time on day 1 i go off gut calls and role reads.

3) *shrugs*

4) then we agree to disagree, if he gets wagoned heavy i will out the role i think he is cus its very mch follows a certain mindset that i see.

where bella? i rather talk to her then get into anothe petty smatic battle with you

[ika]

scum reside in ZZZX/TGS/Newbie

thats where i stand right now

[ika]

I am really busy for 3 days but it shouldnt be a problem. will read up really soon (and i will have limitless free time !)

This is scum?

do you think its not?

i mean hes null to me right now so is in my POE pool

[ika]

I am really busy for 3 days but it shouldnt be a problem. will read up really soon (and i will have limitless free time !)

This is scum?

do you think its not?

i mean hes null to me right now so is in my POE pool

Are you saying ZZZX went from scum in one post to null in the next?

did i ever say he was a scum read?

[ika]

scum reside in ZZZX/TGS/Newbie

thats where i stand right now

I am really busy for 3 days but it shouldnt be a problem. will read up really soon (and i will have limitless free time !)

This is scum?

do you think its not?

i mean hes null to me right now so is in my POE pool

^

scum reside in set player list does not mean i am expensively scum reading them.

[ika]

Talk is cheap, that's why there's no limit on posting.

but spam posting is apathising and anti-town?

[ika]

Talk is cheap, that's why there's no limit on posting.

but spam posting is apathising and anti-town?

WHat? What's apathising? And I didn't say spam posting or apathising is anti town... I said talk is cheap. Cheaper still without a vote

yet you have double the post count of everyone here (outside of YGS who is a hydra)

i will place my vote when i feel like it. rght now im geting a feel out on players due to the mere fact its day 1. when someone does soemthing that really pings me off i will place a vote but no sooner.

[ika]

GC if you were to pick the scum team who would it be right now?

[ika]

Ok... so what are you saying about my post count. You act like I brought up post count. I have no idea what you're getting at

And I'm sorry if I'm sPam posting but I'm also not. I need to respond to things as they come up. I only have a phone and reading back, catching up, and quoting stuff is a bitch

it goes to your "talk is cheap" phrase

you say its cheap and we should all be voting, but your continued antis to spam post make it look a lot more then needed and honestly make me come to this game less and less

[ika]

scum reside in ZZZX/TGS/Newbie

thats where i stand right now

Ika you should stop being bad at mafia for one game.

Just one game.

Sheep me on GC. You'll see.

i dont sheep

i do see the merits on why GC can be scum but you should also be willing to admit your own flaws as well (like how GC was showing you follwing the logic does lead to that conclusion)

GC, gun to head am i town or scum?

[ika]

i dont sheep

i do see the merits on why GC can be scum but you should also be willing to admit your own flaws as well (like how GC was showing you follwing the logic does lead to that conclusion)

GC, gun to head am i town or scum?

I just dislike game breaking strategies.

What reasons do you see for GC scum?

even if you dislike it you should be willing to admit that GC did have a point on you on that merit but this can be saved for post game.

his stances.

gtg eat i will elaborate later after poker with dunk me

[ika]

too dunk to even post coehently tommorwow

[ika]

good antis town.

i should run iso and see who needs to be in POE cus its been a while

[ika]

town list:
anti
ika
bbmolla
lane
percival
shar

ayone outside of that is in POE zone

prefrence of lynch:
YGS/Nebie, GC, ZZZX

[ika]

That hurts.

what hurts?

pedit: whats yours? i feel like we can just get this game done pronto

[ika]

I'm POE.

ika, you're breaking my heart.

well if it helps, your not high on POE list. your low priority

i find that just POEing and re organizing about 20 times works out well for me.

pedit:

@anti: is it going to be sad when we win it this fast and be right?

@GC: you realize percival is very likely to be town? i dont undersant a scum read on him in the slightest

[ika]

Ika, do you see any reason for us to be scum?

If you read my post you should understand.

I could elaborate but then it gets into a meta/WIFOM argument that i know you dont care for

pedit: ehhh agree to disagree then, he seems to lack a conviction being scum or having a scummate. we can dicuss it later when it comes up to it but i would leave him for a day. im 99% sure i have most peoples role pegged already

[ika]

I do understand Ika.

I don't understand why you're not town reading us.

@Anti - I would rather lynch GC or Persivul over Newbie.

~BBT

ok here i will give you a bone, why should i be town reading you?

[ika]

Ugh, horrible question.

well you kinda walked into it so you have nobody to blame but yourself

[ika]

In other words, neither my ika or GC reads had anything to do with low performance. You both just assumed.

but assuming thisgs is how you play right?

(ps HI ANTI)

[ika]

anti, if newbie is town we lynch GC next right?

BB still town anti, i would figure scum!BB would push the plan knowinng the flaws. the fact BB hasnt is more town telling.

[ika]

How would it be a gut feeling that I'm being aloof? That doesn't make sense. I would have to "physically" show aloofness somewhere in my posts.

Also, I'm getting a "gut" feeling that you're just now thinking over all of his reasons.

Are you going to change your vote to sthar or are you keeping it on me because of anti's gut feelings?

based of how we feel?

like its not that hard

[ika]

bitch plz you dont miss me at all

[ika]

anti vote newbie so i can hammer and be happy

[ika]

VOTE: newbie

HAMMAH TIME BITCH

btw im tot going to random.org my visit just to fuck with everyone

[ika]

oh, ika

Why'd you have to do something so scummy?

We don't have a claim.

to first quote: cus i can

to second: fuck claims i want to vist someone so i can go claim cop guilty or innno and then POE the game

[ika]

ika stop being terrible please.

Everyone visit up one. No time to pair.

bitch plz.

i love you man but you know i am not going to really change on day 1s. day 2 ill be more open to shit but day 1? fuck that

[ika]

i do

VOTE: YGS

votes not moving either.

anti sheep me

[ika]

what happened to the GC scum read BBT?

[ika]

also im going to make myself look super scummy by stating that it was obvious BB was jker based off how he was going "we dont need to worry about JKer"

[ika]

anti, its obvious its YGS/GC

lets just lyncht hem andbe done with it

[ika]

anti, its obvious its YGS/GC

lets just lyncht hem andbe done with it

I upgraded from POE to obvscum?

Your not voting YGS?

you eblieve its both so why does it matter who we lynch first, i beleive its YGS more then perv

[ika]

seriously one between YGS & Persiv is scum

i quote you one of them is scum

i am unconvinced persci is scum atm

i am convinced YGS is scum atm

i will fucking yell at anti if he tries to deviate from me so ya, gl with that

pedit: i alreadh have ideas

[ika]

VCA is easily manipulative just an FYI

[ika]

@ anti, ika: why did you let D1 devolve into a quick lynch:
- without giving Newbie opportunity for claim or other defense, and
- when night visiting strategy was still being discussed but hadn't been settled. Particularly anti - you seemed to think the strategy was pretty important at one point.

he was either scum or VT

[ika]

@grand cayman (or anyone else who wants to answer): Who are/were the best players in this game in your opinion? What skills make them good?

nobody, and yes this is 100% including myself.

anyone who thinks they are the best is full of ego shit and need their shit checked.

there are few players i consider "best" or even good

[ika]

i just say we all vist GC tonight to not allow scum to pogo anyone now

[ika]

dont worry if im alive tommorow i will look for associative/unaligneds

[ika]

anti can we lynch YGS tommorow?

[ika]

anti can we lynch YGS tommorow?

Are you anti's kid brother or something?

nah, me and anti are reall masons

[ika]

we lynch today if games not over we target person below that way even if they get a kill it goes to 3p lylo

[ika]

so ZZZX is town
im town
antis town

[ika]

We're pretty much conf town after Persivul's flip.

Try again Lane.

tell lane and the people here why you should be considered conf town

[ika]

Cause the were on pers all the time. Sthar8 also had pers in his reads as scum most of the time beside the snippet he had him in the idgaf Category. And you called anti and ZZZX town. So you must be the last scum

are you willing to vote YGS after you get proven wrong?

[ika]

also i could remind you that theres a thing called bussing

i would expect town BBT to push prev much harder. also you forget that they were also voting GC

[ika]

im convinced it between YGS/Shar

[ika]

make this shars warning to give out info.

when ig et on break form work im hammer weater he posted or not

[ika]

vote shar and i will gladly hammer and be done with this. if not we all target below and i go into a huge rage fest

[ika]

lol at BBT slip

VOTE: shar

dont worry shar, we are no lynching tommorow if its all of us however i can see where tis going to end up

[ika]

lol