Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[pieguyn]

Is terrible. As is the continued asking for froggingmollie to back their shit up, when it's kinda obvious what's going on. Cancel my town-read on that slot for now.

what is terrible about it?

honestly, MS is probably the only player I'd allow something like that from - as has been alluded to several times over the course of the game, he has somewhat of an ... anti-town ... playstyle. it's a meta read based specifically on MS. put bluntly, I think MS just fucked up and mollie is scum latching onto it because of how awful it looks. she knows there really is no logical explanation for what MS-town did, so she keeps pressuring him and pulls this up whenever she wants to push him as scum in order to discredit any kind of argument for him being town.

this kind of behavior is extremely typical of scum - and in fact, I have actually had scum do this exact same thing to me in a previous game when I had similarly fucked up on how I used a PR. they kept pushing me over that while ignoring my actual response to their arguments, which they did because they knew I had no good-looking explanation for it, and so it functioned as an easy excuse to discredit me.

you will notice her latest wall post to me pulls it up in response to literally every point I made. she's not actually backing up her viewpoint here; she's just using it over and over again as a reason to discredit potential arguments for him being town

in short, I think mollie is BS'ing here. and the best way to pressure this is to actually force her to explain further why she's pushing MS as scum. but she instead goes "nup, lol MS lied" and "nup, I've explained it already" every time she's asked.

This focus on his votes is really survivalist and weird. He's not even using it to make comments on the people voting him, it's all about the votes. Also, the post almost acknowledges the lack of content...ugh. Is this pinging for anyone else?

yes

@White night, Do you see scum mollie if MS is scum? Or more likely if MS town?

they're likely not both scum

full disclosure, I likely wouldn't give that much of a shit about defending MS here if the way mollie wasn't pushing him wasn't this fucking awful

[pieguyn]

In general any sort of AtE disgusts me and is like turn off central. So I almost want to spite both and lynch someone else.

/support

except the turnoff for me is "people blindly trusting other people and their reads without any actual reasoning involved". you have no idea how much what mollie/ika/MS are doing make me want to punch them in the face regardless of what their alignment here actually is

I'm still up for a Boo lynch - and her flipping scum would at the least make it obvious MS is town here. what do you make of ZZZX? I fucking hated his latest post, more or less bc it's yet another easy throwaway angle and doesn't consider the motivation behind what I'm actually doing.

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or "out of RVS" that happened here

*mattered

[pieguyn]

wooooo GG!

mollie, while I agree stuff like tactical replace outs shouldn't be allowed, I really didn't like where your attitude towards MS was this game. accusing him of throwing his town meta on purpose, for example, is a really harsh accusation and one that I would similarly have taken offense to if someone accused me of it - and this played in a part in why I was scum reading you here. similarly with elusive. that said, I hope there's no hard feelings about the way I took issue with your attitude in this game.

I was worried at first how this game would turn out bc of all the drama on D1, but everyone did really really well after I died. and we would have even had Boo D1 if I fought harder to lynch her

/neighbor PT

[pieguyn]

fun fact, this was supposed to be me and Brian Skies, but Brian was busy so I was playing solo the whole time. but occasionally he'd come in time to time and ISO selective players. he gave 3 reads (Plum town, dragon scum, I forgot the 3rd) and they were 3/3 (and he agreed with me on the dragon post I thought was really awful D1).

we could have had back-to-back scum lynches ;w;

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Ankamius, you did a great job as Mod.

also, this. thx for the game \:D/

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and that gives you cause for lying?

about list mod interaction and about the reasons why nacho didn't want to replace into this game?

Jesus fucking christ. METAL WAS NOT LYING. *YOU* ARE THE ONE WHO HAS CONVINCED YOURSELF THAT HE DID.

Saying that he's "lying" about why Nacho didn't want to replace in is also bullshit. He would not have known the actual reason for Nacho/you avoiding each other. Wrong, yes, but he's not purposefully lying, and you accusing him of doing so is fucking horrible (and I cannot believe that you would actually take such an attitude. I wanted to believe in game that it was just because you were scum making it up, but, apparently not).

Just shut the fuck up about this, please. I don't agree with everything he did, but the way you handled this was outright toxic and it took every ounce of restraint I had to not just snap at you in a similar vein to what he did in-game. PROTIP: You accusing him of "lying" is likely one of the OOG reasons he's bringing up for how he reacted to you in this game, and I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH HIM. It's low to lie about something like that, or "throw your town meta" regardless of what your alignment actually is.

If you show me where he "lied" about listmod interaction (and that he actually did lie instead of you getting caught up in thinking he lied and that he couldn't possibly have actually told the truth here), I'll be content to retract the above statements and I apologize. But I can't just sit here and watch this anymore.

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And yes, I am very kind 90% of the time, but stuff like this is what sets off the 10% and I can be pretty awful when something has legitimately pissed me off. Soooo.