Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[ika]

/confirm

[ika]

thats 10 lets get the show on the road:

VOTE: elusive

talk to me and get your RQS rolling

[ika]

Ok i got called into work so im going to make it breif:

mollie, im town too. here my gameplan:

sort out elusive
sort out grib
sort out you (shouldnt be long)

i have sevral lgith town reads already on grib and elusive for meta reasons.

i am moving on though to more serious stuff:

VOTE: singer

no comments but only confirmations?

mollie, i am presuming you can sort singer fast? i have little experince with her so im seeing how much you know

[ika]

i will respond proper to a lot of other things after work cus i skimped and there were sevral thing si wanted to respond to in deph

[ika]

Ok so i just got home and i see 4 pages.

Sigh this is going to be a fun game....

That being said, im going to be breif again (i just got off work and am now relaxing for the hr then going out drinking and crap)

MS, i know why your doing that but stop its going to paranoia mollie a bunch shes town

that also being said hydrgena is anohter scumspect of mine

[ika]

give me 15 and i should be able to quote/respond to things that i want to

[ika]

Vote: ZZZX

Not at all RVS. This is a policy lynch. Basically for Pathfinder Mafia and I have it on good authority that Pathfinder Mafia was not a unique occurrence.

Good to dance with you again, ika.

Plz dont remind me of waltz game, I still feel guilty about manipulating mollie like that.

Heh. I already have two townreads. This should be fun.

VOTE: Bookitty

Whos the second?

onto page 2

[ika]

Ribbit!

Hi everyone. Fro99er half of Frogging Mollie here. Just introducing myself. I've played about 3-4 real life mafia games with Mollie/Singer and some others not in this game. Only one forum mafia game complete (newbie 1593) - did fairly well D1 and most of D2. Got frustrated D3. Hence hydra-ing with Mollie felt like a good move to learn a bit more. I'm in two other newbie games now as well. I'd consider myself a quick learner though.

Wecome to the game i have heard about your arrival and am excited to see how this unfolds

Ok i got called into work so im going to make it breif:

mollie, im town too. here my gameplan:

sort out elusive
sort out grib
sort out you (shouldnt be long)

i have sevral lgith town reads already on grib and elusive for meta reasons.

y am i not first

i am moving on though to more serious stuff:

VOTE: singer

no comments but only confirmations?

mollie, i am presuming you can sort singer fast? i have little experince with her so im seeing how much you know

not as fast as I can sort metal

VOTE: metal

mollie your always first, you know that. they are just ohter players that i need to sort out cus if you die early (and seriously if someon kills mollie n1 im going to be mad) i need others that i can relay to and talk to

VOTE: mollie

this is for u!

-.-

MS, mollie is not day 1 lynch. unless her slot does a scum claim i will fucking defend it to the end. we have a new player and givene the fact he also had a bad newbie game i would like to at least hold off trying to lynch the slot day 1

mollie town

ika town

MS town?

add in grib and elusive and i think we are set atm

Heh. I already have two townreads. This should be fun.

VOTE: Bookitty

elaborate

he should but im about 99% sure hes going to say im town off my meta right away (in b4 he doesnt to trick me). I would like to hear his other though

[ika]

@pie

okay, looks like you will have to sign.

also, maybe i am getting rebound syndrome but mollie's push on me without trying to interact with me in a meaningful way is really disgusting. it reminds me of a recent game.

@ mollie:

i am assuming nick refers to me? cos when the hell did you ever refer to me as nick

and what are you feeling pretty good about? about your vote on me or are you like townreading me now. gold sounds like a good thing

MS, elaborate on how you think its not meaningful? if your refencing nightless, then thats easy to expalin mostly cus you were scum

Ooh, I haven’t played this game but the visuals and some of the instrumentals are epic. Lush.

I like Plum’s take on policy lynch, it is my own view. I’d rather take a replace or force replace over PL any day.
ZZZX needs to confirm anyway if they are going to be in the game. I have no clue what their playstyle is but this is game and it can get a bit rough, if you don’t like roughness then leave players who do like it\engage in it or don’t mind alone or change your approach to them. If you poke a tiger with a stick and it bites your head off then you’re the imbecile not the tiger.
Frogger, welcome! It’s easy to get frustrated. I’m not newish anymore and I’m still figuring out coping mechanisms for frustration. Recently, I’ve been trying using GIFs to replace words. So I’ll find a GIF that captures my feelings (roll eyes, punch wall, etc) and post that instead of words because words can get tricky.

I’m not sure why Metal Sonic unovted me after sheeping ika, what did he resolve about my lack of posts or anything? Why is he sheeping ika? What the what? Votes jump around a bit too much.

RQS Questions
If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot
1. Which element would you choose (theme related) – Water, Wind, or Warmth?
2. Choose a player you’ve played with already in this game and describe their town vs. scum meta
3. Choose a player you don’t know at all and ask them a question.

TIA

P-Edit: Don't like singer's vote on the player who hasn't even confirmed, it avoids direct interactions with anyone.

VOTE: Singer

wind
grib town meta is to be fluff and trolly to a sense but abel to make lighthearted humor in it all and be entertaining
grib scum meta is to be kinda deflective and not do much at all
adrius whats your relation to plume scince you seem to knwo her

vote: ZZZX

ill bite: reason?

Have I slipped into some bizarre parallel universe where people take the RQS business at least semi-seriously?

elusive takes it very seriosuly and i take it serious as well. if you have a porblem theres not much i can say

Mmm, I've commented/addressed the people I've noticed so far, meaning ika hasn't really stood out to me despite his vote. Of the three, MS with a WNI as a soft-distance buddy. Also, you've played with me before. Why did you choose me as the person you don't know at all?

Also, my vote was not in RVS, you're right. Discuss.

oh really? im dissapoined, singer, i got a question for you as well. If you were scum who would you kill n1 and why?

pedit: yes mollie its 12 pm here and i just got off a 5 hr work shift and one of my associates is also off work so we are going to hang

[ika]

but im here atm if you need me im mostly caught up on my stuff

pedit: LIES AND SLANDER, you are very creative mollie and you know that.

[ika]

ika, I think you are townreading metal for dumb reasons.

don't hand me that "OMG HE DROPPED A SPESHUL TELL" cos he deliberately did that shit in organic and he is lying about what is going on here between he and I. he is catering his game to you by kissing your ass and you are gobbling it up like candy! I think you underestimate scum!metal he knows how to meta dodge (I told froggy this in gchat).

Oh im aware of his blaiteny buddying of me and he should be aware that ass-kissing does not work on me unless if you are someone i know very well and have a high regard to. However Im leting him do it for now jsut to see how it plays out. Fair?

That being said I do want to try to sort out the others (grib/elusive mainly) and bounce reads with you on other people so if one of us dies we have a good grasp for the other.

Got any reads on andy/plum or ykari?

pedit one sec ill respond

[ika]

@ika...I think that would depend on who my scum buddies were. If Mollie was town then probably her because I think she doubts me the most and I wouldn't trust my ability to get away with manipulating her. If she was one of my scum buddies then I would defer to her judgement as I make no claim to have any sense of strategic ability whatsoever and will just roll over if it's not someone currently scumreading me, lol.

What did you hope to gain with that question and did you?

That was a really dumb way to phrase that question. >_>

@ika...re: your question...what information were you hoping to gain from me with that question? Did you gain that information? How/why/why not?

I'll try not to be so wall-y in the future.

Also...hydrangea, bookitty, yukari, grib (a little less so), hi how are you engage pls

I was hoping to see how you would react and how you go about it. I short, i wanted to see your mindset. And yes your answer is sufficent enough to me. The how/why will come anohter time if you dont mind. I like to keep some secretes atm

UNVOTE:

ika

are you literally telling MS off for voting Frogmollie because new player in hydra? Uh, seriously? Even if you're disinclined to actually lynch them today - suggesting that no pressure on them Day 1 is the right course of action? Really? Or is this just in conjunction with your early read on them or whatever?

Preview edits: What Frogmollie is saying to ika just reinforces my feelings about constructive vs. unconstructive uses of meta as a tool. Ugh. Also singer basically asks my question too. That works.

I never said not to pressure them, i said not to lynch them. But if you want to take the literal context of "dont presusre them" then i would say no. Mollie can hold her own very well but i like to give new players to the site a day to get into a game and get used to it. My early read could argubly play bias into it but if its player that someone has told me about i tend to give them day 1 pass. If its some random player that i have no knowlage about its fair game.

Can you clairify the preview thing i dont understand

[ika]

ika is a townlean for being interested in the game. elusive is a stronger townlean for her pregame post ('/hope' is such a town!elusive thing to do) and for her first game post

you saw it too then didnt you.

thats why i had early town on her

[ika]

ika - Telling a player that we're basically not lynching Frogmollie no matter what Day 1 in response to his vote - the one vote on them - on page 3 - is telling someone not to pressure, not to not lynch.

Clarifying: I felt sympathetic to what Formollie was saying about MS buddying up to you and stuff surrounding that. Obviously there are some players here who already have a rapport/feel comfortable declaring Town reads on one another pretty quickly based on things - meta or something related to it - that most other players here don't have resources to really see as alignment-indicative. And such things - that Grib's post about two Townreads for a blatant example, but also WNI's forst list of Townreads and your response - are particularly useless to, say, myself. And lack of transparency can make it harder for me to be able to figure out what's just rapport and what looks like scum buddying or the like. But your response specifically about the buddying from MS is sensible enough.

fair enough. I did kinda lay off after it but if things do pick up i will porbally step in myself out of my own nature.

how about this then, do you think anyone here who is going "person is town based on metea" or un specified read list is scum right now? what are your thoughts on players? your also relativly new (to me at least) so we can talk for a bit.

I do have a question that i asked any but i will ask you, do you 2 know each other IRL or something?

[ika]

my top

[ika]

grib, what are you?

[ika]

ok so im about to head out for guys afernoon fun

so heres a read list for everyone to dicuss while im out:

town:
boo
elusive
Frogging Mollie (pirate mollie + Frogger)
ika

lean towns:
Andrius
Grib
plume
White Night Imagination

nulls/scums
6. Hydrangea
8. Metal Sonic
12. Yukari
13. ZZZX

yes POE is that fast and easy

[ika]

singer is in null

i trust mollie more to sort her then me also i know signers inhernt nature of reactivity

[ika]

catching up will be doing one page at a time starting on 5

[ika]

add in grib and elusive and i think we are set atm

can you walk me through these? namely elusive

ika is a townlean for being interested in the game. elusive is a stronger townlean for her pregame post ('/hope' is such a town!elusive thing to do) and for her first game post.

do you think she wouldn't think to fake "/hope" as scum?

first quote: its meta take it as you like.

sceond (i know i answer this later) but she is not good enough IMO to actively think out spelling /hope as scum yet.

grib, what are you?

I am the Witchhunter.

(town)

is this 1 of those dumb fakeclaims where you try to fish out players based on the roleclaim when all it does is successfully out speshuls due to set-up design? its like fishing off of a vt role pm and it shld never be done. hai metal

god I wish you pple wld stop doing this. it never works out and then you wonder why scum win so many games you play in.

you are in the unsure pile

No grib and i have a long history of askign what each other is as a interaction question and then claim to be something stupid

very sorry to have not engaged yet. Finishing off a uni assignment that is due today so these last few days I have barely been on mafia. After today I will have a chance to read and engage. Again apologies.

here let me motivate you a bit VOTE: Hydrangea

also I am probs not gonna answer elusive's questions I think they are pointless and idc if she thinks it is a scumclaim. it isn't. it is me wanting to get shit done cos I usually have the lifespan of a housefly when I am town and I don't have time to cater things that I don't feel like is particularly meaningful.

mebbe I am just uncreative.

This post could have just been you answering RQS questions instead of passive aggressively being passive aggressive but okey dokey smokey.



ika, please don't jinx this game . I adore how engaged people are you don't know how horrific it is to be in a game where out of 13 players only 3 are active and trying to figure out the game.

Trust me mollie will shut me down way before i jinx it. Im just hoping you realize shes town and the last thing i want to see is a death tunnle

that being said: mollie/frog could you plz answer the questions. they may not seem like much but it helps out elusive

do you think she wouldn't think to fake "/hope" as scum?

what in her first game post was town?

I do not believe elusive would think to do that as scum.

Her first post very strongly reflects her town meta. ika can back me up on this.

grib, what are you?

I am the Witchhunter.

(town)

is this 1 of those dumb fakeclaims where you try to fish out players based on the roleclaim when all it does is successfully out speshuls due to set-up design? its like fishing off of a vt role pm and it shld never be done. hai metal

god I wish you pple wld stop doing this. it never works out and then you wonder why scum win so many games you play in.

you are in the unsure pile

No, it was a joke. There's a variant of mafia called WitchHunt that I love to play, so sometimes I make jokes about Witches.

w/r/t the bolded: why are you automatically assuming that your speculation is accurate?

Backing up the first acusation that elusive would be highly unlikely do do it as scum

this is also why me and grib joke a lot

singer is in null

i trust mollie more to sort her then me

also i know signers inhernt nature of reactivity

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this.

dont worry about it

Singer, why did you feel the need to confirm asap (my bad on stating first I meant trying to confirm quickly) because of a theory? Or do you know what I'm saying? Why need to appear town based on an unproven theory rather then just be comfortable being town and doing actions that are more solid with town?


Mollie, try to let newbie speak more because that arrogant bs you pulled in DOA well it was annoying then and it will be in this game if you keep it up. At least ika has some charm to back up his particular spelling\grammar choices yours just scream some lack of idk awareness. Also just because ika likes you doesn't matter jack to me so kudos on descending into the uncouth so quickly.

elusive, im going to be blunt on this, i will not hesitiate to lash out on you for doing this shit. this is what is uneeded. mollie has that approach she has that can be preceved as that (im trying to take it FYPOV) but you need not to do this.

Mollie is a freind to me much like you are also my freind but you know as well as mollie does my inherent nature to quickly go at anyone who does thigns of the such. so far i see mollie doing her typical play of trying to figure people out

[ika]

Am I being too word-picky in reading this

Why should we trust anyone when atm the only role we can be sure of is our own?

as a Rolecop slip?

who said that? i will look into context mysefl

Ok yukari is scum. I am sure about this. Everyone should sheep me now.

reason?

Hahahaha ok you have failed all the tests

I won't let scum get away this time

Let's up the ante. I'm placing my bet.

i am ori. Any counterclaims?


I want people to sheep me and vote yukari within their next post. With blind faith at least. Go.

Your call.

calimg to be protagonist does not mean you are town just an FYI.

Good. Call the bet. Self vote and get me lynched tomorrow

nah we can lynch hydra dude first

[ika]

that catchup was faster then expectied so far my reads havent changed much but moving ms into scum zone with hydra

sleep now

[ika]

Yukari said it.

I still think Sonic is town.

meh i disagree.

how about we lynch that inavtive hydrageton slot first and then deal with MS

Ill look into yukari later

[ika]

Grib go check up nightless mafi in the team mafia thread.

[ika]

we are lynchign metal sonic

[ika]

hes not town.

ZZZX get in here and vote his ass. elusive join us and we can sort eveyone tommoorw with mollie/frogger.

boo hury up with work plz

[ika]

If you want to convince me, or even if you don't, you'll have to do better than agreeing that you're not doing anything.

is this directed at me or WK?

[ika]

That was to WNI, sorry.

its fine, anyway while you are here whats your read on the following:

andy, hydra, yukari, ZZZX

[ika]

VOTE: metal sonic

better mollie?

[ika]

ika - your vote on me seems pretty weak considering how many other players there are with actual content to read and consider, you could have made a more informed decision based on people with content. But I don't fault you for doing something to try get me more into the game. Am I correct in assuming your vote on me stems from my lack of activity?

before i forget about this

yes it does, my vote did stem from your lack of activity. how many gaames of mafia have you played?

town or scum?

got any reads yet?

[ika]

Okay, I have finally divested myself of my irksome companions. (Work crap, too boring to even contemplate explaining.)

I haven't gotten to that read BUT I'm fixing to commute home and then I can read to my heart's content for a little while

I do think Ika and Pirate Mollie are town. I don't care if Plum has her eye on me except to be happy I'm noticed. I will say that I think people get nervous of Mollie as scum and that the behaviours I was pointing out are not unique to this game. I imagine she'll back me up on the fact that she often gets chainsawed as town.

I will read and have commentary this evening. I apologise for the stupid delay.

BOOO!

talk to me plz when your done

[ika]

I can talk now if we're quick, I just can't read over it again.

Yeah, I'm good with the Metal Sonic thing. Not sold on WNI and I just don't get Yukari, which is why I need to read. People with complex personal stories that need to be considered before understanding their posts just... I'm not good with that. I think it's probably a failing on my part.

Not sold on WNI as scum.

Sorry, that was not clear and upon refreshing the page I realised it.

Ok ill make it breif then cus i got stuff too:

reads on plum, andy, hydra

right now there people are my blind/POE spots that i want to sort out everyone else to me is kinda self resloving

[ika]

Ika I'm not sold on metal.

Sell it to me if you even want me to think about it perhaps? What makes his play the same as say nless and not like DT?

DT?

im already sold cus when i watched nightless go on mollie had him peged from entracne and mollie is top town read so i trust her a lot more.

it took you a very long while to decide on MS scum so i take your idea for a grain right now. yes im being kinda dick to you but im telling you not only is he scum btu im not going to tolarate his massifve cap/bold/spam post that he has already done

[ika]

Ika I'm not sold on metal.

Sell it to me if you even want me to think about it perhaps? What makes his play the same as say nless and not like DT?

DT?

im already sold cus when i watched nightless go on mollie had him peged from entracne and mollie is top town read so i trust her a lot more.

it took you a very long while to decide on MS scum so i take your idea for a grain right now. yes im being kinda dick to you but im telling you not only is he scum btu im not going to tolarate his massifve cap/bold/spam post that he has already done

Double trap


Also I understand your point but I don't really lynch town reads that easily. I CAN be wrong but prove that I am and I will follow. Its just that simple

theres no way to really prove it besides trust me and mollie?

also if we are going off double trap it would come and show how bad sonic is if anything.

how about what are your reads atm then as a change of pace

[ika]

may I plz have a link to double trap?

I just wanna know what you guys are talking about.

I am getting ready to make shrimp fajitas and will probs be out for the night.

ONLY COS I DON"T WANT A LYNCH WHILE I AM GONE

UNVOTE:

I am not ready for the day to end.

goddamn

its the ohter team mafia game

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=61160

MS replaced in and blindly tunnled quilford who was town and used the most stupidest arguments of meta

[ika]

WTF ika... Mollie might be scum, you know she can meta dodge. She is wrong don't throw the game by voting me do you think this is a bastard game wtf?

I dont give a damn. your spam/cap/large/bold posting is shitty and narcatic and annoying and does nothing but piss me off.

how about instead of suspecting everyone who suspects you as scum you talk to them instead of OMGUSing them every 5 seconds

pedit: MS, convince me why mollie is scum outside of "she can subvert meta" like humor me on this, i need a good chuckle.

[ika]

:/

Mollie is antagonizing me like I trying really hard not to spam here


She's using mollieclout to push a free day 1 ms mislynch? Like look at all my past game a wagon on me d1 is a wagon on town me. Mollie should know this better and town Mollie should have disengaged already (she just unvoted, so that counts too, but ugh)

mollie doesnt disengage untill you either turn town or she gets her lynch fyi.

so ya, i find your point to be mostly bias.

like if you want a lynch we can do hydra but im not touching the molie lynch with a 20 foot poll

pedit: sigh if we are all going to be subjected to yukari should i jsut iso and role hunt?

[ika]

im heading out i will iso when i get home if im not in bad state of mind

pedit: can you make a checkist for me while im out i need stuff so i dont gloss over in catchup

[ika]

5 mins i might or mihgt now have a post

if i dont expet me to post ommorow

[ika]

Just an fyi im paritaly durnk atm so if i come off abraisve/jerkish i do not mean it intentionaly. Im aware enought to be consius but now awrare enough to know if im bein dick

@Everyone, assuming we are town and MS is lying about seeing our role, would you think there is any chance MS could still be town?

truth is, i dont give a flying fuck about assumptions on day 1. i rahter deal with facts and truth. so unless if your speaking in abosloute fuck that

I guess by default ika but I don't really know ika that well so a very precautionary not-on-board stance. >_>

claurify what you mean by this?

Because I am pretty derpy! I'll explain it after the game if you guys are still interested.

yes i fully expect an explimation post game, i take your relace then not as null but seriously, take mollie off for day fucking one and tell me (yes i know yuari but someon eslse as fuckign well)

Also, apparently I've played with more people than I thought because now that I remember Yukari, I was in the newbie game with them I think last fall and they were mislynched for being..."off" if I remember correctly. I have a hard time associating "one-off" games I've played with people and remembering much about them. >_>

Actually, Yukari was VT (like you in that game), but they were endgamed. I'm digging through to see if they were scumread at any point (and if so, why). Or if they were town read the whole way through and if that playstyle fits the current playstyle in any way.

what?

also frogger mollie is still town to me

ill get to hydra respons in a sec

[ika]

Boo if you dont give damned read list in y9our next pst im prob voting you. i know you as town have the potential to wreck shit but right now you havent amazed me

[ika]

ok @yukari

i read it and meh im too drunk to give a in deph on it but its goood enoufh got now.

but one question:

gun to head: am i town or scum?

UNVOTE:

i need to reval everyone reads wehn im sobered thers to mant town/nulls

[ika]

if anyone in game is here plz talkt o me

[ika]

I am here but I don't think you want to talk to me

Ill talk to you as long as its not about fucking molie. cus ill state right now, you are do drop her untill i sort her myself

how about this, talk to me about andy, yukari, plume, booitty, hydra

if you cast mollie is bad light about trying to lynch you after she unvoted i will move my damn vote back

[ika]

Also, apparently I've played with more people than I thought because now that I remember Yukari, I was in the newbie game with them I think last fall and they were mislynched for being..."off" if I remember correctly. I have a hard time associating "one-off" games I've played with people and remembering much about them. >_>

Actually, Yukari was VT (like you in that game), but they were endgamed. I'm digging through to see if they were scumread at any point (and if so, why). Or if they were town read the whole way through and if that playstyle fits the current playstyle in any way.

what?

I will explain this to you slowly.

Singer said she was in a game with Yukari.
Singer thought she remembered that Yukari got mislynched (as in, town getting lynched).
I looked up that game and Yukari was town.
But Yukari was not lynched and was endgamed instead.
The rest is me saying I was going to read that game for playstyle reads on Yukari.

What are you drinking? I'd like some (no, seriously, I would like some. It's 1am and I'm still not tipsy!).

ok that make sense, i prsume this is mollie? mollie if it is can you give me an idea of where you are atm?

as for what i have been drinking, it was poker night so im about 3-4 margaitas in as well as a shot of somethign (i dont recall) so im very very emotioanl bound atm'

pedti: fucking hell, sigh. can you do me a favor and give me a steamline of read and if possible reasons?

[ika]

Lolwut? This is Fro99er.

check my predit. now be usefull or i will jsut fucking resort to mollie

I am here but I don't think you want to talk to me

Ill talk to you as long as its not about fucking molie. cus ill state right now, you are do drop her untill i sort her myself

how about this, talk to me about andy, yukari, plume, booitty, hydra

if you cast mollie is bad light about trying to lynch you after she unvoted i will move my damn vote back

Andy is Mia. I want to see his comments about all this

Yukari is a scummyscumfuck. I looked at their meta already but I can only post full length on com. Just simply their town play is more like able and confused about who is town or scum. Here they seem like faking confusion about lame stuff like the setup. They also have been doing fuck all the whole game except tunnel on me. No reads in their ISO. In their town games they have townreads. No townreads over here. They are scum basically


Bookitty is my 2nd top scumread. Their 2nd post just hit my scumdar quite bad but I don't know how to explain it. And her recent posts are 0 content so not fantastic.


I like hydra for Sheeping me on yukari so my answer is probably biased so don't ask me. Ps: I think they are town

ok let mebe more direct cus i was not looking for "scum/town cus meta"

jsutify the reads outside of god dan metas and if you are goin to pull quote and stuff tat makes it fucking huge plz spoiler it

[ika]

ok spoiler your case on yukari if it requires quote and dont use meta

also tell me more about your bookitty read cus i read it as sheepig singer atm

[ika]

snip

plz do, im not in a good mood or porper to really give the incentive to do it myself atm. i really jsut need some people i trust in this game to give me some dicussion and stuff to bpunce off of

pedti:sigh....

ill talk to frogger about it then im drunk sobering so telling me to do shit is not a good idea. im aware enough but not good enough to do that shit

[ika]

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plz do, im not in a good mood or porper to really give the incentive to do it myself atm. i really jsut need some people i trust in this game to give me some dicussion and stuff to bpunce off of

You trust Mollie, but do you trust me?

But yes, I will pull up some Yukari ISO/quotes in due time. It's 2am here. Maybe in the morning.

you share same slot. so thers that.

however i take mollies reds much more into accoutn atm then you tbf. i have yet to see you in action so i am weary to sheep your reads compared to mollie

[ika]

mollie what are your thoughts atm?

ZZZX why is hydra null?

[ika]

mollie tell me when your caught up plz i would like to sync with you on ppl

pedit: -.-

[ika]

ok outside of metal atm.

whats your reads on boo, any, yukari, plume?

VOTE: metal

im going with mollie on this.

WNI: do it plz i trust mollie a lot more then i trust myself and it would make the game 10 times easier

[ika]

Ugh, mollie's post makes sense. And if it's true, that's actually really, really shitty? I also kind of hate using OOG information as evidence in a game. It just spoils the fun.

Haven't been keeping track of votes so I'll hold off for now.

Grib, do something trolly so i feel good about your slot again. your non-existance worries me

[ika]

Wait, no, I already did that.

ika, stop confusing me. And don't tell me my lack of presence bothers you when I made a point of telling everyone I wouldn't really be here much.

i didnt notice you said that. but this post did give me a good chuckle and makes me feel better about you

[ika]

could we have vc while you are here?

[ika]

this is going to make great wagon anlasis later

elusive dear, you good to do it for us when it comes?

[ika]

ok outside of metal atm.

whats your reads on boo, any, yukari, plume?

VOTE: metal

im going with mollie on this.

WNI: do it plz i trust mollie a lot more then i trust myself and it would make the game 10 times easier

Don't trust Mollie ffs

Trust me more

no, you dont get my trust. you will never fucking get it.

like the fact is this: i trust mollies reads more then my own when i can read her as town. and right now shes a beacon of town to me so im trusting her 10 times more.

back in HU2 i was toying aournd with titus beign town and sevral other things. but mollie point blank, shut me out of ever posting cus i was letting outs. all your doing here is being stupid with "trust me more" and this and that shit.

also added in you fucked went and said you called 5 listmods? only to say "oh i cant do that"? like sriously? sonice just stop. im at the point of not caring about your alignemnt and jsut want you gone

[ika]

hai grib, can you talk to me about reads?

[ika]

mollie: please link me to Sonic's Nightless posts that are similar to his play here, or maybe reflect why he is playing this way.

ill garcia it and link you myself

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=61168

mollie whos you other scum read again? cus im gonna be on agrement on MS (and MS dont even fucking apease to me i dont want to hear you right now)

whats yours thoughts on yukari?

[ika]

I asked for posts, not the game thread.

fucking hell grib.....

mollie can do that for me then. im not that much in effort but i know she will do it.

grib, why is bella and ZX in POE?

whats your town case on yukari btw?

WNI: why is ZX scum (im presuming you have him on scum lean at least)

[ika]

-.-

[ika]

im done here

bye

[ika]

mollie, can you talk to me plz?

pediti: meh, i find it null form him but whateveer your not listening to someone who WENT THOUGH A GOD DAMN NIGHTLESS GAME WHERE HE WAS SCUM

like i know you can be good pie but right now your too far in confermation bias due to it.

[ika]

mollie: please link me to Sonic's Nightless posts that are similar to his play here, or maybe reflect why he is playing this way.

ill garcia it and link you myself

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=61168

mollie whos you other scum read again? cus im gonna be on agrement on MS (and MS dont even fucking apease to me i dont want to hear you right now)

whats yours thoughts on yukari?

I have metal/wni/andy slot for right now. I think there is a bunch of derp going on which scum will try to take advantage of and might succeed amazingly at it depending on if we lynch metal or not.

andy slot is a weaker scumread but it is there for now.

and yukari?

[ika]

pie im about "this" close from lsoing it.

you are aware if he does live im not going to be doing jack shit untill hes gone right?

[ika]

I get that you're trusting mollie, etc., but put bluntly, I fucking hate the way she's pushing him. I won't sheep a push that has obvious scum intent and literally no fucking reasoning outside of MS "replacing out". and I have enough experience with MS to make my own judgement call on him.

if you sold me on mollie town or otherwise explained why her push isn't scum motivated at the least, I'd be more inclined to buy it

what benifit does scum!mollie get from pushing MS all day over anyone else?

i want you to go read that nightless game and tell me how amny people sonic conviced he was town (heres a lit of players as well that i know offhand: grayice, nacho, abr, ZZZX for a while)

go read that game and tell me if you think MS is trying the same shit he did with ABR and trying to buddy me up from the get go.

go read that damned game and tell me why the fuck should i even consider the shit town?

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pedit: mollie, plz, talk to me about yukari and andy reads. i need someone to talk to before i regress to HU2 mode where i was yellling a bunch of shit

pie: im going to be this once, its meta realted reasons as well as the bond we share that i turst her. its unexpalinable to be honest but i refuse to accept mollie is scum pushing town!MS on day 1. and i will fight you to the fucking bitter end on that

pedit2: she has been stating it all damn game tbf, i can understand 100%. i dont get how you dont see it. shes tryig her damn best to artiulate it but you keep going "nope nope nope"

like its just there and i dont know how to fuckign explain it any better

[ika]

mollie, i need som sleep.

plz, be around later i am going to blow a gasket and i need you to be around when i do

[ika]

ika, people don't want to read a fucking 200 paged game or however long it is. If you can't be bothered to cite posts form it, what makes you think we'd want to read it?

read his iso alone then at least is that so fucking hard?

if i really need to go find damned quotes to shove the damned point i will when im nto fucked up pissed at you guys

[ika]

mollie, talk to me plz i need someon to talk me out of my anger right now

[ika]

she has though?

like she has been stating it and your shrugin it with "its bad play"

[ika]

mollie tell me when your caught up plz i would like to sync with you on ppl

pedit: -.-

I am caught up now!

metal is confscum at this point. like no really he is confscum.

re: ank locking the thread:

in molliegeddon scum!mastina tried to pull this same bs by saying he contacted the admins. anti and I locked the thread and then I contacted all of the admins to ask them to speed up the process of sorting the situ cos guyett WAS in every manner crossing the line with mastina and anti (co-mod) and I were already in the process of talking about what we shld do. it was my decision that both slots shld be replaced since the game was a bit compromised. the admins had no idea what was going on but upon investigation suspended guyett for 2 weeks.

fyi - buymechocolate was 1 of the hydras I used for flavour cos I <3 metal and he knows this. <----- this shld tell the nature of our relationship. when he is scum he tends to play the victim card with me cos it the only mileage he can get; sympathy from others cos of my abrasive playstyle. metal loves playing scum but I am pretty sure by now he hates being scum against me cos I understand him. he knows I love him and he loves me too but he still has to play to his wc and will try to do what he can for his team.

I think ank had to double check some things to make sure that everything was within the rules (which they are) and to make sure he was reading the situ correctly. which he did hence the unlock. when a player bypasses the gm to go over their heads and bring in the listmods you simply have to verify that cos as a gm it is your ass that is on line and you are held accountable for maintaining control of the game.

I have seen the tactic that metal is using from scum 4 times, etl even won a scummy for it. I think it is despicable personally but whatevs.

metal is scum here and if you pple try to lynch any1 other than him then I am just going to get bitter about mafia again cos I am sick to death of town dithering over lynching obvscum.

IF metal happens to flip town (and I have srs doubts here) he is throwing his town meta to support a scum 1 cos I have not said 1 single antagonstic thing towards metal, elusive yes, metal no, I read him as scum, have made a case and voted him.

I am not budging from his lynch. cos either way we are lynching a) scum or at the very least bad town. and metal's town is not bad, he can actually be quite good when he wants to be.

VOTE: metal

^this sums it up nice IMO

[ika]

I have seen the tactic that metal is using from scum 4 times, etl even won a scummy for it. I think it is despicable personally but whatevs.

im going to empathis this

4 times. are you going to discount that as well pie?

pedit:

mollie do you need me or would you like to do it?

[ika]

we are not lynching mollie while im fucking alive you knwo that right pie?

[ika]

im also on break but this shitfest is the last of what i wanted to come home to.

elusive/grib fucking talk to me then about damn mollie, cus right now i trust her the god damn most

[ika]

Well, ika, I trust you and elusive the most. So if you're completely sold on mollie, then I will follow you.

elusive, what say you?

I'm not sold on it, I'm looking at the mollie linked games to see what she's talking about. Like literally reading the game from beginning to end (the first one with ETL).

There's no Ori CC so that bothers me a little bit. If MS flips fucking Ori I don't care about ika or anyone else I will go into full on shank mode.

In general any sort of AtE disgusts me and is like turn off central. So I almost want to spite both and lynch someone else.

I'm also not sure why if MS is town they don't replace out for real? Like if you're town and don't want town to lose then replace out.

i dont doubt MS is damn orci but thats fucking moot to me.

elusive does this gaem state that a role name is linked to an alignment? if so plz point me towards it otherwise im taking that idea for a gain of fucking salt

[ika]

4.5) All flavor is completely game-irrelevant.

^elusive, game names mean shit

(if if anyone is wondering yes this is near pissed off ika)

[ika]

mollie when you get here talk to me

[ika]

If MS doesn't flip scum then Mollie dies, whether you want call it a "Lynch all AtE BS" or "Lynch all people who bring OOG nonsense into game" If you're good with that then let's have MS to L1, have him full claim his role. You good with that?

Also remember that emotions is the one thing I dislike having to deal with in a game. So that well, for this game, has run dry.

no we lynch his ass. end of story.

if he flips town you guys can go all out, but i will not be on that lynch or any part of it untill its either:
A) lylo and shes alive with me
B) has a guilty on her
C) starts acting in a manner that gives me scum vibes and that makes me doubt her

i refuse to touch the mollie lynch.

[ika]

I like Tere, by the way. But there's stuff like this, and I think that Tere would just fall over from mollie's hounding, even after I've left the slot. Her posts are low-content and low frequency and it's detrimental in a game like this.

just an fyi, mollies is the reason why tere came here in the first place

also if tere were to repalce in my life in this game would be perfect cus tere is the other player i will quickly sort out and sove the entire game

[ika]

@ ika - if metal flips scum (and I am pretty sure that he will) I wld lynch wni d2 and after that I wld look at boo unless she does something amazing cos she shld be helping me with metal and she isn't.

I have doubts about WNI right now but i will save it for day 2 at least.

Boo i can agree on

whats your thoughts on yukari?

[ika]

elusive, vote MS

ZZZX, fuckign vote MS already im not going to be happy if you dont listen for once. if you have to recall on nightless i was almost yelling at you to listen to mollie on listen to her about MS

[ika]

hydra thing - comes across as newbish so for me is hard to read.

What can I do that would help you get a read on me?

Do you have any questions for me?

to clarify this question is directed at both heads of your hydra rather than just you yourself.

im ninjaing/garciaing this and you could start by voting MS

[ika]

just an fyi, mollies is the reason why tere came here in the first place

1) mollie was also the reason why I came here. Plus you, Andrius, Bookitty, and singer.

2)Anyway, Tere is V/LA right now. And pieguy appears to hate Tere for some reason, so.

3) Like I said, I'm town, but I'm giving up trying to convince you on this. If you're town, you're gamethrowing

again

, plain and simple. And you should know why I'm more angry about you than mollie right now.

1) to this site itself? or jsut this game? cus im refering to site itself and i enjoy tere cus she is a very skilled analitcal player who knows how to actualy work with people whn approached right

2) so? thats moot point. i dont give a fuck what pie thinks at this point in time truthfuly

3) gamethrowing is intentionaly going against wincon no? i thikn you are legit scum. therefore its not gamethrowing. also given that this is day fucking 1 i...

whythe fuck am i even responding to you, i have to remember mollies first rule: dont talk to scums.

you could self-hammer and make it faster

[ika]

hydra thing - comes across as newbish so for me is hard to read.

What can I do that would help you get a read on me?

Do you have any questions for me?

to clarify this question is directed at both heads of your hydra rather than just you yourself.

im ninjaing/garciaing this and you could start by voting MS

what does ninjaing/garciaing mean?

MS is not my top scum lean, thus far I am unsatisfied with mollie's push, which is the strongest in favour of an MS lynch. I disagree with some of her connections to alignment indication.

garciaing is when someon answers else answers the question that was directed at soemoen else (ie you asked mollie a question i answered it before she could) ninja is sometimes used in its place

im telling you that mollie would give you much more if you did but *shrugs* if you dont want to you loss.

do you have meta or games/links to disprove it cus elusive has linked and given the meta case as well

[ika]

TOP

will respond when get home

[ika]

Zx i swaer if you dont help me lynch him.

i do not want boo lynched toDay, I want ms toDay

[ika]

yukari help us lynch MS first plz, we can talk abotu Zx another time

[ika]

Maybe it's just cause its getting late here, but what do you mean sorry? Meta on what?

Do you mean meta to disprove MS is scum? Because no I have no meta.

If we are talking meta then I should probably outline my stance on meta as tenuous. Meta can so easily be manipulated if a person is aware of how they play.

Yes thats what im talking about.

How about this: do you have him as town? if so what is the town case for him? if you do not there is no reason to not be voting him. Even if he is arguably a "lesser" scum read, scum is still scum. And im telling you right fucking now thta he is scum and that there is no way he would do this shit as town.

If you want to talk abotu meta, while yes people can maipulate it, they still follow a set trait.

[ika]

if MS isnt lyncht when deadline reaches about 5 days or so im going all out ika, pie consider this your warning.

mollie, dont even try to stop me if i do its for your own good as well

[ika]

Zx move your damned vote to MS

[ika]

Plus, your exact words were: "My english isnt the best but I can see alot of misrep here"

Yukari can you just vote MS, we are not doing ZX today. We can sort him out another time

[ika]

Plus, your exact words were: "My english isnt the best but I can see alot of misrep here"

Yukari can you just vote MS, we are not doing ZX today. We can sort him out another time

We are pretty confident in our ability to sort out MS after d1. Zzzx seems like the better lynch today. Bookitty and cpl other ppl need to post more.

@Mod Could you please prod bookitty?

no, not after day 1, now.

[ika]

btw fuck this i get top

[ika]

liek this

[ika]

hi singer i await your reads

i need someone to talk to who i trust

[ika]

ok plume is a solid town read to me now.

plume scince im here for a bit got anythign for me. You basicly answered everything that i asked and have given me smiles so im content

[ika]

note to respond to stuff when i get hom from work

LYNCH MS PLZ

[ika]

boop

Softclaiming. Softclaiming everywhere.

I'd only lynch MS to put a lid on this mess, but would otherwise want to lynch Bookitty.

girb to put in in context of how much i trust mollie, me and her are like you and lyrim

she knows me better then myself and that her reads tend to be deadly accurate when town. now sheep me and her for great justice

[ika]

pie go read elusive post about the meta she found and disprove that

pie if MS isnt lynch today you understand im going full out shutout on you right

(im on break)

mollie/singer: plz talk to me (yes im aware you responded singer but i need someont o stop me from outbusrting atm)

[ika]

WNI ms was NOT "just sheeping me" and you know full fucking well

[ika]

im going to make this clear MS is todays fucing lynch

@yukari i dont give a fcuking damn if you can sort him overnight, he dies now

[ika]

if mollie leaves i leav as well just an fyi.

i do not deney the fact we have neighborhood in fact i was hinting it heavly but i think the scum is sonic in our hood and i want him fucking gone

heres a logic thing for us all:

if ms claims that flavor is tied, woulndt WNI be a scum sicne they are the main portagonist?

[ika]

@ ika

why did you not make it apparent that you were in a hood with metal? cos I find it sort of skeevy that you wld push his lynch this hard when you had another medium to sort him out.

mollie i was trying to shout it at the top of my god damn lung w/o publicly outing it.

me screaming i want ms gone was the main reason. i wanted tot alk to WNi in peace without spam-o-matic

like i said if you leave i leave. if ms isnt gone im refusing to even post in that neigborhood even if mollie flips scum (heres a hint i dont think so atm)

pedit: doent change it

[ika]

btw im VT too

[ika]

welcome to full out ika mode.

im sorry mollie have to resort to this but im fed up

[ika]

MS, the neighborhood was pre-made? As in you didn't get to choose or anything?

This game is in a weird state right now.

its me - VT
pie - kuro (main antagonist of game)
MS - Ori (main character)

it was premade, its destabled during day and only open during night

[ika]

i wouldnt be surprised if its

MS- scum
pie - PR
me - vt

as the hood layout

[ika]

i wouldnt be surprised if its

MS- scum
pie - PR
me - vt

as the hood layout

i wouldnt be surprised if you defend mollie like a total bad even after i flip town

i wouldnt be surprised if you fail to ever realize how bad you are as a player

[ika]

1)ika, you can't argue that flavor means nothing and then try to argue that flavor means something. And in the end Kuro sacrifices herself to help save the day so if that's the case then MS and pie are town based on flavor.

2)I'm having a little trouble with the VT part of the claims due to reasons.

3)I'm also really annoyed at ika outing the flavor of pie at least and also hiding the fact that he was in the neighbor and that there was a reason for MS to be friendly towards him.

pie has been pretty convincing so far, I like being able to follow her reasoning and logic.

I don't like Mollie's game here, I'm not sure what the alignment is, but she has no other scum reads it seems other then MS and pie for defending him which seems very narrow. Then after reading the ETL game, her tunneling or yelling scum at town is a thing.

1) i wasnt i was jsut showing how if we did it would be more likely that our antagonaist would be scum
2) so your hinting to be vt too? nice
3) news flash i was giving full incentive that there was a damn neghborhood, i really dont care atm you skeeved at me, i wanted MS gone form our neighborood the moment he spammed it.

as for the rest, i have no words and jsut not even going to respond.

just go ahread and vote mollie

[ika]

its literally poops like you that cause the neighborhood problem that mollie was talking about in a TOTALLY OFF TOPIC md thread

they create paranoia and people who cant play it right will just wanton lynch their hoodmates even if they are obvtown because "oh, 3 man neighborhoods, MUST contain scum"

i have seen hoods with 2 scum. i have seen hoods which are all clear town. nothing surprises me, and i was eager to get 3 of us as obvtown trusting each other so that we can win the game fast because we are all <experienced> players

but ika you dont fucking think

sigh

your right, i dont think in games. you want to know why?

cus i have to think at my job and problem solve and deal with people every fucking day. i dont come to play maifa to think about things. i come to just let out all my hate and annoyances in a manner that is mafia.

you fail to even understand me at the most basic so dont be surprised when i take your talk for a grain of salt

[ika]

its literally poops like you that cause the neighborhood problem that mollie was talking about in a TOTALLY OFF TOPIC md thread

they create paranoia and people who cant play it right will just wanton lynch their hoodmates even if they are obvtown because "oh, 3 man neighborhoods, MUST contain scum"

i have seen hoods with 2 scum. i have seen hoods which are all clear town. nothing surprises me, and i was eager to get 3 of us as obvtown trusting each other so that we can win the game fast because we are all <experienced> players

but ika you dont fucking think

sigh

your right, i dont think in games. you want to know why?

cus i have to think at my job and problem solve and deal with people every fucking day. i dont come to play maifa to think about things. i come to just let out all my hate and annoyances in a manner that is mafia.

you fail to even understand me at the most basic so dont be surprised when i take your talk for a grain of salt

i was very surprised when you began scumreading me... then now, not any more.

i'm sorry for not understanding you. but maybe you should find it funny how mollie was pushing how "metal was buddying to ika" like its the scummiest thing on earth.

not really? in my 3-4 years of playing the first ting scums do to me is buddy me. howver i have become more aware of it.

[ika]

thanks ika, for outing roles and helping scum narrow the nk pile. good work.

your welcome, we can talk about this post game. i do have some stuff i do want to talk to you about but again post-game

[ika]

Well. This game is a shit show. So much for trying to have a nice fun game on this site. Three out of my four games have turned into absolute crap. Not a good intro to this site. I'd still like to play, but it's really up to Mollie, not myself if she wants to replace out. I don't mind flying solo, I'm picking up on things pretty fast.

Not Mollie's fault either. She's been a great teacher/hydra, and I've learned tons from her <3

I'll try to reply more tonight. I'm in an all day work meeting.

I'll pm you post game my personal thoughts. the site isnt normaly like this and i am not either but there jsut comes a poitn where i jsut quit caring about things and it goes to this.

given the fact i was trying to shout at everyone there was a neigborhood and then everyone comes ooking at me like "why didnt you say anything" pisses me off.

we just got a bad playerbase here right now who have too many diffrent playstyles and its all clashing right now

[ika]

Spoiler: hints to neighborhood

Ok so i just got home and i see 4 pages.

Sigh this is going to be a fun game....

That being said, im going to be breif again (i just got off work and am now relaxing for the hr then going out drinking and crap)

MS, i know why your doing that but stop its going to paranoia mollie a bunch shes town

that also being said hydrgena is anohter scumspect of mine

ika, I think you are townreading metal for dumb reasons.

don't hand me that "OMG HE DROPPED A SPESHUL TELL" cos he deliberately did that shit in organic and he is lying about what is going on here between he and I. he is catering his game to you by kissing your ass and you are gobbling it up like candy! I think you underestimate scum!metal he knows how to meta dodge (I told froggy this in gchat).

Oh im aware of his blaiteny buddying of me and he should be aware that ass-kissing does not work on me unless if you are someone i know very well and have a high regard to. However Im leting him do it for now jsut to see how it plays out. Fair?

That being said I do want to try to sort out the others (grib/elusive mainly) and bounce reads with you on other people so if one of us dies we have a good grasp for the other.

Got any reads on andy/plum or ykari?

pedit one sec ill respond

ok outside of metal atm.

whats your reads on boo, any, yukari, plume?

VOTE: metal

im going with mollie on this.

WNI: do it plz i trust mollie a lot more then i trust myself and it would make the game 10 times easier

Don't trust Mollie ffs

Trust me more

no, you dont get my trust. you will never fucking get it.

like the fact is this: i trust mollies reads more then my own when i can read her as town. and right now shes a beacon of town to me so im trusting her 10 times more.

back in HU2 i was toying aournd with titus beign town and sevral other things. but mollie point blank, shut me out of ever posting cus i was letting outs. all your doing here is being stupid with "trust me more" and this and that shit.

also added in you fucked went and said you called 5 listmods? only to say "oh i cant do that"? like sriously? sonice just stop. im at the point of not caring about your alignemnt and jsut want you gone

pie im about "this" close from lsoing it.

you are aware if he does live im not going to be doing jack shit untill hes gone right?

espicalythe last one

[ika]

ika's Mollie fixation with him doing the most anti-town things possible.

if anythign mollie is going to give me a huge thing of yelling and complaing post game when i go talk to her about my anti-town.

i just want MS/yukari to lynched/killed so i can work this game in solitude.

and given about a good chunk of the players i can feel out and get to know and would actualy consider my imput are now gone i have like nothign here.

pedit: can i have a hug too boo?

[ika]

-BIG HUGS- to Ika

Course you can

*hugs back*

ty

im gonna call on a freind of mine to take singers place. i need people who i can legit work with and keep me in check now that mollies gone

[ika]

Yukari has soft claimed and then blatantly claimed Investigative. In principle, I'm against lynching soft claimed PRs without at least some way to confirm the claim.

Yes, Yukari is acting weird. Is it scummy? Perhaps, however there was no CC and probably shouldn't be one at this point anyway. Her meta change could be because of being scum, or a town PR, or trying to change playstyle. I have no clue.

fair enough, thats more or less why i want MS gone first and then we get yukari tommoro if they are alive

[ika]

i need people who i can legit work with and keep me in check now that mollies gone

She's not gone yet. If she's scum, I'll take the whole blame for defending her, even. But she hasn't said she would replace out yet. I think she'll come back.

After i get the other person im askign for in here, i think she will cus its a player that mollie works well with.

i need t find a post that elusive made and direct it to pie

[ika]

PIE DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE TO BACK THIS UP OR NOT?

So are you basing your defense of him one knowing him well? Can you link to games where as town he's had emotional breakdowns?

[ika]

Pie already answered that.

whats the game link then? im too frustrated to go iso hunting for a single game that backs it up

[ika]

nvm found it, ya that enrire post basicly admits its not a town trait and that pie trying to defend it is shit to me

[ika]

is that you molle?

[ika]

-BIG HUGS- to Ika

Course you can

*hugs back*

ty

im gonna call on a freind of mine to take singers place. i need people who i can legit work with and keep me in check now that mollies gone

I am not gone?

I said I was going to go and that it depended on froggy. I was wondering if he was okay getting mislynched.

I did not start this shit show and I am srsly fucking

TIRED

for being held responsible for what other players do.

mollie i was summoning tere, someone that you know very well and work well with. i dont summon jsut "anybody" i summon people that know how i work and would be major helps.

[ika]

mollie i have work soon but can you be here in about 9-10 hrs.

i just need someone that i can talk to at this point and your lack of precence is what hindges me a lot

[ika]

mollie i have work soon but can you be here in about 9-10 hrs.

i just need someone that i can talk to at this point and your lack of precence is what hindges me a lot

I have been present all game.

I wld very much like for you and pie and metal to answer how a protagonist and an antagonist exists in your hood and none of you thought to mention it before now when metal was claiming the protagonist and kept saying he was conftown just by his flavour role being in the game when....there is the antagonist in your hood and somehow that makes him town.

like really.

cus based on how the hood went in pre-game i took pie being a pr and being very calculated.

but more on point: i ignore flavors entirely and find that they have nothing and took it for a grain fo salt and had no indication to persue a mechanic based thing that really has no bearings on the game itself

[ika]

4.5) All flavor is completely game-irrelevant.

^elusive, game names mean shit

(if if anyone is wondering yes this is near pissed off ika)

mollie i gave full indication that flavor is moot.

im working on town blocs and pushing outsiders

[ika]

mollie promise me you will be around in about 10 hrs? i want to talk

[ika]

bye off to work

[ika]

frogger, stop. dont deviate.

if your pushing yukari as scum start with the vote. otherwise its full on MS lynch. i am not dealing with him in this game regarldess of his alignment

[ika]

@Ika.

Not deviating. Our vote remains on MS.

Just said IF MS/WNI not scum, then other option is it's hiding.

Still believe MS is scum more likely than not.

fair enough.

[ika]

oh just an fyi. im going full on dump mode on thoughts in neghborhood.

so if i die n1 WNi is to give out everythign i post and all my thoughts or to be lynched pronto.

if MS is in there im not talking at all

[ika]

oh and to jsut have a kick at MS

if you are arguing being the main charater to make you an IC, we should also argue that frogger mollie being the tree makes them an IC.

after all your characters goal is to save them right?

[ika]

yukari its about mindset, your day one start does not sync with a vig mindset.

i didnt read it all but i have a grasp of what you are stating and i am in agreement. a vig does not come out and state "scums shoot us n1"

also given the fact grib has poitned out a slip that implies rolecop im inclined to believe them a lot more then you

[ika]

also me and mollie did good cop/bad cop in HU2 where we were 3-shot BP

i would nto put it past mollie to do such thing

also if your a vig as you proclaim why dont you jsut vig mollie? what diffrence does it make between viggin mollie and vigging MS?

pedit: why do you need to sort MS like that, why nto any other player as well?

[ika]

a vig does not come out and state "scums shoot us n1"

Cept that we are vig and did ask for nk in our first post.
Also our reasoning given at the time wasn't dishonest. We are here because the rules for some reason require us to be here in order to go back to playing newbie games.
We are not lying.
We are the vig.
Believe us or not, naysayers shall eat their words postgame.
We are aware of our meta, we are building new meta, meta will be mostly useless against us, phear yukari for we are a bit off in the head!! Raaawr!! Lol

I take it for a grain of salt.

also i could easily argue you are not vig and in fact an sk instead.

since your claimign vig why nto claim flavor.

cus FMPOV i think you fit much better profile as sk then vig presuming you are vig

also me and mollie did good cop/bad cop in HU2 where we were 3-shot BP

i would nto put it past mollie to do such thing

also if your a vig as you proclaim why dont you jsut vig mollie? what diffrence does it make between viggin mollie and vigging MS?

pedit: why do you need to sort MS like that, why nto any other player as well?

Were you a goodcop/badcop hydra?

I was bad cop, mollie was good

[ika]

also me and mollie did good cop/bad cop in HU2 where we were 3-shot BP

i would nto put it past mollie to do such thing

also if your a vig as you proclaim why dont you jsut vig mollie? what diffrence does it make between viggin mollie and vigging MS?

pedit: why do you need to sort MS like that, why nto any other player as well?

ill just requote myself

[ika]

if you remove the predit it answers your question does it not?

[ika]

if you remove the predit it answers your question does it not?

Huh?

i answered your good cop/bad cop question already is what i was staing in that quote

[ika]

We can vig anyone but prefer to vig ms over mollie. We're good with lynching mollie or ms, and will vig based on flip. If ms mislynch then would almost def vig for mollie. But between the 2, we would be more worried about having scum-mollie somehow surviving nk via pr ability and living D2 and using her words and being alive as case to mislynch us d2 and then pwn game from there.
Feels safer to lynch mollie first, then depending on how she flips, maybe vig ms, boo, or zzzx. Leaning ms vig atm, but not completely sure how to best play this out.

she claimed vt. if she lives and you live then we have a lot of sorting to do.

if you die and flip vig and shes alive i will consider things then. btu untill then i take it all on face vaule

[ika]

We can vig anyone but prefer to vig ms over mollie. We're good with lynching mollie or ms, and will vig based on flip. If ms mislynch then would almost def vig for mollie. But between the 2, we would be more worried about having scum-mollie somehow surviving nk via pr ability and living D2 and using her words and being alive as case to mislynch us d2 and then pwn game from there.
Feels safer to lynch mollie first, then depending on how she flips, maybe vig ms, boo, or zzzx. Leaning ms vig atm, but not completely sure how to best play this out.

she claimed vt. if she lives and you live then we have a lot of sorting to do.

if you die and flip vig and shes alive i will consider things then. btu untill then i take it all on face vaule

Can we maybe agree on lynch mollie today and vig ms tonight?

not only no, but hell no.

if you were reading the damn game and my stance i made if fuckign clear i will not touch the fucking mollie lynch at fucking all right now.

never ever try to sell me on that shit ever again. like dont even you dare to give me that opion. MS dies.

pedit:

scum mollie i can deal with, scum MS i can not.

normaly all nks get processes simataniously

ank if a hypotetical vig existed would both a scums kill and a vigs kill get resloved at same time presuming no interference?

[ika]

Opinion noted, would like to hear the other players opinions also.
Our stance is clear, would prefer mollie lynch, but ms lynch is also on the table. Though I don't see why you feel so strongly on this issue considering you know we plan to attempt vig on mollie in that scenario.

i don't expect you to understand either.

viggin her is something i am less caring about due to the fact i have no power over it and its entirly at your fault.

myslynching her is somethign i refuse to ever do

[ika]

like point blank if shes scum, woe to me but she is aware enough of me that she will have to nk me before endgame.

right now i trust her enough

pedit: docs normaly can self protect.

and you play nebies? you should knwo docs cant do that shit

[ika]

mollie, calm down plz.

talk to me here. just calm down. i need someone who i can resonate with for the moment

pedit: I KNOW THAT AND THATS WHAT IM STATING. IM QUESTION YUKARI ON HOW THEY THINK DOCS CAN SELF PROTECT WHEN ITS CLEAR THAT IN NEWBIES IT CANT BE DONE

[ika]

-.-

one sec im going to phrapharse last nights dicussion.

i have a lot to relook at right now.

[ika]

well not much happend.

but to sum ups pies reads in a nutshell:

elusive town
me town
yukari town
ZZZX is town

hydra i would say is light town
singer/dragon light town

bella null

mollie/boo scum

plume is annoying and couldnt read

everyone else is annoying

[ika]

Ika you said you were going to figure out Mollie day 2. Did you figure anything out? Or is that still future.

i have my thoguhts. but i want one thing first:

what you think of the nk?

when mollie gets on she will be deciding her fate to me. cus at this point ive reach bitter end with this game

[ika]

its occam razor dragon:

presuming this is true: yukari vigs mollie
this means that mollie is 1-shot BP (and thats the scum role if you read opening)
or
yukari got rb

[ika]

Seriously, anyone who tries to protect mollie at this point is going to earn some scum points from us.

then you can give me a ton of scum points right now.

im going to make this clear for everyone, i still have a gut paranoia that this is all a setup but im not going to stop the lynch like yesterday

[ika]

drangon, what are your reads from town to scum.

im like unconvinced you read the thread and have like no real reads right now

pedit: dont give jack shit yukari, i could easily argue your an sk right now to discredit you.

[ika]

drangon, what are your reads from town to scum.

im like unconvinced you read the thread and have like no real reads right now

pedit: dont give jack shit yukari, i could easily argue your an sk right now to discredit you.

We are the vig. If we were sk we wouldn't have played so recklessly.

do you have a history of playing sk?

if not then your answer is WIFOM

[ika]

Again, if we are wrong then we are dead D3. Does that sound like a gambit sk would make?

Yes and no.

For a first time sk player, unlikely, HOWEVER as a player who has played sk many times, i have seen (and have done it) before as an sk. where i would either realclaim sk and bs my play and play like a vig. or claim vig and do such things just so i can get away with it

[ika]

but im not here to get smatics.

im here to go with occam razor

i want grib and elusive to post and then i can work my way out.

[ika]

Again, if we are wrong then we are dead D3. Does that sound like a gambit sk would make?

Yes and no.

For a first time sk player, unlikely, HOWEVER as a player who has played sk many times, i have seen (and have done it) before as an sk. where i would either realclaim sk and bs my play and play like a vig. or claim vig and do such things just so i can get away with it

Don't get why you would claim sk, but then again this is our first non-newbie game. Personally don't care for all the crazy roles and much prefer to stay matrix6 simple. Anyways, if somehow wrong and seriously doubt we are(learned in another game the dangers of second guessing ourselves when bullish managed to eventually flip our read of him resulting in him winning as scum), then we give up. We will self vote and likely ragequit via self-induced lynching cuz duck this game.

Claiming sk as sk is more theory talk on why someone would do it. I can explain later when i have time. right now i have to get ready for work

[ika]

if anyone got fruit they should announce

[ika]

im about to tear a new one if im reading this correct and my presumption is correct

[ika]

So, either yukari is not the vig and did not target mollie, so is probably scum, or she is the vig and someone protected mollie. What I don't understand is why yukari is convinced that whoever protected mollie got scum points - she could've been protected by someone who just town reads her, rather than being the BP? Yukari's push for this looks really suspect, and a good way to cover her lack of a kill.

Easy, cus its was a big agreement that mollie slot should be viged if MS was town.

If a doc is to claim and said to haev protected mollie, im going to question a lot fo things

[ika]

So, either yukari is not the vig and did not target mollie, so is probably scum, or she is the vig and someone protected mollie. What I don't understand is why yukari is convinced that whoever protected mollie got scum points - she could've been protected by someone who just town reads her, rather than being the BP? Yukari's push for this looks really suspect, and a good way to cover her lack of a kill.

When we mentioned scum points for protecting mollie, was referring to D2, not about her surviving our vig attempt on her. Bulletproof mollie seems likely given the situation and fact that bulletproof is listen in 2 of the 4 pools. Though RB is also possible. Either way mollie needs to be lynched.

Pedit:
Hopefully there isn't an idiot-doc.

just vig boo tonight regradless

[ika]

Still thinking Mollie is town after all that, but I'm going back to re-read.

Just earned yourself another scum point.

We would like to ask you WHY you think mollie is town, but would prefer you and everyone else refrain from attempting to defend her at least until she gets to speak for herself.
Defending her period atm b4 she even has a chance to speak for herself is worth a little scum cred, but doing so without giving any reason at all as to why you think she is town, that's even worse.

do you know how stupid that kinda sounds right now to say your giving scum cred to ppl? like your already premptivly assuming shes flipping scum.

what happens if she flips town? all this stuff your saying is pointless

[ika]

Mollie wont flip town. Like lower than 1% chance in our mind is how confident we are.

then you should also understand that defnding her is more or less null at this point?

[ika]

grib, why did you kill pie?

pedit: i was talking to WNI in our neghborhood or were you not reading?

also dont even start with that molliewoship shit. thats not how it is and the fact you even insiuate that its somethign like that is insuting to the max to me

[ika]

grib, why did you kill pie?

pedit: i was talking to WNI in our neghborhood or were you not reading?

also dont even start with that molliewoship shit. thats not how it is and the fact you even insiuate that its somethign like that is insuting to the max to me

"Mollie can do no wrong, i refuse to lynch mollie d1 regardless of alignment." We keep getting that vibe over n over.. call it what you want Idk.

Its something called freindship. Also when mollie and i are both twon and we can sync up we destroy.

You dont seem to understand the relations we share. And truthfull i never expect you to either. I just want to to understand its not worshiping.

I have already made it clear day 1 that if MS flips town, i would not stop the mollie lynch on day 2. im jsut sick of your misreping it as worship.

pedit: i woudl rename if freindship and you ahev it right. i do have high respect for her but i would not put it as worship.

[ika]

@Yukari: I believe you're exaggerating the degree to which people like and respect Mollie in the context of the game. I don't buy that you're using charged words accidentally; I think you're trying to discredit by overstating the case.

No we aren't accidentally using a word for which one of the definitions seems to fit perfectly with what we have been seeing. Maybe its jus cuz we are not religous, but we the word fits in the case that mollie is like a celeb here receiving love n respect from every1 for strictly meta/oog reasons. Seems like too much, to the point where it can blind her buddies at times.

Seriously, we havn't played many games, but still never seen anyone on this site so blindly followed out the gate like this.

Heres my take on it yukari:

i see it as not as that verb and more as the deitity definition, if you can not respect the fact i/we would rather hear freindship and not worship (cus really thats really irritating and annyoing) then stop mentioning it

[ika]

its occam razor dragon:

presuming this is true: yukari vigs mollie
this means that mollie is 1-shot BP (and thats the scum role if you read opening)
or
yukari got rb

or yukari is lying like doesn't that seem like the more plausible scenario considering he is still alive? you can't invoke occam's razor w/o actually using occam's razor hth

easy mollie. im taking what you taught me from HU2 and what i have learned.

[ika]

mollie save it for post game. i'll call you and we can talk about this game and move on.

can you do a lit of reads from townt o least town adn wrok from there? i have to get ready fro work but i should be around for a bit

[ika]

Yukari has said nothing disrespectful at all. Nothing.

elusive stop now. you dont get to decide what another interprets it as. I find it disrepctful to use worship. You seem to not understand FMPOV i read it much diffrently, i dont give jack shit if they are suing it in a deffrent context. they can honeslty just repharse it to "freindship" and it would be 10 times more easy.

You need to realized that FYPOV it may not be disrepctful but FMPOV and Boo POV that it really is.

[ika]

mollie talk to me plz.i need someone to calm me down before i head to work

[ika]

How nice, do you think I really care?

no, but if you are my friend you should. but by how you are actin its apparent you are not.

pedit: and this why elusive, i try to help you but you never seemt o realize anothers POV. you have done the same thing no? and im not trying to be bitchy here in my predit im trying to show you that your past is no so much diffrent wouldnt you agree?

[ika]

1) Sorry, ika but in the vicinity of the game you outed town roles including mine and did the most anti-town things you could. Why the fuck should I care what you think?

2)After Mollie spent an entire day revolving around MS and getting him mislynched, you're back on the Mollie train. Sorry, that's now how I work.

3) What have I done here that is the same? In both cases where I had issues, I tunneled scum and they had a fucking breakdowns with being called scum fucks and being treated with suspicion. SO no, it's not the same and I don't appreciate you're attempt to make it seem so.

1) dont apologize oif you dont mean it. you should care fora town thoguths though no? or are you stating im scum?

2) i never once said i was back on the mollie train. i made it clear im not going to stop the mollie lynch, howver thats not going to stop me from interacting with her

3) its your reactions to being called scum as well and your tunnels. you have done it on towns as well no? its farily similar wouldnt you agree?

knwo what dont even respond elusive, im done with this convo

[ika]

The fact that Mollie hasn't weighed in yet is bothering me a lot.

Are you kidding me? Mollie and I were at my brother (Glork's) house playing RL mafia and True American and other funstuffs. Are we not allowed to have a real life?

MOLLIE FUCKING TALK TO ME FOR THE NEXT HALF HOUR OR I WILL SINGLEHADEDLY SHOVE THE LYNCH DOWN YOU MYSELF IM ABOUT TO GO INTO A FUCKING OUTRAGE

[ika]

I am in a great mood cos last night was a lot of fun and froggy and I synched up so we are good. not even our mislynch can spoil my mood.

<3

can i hear your thoughts then now they your synced up?

[ika]

its occam razor dragon:

presuming this is true: yukari vigs mollie
this means that mollie is 1-shot BP (and thats the scum role if you read opening)
or
yukari got rb

We already claimed VT. We weren't lying.

ok. doesnt change the initial premise. im not discarding that you are claiming to be VT

can i hear your thoughts then now they your synced up?

[ika]

1)calm down!

2)elusive confuses confidence with arrogance. I think she simply can't differentiate between the 2.

3) eta: don't shout at me, I went to get ciggies.

1)then just talk to me.

2) i wouldnt be surprised by that thruthfully

3) that made me chuckle honeslty, but right now i just need someone that i know to talk to to calm em down

[ika]

I still think you are town but you are going to have to reach out to elusive more than you are to draw her in and move scum out. I grib seems to have a good grip.

we felt last night that we were sparks of town!boo but eh. I am unsure of my reads right now except for you grib and elusive. I wanna throw plum in there but if there is worship going it is coming from me directed to plum I mean said I wld light candles at her feet ffs.

yukari is throwing me off big time, too many newb tells.

im not even going to try with elusive shes a lost cause for this gaem. she has goon to far into her own bias and porjecting what she thinks right now and has shut out everything and everyone

to clarify grib is town?

what you think of ZZZX and dragon?

pedit: ELUSIVE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOUR CONSTANT BITCHING AND WHINING NOW MAKES YOU NO BETTER THEN WHAT YOU ARE STAGIN MOLLIES DOING

[ika]

im headin gout to work, i willtalk with you later mollie.

[ika]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TERES HERE LIFE COMPLETE!

(also im on break)

[ika]

Back. Going to have to catch up tonight

VOTE: dragon

i want that read lsit

[ika]

ika - I am having paranoid thoughts about ika cos he simply isn't here when he shld be, especially since tere has replaced in. froggy has him as strong town and I was but I am not feeling the presence of him in this game or him trying to help me build some type of town cohesion in case we get lynched. like d2 is when I feel like we need to coalesce a bit and I am wondering where the hell is he. I liked his freakout moment at the opening of the day, I had planned on reaching out to pie hardcore to see if there was any chemistry there and if we cld somehow get past the blocks we seem to have with communicating. the other thing about ika that froggy pointed out is that he wld be moving himself front center by nking the other neighbour which wld not be a good optimal move unless wni was showing signs of suspicion in the hood which we have no access to. I am going to ride his ass until he gets back into the game tho but I am not exactly the most patient of pple but I will try to be patient with ika. I feel like we shld be working together more strongly and we aren't. I feel like he is leaving me hanging.

mollie i will level with you. only due to the fact you need to now understand MPOV and my POV on where i stand.

Day 1 from what i can recall i asked like 5 times for you and when i finally went rage-cap yelling to get your attention. Also you need to realize that i have a lot of pent up rage and anger towards this game right now and a lot of shit i really would like to fucking yell about. but i will give that post game.

im almost alwasy around and you know that. you dont have to be passive with me, you can ride my ass all you like it wont change how i feel about my mood or the gamestate in general.

if you really need to know, i have a paranoia about you as well and right now the only person i feel confident enough to confide to atm is tere. if you recall last game (the micro) where you were basicly afk and i got shot cus i suspected you i get flashbacks to thta.

right now i just need some time and space to sort my own thoughts on everyone and everything as well. if you have questions or thoughts to give to me i can answer and bounce but im in that odd mode where im going to hit the borderline of yelling at you and everyone out of jsut anger and spite and working.

so ride my ass if you like but do be aware what you will be dealing with.

pedit: 99% sure scums dont have enabled daychat due to us not having daychat

[ika]

really mollie, i just need to sit down tonight when i get off work and look though this on my own so i can organize my own thoughts.

im kinda on agreemtn with tere that the town turned to shit and scums are doing jack

[ika]

molie: why was pie killed over me?

[ika]

Also, bella we always ALWAYS play to our win condition even if it doesn't seem like it.

voting self as town vig is not playing to wincon

voting self 99% of the time is argubly goign against wincon

[ika]

mollie, are you scum?

and if not i want to know why you are not. if you want to work with me now you have to realize im going to hard press you to your fullest as well

[ika]

Also, bella we always ALWAYS play to our win condition even if it doesn't seem like it.

voting self as town vig is not playing to wincon

voting self 99% of the time is argubly goign against wincon

We get that, but ppl seem divided over whether we are town/scum. Us flipping town will give info. And if there is RB is in game with a hardon for us then vig role would be fairly useless.
And technically nobody even rly voting us right now anyways. J/s etc
It's def not optimal play, but has both pros n cons.

are you retracting your replacement or not?

my general rule is once you request it you stop poting.

its not an argument of whats optimal or not. you voting self (if you are town) is 100% against wincon barring role spcific reasons (vengful)

dont respond untill either:
A)take away the replace out
B) post game

ive been playing for years on sites and this isnt a matter of opnion its a matter of facts

[ika]

also ika is posting elsewhere on site! fancy that.

dont you even start that fucking shit with me.

i dont give a fuck who posted that, dont you start that shit. thats the last thing i need from this god damn game is someon snipping at me like that

[ika]

mollie, are you scum?

and if not i want to know why you are not. if you want to work with me now you have to realize im going to hard press you to your fullest as well

I am not scum and if you bothered to look at my posts I wld like to think you wld figure this out.

I am asking you about what you think about yukari's softclaim that led up to a hardclaim. what do you think of that?

grib is a higher town read than tere for me. 1 of the things that is freaking me out is how it seems you are avoiding zzthing which makes wonder cos I know you guys had a fantastic rapport in nightless and I am not seeing that this game or any attempt for you to work him out when I feel like town!you wld/shld be doing at this time.

so i am asking about zzthing too!

actualy i think quite the opposite atm mollie. i have been looking at your post and while i can see how you believed that im also at a point of many other things

its shitty and suboptimal and stupid. i honestly wouldnt be surprised if yukari is an sk who had no intrest about the game

im not avoiding him hes jsut being a non-existance person. when we had nightless we talked in skype and thats how we synce. here where we have post formats its not as easy. also we knew each other and had full intentions. it hard to work with people who do not post.

Honestly, if Frogging Mollie busted out all that AtE and OoG attacks and shit to push one mislynch, I'd be incredibly disappointed. You don't threaten to blacklist someone or personally insult them to bully everyone into following your lead.

I want to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

if she did this as scum, i would be inclined to think she genuinlinely believed it outside of her alignment herself. that also ebing said if she is scum she will hear it from me.

i know if she did that as scum it was not ment to be a scum tactic and was probally more based on the nightless and outside of her alignment in general. but *shrugs*

mollie, are you scum?

and if not i want to know why you are not. if you want to work with me now you have to realize im going to hard press you to your fullest as well

I think this is an obvs set up which is what (you pointed this which makes us lean town on you!) I am struggling with and why I am okay with our lynch. I am not doing a repeat of you cld be any1.

if you were going to hard press me, where did you go? and why are you asking me this question?

I am not getting the angle of where you are going with this when I have already commented on my thoughts on the pie nk choice? was there something specific that you did not understand?

cld you plz answer as to why you are staying away from zzthing?

work has priority

why pie over me? if that was answered i will iso it then if not i want to hear that

im not see above

Is it possible Mollie was protected?

unless if your claimign to be the god damn doc who portected her plz jsut shut up about that idea. like im trying to keep myself in controll but im at the point of thinking you are doc who protected her and its drilling me a new one that you think that

[ika]

fuck reading the last 2 pages to respond im already cranky by responding

someone talk to me about the now

[ika]

words

frogger, you dont seem to understand how much respect and how much i enjoy playing with mollie. i know shes a good scum hunter. ask her about HU2 and our hydra there.

she practicly shut me out from posting at one point. i have a lot of respect for her and fully enjoy playing with her. never, ever and i mean fuckign ever think that i would not try to ever think mollie as less.

frogger, when i was scum in spring waltz and i partnered with mollie who was confirmed town. i was eaten by fucking guilt every fucking day i was alive. so many fucking times i wanted to jsut call her up and shout at her "IM A FUCKIGN SCUM AND YOU NEED TO LEAVE THE DANCE AND IM SORRY"

like i dont think you realize the regards i hold to mollie. nobody does truthfully, i honestly dont even think mollie herself realizes it fully yet. but when you come in here with that shit to me. not even mollie would be able to stop em from unleashing agro rage on you.

the only reason im actualy rather calm with this atm is cus im tired and in a steamline mode. but let me make something clear frog, i dont underestimate mollie. but at the very same time you have to understand im a very resentful man to many and that when you pull shit like this to me, i will go into a barrage mode next time and mollie can tell you that its not something you want to be dealing with from me.

grib adn even tell you what happens when i sanp.

frogger ust do me a damn favor and plz dont talk to me right now. i do enjoy playing with you and would like to play more, however i know my own mentality and mindset and i do not want to unleash it on you.

when your sobered up we can chat maybe but right now i need people i feel like i can trust and right now with the who shit fest of vig vs VT my mind is in "WHAT THE FUCK IS GOIGN ON" and that im in paranoia shitfest and truthfully its not going to be sorted untill something gives. so trust me when i state right now all i need is time and not you poking at me.

i need sleep. im on the border of outrage and just idk....

tere when you get on plz talk to me. i need someone to ease me out and doesnt give me a paranoia shot.

mollie: can i plz have day 2 to myself so i can sort my thoguhts? much like how you sometimes give players room or i give you room, right now i need mine. i feel liek interacting with you at this point is just going to boil my emotions.

[ika]

tere you here?

[ika]

mollie: post game we can talk about it.

[ika]

Hi ika, I'm here! eating atm. Kinda doing other stuff too because reasons but checking this thread now and again too.

@dragon my read on ika is solely on game play. Neighbourhood is null.

Does remind me though - is there anything in the neighbourhood we may have missed that might be useful, ika? Care to have a read through?

i already kinda gave pies last reads at start of day. it was night chat only. which implies scums only have night chat also.

basicly it went like this:

sonic spam
me telling him to not fuckig spam
pie going we are both prob town
lock for day phase
night phase
pie being pissed
me being pissed
us talking about our reads
us talking about some game stuff that has no impact
night ends

can we just lynch dragon now? he has not given his damn read list i asked that he said he would do

[ika]

Wait, is Marquis replacing someone?

cho is the alt of marquis. i thought that was common knowlage

[ika]

why do we keep presuming rber?

[ika]

why do we keep presuming rber?

I am not presuming rb but I know we are town and vt as they come so either yukari/cho is lying or there has to be 1.

do you know whats funny, I thought yukari was a marquis alt at first then I thought no way is marquis this derpy and as far as I know we don't have any problems but I keep getting surprised i.e. elusive. didn't see that 1 coming.

anyways out for the night.

eta: is no1 reading my posts grib is a townread holy fuck

ive been readin your post mollie, i just find it annyoing that you are kinda going (and understand MPOV right now), why is it my fault for MS lynch stuff and acting like nobody is talking to you.

you have to understand the burden and what I am preceving to undertand my frustration atm and right now i dont think you 100% understand or realize it yet.

take an iso of yourself and tell em what you see in reagrds to the MS/you thing. cus you have to undertsand that i was also in an influence of a neigborhood. its like HU2 where you basicly went after shos all game and i was shouting hes town but at the end you were like "well i dont care he didnt reach out to me"

im getting a repeat of that here now and thats whats unfolding

[ika]

1) when I wanted to look elsewhere for scum other than metal cos of the claim you pushed it through so wtf, this is nothing like shos.

unless you are saying that you were townreading metal...at some point when you wanted him lynched? <----- I wld like this answered.

cos I don't remember that happening at all.

2) your angles are wrong. why are you asking why pple are assuming a rb? I mean it comes down to either yukari/cho is lying or we are unless there is a rb in play or in some vague universe far far away a protect. I am trying to figure out why you are staying away from the whole situ when it shld be your top priority to sort it out.

3) I wld also like you to give me a stance on zzthing and I do not wanna hear how he has not posted much so you can't give a read cos you seem to have this expectation that other pple shld be able to but not you.

4) I want to see you try to solve the game cos I am simply not seeing it.

1) you never made it clear, there was a breif glimp where i thought he was town near end of day but i was at work wehn i considered it (i think about my games a lot when at work and board). it was also at the begining of the day. its just not really that much shown. but by the times it came to futition it was too late like 99% of the other times i realize it.

2) cus honestly the best way to sort it out is lynch yukari/you. we can sit here and speculate till the days ends btu it leaves notohign but wifom.

3) he can jsut fucking die in this game, you seem to think after our team game we should have some magic meta/connection but the truth of the matter is i/we dont. after the gaem we barly ever chatted scince then. i cant force a read i dont have.

4) cus hoenslty after the who shitfest i lost a lot of my urge to solve the game. right now i just want to have a moment to jsut take everythign in. i mean when i get univeraly town read i become apathetic and less gamesolvy cus its a vicious cycle of "im town, now everyone says nothing like im reactionary so when theres nothing to react to, i cant really sove games"

[ika]

Wut? We are not lynching mollie toDay. She's depressed / lost / demotivated town. How the fuck would that advance the gamestate?

Does not compute.

I never said to lynch her, im jsut pointing ou the best way to sort it is to lynch one of the 2

[ika]

can you elaborate on whats not genuine about it tere?

i get the opposite vibe but if you can tell me hwo or why i can try to see it then

[ika]

getting over a hangingover will get to this tonightish

[ika]

okay so lets try some set up spec here cos I want to leave a decent trail.

what are pple's thoughts on that the 3 town and 1 scum will be from each of the 4 pools? cos that is how I interpret it to mean, does anybody else?

claimed, flipped roles:

flipped 2 neighbours, metal and wni

confirmed: 3rd neighbour, ika
claimed: vt, us

ika are you soft-claiming a neighbour/fruit vendor? cos that is what it looks like you are soft-claiming. which does not make sense to me but you are better at set-up spec than I, cld you help me out here? tere?

anybody else?

im neighbor, i am not a frut vendor though.

I am going to keep reposting this until some1 notices and decides to i dunno, do set up spec with 2 flipped roles and 2 claims I mean colour me silly but this might actually prove to be beneficial.

tere how exactly is your lynch pool wide? I mean the only scumread you have is plum. every1 else you have given some indication is town at some point except your recent change on hydraflower.

I am so done with this game.

cho and I need to be sorted TODAY. not tomorrow, not the next day, TODAY, period end of story.

also ika don't ignore me I asked you if you are a fruit vendor yes or no. if no then why were you asking if any1 got fruit.

VOTE: cho

Its simple, out of the 2 pools that have fruit vendor (3 and 4) there is miller and VT. Ignoring the tracker and scum roles. I would of expected miller to claim out of the gate. also with no fruit being claimed i would eliminate the possiblity of it being in the game so now we have this:

Pool 1:
1) 2-shot Tracker
2) 2-shot Voyeur
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

Pool 2:
1) 2-shot Doctor
3) 2-shot Voyeur
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:
2) 2-shot Doctor
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 4:
1) 2-shot Tracker
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

so pool 4 is now in the 2-shot tracker or 2 shot rolecop and i want to figure out if we have BP or rolecop.

cus really, with a BP being possible it entirly means a vig exists. the quesiton in hand is if its sk or not. this is why its delmmea for me. if we had a tacker claim (BTW DO NOT FUCKING CLAIM TRACKER IF YOU ARE EXISTING), it narrows what i need

[ika]

But also there might actually be no SK, so until we have a SK flip we cant use the logic of the existance possibilty of an SK.

That's what I'm saying - the mere possibility of a Mafia BP existing, plus the one not-my-nightkill pretty much proves no SK exists.

unless if your sk....

[ika]

Jfc.

You design and review setups. Don't tell me you're even considering that could be possible here.

would you like setup spec?

ill run the techincal worst case in the random roll:

we have known:
3way nighbors
VT
miller (lets make it like that for argument)
and 2 shot frut vendor
vig

vs

BP
Roleblocker
goon

do you see how much scumsided this becomes right at this if its not an sk?

lets make it more realistic

doc
Vig
VT

vs

BP
rber
goon

this is more plausable per say due to doc bieing on vig, but after vig claims rber just vig and shots elsewhere

remove RB on lyncha dn it becomes townsided with 2-shot doc cus vig now has town in major power

so honeslt many ways i look at it i would find an sk with a 1-shot BP or ninja. to have a margianly better ballence. it could lead to leverage against mafia in event of claim

[ika]

and just an fyi thats a shitty anlyasis of it.

if i were to really sit down and setup pect in deph i would need to be in a proper mood