Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Grib]

/confirm

[Grib]

Heh. I already have two townreads. This should be fun.

VOTE: Bookitty

[Grib]

Heh. I already have two townreads. This should be fun.

VOTE: Bookitty

elaborate

I will.

I see confident statements like these more frequently from scum who know who they can buddy up to and be "right" about. The lack of stating who also leaves you open for changing it later and filling in the blanks based on who you think will be more universally on your side.

And yet, you haven't done anything to figure out if that's exactly what I'm doing.

vote: ZZZX

Why are you voting for him?

Ooh, I haven’t played this game but the visuals and some of the instrumentals are epic. Lush.

I like Plum’s take on policy lynch, it is my own view. I’d rather take a replace or force replace over PL any day.
ZZZX needs to confirm anyway if they are going to be in the game. I have no clue what their playstyle is but this is game and it can get a bit rough, if you don’t like roughness then leave players who do like it\engage in it or don’t mind alone or change your approach to them. If you poke a tiger with a stick and it bites your head off then you’re the imbecile not the tiger.
Frogger, welcome! It’s easy to get frustrated. I’m not newish anymore and I’m still figuring out coping mechanisms for frustration. Recently, I’ve been trying using GIFs to replace words. So I’ll find a GIF that captures my feelings (roll eyes, punch wall, etc) and post that instead of words because words can get tricky.

I’m not sure why Metal Sonic unovted me after sheeping ika, what did he resolve about my lack of posts or anything? Why is he sheeping ika? What the what? Votes jump around a bit too much.

RQS Questions
If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot
1. Which element would you choose (theme related) – Water, Wind, or Warmth?
2. Choose a player you’ve played with already in this game and describe their town vs. scum meta
3. Choose a player you don’t know at all and ask them a question.

TIA

P-Edit: Don't like singer's vote on the player who hasn't even confirmed, it avoids direct interactions with anyone.

VOTE: Singer

1. fonti says I'm Wind, and she knows me better than I know me.
2. elusive: her town meta is to ask questions, insult people in really beautiful ways, and be playfully aggressive. Scum meta is to lurk more and scumhunt less, but I'm waiting for her scum meta to be updated.
3. I'm going to cheat and use the question I asked Singer about their vote for this question.

Also...hydrangea, bookitty, yukari, grib (a little less so), hi how are you engage pls

I was sleeping.

ika is a townlean for being interested in the game. elusive is a stronger townlean for her pregame post ('/hope' is

such

a town!elusive thing to do) and for her first game post.

I'm kind of leaning town on MS for openly sheeping people and being a little contrary in his responses.

[Grib]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: singersigner

[Grib]

I see confident statements like these more frequently from scum who know who they can buddy up to and be "right" about. The lack of stating who also leaves you open for changing it later and filling in the blanks based on who you think will be more universally on your side.

And yet, you haven't done anything to figure out if that's exactly what I'm doing.

You assume I didn't.

I did.

Thank you for clarifying, though.

unvote
vote: Grib

I'm waiting.

[Grib]

Also,

Why are you voting for him?

[Grib]

grib, what are you?

I am the Witchhunter.

(town)

[Grib]

I'm calling out singer for vague!voting me and not answering my question.

[Grib]

ika, I think you forgot singer.

[Grib]

do you think she wouldn't think to fake "/hope" as scum?

what in her first game post was town?

I do not believe elusive would think to do that as scum.

Her first post very strongly reflects her town meta. ika can back me up on this.

grib, what are you?

I am the Witchhunter.

(town)

is this 1 of those dumb fakeclaims where you try to fish out players based on the roleclaim when all it does is successfully out speshuls due to set-up design? its like fishing off of a vt role pm and it shld never be done. hai metal

god I wish you pple wld stop doing this. it never works out and then you wonder why scum win so many games you play in.

you are in the unsure pile

No, it was a joke. There's a variant of mafia called WitchHunt that I love to play, so sometimes I make jokes about Witches.

w/r/t the bolded: why are you automatically assuming that your speculation is accurate?

Oh fiiiiine.

For transparency's sake, so everyone can see what I'm seeing:
You made a statement.
I told you how I interpreted that statement.
I said some other words to some other people.
Then I encouraged you to come back out and play.
You then made a defensive statement that in no way explained what you were actually doing (which was something I called you out on).
(you also asked me a question that was answered if you really were reading and trying to get a handle on the game and reads including me)
You

then

voted the one person to call you out on it.

Basically all I've seen from you has been anything but trying to parse out the game outside of buddying up to people in your circle. It doesn't feel like you're bothering to get a read on the "not easy people" to read, since if you're familiar with them, that should fall in place eventually, right?

Where did I go wrong?

Preview Edit:

I'm calling out singer for vague!voting me and not answering my question.

Apparently my post didn't post after I preview posted so...

guess that makes me scum then!

Fffff...more preview edits. Taking a breaking because I'm headaching.

What I saw was you implying you thought I was scum and then not doing anything about it. And then when I point this out and vote for you, suddenly I'm 'voting for the person calling me out?'

I like to get reads on the people I'm familiar with first because it's easier. They're both town, so I don't have much need to interact with them any further. There is no 'buddying.' And now I'm interacting with and trying to get a read on you. So far you seem to be more townread than not, though I can't say I'm seeing it.

Also, for someone attacking me, you seem to be awfully defensive. Bolded emphasis mine.

I looked through your posts. The only mention of ZZZX aside from your vote on him is in 86:

@Andy...I haven't had great experiences with ZZZX, either. In the game I played with him, he didn't claim beloved princess until he got rung up on like D4, and scum kept him alive for the win on D6. In another I saw him claim that he was useless early game, but "wait until late game, I really shine then!" It's not like I'm thrilled to play with someone who makes calculatedly bad choices as town, but what do you expect to "be done" about ZZZX? I'm not opposed to policy lynches in large games, because numbers imply town can recover from a mislynch, but in a smaller game you can't just use that as an opportunity to "teach someone a lesson" in the ways they suck as a mafia player.

Which doesn't actually say anything about your vote.

[Grib]

I swear to god I can't find it. Above the part I quoted, you poke Hydrangea and don't talk about ZZZX. Above that, you poke ika and don't talk about ZZZX. Above that, you talk about your 'scum like to delay pregame' theory, but you talk about yourself, not ZZZX. Above that, you poke about elusive and don't talk about ZZZX.

Point it out for me and I'll feel stupid later.

[Grib]

???

There is no explanation for your vote.

You said 'it's not RVS,' and in your next post you say 'what makes it scummy?' to elusive and talk about your theories. After that you elaborate on your theories, but I fail to see how any of it is relevant to your vote.

Explain it to me like I'm five and stop pointing to posts that fail to address what I'm asking.

[Grib]

Froggerson, elusive's questions are relevant for learning her alignment. Being antagonistic will just make her tunnel you.

Plus, you sound like a buzzkill.

[Grib]

Fffff, no, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I was very specifically not talking about myself other than why I confirmed so quickly. That whole paragraph was my theory that scum would delay of game (ZZZX was one of the last two to confirm), which Mollie even commented on later. (preview edit: I actually meant to respond to elusive's bold part about me "trying to look town" since it wasn't me trying to confirm first, it was me trying to confirm asap)

So Grib, I mean, I get skimming the game, or only commenting on specific things, but if you're talking about me purposefully being elusive (excuse my word choice), why wouldn't you pay more attention when trying to find the answer to your question only to paint me for being scummy for "not answering it"...

Gah, more preview edits:
Ok.
So.
I empty vote ZZZX.
Elusive initially interprets it as an excuse not to engage in the current discussion (which someone else pointed out was silly because I did in the post right before that).
Then ZZZX is like lolrvslol.
I say NOPE for rlz.
Elusive says "whaaat y u no explain".
I say "cuz theories!"
He says "these are mine, so..."
And I say "oh makes sense but no this is what it really is about."
Someone (elusive?) then says "well it's not proven so."

At which point we're here with you arguing that I didn't explain my vote thoroughly...at which point, it

really has been

.

Please stop implying that I'm not reading the game. I literally read your posts multiple times and didn't get what you were saying, which is why we're still talking about it.

I really wish you would have explained it much earlier. Misunderstandings are kind of embarrassing. Anyway, I'm satisfied.

A problem I have with your theory is that it doesn't take into account that some people are just busy IRL and can't get to the thread as soon as they'd like to. It makes sense that scum would want to prolong their pregame conversation, but aside form being a starting point for scumhunting, it's kind of meh.

[uvnote][/unvote]

I don't trust any of you.. (:V)

Yeah, no.

VOTE: Yukari

Yukari, who do you trust the least and why? Is there any other reason your vote is on Metal Sonic?

[Grib]

singer if you are town (and we think you are!) I really need you to focus here. I have a recently completed game with zzthing hint hint.

I swear to god I can't find it. Above the part I quoted, you poke Hydrangea and don't talk about ZZZX. Above that, you poke ika and don't talk about ZZZX. Above that, you talk about your 'scum like to delay pregame' theory, but you talk about yourself, not ZZZX. Above that, you poke about elusive and don't talk about ZZZX.

Point it out for me and I'll feel stupid later.

hey grib hey.

lets apply the same logic in your above post to what you are doing with elusive yeah?

do you think elusive is trying to scumhunt in her own special way? cos singer is doing so too but hers makes more sense to me mebbe it is a site meta issue?

?

singer and I had a miscommunication issue, and that was mostly my fault. This has nothing to do with scumhunting styles.

I know elusive is scumhunting because this is what she does every game. Also, I find your reasoning for not answering her questions (besides 'I don't want to') to be stupid.

also I am probs not gonna answer elusive's questions I think they are pointless and idc if she thinks it is a scumclaim. it isn't. it is me wanting to get shit done cos I usually have the lifespan of a housefly when I am town and I don't have time to cater things that I don't feel like is particularly meaningful.

mebbe I am just uncreative.

The Day is two weeks long, and you're not spending every second of that making super game-relevant posts. Nor are you dying at any point in that time frame. You have time.

Like, if she were asking these questions in LyLo or something, sure, I'd think they were useless. But it's the beginning of a game, and it's fun. Not everything has to be srs bsns all day every day.

[Grib]

Ughhh, I think Sonic is town, but that vote.

Sonic, ask Yukari a question that'll help you determine their alignment.

Yukari, do the same.

[Grib]

You forgot ZZZX.

[Grib]

Hey, Froggypie, 139 has a thing for you to answer.

[Grib]

Isn't the point of hydra'ing that you review and discuss everything with each other, but answer as one head? Or is that a stylistic option?

[Grib]

Plum: what am I?

[Grib]

Isn't the point of hydra'ing that you review and discuss everything with each other, but answer as one head? Or is that a stylistic option?

I think you can figure it out.

Besides...as an absolute and complete newb, there's no way I could answer your question anyway. If it's the one I think you're asking in 139.

Hydras are a pain.

There is no 'I think.' Only one part of the post is addressed to you (mollie), so it should be super obvious. And when I say obvious, I mean you can't possibly miss it. Unlike singer's brand of obvious. :P

[Grib]

Because that's how the game works.

[Grib]

Also, you're probably town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Plum

Hi.

[Grib]

Actually. Hm.

I'm wondering if that wasn't a scumslip.

[Grib]

Am I being too word-picky in reading this

Why should we trust anyone when atm the only role we can be sure of is our own?

as a Rolecop slip?

[Grib]

Plum: that's the point? Vote for ??? people until they convince you they're town or they get lynched.

What do you mean about the process of interacting with him and the result seem to fit?

[Grib]

Why not point it out?

[Grib]

Yup, it's unfortunate.

Good luck and have fun in the game. Hopefully if you're town we can solve this game in double time.

Hi mollie! <3

Sheeping ika because he is ika

I need to get a read on Andy! He is one of my top priority targets to sort! If he is town (I already have a town read on him) then it is advantageous to town, and we should collaborate reads and work together.



I was waiting for you to check in Mollie!!! :):) so here is my counter reach out

MS, care to clarify your cryptic statement to WNI?

No.

Why the fuck are there 2 votes on signer??? That's crazy.

Also I am town. I am de facto scum mislynch day 1 whenever there is no daytalk . Mollie help me you know that this is my town game and I got mislynch day 1 in AH redemption too.

These posts feel genuinely town. Bolded emphasis mine.

[Grib]

Yukari said it.

I still think Sonic is town.

[Grib]

I'll consider it.

[Grib]

Mod: V/LA for the weekend.

Won't have computer access until Monday.

[Grib]

I found a tablet with a wireless keyboard. Yay.

Sonic feels like total mislynch bait, and both his and Yukari's reasons for calling each other confscum or whatever are all pretty bad. The back-and-forth wall war is painful to read and mostly just a bunch of 'no u.'

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bookitty

Throwing a lot of shade about who she thinks is scummy, but not really backing anything up with a vote or even simple questions. Self-conscious about her lack of presence. Her talk of rereading the entire game looks more like an excuse to constantly be in a state of catch-up (and thus making it

look

like she's trying to contribute) instead of engaging in what's happening presently. 286 makes no sense to me; she called Metal Sonic possible scum, but is making deals with him on where to place her vote? This is where she should be pressuring him, or her other scumread elusive, or asking either of them questions, or

something

.

Awaitng her promised catch-up post, as well as her response to my suspicions here.

[Grib]

Ugh, mollie's post makes sense. And if it's true, that's actually really, really shitty? I also kind of hate using OOG information as evidence in a game. It just spoils the fun.

Haven't been keeping track of votes so I'll hold off for now.

[Grib]

Oh right, I declared V/LA for the weekend in my other game and forgot to do it here.

Mod, V/LA until Monday.

[Grib]

Wait, no, I already did that.

ika, stop confusing me. And don't tell me my lack of presence bothers you when I made a point of telling everyone I wouldn't really be here much.

[Grib]

So many people leaning scum on Bookitty; so little actual pressure on the slot. Amazing.

[Grib]

I've basically been V/LA since Wednesday but didn't realize that I would have no desire to be on-site at all during Vacation. Anywho, I'm leaving again, as I am going through another struggle and I must sort out my life again.

I request replacement.

Pax vobiscum.

-Andy

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Last reads list from where I left off:

Plum is town.

I have no reason to doubt Bookitty.

Did not get around to re-reading mollie/singer.
singer was leaning town though.
Grib is leaning scum.
ika town.
ZZZX town.

Pax vobiscum.

And then there's this weird, completely unexplained.

[Grib]

So many people leaning scum on Bookitty; so little actual pressure on the slot. Amazing.

i'm seeing bookitty as pretty null right now, not a lot to analyse. Would really like to see a reads list from them though.

All the more reason to poke at her.

[Grib]

Hey Grib, I'll sheep you

VOTE: Bookitty

<3

I was starting to feel invisible.

[Grib]

Hydrangea, hi. I'm bad at reading new-ish people. Because of that, among other things, I think you might be scum. You've been kinda defensive (or maybe 'passive' is a better word) from the get-go. Do me a favor and show some town initiative (487 is a good start but that's such an easy question) or show me you're trying to figure out the game. Maybe ask your nullreads questions and try to figure out their alignments?

[Grib]

Actually, here: ask Bellaphant three questions that will help you get a better read on her. Pretty please.

[Grib]

hai grib, can you talk to me about reads?

My lynch pool at the moment is [Bellaphant/Bookitty/Hydrangea/ZZZX].

I have a strong gut feeling that Metal Sonic is town, despite his atrocities. mollie made a good point about how he probably faked the whole list mods thing, but I think that's just kind of a shitty thing to do rather than scummy.

[Grib]

Like, looking through his ISO, I see that he:

- started out shamelessly sheeping ika (who is town); what is the scum motivation in openly sheeping someone from your first post?
- said something I find to be pretty towny in 23 ("Hopefully if you're town we can solve this game in double time.")
- has this attitude where he thinks he's being obvious town (or that mollie should see he's town), even though most of his posts are pretty bad
- responded to mollie's pressure by OMGUS'ing, and being proud of it
- rejects Plum's request to clarify something he said earlier; at this point, he's been pretty contrary and uncooperative, but I'm not seeing the scum motivation behind his actions. I can see the not-really-taking-this-seriously-whee town mentality, though
- honestly, I hate hate hate the Yukari push, because it is literally based on no evidence at all

I'll admit I've mostly been ignoring Sonic after he started 1v1'ing Yukari because it's all nonsense (I also kind of hate how Yukari eventually pulls a 'oh you fool this was all a gambit ha ha ha' out of their butt)

I'm not going to go over the rest of his posts, but. Despite the amount of bad posts, I really think he's town.

mollie: please link me to Sonic's Nightless posts that are similar to his play here, or maybe reflect why he is playing this way.

[Grib]

That request was meant for you.

Why are you voting Yukari over Sonic? Why did you ask Yukari to help you clarify your read on Plum if you think Yukari is scum?

[Grib]

I asked for posts, not the game thread.

[Grib]

hai grib, can you talk to me about reads?

My lynch pool at the moment is [Bellaphant/Bookitty/Hydrangea/ZZZX].

I have a strong gut feeling that Metal Sonic is town, despite his atrocities. mollie made a good point about how he probably faked the whole list mods thing, but I think that's just kind of a shitty thing to do rather than scummy.

it IS a scummy thing to do and has BEEN DONE BY SCUM BEFORE and you are

rewarding

him by letting him get away with it which is shittier than what metal is trying to do in the first place.

Just because it's been done by scum before doesn't mean it's always only going to be done by scum.

I'm being chickenshit about it because I think he's just bad town this game. It happens. If you feel so strongly that he's scum, get him lynched. You don't need my vote to do it. If he flips scum, then I apologize. I don't want any part in his lynch. At least not toDay.

See what I did, going through his ISO and pointing out why I think he's town? Do the same for me. Tell me why he's scum. Let's put the fake replace out thing to the side for a second. Please try to go into the mindset behind his posts, not just his words.

[Grib]

I asked for posts, not the game thread.

fucking hell grib.....

mollie can do that for me then. im not that much in effort but i know she will do it.

grib, why is bella and ZX in POE?

whats your town case on yukari btw?

WNI: why is ZX scum (im presuming you have him on scum lean at least)

If she wants to cite his meta, I want to see evidence.

Because I lean town on everyone else. Or at least lean town enough to not want to lynch them toDay.

Uh. Actually, I'm not. I just forgot to update my notes. I thought they townslipped at one point, and then I thought they Rolecop slipped, and now I'm undecided. So. Scratch that.

also, while I think her being inactive is a really shit reason for scum reading Boo here, I think Boo might be scum more or less bc

I haven't liked what she did while she *was* here

(Plum's point about her pushing MS/elusive comes to mind). I'll support the wagon there if need be.

I feel the same.

[Grib]

It's the combination of being inactive, repeated promises to catch up, and not really posting anything especially towny when she is here.

[Grib]

mollie, Sonic's entire play is basically anti-everything. It doesn't benefit him as town or as scum, and he's been posting in this fashion since the beginning of the game.

Why is he scum?

[Grib]

Mod, cancel V/LA, please.

[Grib]

Grib

ika
elusive

Metal Sonic
White Night Imagination (pieguyn + Brian Skies)
Hydrangea
Plum

Frogging Mollie (pirate mollie + Frogger)
singersigner
Yukari

Bellaphant r Andrius
ZZZX
Bookitty

is where I'm at. The [Plum/Frogging Mollie/singersigner/Yukari] cluster is the shakiest. At one point or another, everyone above Bellaphant has had at least a couple posts that made me stop and think they were town.

Honestly, based on unaligned pairs, Sonic's flip would actually be really great, but. Townread. Bleh.

[Grib]

saying he is being bad town is how scum win games on this site. cos scum count on town derping the fuck out of the game and it is their only recourse when caught red-handed early on d1.

I have told you why he is scum. I have said so numerous times. I am *in* the mindset of metal better than you cos I understand him and I have explained why he is scum and why his posts point to a scum mindset. this is simply what he does when he is scum going down.

if metal is town then this game will be pl fodder in future games. metal is 1 of those rare mafia players in that he actually grasps his impact on future games and I wld like to think that he wld not throw his town meta away just to win future games as scum.

I feel like you are underestimating metal in a pretty big way, he not a fucking derp. he knows this and more importantly he knows that I KNOW HE KNOWS THIS. his scumgame is a conglomerate of nacho/mastina/etl/titus <------- these are his scum influences.

I wish I cld make it easier for you but I don't know how. I am trying. but I am finding myself in the spot of having to prove an obvscum mindset and the questions that you are asking are already addressed so I am really stumped as to what to say to try to convince you of lynching obvscum here.

I get really frustrated when I think things shld be oh so easy and am thwarted by stubborn town. stubborn town think "oh it can't be this easy" when I am like yes it can, just follow the roadsigns that will guide you in the right direction.

my guard is down with you cos I think you are town and this is a reach out by the way.

Bad townies happen, and scum will take advantage of that. That's true. But aside from doing our best to determine one from the other, there isn't anything that can be done about it.

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

If this weren't Day 1 and you had more town credibility or something, I'd be more inclined to believe you. As it happens, it is, you don't, and I really, really would like for you to walk me through his posts so I can see for myself. 'i know him and he's scum, i promise' is just setting off red flags for me.

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

[Grib]

ika, people don't want to read a fucking 200 paged game or however long it is. If you can't be bothered to cite posts form it, what makes you think we'd want to read it?

[Grib]

could you give a key for your colour scheme grib

Goes in order of Roy G. Biv minus yellow. Red is scumlean, purple is townfirm + me (as the game goes on I put dead townies up there just because).

[Grib]

mollie, Sonic's entire play is basically anti-everything. It doesn't benefit him as town or as scum, and he's been posting in this fashion since the beginning of the game.

Why is he scum?

it benefits his scum game cos site meta points to letting him get away with it which is exactly what is happening right now.

do you have any idea how hard it is to get scum lynched on here? cos it is hard. you usually have to convince scummates to bus and that isn't as easy as it used to be.

if metal is town then this game will be used for wotc for putting ank in an awkward position and you know what? I am okay with that. I just think he is scum here.

Ugh. I really, really feel like we're starting to get into policy lynch territory and those really suck.

Like. If we were on some of the other sites I play on, he'd have been force-replaced or modkilled by now.

Like I said, I won't cry if he gets lynched. I just don't feel comfortable participating in that wagon, for in-game and out-of-game reasons.

[Grib]

ika, people don't want to read a fucking 200 paged game or however long it is. If you can't be bothered to cite posts form it, what makes you think we'd want to read it?

read his iso alone then at least is that so fucking hard?

if i really need to go find damned quotes to shove the damned point i will when im nto fucked up pissed at you guys

I'll go through it tomorrow or something.

[Grib]

His ISO in that game is over a thousand posts long. Fuck me.

[Grib]

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

[...]

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

I am not trying to handwave your read, I'm trying to understand it beyond your familiarity with him.

Yes, you're talking to me as an equal, that's great, I heard you the first time. I don't think I've ever implied that you were being condescending or anything, nor am I trying to discredit you based on the tone of your post.

I also want to hang out with nerds all day and talk about gaming. But first I want to understand your scumread on Sonic.

Also, which four games did he do it in and do you believe he'd go for it for a fifth time? Especially with you in the game?

ika, that thing you quoted is what we're trying to talk around at the moment.

[Grib]

It probably wasn't clear, but I quoted the parts of my post I would like answered. Like, just pick ~8 posts. I didn't go through his entire ISO, so I'm not trying to ask anything that would be unfair to you.

[Grib]

You think he's playing badly on purpose in order to get away with this kind of play as scum in the future?

I want you to go through [8 of] his posts and really spell it out for me. I'm not just going to take your word for it, as much as I'd like to. If he's such obvious scum, this shouldn't be a challenge.

[...]

I'm telling you exactly what I think I need to see in order to have a better chance at believing your case.

Do you see 504? Do something like that. It is literally that easy. Pretty please. Take a deep breath and humor me.

I am WELL AWARE that you and Sonic have PLAYED TOGETHER A LOT and your READ ON HIM is probably LEAGUES MORE ACCURATE than mine, but if you WANT ME TO VOTE WITH YOU it is YOUR JOB to CONVINCE ME and REFUTE MY REASONING for finding him town.

I'm not yelling at you, it's just easier to shift than italicize.

[Grib]

either way we are lynching a) scum or at the very least bad town.

saying he is being bad town is how scum win games on this site.

Like. Please understand where I'm coming from here.

[Grib]

okay. he is somehow town when he lied about not only the mod but the listmods as well.

my god he is such a fantastic player we shld save him right now.

plz explain to me the town motivation for lying about the gm. I am going to ask this question until you give a plausible reason for it fyi.

have you explained the town motivation for him lying about the gm and listmods yet? before I get to the end of this post I hope that you will have done so even if it is a plausible deniability disclosure.

jesus christ. I love how acting as if that is the main part of argument at this point and ignoring that metal lied about the mods.

if he is town and lying about the mods then THAT IS GIVING SCUM ROOM TO HIDE COS IT IS SCUMMY AS FUCK THING TO DO AND I AM GOOD WITH LYNCHING THE SHIT OUT OF SOME1 WHO DOES THAT.

how are you able to nuance his reads w/o acknowledging the lying about the mods? like no really gms sometimes get in trouble for losing control of a game word of mouth is a thing about a mod and I am wondering how the fuck you are endorsing this behaviour.

still waiting for the townie mindset to be explained about lying about mod interaction.

I bet it won't come forth.

if metal is town then I am still good with his lynch for that reason and that reason alone. cos I will not stand for 1 second some1 casting shade on a mod whom I personally support and will do everything in my power to disabuse that shit. cos that is what it is, it is shit.

[...]

I am drawing a line here right now and saying I don't think that shit is okay. I see metal doing it to be scum-motivated and it largely comes from that I don't think metal wld be that much of a douche if town. and if he is town then he is giving scum room to hide and dragging the gm and other players down in the process.

which wld be shitty. and I am A-okay lynching shitty players on d1.

Your read on him is driving me crazy, because it's like you want to lynch him for this shit alone and are retroactively giving reasons why he's scummy. This isn't a scumread, this is a 'oh Sonic did a shitty thing let's lynch him for it btw he's also kind of scummy' policy lynch disguised as a scumread.

Straight up, I'd have less of a problem with you openly endorsing a policy lynch instead of doing exactly that

but also giving shitty reasons for why he's scum outside of that

. Because that's the part that feels fake.

I understand you think that not lynching him is /~*rewarding*~\ him for his behavior or whatever the fuck, but it obviously wasn't bad enough to warrant a modkill, and I don't think he's scum, so I'm not interested in killing him.

Please link to one or two of the four games where Sonic has done this replace-out shit before. Or at least talk about how it was resolved post-game, and how he got away with it multiple times afterwards.

[Grib]

I have seen the tactic that metal is using from scum 4 times

Okay, I misread that. My bad.

I'm sorry you feel I'm spouting or making up bullshit, because that's the exact opposite of what I'm trying to accomplish here.

[Grib]

Whatever. I want this resolved one way or another. It's starting to poison the game.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Metal Sonic

If this has been TvT the ENTIRE FUCKING TIME I am going to be beyond pissed.

[Grib]

Mollie,
Linking to games that you are asked of to prove things is a good thing. I'm having the same problem as Grib that it doesn't seem like you are actually scum reading Metal Sonic but instead are bringing massive out of game reasons to want him dead. He's flailing all over the place and may likely die but honestly, both of you are acting very similarly with the AtE and just general sniping over out of game things.

[Grib]

Well, ika, I trust you and elusive the most. So if you're completely sold on mollie, then I will follow you.

elusive, what say you?

[Grib]

UNVOTE:

I hate everything.

[Grib]

Because I'm conflicted.

[Grib]

Thanks, elusive. I think I'll do some meta diving myself later tonight.

[Grib]

boop

Softclaiming. Softclaiming everywhere.

I'd only lynch MS to put a lid on this mess, but would otherwise want to lynch Bookitty.

[Grib]

Hey dragon.

Also wow the last two pages have been fun.

[Grib]

Lemme hear it.

[Grib]

Grib,

What do you think? What do you see?

ika's been anti-town as hell and outed roles without any reason to do so. Mollie resorts to weird metaphors about the allegory of the cave which if you've done Intro to Philo that's the first and easiest thing they go over so idk, try something deeper.

I'm thinking that neighborhoods on this site can indeed be a mixture of town and scum. Usually the town person tries to get the neighbor's role info and then confirm through thread\actions. So its possible that one or two of the hood are scum.

This 1 vs 1 kind of took the spotlight off some people like ZZZx who's posts I didn't like.

Since I'm annoyed by the whole MS Vs. Mollie thing, I'll just sheep your thoughts on how to get moving forward.

My issue is that I thought Metal Sonic has been town all game, that his claim was pretty towny,

and

I'm townreading everyone in the Neighborhood.

Yeah, ika's been antitown, but not in a way that makes me want to lynch him. If someone in the Neighborhood was a PR, okay, I'd maybe be a bit more skeptical. But. Yeah. This still feels strongly like his townplay.

Um. Neighborhoods. They're kind of annoying, because there's a bunch of wine w/r/t whether or not there's one scum or if they're all town (I doubt there's 2+ scum because that'd just be scumchat). For the moment, I'm okay with slotting the Neighbors as all townies.

The 1v1 has been super annoying and it really needs to get resolved because we're just going to go through this whole song and dance again until one of them dies.

fake edit: And then yeah, there's Sonic cherrypicking flavor. Bluh.

Of the three, I'd lynch Sonic, because that at least resolves the issue.

[Grib]

Actually, all ika did was out the flavor, and since flavor isn't alignment indicative it's not that antitown.

[Grib]

Aren't hydras supposed to have a PT or something so they don't have to, y'know. Talk to themselves in the game thread.

[Grib]

It's kind of a mess, so don't hold your breath.

[Grib]

That MS wagon was complete garbage.

I may believe Yukari depending on [redacted]. Standby.

[Grib]

This is why you don't listen to barking.

Knew this already and don't really want to interact with some people in this thread because what I have to say is probably against site rules. But {} imagine the worst and then double that.

pie was the person I was working with now we have some distasteful snot and etc. Let's see what we can do.

VOTE: Frogging Mollie

Want this slot gone, nothing else to say. Then Bookitty who was obvscum from day one, then whichever scumfuck is left over.

/barn

[Grib]

Are people typically notified if they're blocked? Would they get a message like 'your action failed' or 'you were blocked!'?

[Grib]

Okay.

I don't believe molllie is Bulletproof. Either there's a Roleblocker, or Yukari is lying. Which makes me feel eurgh.

VOTE: Frogging Mollie

I still want this, but I also want them to post so I can tell them how borked their wagon on MS was.

[Grib]

Honestly, though, I think mollie may be town because. Putting so much energy and emotions into a D1 mislynch is so...not worth it, really.

But that's the only reason.

[Grib]

Are people typically notified if they're blocked? Would they get a message like 'your action failed' or 'you were blocked!'?

We did not get any such message.

So what message did you get? Paraphrase it.

[Grib]

UNVOTE:

ANYWAY.

Personal feelings aside, I don't want to lynch:
ika
elusive
Frogging Mollie
Hydrangea
Plum
Yukari

Frogging Mollie should just be vigged, although I doubt that'll happen because Yukari is either lying or will just get blocked again.

ZZZX|Bellaphant r Andrius
dragonspawn
Bookitty

I forget why I had in my notes that ZZZX/Bellaphant aren't scum together. Eh.

[Grib]

hhh

[Grib]

Neighborhoods usually have at least one scum in them, but. I'm pretty sure ika is town.

I don't think scum!ika would shoot WNI, since that would narrow down the 'one scum in the Neighborhood' paranoia to him.

I'll get back to you on my reads.

[Grib]

Tere, your slot was obvious town before you replaced in, so. No one is worried about reading you.

[Grib]

VOTE: ZZZX

[Grib]

I mean.

You really shouldn't claim Vig on D1 unless you're about to be lynched.

Because then roleblocks happen, you beg for another Night to prove your ability, you get blocked again, and then we lynch you because it looks like you're lying.

[Grib]

Hm. Hydrangea, Plum, and ZZZX reads.

Bella, I tend to bounce between keeping notes for why someone is town, and quickslotting them if I feel like their posts are genuine or something.

I forget exactly why I had Plum and Hydrangea as town. They probably posted something that I thought was really genuine, so I slotted them as town and moved on. ZZZX ended up in my non-town pile via PoE.

I can look through Hydrangea's and Plum's posts if you really want me to, but until some of my gray-area reads flip, I'm probably gonna hold off on that.

[Grib]

I also have in my notes that you and ZZZX are likely not scum together. fake edit: oh right, because Andrius wanted to policy lynch ZZZX.

With Yukari failing to Vig anyone, plus that one time I thought he Rolecop slipped (which Frogger later wrote a case on, I kinda wish he had commented on it when I had originally brought it up but singer was the only one who acknowledged the post), plus [redacted], eh. He's at the very bottom of my townreads.

[Grib]

Honestly, if Frogging Mollie busted out all that AtE and OoG attacks and shit to push one mislynch, I'd be incredibly disappointed. You don't threaten to blacklist someone or personally insult them to bully everyone into following your lead.

I want to give them the benefit of the doubt here.

[Grib]

This is yesterDay's final votecount:

Vote Count 1.26

Metal Sonic (7) - ika, Hydrangea, Bookitty, dragonspawn, Frogging Mollie, Bellaphant, Yukari [LYNCH]
Frogging Mollie (2) - Metal Sonic, White Knight Imagination
Bookitty (2) - elusive, ZZZX
Yukari -
ZZZX -
Bellaphant -
dragonspawn -
elusive -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
White Knight Imagination -

Not Voting (2): Grib, Plum

If there's one scum off in la la land among the do-nothings (me, Plum, elusive, ZZZX), I'd say it's ZZZX.

[Grib]

Like.

All of the scum probably aren't on the MS bandwagon. MS and WKI are townfirmed. elusive is strong town, I'm super town. That leaves Plum and ZZZX ripe for the lynching.

[Grib]

Oh, and my reads according to the MS wagon: strong town, townlean, null leaning scum x2, townlean, null leaning scum, null!Vig.

So. Say, three scum: two on, one off. Not accounting for any Third Parties.

[Grib]

Oh right, the Bookitty wagon. It topped for a little bit, but then the MS wagon was pushed harder.

Spoiler: Votals

Vote Count 1.13

ZZZX (3) - Bellaphant, White Knight Imagination, Yukari
Metal Sonic (3) - singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika
Bookitty (3) - Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic
Yukari (2) - ZZZX, Hydrangea
White Knight Imagination (1) - Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

Vote Count 1.14

Bookitty (4) - Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Knight Imagination [L-3]
Metal Sonic (3) - singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika
ZZZX (2) - Bellaphant, White Knight Imagination, Yukari
Yukari (2) - Metal Sonic, ZZZX, Hydrangea
White Knight Imagination (1) - Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

Vote Count 1.15

Bookitty (4) - Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Knight Imagination [L-3]
Metal Sonic (3) - singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika
ZZZX (2) - Bellaphant, Yukari
Yukari (2) - ZZZX, Hydrangea
White Knight Imagination (1) - Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

Vote Count 1.16

Bookitty (5) - Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Knight Imagination, Yukari [L-2]
Metal Sonic (4) - singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika, Bellaphant
Yukari (2) - ZZZX, Hydrangea
White Knight Imagination (1) - Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
ZZZX -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

Vote Count 1.17

Bookitty (4) - elusive, Metal Sonic, White Knight Imagination, Yukari [L-3]
Metal Sonic (4) - singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika, Bellaphant [L-3]
Yukari (2) - ZZZX, Hydrangea
White Knight Imagination (1) - Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
ZZZX -


Not Voting (2): Bookitty, Grib

Vote Count 1.18

Bookitty (4) - elusive, Metal Sonic, White Knight Imagination, ZZZX [L-3]
Metal Sonic (4) - singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika, Bellaphant [L-3]
Yukari (1) - Hydrangea
White Knight Imagination (1) - Plum
ZZZX (1) - Yukari
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -



Not Voting (2): Bookitty, Grib

Vote Count 1.19

Metal Sonic (5) - Frogging Mollie, ika, Bellaphant, Plum, Hydrangea [L-2]
Bookitty (4) - elusive, White Knight Imagination, ZZZX, Metal Sonic
Yukari (1) - Bookitty
ZZZX (1) - Yukari
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
White Knight Imagination -



Not Voting (2): Grib, singersigner

Vote Count 1.20

Metal Sonic (5) - Frogging Mollie, ika, Bellaphant, Plum, Hydrangea [L-2]
Bookitty (4) - elusive, White Knight Imagination, ZZZX, Metal Sonic
Yukari (1) - Bookitty
ZZZX (1) - Yukari
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
White Knight Imagination -



Not Voting (2): Grib, singersigner

Vote Count 1.21

Metal Sonic (5) - Frogging Mollie, ika, Bellaphant, Plum, Hydrangea [L-2]
Bookitty (4) - elusive, White Knight Imagination, ZZZX, Metal Sonic
Yukari (1) - Bookitty
ZZZX (1) - Yukari
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
White Knight Imagination -



Not Voting (2): Grib, singersigner

Vote Count 1.22

Metal Sonic (3) - ika, Plum, Hydrangea
Frogging Mollie (3) - Metal Sonic, White Knight Imagination, Yukari
Bookitty (2) - elusive, ZZZX
Yukari (1) - Bookitty
ZZZX -
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
White Knight Imagination -



Not Voting (4): Bellaphant, Frogging Mollie, Grib, singersigner

Bookitty may have been a scum counterwagon, since I think mollie is town and MS is townfirmed. The wagon on Bookitty was all town, and then ZZZX and Yukari popped in for a bit.

[Grib]

Hm.

If Bookitty flips scum, that looks kind of bad for Hydrangea. She voteparked on Yukari for most of the Day, then switched to MS and stayed put.

[Grib]

Oh, and my reads according to the MS wagon: strong town, townlean, null leaning scum x2, townlean, null leaning scum, null!Vig.

So. Say, three scum: two on, one off. Not accounting for any Third Parties.

grib

in this order of analysis do you realize you have us as null leaning scum? when in 1346 you had us as town?

cld you walk me through your vca?

I have you as a townlean. The null-leaning-scum x2 refers to Bookitty and dragonspawn. Hence the x2.

[Grib]

You have got to be kidding me.

UNVOTE:

[Grib]

@Bella: yes.

Also ZZZX is town so I'm coming for you.

VOTE: Bellaphant

fake edit: go on, Tere.

[Grib]

If you're talking about ZZZX, we may be interpreting his posts differently.

[Grib]

Actually, I'm probably wrong.

UNVOTE:

Actually fuck this I am not staying up anymore later.

If i get hammred before I wake up tomorrow flashwagon the fuck out of whoever hammers.

Otherwise grib dies.

/hyd is nullish/mollie is null for me/bella is leaning scum.

What does this mean?

[Grib]

That

doesn't clarify anything.

[Grib]

Cho, before you read the thread please roleclaim as soon as possible.

[Grib]

Please do it.

This is important.

[Grib]

Oh my god, you're already claimed.

I'm trying to catch your predecessor in a lie.

Claim or die.

[Grib]

I was trying to take advantage of the replacement to see if I could catch you in a lie.

Calm your shit.

[Grib]

...ok yeah I just skimmed the Mollie ISO and looks like Yukari already claimed it. nvm.

This is dumb I hate being a public vig.

pedit I KNOW THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT BUT IF I WERE SCUM I WOULDN'T BE A FUCKING IDIOT AND NOT CHECK MY PREDECESSOR'S ISO BEFORE EVEN MAKING A SINGLE POST UNLIKE WHAT YOUR DUMB POSTS KEEP INSINUATING LIKE DAMN. MY GOD. FUCK YOU. BYE

This was uncalled for and I expect an apology once you return.

[Grib]

You actually aren't, and it's worked before, though the circumstances were different.

Anyway, talk to me once you've read things. The current rundown is that me, Tere, and ika are widely townread; Frogging Mollie is sorta mostly townread; Bookitty, ZZZX, and Bellaphant are the main lynch candidates. Your slot is questionable.

[Grib]

Tere, ika, and myself are all town and will never be lynched.

If you don't fire toNight, you will probably be lynched. Unless you act more town toDay and less...obnoxious.

[Grib]

I said obnoxious, not obnoxious scum.

I'd like for your next post to be game-relevant, rather than another attempt to keep up this bravado you've got going on.

What are your initial impressions of the gamestate? What are your reasons for finding mollie's four posts scummy? Why are you voting someone over four posts in the first place?

[Grib]

?

Talk to me about what? I'm not trying to come after you for your Day 1 thing, if that's what you're worried about.

[Grib]

Well, you could try talking to me, instead of asking Tere to talk to me for you?

I don't have any particular attachment to anyone in this game, except ika I guess, but he's town so yay for me.

I wish dragon and Cho would do something interesting.

Bookitty's last couple of posts have been pretty fluffy.

[Grib]

Agreed on ika.

Of the scummy crowd, Yukari was really the only one to get involved in the main issues yesterDay, since MS was tunneling them. I don't know what to make of the weird claims ('we're the Vig but we can also clear up MS by D2') but that's kind of moot since they replaced out.

[Grib]

Vote Count 1.16

Bookitty (5)

- Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, Yukari

[L-2]

Metal Sonic (4)

- singersigner, Frogging Mollie, ika, Bellaphant

Yukari (2)

- ZZZX, Hydrangra

White Night Imagination (1)

- Plum
Bellaphant -
elusive -
Frogging Mollie -
Grib -
Hydrangea -
ika -
Plum -
singersigner -
ZZZX -


Not Voting (1): Bookitty

On the other hand, they did make the Bookitty wagon lead over the MS one. I hopped off because the MS/mollie fight was really irritating, and then when ZZZX voted for Bookitty:

Now that you are back we can put our vote back where it belongs.

Vote: ZZZX

Please point out the lot of misrep you claim to have seen.

Which is. ??? Eh. It feels like a weak switch.

Actually elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, and ZZZX all get +3 suspicion points just for being on that wagon. Despite our slight scum read of boo, our reason wasn't to lynch but maybe pressure into talking upon their return. Every1 else on wagon gets suspicion due to the lynch seeming way too easy.

elusiveslot is town, MS and WNI are townfirmed, and ZZZX is something or other. If Yukarislot flips scum, ZZZX is a slight townlean. Unless Yukari was going for the whole 'toss in a buddy's name among a list of townies' but wifom wifom wifom.

[Grib]

Oh, and they're doubtcasting the entire Bookitty wagon, despite it being 95% town-driven.

[Grib]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cho

I'm gonna chill here for a bit.

fake edit: well alright then.

[Grib]

Game-relevant and towny.

[Grib]

It means making someone doubt someone else or their motivations or whatever. Basically painting them as scummy without really calling them scum.

It's 95% town because everyone on the Bookitty wagon is definitely town except for ZZZX/Yukari. Although I'm starting to lean town on ZZZX.

[Grib]

Bookitty (5) - Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination, Yukari [L-2]

I'm town, elusiveslot is a strong townread, MS and WNI are dead and town, and then Yukari is a scummy question mark with a weird Vig claim floating around them.

[Grib]

Wait, is Marquis replacing someone?

[Grib]

It's either that or Yukarislot is scum.

[Grib]

Man, it sure got quiet.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZZZX

Maybe a slightly bigger wagon will encourage people to post.

[Grib]

How is putting him L2 going to make people talk more?

Do you think He is scum or is this just trying to get some discussion going?

I still don't like the speed of the initial wagon against him. I don't think the scum would bus buddy that fast.

Well, if you'll notice, I voted and then people decided to post.

[Grib]

Also you basically asked me a question about something that's answered in the post you're questioning.

[Grib]

While it likely doesn't make you SK, I don't see how it makes you confirmed town?

"mafia claiming vig unprompted day 1 is lol no fucking way" > wine

"a scum-motivated kill went through last night while I was roleblocked" > in the world where you're scum, Yukari could have had someone else make the kill since they would have been worried about the possibility of being tracked

[Grib]

If mollie is town (which most of us believe), why would scum block a Vig pointed at a townie? That's two kills in one Night for them, and they could simply shoot the Vig later once they think the maybe!Doctor has used up both of their shots.

[Grib]

Hi.

I really just want to lynch everyone except ika, Tere, and Fro99er.

[Grib]

Yeah, sure, we can lynch Boo.

Too lazy to look up the votal.

[Grib]

Also, Cho should target one of ZZZX/Plum so we can wrap up that little which is which situation quick and easy.

If the Roleblocker wants to be a little bitch and interfere, whatever, bridges to be crossed.

[Grib]

You keep that mellow unharshed, Tere.

[Grib]

Eh, I doubt the Doc would protect mollie given the shit that went down D1 and how many people were going 'if MS is town mollie is a deadfrog!'

Also, yeah, I'm warming up to your whole 'there's a scum BP to counter the Vig' since there likely isn't a Serial Killer and mafia BP would otherwise be completely pointless.

[Grib]

Wow, that post really looks like a Doc crumb.

I wonder if the mafia will look at that and go 'hey, Grib is probably the Doc?'

[Grib]

Ahahaha, they shot the mislynch.

I'm the Tracker.
N1 > Yukari/Cho > nowhere. The mod confirmed that if mollie was Bulletproof/protected, I would have seen Yukari/Cho visiting her.
N2 > Hydrangea > Cho.

If Hydrangea flips Roleblocker, Cho is confirmed.

[Grib]

Tere was pushing hard for Plum to be lynched, so I figured if she had lived then we would have lynched her.

Yes, Chokari was either blocked or is not the Vig. Yes to the second question.

[Grib]

You voting Hydra then?

did you crumb at all? I'm worried about the PR ratio in this game.

Of course not. Scum are just as capable of picking up crumbs as townies are.

[Grib]

Actually, I guess these could be crumbs.

Okay.

I don't believe molllie is Bulletproof. Either there's a Roleblocker, or Yukari is lying. Which makes me feel eurgh.

VOTE: Frogging Mollie

I still want this, but I also want them to post so I can tell them how borked their wagon on MS was.

I didn't believe she was BP because I would have seen Chokari visiting her in that case.

Eh, I doubt the Doc would protect mollie given the shit that went down D1 and how many people were going 'if MS is town mollie is a deadfrog!'

Also, yeah, I'm warming up to your whole 'there's a scum BP to counter the Vig' since there likely isn't a Serial Killer and mafia BP would otherwise be completely pointless.

Same reason: if she was protected, I still would have seen Chokari visiting her.

[Grib]

If she isn't, that means Cho is not really a Vig, and we should maybe kill her? Unless she can think of why Yukari claimed Vig.

[Grib]

I know. I'm just saying, is all.

VOTE: Hydrangea

ika, if Hydra gets to L-1, hold off on hammering so she can at least leave a defense/readslist in case we're somehow wrong.

[Grib]

Hydra, if you claim Doc and say you were protecting Cho, I will 100% not believe you.

[Grib]

I only claimed because I used all my shots and can just be a soft townfirm.

Other PRs will do as they are wont to do.

[Grib]

I know.

[Grib]

I'd lynch Bella over ZZZX.

[Grib]

Yeah, well, I enjoy lynching scum.

[Grib]

It depends on how many vig shots Cho has.

But yeah, hopefully Hydrangea flips Roleblocker, and Cho can shoot [Bella/dragon/ZZZX].

[Grib]

I only claimed because I used all my shots and can just be a soft townfirm.

Other PRs will do as they are wont to do.

[Grib]

That was efficient.

And to think we could have lynched Boo Day 1.

[Grib]

We had a Gunsmith /and/ a Vig??

[Grib]

Oh, never mind, I thought it function like a vig-giver.

[Grib]

Wait, that means singer was scum.

I'm sad I let that go.