Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

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/hope

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Ooh, I haven’t played this game but the visuals and some of the instrumentals are epic. Lush.

I like Plum’s take on policy lynch, it is my own view. I’d rather take a replace or force replace over PL any day.
ZZZX needs to confirm anyway if they are going to be in the game. I have no clue what their playstyle is but this is game and it can get a bit rough, if you don’t like roughness then leave players who do like it\engage in it or don’t mind alone or change your approach to them. If you poke a tiger with a stick and it bites your head off then you’re the imbecile not the tiger.
Frogger, welcome! It’s easy to get frustrated. I’m not newish anymore and I’m still figuring out coping mechanisms for frustration. Recently, I’ve been trying using GIFs to replace words. So I’ll find a GIF that captures my feelings (roll eyes, punch wall, etc) and post that instead of words because words can get tricky.

I’m not sure why Metal Sonic unovted me after sheeping ika, what did he resolve about my lack of posts or anything? Why is he sheeping ika? What the what? Votes jump around a bit too much.

RQS Questions
If you’re town answer, if you don’t answer vig gets a nice clear headshot
1. Which element would you choose (theme related) – Water, Wind, or Warmth?
2. Choose a player you’ve played with already in this game and describe their town vs. scum meta
3. Choose a player you don’t know at all and ask them a question.

TIA

P-Edit: Don't like singer's vote on the player who hasn't even confirmed, it avoids direct interactions with anyone.

VOTE: Singer

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Have I slipped into some bizarre parallel universe where people take the RQS business at least semi-seriously?

I take it vry vry seriously like if you don't answer we can never ever be friends and stuff like that, and little birds somewhere will mournfully weep.

Also not answering is a scum claim, yeah

Singer, it's a "Voting someone who hasn't confirmed is scummy" vote but lucky for you ZZZX popped up so now you can figure him out

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Andrius, I like RQS. In fact I really like them. On my original site the people who were fun\sporting\creative and sometimes I got walls about people from questions like which element would you choose and why. I am able to better play when I know something about people and RQS helps me. My version here is the lite version but I still enjoy it.

And I don't reserve questions like that just for RQS, any time the game stalls or I need to reconfigure I ask questions so labeling them RQS is probably not quite accurate more like "Gentle Probing Questions" to help with voices.


Singer,

The possibilities are endless but initially I thought you voted someone who just hadn't posted and was in possibility of being replaced.

Other things possible are as a townie trying to prod a player but you didn't state that or imply it or as a scum trying to prod a buddy before they come under suspicion.

What are your theories?

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also I am probs not gonna answer elusive's questions I think they are pointless and idc if she thinks it is a scumclaim. it isn't. it is me wanting to get shit done cos I usually have the lifespan of a housefly when I am town and I don't have time to cater things that I don't feel like is particularly meaningful.

mebbe I am just uncreative.

This post could have just been you answering RQS questions instead of passive aggressively being passive aggressive but okey dokey smokey.

Singer

, I'll look through my games on here that are complete but I think Guy's theory isn't quite accurate. It depends on the scum personality and I've seen scum post early on because the earlier they post the less serious they have to be. I find that you trying to be the first to confirm is a bit weird,

why the focus on appearing town or not fitting a theory that is probably less then quantitatively based?

Plum

, there's two ways to look at it. This is a social game and I like to know who I'm playing with. Knowing things about people (or fluff as you might call it) usually results in treating them like a person and being comfortable with more jokey\fluff. I apologize in advance but I like fluff and fluff a lot.

Usually I kind of put people who don't answer in the category of uncooperative without any good reason to be so.

Grib

<3
I'm also waiting to establish a scum meta, RNG kind of hates me so I might have to wrangle some Mods' arms behind their backs or try cookie bribes or something.

Bookitty has hit my radar a bit, let's see what comes next whether she gets closer to the red signal at the center or veers off.

White Night Imagination, I want to know the story behind your name. If Singer was questioning people why put the vote in a way that doesn't align with her questioning? There is a bit of discord between questioning a person, maybe pressuring them but putting the vote someone else.

Hydrangea, I'd like to see more from you tomorrow I guess. Are you new? What is your experience?

Yukari, I'm a bit confused here. You don't like my cheeky comment about people who don't answer RQS being in line for the vig's sniper rifle? I enjoy little things like that. Also fyi I rarely ever reveal my role in obvious ways like that. If I'm crumbing it will be in a way that makes it

elusive

for anyone but those who its intended to.

ika, please don't jinx this game . I adore how engaged people are you don't know how horrific it is to be in a game where out of 13 players only 3 are active and trying to figure out the game.

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Singer, why did you feel the need to confirm asap (my bad on stating first I meant trying to confirm quickly) because of a theory? Or do you know what I'm saying? Why need to appear town based on an unproven theory rather then just be comfortable being town and doing actions that are more solid with town?


Mollie, try to let newbie speak more because that arrogant bs you pulled in DOA well it was annoying then and it will be in this game if you keep it up. At least ika has some charm to back up his particular spelling\grammar choices yours just scream some lack of idk awareness. Also just because ika likes you doesn't matter jack to me so kudos on descending into the uncouth so quickly.

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Also, does anyone else want to go through their completed games and figure out if there is some ratio of scum early posting or delaying posting?

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Mollie, cut it out. You have this "people from other sites are crap at mafia" approach and you brought it here about RQS questions. I'm going to try to refrain from getting into a belittling match with you because the spelling\grammar makes it an uneven match up.

Singer, I think what strikes me as weird is bringing up what seems like a very questionable theory and then stating that you confirmed as soon as possible to fit with that questionable theory? It's like me saying, asking RQS questions is a town tell so as soon after my confirm post I then made up some RQS questions to fit the town tell. I'm just trying to figure out why you would bring up a theory that seems so substance-less to justify a vote on XXXZ and also use it to explain why you confirmed when you did. Like I believe in Occam's Razor and your explanations are more complicated then the actions.

Anyway, beyond that what are your thoughts or meta on Bookitty?

Frogging, I have a small sample on MS myself but I might just go through the last 10 games in Mini Theme Game Queue and see what is what. Maybe Newbie Queue as well to see how it matches up. I like theories that can be supported by numbers of some sort.

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There's a difference between just being town through actions and talking town. I'm not sure where you're at right now. You're avoiding answering some things but we'll come back to that later.

Here is the question I asked in previous post that you seem to be having trouble with, "Anyway, beyond that what are your thoughts or meta on Bookitty?"

I don't think its too difficult but if you're still having trouble, I'll try to rephrase it.

Bookitty, in DOA mollie trashed all the players on my original site as being horribad at the game but she didn't know that I wasn't from ika's homesite but a totally different site with many amazing players who rock on MS too so I'm not too keen on her starting up that "players from other sites suck" stuff.

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I like that question

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I'm feeling better about SingerSinger.

VOTE: White Night Imagination

Hi, there Let's chat.

Grib, even if it were so which I doubt it, it would be better to minimize it over pointing it out?

Frogging, I'll try to do some data tomorrow or when I'm more awake - I'm interested to about this now.

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MS, you probably need to calm down a bit yourself. The claim of Ori was bad, how do you think you will survive night one for those who looked up the game and know the character if the claim is true? If Yukari flips town then you will be speedlynched next, are you willing to accept that?

I actually don't get Yukari, some of their posts have been difficult. Is Yukari a hydra or what is all the "Two souls" thing about and asking people to NK one of them? Can you explain Yukari?

Bookitty, Mollie tried to play the "U suck at mafia" game. If anyone plays that game with me, as in DOA, I will volley right back. I asked RQS questions, instead of answering them she in her own words "aggressively" treated them as "inferior" and took the first pot shot of the game. It was a low blow, she wasted a post about it instead of just showing her alleged epic scumhunting skills.

ika, I don't know Mollie and have no feelings there so I'm treating her exactly as she treats me. If her town play is to be mean as others have stated, well she should be able to take it too or wtf?

If you can't take it then don't dish it.

Even though her last comment was unnecessary whining bs, I'll give her a reset. She doesn't attack my playstyle (as she started this game doing) and I don't respond in kind. Fair?

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MS, I generally don't sheep unless I see the case as clear as day. Due to the slightly strange speaking style Yukari might be mislynch bait.

I'm going to read Yukari's two games on here from the Newbie queue, (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=58280) and (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=31336) and see what I can find and update here later.

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I actually suggest MS that you look at them too and since Yukari is newish and probably not adept at going against their town meta, see what's different from there to here.

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MetalSonic,

1. I think you should calm down and either go on a temporary VLA or think before you post.

2. Your reaction to light pressure was bizarre. You basically did a combo of frenzied posts, AtE, fixating on a newbie\possible mislynch bait, and claiming\fake claiming a character at a point when you weren't in deep danger. Honestly, the possibility of your claim being true and no cc is the only reason I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

3. I'm not sure about list mods but if you're head isn't in the game then take a deep breath, PM Anakamius and just wait and think your actions out. There are some mods who take the request seriously and replace you regardless if you change your mind later on.

4. If you are staying in the game, stop pulling these shenanigans and engaging in theater. No one listens to, except maybe scum, to people who are screaming\etc or don't provide logical and sensible cases. Not only that I find players who scream scum and give weak cases or don't do their research to be scummy. Stagnant reads is also scummy.

For example, I asked you to look at Yukari's meta and give your thoughts. Has that new information altered your perception? Did you even look and consider?

Mollie hasn't even posted much recently around your replace request timing so I'm not sure why you keep repeating that she's antagonizing you when that was in the past. The fact that she's on your wagon is one of the reasons I'm trying to engage with you and try to figure you out but you aren't making it easy. I'll ask again did you look at Yukari's meta?

It just feels like a lot of flail with you and without any tangible reasons for why.

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Do you know MS well? What do you think of my post to him above, particularly why he claimed at pretty low pressure and also why he fixates on Yukari without having done some research to back up his alleged scum read?

Also, what do you think of this:

Mmmm...no ok I can actually get on board with any lynch for ~reasons~ other than Fro99er and maybe Plum because she likes me right now.

It pinged me as off and continues to do so.

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Usually I work by trying to figure out who is town but I'm also very questioning of wagons and how they form and why.

Singer's "open to lynch anyone except 2" seems a little weird to me as it takes away the responsibility of having strong thoughts on more then two players (Frogging Mollie and Plum - as well as buddying Plum) and a little too passive. There are more town then scum so why is she at this point - when there is enough content to work with - not narrowing down who she thinks is scummy?

Ugh, the way you describe MetalSonic, I'll have to look him up as well. It just seems like playstyle that is a little anti-town.

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holy jesus mary and christ SINGER AND I KNOW MOST OF THE LIST MODS PERSONALLY PRETTY SURE THAT META DID NOT PM 5 LIST MODS AND GOT A RESPONSE WITHIN 10 MINUTES W/O THE LIST MODS TALKING TO ANK FIRST METAL IS LYIG HIS FUCKING ASS OFF ANY1 WHO IS TOWNREADING METAL AFTER THIS IS EITHER SCUM WITH METAL OR A FREAKING IDIOT

Bahahaha good call Mollie. This is why you're the expert head.

I'm actually in agreement with this.

I do agree that Yukari is not playing here the way they have in both newbie games (pointed out by Froggy, MS, and I believe WNI). Yukari is being strange and I don't like it because if she's town then it's just bizarre anti-town play that causes confusion and if she's scum well that makes life easier but I rarely believe scum to hand themselves on a platter. What I've been trying to figure out is that some of MS vs. Yukari feels fake or theater without actual emotion behind it, which I'm trying to parse through.

However, I'm still trying to fathom how 5 list mods would say anything about MS replacing out in such a short time period and without any reason. That lie alone is making dislike MS quite a lot even so far I haven't been able to check WNI's points about his playstyle. AtE also always annoys me at some level.

MS, link to your latest completed scum and town game.

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Will vote at updated VC.

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Hey Grib, I'll sheep you

VOTE: Bookitty

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Metal Sonic, I actively dislike your presence in this game. It's a weird mixture of AtE, showboating, theater for the sake of theater and I haven't had chance to meta you but you look scummy as hell. The only thing holding me back is the question, "Why would scum create such drama around themselves?"

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I need to reread but the whole Metal Sonic thing is making my stomach turn.

Bookitty is scummy based on her ISO.

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Mollie,
Linking to games that you are asked of to prove things is a good thing. I'm having the same problem as Grib that it doesn't seem like you are actually scum reading Metal Sonic but instead are bringing massive out of game reasons to want him dead. He's flailing all over the place and may likely die but honestly, both of you are acting very similarly with the AtE and just general sniping over out of game things.

Bellaphant,
in the Delicious mafia game Bookitty lurked a lot and had the similar posting style "catch up later, am busy" or "so and so are suspicious" without and follow up or strong logic. As compared to DOA where she was a town leader and helped lynch scum after scum. So her entry and her play since then fits better with her scum meta which is lurker\avoidance\lack of follow through.

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Well, ika, I trust you and elusive the most. So if you're completely sold on mollie, then I will follow you.

elusive, what say you?

I'm not sold on it, I'm looking at the mollie linked games to see what she's talking about. Like literally reading the game from beginning to end (the first one with ETL).

There's no Ori CC so that bothers me a little bit. If MS flips fucking Ori I don't care about ika or anyone else I will go into full on shank mode.

In general any sort of AtE disgusts me and is like turn off central. So I almost want to spite both and lynch someone else.

I'm also not sure why if MS is town they don't replace out for real? Like if you're town and don't want town to lose then replace out.

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I mean let me clear MetalSonic, if this was some scum gambit to fake replace, fake invoke the names of the Mods, bring out of game things into the game then I think we can make sure you're banned for this based on site rules.

I thinks Mods should follow the policy if that someone requests replace in thread, they are replaced asap. No take backs, no theater.

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Grib + ika:

Elusive's review of Mollie's linked scum games:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32581

Mollie + Des hydra (Herself) basically pushed town mislynches on shos and others, was suspicious of scum ETL on day two but ETL massively AtE'ed her way out of it through all caps and theatrics. ETL buddied hard, lurked, feigned ignorance, classic scum tactics through out but town was to busy tearing each other apart. Herself hyda also pushed Reck quite a lot and he has some breakdowns as well. Scum had a spectacular win, even though Broseiden lurked and ETL played badly, because of their suicide gambit. This is why lurkers = scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1825

The second game Mollie linked. I skimmed and ISOed this one. Mastin2 fakes a replace out as scum on day two and does an AtE with "it's not my call boohoo". ETL, as town, interestingly also does a lot of screaming, all caps bolded posts in this one and still engages in some AtE but not crazy levels of it. Forming a player meta on that one.

Overall, this just proves that people who engage in AtE or TMI should be speed lynched. Both scum do the fake replace out dance on day two, in response to being suspected\voted, in one case one weasels out of it and in the other town lynches mastin2 regardless of all the AtE.

This situation would not of course occur if Mods just replaced a player when they engaged in such shenanigans.

Or if town just slit the throats of people who thought anybody gave a fuck about their sob stories.

Now, later tonight I'm going to go through Metal Sonic's last 2-3 games and see what I notice and report back here.

Overall gut says MS not lynch for today due to laim but also partially because I don't see how anyone could be that despicable (fake replace outs like seriously that's so pathetic) but then again people strive to achieve new lows all the time.

Metal Sonic - yeah if you're town replacing out is better because if you're claim is true and town then

anyone

else has a better chance of handling it.

Bookitty might be a viable lynch, I don't like how she threw shade without follow up and I imagine her flip tells us something about mollie. Regardless of ika, I feel better about Mollie mostly because the other head of the hydra, Froggy, seems rational and calm.

Grib let me know what you think, I have a half mind to break some fingers so I need the sweet cop to help me see when enough have been broken . <3

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If MS doesn't flip scum then Mollie dies, whether you want call it a "Lynch all AtE BS" or "Lynch all people who bring OOG nonsense into game" If you're good with that then let's have MS to L1, have him full claim his role. You good with that?

Also remember that emotions is the one thing I dislike having to deal with in a game. So that well, for this game, has run dry.

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pieguyn, I'm looking at the Taylor Swift game right now (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6698525). You and MS were pretty on point with reads there. MS doesn't post as much as you do but his reads posts is pretty excellent when he does as he nails three scum right away. The ISO is very calm and controlled though, no crazy emotional outbursts.

So are you basing your defense of him one knowing him well? Can you link to games where as town he's had emotional breakdowns?

Bookitty, same game, town ISO (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6709372). A lot more engaged and on spot with her town reads. Also she's far more relaxed\natural in tone.

Mini 1630 is also another hydra of MS.

Mini 1624 is MS replacing into a near conf town slot. (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6627479). Many votes, carefree\relaxed attitude, his response to being read as scum is light-hearted, direct phrasing

TwinTrap is MS Vanilla town, also carefree, bold tone. Gets a few rage posts, #2306 and beyond, after his scumread Quilford. He also does meta research and talks about it a lot. He's absolutely wrong about Quilford but he rages all over the place about it, lol.

MS, can you link the your recent scum games? Or the game you mentioned hydra-ing with Mollie? You have a lot of topics so I'm having trouble finding the scum ones. TIA.

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This isn't related to the game but with personalities, aka Bookitty and Mollie so in spoilers and irrelevant to the game:

Spoiler:

Bookitty, Mollie started it - she already stated that she aggressively took a pot shot on me for asking RQS questions and in DOA she took several based on thinking I was from a different site. The fact that you are now misreading or ignoring that aspect of her play and how she keeps asking your for help confuses me and makes me wonder about whether the two of you are aligned.

Plum also wasn't favorable about RQS questions but handled it differently. Mollie on the other hand, I mean her reputation as town is "mean," my reputation as town being tunneled is also "mean" but I generally avoid low blows and hers went too far for my tastes without deserving some adequate response. That's the difference with a pattern of taking pot shots.

Looking through some of mollie's games she has a habit of trying to degrade players with statements about how she doesn't know why she plays mafia anymore because apparently players these days are such dumb fucks. I mean look at the ETL game she had me read, she does the same thing there and she did the same thing in DOA. I notice patterns and I don't take insults whether passive aggressive or otherwise from anyone. Players who think they can shit on what they assume to be newbies or different from them, are just a lot more about themselves then anyone else.

I'm not new to mafia - and no longer new to this site. I do have a chip on my shoulder and confidence in my abilities. I always believe I can win fair and square through effort and will. That's my attitude. If you get in my way though then you'll feel my wrath.

I actually don't mind players with attitudes like Mollie's - she tries to bring players to emotional breakdowns through haranguing (as in the game she linked and I read and this one) - IF they can deal with getting the blowback in response. But when I gave Mollie some of her own condescending attitude back she tried to play the sympathy card and asked ika not to invite me to games she /in'ed to. Awww...crocodile tears, much? Either be capable of owning your own shitty attitudes and stop pretending to be a pure little hippie snowflake or I don't care.

Mollie I really don't care about your crazy theories about little munchkins or aliens or Chihuahuas living in peoples brains and doing jazz hands, I have my own more clear theories about your in game demeaning insults.

You reaction to receiving even a light insult back is to resort to personal attacks that go out of game and attack a person's psychology. Are you denying attacking me on a personal level now with all the "inferiors" nonsense or crazyspeak?

I wouldn't want to go into personal territory because that would be rude and OOG now wouldn't it?

Yukari wants to now keep MS alive after 1 vs 1ing him for so long. MS I presume also wants the same thing? Yukari basically soft claimed an investigative so ugh. Yukari is totally playing against their town meta in two games on here and I don't know what to account for the huge change.

The problem I see with WNI is that I don't think they would try so hard to protect a scum buddy? If MS ends up flipping scum then that put WNI in a really bad place? I'm trying to think through that.

Bookitty, explain the several people who found you try to connect me to MS and why their response is as you said out of proportion? As in point out the people who didn't like it and explain the motivation you see behind each one.

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Singer, I know in another game a Mod replaced a player upon request even though they later tried to retract the request. I feel like that should be a site rule overall. If you request replace in thread, then you are to be replaced. No take backs.

It also makes it really hard to isolate MS as a player without the OOG things mucking things up. Then when I read MS, Yukari interactions I feel like I'm trying hard not to conf bias but don't know what to do.

Then MS refuses to replace out either so is this going to turn into an MS\Mollie game if one of them isn't lynched? It's just messy.

Singer what are you meaning by I offered it up out of the blue? What exactly are you referring to?

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I thought you were suggesting the soft-claimed investigative role and interpreting it more bluntly so there wouldn't be any room for questioning and then it would put Yukari in an awkward position of confirming or denying it or ignoring it.

I didn't see where Metal said it first, though, so I'll have to look back at it. I kind of only started reading up from today since that's all I had time for commenting on and figured would have the least questions already answered, but I'll do more on the 8 pages I missed after work tonight.

Yukari's soft claim is pretty blatant so look for it.

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MS, the neighborhood was pre-made? As in you didn't get to choose or anything?

This game is in a weird state right now.

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ika, you can't argue that flavor means nothing and then try to argue that flavor means something. And in the end Kuro sacrifices herself to help save the day so if that's the case then MS and pie are town based on flavor.

I'm having a little trouble with the VT part of the claims due to reasons. I'm also really annoyed at ika outing the flavor of pie at least and also hiding the fact that he was in the neighbor and that there was a reason for MS to be friendly towards him.

pie has been pretty convincing so far, I like being able to follow her reasoning and logic.

I don't like Mollie's game here, I'm not sure what the alignment is, but she has no other scum reads it seems other then MS and pie for defending him which seems very narrow. Then after reading the ETL game, her tunneling or yelling scum at town is a thing.

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thanks ika, for outing roles and helping scum narrow the nk pile. good work.

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ika, I'm probably not going to be open to discussions tbh because I've reached my own level of pissed off.

MS, your play in itself would get you lynched. It may yet. It's pie that I'm following in terms of trying to understand you.

From experience neighborhoods can include both scum and town so there's that.

At this point ZZZX is someone I want to look at closely.

Froggy, you've been doing great and I always enjoy players who's reasoning is sound and I can follow their logic. It's the reason I'm not voting your slot.

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This game was going great, everyone except maybe 1-2 people, were participating and active and engaged. That was lovely. Then it became a 1 vs. 1 nonsense perpetrated by one player.

We've had some useful discussion and interactions but far too many roles outed or soft claimed so that's a mess.

I'm not sure what to do because MS\Mollie is what harmed the game state and then ika's Mollie fixation with him doing the most anti-town things possible.

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Yukari has soft claimed and then blatantly claimed Investigative. In principle, I'm against lynching soft claimed PRs without at least some way to confirm the claim.

Yes, Yukari is acting weird. Is it scummy? Perhaps, however there was no CC and probably shouldn't be one at this point anyway. Her meta change could be because of being scum, or a town PR, or trying to change playstyle. I have no clue.

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Pie already answered that.

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Kuro is the main antagonist but at the end of the game Kuro sacrifices itself to save the forest. So its a spoiler and plot twist.

However, again I'm having difficulty with the flavor is not equal to alignment argument. The sample role PM that Anakamius put up flavor does equal alignment but the game rules state the opposite. In either case, how does that info mean anything? A mod cannot lie that flavor is not equal to alignment.

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Grib, I need your help please.

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Grib,

What do you think? What do you see?

ika's been anti-town as hell and outed roles without any reason to do so. Mollie resorts to weird metaphors about the allegory of the cave which if you've done Intro to Philo that's the first and easiest thing they go over so idk, try something deeper.

I'm thinking that neighborhoods on this site can indeed be a mixture of town and scum. Usually the town person tries to get the neighbor's role info and then confirm through thread\actions. So its possible that one or two of the hood are scum.

This 1 vs 1 kind of took the spotlight off some people like ZZZx who's posts I didn't like.

Since I'm annoyed by the whole MS Vs. Mollie thing, I'll just sheep your thoughts on how to get moving forward.

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This is why you don't listen to barking.

Knew this already and don't really want to interact with some people in this thread because what I have to say is probably against site rules. But {} imagine the worst and then double that.

pie was the person I was working with now we have some distasteful snot and etc. Let's see what we can do.

VOTE: Frogging Mollie

Want this slot gone, nothing else to say. Then Bookitty who was obvscum from day one, then whichever scumfuck is left over.

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Vote this slot out so we don't have any more AtE BS ruining the game for everyone else.

VOTE: Frogging Mollie

This needs to end.

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Yukari you tried to get Mollie and couldn't? Is this the summation of why you think she's bulletproof?

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Metal Sonic (7) - ika, Hydrangea, Bookitty, dragonspawn, Frogging Mollie, Bellaphant, Yukari [LYNCH]

How many scum are on this wagon? Let's play that game.

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I mean MS did a replace out gambit and then took it back, so did Mollie. Why fake replace outs? Either replace out or you're as guilty as MS and deserve a speed lynch.

Also, MS sorry for being a bit harsh although you have a good friend in pie and I like her and hope to play with again.

Bookitty's vote on Froggy slot is bizarre. If that slot had even a remote possibility of being town then her vote doesn't make sense. From the hard on of yesterday to today is a 360 that leaves a bad taste.

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Yukari has said nothing disrespectful at all. Nothing.

Ika and Bookitty had a Mollie hard on for day one allowing her to spin complete bullshit and either sheeping her or using her to mask their own BS. Mollie has HUBRIS issues that aren't uncommon on this site but if you point out her condescension to other players she has a fit.

Sorry, I did read the ETL game, each post and Mollie led town mislynches. As town leader she was a failure. Scum didn't win because of epic play they won because Mollie helped them with her HUBRIS.

What's funny, for people who actually take an interest in studying psychology, is that Mollie attempts to paint people who don't worship at her altar of lower case etc as inferior. She brings up the word herself and attaches it to those who don't obey. That's not how psychology works, try taking a class or doing the next best thing which is to read a book.

I want Mollie out of the game for these reasons:

1. Brought OOG issues with Metal Sonic (in particular a game where he was scum) and used it as the basis to tunnel him for pages on pages and got him lynched.
2. Spent all of day one, about 120 posts (discounting Froggy because he is new and his playstyle is palatable whether town or scum in this case) trashing Metal Sonic and FOSing WNI for defending him and also FOSed me and Grib for not voting as she wanted.
3. Engages in hubris, self-aggrandizing BS, poorly constructed and unsound potshots at players who call her scum (referring to me and Yukari as "inferior" for not being part of the mollie cult - neither of us think or believe we are inferior - she brings it up because its how she feels), and AtE.
4. At best is scum and town will be better off without all of the above and at worst is town and town definitely will be better off if we don't have a repeat of the ETL game I reviewed.
5. The belief that the cult will save her from being lynched even as scum because she's "entertaining." One I beg to disagree, this whole 1 vs. 1 thing with MS was disgusting. 2. Every post is full of a mixture of blah blah blah BS.

Bookitty is also certainly scum. ZZX is a question mark. Town needs to hear more from Hydrangea and Bellaphant.

I don't think all scum would go on the MS wagon but considering all the blah blah blah, its possibly a very easy place to hide.

Yukari if you can vig Bookitty night two that would be amazing. Also totally agree with what you said and its not rude, its simple observation and since you're new and experiencing this kind of play for the first time I'm glad to agree with you.

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How nice, do you think I really care?

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I found your BS towards MS and Bookitty's really disrespectful too and disgusting and low. However, that doesn't change what happened.

Mollie's "you're going to lose the game" is so much condescending BS, its amazing how anyone ever won a mafia game without her leading the show.

Do not care.

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Sorry, ika but in the vicinity of the game you outed town roles including mine and did the most anti-town things you could. Why the fuck should I care what you think?

After Mollie spent an entire day revolving around MS and getting him mislynched, you're back on the Mollie train. Sorry, that's now how I work. I may think really highly of Titus and in the Witch hunt game followed her scum train for a short time but when she stopped making sense I got off and started thinking for myself.

What have I done here that is the same? In both cases where I had issues, I tunneled scum and they had a fucking breakdowns with being called scum fucks and being treated with suspicion. SO no, it's not the same and I don't appreciate you're attempt to make it seem so.

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Grib, I agree with you although I'm furious. This game is a mess to even go back and read.

VOTE: Bookitty

Let's start here and then deal with the rest.

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Again ika, I'm not apologizing and I don't care. Your attempt to compare apples with oranges doesn't work.

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Mollie,

What are you on right now? That wasn't even about you? Mind your own business.

Like I don't even get half of what you say and nor do I care?

Like why are you going out of game constantly with me and to a lesser extent Yukari? Why do you think you're here to psych our RL when that's none of your concern and nor in a million years could you adequately know anything about anyone from playing a mafia game with them?

I don't care about the RQS, you aren't the first or last player to not answer questions. I do notice a pattern with you in games where you take swipes at players for being new\not knowing how to play\how tired you are of players who don't know how to mafia\ and considering what I've seen of your abilities, that seems unnecessary hubristic.

The fact that you aren't giving game related info is more telling.

Within the confines of the game, you're annoying because players with a hard on with you won't lynch you even if you are scum so quit the attempts to

project your own issues on to others

and play the game.

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And if the neighborhood conversation wasn't a hoax then two dead neighbors are town and flipped, what does that make the remaining neighbor? Also town? That's fucking convenient after all that BS about how there has to be scum in a neighborhood.

Convenient, easy reads.

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I'm not bitching or whining, I'm responding to Mollie attacking me constantly with Out of Game attacks about my psychology which she has not authority to make, if you can't see that then you have something wrong with you.

I'm asking simple questions about the game based on statements made which neither you nor Mollie want to answer.

@Ankamius, please replace me. I'm done with ika and Mollie's out of game attacks.

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Hope.

Replaces worked out really well for this game and yay town won!

Ankamius, you did a great job as Mod. I'm not sure if its allowed but maybe Mods can ask players who are getting heated up to cease posting for 12 hours or something? That might help alleviate some of the tension.

Also this game is so damn beautiful, just epic. It reminds me of Rayman Legends but more elegant.

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I didn't replace out because I thought Mollie was being condescending and attempting to "psyche" out players through vague OOG references to defects, psychological or otherwise - that's seems to be her MO across games.

I replaced out because my reactions to her toxic bitching were going to get out of hand and I'm just tired of playing with people who purposefully act like that but hide behind a facade of BS. If you don't like being bitched at don't start things or apologize without adding more bitchery to it.

MS did some obviously dumb things although this game did not seem like his last 2-3 games which I looked up when all the drama was going down.

Some people are not meant to play together because they just press the wrong buttons. It's a big site with lots of games, see a name that irks you, stop letting people who don't matter get under your skin, join something else.

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Also I was writing about Bookitty, which like more then half the town was. But I was also right about singer being scummy.