Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Bellaphant]

Hi to elu, grib and ika! Hi also to those I've not played with before I'm catching up, if anyone wants to summarise the key stuff that'd be ace.

[Bellaphant]

Hi letters (xxxz), sorry for missing you out.

(Disclaimer, I'm watching Eurovision and have had rum.)

My predecessor didn't do a huge amount and our reads are way off, apparently. Initial reads-list, having caught up:

Town:
Elu (do I have to answer your RQS?? )
WNI
Ika o.0


Nullish-Town
Froggie-Mollie
Yukari


Nulls
singer
grib


Null-ish/Scummy
hydra
letters
boo
plum

Will explain any of these when questioned. Also, am inclined to think the metal-nonsense means he's obvi-scum. Happy to vote here.

[Bellaphant]

Hi,

I don't really 'know' anyone, I'm hella new, but I'm in ongoing games with most of them. Also, that list isn't in any order, sorry, but I've liked some of wni's questioning of others. At the moment their thought process seems mostly logical, so they can be weak-town for now. Do you disagree? Why?

Metal looks like obvi-scum - my last sentence referred to him, but maybe I could've been clearer.

[Bellaphant]

okay.

I find it kind of strange that you think you wni's posts somehow are "logical" yet somehow miss his hard defense of metal, I mean did you think those posts were particularly logical when you think metal is "obvscum"?

and out of all that has been posted those were the only 1s compared to all other players?

this grieves me

I don't understand your third sentence. WNI seems, at times, to be frustrated that others aren't sharing their POV, which isn't a scum tell, but...

while I agree MS' "replace out" looks really bad, the problem is that I think he might actually do something like that as town - along the lines of legitimately wanting to replace out, deciding not to, and then making up the excuse after the fact hoping he won't look like complete shit off it

survivalism != automatically scum for someone like him

I'm not saying he's town for it; just that *if* I scum read him here, it won't be for that. the only reason I've found potentially compelling for him being scum is still the way he immediately reacted to mollie/Yukari out the gate.

I haven't checked Yukari's meta yet. will do that after catching up.

Is terrible. As is the continued asking for froggingmollie to back their shit up, when it's kinda obvious what's going on. Cancel my town-read on that slot for now.

ZZZX, Hydrangra, and ika. We suspect at least 1 or 2 scum among them.

Hi Yukari: can you talk to me about your ika read?

i'm going to presume this question was for me. If it wasn't for me my bad... probably a good idea for me to get in the habit of doing something along these lines anyway

@Bellaphant

1. Why do you find yukari townish? Is it because you consider MS to be ovs-scum? If it is that is there any other reason that you find them null-towny, or if it isn't that what are your reasons?
2. If you consider MS ovs-scum why aren't you voting him?
3. Your vote is still on ZZZX via Andrius who previously inhabited your slot... do you intend to move it to MS or keep it on ZZZX? If your keeping it on Z can you explain why you find them more scummy than MS?

1) Partly, yeah - mainly his response to it, in posts such as 293. Also, although I'm not always following their thought process, the 'flow' of it seems very natural and town-y. Their thoughts about the set-up and ms seeing their role pm are either a really clever manipulation, or something I'd read as town. If you disagree, why?
2. Have a terrible, but honest, answer - I was drunk last night and I don't drunk-vote. Will rectify this.
3. See above. I'm moving it.

However,

ZZZX (2) - Andrius, White Night Imagination, Yukari

so

And:has the vote since rvs and has said he town reads me before he replaces, so vote here has no value

WNI:I dont get it, explain the reason to scum reading me

Yukari: I dont get urs either, its a pure omgus with some "omg saying im saying bullshit is bullshit" without explain it... yea

anyway i skimed last few pages but didnt read in depth, wanted to say something but tbh i cant remeber what it was, checking back later

This focus on his votes is really survivalist and weird. He's not even using it to make comments on the people voting him, it's all about the votes. Also, the post almost acknowledges the lack of content...ugh. Is this pinging for anyone else?

However, for now,

VOTE: Metal Sonic

[Bellaphant]

Yukari, I asked you about your ika read

[Bellaphant]

Elu, talk me through the boo-read? The MS thing is starting to feel icky on all sides.

[Bellaphant]

@elu, yeah I was following one of her games in Rome and I agree about her town meta...

[Bellaphant]

WNI - I think a lot of the you v mollie is frustration at not being understood. The defense of the replace out seemed really odd and forced to me, but it's happened in a few games recently where someone has defended something I see as scummy and given as 'just because' reason for it.

If some of your defense is prompted by mollie (and I kinda like the honesty), would you have a reason to scum-read MS?

Also, do you think ms v mollie (via you) is anti-town? 'Coz, like Grib, I can kinda see the advantage of lynching ms just to shut that down...

p-edit, you kinda addressed some of these. Also, 'coz I've forgotten, which one of you uses punctuation properly?

[Bellaphant]

What's weird about this is I was a replacement, so clearly it's not prohibited?

[Bellaphant]

zzzx, why you voting yukaria? Especially if wni has 'massive scum points?'

Grib, why?

[Bellaphant]

Yo, I checked my role-pm and it doesn't actually say 'hermit', so sorry about that. I take a r-l day or two to warm up when replacing.

@WNI, interesting that MS decided I 'did fuck all' all my posts were scummy, and then you echo his concerns. If you've got any questions for me, rather than statements, please let me know The mollie/elusive/ms/yukari thing (with you on the side) is difficult to parse and I don't think we're going to get much out of it 'til somebody flips.

However, why is bookitty scum? I'm trying to weigh up two scummy slots, on of whom will give us a lot more information in the flip, so I need persuading here.

[Bellaphant]

@yukari, pretty sure the rules there are different for hydras?

[Bellaphant]

@FroggingMollie, what do you think of the two wagons at the moment? Does one look more populated with town-reads?

[Bellaphant]

@yukari, good question. And yeah we do have a while before deadline.

What do you think of the two wagons, actually, while we're here? This is open to everyone...

[Bellaphant]

admittedly I didn't notice until after MS started claiming you weren't doing anything

after that I took a look through your ISO to take a look at it; it wasn't until then I realized you had outright disappeared the last few days.

Boo is a weak scum read based on a few off notes in what she's done so far. her pushing MS/elusive as a scum team near the start of the game felt more like she was just stretching to find original reasons to go along with the scum read on MS. the way she's claiming mollie is making "good points" when she's really obviously not is also baffling.

the preemptive way she tried to discredit my response to her when talking to me about mollie is also something I don't think I've seen her do as town, or at least not in that way. it came off overly defensive to me. but that's more gut than anything. I kind of liked 713, but by itself I think it's fakeable.

I'm aware you said you were still in the process of figuring it out, but regardless, where are you currently at re: the Boo/MS shitstorm that's going on? incomplete thoughts are fine.

Okay, I liked that you addressed that. However, I replaced in on Saturday night over the w/e, so I'm not too bothered about activity. It doesn't help my time-zone is different, 'coz getting involved over night isn't gonna happen. But, noted.

Boo's read on elu at the start felt weird for me: I'm town-reading elu, are you? 713 is one of her most recent content-filled posts, but the support for MS in the middle, especially about claiming Ori when others have stated it's not alignment indicative is strange. What's more interesting is that it seems to briefly make Ms think she's town, but Boo appears in the lynch list from him like 2 posts later...

I think mollie's case is up for challenge: bits of it work for me, but parts of it feel very 'reachy', like the discussion over whether it was rvs with yourself. To totally support it, whatever your read on Mollie, seems blinkered.

Ms's early game was kinda frantic: he'd had 4 votes by his 19th post, which isn't just rvs (at least two of them blatantly weren't). The reads list here 166 shows no nuance, it's kinda lazy: it's backed up later when he says everyone is town, but no-one is strong town, which...ugh. The demand for the yukari wagon could've come from town, but even by then he'd not got the town-cred to pull it off. 249 is horrible as either alignment. Their town-read of letters seems to based on his yukari vote.

The replace-out thing is a nightmare, as is the honeypot. In a way, I can see why Mollie is tunnelling hard, but it's not progressing the game very much and deviating off into smaller fracas, such as with you. Mollie is taking pot-shots at time, but even MS said that 'mean' mollie was her town-game: I'm relying on people with better meta knowledge than me to confirm this.

The whole thing is bad, but my gut says MS is scum, or at best anti-town. That wagon also gives a bunch of information - for me, it looks a little townier than the boo wagon, but if it flips town it helps to sort a bunch of reads. I'm supporting the lynch today, but if content from boo doesn't improve, or ms flips town, then mollie (or, more probably, the people who've defended weaknesses in mollie's push) is a concern of mine and I'll have to make more of that over night.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE: ms phone posting, but need to process that info.

[Bellaphant]

@ms, how do you know we are in those two set ups? Also, to those previously scum reading yukari, what are your thoughts now?

[Bellaphant]

p-edit: ok, ms was arguing the same thing, just really badly still, have some maths. o.0

Spoiler:

It might be my reading comprehension as well, but I agree with FroggingMollie about the pools: the only way what Ms is saying makes sense is if he thought the mod would add in a Vig as an equivalent to the BP for 'balance', but that's not what he's saying.

So, Imaging you rolled

ttts (pool 1,2,3 town, pool 4 -scum) - you'd get a rolecop, and 3 of (vt, 2 shot - fruit vendor/tracker/voyeur/doctor, miller). What you wouldn't get was two 2-shot Drs (which could happen - they would be re-rolled). You'd then add other roles around this, that aren't fixed. I can't see any reason why one of these extra roles couldn't be a vig?

So I don't get why Ms is so certain we're in 2 and 3.

[Bellaphant]

@plum, I mentioned a similar reading of the situation to WNI a while ago, and it didn't go down too well. It's frustrating I know, but do you think it's alignment indicative at all?

[Bellaphant]

Hi Dragon, welcome to the game. Your most recent posting has made sense:
Ms calling himself basically 'mod-conf town' is ridiculous, and unnecessary if he IS town.

I'm happy to put my vote back here.

VOTE: MS

I highly doubt this will flip town. If it does, we're looking at wni/boo over froggingmollie, as I struggle to see she'd scum-tunnel this hard. Also, I'm still willing to follow ika's read on her. Re-reading Ika's ISO, I think there were enough hints there about the neighbourhood to make his frustration seem genuine.

[Bellaphant]

But why would you want to be shot n1? It would make more sense for you to be VT drawing a night kill to protect a vig, rather than a vig.

[Bellaphant]

Yukari, it would be good if you could answer those questions, as I feel there's a lot of mis-information going on with your slot right now.

[Bellaphant]

So, either yukari is not the vig and did not target mollie, so is probably scum, or she is the vig and someone protected mollie. What I don't understand is why yukari is convinced that whoever protected mollie got scum points - she could've been protected by someone who just town reads her, rather than being the BP? Yukari's push for this looks really suspect, and a good way to cover her lack of a kill.

[Bellaphant]

Dragons jump on this not looking good for mollie either way is kinda worrying me too - there has been more consideration in thier other posts, which generally made them a town-read for me.

Also, ika, no fruit.

[Bellaphant]

Still thinking Mollie is town after all that, but I'm going back to re-read.

Just earned yourself another scum point.

These associatives before a flip are really concerning and need to stop. Ika's said it better than me, but it clearly needs re-stating.

Just finished our iso's for the night. Our top scum reads (in alphabetical order) are:
Bookitty
Frogging Mollie
Hydrangea
ZZZX

Since mollie is the important lynch target today, to avoid unnecessary convolution, and for cpl other reasons, would prefer to wait before releasing full reads on the others until D3.

There are a couple of things in this post that ping for me: firstly, that reads-list; if you add plum to it, it's basically the bottom half of the activity list, without the two replacements. Then the mollie target, which is trying to direct town to a conclusion, and then the 'prefer to wait'...there's no town-advantage to not sharing your thoughts.

I am sorry I haven't checked in earlier; I've been pretty busy.

I'm going to go on record as saying I <3 Mollie a lot and I have respect for her scumhunting abilities. Dismissing that as "worship", especially when you've said you don't bother with meta much, looks like shallow discrediting to me, Yukari. I don't like it. I'm also not a fan of the lining up lynches thing you have going on right now.

I had really thought that MS would flip scum. The fact that Mollie hasn't weighed in yet is bothering me a lot.

VOTE: Frogging Mollie

@Ika: What do you think Mollie could say at this point? Either she's town who staked everything on a bad read on MS or she's scum. I don't know which, but I will say that this game has tied together people's alignments (MS-Mollie, Yukari-Mollie, even me and you and Mollie) more than any game I've seen lately. I don't know what Mollie could say, which is maybe why she hasn't said anything.

See, Boo appologised later (1265) for not giving Mollie the benefit of the doubt with her not posting immediately, but still the comments about 'I don't know what Mollie could say', and the vote right before she explains she doesn't know whether it's mollie-scum or mollie-town, committed to a bad read, are ringing really false for me. The unvote later is slightly better, but this push out of the gate looks scummy.

its occam razor dragon:

presuming this is true: yukari vigs mollie
this means that mollie is 1-shot BP (and thats the scum role if you read opening)
or
yukari got rb

or yukari is lying like doesn't that seem like the more plausible scenario considering he is still alive? you can't invoke occam's razor w/o actually using occam's razor hth

^ I'm actually more inclined to believe this. Maybe if Yukari can sort out her Boo read and vig her/letters as claimed, then the parameters of Occam's razor will change, but right now...

UNVOTE:

ANYWAY.

Personal feelings aside, I don't want to lynch:
ika
elusive
Frogging Mollie
Hydrangea
Plum
Yukari

Frogging Mollie should just be vigged, although I doubt that'll happen because Yukari is either lying or will just get blocked again.

ZZZX|Bellaphant r Andrius
dragonspawn
Bookitty

I forget why I had in my notes that ZZZX/Bellaphant aren't scum together. Eh.

Talk to me about your hydra/plum/zzzx reads, please?

And if the neighborhood conversation wasn't a hoax then two dead neighbors are town and flipped, what does that make the remaining neighbor? Also town? That's fucking convenient after all that BS about how there has to be scum in a neighborhood.

Convenient, easy reads.

I've never been in a neighbourhood: have people had experience of all town neighbourhoods? 'Coz Ika seems to be pretty widely town-read.

[Bellaphant]

Ugh, so we either have lurking lurkers or aTe batshit crazy? Ace.

The thing is, at some level, yukari has lied, and that makes me uncomfortable. They've basically admitted to not playing to their win-con, whatever that is - I get their frustration, I really do, and they've had some good advice here (also, try Mayfair Club, games with 9 or less players might end sooner), but town in general can't take anything they say at face value because of this.

Mod, are we allowed to know if scum have daychat?

So, Mollie is town: the last few posts seem a lot calmer and clearer, and I honestly think she's trying to make progress now. We also share some reads, which is reassuring.

Grib is town. He could do with expanding some of his thoughts, though He's got outstanding questions from me. Dragon also needs to give us some more information.

I was scum-reading Boo, but I liked her interaction with me recently.

Still concerned about plum, hydra and zzzx. Elu's slot is giving me a lot of mixed feelings, going to try and judge this on the replacement.

p-edit, frogging mollie, think the 'they' with Yukari is 'coz they are a tulpa. (It was new to me too)

[Bellaphant]

Oh right, the Bookitty wagon. It topped for a little bit, but then the MS wagon was pushed harder.

*snip*

Bookitty may have been a scum counterwagon, since I think mollie is town and MS is townfirmed. The wagon on Bookitty was all town, and then ZZZX and Yukari popped in for a bit.

Does this make you more suspicious of the last two? Also, the jump on of hydra/plum makes me concerned.

I'm here, I'm here. I feel like I don't have the tools to use what information we have effectively. I feel like someone should know what the deal is with Frogmollie, like seriously, but it's not me and no one seems to have a slam dunk there (except . . . Yukari? Do you? Do you

really

?), which is frustrating. That said, I agree 100% with Grib that it's either that Yukari got Roleblocked or that he's scum. I'm tempted to just go along with what he's doing in response to that. Which would mean lynching Frogmollie.

Is it possible Mollie was protected?

And just because a couple of people have mentioned this, Andrius mentioned to me before the game even filled, in response to me saying something about my prior hiatus, that he didn't know how long he himself would be on the site, so I wasn't surprised when he replaced out. Could it have been influenced by his alignment? Possibly, probably had more to do with stuff unrelated to that, so &c.

One thing that strikes me looking back is the Day 1 Bookitty wagon. As it forms, even at four players {Grib, elusive, Metal Sonic, White Night Imagination} I don't think the unflipped there are scum and the flipped are both Town. This was when Bookitty was away V/LA. Still. So I was looking at the Bookitty wagon. Don't really trust Bellaphant via that. Started typing out what was wrong with her trajectory re Bookitty, but now I'm not sure at all. It's weird. Whatever. Basically the whole Bookitty wagon looks like it was Town-driven and either entirely or almost entirely (?) Town. Doesn't make Bookitty scum. But in light of the MS flip and the nature of competing wagons, it means something. Although to refocus on Bellaphant, her unvote and revote on MS seems a little bit sketchy to me. We never see what she processes of the info, which is why she unvotes in the first place . . . eh.

Sorry, I'm not following this: what have I got to do with Boo? I never voted that slot...Also, I unvoted, thought about the claim, realised it didn't change much, and the stuff about being mod-confirmed seemed like a gambit. I did explain that.

Based on Grib's view of how Yukari/Frogmollie Night stuff played out, at this point I think a Frogmollie lynch would be fine pending any exciting new revelations from Yukari's slot. Bookitty also looks like a good choice just based on wagons from Day 1, but I'll reread her regardless. The other under-the-radar players in due time.

Why is a mollie lynch good? Also, why Boo?

*snip*

I think boo is a terrible lynch at the mo unless you want to argue with me about the nature of her waffling.

and I really don't understand why you do not want to sort the under the radar players right now when there are actual town willing to play the game and not go into /apathetic mode.

pressure and questions to the lurkers are a beautiful thing. it gets them back into the game which is what i want.

I keep bringing up zzthing and somehow I can't seem to get any1 who shld be looking at him to talk about him.

This post from froggingmollie was good.
My initial read on letters was scummy, and maybe the yuk/frog/ms/wni nonsense distracted me from this day 1. I'm happy to

VOTE: zzzx
p-edit, zzxxx's posting did nothing to reassure me about that slot.

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

A lot has just happened. But, Tere, I'm not 'sheeping' plum. Don't make stuff up.

[Bellaphant]

I'm town. I'm just terrible at maths.

[Bellaphant]

I just answered that: If I'd have counted properly, I would've done. With Ika in the game, I wouldn't have voted if I'd counted properly. (no offense Ika, know you love those hammers)

[Bellaphant]

Will do. Actually, will do to all of that. I'm going to read the link that zzx's gave as well.

[Bellaphant]

@plum, that's fair(ish), but I was trying to figure out whether she was scum, a preferred wagon, or what. As she wasn't really posting, I ended up having to ask more people who'd had 1 on 1 interactions with her. After having a bit of back and forth, I feel better about the slot.

[Bellaphant]

@Bella your excuse for pushing zzzx to L1 was not being good at math? Seriously? Do you still think zzzx is scum? What do you think of plum?


@everyone mentioned plus grib what do you think of boo?

Yeah: I didn't realise it was l-1. With Ika in the game, l-1 is the new hammer, and I wouldn't have done it. I have said this: whether you accept it or not is up to you.

zzzx is still scummy. Like, have you read his iso? There's an awful lot of non content there: he town-reads mollie early on, votes yukari for his metal push (with a giant quote and a tiny summary 279), town-reads metal, kinda defends metal, posts a reads-list where half the players are null 411 - notable as this was after metal's replace out nonsense, but it doesn't affect his read: his scum-reads also include WNI who was voting him -, continually hedges his read on ika, focuses on those voting him (this survivalist feel basically never goes away), doesn't think the early boo wagon is very towny, but also has boo as a hard scum-read and doesn't vote, 681 is interesting, some fluff, omgus-s plum, has some valid points about his wagon being underexplained, but ignores previous reads (like, my first reads list he was in my scum-pile...). There's just not a lot of actual scum-hunting/extended thoughts going on. I'm leaving my vote right now 'coz Tere is right about speed-wagons.


Plum: I don't agree with some of her thoughts/reads, but I like that she's expanding on them...my read on her changes quite a bit, but I'm trying to work out if she's scum who wants to look like she's thinking, or town who's working on their thought processes. I do think she's avoiding some scrutiny, but this doesn't necessarily mean she's scum OR town as of itself

: mod, she's also due a prod

Boo: initially scummy, I liked the one on one responses they gave, still got a scum-lean on them but she's not top of my list right now.

[Bellaphant]

Is there something other than him lurking that is scummy?

How is plum avoiding scrutiny in your opinion?

did you actually read my post: there's more to zzxx than just lurking - I explained my read, and you ignored it, while continuing to question me on it. Wut?

Also, it's not that plum, specifically, is doing anything to avoid scrutiny, but that other posters aren't giving her a lot of attention. It could be with all the oog stuff going on, there's a group of players who are just kinda getting null-read off the back of it. Maybe it's her slight tunnel-vision on me that's making me feel odd about it.

@ika, do you think zzzx is scummy? Can you give me your top three town and scum-reads?

[Bellaphant]

reading back now but can you mention it again? I am pretty sure I cant remeber you saying anything true/making sense about it.

Look, I assume you are taking a pot shot, 'coz you just quoted why I'm scum-reading you. I get what you are saying about 'it's not non content', but there's not a huge amount to town-read there. If you ARE town, then please stop stuff like this and try to engage with people, so we can rule you out of the scum-pool: Tere called you lynchbait. Boo wants you to be more 'helpful'. You had a wagon on you that can't really be all scum, so maybe accept, if you are town, that you need to make this clearer.

Z, if you are town what is the best way to engage you because I'd like for that to happen rather than for you to be lynchbait?

In the meantime:

VOTE: Plum

because I am still not feeling anything in her ISO is coming from a genuine town standpoint.

People who are townreading her, I'd love to know why, because I am not sharing that viewpoint at all.

I will tell you who else was starting to WTF at her yesterday though - the dead townie....

*snipped wni's quote*

Ms had a pretty consistent scum-reading of her too.

Ugh, Tere, please be town, 'coz this is a much better version of what I've been trying to say, and I'd love to know the answer to your question.

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, I think I understand what Cho is saying. I don't think lynching Cho is the answer for today.

[Bellaphant]

@zzx, where's your head at with regards to scum on your wagon, especially if I am not it? I don't know why you want a one v one with me: I've said your survivalist vibe is odd, but that's not something that needs picking apart.

@Tere, hi. You replaced elu, who, like Grib said, was obv!town, and I've really liked your play so far. Grib is also most probably town.

In terms of the game, I'm struggling a little: there was a lot of drama day 1/2, and I'm finding some of FroggingMollie's convictions, such as 'lynch either her/Cho and somehow balance will be returned to the force' as setting up some false dichotomies. Unfortunately for sorting purposes, this kind of black/white view seems to be at least Mollie's meta elsewhere, so it's not a reason to scum-read the slot.

Cho's insistence on a mafia bp makes sense, but a RB and a BP seems over strong: what are your thoughts here? However, Yukari's posting did seem to go against win-con, and they clearly wanted out of the game: anyone who uses their newb!queue desperation as a scum tell is scummy as fuck. (Also, I think you mentioned they were playing one now: oog, checking that made me really happy).

In terms of reads, I'm still not 100% convinced letters isn't scum, but some of this may be based off of frustration with his posting style, but his posting was similar in a just completed game of ours and he was town. So he's not a town-read, maybe null.

Boo and dragon aren't really making me town-read them, there doesn't seem to be a huge connection to the game. Boo's been pretty flexible with her thoughts, which is a plus, but I'd also like something concrete from them. @boo, readslist?

Plum is a scum-read. It's mostly gut, sure, but she's kind of got the boo problem of being really flexible/not committing to a hard read (see the pot shots on me that weren't really backed up by anything) without the occasional flashes of towniness I'm getting from boo.

Hydra is a blank for me, right now. I'd like to see more content.

That leaves ika: can you talk to me about your read on him, tere?

Hope that helps, please follow anything up with me!

p-edit, lots happened while typing, will follow up in a bit.

[Bellaphant]

Right, that makes sense. And thanks for clarifying about the strongarm (do I bleed thick, or just new? )

What I'm missing is what happened if FroggieMol is town, and Yuk/Cho is the vig, and they shot her, what went wrong. But I'm terrible at set-ups.

I'm gonna iso DS and Boo again, but I struggled for content with Hydra. I'll have another look, though.

@Zzthing and ika: who are your strongest reads? Who are you having trouble sorting? Also, I'd love it if you two and maybe mollie chucked some questions my way. Tere says you are engagement players, and that makes sense with ika's frustration earlier.

@ika, what am I missing about the set-up/is set-up spec really unhelpful? Why were you asking about fruit? What's your read on me? I kinda have a terrible scum-read on you: why am I wrong?

@tere, gun to head what's your read on me?
Not sure who the starter for ten is for, but those are mine!

[Bellaphant]

@ boo, the post to you kinda was my reads list, but I'll structure it better!

Town:

Tere: her investment in this is crazy for scum. She's asking the right questions to the right people and giving helpful information, such as the set up stuff.
FroggieMollie: some posting (like today's) is a really strong town read. The 1v1 is putting me off. Still town
Grib: Town. I'd like more contact, but town.
Chokari: Yukari was newbtown. Cho is kinda null, but working off that, town

null (town to scum)
Boo: flashes of towniness, but doesn't seem to be 100% scum hunting. Responds well to questions
zzzx: this slot confuses me, there's a lot I don't like, but nothing that on it's own is overtly scummy.

Could lynch:
Hydra/Dragon: I need to re-read these slots. But dragon's insistence that Yuk was scummy, not newbie, is moving him way down this list.

Scummy:
ika: I need to interact with this slot more
Plum, for reasons already stated.

p-edit: FroggingMollie, if chokari flips town I'm scum? Why?
pp-edit: maybe I'm giving Yukari too much credit, but tere's read here connected with me. Maybe I'm using too much emotion rather than logic.

[Bellaphant]

hi bella hi tere hi mollie

you guys need me

Yup, I have questions for you:

@ika: who are your strongest reads? Who are you having trouble sorting?
What am I missing about the set-up/is set-up spec really unhelpful?
Why were you asking about fruit?
What's your read on me? Any questions for me?
I kinda have a terrible scum-read on you: why am I wrong?

p-edit: FroggingMollie, if chokari flips town I'm scum? Why?

I did a reread of your ISO yesterday as I was just wrapping up stuff at work, and then leaving work. Going through your ISO again, I honestly can't find it. I should have made a note of it. I believe it was somewhere in the vig/setup talk with MS/Yukari and then early D2 talk with Yukari about why my slot was still alive, but can't find it now. I'll scratch it from the record in my brain that if Cho flips town, that gives me a more scum lean on you because it doesn't even make sense to me now.

TBH, I reread again, and I felt much more comfortable with your posts today. But there was one that really pinged me both days.. Post 844 commenting on the current wagons.

*snip wagons*

I wasn't sure of your motivation behind it, and still am not. From my perspective, we are town, ika is town, Plum at the time was town. You and Hydrangea were nullish. So to us it was you trying to put yourself in the town wagon and push a lynch of sonic and defend boo. Not sure.

Frogger, thanks for the honesty/flexibility in your reads, it's a good sign. About 844, valid, but you are over thinking it: there was a lot of noise coming from your slot and I just wanted to clarify your reads on plum, hydra, elu and wni mainly (I think these were the players I was interested in, that was a week ago, but I know that's why I was asking.) 'putting myself in a town wagon' is a good strategy, but it's one that wouldn't have occurred to me until you just pointed it out, even if I was scum. Also, I'm not particularly invested in defending boo, and a lynch there might be helpful for sorting others. Hope that helps.

[Bellaphant]

@ika:
1)who are your strongest reads?
2) Who are you having trouble sorting?
3)What am I missing about the set-up/is set-up spec really unhelpful?
4)Why were you asking about fruit?
5)What's your read on me?
6)Any questions for me?
7)I kinda have a terrible scum-read on you: why am I wrong?

1) grib/tere are my tops, boo is potential but its ~reason~
2) boo, plume cus of tere, everyone else that i porb havent mentioned nor cared for
3) depends on setup itself. the answer for this i more theory talk. I can elaborate on it but i can also just OGC you about those things later cus it is more theory.
4) setup spec
5) honestly i could rationalize both scum and town. gun to head i would say town but i need more out of you
6) yes, whats your town/scum reads? do you think there is a rb? what you think of cho being vig and fialing on frogger?
7) cus your a woman and ~stuff~ and im a man and ~stuff~ (yes even in game i will make that horribale refrence)

1) talk to me about boo, please?
2) who would you lynch today?
3) This kind of links to the RB/BP thing: a strong scum team like that, I'd expect a bunch of PRs. Some peeps were soft-claiming everywhere day1, iirc, but I'm not sure.
4) k, why? Share your thoughts on this?
5) Cool, I'm town, and I'm happy with my play this day phase.
6) I literally just made a reads list. Feel free to comment on it. Frogger is town, and I'm happy town-read chokari, based on yukari's newb-flailing
7) I'm serious. tere says you are engaged as town + im not feelin it

[Bellaphant]

1) ehh nvm, her last post makes me disregard my town read
2) cho/plume/dragon
3) thats what setup sepc is about, but on the otherside it can lead to inadver softclaims
4) sharing potential people and what their claims are, are not advised... I havent been following that hard to see peoples claims but with the current pool of claims and what i have gathered i rather not give ideas to scum on who to nk.
5) k
6) i neeed to iso then.
7) ya cus im disengaged atm and have a lot of shit. espcialy after how day 1 went i really lack a motivation that normally shows. im kinda in that state of not caring about showing my town play and just bleh

1) you'd be happy to lynch her? Why?
2) why dragon?
3) inadvertent as in mistaken (untrue and badly phrased) or accidental (true but not meant to be revealed ?)
4)hmmm
6) Please do, and come back to me
7) Have you felt that way as town before? I've seen you rage-posting, but this feels different.

[Bellaphant]

@ika, is that hydra or boo? I'm missing something.

[Bellaphant]

6)) I meant can you come and talk to me. Why would you rather not?
7) don't suppose you know what games, so I can go meta-dive?

Also, who were you talking about in 1778?

[Bellaphant]

6) my reads-list, if you want.
7) kk, tia

[Bellaphant]

@ika, you asked for my reads, I'm just stating I've provided them. My read of boo is dropping, though.

[Bellaphant]

Interested to hear from Cho before voting.

[Bellaphant]

You voting Hydra then?

did you crumb at all? I'm worried about the PR ratio in this game.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: Hydra

If Frog and Grib thought this up overnight as scum, I'd be impressed.

@Grib, you claimed: are you thinking others should?

[Bellaphant]

New plan: don't vig me. If Z is scum, we need to look at the speed wagon of him earlier. It might be worth doing him before dragon, really.

P-edit, hmm.

[Bellaphant]

I mainly agree with frogging

[Bellaphant]

Then either I'm stupid scum for bringing it up totally unprompted, or I'm town.

[Bellaphant]

Tere and Ika aren't confirmed anything, though, are they?

[Bellaphant]

I mentioned it to Grib, but he didn't seem to be a fan?

[Bellaphant]

then we probably should? Popcorn?

[Bellaphant]

Like, a couple of pages ago? It was RL today or yesterday

[Bellaphant]

Yeah, that ^

[Bellaphant]

^ is what's worrying me, 'cos I think at least one person has to be lying.

[Bellaphant]

@Frog, if I knew that, I'd be happier. It just seems like a lot, esp. with maybe two more out there.

[Bellaphant]

Cho, re-read my posts today and see if you wanna vig me still, pls.

[Bellaphant]

Happy Birthday to Ank, happy birthday to ank, happy birthday lovely mooooooo-od, happy birthday to you

[Bellaphant]

Hey, Gg all. Frog, it was fun to play with you. Thanks really to tere, who managed to get me doing my best in the game