Mini 1677 - Ori and the Blind Forest Mafia - Forest Revived

[Bookitty]

/confirm

[Bookitty]

Sorry for not posting before; I'm very busy at work (and on a really short break) but I'll be about this evening.

Quick initial reads say that Pirate Mollie and her companion are town, Plum seems pretty town ... and now I'm drawing a blank on what I just read.

I will do better this evening. Sorry for the short check-in but I know I'm in this game and I will attend to it tonight.

[Bookitty]

walk me through why Plum is town?

I liked her approach. I especially liked her jump on Metal Sonic for what was pretty much a weird push on Mollie. Her thought process makes a lot of sense to me.

I don't much care about the RQS stuff one way or the other. I'm not doing it now because today was hellish at work and I am exhausted, but I probably will later just because I kinda like Elusive (not alignment-indicative). I don't like Elusive's slam at Molly, but I'm filing that into things that will resolve naturally or blow up later.

I wasn't enthused about the SingerSigner thing (I think a lot of people jumped the gun and started posting before the thread was even officially opened). This means I didn't RVS vote.

Mollie-Froggie is town because this is town-Mollie. Ika is probably town because he's really proactive and that's the opposite of what I've seen from him as scum.

I'm twitchy about ZZZX but if he starts lurking that's time enough for me to jump on him. I'm not interested in policy lynching for something that might not even happen.

Sorry for not a lot of insight but I'm shaky tired and I'm doing this because I promised I would do it tonight.

[Bookitty]

Bookitty! Glork says hi! Can you walk me through Plum's thought process that makes a lot of sense to you? How do you feel about Metal based on his "weird jump" that made you like Plum?

*HUGS* to both of you!

I agreed with Plum about you. I agreed about the Metal Sonic jump on Mollie, which looked like it was calculated to push buttons I prefer left unpushed.

I also think there's an interesting link between elusive and Metal Sonic; MS pushes against Mollie and elusive makes what amounts to a personal playstyle attack on her. Elusive seems to forget that I was actually IN DOA and that I was witness to ALL that went on there; she can't have done, though, because she for sure knows that I back up Mollie and that's the game she would have had to have learned that from. Then Elusive decides I'm pinging her scumdar and MS is right there to back her up. It looks to me like hard pushes against Mollie and any allies she might have in this game, of which I would be one.

So, I wouldn't be surprised if MS and elusive were buddies backing each other up here.

[Bookitty]

Hi boo! if you vote yukari i will give you a temporary free pass! dont bullshit about elusive cause i dont know her at all.

I was thinking you were scumbuddies here, not buddies in real life.

I'll do you a deal, though. I'll read over Yukari REALLY CLOSELY today (I met my deadline, yay!) and if I think you're right I'll vote there.

While I'm at it, anyone else that people want looked at with a fine-toothed comb?

[Bookitty]

look at me too since im super popular

Will do. I'm rereading the whole game, so it's an open offer to anyone (I don't want to do a plain reads list because that's SO boring, but I'll do a targeted one later on this afternoon. So far targets are: Yukari, Metal Sonic, Grib and Elusive -- the last two just for my own curiosity).

[Bookitty]

boo

where are you

At work! Have some patience, lady

I need to check four people and that's going to take me some time.

[Bookitty]

Okay, I have finally divested myself of my irksome companions. (Work crap, too boring to even contemplate explaining.)

I haven't gotten to that read BUT I'm fixing to commute home and then I can read to my heart's content for a little while

I do think Ika and Pirate Mollie are town. I don't care if Plum has her eye on me except to be happy I'm noticed. I will say that I think people get nervous of Mollie as scum and that the behaviours I was pointing out are not unique to this game. I imagine she'll back me up on the fact that she often gets chainsawed as town.

I will read and have commentary this evening. I apologise for the stupid delay.

[Bookitty]

I can talk now if we're quick, I just can't read over it again.

Yeah, I'm good with the Metal Sonic thing. Not sold on WNI and I just don't get Yukari, which is why I need to read. People with complex personal stories that need to be considered before understanding their posts just... I'm not good with that. I think it's probably a failing on my part.

[Bookitty]

Not sold on WNI as scum.

Sorry, that was not clear and upon refreshing the page I realised it.

[Bookitty]

Okay. I'll be back around in like an hour and a half; I'm going to buckle down and read. I can answer anything then and I'll probably be slamming down a vote on someone at that point. Will it be YOU? Stay tuned for the next exciting installment!

EBWOP: I'll do them too. I'm going to tell you right now that I don't have a handle on Andrius's playstyle yet, but I'll give it my best shot. Plum I think I can read because she is logical and right now she's in my town pile. I'm SURE that Mollie is town here. Most sure of anyone.

[Bookitty]

I'm back, I'm reading, I'm putting together things to post.

All this to say I'll check this and answer while I work on that.

[Bookitty]

I apologise for abandoning this on Friday night and not returning, but I have unexpected house guests because I stupidly mentioned to my mother on the phone that I didn't have plans for Memorial Day weekend. This is on me, but I'm going to be pretty busy this weekend now.

[Bookitty]

Okay. My mother has departed and I'm in catch-up mode everywhere. I wasn't avoiding this game, for the record. I wasn't around this site at all.

The Metal Sonic replace-out thing is frankly weird. I come from a time in the distant past (long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away) when the Lynch All Liars thing was still valid as site meta. I think it's pretty evident that Metal Sonic lied; why, however, is a question. He was under some pretty harsh pressure, yes. What does he get from lying about replacing out?

Well, I can see a few things. Feigning a replace-out can be a powerful tool to gain sympathy/credibility. It can be a way to demonstrate frustration, something that practically everyone reads as townie. As I understand it (and please, please correct me if I'm wrong) it's frowned upon to replace out as scum under pressure. (I'm not sure why that is, so if you know tell me.) Fake-replacing out, though, gets most of the benefits with minimal risk.

The problem I'm having with MS scum is that 1. He claimed Ori. I don't want to lynch Ori. 2. His AtE actually seems genuine to me, and 3. His interactions are NOT what I would expect from scum. I don't have great meta on MS, but one of the main reasons I was suspicious has sort of evaporated as the game has progressed.

My belief that Elusive and Metal Sonic were linked was pretty tenuous when I posted it. The amount of blowback I got, though, was way out of proportion to the statement, which is odd. I will retract a bit, though, because Elusive clearly came into this game with a chip on her shoulder and a hate on for Mollie. I thought it was a scum tactic to support Metal Sonic, but apparently Elusive really does hate Mollie on some out-of-game level. Which is not cool, by the way. But it explains the out-of-the-gate hate that didn't make sense when I read it and seemed really out of place (and chainsawy).

I'm vaguely terrified that I'm reading ZZZX and I think he's town AND useful. This has NEVER happened before and I'm not quite sure what to make of it.

Mollie and Ika are town regardless of what they think of me.

I said why I wasn't here, and I really don't like Yukari selectively ignoring that and other V/LAs. It was Memorial Day weekend. I don't like Yukari's postings all the way through. I'm aware that this isn't a major wagon, but I want my vote registered here so that if I'm lynched people will go back and look at her again. I'm not sure that Metal Sonic wasn't right here.

VOTE: Yukari

I keep going back and forth on White Night Imagination. I don't have great meta on either head (and apparently only one is posting) but if I had to go with gutread, that would make them town.

Again, sorry for the absence. I didn't plan it nor expect it. I'm back now.

[Bookitty]

@Plum: Isn't it possible he's trying to preserve a power role?

I mean, maybe not, since he already claimed Ori, but if MS is town (that's how I'm leaning, if it's not evident) then he might 1. be trying to avoid claiming to either draw the nightkill or to save a power role he wants to use.

If he claims a power role, he gets me lynched, so what's his hesitancy if he's actually scum?

[Bookitty]

@Metal Sonic: Um, do not like? But I can't say it's opportunistic because it's been there a while. I think I'm more expendable than you, so I don't actually have an issue with it, especially at this point.

@Plum: It doesn't feel like that to me. I think it would be easy-peasy to make a fakeclaim as scum (it's not like he hasn't had time to do it) and I rarely if ever see anyone lynched after making a power role claim at L-1.

[Bookitty]

@Metal Sonic:

You should probably ask why he's not complying with Singer's request to more fully discuss what the replace out shenanigans were about and also not trying to explain why hypothetically he couldn't do so.

Can you explain that, please?

Also, can you firm up your read on Yukari? One issue I have with you is that you apparently thought I was scum but you asked me to vote with you on Yukari before the weekend. Now you're asking her to vote with you on me. So what is your read on her?

Meh. I am sure Plum and Mollie are town, and I KNOW Mollie has better meta on MS than I do. Plus if MS is scum and I save him at my own expense I'm going to feel very dumb.

Thinking about it.

[Bookitty]

ZZZX was directly addressed by Ika to vote MS or else. He didn't do that; he voted me instead. Unless MS is scum WITH ZZZX (something I don't see other evidence for) then I don't think scum-ZZZX bucks both Mollie and Ika on this. He strikes me as more of a go-with-the-flow type of player.

[Bookitty]

Here's my issue, which you sort of dodged, MS:

Early in the game, you thought Yukari was scum. You claim you also thought I was scum. That sort of indicates you thought we were scum together. But you asked me to vote her. Why would you do that if you thought I was scum with her? I'm trying to understand your thought process.

Mollie is making good points and you really ought to address them. What trust tell were you trying to establish and why?

[Bookitty]

I apologise for abandoning this on Friday night and not returning, but I have unexpected house guests because I stupidly mentioned to my mother on the phone that I didn't have plans for Memorial Day weekend. This is on me, but I'm going to be pretty busy this weekend now.

Also, I did say this. I didn't expect not to have time to post in any games AT ALL, but that's how it shook out, unfortunately.

[Bookitty]

Not what I asked you, again.

[Bookitty]

Meh, okay. It's still weird to me, but I think our playstyles diverge pretty strongly.

If you're town, then please answer the questions about trust tells without quoting it. I'm interested in your motivations there, which might actually clear you if you can be clear about them. What were you trying to achieve, and what was the trust tell in question, please?

[Bookitty]

I don't care what they said back to you. I'm asking what you were going to try to do and why, which is not something you got from the listmods and which can't reveal information they gave YOU because it's information YOU had before you tried to do it.

[Bookitty]

In short:

What they said to you doesn't have a thing to do with your alignment.
What YOU wanted to do might.

You can leave out anything about their answer, but what YOU were going to do is your own information not derived from listmods at all, and that's what I'm asking you about.

[Bookitty]

With MS off the table, would really like to see ppl focus elsewhere for now, anyone else you find scummy. Would like to see some zzzx or mollie votes, or at least a decent reason for not voting one of them. Atm we prefer an zzzx lynch over a mollie lynch.

This bothers me quite a bit because why is MS off the table now? He didn't claim. Why is Yukari trying to dismiss a wagon that is still quite significant (I haven't been tracking the wagon, to be fair, but I don't think there's been a lot of movement off it) and that hasn't been disproven by a long shot?

Also, I'm not voting Mollie. Why? Because this is her town meta. I don't like this constant push on her -- even if she's wrong about MS, which she may be, that doesn't make her scum. Nothing about how she's pushed this has been scummy AT ALL. So stop trying to push her as scum for ~reasons~ that never materialise.

[Bookitty]

you're aware that I literally just gave 2 reasons on this same page for way she's pushed this is, indeed, scummy, correct? (and that this is not the only reason I've laid out for them being scum - my reasons have "materialized" pretty steadily over the course of the game)

like, holy shit.

p-edit: @Boo

And I don't agree with you AT ALL. I think this is how Mollie plays pretty usually, I think you know it, and I think you're deliberately ignoring things MS has been doing because you have this narrative in your head of Molliescum that you can't drown out even when you should know better. I think you're confbiased from the start.

You tell me one way this differs from Mollie-town apart from the friendly Froggie. Just one. Because this is the her I've seen as town OVER and OVER, including when she fought with me for about five-six pages on first meeting.

INB4 you start talking about manipulating meta -- if you do, you can't use it to read her as scum, either.

[Bookitty]

Reading that.

[Bookitty]

I'm just hoping I come back and show some activity. :p

[Bookitty]

Yukari, I've been back for a while.

Please read the game.

[Bookitty]

Please don't replace out, Mollie. I joined this game to play with you and with my unplanned absence this weekend I feel like I haven't gotten to at all.

I don't blame you if you do, but I wish you wouldn't.

[Bookitty]

One thing I'm really not liking is the "If so-and-so flips town I'm coming after _____." It's like a threat without a purpose, because OBVIOUSLY when someone flips town we always look at the wagon on that person. I think you're town, for instance, Mollie, and if they manage to lynch you and you flip that way, I could make similar threats. Same with me: if I'm lynched, then the people pushing that are going to look worse too.

But the fact is that scum usually AREN'T the ones initiating wagons on town. They'll push it, sure, but they don't start it in my experience (rarely, I wouldn't say never). So acting like that's alignment indicative is somewhat suspicious to me all on its own.

(And yeah, I read that game, WNI, but it's pretty different imo than what's gone on here. MS has legitimately done things that people (not just Mollie) have found suspicious and that's a major difference right there.)

WNI has made me think they are town, though, by actually addressing some issues instead of just bandwagoning and yelling. I'm still really happy with my Yukari vote, even though no one else seems to agree with me.

I would like to hear from Ika about his views on neighborhood interactions with MS, please.

[Bookitty]

Hopefully you can enjoy playing this silly game with me as you do with Mollie!

-hugs- You're both awesome.

[Bookitty]

-BIG HUGS- to Ika

Course you can

[Bookitty]

Okay. I was pretty willing to take the hit when it was between me and MS. So he probably should have stuck to pushing me rather than Mollie, because I wouldn't have done this:

VOTE: Metal Sonic

We are NOT LYNCHING Mollie today if I can stop it. No.

[Bookitty]

i need people who i can legit work with and keep me in check now that mollies gone

She's not gone yet. If she's scum, I'll take the whole blame for defending her, even. But she hasn't said she would replace out yet. I think she'll come back.

[Bookitty]

**Dragonspawn replaces singersigner effective immediately.**

Hi, Dragonspawn! <3 for replacing in!

[Bookitty]

I love you. and I am truly sorry. if you are town I am truly sorry.

<3 I don't think this is your fault.

[Bookitty]

I am sorry I haven't checked in earlier; I've been pretty busy.

I'm going to go on record as saying I <3 Mollie a lot and I have respect for her scumhunting abilities. Dismissing that as "worship", especially when you've said you don't bother with meta much, looks like shallow discrediting to me, Yukari. I don't like it. I'm also not a fan of the lining up lynches thing you have going on right now.

I had really thought that MS would flip scum. The fact that Mollie hasn't weighed in yet is bothering me a lot.

VOTE: Frogging Mollie

@Ika: What do you think Mollie could say at this point? Either she's town who staked everything on a bad read on MS or she's scum. I don't know which, but I will say that this game has tied together people's alignments (MS-Mollie, Yukari-Mollie, even me and you and Mollie) more than any game I've seen lately. I don't know what Mollie could say, which is maybe why she hasn't said anything.

[Bookitty]

@Yukari: I believe you're exaggerating the degree to which people like and respect Mollie in the context of the game. I don't buy that you're using charged words accidentally; I think you're trying to discredit by overstating the case.

[Bookitty]

I'm going to separate this to make it clearer.

I REALLY like Mollie in general. She's funny, she's caring and she goes out of her way to make games fun for people. This makes me want to make the game fun for her. This hasn't got a thing to do with her alignment. Town or scum, this is going to be true.

In this game, she hit a lot of notes that I associate with Mollie-town. I believed she was town. I'm STILL not sure I'm not right, but I don't think the game can proceed without finding out.

You're conflating these two things as if they are the same thing. At least for me, they are not.

[Bookitty]

cos if he is "discrediting by overstating the case" then this sort of implies you know we will flip town yeah? when you are voting us?

I meant that she was discrediting those who were "worshipping", not you.

I was gone for more than 24 hours so I didn't know the game had only been on a short time (especially given the number of posts). I readily admit that I was assuming it had been going on longer, and that I should have given you the benefit of the doubt.

UNVOTE:

[Bookitty]

@Bella: I'm kind of demoralised because I was really pretty sure MS was going to flip scum.

It's a fact that I'm not certain of my reads. I still feel like Yukari is scummy but I don't know if she was blocked, Mollie was protected or if she's just scum lying. Occam's Razor doesn't really help me, because of this:

If Yukari is scum lying, she might well think it was worthwhile to get rid of both MS and Mollie through a single claim. But she's still giving up her scum-life for two town-lives, and I don't think as scum I'd make that trade so readily.

If Yukari is truth-telling town, then she could have been blocked by scum to protect Mollie. But this doesn't make sense to me either because why would scum try to keep a townie alive? I guess they could try to leave WIFOM to get me and Ika lynched for defending her, but it's still kind of a long shot.

If truthful, Yukari could have been blocked by town protecting Mollie. This one seems most unlikely to me, because as town who mostly believes in Mollie-town I STILL would not have protected her because it just creates WIFOM for today. (If this is what happened, PLEASE do not claim, protective role. Don't do it. Not at all.)

There's no way Yukari and Mollie are scum together in my opinion. Not after yesterday and the first part of today.

So I just don't know. I don't know how we proceed here. I mean, I could pursue some lesser scumreads but it still leaves the elephant in the room. (Not the Bellaphant.)

So I don't know just what to do at this point at all. Which makes me pretty damn useless, sorry about that.

[Bookitty]

Oh, and I left out one of the things I'm thinking about, sorry.

If Mollie IS scum (something I don't really want to believe and something that I feel isn't true) then it makes sense that scum would roleblock Yukari. But they'd have to know that this was only a stopgap measure because it would make Mollie look just that much more guilty. But if she's town, maybe scum would roleblock Yukari (or Yukari-scum would claim vig) just to try to get that one more lynch out of this whole mess?

It's all WIFOM if someone else sees it more clearly please point it out to me, because once you get to second-level second-guessing I start to get truly lost.

[Bookitty]

sit on Boo poke her with sticks and get her to talk

Don't MAKE me threaten to replace out. I'll do it! -holds water pistol to head in a threatening manner-

[Bookitty]

Try and synch with people if you are town plz <3

I will do my best. To be honest, I was fairly uncomfortable with one player here but I think that problem has resolved now, so I should be a lot better from now on.

[Bookitty]

@Mollie: Tere was using the word gen as short for generate, as in, generate an alt. It's not a person.

@Yukari: Have you looked at the games in Central Park? They are Open, meaning that the setups are known before you sign up. I'm relatively sure you'll find a game you like there, which would be better than playing a game to lose here. Open games are about as close as you'll come to newbies imo.

[Bookitty]

hydraflower - I am struggling with this read too, but she sort of reminds me of honeybee in drawn on arrival?

boo what do you think?

I don't understand the honeybee thing?

In Drawn on Arrival, Honey bee was sort of hanging back, popping in to

collect pollen from flowers

post a bit but without making a big noisy impact on the gamestate. If I remember correctly, she was a power role and I'm sure she was pro-town.

And maybe, Mollie. I don't have bad feels toward Hydrangea anyway.

[Bookitty]

I don't know what was so fluffy about my last two posts. I was answering a question in one of them. I mean, I was in a good mood so I might have had silly extraneous stuff in it, but I don't think it was fluffy.

This game is sort of oppressive. I hate it when things get bogged down into the personal and it's hard for me to motivate myself to reread when so much of it is so harsh. That said, I am STILL almost certain that Mollie is town. This feels like Mollie town, frustrated, honest and putting herself out there. I can't pretend to read Froggie but I don't need to, because I think I can read Mollie.

I don't trust Yukari and I haven't from the start. Cho seems abrasive too, and that's pretty out of character for the Marquis I know and love, so I'm looking for more interaction from Cho to try and figure out if it was just clashing between Yukari and me or if it was a genuine scumread, not a playstyle problem.

I don't want to lynch Ika today. I'd prefer to lynch ZZZX because I've been badly burned by his laissez-faire playstyle before and I don't want to let it get to LYLO again.

[Bookitty]

@bookitty what do you think of the zzzx wagon and the above people.

Okay. I missed this before.

I think the ZZZX wagon is completely understandable. I played with him in a game where he was town but he was so useless that we ended up voting him out in LYLO. He never did help us at all. Apparently this isn't a one-off situation either.

I feel like he was useful early on, but then just faded away and isn't much use at all anymore.

Plum is pretty obviously town imo. I understand her posts, they're clear and relevant and she's seriously awesome. I don't really agree with some of her reads (and no, I can't remember right now and I'm at work, but if you want to know I'll look and tell you later which ones) but I do think she's town.

Meh on Bellaphant. I feel like she's kind of going with the flow, but I don't know that I think that's a scummy thing in this game. It's far worse imo to keep spinning the wheel of whatever to ensure that people keep fighting with each other.

If by hydra you mean Hydrangea, I answered this to Mollie: Yes, she's something like Honey bee in DoA but I don't want to read more into it than that right now.

[Bookitty]

So if someone disappeared for 5 irl days he literally is of "no use at all"

Yes, I'll stand by that. What good were you to us during that time? What have you done that is helpful since?

I'm not voting you. But I want you to DO SOMETHING.

[Bookitty]

okay so lets try some set up spec here cos I want to leave a decent trail.

This game has a semi-open element to it. It works as follows:

a) One role from each pool will be randomly chosen. If there are multiples of a role, each pool will be rerolled.
b) Exactly three pools will roll a town role and exactly one will roll a mafia role.
c)

This is not the extent of the set-up. There will be roles that are not explicitly stated here.

[N] -> Usable at Night.
[D] -> Usable at Day.
[A] -> Usable Action.
[P] -> Passive Action.

---

Pool 1:

1) 2-shot Tracker
2) 2-shot Voyeur
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

Pool 2:

1) 2-shot Doctor
2) Miller
3) 2-shot Voyeur
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 3:

1) 2-shot Fruit Vendor
2) 2-shot Doctor
3) Vanilla Townie
4) Mafia Bulletproof

Pool 4:

1) 2-shot Tracker
2) Miller
3) 2-shot Fruit Vendor
4) Mafia 2-shot Rolecop

Spoiler: Ability PMs

Town:

[N][P]

*Character Specific*

- You have no special characteristics.

[N][A]

*Character Specific*

- Each night, you may visit a player. They will be protected against a single kill. You may only use this ability twice throughout the game.

[N][A]

*Character Specific*

- Each night, you may visit a player. At the end of the night, you will learn who that player visited, if anyone. You may only use this ability twice throughout the game.

[N][A]

*Character Specific*

- Each night, you may visit a player. At the end of the night, you will learn what type of actions targeted that player, if any. You may only use this ability twice throughout the game.

[N][A]

*Character Specific*

- Each night, you may visit a player. At the end of the night, they will be informed that they were given fruit. You may only use this ability twice throughout the game.

[N][P]

*Character Specific*

- If an investigative role that returns a form of "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" targets you, you will return the guilty result. You will not be informed if this occurs.

Mafia:

[N][A]

*Character Specific*

- Each night, you may visit a player. At the end of the night, you will learn the role of that player. You may only use this ability twice throughout the game. You will not be informed if this occurs.

[N][P]

*Character Specific*

- Every attempt to target you with a kill action will fail. You will not be informed if this occurs.

what are pple's thoughts on that the 3 town and 1 scum will be from each of the 4 pools? cos that is how I interpret it to mean, does anybody else?

claimed, flipped roles:

flipped 2 neighbours, metal and wni

confirmed: 3rd neighbour, ika
claimed: vt, us

ika are you soft-claiming a neighbour/fruit vendor? cos that is what it looks like you are soft-claiming. which does not make sense to me but you are better at set-up spec than I, cld you help me out here? tere?

anybody else?

I am going to keep reposting this until some1 notices and decides to i dunno, do set up spec with 2 flipped roles and 2 claims I mean colour me silly but this might actually prove to be beneficial.

tere how exactly is your lynch pool wide? I mean the only scumread you have is plum. every1 else you have given some indication is town at some point except your recent change on hydraflower.

I am so done with this game.

cho and I need to be sorted TODAY. not tomorrow, not the next day, TODAY, period end of story.

also ika don't ignore me I asked you if you are a fruit vendor yes or no. if no then why were you asking if any1 got fruit.

VOTE: cho

Responding to this: Is it worth having people claim if they are a fruit vendor or a miller?

Miller should have claimed before imo, anyway, so that's not a big deal. Fruit vendor would also narrow down choices.

I'm thinking about this; I don't think anyone ought to claim, though. It's worth noting there's no Vig in any of those setups (doesn't mean there isn't one, just saying it's not an enumerated role).

Still thinking on it, though.

[Bookitty]

I'm thinking about this; I don't think anyone ought to claim, though.

This should be I don't think anyone ELSE ought to claim. My brain is not worth having at the moment.

[Bookitty]

Plum is clearly very likeable and it kinda bugs me that peeps seem to be townreading her from that.

This really bothered me because it might be true of me

@Plum: Do you feel very engaged in this game? Do you think you're getting a good idea of the ebb and flow and general gamestate now that some of the shrieking hostility has died down?

What's your read on ZZZX, please?

[Bookitty]

My Fun and Fabulous Reads List, or What I Did This Summer:

Town:

Frogging Mollie. I have had moments of doubt, but in the end I still feel really certain that Mollie is town. Froggie is too.

Ika. Going to buck the trend here; I know he was pushing suspicion of me earlier but I truly believe he's town. I don't care if that makes everyone in that neighbourhood town.

Grib. My townread isn't so strong as everyone else's apparently, but I am still confident in Grib town.

Dragonspawn. I had a townread on Singer and nothing Dragon has done has reduced that for me.

Tere. This one is weak, but I just feel like she wouldn't be this proactive as scum. I've been burned on that before, but I townlean on Tere just the same and I am beginning to trust her.

Kinda Meh:

Plum. She started strong and I could follow her logic. Now I feel like she's completely disconnected. I don't know that this makes her scum, because I feel much the same way; however, this makes me think I might be projecting on her and making excuses for it. So I don't know.

ZZZX. I would love to just chalk him up to a policy lynch because I've been burned badly by his inattentiveness. I don't want to let him get to LYLO unless he steps up his game a LOT. A LOT.

Bellaphant. I'm not seeing a lot of firm reads from her, which is odd because she's asking me for something concrete while providing a lot of amorphous reads. I'm not really town-reading this slot either.

Scum to me:

Hydrangea is a problem for me because I feel like she's skating under the radar and not tracking with the game very well. I see this more from scum than town but I don't have meta for Hydrangea so this is a scumread that might change with more relevant content.

Cho is reading weird to me if they are who they are being claimed to be. There's no reach out, there's no humour, it's just flat and feels almost angry. I didn't like Yukari so it makes me nervous that Cho replaced into a scum slot and isn't happy about it.

Stupid question: Who is the hydra that can't be read? I don't know who you mean about that.

[Bookitty]

Can you talk to me more about your Cho read?

I <3 Marquis a lot. If this is actually Marquis I would think that I would get at least acknowledgement that I was in the game. That hasn't happened; the tone has been off from what I expect and the degree of irritation (especially given Yukari's play) seems overblown.

I haven't ever played with Plum before, so I can't be more help there.

[Bookitty]

Hey, I'm totally old school! I believe in LAL and everything!

I just never played with Miss Plum before.

<3

[Bookitty]

Plum is clearly very likeable and it kinda bugs me that peeps seem to be townreading her from that.

This really bothered me because it might be true of me

@Plum: Do you feel very engaged in this game? Do you think you're getting a good idea of the ebb and flow and general gamestate now that some of the shrieking hostility has died down?

What's your read on ZZZX, please?

Yeah, I thought about that here. I want to see what she says before I set anything in stone, though.

[Bookitty]

I have no idea what you're on about with this snipy "unprompted readslist" thing. I thought you would explain, but apparently not. Anyway, check THIS out. It will blow your mind.

Boo and dragon aren't really making me town-read them, there doesn't seem to be a huge connection to the game. Boo's been pretty flexible with her thoughts, which is a plus, but I'd also like something concrete from them.

@boo, readslist?

[Bookitty]

I would like Plum to line out her case on me. So far I have that my wagon was almost entirely town (which seems true) and that I conveniently gave a reads list unprompted (which isn't true). Could you explain more about your read on me, please, Plum?

[Bookitty]

I'm okay with it. Like I said, it's been difficult for me to get into the right headspace for this game since the violent arguments of Day One and I primarily joined this game to play with Miss Mollie, who is gone, so it's no big

I will go on record as saying that I have never been involved in a three-way with Plum and ZZZX and I repudiate these suggestions. Also, I never heard such filth back on the farm.

[Bookitty]

I am cool with this, as I said. I would ask that you look hard at Plum tomorrow, though, and that you stick to your word that if Cho doesn't vig tonight, she's actually going to get some REAL scrutiny.

Thanks in advance! <3

[Bookitty]

Ika: You realise that the argument about "scumclaim" had to do with Hydrangea, not me, right? I too am waiting to see what she thinks about me, and would like to see that before any hammer.

It feels like you are not even reading the game really, since you're responding to things not even said and misattributing the subjects of various posts to continue tunneling on me. I would care more if I hadn't already lost most of my motivation for this game, but I do think it is something that needs to be looked at after I flip town.