STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Sonic X

Steal the first post from me, will you?!

[Ricastle]

Varsoon is literally the worst.

He's lucky it's ME who got this role (because I'm too stubborn to replace out), because the VAST majority of Scummers, if they had the role I do, would quickly lose interest in the game and replace out/flake.

...Basically, I'm a tree stump with all the sucky parts but none of the benefits. I'm voteless, will become conftown on D3, and yet, distinctly,

lack

the immunity to actions (in particular, y'know, NIGHTKILLS) that come with 'stumps. Yeah. I'm a bit bitter.

Really? I love being conftown.

yo

ima goddamn miller

VOTE: grapes

[Ricastle]

That's the only way I can see it feasibly working.

Also, I'm pretty sure the mod just confirmed mastin is lying. VOTE: mastin2

[Ricastle]

Far claimed Stump, and was removed from the VC. Mastin claimed stump prior and was not. I'm not going mad, and mastin

is

blatantly lying, right?

[Ricastle]

Both beer and mastin are scum. Beer goes first.

I assume you're neighbours. Mind paraphrasing what Beer said that was so bad he should be lynched over a confirmed liar?

[Ricastle]

Oh, I see. Mastin is just plain voteless, not an actual stump.

[Ricastle]

He claimed scum pretty much. It's pretty hard to paraphrase.

Well you're going to have to try if you want me to trust you.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Beer

Don't care about the possibility of Jester. I will plow through WIFOM.

[Ricastle]

I don't see where Beer is claiming scum in-thread, though.

What IS funny is that this would totally happen is Lars and Sadie were shoved into an alliance. Are you two sure you aren't roleplaying?

[Ricastle]

Also why the hell aren't you voting Beer with a 77 attitude?

[Ricastle]

WHAT was his entry??? Paraphrase it!

Max, what does the 'it's Lars and Sadie' point have to do with anything if you were joking about roleplaying? Vezok has said Beer claimed scum, and Beer has done nothing to refute it or explain the misunderstanding if that's all it is. So I highly doubt it's that.

[Ricastle]

I know, I know. But if Beer is lying about being Lars, then vezok is also lying about being Sadie. Sadie starting in a neighbourhood with literally anyone else makes no sense. So either they're both lying about their role names, or neither of them are.

Beer hasn't posted since Vezok claimed that Beer claimed scum. Saying 'Beer has done nothing to refute it' doesn't make any sense, they haven't had the opportunity to comment on the situation yet.

Summary: The fact that it's Lars and Sadie is what leads me to believe they are both in a neighbourhood together. Either one is lying or both are lying about their role names. I highly doubt it's the latter, because if one dies and turns out to not be Lars or Sadie, then you know the other one is lying. There's no way a Lars or a Sadie would start off in a neighbourhood without the other. So I'm inclined to believe them. So, if they are telling the truth, then it follows that Sadie is town. Lars is more unclear, and I concede that they could be scum. Personally, I don't think so, but I'm not going to let that stop me from looking at the situation properly. And right now, the situation is that vezok is claiming one thing, we haven't heard the other side of the story from Beer yet, and we already know that those two do not get along. So simply voting Beer would be really ignorant in my opinion.

EDIT: Alright, that's more info from Vezok. Okay, that's pretty bad. And I've already said that I think you're town, vezok, so..
I still wanna hear what Beer has to say, but that's good enough for a vote from me.

Bullshit. Stop beating around the bush; Vezok has been tunnelling Beer since his second post on page 1. He has had the entire time since then to explain the situation properly and he hasn't. Have a scumread.

[Ricastle]

Beer hasn't, though.

[Ricastle]

I know they are Lars and Sadie. Where am I denying that? How does it change anything?

Has it occurred to you yet that Beer has known the full contents of the conversation from the start, being the other participant and all? Yet the only 'explanation' (which I'm finding hard to see as more than a joke) he's given so far excludes anything pertaining to what Vezok is claiming happened. Completely ignoring such a major detail of the exchange is a pretty fucking big indicator that he has something to hide.

[Ricastle]

Also, go back to page 2. Vezok already brought up Beer practically claiming scum before he said anything. He has no excuse.

[Ricastle]

We don't know when the alleged scum claim happened, Ricastle.

Yes, we do. Beer's first post in the PT.

'Pretty much'. That's way different than the explicit accusation we just got now. Which Beer still hasn't responded to. But he also hasn't posted since it was made. So we wait. If he responds to it with more jokes and handwaves then I'm happy to vote him, but is it really gonna kill you to wait for a reply?

That's pedantic as shit. The point is that he has made no allusion to anything of the sort happening. Would it kill you to stop playing scum's advocate for literally no reason?

You say you don't want to be defending Beer, but I think you really do, scummy.

[Ricastle]

Oh, so do I. I'm just not expecting to be surprised.

[Ricastle]

His entry was something like: "Oh I'm scum."

[Ricastle]

The flavour isn't a massively relevant part of the conversation. I don't know anything about it either!

[Ricastle]

Ricastle hasn't shot a townsperson with a fruit cannon yet, so that makes me feel good about his slot.

[Ricastle]

Sonic, who's made which posts so far?

[Ricastle]

TIME TO DIE

[Ricastle]

Oh, right. I almost forgot about Sonic.

I still feel there is a very, very good chance he is scum and none of his recent posts have dissuaded me from this opinion.

Post #197 is about the

closest

thing to a town post in his ISO, and even that looks like something I myself would write as scum (the line about Maxwell in particular). So nope, he's done nothing that looks even remotely town so far. I am surprised no one else is actually reading his posts, or if they are, they're ignoring what seems rather obvious. It seems rather odd that the only one who seems to have eyes is a mug of beer.

Ftr, I also think Sonic is scum.

[Ricastle]

Would you consider helping me

bus

distance

lynch him?

Depends who gets more support. If we lynch Sonic, you die tomorrow, and vice versa.

[Ricastle]

This is a game of hangman!

[Ricastle]

Or hangmug, or hanghog, or whatever.

[Ricastle]

Well, you're cheating then, because I don't know how many letters there are.

E?

Okay then.

_ _ _ e _ _ _ _ _ _

[Ricastle]

Why are so many people not voting? Might as well rename this Caution Mafia.

[Ricastle]

You / me tonight?

Sure! I could serve as your vassal.

mind explaining why you're listening to obvscumbeer?

I'm not listening to him. I already held this opinion, but had not brought it up yet.

[Ricastle]

what the hell is this doing in the thread?

I cannot see both of you as town. I think it's very likely one of you is town and one is scum (although I wouldn't discount both scum), so I'd like to PoE you.

[Ricastle]

No, I want to lynch both of you regardless of the first flip, to cover all possibilities. I'm relatively confident it will yield at least 1 dead scum.

Pedit: lol, that is a shitty-ass post. 70% is a cautious value because it sounds high while also leaving plenty of room for exception. Also I think I made it clear that I don't know who is which alignment, which is why I want to lynch both of you regardless of flips. Are you scumreading me now then?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Sonic X

[Ricastle]

Good one.

[Ricastle]

No, I mean it was a good joke.

[Ricastle]

I love how ric is trying to make anything we say something scummy. Loving how u even made out that 70% (which is standard A grade in UK universities) is something scummy.

I don't fucking get how you think. But a flip prob will clear stuff up,So we can lynch beer after you flip scum.

We aren't in university. That has no bearing on anything.

[Ricastle]

Why?

[Ricastle]

I'm going to drown in this sea of effort.

Tunnel, in 340 and onwards you say you have me as town, but you also mention the Sonic wagon having two scum on it, which includes me? What's that about?

[Ricastle]

Just ISOed radmann and he is now a top scumread. 341 is possibly the worst post in the game so far. His two later posts also contain a huge unprecedented contradiction: In 344 he says that Beer "may very well be town, but TW is right about the amount of information a lynch would provide". Then suddenly in 353 he digs up a post 100 posts prior to his earlier statement, and uses it to claim that Beer is scum. And this was apparently his reason for voting Beer in 344, the same post where he said Beer may very well be town? Bullshit.

VOTE: radmann9

Also, I don't want to lynch Beer anymore.

[Ricastle]

Ricastle

, could you explain your thinking on that to me?

Sonic is scummy. The first Beer head was WIFOMing out of their ass and was too risky to keep around as a result. I figured there was probably at least 1 scum between them, and resultantly wanted them lynched in succession. It's not really PoE, I'll give you that; it's moreso just eliminating two potential threats to cover all the bases.

With my 2 main scumreads now on the Beer wagon, though, I want one of them lynched over him today. We can get back to Beer later.

[Ricastle]

Also I can reveal my role if that would help alleviate the scumreads like Mr. Mayor over there.

This needs death.

Far, are you still up for alliance? If not, anyone else interested? I'd like to believe I obvtown pretty quickly in neighborhoods.

[Ricastle]

I only just noticed Skybird was female.

[Ricastle]

Yeah Raging can be scum.

[Ricastle]

No, he needs death for that statement because he's cautiously setting up a fakeclaim which he's transparently hoping will clear him, and referring to a claim everyone is passing as town to subtilely and preemptively make his claim more believable. And the wording is generally awful.

[Ricastle]

Who are you talking about?

Radmann

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Ra9in9 Bull

Thanks for playing Frogger.

[Ricastle]

Going to try and get a readslist out today as I fear I'm getting too disengaged from this game.

[Ricastle]

BEHOLD THE READS

Ask me if you want specifics blah blah lazy blah.

Town
MaxwellPuckett
TunnelWarriors
vezokpiraka
Reasonably Rational
Marquis

Null-Town
Trench Warfare
CooLDoG
grapes
NicCage

Null
Cheetory6
Beer
farside22
mastin2
Fluminator

Null-Scum
TheFuzzylogic99
Skybird
Bins

Scum
Ra9in9 Bull
Sonic X
radmann9

Alright, I feel like I have some sort of grasp on this game now. Bins, why did you show interest in alliance in 137 and then go on to post 171?

I didn't ISO the people I already had a read on so I should probably do that. Later.

[Ricastle]

Faked, desperate fluff if ever I've seen it

[Ricastle]

Oh so you admit it's desperate? Why's that then?

[Ricastle]

394 and 395 were big indicators for me, especially the latter; I doubt he would be so upfront as scum, unless he was scum with Bins of course. Overall, though, they look like they're coming from a town standpoint. I also don't really see them trolling/fluff spamming to the extent that I

think

they're expected to as scum? I don't really know about that much but that's what I thought.

I'll get back to you on Bins after she's answered your question.

[Ricastle]

I haven't done anything yet.

Precisely.

[Ricastle]

Oh, really? What are they?

[Ricastle]

Hey Skybird. Is there anyone you'd like to vote?

[Ricastle]

And with that Cheet moves up the town pipe.

[Ricastle]

Cool!
Wanna sheep me on the guy who voted you, asked you a question and then didn't respond to you and just kind of floundered and lurked!?

Sure.

VOTE: Sonic X

[Ricastle]

Oh, NicCage. Right. I thought the posts he made during his brief appearance were alright personally. I'm happier voting the bigger scumread who more or less did the same thing. Want to sheep me on that?

[Ricastle]

Grapes and Vezo

Is your ability to double vote a 1 day power ie an X shot power or can you use it over several days

Grapes
Do you have to wait to vot again or can you vote back to back
Do you have to double Vote each day or can you just single vote...ie are you a compulsory double voter??
Also why are you being so defensive... I was thinking maybe you were town but your reaction to RR question has made me nervous about you. I don't think the question is unreasonable with two DV this game. If you can me why the question is unreasonable I will listen

I am RR on this Grapes...its possible that you are both town but also possible one is town and one is scum.... As I said before I not assuming anything.

Holy shit this is terrible

[Ricastle]

What do you think about radmann?

[Ricastle]

Fro99er is posting a lot elsewhere and not here. That isn't normal.

Christ, I have too many people I want to vote...

[Ricastle]

This game is a fucking mess...too many people looking too scummy. Fuzzy and Sonic X are apparently points of contention so I don't think anything's going to get done there. However, I'm pretty sure little to no people would have an objection to, say, a radmann or a Ra9in9 lynch, right?

VOTE: radmann9

[Ricastle]

MS and Fro99er are active lurking like crazy. I wouldn't discount them at all.

[Ricastle]

Lmao what? The radmann wagon is stalled as fuck. On that note, it would be great if more people joined it!

[Ricastle]

Like...there's literally been two votes on him in two pages and that's it. Why is that standing out to you?

[Ricastle]

I don't disagree with the vote, but I have no idea why you said this to Frogger, rather than to ika.

Ika was raging and Frogger was just sitting in the middle of it doing nothing. After things calmed down he sunk back into the shadows without contributing shit. As far as I know that is very unlike him.

[Ricastle]

Vezok, radmann is the lynch. Please vote him.

[Ricastle]

ok

Marquis is fucking TOWN

If anybody tries to give him shit I will kill you personally

I will stake my life on this

Fortunately no one is doing so at the mo



bae

Anyone know if MS is notorious for this ridiculous buddying?

[Ricastle]

Scum Ricastle was super aggressive and serious in my only experience with him.

Ha, well, as it happens, I was actually trying to imitate my town frustration in that game. Probably went overboard even still but eh. That's the way of the world.

[Ricastle]

unvote

that strat does not viable anymore

plus ithink we need to hear from RI before lynching.
Yeah good game everyone.... hopez my flip will help find scum

Wtf? What 'strat'? Were you actually planning on lynching radmann before he got replaced??

[Ricastle]

Yes....umless be was replaced before there was a day or two lefr...... need t7me for the wagon to go through. As I said I dont have much options. I amnot going to vote myself. RR is town in my eyes and a no vote would be zero help. This left voting a slot that could flip ether way, was not that usefull to start with and was abandoned. There are three slots to vote for.....I choose the lesser of the evil and voted Rad. If that makes me scum than fine ...whatever.Anyways I not going to lie to you since it wont help the tow. I did what I thought was best for the town...I dont care if it makes me look bad. Winnning the game is what I am going for.

I knew most of that already. Why does a radmann replacement entering in make the wagon unviable? What's the point of unvoting if, in your view, there is no other option?

[Ricastle]

Okay, who is scum?

[Ricastle]

[Ricastle]

The rest of that paragraph is even worse

[Ricastle]

But what about me?

[Ricastle]

I need an ally still
I promise to keep you from being lonely at night

Alright then!

VOTE: Beer Let's see what you do at L-1.

[Ricastle]

@Max:

No, Nic is allying with me. I've already been cheated out of 1 alliance already, give me a break here.

Replace In's...replace in really did nothing to indicate he's town, so I have no idea why Marquis hopped off. Fuzzy's unvote was openly atrocious and I moved to put some more pressure on Beer as the Replace wagon was losing steam.

[Ricastle]

-I can see why there's a wagon for Radmann, but I especially dislike Ricastle's presence on it. He keeps pushing, gets off, gets back on again and starts pushing again, meanwhile derailing the Beer wagon.

So moving your vote is scummy now? Remarkable.

[Ricastle]

The last thing Beer said was that they were looking for a third head. That is most likely that head.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Ra9in9 Bull

Everyone's next post needs to be a Bull vote for this to work.

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, are you convinced Raging Bull is scum?

Yes. Vote him please.

[Ricastle]

Huh? Cheetory didn't flip?

We need to kill either someone on the Beer wagon (

Sonic X

) or Fro99er Today, methinks. On that note VOTE: Fro99er

[Ricastle]

Ika was playing his scum meta to a T. Fro99er has also been unusually lurky for most of the game.

[Ricastle]

Tbf, Beer's second and third heads were playing quite well. The first head was just an idiot.

[Ricastle]

I only just read the flipped role. Yeah, I really should do that before posting in the thread...

[Ricastle]

Is there a purpose to these fake dayvigs?

[Ricastle]

shut the fuck up, asshat, its a gladiate

i wanted to slice you with it but you're probably more a loser than anything from what i've seen of your play

Provoking me is not advisable. In fact, it's profoundly unadvisable.

[Ricastle]

provoking me is less advisable than me provoking you

just take note of that

Hahahahaha.

[Ricastle]

I looked up the Light Prism, and it's an object...not a character. You cannot seriously expect anyone to believe you.

[Ricastle]

You cannot get a canonical character picture of the Light Prism as a gem to put in the role PM table. I would imagine Varsoon to know about such theories, and I could easily see him incorporating it into a fakeclaim. That seems much less farfetched than the other possibility.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Ricastle

Top o' the morning, scummy!

[Ricastle]

Oh my god. No way...he ACTUALLY LIED about that?

VOTE: Metal Sonic

[Ricastle]

I think we should wait until/if MS flips scum before considering a massclaim, to see if scum's fakeclaims really are that bad. Otherwise it will more likely than not be more beneficial to scum than town.

And personally, I'd considerably prefer it if Steven was kept ambiguous. (No, I'm not Steven.)

[Ricastle]

Eh, I suppose it's possible metal invoked whatever he was talking about the wrong way?

This is what I was thinking.

[Ricastle]

Drixx, if you knew about this, then that is absolutely pathetic and you should be ashamed. And I'm assuming you did based on how Bins reacted.

I'm pretty sure I know who Binsy is, and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

But, forcing ones way into a PT and then threatening people seems like a D- scum strategy at best.

But, Bins (or their replacement if that happens, really sorry that something happened to mess up your enjoyment of the game) is gonna stay on my watchlist because of who I think their role is, and who they could also be if I'm wrong.

And I wanna see how people treat this situation, too.

Come on, just say it. We already know what the role does which is the most important part. The only thing revealing the flavour will do is help us determine the slot's alignment, and that can only be good, right?

Hey, am I on that watchlist?

St Constantine the Hermit replaces Bins.

AAAAAAYYYYYYY MY BOY!

THIS GAME IS BASTARD

THIS GAME IS BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MY 1 SHOT WAS USED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man, I love it when my nemesis starts raging, fake or not. Oh how I love it.

I mean, your role is the type of thing that justifies mass claims.

You've shared roles already?! You must be pretty confident you're both town then?

Also, I really don't want Cooldog to die, ever. He's too funny. Also town.

Jesus fucking Christ, I'm not posting until Varsoon explains this shit to me

meanwhile fuzzy is also obvscum

There is a very obvious explanation to be had here. Your role requires the uttering of a specific quote from SU to activate; but such a specification would be made pretty clear in your PM if so. I think you know quite well how to activate it properly. But doing so will most likely reveal that you are a scum character, based on whose quote you, well, quote; therefore your plan was to make the gladiate activation command as ambiguous as possible and hoping Varsoon would still count it. You are scum.

[Ricastle]

Oh, I only just fully understood the convo. Bins specifically said she was not going to use it, so what's the problem...? I think slingling out a player to target based on a scumread is much more likely to come from town, anyway.

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, and I'm just supposed to take her word for it? As scum, that's what Bins would have to say. Singling out a threat and eliminating it is alignment neutral.

She said she wasn't going to use it IN THE PT. That's not a threat. She was merely stating what her role would do if she did use it.

Surely if she was scum with a devastating role she wouldn't care who she used it on?

[Ricastle]

I don't know what to say about this, Drixx. This is morally complicated and further discussion of it is not warranted in this game. However, I wasn't even attacking you with that statement; it should have been clear enough why I was angry. You are completely overreacting and I don't like it. Scumread returned.

Titus, RR quoted some of the stuff Bins said two pages ago.

[Ricastle]

Sorry not Titus. Tunnel.

[Ricastle]

First post: "I expected it to just be me and RR"
Second post: "Since it's way more of us, I won't use the second part of my ability as that would be super non town"

Later Post: "By the way the second part of my ability is to destroy your role completely"

[Ricastle]

Why are you ignoring 1575?

[Ricastle]

MS

[Ricastle]

That isn't the point. It's quite clear that the information I'm working with is available in the thread, so your attack holds no water. Back off son.

[Ricastle]

The Light Prism isn't even a character...and besides, that's not why I'm attacking you.

[Ricastle]

How does the gladiate relate to your flavour?

[Ricastle]

It doesn't.

I find it hard to believe he's telling the truth then. Is there another character who could have a Gladiator ability connected to their flavour?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Fro99er

[Ricastle]

What do you all think the chances are of Fro99er and Sonic being partners?

[Ricastle]

Explain.

[Ricastle]

Lol. If you were town you would be scumreading me for that. Your townread on me is not nearly strong enough to warrant otherwise.

And you seem to have missed the "Ika was playing his scum meta to a T" part.

[Ricastle]

Is your Ascetic X-shot?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Replace In

This shit is too confusing. Let's just have us a solid scum lynch.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Constantine

Explain why Tunnel is confscum right now.

[Ricastle]

Why are you being stingy about releasing vital information? Do you actually care about this game?

[Ricastle]

I mean, for fuck's sake. You literally just destroyed our fucking MASS DOCTOR. AND YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO NOT BE ANGRY AT YOU??

[Ricastle]

Hold on. Wgeurts, are you claiming dayvig?

[Ricastle]

He can't now if he's vanilla...did he claim character? If not, do it now, Wgeurts.

[Ricastle]

In fact, anyone whose ability has been revealed might as well claim character. So it would be very helpful if you did too, Saint.

[Ricastle]

What info? Tunnel and Constantine's roles are already fully revealed. I don't see how revealing flavour is beneficial to scum. I do see, however, how it is beneficial to town, at least possibly.

[Ricastle]

UNVOTE:

Discuss.

Why did you think Tunnel was confscum? Hurry now. I'm not really understanding.

[Ricastle]

What were the "other things"?

[Ricastle]

Oh, it's only going to get better from here, believe me.

[Ricastle]

Honestly, I

would

rather lynch Sonic over Fro99er at this point.

Tunnel really, really needs to get back in here pronto. I feel my own game is stalling due to their absence.

Farside, I'd love to hear your opinions on the gamestate rn.

[Ricastle]

he is scummy

I'm convinced.

[Ricastle]

Constantine, did Tunnel specify in the PT that they had sent in their shot, or were you just assuming they had?

[Ricastle]

Okay, so he pretty much confirmed that he did shoot?

[Ricastle]

Tunnel can't have shot. Either way he really needs to turn up and start explaining some shit.

[Ricastle]

Wow Fuzzy, what a remarkable load of nothing you have there. I think I've found my preferred lynch for today.

Now where the fuck is Tunnel? Seriously. This is getting frustrating.

[Ricastle]

Fro99er is getting increasingly better but the Ika scum meta cloud still hangs over him.

[Ricastle]

NicCage, I'd like to hear your thoughts on these players:

Fro99er
Sonic X
TunnelWarriors
Reasonably Rational
St Constantine the Hermit
TheFuzzylogic99

[Ricastle]

Sonic seems to be pretty town so I going to wait to vote him

Wtf?

[Ricastle]

Who is your character?

Can you paraphrase in the most accurate way possible what happened in the PT? I'm still a bit lost.

[Ricastle]

Dayvig your top scumread, please.

[Ricastle]

Eh, you know what, forget that. I've played it far too cautious up till now when there is overwhelming evidence that you're scum. The only thing which has kept me from acting is that Varsoon is modding this game, but I'm pretty sure now that he's not twisted enough to go this far.

I would love to drag this out a bit further to confirm you as scum beyond reasonable doubt, but I'm an impatient guy, and you know what I always say:

If every porkchop were perfect, we wouldn't have hotdogs, TunnelWarriors!

[Ricastle]

Wait and see.

[Ricastle]

Indefinitely!

[Ricastle]

What? Why is he flipping town?

[Ricastle]

Of course you are, Mr. Second Dayvig Side Character with No Apparent Thematic Connection.

This would be a great time to out any gambit you may have been pulling...

[Ricastle]

If it is, *shrug*, you just killed a mass jailkeeper alliance maker. GG

Why the fucking hell did you claim dayvig? Just tell me that. Did you actually think you wouldn't get countervigged?

[Ricastle]

Was it necessary to keep those conditions secret? What are they?

I'm Greg.

[Ricastle]

Like did you just seriously shoot me because of that?
Are you a fucking idiot or something?

Rage more. If I had claimed dayvig first would you have hesitated to shoot me?

[Ricastle]

Yeah well thanks for telling everyone that so it was totally obvious you were that limited and it therefore wasn't remotely absurd for there to be another dayvig.

[Ricastle]

I am not a fucking mind reader.

[Ricastle]

Yes, it should happen as soon as Varsoon gets on.

Can you explain why you'd shoot tunnel over constantine in this situation?

Oh, and are you talking to me here? Because if you are it should be quite obvious.

[Ricastle]

At the time I was under the impression Tunnel was claiming virtually unrestricted dayvig (mine has conditions, but they're fairly minor). That's a ridiculously powerful role to have 2 of in the town, much more so than two doublevoters (one of which cannot vote the same player twice, and both being counterbalanced by two voteless players).

[Ricastle]

I also remember seeing something that insinuated Tunnel could PM his daykill to the mod, which I cannot. Conflicting activation conditions for the same role in the same game heavily implies something is wrong.

[Ricastle]

Nope.

[Ricastle]

ARE.

YOU.

SHITTING.

ME.

[Ricastle]

I cannot believe it, wgeurts. I cannot.

I was prepared for you to flip town after that exchange. But for you to have lied about your dayvig, which was the cause of all this? No.

Although I suppose with this, you have honorarily day bogged the town's foot. Ffs...

[Ricastle]

I cannot believe it, wgeurts. I cannot.

I was prepared for you to flip town after that exchange. But for you to have lied about your dayvig, which was the cause of all this? No.

Although I suppose with this, you have honorarily dayvigged the town's foot. Ffs...

get lost auto"correct"

[Ricastle]

Yeah, come on. Diminish me all you want; but I know that ANYONE would have done what I did if they were in my shoes.

[Ricastle]

As it turned out, he

was

lying! How the hell is it more reasonable to believe, as the real dayvig, that Tunnel was town doing a nonsensical gambit over simply being lying scum?

[Ricastle]

Based on the opinion of someone who's already claimed?

[Ricastle]

Also I guess it wouldn't hurt to mention that Tunnel was probably scumreading someone in his alliance, which is why he claimed dayvig and gave them all his trust to attract them to him as an optimal kill.

[Ricastle]

He claimed dayvig and all that other stuff because he wanted to make his role such an obvious threat that scum would try to target it and he would get to kill them.

Precisely. But as far as I can see, he only ever intended to claim to you three. Therefore, it stands to reason that he was covertly scumreading one of you and hoped that same person would kill him.

[Ricastle]

Him giving you all townreads was most likely to compound the motivation to kill, as his town reads would hardly be the first place one would look to link a player to his murder; quite the opposite.

[Ricastle]

Okay then.

[Ricastle]

>The process was extremely logical and pro-town.

And it has yet to be explained why this is.

[Ricastle]

Or did you only think they were lying until after you shot them?

ding ding ding correct answer, yay...

Okay seriously. This just needs to be said.

Oh really? So you're about to say something that hasn't been stated before by literally everyone present after the shot then? Oh, no, you just want a justification for kicking the man while he's down. Fuck you.

What I CANNOT fucking stand is when people use another's mistake to bolster their own righteous ego when that mistake could only be properly realised in hindsight!!

Like ... within a couple pages before your shot, it was pointed out that town vigilante is dying out as a role on this site because most town vigilantes try to be "hero vig" and end up being "zero vig" instead. Someone even explicitly said why vigilante shots end up being bad and fail, and even pointed out how to

avoid

becoming a "zero vig", and then you just ignored all that and become a zero.

Did you read what you just quoted? The statement was that vigs were dying out as a role. So HOW FUCKING LIKELY WAS IT THAT THERE WERE TWO VIGS?? That post did nothing but invigorate my decision.

The worst part is that TunnelWarriors freaking claimed his character already, and demonstrated that a large portion of his claim was true by forming a larger than normal alliance.

Is large alliance forming not a reasonable scum role? Because it fucking is. That was the only proven part.

Somehow, even worse than that ... you shot TunnelWarriors because he had a ridiculously pro-town plan in motion. You had

SOLID RATIONAL EVIDENCE

that TunnelWarriors was bluffing about dayvig, or else why would the Bins slot still be alive after it threatened to make three of us vanilla? It appears like you didn't even engage your brain, ever, throughout the entire process that led to you making that play.

WHAT PLAN???

OH, THERE WAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE HE WAS LYING WAS THERE? THANKS, IT'S NOT LIKE

THAT WAS WHY I SHOT HIM OR ANYTHING, WAS IT

?!

Unless anybody can tell me why it was reasonable, after accumulating overwhelming evidence that Tunnel was lying, to assume he was town rather than scum, SHUT THE FUCK UP because you are clearly NOT understanding the circumstances.

Furthermore, you are very scummy after the vig was over because you are speculating about TunnelWarriors thinking either We or Trench are scum, and stating it as if it were fact. Even after you were corrected and told that Tunnel had claimed and explained his plans completely after you did the shot in thread, but before he died, you still pressed on with that narrative.

No I didn't!! As soon as his posts in the PT were explained I dropped it! And you are actually acting as if I am still holding this opinion...you know which side of mafia games has to make up a story? The fucking scum side.

I'm cranky, going through full mouth reconstruction (full dental extractions and implants a few teeth at a time) and thus in pain all the time, and I just have no patience for the sort of awful that you displayed in the action and the aftermath. If you are town, you need to take responsibility for your absolutely ridiculously shitty play instead of trying to blame other people for a decision you made by yourself, apparently while entirely ignoring tons of things in the freaking game thread that were telling you that you shouldn't do it.

Personally, I think you are scum and you slipped after the flip.

VOTE: Ricastle

You know what, I have HAD IT with the egos in this game. You wouldn't be remotely justified stating any of this before the flip. There were NO further questions I could have asked which wouldn't have required I already knew their answer: In other words, something you can only bring up IN HINDSIGHT, which is all you have been

fucking

going on this

entire

fucking time.

I am not remotely interested in this game anymore because purportedly for reasons perfectly apparent to ME prior to the flip that shot was the most atrocious play in the history of MS and all of you couldn't make me feel worse about it. So I'm just going to coast to lylo by doing nothing so I can actually live to endgame for once. No, I'm not interested in replacing out, much as I'm not interested in doing anything positive for you fuckers.

Parking vote. VOTE: NicCage

[Ricastle]

Sure.

[Ricastle]

Can't see why it's important.

[Ricastle]

I don't remember anyway.

[Ricastle]

Lurking isn't against the rules. That's actually specifically stated in the rules. If you want to PL me, you can do so anytime.

I'm still going to vote though.

[Ricastle]

Okay, I guess as you insinuated that you like playing with me in some capacity, I'll give you a tentative pass into the exceptions pile with Titus.

It's true that I can't legitimately remember my read on Saint at that time though. Even so, it's quite likely I was townreading him then because I'm townreading him now.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Replace In

[Ricastle]

What are your quotes?

[Ricastle]

Alright, I suppose I had better get this out in the clear before the topic totally transitions, because I don't think it's been legitimately conveyed up to this point.

I

do

regret my shot, massively. And I recognise that I am entirely responsible for it. It was an objectively bad move, which is why I'm as angry as anyone else about it. However, coming from a different viewpoint, my reaction was a lot more openly self-serving and I accept that fully. When I feel an action I took was justified to an extent, even if it was the wrong decision, I will defend my motivations to the death. So, I'm sorry; for messing this game up, filling it with shit, and depriving us of what was probably one of the best roles, and one of the best players, at the town's disposal.

And while no positive can be taken from this, no negative should be taken from it either. That includes me giving up on this game, and while lurking

is

within the rules, giving up on your team and playing against your wincon is not. And at the end of the day, I don't want to be held accountable for the effective loss of two townies instead of one when it can be easily avoided.

I also

really

don't want to be held responsible for the town's loss, so while yes, if such is to happen, I accept that I will have played a big part in it. I don't have any more shots, so the only thing left is my vote. But I will use it as best as I possibly can, to make the chance of that occurring as minimal as I, individually, can make it.

So on that note, we should all vote Replace In! He's posted what, three times today, and hasn't provided any meaningful progressive content in the entire duration of his time here. The main point is that he replaced into the god-awful radmann slot and has done nothing to counteract the legacy of their play. I also doubt he's going to be able to follow up on his claim, and if anything, a vote to pressure him into paraphrasing it would be just fine. I also personally found it pretty weird that he went to the wiki to back up his claim when one's town PM and the flavour in that should be sufficient for anyone who doesn't watch SU. I don't know if fakeclaims have their own quotes, though, which is one problem.

Another solid option would be Fuzzy, who has literally done jack shit the whole game. There's a difference between his actions and VI behaviour, as well: He hasn't made any pushes. All of his views on players are null waffling of the highest order, and everything else he's done is filler, stating obvious facts to make him look like he's doing something. I can't say I know a single solid scum read he has and I don't know if he's even voting right now. Point is, he's playing an excessively cautious game and that is very telling indeed.

[Ricastle]

the flavour for my character is something like: you're a pink human. Not really though, you're actually a lion

As for the quotes:

-Rose has kept secrets
-you've been taught to say you love someone.
-The reason for being pink
-you have magic stuff, to play with other magic boys

I changed the look of them to not get modkilled.

They are still word-for-word the exact quotes, yes? Going under that assumption, they really don't look natural or coherent with the style of the other quotes we've seen so far. But that could just be because everyone we've seen so far actually

has

quotes of their own. But then in that case, I'd expect all the quotes to relate in some way to the Lion, which the two without capitaization don't, at least I don't think?

Speaking of which, the two quotes without capitalisation strike me. Like you just copypasted them from the middle of a sentence. In fact they all look like that in some way.

Why are you unsure of the wording on the flavour that's presumably right there in your role PM? Although to be fair, I don't think anybody was asking you to say this, so that's one town point from this post.

[Ricastle]

Trench, why is Saint scum? Do you really think the first thing he would do coming into this game as scum would be to make a blatantly antitown move which attracts the attention of the entire playerlist?

I agree with grapes on Skybird. At least when the former shows up, they provide good content.

[Ricastle]

Okay, well I guess it comes down to how one perceives Saint. I'm reading his antics as town, personally, but he'll almost certainly end up being (mis)lynched down the line so we'll see who got it right then.

The vast majority of Skybird's posts are random questions that don't lead anywhere or fluff/corrections. Notable scummy exceptions to these are:

Her unexplained stance change on Vezok from 299 to 393 to 522 (the latter also being a really scummy way to set up hopping on the Beer wagon and a deliberate attempt to keep on Vezok's good side)

Lays out the votes she'd be fine with in 687, two of them sheeping the crowd and the other being OMGUS on confirmed town; this is what her play thus far surmounted to?

2142 and 2149 completely contradict her read on Saint that she had only just presented. She also never mentioned a read on Bins before, and I believe she has also said at some point that she is lurking in points where she has nothing to say. So why didn't she mention that? In other words, more sheeping the crowd.

[Ricastle]

It came out later? No it didn't. Vezok was confirmed doublevoter at the start of page 2.

I'm not jumping on Beer yet because his wagon seems too convenient. I don't know how to explain it better than that right now. I do see the points against him and will most likely vote him soon. But I'm not going to rush myself just to get a town read from you.

This is compensation to keep things as passive as possible.

As for your stance on lurking:

If I don't have something to say, I'm not going to post.

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, thanks for pointing out post 2188. I was looking for me saying I lurked or something like that. I feel it's a damned if I do or damned if I don't type of thing with posting. I am and will always be a low post count poster. I post when I have something to say or if I want clarification on what someone else posted. I try to interact with people by asking questions. But I will not spam the thread with irrelevant stuff just to up my post count.

Okay, so why didn't you ever mention your supposed scumread on Bins?

[Ricastle]

Feeling a tad better about Skybird.

Replace In's claim and play is really off, so could we swing some more votes over there, perchance?

[Ricastle]

*sigh*

No, these are not the exact quotes.
No, I did not claim human

What are the exact quotes then? Holy crap. Tunnel practically copypasted his quotes into his alliance and suffered no consequences.

[Ricastle]

The case on Replace In:

Spoiler:

Just ISOed radmann and he is now a top scumread. 341 is possibly the worst post in the game so far. His two later posts also contain a huge unprecedented contradiction: In 344 he says that Beer "may very well be town, but TW is right about the amount of information a lynch would provide". Then suddenly in 353 he digs up a post 100 posts prior to his earlier statement, and uses it to claim that Beer is scum. And this was apparently his reason for voting Beer in 344, the same post where he said Beer may very well be town? Bullshit.

Also I can reveal my role if that would help alleviate the scumreads like Mr. Mayor over there.

This needs death.

No, he needs death for that statement because he's cautiously setting up a fakeclaim which he's transparently hoping will clear him, and referring to a claim everyone is passing as town to subtilely and preemptively make his claim more believable. And the wording is generally awful.

So on that note, we should all vote Replace In! He's posted what, three times today, and hasn't provided any meaningful progressive content in the entire duration of his time here. The main point is that he replaced into the god-awful radmann slot and has done nothing to counteract the legacy of their play. I also personally found it pretty weird that he went to the wiki to back up his claim when one's town PM and the flavour in that should be sufficient for anyone who doesn't watch SU. I don't know if fakeclaims have their own quotes, though, which is one problem.

[Ricastle]

Vote Replace In

[Ricastle]

Oh, by the way Far, thanks for reminding me that Sonic is scummy as shit. I almost forgot he existed!

[Ricastle]

Yeah still target me with night actions and stuff. If you don't know who to target just target me yolo

Does one of your abilities concern being targeted? Because if not this is just antitown.

[Ricastle]

Fro99er, describe your scum meta.

[Ricastle]

Yeah, you know what, this is better.

VOTE: Sonic X

[Ricastle]

Nic is town. This is coming from his Ally.

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, is this coming from stuff in your PT?

Yes, it was implied.

how interesting. so frogger is bullshitting then. and i am town then.

cool

Seriously? "Oh, I guess I

am

town! Great!"

I was about to move my vote as well.

[Ricastle]

Hey Sonic, Fro99er is town.

UH OH! FRO99ER'S BEING TOWNREAD BY A TOWNIE!!! LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE BEEN CAUGHT BULLSHITTING!

(I was going to move to Replace In. And I may still)

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Replace In

[Ricastle]

Ah yes, the common buzztell "the wagon built too fast"...almost always bullshit. Look at the wagon composition. Me & Vezok are conftown. Far voted ages ago and when there was only one vote on Replace In (mine). Trench was the first to pile on in that page. Where is the scum vote here?

[Ricastle]

If I were scum, my claim of Greg would have to be a fakeclaim. But it has been proven that my ability is activated by uttering a phrase directly associated with Greg, and not, if I were scum, my real character. Unless you'd like to argue that it's probable for fakeclaims to be detailed and the real scum roles to be no more than names, I am conftown.

[Ricastle]

2 days. Let's lynch Replace In.

[Ricastle]

Do you think survivalism is typically a town trait?

[Ricastle]

At one point, I may be willing to lynch Fro99er based off of Ika's meta. But Replace In dies today. The fact that it's so hard to build up a wagon on what should be low-hanging fruit says enough.

Pedit: I told you, I don't have any more vigs. Sorry.

[Ricastle]

this is a stupid fucking question that is just a justification to get a free pass for a frogger vote.

vote: Ricastle

Yes, foreshadowing for a Fro99er vote which totally ended up happening, right? Read the exchange again kid. My motivation for asking that question was

literally the exact opposite

.

Why I am starting a new wagon on this person.

Meanwhile, this is just a dumbass misrep.

I could go for replacein, my views on sonic are changing though. I am not as sold as I was before about him being scum.
...
goes for the easy popular wagon. I would like a ric lynch today. S/he flew under the radar for the past 100 or so pages of nothing.

This is absolute BS...have you been completely ignoring my stance on Replace In or something? Also the obvious absurdity that is talking about going for RI and then calling it an easy popular wagon in your very next statement when trying to find evidence for your ""case"" against me.

flavor means shit. Darth Vader can be town.

What do you make of my dayvig, as you curiously seem to have made no comment whatsoever on it? Where are the actual points in this case that indicate I'm scum? Seriously, I've come to the end of your post and I have absolutely no idea what you're attacking me for that isn't an utterly shameless misrep. This push is strategic as fuck.

Pedit: Alright, let's go. VOTE: CooLDoG

[Ricastle]

There is no driving force behind Cooldog's attack on me. He is desperately grasping for any sort of statement he can twist from the get-go - it's a completely illogical, unnatural, and unfounded push. The only reason I can see him doing something like this with such blatantly bullshit reasons is if he was scum aiming for a specific strategy or endgoal by pushing me. At the very least, it's almost certainly inspired by an ulterior motive of some sort because what he's presented to the thread has been utterly laughable. That's why I say it's a strategic push.

[Ricastle]

Even people who

have supported the wagon

are hesitant to join it. Such as Ricastle. Heck! Vezok's iso contains nothing but Frogger-bashing the entire time as far as I can tell, so he should have no reason to resist, yet here he is insisting that something about the basically-nonexistent-at-the-time wagon is bad!

How is this point remotely relevant?

Why are you agreeing with Fro99er's point about Replace In if you think he's scum, which as a result would give Replace In a legitimate reason as scum to try and clear Fro99er?

[Ricastle]

Cooldog highlighted my vote on RI and called the wagon easy as a point against me. It's why he's scum, Fro99er.

[Ricastle]

Such a shame, really. I was looking forward to more enjoyable posts from Cooldog like the ones from D1. He really went downhill today...well, if you catch a scum, you gotta lynch em' I guess.

[Ricastle]

Do you know Ika personally? Just curious.

[Ricastle]

Cooldog, how was my response unreasonable compared to that trash case of yours? Wtf is this bullshit you've called me out on, as it doesn't look like it exists? And are you going to back up any of your points against me? If not, I'm going to assume you conceded them all and are talking completely out of your ass.

And you yet again state that Replace In is a fine wagon which totally contradicts your criticism of my presence on it. You aren't helping yourself at all here.

[Ricastle]

This isn't normal, this is Theme, and a Varsoon Theme no less. The only parts of your case that are remotely passable are Ika's meta and anything you have against Fro99er's actual play

which you should really get to detailing already

.

[Ricastle]

Why are you agreeing with Fro99er's point about Replace In if you think he's scum, which as a result would give Replace In a legitimate reason as scum to try and clear Fro99er?

Just because Frogger's scum doesn't mean he can't raise a good point for why Replace-in wouldn't be. In fact, it's to his benefit to. Basically, Frogger's alignment regardless, he raised a good point on why Replace-in wouldn't be scum. I agreed with the point. I still think Frogger is scum in spite of him raising the point.

But you recognise it as irrelevant if Fro99er flips scum, right?

Trench, we're still allying tonight, yes?

[Ricastle]

Yes. We are.

Great!

VOTE: Replace In

[Ricastle]

No?

Scum raise valid points on town all the time.

I feel Fro99er raised a valid point on why Replace-in is town.

Frogger flipping scum doesn't invalidate the point just because he was scum, because I'm myself adopting the point as if it were my own. I easily could have said that same thing about Replace-in. So the point holds, regardless of Frogger's alignment. Replace-in is town.

You're just being a buffoon then because Fro99er's point requires him to be town in order to be valid.

[Ricastle]

What are your quotes and the abilities under them? You CANNOT just have 1 ability with 4 quotes.

[Ricastle]

Wait, yes you can. Nevermind.