Mini 1701 - Modified Werewolf 13er

[WoodyWoodpecker]

vote: red coyote

Coyote, werewolf, same difference

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Nervous mistake?

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Well that's not very nice

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Enough with the ongoing game stuff, if its ongoing don't use it in this game

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Needs more votes

vote: haschel

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Needs more votes

vote: haschel

Why didn't you join earlier?

Cause I was playing swordigo on my phone and didn't notice a wagon had formed

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Mod yellow is hard on my eyes and barely readable

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Yes, I play .mostly on my phone and miss things and make mistakes quite often

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WoodyWoodpecker, I have not played with you before, but would you say you make a habit of making mistakes/slips as both town and scum?

Yes

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It can be.

It depends on what they're not paying attention to. For example, should we lynch Haschel at any point and he flips scum, I will look back at RVS and be like 'Hmm, it was weird that Woody acted like that wagon on Haschel didn't exist, why would he do that?'

And I'd be like "cause I totally didn't see it" and it would be the truth because when I came back to the thread it was on page 2, he got votes on page 3

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Page 1 i mean

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When I click on the little button under "last post" it took me to post 46, the post where you say its ongoing so I immediately responded to that cause just about every game on this site ive playes in has an example of somebody using an going game as a reason.

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I have never seen someone use the Hack 'n slash adventure game

Swordigo

as an excuse for inattentiveness. I will be keeping an eye on WoodyWoodpecker's activity and observations.

Just dow loaded it yesterday and am addicted. Got home from work and got to the first boss and took like 7 tries but finally beat him

P.edit - always read backward. Can't figure out how to return to the thread from my last post so instead I click that last post button. I also don't always go back and read what I miss right away id rather stay with current discussion

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I associate choosing when and what to comment on as possible scum-play.

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May be strange but that's how I play, at least in this site anyway.

Other sites take me to my last post which makes things much easier.

I don't care if you think I'm telling "porkies", its the truth. Don't need you to believe me

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You do.

Because if I don't, you get lynched.

I'm in like 5 games and a newbie starting soon.

I think I'll survive

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No I don't die. I get lynched and can't play in this game anymore. I'll still be very much alive to play other games

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I'm sure if you want you can look aty completed games and see where I played backward, regardless of my alignment this game I wouldn't lie about things that can actually be verified so attacking for that is kind of sketchy

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Using meta to determine alignment? yes
Using meta to confirm a player isn't lying? Absolutely not

Voting somebody for doing something that is play style related sketchy? Yes cause play style=/= alignment indicative

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Haschel Cedricson defends WoodyWoodpecker and re-directs attention to BlueBloodedToffee and Keyser Söze - noted.

Why is that suspicious? The attention on me is for BS reasoning

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I mean, if you think I'm voting you because you read the game backwards you should go back and reread why I'm voting you.

You are voting me because I didn't see the Herschel wagon. I didn't see the wagon cause I read backward

So you are ultimately voting me for reading backwards

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always read backward. Can't figure out how to return to the thread from my last post so instead I click that last post button. I also don't always go back and read what I miss right away id rather stay with current discussion

And I saw that already and responded to it..

Quoted for your reference

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I mean, it's not like the current topic of conversation was a) all that interesting and b) something you can actually talk about in depth so I fail to see why you would not read the posts you missed.

Cause its day 1 page 2 and there was no urgency to go back and read right away.

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You didn't crush anything.

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I also don't always go back and read what I miss right away

Especially day 1, page 2.

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OK, I still say you're lying.

You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

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If its one, it is probably blue. Nothing he's attacking me for is remotely scummy and certainly not alignment indicative. Now clearly he doesn't know me and probably thinks I'm an easy target but he's wrong about that. I can defend myself all day and I love to argue.

That said I don't really think blue is scum and that's all I'll say about blue cause I want to keep things civil.

Absta is pinging me a little but I don't have any strong reads yet. It's a shame blue blew up the Herschel wagon before we could get some good reactions out of it.

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I'd say the most scummy thing about Woody is that all he has been doing is defending himself rather than trying to find scum.

It's early

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Well I don't particularly feel anything that's been posted for has given me a good reason to vote then right now. Granted I'm not reading that closely right now plus we have people who hasn't posted yet. The game just opened a couple hours ago, relax people its going to be a long 2 weeks

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Ok, off to play more swordigo now

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The game just opened a couple hours ago, relax people its going to be a long 2 weeks

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woody is sketchy because he states that meta is not used for alignment verification but then states that you can read his games to read him?

That's not what I said at all. I said you can probably read games to see examples of me reading backwards and me reading backwards isn't an alignment tell. It's actually how I play.

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Have you got examples of you reading a game backwards?

I'm sure every single one of them. I'm on a phone now so I can't cite examples but feel free to look through them

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This is bad. First you say bbt is scum then you say he isn't? Why does ab ping you? Of course you woukd say it is blue, after all key said it was you or him.

I didn't say he was scum

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if

its one, it is probably blue

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I'm saying IF there's 1 scum between us like he said, it would be him. He said 1 or none.

Learn to read please

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I don't think scum would be that stupid. It exposes them far too early.

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I do know from experience though that this argument is bound to go on for pages and pages and if we are both town scum is going to hide in the shadows

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Does this game only last a few minutes

Depends if I die or not

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I have 5 votes on me BTW

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Also my frequent posting doesn't have anything to do with my alignment either but nice try red.

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That's absolutely what he implies when he said

"did he feel like he was unable to leave the thread long enough lest he get lynched? I'll let y'all in on a secret... when I am scum, sometimes I get worried about leaving the thread if I think I am in a bad spot. As town, I do not feel as anxious."

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He thinks my frequent posting is me being nervous/anxious and it isn't.

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oh, I think BBT is town, but if other people think he is scum... here is why he could be and I'll let y'all do the dirty work

This actually sums up that post perfectly. Not sure why you have a problem with it. I don't think he's scum but I'm certainly not going to stop others who think he could be. I'm not guaranteed to be right on my read.

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@BBT
I didn't want to derail your Haschel wagon for no good reason, but if you're not wagon-pushing there anymore I can skip to the end.
Haschel's RVS vote on Bulb looked to me like a joke / shared experience nod. 16 looks LAMIST; he is presuming seriousness instead of thinking about tone / context of the post.

Ok I'm confused cause the link you keep posting takes me to the top of page 1.

You say post 16, so this one?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7085232

How is that "look at me I'm so town"?

If not that one, which post?

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When a player is under pressure I believe it is best to see the full cycle of the interrogation (whatever the reasons, whether they be stupid/bs/logical).

That's dumb. If you see somebody being interrogated for bad reasoning you are going to sit back and let it happen? Thats anti-town behavior imo

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Why would you

sign up for a game and then not read it

?

If that was me, it would be for either anti-town or scummy reasons.

Nobody asked you

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It's a weak read but like I said, he's been really active; that's something I do not expect from scum.

Why do you think scum can't be active?

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vote: bulba

Scum found. Blatant misreppping my post and once I pointed it out and showed he was wrong he didn't admit hia mistake and unvote.

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pedit: scum can be active, u r an example ww

1. I'm not scum
2. That's l-1
3. Shame on you for not announcing it
4. I am scum hunting

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Unofficial but I am pretty sure i'm correct VC

Woody: Vinkah, blue, keyser, absta, bulba, Redff (L-1)

Absta: Zoro
kmd: tony
Bulba: woody
BBT: kmd

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Post 125 is unneeded. Bbt, if you scumread him so much, why not just vote the player right now? Are you afraid of looking scummy? Post 126 are words of truth. The scummiest thing woody has done is defend himself and argue for his own sake than scumhunt for the sake of the town. 128 is arguably the scummiest thing I have read in my entire career on here. That was totally an unneeded justification. I think we are in post rvs or late rvs, so why bring this up? 133 is a joke? 137 strikes me as town motivated. 142 is another example of him justifying himself insteadmof hunting for the scum. I like 144 from kmd. Explains motives and actions, unlike bbt and some others. 145 and 147 are easily an attempt to do the above. I agree with 149. 150 is a strawman. Scum can act that way this early, and Im not discarding the possibility. 152 is mostly filler and then it gets to the scumhunting point when he says what posts he likes. I disagree with the keyser read for reasons that were already stated. 153 through 155 are horrible. He is not even caring. 155 triesnto discredit something he misreps. Even vink points it out. Woody, you are misrepping. That is not what I think he meant. Another attempt at selfdefense at 164.

I am sorry you disagree but none of anything I have posted is "scummy"

and you are correct I didn't care at that point in the game but that isn't scummy. it's day 1, we haven't even hit the first 24 hours yet and I wanted to see more people post. There wasn't anything posted in the first 4/5 pages that I had seen that made me want to cast a serious vote.

I wanted more people to post so I had actual content to read and analyze.

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unvote

didn't kno it was l-1, still think ur scummy

mod we need a votecount pls

you didn't see me tell RC that I had 5 votes on me just a couple posts before you voted?

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@ww
lmao we are 8 pages in m8 there is enough content to read and analyze, all you've been doing is talking about some rando videogame and defending yourself. i still think ur scummy i just unvoted because im waiting on a votecount

@mod can we pls have a votecount. also the yellow text ur using is impossible to read on mafsepia, can u change the color

and that's what I have done now that I got to a computer. You forget that when the game took off it was only page 2 and I was defending myself from a BS attack. I wasn't really scum reading bbt for his push on me but I also like to argue so when people post things about me that I know aren't true I will respond. I can carry on an argument across the pan of 20+ pages and have even on this site.

I get people wanted me to scum hunt but I really didn't feel like it at that point in time. I had just gotten home from work and I was relaxing playing a game on my phone.

I could see if we were 5 days in and I was still being productive but jesus christ we had only been going for a couple of hours at that point. There is no rush and there is also no rule that everyone must scumhunt non stop right when the game starts.

so if my play bothers anyone than go ahead and lynch me cause I am going to scum hunt when I feel like it, I am going to fluff and multi post when I feel like it, and threre will be times when I purposely don't read things until I am at a point when I am able to.

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and @bbt - I tried on my phone to find examples of me reading backwards and after about 20 minutes I gave up. Not because it's not true but because it requires me to go through every single game and comb every single post and tbh I don't really care that much to prove myself to you or to anyone. you can take my word for it or don't.

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vote: woodywoodpecker

Mod, VC is incorrect because you missed vinkah's page 1 vote on me.

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Woody: would you care to explain why you are playing so defensive? As a town usually you just have to accept that one of you are gonna die day 1 probbably, and just try and get as much information as possible even when being voted. I believe you are either scum, or at least very bad at being town. Also your name can be abbreviated to WW which can mean werewolf. Confirmed.

1. why am I so defensive? because that is how I play. I don't sit back and let people say untrue things about me.

2. yes I realize that I am going to get lynched one day, I am not new to mafia but I am not going to ever stop defending myself from things that aren't true or aren't scummy and imo nothing that has been said about me is really scummy. The closest thing people could point to is my lack of scum hunting and I already explained why I wasn't and my explanation makes sense from a logic stand point. You can disagree with my explanation but it makes sense. I don't force things and If I were to start trying to scum hunt on page 2/3 I would have been forcing it.

3.

p.edit - cause that's how I am in real life and it translates into my gameplay. When somebody says something about me that isn't true I am going to speak up. Just cause I don't care about being lynched doesn't mean I am going to lie down and take it.

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I just did.

work on your reading comprehension please

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well you intentionally misrepped one of my posts and when I pointed it out you didn't even admit your mistake and that is supper scummy so now when my answer to his question is literally right about your post, I'm not going to be nice about it.

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I was not posting just to post so I could "try to be active"

most of my posts were game related and me responding to accusations or answering questions. My posts this evening came from me reading the thread and asking questions.

p.edit - @ bulb - I already pointed out your misrepand it's too late to apologize now.

@banakai - why?

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if

its one, it is probably blue

I'm saying IF there's 1 scum between us like he said, it would be him. He said 1 or none.

Learn to read please

You do not think he is scum for attacking you with weak and bad reasons?

and you even asked me a question after I clarified it which proves to me you saw it and didn't acknowledge it. You did try and change the topic though.

and to answer that question you asked cause I don't remember if I did or not, normally i'd say yes but in a game recently I went balls to the walls attacking a player for attacking me for bad reasons and I death tunneled him and he flipped town pr. So just cause somebody makes bad arguments, doesn't mean they are actually scum. BBT's play this game reminds me of KK's play in that game so at least for early day 1 I give him a probably not scum nod.

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i'm going to bed and tomorrow is a busy day for me which I am sure somebody will twist that into i'm lurkng, so i'll go ahead and save you the time.

I'm a villager, this wagon on me is dumb and every single reason is absolute shit. Not a single alignment indicative reason in the bunch and just things that boil down to laziness and personal playstyle

it's hard to get strong scum reads this early but for sure bulb for intentionally misrepping my post. I see no reason why he would do that if he were town, especially after I pointed it out he didn't admit he made a mistake. I feel a townie would have.

Gut says absta but don't really know why

no clue really on anyone else

good night

p.edit - no they aren't but whatever

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goddamnit why did u claim we're not even 12 hours into day 1 lol

Cause I was at l-2 and you said you were going to vote me once you saw a vc, which means I'd be gone while sitting at l-1 and since I've seen people get hammered without claims before I didn't want to take any chances.

So while technically I was at l-2, your implied statement saying you WOULD be voting me once you saw a vc meant I was at l-1 and you claim at l-1

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His anti-town behaviour

No anti-town behavior from me. Nice try though. Claiming at l-1 or essentially being at l-1 when you aren't going to be around for an extended period of time is good town play.

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all you've been doing is talking about some rando videogame and defending yourself.

Just want to point something out btw

I think I had like 4 posts about the game. It only got brought up cause it was relevant. Only 1 post about it wasn't relevant so who really cares.

The rest of my posts defending myself, I don't understand why you have an issue with those. Thas how you play the game you attack people and defend yourself from attacks. So you admit a majority of my posts are me playing the game. Why is that scummy again? Oh right. .. it's not.

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Why is Absta pinging you? If he is, why are you not voting for him?

Idk really, when I read his posts something felt off. Can't really explain a gut read. I'm not voting cause my gut read wasn't strong enough to place a vote. I wanted to see more content from him and others, plus I wanted to thoroughly read the thread first.

Upon closer inspection it appears that Woody can't decide what he did/didn't do.

This is so BS. I hadn't gone back and read so I didn't notice he had votes. You can try and twist it however but the fact remains that I just hadn't read back to that page yet.

The other thing that I really don't like is his 'stay with current discussion' comment. The current discussion at that time was ongoing games...what did he expect to gain from that? Once he saw that the discussion was about ongoings why would he a) not read back to see how that topic come up or b) read back to see if there was anything he missed that he could actually comment on and change the current discussion to something useful?

I didn't expect to gain anything from it actually. The topic came up just a couple of posts before your response so I was able to see how it came up. It wasn't on another page like the votes for haschel were.

Quite frankly, if someone either a) doesn't care enough to read the whole thread to gain context or b) quite regularly misses things (convenient play-style for scum, no?) then I don't particularly want them around even if they're town.

Burden is on you to prove that is what you do. That's still not the main issue though.

Actually I don't have to prove anything, you either believe me or dont. It is a main issue cause you made it one. You can't even explain why scum would only do something like that and not town. You can't even explain why it's scummy because it isnt. Congratulations you caught me on a day I was being a little lazy when the game was at a point where a little laziness is acceptable. If this was 5 days in and I was still doing it you could have a point but being lazy on page 2? Gtfoh


Later

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You are tunneling but there's nothing wrong with that. You just are tunneling on town for things that aren't scummy. You aren't doing yourself any favors thought cause when I flip town some negative attention will be heading your way and rightfully so..

Pedit - its scummy cause I'm scum? :faceplam:

That literally makes no sense. 1. For that to be true you have to 100% know my alignment and you don't. 2. I'm not scum so "its scummy cause I'm scum" doesn't work.

I still think you are dumb town but now I 100% hope town lynches you after I flip town. People talk about anti-town behavior, that right there is an anti-town post. You can't even put into words why these things I'm doing are scummy (cause they aren't)

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You see, when town see a wagon forming they question it. They look at the voters, who is voting, why are they voting? Who is not voting? Why aren't they voting?

Not in rvs they don't. Seriously go learn to play before you trtly and tell me how townies should act.

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I voted haschel for the sole purpose of getting an rvs wagon going. I knew it wasn't going to lead to a Lynch. The funny thing is all of a sudden you take issues with an rvs wagon yet you were trying to get one formed.

There's no way you honestly thought haschel was at risk for getting lynched so everything you just said in post 222 is horseshit.

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No they don't, just cause you say they do doesn't make it true

And I don't care about "looking" town cause I am town. You deserve to have your play insulted cause its been horrible. You have made 1 good post and that one just happened in post 229

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Pedit - its scummy cause I'm scum? :faceplam:

It's scummy because your actions are not those of a townie. I feel I have explained this sufficiently.

But they are cause I'm town. So no you haven't explained anything

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WoodyWoodpecker, what do you currently think about redFF's and absta101's line of attack on you?

Do you feel it has some basis of truth to it, or is it all miss-reps?

No one is a closed case. I need to hear your side.

I think blue makes a good point in his recent post about absta. I'll have to re-read red later

P.edit - cause you are playing like I did in merry mafia

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You didn't know it wasn't going to lead to a lynch. You simply cannot know that.

Yes I can know that because he wasn't getting voted for actual reasons. People aren't just going to Lynch somebody in rvs without actual reasons.

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My reservation remains that townies can be anti-town too. The WoodyWoodpecker wagon feels too easy to be scum-lynch.

Except I haven't really done anything anti-town

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P.edit - cause you are playing like I did in merry mafia

But you're not me so I fail to see how that is relevant.

PEdit - Are you saying you have never seen someone get hammered on p1?

No I'm not you but your play is similar and I don't think scum would draw attention like that.

And I don't think I have seen anyone get hammered in day 1 before

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Ok gotta go, see y'all tomorrow

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Sorry guys but I noticed boonskiies replaced in and I have vowed to never play with him again. I could have sworn he said the same about me so I'm surprised he replaced in but whatever.

Go ahead and hate on me and insult me some more like banakai did. (BTW banakai I'm not an idiot, so FU)

mod please replace me, unless the off chance you will find a different replacement for whoever boon replaced

Later

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sorry I had to replace out. sucks to see town lost. finally finished swordingo lol