Newbie 1633: The Daily Show-A Retrospective - GAME OVER

[YurikoJasmine]

vote: BBT

[YurikoJasmine]

vote: zerosummer

for not voting

[YurikoJasmine]

i thought if you name a vote a pressure vote the pressure is not there anymore

@zerosummer

, what's your view on bbt pushing people to vote you?

[YurikoJasmine]

Yuri, what do YOU think about me trying to get people to vote for Zero?

I think it's pretty null. I know town you does it all the time early game but meta aside its not really alignment indicative

[YurikoJasmine]

Let's not hammer until the two of us get to say something (or get replaced)
That said,

Zero please speak for yourself. Who do you think is scum and why do you think there's so many votes on your head?

[YurikoJasmine]

@direfire:

your vote and activity has pretty much been naked too how is it different?

[YurikoJasmine]

30 is good but 32 not

[YurikoJasmine]

Really? Putting someone at l-1 because of RV?

[YurikoJasmine]

You know if you were voting for a reason there's no need for you to name it RV. The only reason you should do so is because you know your reason sucks so you cover it up with a "RV" label should people ask about it in later games. And now when people frown on you you quickly defend your vote like he's your scumread all along.

vote: necargoface

[YurikoJasmine]

Anyone planning on stating intent to hammer?

Just to be clear, that is not a vote, but an intent to vote.

Nope

[YurikoJasmine]

I disagree with the content/ mindset towards RV in 68 but it looks pretty town motivated to me

[YurikoJasmine]

unvote:

unvote tag fixed so the automatic vote counter will recognize it -f

[YurikoJasmine]

Why not?

1) honest hasn't posted anything of content and I'd rather see something from him than have him dead now
2) I'm against policy lynch
3) it's too early d1 to lynch anyone yet imo

[YurikoJasmine]

Not to mention he's VERY null to me now

[YurikoJasmine]

No-one said anything about hammering.

I do not wish to state intent to hammer unless I do intent to hammer

[YurikoJasmine]

@Draynth @Yuriko

If Honest were not at L-1, would you cast a vote for him?

No. Not by the one post that he posted

[YurikoJasmine]

However his recent posts look bad. Can't decide if it's newbtown bad or scum bad

[YurikoJasmine]

unvote:

in case it isn't counted already
Will re-read later

[YurikoJasmine]

The two of us referred to the two people that hadn't post/ were inactive.

As for other things will address tomorrow

[YurikoJasmine]

If Yuriko and Necargo are both Mafia then we should lynch Necargo first anyway.

What suggested we are mafia together instead of town v mafia or town v town and why should we lynch necargoface first if we were mafia together?

[YurikoJasmine]

I'm bad at English; it doesn't make me scum. If you have worries you can always ask me to clarify on specific points. But your question will have to be pretty specific for me to understand what exactly you are asking about

[YurikoJasmine]

The two of us referred to the two people that hadn't post/ were inactive.

I'm sorry, can you clarify which two people you are talking about?

I understand English is not your first language Yuri, that is not my problem with your post though. It's the language you chose to use.

Can you answer the above with specific player names please?

how is my choice of words not related to my language skills? do you think I would deliberately choose (scmmily) "generic" words to arouse attention?

Marklin and Axwell, who haven't posted all along. I didn't want to end d1 without everyone at least saying something. Why choose to ask this now?

[YurikoJasmine]

I barely realized that mansonP has already been replaced. his replacement came in, drop a word and then going away. he's cherry-picking people to comment on, saying i'm not of use and conveniently commented on necargo's "RV" which was already much discussed, while not adding anything to it. Even worse, he's gone. As if I would need more reasons to vote him.

vote: dwlee

p.s. it's really ironic that he complained about people not posting while he himself has disappeared

[YurikoJasmine]

Wtf did he just called my vote OMGUS why is there not more votes on him

[YurikoJasmine]

@bbt:

I don't understand why if you had no problem understanding me last game you would have a problem understanding me this game

And when I said us I meant to say "all of the players" but it was a bad choice of words
And I'm mostly playing on my phone this game, not sure if it would have mattered

@direfire:

because he totally ignored my case on him

[YurikoJasmine]

Her post #111 isn't particularly convincing when she claimed she was referring to people that had not posted or were inactive. She herself has been quite active since the beginning of the game (posts 5, 8, 21, 28, 29, 34, 48, 54, 60, 70, 71, 72, 73, 97, 98, 99, 101, 111, 113, 135, 143, 143, 144, 149 and 157)

how is it not convincing and who do you think i was/ were referring to if i were not referring to you two/ me being active does not rule out me caring about people who are not/

@bbt: you're the one who talked about my language, i offered a reason for it. you can choose not to buy it but that's the one and only reason I can think of and if that's the reason you think i'm scum, /meh. you're a good player but you always keep misreading me.

[YurikoJasmine]

I meant "the two people (mark and axel) out of us (everyone)" you genius. As if I would every make such stupid mistake to scum-claim myself.

What change of story are you talking about

[YurikoJasmine]

I admit I should have said "two out of us" instead of "two of us" but it's obviously a typo

[YurikoJasmine]

I concur that the "us" thing is a minor/negligible issue, but there is more than enough reasoning outside of it for Yuriko to be lynched

Such as? I don't recall you saying anything except that I "didn't say anything of use" or sth like that

[YurikoJasmine]

Nvm I mixed you up with the other replacement since I only skimmed on my phone. Will get home in a few hours and do a proper re read as promised

[YurikoJasmine]

I meant "the two people (mark and axel) out of us (everyone)" you genius. As if I would every make such stupid mistake to scum-claim myself.

What change of story are you talking about

Calling someone stupid extremely sarcastically, what a town-read I get from that. :O

is ^this supposed to be read as sarcasm coz I don't get the feeling that you're town reading me but I don't see how my post above is scummy in any way.

do you think all the people on my wagon are town? If I were scum, who is the other scum in your opinion?

[YurikoJasmine]

and-- why is my vote on you OMGUS while yours is not?

[YurikoJasmine]

It is less likely that town will quit because they are not winning than scum though.

all four newbies have been replaced (/meh). They can't all be scum, so your post is basically void unless you can come up with a way to distinguish the four replacements

[YurikoJasmine]

@mod:

VC please?

I'm good with my vote.

[YurikoJasmine]

ISO time on train.

Lowercase is pretty obviously town

Necargoface pretty much responded to nothing but the issue on his "RV" (or not) on honest. This in itself is scummy. He only mentioned one (seemingly weak) town read.

Mathilda seems town in general but she's also taking the comfortable stance of "yeah Yuri is making good reasons for her scummy actions but I still scum read her anyway" which is slightly eye-brow raising. (You also didn't answer why my activity level was relevant in mentioning that two other players were inactive)

Gratuitous's standpoint on me is void. 54 was posted in 7am in the morning in which I wasn't actually awake. I went back to sleep, waking up at 11am realizing I didn't vote him. Also even if I were awake at the time 54 was made I probably would have let him explain himself first since it was his first post.

Dwlee came in complaining about the "low post rate" on ms and "completely forgets" he was playing. Accusing me of OMGUSing him instead of defending himself or actually scum hunting makes him scummy as hell. He then quoted an irrelevant post judging why lowercase was scum reading him for OMGUSing me, accusing that I OMGUS'd him.

My views on the five replacements. I'm almost at my office so that's it. Also sorry for saying there were four newbies, there are actually five newbies. But my point is the same that since all of them are replaced they can't all be scum.

My vote is happy at where it is now, and the most probably scum team is dwlee and necargoface so far before I ISO the other three more expedited player. I think BBT is null-townish by impression, but I can't recall anything from dier and dray. Will hopefully check later today.

[YurikoJasmine]

** I onviously meant to say the three more experienced players

[YurikoJasmine]

My read on grat is a null read for now.

Quoting mathilda's post was just by sake of convenience as I didn't want to roll back on my phone to find lowercase's post. Plus I (mistakenly) thought mathilda was also buying his (lowercase's) idea

[YurikoJasmine]

Re: bbt being a good player

I think I heard it from someone else? Not very sure. The last game we played went fine until you went nuts on me late game. You had an aggressive play style that people need time to adjust to, but your early to middle game was good I think.

Do you not consider yourself a good player? And
Why would that matter to you on reading me?

[YurikoJasmine]

And how are you going to judge that

[YurikoJasmine]

What, saying you're a good player or asking that question

[YurikoJasmine]

My only basis was my last game with you and probably what I hear from other players (which are probably also from the same game)

Look, my good player comment was mostly to state your view and push on me was wrong. Plus you ARE better than the bunch of newbies over here.

[YurikoJasmine]

Probably because I'm not good I think you are. I don't think it's worth arguing since I wasn't trying to please you in any way.

Yes I said "always" as in "you have been misreading me so far everytime we meet". We only have one complete game.i might have exaggerated a bit.

[YurikoJasmine]

That replacement is so fishy it stings.

Dwlee, really? You're gonna sit there play the "I'm innocent why are you voting me :/" game? When are you actually going to catch up and start scumhunting? You are obviously just prodoging ever since you got in.

Lowercase why wait? Why not vote him now?

[YurikoJasmine]

Re: 267

You said I am not scum together with dwlee in 223, but you put him and I as your only scum read. Have you changed your mind or what

If you haven't, name the most probable person(s) that are scum with 1) dwlee and 2) me

[YurikoJasmine]

^total AtE

[YurikoJasmine]

Plus the way Mathilda puts the scum assumption forward, though she scum reads dwlee and necargoface strucks me a bit

[YurikoJasmine]

I'm just pretty amused by the fact that you put the scum assumption before the town assumption

Also you do realize stating willingness to vote dwlee only is quite a safe harbor given he's at l-1 with lowercase stated his intent to hammer already

[YurikoJasmine]

There's a question mark missing in that last sentence

[YurikoJasmine]

And the more you ask me to not think about it [p-edit: that if you get lynched dire should get lynched] the more I'm thinking about it and it makes you look worse and worse. Will have to go back and review my views on you. The fact that once the dwlee lynch went almost certain you start to relax and sit back makes me super uneasy. Then go the paranoid "if I get lynched" statement when no one except dire was pushing you.

P-edit: that's not my point. My point is that once it got likely that dwlee would be lunch you sit back and enjoy yourself. If necargoface isn't your scumread now who is?

[YurikoJasmine]

And why does it matter more than actually scumhunting?

[YurikoJasmine]

@Yuriko #269: I still believe what I said in #223 about you & dwlee being unaligned. I generally haven't had much luck with team-hunting in the past, so will decline to attempt it at this moment.

And so although you think I'm not scum together with dwlee you scumread both of us?

[YurikoJasmine]

...And town read everyone else?

My question is basically "if only one of dwlee/ myself is scum, there must be at least a third person is scum. Who is him/ are they?"

[YurikoJasmine]

And why does it matter more than actually scumhunting?

I did scumhunt, you're the scum. >.<

/meh is this newb or what

Ok, ASSUME I did OMGUS you (which I didn't but just assume so for the sake of argument here)
Is this the only reason you think I am scum?
if I were scum, who is the other scum and why?

[YurikoJasmine]

He's certainly dying today; might as well get some associate tells.

[YurikoJasmine]

@dwlee:

are you willing to die for this gut feeling

The point of town is to find scum no matter what and
I don't think you understand this game. I suggest you join more newbie games in the future

[YurikoJasmine]

I do realize that. What I'm pointing out is that you clearly are not playing to your win con if you were town

[YurikoJasmine]

In fact, you aren't playing to your win con either if you were scum :/

Well at least if you flip scum no one can tell who you are scum with

[YurikoJasmine]

Sorry, drag what out?

I assum you still maintain your intent to hammer?

[YurikoJasmine]

What about me asking him why not vote then? Imo it's kind of fishy if you don't want to put ppl to l-1 but only want to hammer them instead.

(But wanting to do that in your head and actually saying it out loud is somehow different I'm afraid.) <-- which means that lowercase's post is less fishy in a WIFOM-kind of way

[YurikoJasmine]

Alright. You know when ppl just say "this" and nothing it's hard to understand what they actually mean.

[YurikoJasmine]

And I don't think dwlee will answer you question since he refused to answer mine. It's quite a dragful day one to be honest.

[YurikoJasmine]

Bbt, do you have an alternative lynch?

[YurikoJasmine]

OK, so now we're in agreement that I DO have a direction?

No, I don't think you are seriously pursuing either angle. You just want to wait around to see if anything happens.

And it's bad because...?

[YurikoJasmine]

What does it depend on to decide an alternative lynch? (Or more specifically, to lynch me?)

[YurikoJasmine]

Shit I thought when you said "I might do Yuri" meant you might consider lynching me and I got ultimately confused. :/

in that case what does it depend on to decide an alternative lynch?

[YurikoJasmine]

You know in Asian culture to "do" someone means to kill him

[YurikoJasmine]

I have to disagree. As long as we do lynch in the end I think more wagons = more reads/ associated reads

But I agree there's the risk of not being able to lynch because of insufficient activity. We already know two ppl are on v/la I believe.

[YurikoJasmine]

How confident are we that we can reach a lynch with (possibly) 7ppl?

I can easily go with necargoface. Others, I need to check

[YurikoJasmine]

But really when it comes to it, it might be another dreadful day with dwlee alive tunneling and refusing to scumhunt all over again

[YurikoJasmine]

Let's see what he says.

Should I take that as you intending to keep him alive or to see what he has to say in two days?

@mathilda:

in Chinese we call that to "eat" someone

Is that all you have to say? After all these you decided to reply to my off-topic statement?

[YurikoJasmine]

@mathilda: no, but I'd like to hear from you re: alternative lynch

[YurikoJasmine]

Huh? Can you define active lurking for me?

Can you tell me what else you look for when trying to find scum other than active lurking?

Active lurking is making posts that don't have any substance to make yourself seem active. I already said though, I mostly go off my gut. It just picks up on stuff.

do you think you are demonstrating active lurking?

[YurikoJasmine]

^second this. Where are they?

[YurikoJasmine]

Checking in. On my way home after two exhausting days. Will probably read and think tmr.

[YurikoJasmine]

Still reading (on phone) but

vote: Mathilda

IIoA since D2. After reading her post which contains many thoughts and direction in quite lost at where her position is. Plus her wall of vote count with exactly no elaboration on it.

(Will try to re-read D1 before weekend)

[YurikoJasmine]

**I'm quite lost

[YurikoJasmine]

That's what I meant with IIoA (information instead of analysis). It's not meaningful unless you have some analysis, which you don't.

[YurikoJasmine]

Dray: I don't know, I'm not good at VCA. Will try to think about this one overnight

[YurikoJasmine]

in 410 it feels like your hitting around. It's a lot of information, not much analysis.
All posts before then were pure info. I'm ok if you post info and analysis separately, but now it looks like you're only doing the second part because I'm poking you.

@BBT:

any thoughts?

[YurikoJasmine]

Or for that matter, if he completely forgot that he was playing this game, maybe he completely forgot who his scum buddy was!

That is (sadly) possible. Even if he remembered who the buddy was he barely left behind any associations.

unvote:

as I start to see analysis and scumhunting.

@bbt: any reason why dray over LC?

[YurikoJasmine]

@mathilda: I assume you meant dray is suspicious?

P-edit: actually I can barely recall anything he did D1

[YurikoJasmine]

Let me check

[YurikoJasmine]

mostly tl;dr on phone, but I don't see anything that reminds me of him in D1... Like if he said anything I put into my mind I should be able to catch it in ISO even skimming on phone

I could imagine scum would rather lay low given dwlee was already instantly cornered since he started

Right now I'm more concerned about LC's silence though. That's not like him

[YurikoJasmine]

V/LA this weekend.

[YurikoJasmine]

extend V/LA till tomorrow

But there's nothing much for me to comment on anyway

[YurikoJasmine]

Had time to skim, no time to process. Will do so tomorrow morning on my way to work.

[YurikoJasmine]

vote: dray

realist based entirely on wagon although many other stuff is present in D1 and D2. Also laid very low in D1 and pop up with reads everywhere in D2 looks like testing water for lynch wagon.

[YurikoJasmine]

I can't believe I actually hammered dray i somehow thought we were still in day 1 and I put him on L-1...... Shit. And now we lost our doctor.

I'm on V/LA till 24 August.

I'll do rereading sand ISO when I get home in hopefully a few hours, and after giving some thoughts I'll be out of town.

[YurikoJasmine]

finally got back to home, probably no time to do iso, but will read the post. i'm interested in hearing what bbt has to say, as he remains my most solid town read so far

[YurikoJasmine]

I could talk all day about how Grat's day one positioning was bad. How his day 2 play was also pretty bad, being practically non-existent and all. But I'll wait until someone asks me about that.

ask about what

[YurikoJasmine]

Prodoge. Just got back and unpacking. Skimming impression shows unflavourable results towards shadow and LC, but not voting until I actually sit down and read.

[YurikoJasmine]

i second the intention to hammer after reading shadow's iso.

458 plus 492 and 490 are soo bad. 458 is testing the water for bbt lynch and while not supported, totally switched to no i'm not looking for a lynch. 490 is leading lc to say bad things towards bbt that lc was not saying in his original post.

shadow, how is it that you suddenly find lc scummier than grat and why do you expect grat would want a claim from you while obviously it's meaningless to claim at this moment?

[YurikoJasmine]

Not a surprising NK at all. Gotta read again, but probably not happening until tomorrow. Both you and LC are scummy from what I recall, but since only one of you is scum I'll try running a scenario analysis by the time I actually sit down and re-read.

[YurikoJasmine]

@grat: why would you expect LC to vote you if he is scum? That would basically make him conf!scum since no one would hammer? Or you think Im more likely to vote you against him?

[YurikoJasmine]

You two are absolutely silly

vote: LC

[YurikoJasmine]

Everyone's gonna hate me for winning this one.

[YurikoJasmine]

What does that word mean

[YurikoJasmine]

Right, thought it was but couldn't Google on phone

[YurikoJasmine]

A quick survey-- how many of you wvtu thought dwlee was scum?

[YurikoJasmine]

**actually thought

[YurikoJasmine]

Btw I thought doctors can't protect themselves

[YurikoJasmine]

Wow I actually typed that on my phone

[YurikoJasmine]

And it got eaten

[YurikoJasmine]

As scum I would very much have enjoyed the last day should the lynch not happened so early and we got to actually do all the scenario analysis and stuff, but it would have been playing against my win con should I not have hammered.

Also, it was 100% real V/LA and I pretty much did play 90% like how I would have played as town. I practically drove dwlee' wagon as I would have as town, but I would say it's pretty much his reaction towards it that got him the lynch.

LC please never vote in LYLO like that, unless you are 100% sure that person is scum (which I feel that you're not)

BBT it's such a pity we're not on the same side! I really look forward to playing a game with you that we're on the same team. I'm interested in your reads stated in the death thread. As I said I only killed you so late coz I'm afraid the doctor will doc you.

Dire and dray sorry for putting you out the game so soon. Look forward to playing with you in the future.

Mathilda your vote count thing is really annoying as I play with my phone. If you must do it, consider putting it in spoiler tags (the ones with the equal sign)

Shadow I think it's mostly the attitude that matters when it comes to late game. If you give up on the game, people are gonna give up on you.

Never had much interaction with grat, was looking forward to it last day but it ended early so see you next game!

@newbies: thanks for the game and hope you enjoyed mafiascum!

[YurikoJasmine]

No I didn't slip! I'd never make that kind of mistake. I literally meant what I explained earlier

[YurikoJasmine]

Someone answer dwlee before he screw his next game. I don't know how to put it.

[YurikoJasmine]

I'm also going to pretend that my bad play won us the game. 100%

Don't you mean your excellent and intentionally deceiving play?

that's a good one. you should totally come and be our Chief Executive.

[YurikoJasmine]

Not this one. It's a political disaster