Newbie 1633: The Daily Show-A Retrospective - GAME OVER

[Dwlee99]

Also welcome Dwlee!

Thanks.

Anyway though, based on what I've read yuriko seems a bit suspicious to me because they haven't posted anything of much use. Other than that necargo is stating RVs when they're not that as his reasons later stated.

[Dwlee99]

Do people on mafia scum not post as much? I'm used to constant talk on forums I normally play mafia on..

[Dwlee99]

I barely realized that mansonP has already been replaced. his replacement came in, drop a word and then going away. he's cherry-picking people to comment on, saying i'm not of use and conveniently commented on necargo's "RV" which was already much discussed, while not adding anything to it. Even worse, he's gone. As if I would need more reasons to vote him.

vote: dwlee

p.s. it's really ironic that he complained about people not posting while he himself has disappeared

I just realized the thread existed. Completely forgot I was playing, sorry.

And my name is DW Lee but it's pronounced Dwee Lee, forgot who asked it.

And what did you expect me to add on to necargo's "RV"? I thought it was interesting and decided I would mention it, I'm not that good at reads so I just point out everything I see. You just OMGUS'ing me is interesting, I might add.

[Dwlee99]

Btw, I didn't vote zerosummer, so idk why it's there on the vote count..

[Dwlee99]

Anyway, I still feel as though you might have some more detailed thoughts to share with us.

(Sorry about mutliple posts)

Scum reads:

Necargo (That rv thing just bugs me, idk why)
Yuriko (Doesn't make much contribution and then OMGUS'd me)

Town Reads:

Dier (Active meaningful discussion)
BlueBlooded (Same thing)

I'm not too good at town reads, but those two people seem townie to me. Don't know what to look for in town reads, other than what I found.

[Dwlee99]

Wtf did he just called my vote OMGUS why is there not more votes on him

Because your vote was an OMGUS. I called you suspicious and you attacked me.

@Dier thanks for telling me about that.
UNVOTE: Zerosummer

VOTE: YurikoJasmine

[Dwlee99]

I meant "the two people (mark and axel) out of us (everyone)" you genius. As if I would every make such stupid mistake to scum-claim myself.

What change of story are you talking about

Calling someone stupid extremely sarcastically, what a town-read I get from that. :O

[Dwlee99]

First off, I've cooled off on the Gratuitous thing. More because I'm starting to see that dwlee is ridiculously scummy than anything else.

For the record though, the things Mathilda says would suggest that scum are the least likely to replace out and that PR's may be more likely to replace out than VT's. In actual fact scum are most likely to replace out and PR's are least likely. I would guess the reason for the difference between scum and town is that the two factions are essentially playing entirely different games. For town it's a game about figuring out what's going on, whereas for scum it's about deception. My central argument is that ZS replaced out instead of giving a reads list like he promised.

For town, all you need to do to give a reads list is put down whatever thoughts you have about each player. You don't need to be clever or insightful, really. Anything you put comes from a place of authenticity pretty much by default.

As scum, your reads are complete lies that you need to justify with BS. Then there's the added pressure that people will try to see if the reads are authentic, which you know they are not.

If the replace out was related to difficulty giving reads, which it looks like it was, then it makes way more sense from scum. That is the point I'm making; you don't have to buy it.

On another note, what do people think about dwlee. Imo, pretty poor posting and not a lot of it.

Explain how I'm more scummy than yuri, they totally OMGUS'd me.

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee: Yuriko did not OMGUS you, you OMGUS'd her.

Your opening post suggests you should be posting more, but all you've done is come up with a flimsy reason to attack the slot everyone else was complaining about.

You just prod dodged with a post that was both a misread and would have been irrelevant even if it wasn't. (She wasn't saying anyone was stupid; it wouldn't matter if she had been).

@Draynth: Maybe it was because I wasn't reading it as it happened, but I had assumed honest was not RV'ing myself. I don't think his post quality is as bad as you make it out to be.

I called them suspicious and they voted me. That's OMGUSing..

[Dwlee99]

I don't understand this lynch train on me. I've gotten mostly "null" reads on most people here and laid out who I think are scum and my town reads. I don't know what more people want of me.

[Dwlee99]

Usually, I don't think replacing out is alignment indicative but I

really

don't like the timing of that one.

I knew you'd come around someday. Also I agree that that was pretty bad timing.

In response to your questions in 235:

I don't feel like [some post] fits in with [some other post]. Is your read changing on Yuri? If so, why?

My main gripe with Yuri early on was a combination of the 'RV' push and the post in which she asked ZS 'why do you think people are voting you?' The first because it was a silly reason and the second because it was a silly question. Had she continued doing things I thought were silly wastes of time I would have scum-read her more strongly, but she didn't. The only other thing I thought was worth mentioning was that her lee vote seemed like an attempt to redirect attention, but that was a meh reason even when I pointed it out.

The other things she did make about as much sense as either alignment, so I see why scum would do them, but I don't really see why town wouldn't.

Wording has caught my attention here; can you also see Yuri doing those things as town?

Yes? The thing you're pointing out is not a wording issue. You correctly understood what I was saying there.

No, what you're doing is speculating on why Zero replaced out and then using your speculation as reasoning for why that slot is scum.

I doubt you have a better way of finding scum day one than speculating reasons as to why person X did thing Y.


@dwlee: ftr, OMGUS is voting someone

because

they voted/suspected you. Had she voted you shortly after your first post or cited your suspicion as a reason, you might be correct in stating that she OMGUS'd you.

Once dwlee reaches L-1 I'll declare intent to hammer.

Omgus'ing is when you vote for someone suspecting you. It's not always voting because someone else voted.

[Dwlee99]

And why does it matter more than actually scumhunting?

I did scumhunt, you're the scum. >.<

[Dwlee99]

@Yuri:

At this point we know that dwlee is tunneling on you as scum, and isn't providing much more information. What do you hope to gain from continuing to humor him and keeping in this cycle of no information?

It also appears that dwlee is showing large amounts of confbias towards Yuri, which points to one of two options IMO:
1) He's newbscum who knows Yuri is town and is trying to get an early kill in on somebody who drew a lot of suspicion
2) He's town that tunnels, regardless of alignment.

@dwlee:

We know there's 2 scum, so rather than get hung up on what may or may not have been an OMGUS vote, why don't you provide more in-depth reasoning on why you think Yuri is scum, and also who you think the other scum may be? Also, do you have other games, specifically where you're town, that you could point us towards to see if you tunnel like this regularly?

P-Edit:

Looks like Yuri beat me to the punch on some of my points.

I'm tunneling yuri because I have no other leads, I just have a gut feeling yuri is scum. I have no clue right now who the other scum is and that's why I'm focusing on Yuri. And no, I don't have any other game. This is my only game on here that wasn't marathon (which mostly is quickly saying what your role did and sometimes random votes).

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee:

are you willing to die for this gut feeling

The point of town is to find scum no matter what and
I don't think you understand this game. I suggest you join more newbie games in the future

Yea, I fricken am. And this is a newbie game. I specifically went to the newbie queue section. -_-

[Dwlee99]

In fact, you aren't playing to your win con either if you were scum :/

Well at least if you flip scum no one can tell who you are scum with

I'm playing to the win con of killing scum, starting with you. -.-

[Dwlee99]

I'm tunneling yuri because I have no other leads, I just have a gut feeling yuri is scum. I have no clue right now who the other scum is and that's why I'm focusing on Yuri. And no, I don't have any other game. This is my only game on here that wasn't marathon (which mostly is quickly saying what your role did and sometimes random votes).

Lee, can you tell me what you usually look for when you're trying to find scum?

I go off gut feelings mainly. Works decently well. I just get feelings of like "This person is acting suspicious to me" etc.

[Dwlee99]

OK Lee, but your gut must work on something.

Tell me, what does 'acting suspicious' look like?

Active lurking comes to mind. My gut feelings are very situational, so eh.

[Dwlee99]

Mathilda, do you think the threat of a hammer was imminent? Because I do.

Lee, anything more than active lurking? What does active lurking look like to you?

It's either a townie who is new and inexperienced or scum.

[Dwlee99]

Huh? Can you define active lurking for me?

Can you tell me what else you look for when trying to find scum other than active lurking?

Active lurking is making posts that don't have any substance to make yourself seem active. I already said though, I mostly go off my gut. It just picks up on stuff.

[Dwlee99]

Ok, then. I want dwlee to claim. I would also like shaddowez and gratuitous to respond if at all possible before day's end.

I'm vanilla townie.

[Dwlee99]

Lee, that also means you have about 3 hours to post any insight you might have on recent discussion.

Evil peeps:
1. Yuri
2. Necargo (This isn't a strong read)

I had a third but I forget now.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Lee

Even if he is town, he is lynch bait further down the line.

Weak reason to lynch me.

[Dwlee99]

I agree but it's too late to do anything else.

I fully expect you to flip town.

If you think I'm going to flip town why would you vote for me?..

[Dwlee99]

@LC - I'm not voting Grat.

@Lee - Because your scum hunting skills are lacking and because you're a hindrance to the town. I advise that you keep up with the game so you can learn how other people scum hunt and then you won't be relying on gut.

I know how to scum hunt. But I don't have a list of stuff I look for. When I see something I can just tell whether it's scummy or not. Just because I don't keep a list of things to look for doesn't mean I'm bad at the game. -_-

[Dwlee99]

You have got to be kidding me. I was nail on the head D1.

hehehehe


Btw yuri, you're lynch on me was not needed at all, just saying. You were the only one who found my posts so extremely scummy because you knew I was. xD

[Dwlee99]

As scum I would very much have enjoyed the last day should the lynch not happened so early and we got to actually do all the scenario analysis and stuff, but it would have been playing against my win con should I not have hammered.

Also, it was 100% real V/LA and I pretty much did play 90% like how I would have played as town. I practically drove dwlee' wagon as I would have as town, but I would say it's pretty much his reaction towards it that got him the lynch.

LC please never vote in LYLO like that, unless you are 100% sure that person is scum (which I feel that you're not)

BBT it's such a pity we're not on the same side! I really look forward to playing a game with you that we're on the same team. I'm interested in your reads stated in the death thread. As I said I only killed you so late coz I'm afraid the doctor will doc you.

Dire and dray sorry for putting you out the game so soon. Look forward to playing with you in the future.

Mathilda your vote count thing is really annoying as I play with my phone. If you must do it, consider putting it in spoiler tags (the ones with the equal sign)

Shadow I think it's mostly the attitude that matters when it comes to late game. If you give up on the game, people are gonna give up on you.

Never had much interaction with grat, was looking forward to it last day but it ended early so see you next game!

@newbies: thanks for the game and hope you enjoyed mafiascum!

I still don't understand why your vote on me wasn't OMGUS. I called you suspicious. You voted for me after that. OMGUS. It doesn't have to be vote for vote it can be FoS for vote.

[Dwlee99]

I was really under the impression it didn't have to be a vote. I thougt it was like "You think I'm suspicious so you're suspicious!" hmm

[Dwlee99]

I'm also going to pretend that my bad play won us the game. 100%