Mini 1724: Gameboy Advance Mafia (Abandoned)

[Davsto]

/confirm

VOTE: Vedith because you're the only person here I've completed a game with.

[Davsto]

Could we have hydra's heads signing each posts, please? Makes it so much easier to keep track of, and stops me thinking there are conflicting ideas from the same person because it makes it more clear who thinks what.

[Davsto]

We don't do sigs.

So far, all SoS posts have been ffery. GiF will be active tomorrow. Our writing styles are different enough you'll probably always know who's who.

If I ever think it's unclear who's posting and it matters, I phrase the post such that you'll know it's me.

Eh, I'll try and figure it out then. Thanks anyway!

[Davsto]

Oh, and I'm gonna say no to a mass claim and then hope the discussion of it dies with this page.

Seconding. In a game like this, massclaims are pretty useless, as far as I care.

[Davsto]

getting some bad vibes from davsto

He what way? He seems normal Dav so far.

I'm gonna take this as a compliment.

[Davsto]

Shall we massclaim?

Fonic JoaT 1-shot Cop 1-shot Jailkeeper Conditional Innocent Child.

Next.

Counter claim. I am definitely a Fonic JoaT 1-shot Cop 1-shot Jailkeeper Conditional Innocent Child.

Sadly, I'm a

Nonvoter

Fonic JoaT 1-shot Cop 1-shot Jailkeeper Conditional Innocent Child, so I can't vote you for your fakeclaim.

[Davsto]

Who the butts is Eagle?

How is this massclaim in any way useful for us? Except for, you know, letting scum know who the biggest threat is so they can be NKed.

[Davsto]

Oh well, might as well go with it.

Samus Aran, for the record.

Vigilante, but with a couple of surprises I'd rather keep away from scum's knowledge.

[Davsto]

I can see why he might not want to. I can understand hesitance in this situation. I didn't want to, but was aware that I'm new enough that other people probably know better than me for the sake of this.

[Davsto]

UNVOTE: Vedith

Not scum in my eyes at the moment.

[Davsto]

Hm, not sure how I feel about a wagon on Xtoxm.

On one hand, the massclaim, I could see why he would think it's a good idea. On the other hand , I massively dislike the way he went about it of actually voting people who don't take part.

I'll stick a scumlean on him for now, and see how I feel about future posts.

[Davsto]

So you have a scumlean on him on page 5, probably no other scum leans, he's only at 3 out of 7 votes and you feel the need to not vote?

Why? There's little reason to keep your vote on vedith and NOT vote for xtoxm.

I unvoted Vedith.

I also see his attempt at a massclaim as something he might see as good, even if he went about it in a bad way; I'm seeing this more as a small, easy excuse for scum to jump on a wagon early on, over something actually genuinely scummy.

[Davsto]

UNVOTE: Vedith

Not scum in my eyes at the moment.

[Davsto]

That's fair enough.

[Davsto]

Xtoxm and Vedith riding the easy wagon to lynching.

QFT

[Davsto]

Davsto's 110 and 112 feel slighty white-knighty to me. First, he says that he dislikes the way Xtoxm went about conducting the massclaim and sticks to a scumlean. Then he distances himself from that by saying that he sees the votes on Xtoxm as an easy and scum-driven wagon.

So which is it, Davsto? Are the folks voting for Xtoxm scummy or is Xtoxm, himself, scummy?

Both can be scummy at once.

The thing itself was scummy - yes - but not scummy enough for me to vote. The fact that people jumped on it and went "so scummy" reads as opportunism over genuine, to an extent.

[Davsto]

Using myself as an example, is it opportunist of me to say that I think massclaim is a bad idea and then to follow through with a vote on the person who perpetrated the massclaim?

Mehhh

I'm kinda conflicted on it, but I'm unsure which side of the argument is scum. I can see him, as, town, potentially thinking that massclaim is a good idea. I can think that people, as town, think it's a bad idea and vote him for it.

But there's a potential scum side to each of those - that is, rolefishing and opportunism.

I don't think anyone is

really

scum for it (hence my lack of a vote), but I'm definitely not townreading anyone for it.

[Davsto]

I'm okay with an ASP lynch early on, he's basically a huge lurker from what I've seen and I'd rather get that out of the way sooner than at LYLO and fuck up everything. Probably a good idea for a compromise lynch if we haven't decided on scum by the end of the day.

As for the vig/dayvig combination, I'm willing to believe it; wgeurts is that kinda mod, and this game was advertised as Role Madness. Presumably, we've both got some more interesting abilities on top of this to distinguish us.

The fact that Xtoxm lied about his claim when starting a massclaim is pretty damn townie, there's no way in hell any scum other than those that rely on Refuge in Audacity would start a massclaim with a lie

and then tell people it was a lie.

Scum would just stick to their fakeclaim.

[Davsto]

Davsto, why do you think we should lynch ASP instead of me? I was a even bigger lurker than him. That acvusation against him seems poor, imo.

Even bigger lurker? You had 8 posts at the time of that as opposed to the 4 that he has made.

Also, I've seen other games in which ASP has been a chronic lurker, so that's a factor too.

And, of course, at least your posts have been decent; opinions, ideas, blablablah.

ASP's four posts are...

/a new challenger is approaching!

Oh, wait, wrong system.

VOTE: SoS

Acceptable acronym?

A random vote,

Yeah, I'm not interested in this mass claim idea either. AJ appears town based on the sentiment that the mass claim is a bad idea.

VOTE: Random

A bulletproof claim seems a bit out of place, especially unaccompanied by flavor text. Hence why i don't think the claim idea is worthwhile, because they break the game.

Pedit: wait, that's nacho + sonic? Fuck my life...

A post where he says that massclaim is a bad idea and then proceeds to vote based on said massclaim,

So, a Sonic+Nacho hydra, and a GiF+ffery hydra?

A jokey reaction image,

Go away then. You've already lurked out half the deadline.

VOTE: Knuckles

Wtf was this? First the mass claim idea, now this?

@Vedith: and you followed suit? Care to give a reason why, or are you just sheeping the guy whose ideas you disagree with for no reason?

VOTE: Xtoxm

And - maybe a half-decent post - a scumread on someone for voting someone else.

Can you see why I'm much more comfortable with an ASP one than anyone else?
VOTE: A Simple Plan
Fuckit, after that I'm actually expecting him to be scum. This isn't some policy lurker vote, this is a vote because I think he's scummy.

[Davsto]

A jokey reaction image,

It's a gif I think he'd be less likely to post as scum. You disagree?

Yes, I disagree. It's a null-tell, as someone who makes jokes/posts silly gifs regardless of alignment.

Of course, alone it's a null-tell, but with the series of few, empty posts it comes with, it contributes towards the scumread.

[Davsto]

I get where you're coming from, but disagree.

[Davsto]

A jokey reaction image,

It's a gif I think he'd be less likely to post as scum. You disagree?

Yes, I disagree. It's a null-tell, as someone who makes jokes/posts silly gifs regardless of alignment.

Of course, alone it's a null-tell, but with the series of few, empty posts it comes with, it contributes towards the scumread.

Can I shoot Vedith if he doesn't check in the thread soon? Would you disagree with that shot?

Hm, idk, I'm honestly the type to let the vig make the shots themselves rather than dictating what they should do. If you think that Vedith is a good shot, go ahead.

PEdit - That was in response to the ASP thing.

[Davsto]

Actually, I'm not liking how Vedith is posting on other games but not this one. I'm not gonna go far as recommend, but I'm not gonna get all weepy if you shoot Vedith.

[Davsto]

I'm almost surprised by his prompt appearance.

[Davsto]

I'm willing to believe two vigges, as I said earlier, due to dayvig+nightvig and limitations (sorta) on both.

As for two Bulletproofs... less so, but not in an "I'm going to 1v1 them" for it kinda way - one line in my PM suggests at least one bulletproof, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were two for balancing reasons.

[Davsto]

VOTE: A Simple Plan because that's who it was on before the dayvig and basically nothing has changed since then.

[Davsto]

So.. Starbuck has been treestumped? That's... odd. We'll have to see if that was a self-stumping or if there are more malevolent forces at work.

[Davsto]

Smooth, Knuckles.

It's okay, we still love you.

[Davsto]

Hmm, odd. I targeted Vedith, but he didn't seem to have died. I don't feel like Dongempire would have blocked/redirected him, though. Curious. Very curious.

[Davsto]

I'm pretty sure he claimed bulletproof giver-outer. It seemed off.

[Davsto]

I'll vote Random or Knuckles today.
Both are scum for me. I don't understand why the town are being so blind here...

The fact that he didn't believe Nos's role but yet didn't question

my role of giving people BP vests?

He went for an easy target with a "Whoops, sorry!" response.

[Davsto]

I'm pretty sure he didn't actually claim BP though, only BP distributor. Oh well.

PEdit: shit, I missed that "I also have".

Fuck.

[Davsto]

I'm sorry guys, I fucked up. Didn't pay enough attention.

[Davsto]

Can I fullclaim now (=next post) just so people get an idea of my role? Because there are some limitations.

Also,
VOTE: Vedith. After having a night to think about it (I'm slow, okay) his role would make sense as either alignment but acts as a really effective balance to mine if he were scum, and I wasn't liking his play that much.

[Davsto]

Hmm, gonna fullclaim anyway

I'm vigilante, each night I can make a kill, regular kill, blahblahblah.

but

any night, I can choose to make a strongman kill that goes through roleblocks and Docs etc but explicitly not Bulletproof. If I use this, it means I can't use my kill the next night.
Now, doesn't scum being able to give people - i.e. their partners - sound like the perfect way to balance that so I can't just take out a whole team?

I'm not sure of my setup spec skills so idk but that seems potential from my PoV after I had a night to think about it.

[Davsto]

Fair enough, makes sense when someone competent explains it.

UNVOTE:

Can I ask why, of all of your scum pool, SoS is the one you chose to vote? You've definitely barely mentioned that.

[Davsto]

I don't think it's bastard, just slightly insane. Role madness though.

[Davsto]

That's interesting. Perhaps Dong did redirect/block you last night. Do you have any idea if you were blocked?

[Davsto]

Yup, either me or Dav is lying.
There is scum in one of us and due to my additional ability I cannot see anyone preventing my death apart from RB.

Pedit - Wouldn't it normally say that you were RB?

Nope, it wouldn't normally.

But yeh, I'm thinking now there's a good chance that Dong blocked you, since he seemed pretty off on you.

[Davsto]

RIP Dongempire.

Role PM

Yoshi's Island 3: Yoshi

Welcome Dongempire, you have drawn

Yoshi

!

Num!

During the night you can grab someone with your tongue and haul them into your mouth, thus preventing them from taking any actions and redirecting any actions targeting them to you.

Win Condition:

You win once all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game-thread can be found here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63582
I'll post there once all Role PM's are sent out and officially open the game. Once the game starts you have 2 days to post or otherwise get replaced.

Day 2 starts, any questions hit me up.

Basically.

He blocks you.

My kill redirects to him.

[Davsto]

I could have been Roleblocked, I guess? I didn't use the Strongman kill last night, for the record; I didn't want to make it impossible for me to kill tonight if I fucked up.

[Davsto]

To be fair, the two vigges -

Day vig is apparently One-Shot
My Strongman shot stops me from shooting at all, and there's a lot of Bulletproofing going on in this game to counter the fact that my Strongman shot ignores that.

[Davsto]

EBWOP - stops me from shooting at all the next night.

[Davsto]

btw Dav who is your flavour char?

I believed I mentioned it earlier, but Samus Aran.

[Davsto]

I was RBed by someone, apparently. Someone (can't remember who) said that Dong targeted Knuckles, iirc.

[Davsto]

If Dav shoots outside of the following group tonight it is a scumclaim: SOS, grapes, Starbuck

I think I know which of these I'm going for, although Starbuck is still stumped, right?

[Davsto]

I have one-shot lynch immunity and can force everyone to vote between two players.

That sounds... interesting. Is the latter a night action or day action thing?


Also, BP plus 1-Shot unlynchable? Fuck off is that balanced.

[Davsto]

random is super flaily right now.

Like, super bs claims.

VOTE: randommidget

[Davsto]

This just seems rubbish to me though, these claims are just... yeh...

Bulletproof with some lynch abilities I won't reveal yet.

I have one-shot lynch immunity and can force everyone to vote between two players.

That is becaude I lied about the bp part. I'm one shot bp and one shot reflector.

[Davsto]

You're telling me a reflector, a role that solely makes it so that investigative/protective roles do not touch the user, is town? It's almost like a self-busser.

More importantly, nothing random has done demonstrates the role should be town.

Negative utility town roles exist.

What is his scum motivation for claiming reflector?

Random's openness looks pretty pro-town to me.

Yeh, three different, inconsistent claims, super open.

[Davsto]

That's.... not answering my point. That's deflection.

[Davsto]

Like, I go "hey that's not really being open" and you go "yeh but I don't want to waste two days on him if he's scum". Those are unrelated.

Also, what the hell else do you suggest we do? How do we deal with this other than lynching the shit out of it?

[Davsto]

Remember, it's actually 1-shot BP 1-shot Reflector 1-shot unlynchable 1-shot gladiate

[Davsto]

Um, how is Fire's claim crappy but random's is fine?

[Davsto]

Okay, so you're resistant to his lynch because he claimed 1-Shot unlynchable.

Consider the possibility that's what he wants you to think?

PEdit - okay, think I'm understanding a tad more now.

[Davsto]

Exactly. Guaranteed one of them is a lie, but we don't know which one. It's WIFOM city.

[Davsto]

I'm tempted to vote Firebringer now. Thinking about it, that double vote putting me at L-1 with his full knowledge and not declaring it is horrifically scummy.

[Davsto]

Is it wrong of me if I have reasons to call everyone town

Because that's how I feel about this game right now

I'm tempted to vote Firebringer now. Thinking about it, that double vote putting me at L-1 with his full knowledge and not declaring it is horrifically scummy.

lol dav, you are so god damn scummy.

Pointing out stupid stuff and calling it scummy.
I never was trying to hide it, I just forgot to mention it.

You say that like it's a good excuse. Any old muffin could have come along and hammered with literally no idea because you didn't say. What, did you forget?
Fuckit, L-1
VOTE: Firebringer

[Davsto]

I'm fine with SoS too, although I'd rather vig them - if SoS is scum, then Fire is probably town for double voting them since scum... wouldn't do that to a partner with little pressure on them, and my other notable scumread is randomidget and there's no way in hell I'm vigging a claimed reflector. I'd like to prove my vigness, and I'm really unconfident in my ability to scumhunt.

VOTE: Sound of Silence Not sure how far this is away from lynch though.

[Davsto]

Should we bother waiting for a claim, or at this point would that be a waste of time?

[Davsto]

Yeh, I looked through SoS and can't see any sort of claim. I don't see any point in waiting, though, considering the way the roles seem to be made specifically to avoid anyone thinking that anything is a town role/scum role.

[Davsto]

Dave it'd be really cool to know who you're shooting. I don't trust your judgment frankly.

And might as well strongman because we don't really need you shooting anymore anyway, just want to confirm your role.

Entirely depends on SoS' flip. I'll ISO him if he flips scum (don't wanna do it before because confbias) and decide from that who a likely partner is, and if he flips town, probably Firebringer.

PEdit

Oh yeah, you didn't see my tape I sent to Vyse...
It had every single read I had.

???

[Davsto]

Honestly, I'm slightly considering not shooting at all tonight, if SoS flips scum and I can't find a likely partner.

[Davsto]

I'd rather not waste proving it on a target that flips town.

[Davsto]

also people with knowledge.

is bulletproof a night only ability? or would randoms BP claim have protected him from knuckles dayvig too?

Nah day vig would kill me.

Not seeing grapes scum tbh. Vedith/grapes feels like TvT, but I have a slight scum lean on vedith previously so I'll bump him back to null.
PEdit: I'm afraid I can't let you do that.

Gladiate/hook: firebringer and randomidget

eww

VOTE: randomidget

[Davsto]

Tell me the fact that he did this just as grapes was starting to get pressure was just a coincidence.

Actually, don't, I won't believe it.

[Davsto]

"You noticed me doing something scummy, how opportunistic!!!one!!"

[Davsto]

Yup Grapes is just sucking on *wait for it* sour grapes!

dammit vedith crap puns are

my

thing

[Davsto]

Would you say they are

wining?

[Davsto]

Please do carry on

[Davsto]

Wait, random, what was your flavour for the gladiate?

[Davsto]

Wait, random, what was your flavour for the gladiate?

Plz answer because this

Gladiate/hook: firebringer and randomidget

Seems awfully specific.

[Davsto]

I believe that was hammer.

For the record, what bugged me is that he'd drunk red potion in 933, but earlier on had claimed Ganondorf, which seemed out of line with flavour.

[Davsto]

Oh yeh, I can't count apparently

[Davsto]

VC 3.00

Not Voting:

Knuckles, Xtoxm, Firebringer, Aj The Epic, Davsto, Vedith, grapes, Starbuck

With 8 votes, 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-10-30 04:26:06)

Sound of Silence was killed, they were "Astro Boy" from "Astro Boy: Omega Factor" and they were aligned with

the Mafia

!

Spoiler: Role PM

Role PM

Astro Boy Omega Factor: Astro Boy

Welcome Sound of Silence, you have drawn

Astro Boy

!

What? I got machine guns... in my butt?

During the night you can fly up to someone and beat the living daylight of them, thus preventing them from taking any actions they would have taken that night.

I was born ready!

Once this game you may choose to use your special move instead of beating someone up. Your special move prevents every player not aligned with your faction from taking an action that night.

Factional Abilities:

You share a Private Topic with your partners here: -Redacted-
Further more you share a faction-kill that gets used instead of any of your other abilities during the night.

Win Condition:

You win once your faction is the final one remaining or nothing can prevent it.

The game-thread can be found here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63582
I'll post there once all Role PM's are sent out and officially open the game. Once the game starts you have 2 days to post or otherwise get replaced.

Day 3 Starts!

Hey guys I found where my N1 shot went.
How many votes is grapes at? We know random did that thing to defend one scum partner, wouldn't put it past him to do that to two at once. He's been a bit of a buffoon, with the whole red potion and misunderstanding his gladiate (also the Ganondorf nameclaim - the hell was the reason for that anyway?), so it seems like the kinda move he'd do.

[Davsto]

Also, I'm planning to not use any more vig shots. I trust the judgement of organised town over my shots. Only went for SoS because he was becoming fairly obvious scum at this point.

[Davsto]

VOTE: firebringer

You believe randomidget made a gladiate between himself and a scum? You seriously, honest-to-god think that he made it so that scum literally couldn't be lynched while a large wagon was building on you, who you "know" as town?

I call bs.

[Davsto]

VOTE: firebringer

You believe randomidget made a gladiate between himself and a scum? You seriously, honest-to-god think that he made it so that scum literally couldn't be lynched while a large wagon was building on you, who you "know" as town?

I call bs.

i made that vote like 500 posts ago

at me

don't know how I found that

[Davsto]

Okay, Firebringer, you role blocked dave night 1. Why?

Someone doesn't read Role PMs of people who flip. Let me just quote this again...

VC 3.00

Not Voting:

Knuckles, Xtoxm, Firebringer, Aj The Epic, Davsto, Vedith, grapes, Starbuck

With 8 votes, 5 to lynch

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-10-30 04:26:06)

Sound of Silence was killed, they were "Astro Boy" from "Astro Boy: Omega Factor" and they were aligned with

the Mafia

!

Spoiler: Role PM

Role PM

Astro Boy Omega Factor: Astro Boy

Welcome Sound of Silence, you have drawn

Astro Boy

!

What? I got machine guns... in my butt?

During the night you can fly up to someone and beat the living daylight of them, thus preventing them from taking any actions they would have taken that night.

I was born ready!

Once this game you may choose to use your special move instead of beating someone up. Your special move prevents every player not aligned with your faction from taking an action that night.

Factional Abilities:

You share a Private Topic with your partners here: -Redacted-
Further more you share a faction-kill that gets used instead of any of your other abilities during the night.

Win Condition:

You win once your faction is the final one remaining or nothing can prevent it.

The game-thread can be found here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63582
I'll post there once all Role PM's are sent out and officially open the game. Once the game starts you have 2 days to post or otherwise get replaced.

Question: townslip (he didn't know partner's role?) or attempt at painting someone scummily with a fake townslip?

[Davsto]

Is he? Enlighten me. I'm too tired to find it.

[Davsto]

...Okay, I'm still confused. Can you explain? Maybe it's just because I'm tired.

[Davsto]

Ahh, okay, I get it now

Sometimes I don't understand things the way they are worded, hence why I was confused.

What's grapes at votewise at the moment?

[Davsto]

Okay, I'll wait for Starbuck to stump before bringing to L-1.

[Davsto]

The reason to not lynch me today is because I can get another clear. I'm a cop. It's the correct play.

Not even being biased.

I'm almost tempted to take this route but then this just makes me paranoid that, if they are scum they have some tactic to win tonight.

[Davsto]

Can I ask why we're all assuming only two scum? Can I also ask why grapes just happens to be SK-speccing only now when they're under pressure?

[Davsto]

I'm not assuming 2 scum.

It's not really the correct play. We have a claimed vig in the open and an openly claimed cop who admits a guilty can come up on towns, even though we have no Miller. It's written in right now that you could use this as an excuse to get a townie lynched.

The vig/sk has smited scum already.

The cop has too irrelevant town cops and SOMEHOW figured you would cop me N1 because i was lurking.

The correct play here would be to string you up.

I'm just reading "smited" as "killed all of them". Is this me being stupid again?

If I was scum I'd have given up by now. Like all I'm asking for is another clear. That cements a town win.

I feel like your tactic is giving up though, just an attempt to get one more town lynch through. jsyk.

[Davsto]

If I was scum I'd have given up by now. Like all I'm asking for is another clear. That cements a town win.

Literally nobody left can be scum.

Dav is SK.

Like we're a few days from lylo, whoever taught you to lynch a claimed cop because their clears happen to be redundant taught you wrong. Literally how would I have known you guys were basically clear already anyway?

Game is solved anyway, though, I guess. Just wish people would realize I'm fucking obviously town.

Town

:
grapes
xtoxm
aj

davsto

knuckles?

probstown
starbuck
vedith
firebringer

?

[Davsto]

Why do you think there are only two Mafia?

[Davsto]

Like, for a start you're thinking people are conftown setup-wise in a Role madness game in which the mod has basically said he hates setup speccing judging by our current flips?

[Davsto]

Last time as town that I thought me being lynched would win me the game it lost me the game. Not falling for that again.

Also 3rd party spec is ew when there are plenty of things that could be through other things.

we can literally win the game by lynching you by tomorrow pretty much and you dummies wanna lynch me because lol grapes is so scummy lol xD xD xD

And how

dare

we lynch someone we're suspicious of?

Horrible AtE is horrible.

Still waiting for Starbuck though before I put to L-1

[Davsto]

grapes' thought looks like this

"I want dav to shoot scum before I count him cleared"
"oh shit he did that he's cleared erm erm THIRD PARTY"

Aj is downright lying about what I did N1.
I already said i used sword dance to get a extra vote instead of try to roleblock.

Also I never said any of my abilities were 1 time use.
So many lies.

nonono Fire he just got confused.

[Davsto]

fucking misrep dav i wanted you to shoot SOMETHING

SHOOTING SCUM DOESN'T CLEAR YOU AS TOWN

EVERYTHING ALIVE HAS A COMPELLING AS FUCK TOWNCASE AND OR IS CONFTOWN VIA COP CLEAR ARE YOU DAFT OR WHAT?

Like if you are sk just give up please?

Fucking hell, this is barely a misrep. When you say "shoot someone" you are basically saying "shoot scum preferably," don't even deny that.

My guess is you wanted me to shoot town (hence the advice on my nightkill) so you could push me as SK, and now I've hit your last partner you're panicking.

[Davsto]

Can I have permission not to wait for Starbuck to vote grapes? Because the more they AtE the more and more I want to vote them :/

[Davsto]

Right-o

VOTE: grapes

[Davsto]

Isn't Starbuck a she?

Yes >__>

[Davsto]

It's a temporary ability, apparently. He has three (?) abilities he can use at night.

50% chance roleblock
gets double vote next day
???

[Davsto]

Well I guess the question is:

Dave, did you make the NK?

Nope, not making any more shots. Don't trust myself enough.

[Davsto]

Further more, your vote has a weight of two tomorrow.

Two double voters?

[Davsto]

Presumably the same as he was the last day phase

(Knuckles = Sonic/Nacho hydra)

[Davsto]

I wasn't making you look stupid, I was helping. I'm a nice person. Ish.

[Davsto]

Starbuck is confirmed town because of shattering.
Xtoxm and AJ are confirmed town because of investigative results that give a false guilty but no false innocents.

Who's word do we have to go on that the shattering lasts all night apart from Starbuck's word?
Godfather is a role that exists.

The only thing stopping me from insta purging Fire at this point is that the presence of his double vote would seem to indicate he couldn't have made the kill.

How do we know Fire's double vote is an action? How do we know it isn't just even-day double voter?

Problem with this whole "ooh look at all these confirmed towns" is that you're not considering little things. How are these people considered confirmed town but not me, who literally brought up a dead Mafia.

[Davsto]

Because there is a dead body, right there, and there is no way that an SK would work in a setup this small, and, if I were lying, there'd be no vigilante which would be weird.
You have no proof in front of you that those who were inspected aren't investigation-immune, or that Fire's double vote is actually an action and not an even-day thing.

I'm not confirmed town, but my confirmedness is more than the others', in my opinion. Starbuck is the only confirmed town by the fact that the game didn't end when she shattered.

[Davsto]

The way that grapes' inspection thing was worded is that she knew she'd get a fake mafia result on someone who didn't know it - this would be to avoid bastardness.

For one of the actual mafia to be aware that they "inspect as town" would make sense, in all honesty.

[Davsto]

When there's an investigative role, it always makes sense for there to be a godfather.

[Davsto]

Well it stops the entire game being won just by a Cop. Like, who cares if they get a Mafia result on a townie; they get 4 mafia results, lynch them all, kabam. Game won for town.

This is a role madness game. Giving the Mafia something which makes them inspect as innocent makes basic logical sense.

[Davsto]

The reason the Cop was informed that they can get bad Mafia results is because the player who gets the bad Mafia result isn't aware.

[Davsto]

Look, I think there's a good enough chance of one of you/Fire being scum that I don't care that much, but I swear to god that if there's an investigation-immune in this game I will slap you post-game.

[Davsto]

Your skills are also occasionally prone to failure, you know that one player will always appear as "Mafia" to you this game, though they aren't aware of it themselves as the fault is yours.

[Davsto]

Feel free to slap me if there isn't.

PEdit It literally says that in the quote
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though they aren't aware of it themselves as the fault is yours.

[Davsto]

I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.

[Davsto]

Maybe it's to avoid the typical Miller reaction; typically, it's either "claim early, potentially get policy lynched later" or "claim once caught and then get lynched".

wgeurts wanted to avoid that age-old reaction by having the Cop be aware that they will get a false result on someone. And then, not telling the person who gets said result to avoid a "hey I know someone's a Miller" "yeh it's me" bam two confirmed towns.

[Davsto]

I have no idea why they wouldn't be made aware themselves. Probably to invoke a reaction. So that the Cop is cautious before outing results because they know a guilty could be false.

They wouldn't be aware themselves so they couldn't claim D1.
So that wgeurts could nerf the cop with a miller that actually had a chance of being investigated.

This, combined with the flipped roleblocker, means that a Godfather is highly unlikely.

I don't see why this is relevant; I mean, a Godfather's hardly going to claim.

In a role madness game with a Cop, I have no reason to believe that the mafia don't have an investigation-immune.

However, let's stop this irrelevant discussion; chances are the mafia is one of you/Fire so it's unimportant to me.

[Davsto]

I did not kill Vedith last night. Don't throw this hyperbole at me.

I wasn't sure which of Fire/Nacho needs to be lynched first, but I think I've decided.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Davsto]

Nosferatu was obliterated by an explosion, he was Kefka Palazzo from the game Final Fantasy VI. He was aligned with

The Town

!

Spoiler: Role PM

Role PM

Final Fantasy VI: Kefka Palazzo

Welcome Nosferatu, you have drawn

Kefka Palazzo

!

I'm a god! I'm all-powerful! Uwee-hee-hee...

During the day you may remove all abilities of the player you're voting by posting "

Fire! Fire! Heh-heh-heh!

". They regain their abilities after 3 nights. This ability can only be used once.

Oh dear...you wanna fight me?! This is just dreadful!

All actions (besides kills) targeting you during the night and day are blocked.

Ouch! B-blood... Blood! Blood!!! You vicious brat! Argh... Grrr...! You know, you really are a stupid... Vicious... Arrogant, whiny, pampered, backstabbing, worthless... LITTLE BRAT!!!

If you are killed by the daily lynch you don't go down without a fight; you change your form during a last-stand and the following ability takes effect:

Life...Dreams...Hope...Where do they come from? And where do they go? None of that junk is enough to fulfill your hearts! Destruction...Destruction is what makes life worth living! Destroy! Destroy! Destroy! Let's destroy everything! The person who placed the final vote on your wagon dies.

Win Condition:

You win once all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game-thread can be found here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63582
I'll post there once all Role PM's are sent out and officially open the game. Once the game starts you have 2 days to post or otherwise get replaced.

[Davsto]

I literally killed Sound of Silence

How is that not proof enough!?

Scum has stirred up enough paranoia that I'm SK for all you people to believe it, which is utter crap.

[Davsto]

My actions:

Attempted regular kill N1 (blocked, apparently by SoS)
Used strongman kill N2 (succeeded)

[Davsto]

Clear Fire?

[Davsto]

Why does that not surprise me?

[Davsto]

Like, shit, fuck am I supposed to do?

[Davsto]

Is this the point where I sheepishly admit that the strongman part of the kill is one-shot?

[Davsto]

Ouch :/

It's okay, wgeurts. These things happen.

[Davsto]

I was still happy that, for a large part, none of you even thought there was a slight chance of me being Mafia, only of me being SK. I knew that gambit would be worth it.

Also, Nacho

You return an innocent investigation result if investigated by somebody at night.

[Davsto]

Ouch.

What a crazy gambit you guys pulled lol.

ikr

The best part was is that I had used the strongman kill, so I had to get SoS to kill themselves, because I couldn't do it.

PEdit - My lies in the role madness threw off town enough that people got confused.

[Davsto]

I probably would have lost in the end if the game had continued, with or without the mod errors.

With the mod errors, I was stuck against Firebringer with a double vote. I really wouldn't have been able to do much there.
Without the mod errors, AJ would have been a fairly easy lynch to push, but then the night would come and Xtoxm would vig me since Starbuck was confirmed town.

[Davsto]

That's probably the best performance I've had as scum, though. Not gonna lie, I'm proud of this game.

[Davsto]

I probably would have lost in the end if the game had continued, with or without the mod errors.

Without any mod errors, I was stuck against Firebringer with a double vote. I really wouldn't have been able to do much there.
With the mod errors, AJ would have been a fairly easy lynch to push, but then the night would come and Xtoxm would vig me since Starbuck was confirmed town.

Fixed that

[Davsto]

Godfather is a role that exists. I could easily have pushed that with the nay-saying Nacho dead.

[Davsto]

No. 1 problem with this game existing: I will no longer be able to get a "well why would he do that" or "as scum he wouldn't have the balls to do that" kind of read on me because I literally got a scum partner to kill themselves for a gambit like fuck what should I do

[Davsto]

I mean, did you put him down as randommidget or randomidget?

[Davsto]

Random, you got lynched because you derailed a town wagon. And really, your move almost cost your team the game in one move.

Something something QFT

You have no idea how frustrated I was when you did that.