Mini 1726: Netherspite's Semi-Open Role Madness [Game Over]

[Shiro]

VOTE:DAVSTO

Because Gamblers fallacy is legit

[Shiro]

VOTE: Shiro

Gambler's fallacy?

Davsto knows....He knows

[Shiro]

Vote Heartless

Let's go. I need to get to screwing everyone.

~Titus

Getting screwed sounds interesting

[Shiro]

Sense of humor not found. You need a reboot.

~Titus

I don't have a sense of humor.

I have a sense of humour, though.

[Shiro]

Hey ika

[Shiro]

Ank you are such a rebel that I cut myself on your edge

Spiffeh all roles are randomized what you said really helps nobody

@ika How do you feel about this one in a life time chance to hammer 3 people in row?

[Shiro]

omg do we have a marshall? thats like the most fun thing ever

Heartless publicly reveals himself as a Town Marshall!

^_^/
Hi there!

I would've really liked to use it later but the chances of this hydra making it very far in this game isn't great given our recent nightkill record.

Let's get cracking.

VOTE: Shiro

[Shiro]

spiffeh I am sorry to say but it isn't Davsto that blows them out of proportion

It is your posts that are scummy. From asking people to role claim to vote hopping to sheeping somoone purely because they are confirmed town.

[Shiro]

Vpte:Spiffeh

Yea I believe it is a good start

P.edit

Don't ninja my doing jsut that >.<

[Shiro]

Shiro needs to vote Spiffeh and so does Dave. Then we will be there.

I'm not town reading Spiffeh, but I've got a reasonably strong (for RVS) scum read on Shiro at this point. She posts a lot and puts a lot of effort into being funny and cute, but she's very much on the periphery of the discussion and she likes to stick to people.

I am most of the time like that though regardless of alignment.

[Shiro]

ok I'll stop

UNVOTE: Heartless
VOTE: Hiplop

What was the point of this ?

[Shiro]

I think the play today is to follow the confirmed town's lead.

Btw forgot to say but this is awkward and scummy.

You basically want to hide behind the conftown instead of laying out your own thoughts and opinions.

That is not a town mindset. You didn't act like this in Nyctapolis.

[Shiro]

VOTE: hiplop

^There's the idea.

And, from these posts alone, you have magically deduced that they are scum how exactly?

Avoiding major wagons, not contributing. It's not that they're scum, just that they provide zero utility to town.

I would honestly prefer lynching ank for that matter. Unless you have a reason to believe he would be like that as town.

[Shiro]

@Heartless You scumread me for being how I am tbh so



And really do you townread Ank ? Don't you think he should come and start providing content ?

P.edit
I didn't avoid it I called it useless in one of my posts about Spiffeh

P.edit 2
I do infact want him to come and talk

P.edit 3
I did actually comment on it just early. I didn't find any need to say anything more.

P.edit 4
Well what part of his behaviour was anything but null ?

[Shiro]

Nah not meta Heartless just general behaviour. I am a fun loving person no matter alignment.

You are basing your read on me for what most people scumread me on day 1 regardless of what I am. That is my point.

P.edit
Booo Davsto Booo

P.edit

YOU ARE NOT LETTING POST CAUSE OF PREVIEW EDITS GDI DX

P.edit STOP Dx

[Shiro]

Booo Davsto Booo

It's not halloween yet, Shiro.


~~('O')~~

[Shiro]

titus, for all intents and purposes, spiffeh was a mislynch

acknowledge that, or i'm lynching you

Hardly. He was being pretty scummy(Which apparently was on purpuse). He was a jester trying to get lynched without showing that he was a jester.

@Delenn I actually do think Ank has potential to be scum. Davsto is sheeping conftown and I find that suspicious since he was one of those that said we should not do so just cause he is conftown because Honest=/= right

[Shiro]

That is two contradiction \0/

Huzzah

They are contradiction right ? I was once schooled by thor that what I thought was a contradiction actually wasn't

[Shiro]

That is two contradiction \0/

Huzzah

They are contradiction right ? I was once schooled by thor that what I thought was a contradiction actually wasn't

thor didn't teach you very well then. zero contradictions

: ( Well he didnt much teach me as to tell me I am wrong.

@Davsto his reasons haven't changed. From my understanding he is still pushing me for being fence sitting and not directly engaging discussions.

[Shiro]

That is two contradiction \0/

Huzzah

They are contradiction right ? I was once schooled by thor that what I thought was a contradiction actually wasn't

thor didn't teach you very well then. zero contradictions

: ( Well he didnt much teach me as to tell me I am wrong.

@Davsto his reasons haven't changed. From my understanding he is still pushing me for being fence sitting and not directly engaging discussions.

Evidence to back up points instead of just points, in case the last post didn't get the point across.

Nah I got your point.

The points he is making remain the same though just with quotes proving them.

My defence wasn't that I am not like that. My defence was that I am like that regardless of alignment. You were there in Nyctapolis Dav IaI scumread me for the same exact reasons as heartless now.

[Shiro]

sc2 mafia seems a lot like EM tbh

[Shiro]

Jailor

[Shiro]

If this is anything like EM then we sooner or later have a cc

@Mod are roles unique or town random can be whatever?

[Shiro]

Scrap that then. This is sandbox EM massclaiming was dumb because we don't have the secrecy you get from only the clear knowing the roles. All we will do is optimize the mafias kill now

All roles can be anything and there is no excece in any category at best we will get one more clear

Gfdi >.>

[Shiro]

Ika what's your role. What exactly confirmed you as town?

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Heartless jeez you really don't get what he is?

[Shiro]

Okay so I didn't claim yesterday because I didn't want to out myself because I am a

Sheriff

I inspected Shiro last night and got Mafia.

VOTE: Shiro

Yea I dunno why you got bs resaults but this is bullshit resaults.

Frame could be a possibility since Anti suspected me and that might have made me a likely investigation target. Beats me.

[Shiro]

Yea all I know here is that either Davsto is scum tryin gto get the lynch because together with teh judge they will win if town dies today or there is a framer and I got seriously unlucky

[Shiro]

That being said, I am suspicious of Dave. The lack of a scum kill means someone had to submit a night kill. Kills in this setup can only be done by VT claims.

We know that Shiro, myself, Jeanne, ika, bins, Hiplop could not submit the kill. A blocker blocked the kill most likely.

What? This made no sense to me, explain?

Look at the setup. Only a godfather/mafioso can kill.

...And that stops mafia from fakeclaiming?

Yea fakeclaim jailor(which is a very verifiable claim)

[Shiro]

No the jailing starts at the day. It blcoked my execution though

I think Jeaae blocked the scum kill. We got to wait and see who he roleblocked.

[Shiro]

There is the possibility scum targeted who Shiro jailed as well.

Didn't actually think of that. It is a possibility yea.

[Shiro]

There is the possibility scum targeted who Shiro jailed as well.

Didn't actually think of that. It is a possibility yea.

Then you might want to tell us who you jailed?

Wanna see if he will come out and say so on his own, if not I will do so don't worry

[Shiro]

No the jailing starts at the day. It blcoked my execution though

I think Jeaae blocked the scum kill. We got to wait and see who he roleblocked.

I am not a he and I roleblocked ika. I learned that ika was the judge after all and couldn't be roleblocked. Since Del and I seem to be only two roleblockers, I'd assume you are talking about me.

1.st How did you learn he was teh judge?

2nd Why did you roleblock one of the prime Judge suspects?

[Shiro]

@Shiro, Were you notified I blocked you?

Yea I got notified that I had a good time with a lady xD But got roleblocked in the process

[Shiro]

Where you notified about my role ? Because this is what jeane seems to be implying here with his sudden certenity that ika is the judge

[Shiro]

Ahh ok. So if ika was blocked, he would vouch if he's town crier. If ika doesn't say he was blocked, then either Jeanne consort or ika judge.

I guess so yea.

[Shiro]

Do you think Dave is scum or framer exists?

I love how you don't consider the third possibility of Shiro being scum. Why's this?

Mate someone stopped a kill last night. It appears I am that one person. I just want to wait and see if person will come and say anything before I out stuff.

What do you think ? That mafia no killed? Because you know they had won if they had killed. What exactly are you suggesting that happened dav ? Seriously I am curious to know.

P.edit

I got ninjad

[Shiro]

*points also a little bit at a mafia nokill gambit*

Smooth... why win when you can gambit right ?

[Shiro]

Scum didn't no kill gambit. They would have won by killing.

*points also a little bit at a mafia nokill gambit*

Smooth... why win when you can gambit right ?

Way ahead of you

[Shiro]

ok it hit me one of davsto and bella has to be lying

[Shiro]

Look at how many people are left alive

then look at the claimed roles.

I have affirmed that you indeed visisted me and now we wait for ika to do the same for jeane. There cant be a lie there(though one of your could be mafia escort)

The judge and two cries cant be lying because they talked at night. It is verifiable.

This leaves Davsto,Bella and runner.

I will out I jailed runner.

One of Davsto/Bellas has to be scum. One of you is the framer leaning Bella tbh because this was a hasty cc and coincidentally on a dead person. Unless Dav lied so I don't know what he is.

One of jeane/Delenn has to be scum. I am heavily leaning Jeane here because of her useless roleblock, probably got confused and hoped to hit somethign else ? I don't know. It makes no sense as town to do what she did.

Runner is scum it is very likely tbh.

[Shiro]

How I learned. Because according to role PMs in the first post, apart from court ability, judge can send a message at night. Since I blocked ika and he was able to give a message anyway, he must be the judge. It's logic.

He could be crier. You are not making much sense sorry

[Shiro]

Yea no need to beat around the obvious

Vote:Runner

[Shiro]

unvote

Actually wait I could be wrong. I think we should wait for runner to come and claim as well before we take any actions

[Shiro]

It is possible that we can risk it this way and win it

If we lynch dav and it wrong

I jail runner as he said and execute

jeane and delenn roleblock each other.

We lynch bella who will be confirmed framer.

Then we lynch between delenn and jeane. Even if we get it wrong the first time we still win. Judge cannot win alone so it is victory.

It is actually a fail proof victory plan isn't it ?

[Shiro]

Unless I am not seeing something here.

[Shiro]

Well, I personally, am not up for lynching a townie under any circumstances.

How can you be sure that he is town over bella ?

[Shiro]

Deleen that is why you will roleblock jeane and jeane roleblock you

[Shiro]

By the way

@Delenn I think I will roleblock Shiro the next night. You've already decided to fuck up the game for town by dispatching me, so let's go all the way through, shall we?

pedit: Good luck with that. You'll be lynching someone else instead.

@Shiro don't listen to them, jail me.

[Shiro]

Yea I think my plan can't fail, if you are town Davsto know that at least we will still win

Vote:Dav

[Shiro]

VOTE: Delenn

She is harping on me being scum when clearly I am not. The fact is I know I am town. And seeing she is ignoring that possibility, I think she is consort. I have my sights set on her.

I am town escort

@ika come on, you must have receive some notification. The mod said so couple of posts ago. I am re-checking with them.

Lynching between you two right now is not wise

If I could pick jail target at night it would have been possible but right now it isn't because a mistake means you will stop my execution of potential scum in order not to lose

Also Dav will confirm runner and Bella as scum if he flips town, you or Delenn will provide nothing and even if u.are right and Delenn flips scum I would have to get lucky between 3 targets before flip to stop the kill since she is confirmed roleblocker.

Dav sorry but you are the best lynch for today

[Shiro]

Yea I send the PM already

[Shiro]

We also know Bella has to be framer if Dav flips town meaning by jailing runner and executing him, not only we kill scum at night but they don't get to kill ^_^

[Shiro]

And also, why believe her rather than me? For all the rest of us know, either of us could be scum, yet you are not considering the possibility that she could be scum either.

We are considering the possibility jeane , the thing is that right now it is something that we can sort later

[Shiro]

No you see.

If Dav is town I execute runner.

This means we will enter next day
1 3p
4 town
2 scum

We lynch Bella confirmed framer and you and Delenn roleblocke each other again

If any of you tries to kill(because they will have turned mafioso by being last maf) the other will block

Thus next day

1 3p
4 town
1 scum

We lynch one of you while I jail the other so they can't kill incase we get it wrong.

We enter day
1 3p
3 town
1 scum

We lynch last scum and win since if I am not mistaken judge can't win alone.

Good question actually

@MOD Can judge win alone?

[Shiro]

Then you lynch Delenn and jail me, okay?

Well ir won't be soly my choice but that can be discussed when the time comes. For now we need to lynch Dav in order to set things in motion.

[Shiro]

So you'll let Delenn dupe you? :/

I Don't know, I can't know what will be discussed in the future and again even if I I believe you it doesn't mean the rest of the town will.

Again though for today this is not important.

[Shiro]

Well, I have another plan. Tonight I will block whoever is the mafia candidate that won't be lynched the next day, thus proving I am an escort, so you can lynch Delenn afterwards.

This means if Delenn is consort she will block my execution and we will be in a stalemate.

1 3p
4 town
3 scum

Plus I am already jailing the potential killer of the mafia if Dav flips town

P.edit
K thanks mod

P.edit 2

Jeane I already explained that please read my posts :/

[Shiro]

Also, even if I block Delenn, who is to say she won't block someone else? If she's a consort, she definitely will.

That is the point of blocking. If you block her she can't.

[Shiro]

tbh I think Hiplop or ika for judge is more likely since Bins had crumbed her crier role earlier but seriously that is not a pressing matter right now

[Shiro]

Dav ninja

[Shiro]

If we hammer, who should I investigate tonight? Runner?

Runner will be having a nice stay in my cell(with a chance of execution as well)

[Shiro]

11/10 would be Titus' s goon again

Btw just going to admit that I jailed runner because I made wrong a mistake

Ank how was that a slip I was blocked. I didnt really execute but jailers also do.

Anti my heart skipped a beat when you named as all XD though I was honest, you were scumreading me for stuff I do as town to

Btw when I was trying to explain the plan to jeane I was scared that someone would go. Maaan that plan sounds too good to be true.

[Shiro]

Release the PT

[Shiro]

Thanks Titus although I do no think I am all that good heh

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Yea it was in a sense

Titus did roleblock me

[Shiro]

That was the scumslip, though.

You claimed to have attempted to execute.

If I was a real jailor I would have done so

[Shiro]

As town, would you have read the note I left with my corpse?

The what ? Your conffeti explosion?

[Shiro]

Ankamius

's last words:

Mass Murderer needs to claim and work with town to start PoEing the scum. Other 3rd Party Killing needs to work with town without claiming. Don't let ika live to endgame under any circumstances. Finish massclaim tomorrow and come up with conclusions yourself; DO NOT let ika do the analysis alone.

Lynch the jailer if they execute anyone.

My reads are pretty obvious. This is fully salvageable as long as town don't do any really stupid moves and think before voting.

I would have missed it regardless of alignment xD

[Shiro]

like I probably read it but totally forgot

[Shiro]

I see people saying these kinds of things all the time in postgame discussions and I think it's a really crappy and unsportsmanlike thing to say, Shiro. The insinuation is "I was scum and you called me scum but you really didn't catch me as scum." I get that you're trying to protect your ego about your scum game, but it robs us of our due credit for having the good read. The fact of the matter is that you were playing toward a scum win condition, it showed in your posting, and we picked up on it. Statements like the one I quoted are just ridiculous because you don't really know what you'd do as town. Because you weren't town.

I am truthfully scumread every game by town for the reason of posts a lot of cutsy fluff and is sheepish despite my alignment that I have made it a town tell when people call me scum for it. I am not trying to diminish your town play infact if you look at the mafia PT i made a remark that the judge pretty much saved us from it, Unless I am oblivious to something I do differently depending on what I am on teh subject

If you think I said it to protect my ego then I am sorry tbh I don't actually think I have a good scum play