Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

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hiiii

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hiiii

>_>

Do things or die.

i will

but its thanksgiving so I'm eating turkey for two days

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Okay, gonna read up now. (y)

Even though there's turkey tonight, don't wanna fall too far behind and be utterly useless.

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I'm on page 9.

holding on to thoughts for now.

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Are you being,

ehmmm comment tu-dis...

serious?

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aw i didn't mean to bold that

it would have been so much cooler in italics

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okay

done reading

@papa zito

1) i don't know why you would call me out of the lurkers when i'm the one SAYING I'M READING
1.5) ITS THANKSGIVING WEEKEND BUZZ OFF, I'M NOT FLOATING, GET YOUR HEAD IN THE GAME
and 2) i have to do everything on mobile because my internet is broken
3) I'm getting so confused on abbreviations
4) i think both marquis and notty are town pretty confidently rn and surprisingly with limited paranoia which in turn is making me paranoid but i'll shut
5) you're gonna see a vote in maybe 3 minutes
6) depending on whether or not bulge rings my doorbell in that time

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oh okay there aren't as many votes on SC as i thought

VOTE: SC

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think it would make you more uncomfortable if i said i literally saw nothing i liked more?


pedit - ^ and no, i think it's odd that you would call me out over everyone else

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good feelings about my bad feelings?

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i literally said i don't see any there eligible singles that i want to take a bite off

and like i said, bad feelings
all of his posts have pinged me
i like his wagon
i'm waiting to see a bad vote on it

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uh no not easy but i can try just for you

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ok

first page


because its awkward

and no i can't quote easily
remember the mobile thing (y)

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anyways i have to go eat turkey with bulge

and do math


byebyebye


but also, if it makes you feel better about the "any other people you're interested in?" and the fact i had an answer was pretty good. not one I'm confident, purely gut. i really can't get better reads from a first read through unless theres glaring contradictions. anyways, i need interactions.


which is why I'm about to go

notty wtf you kept calling my name but then i show up and i don't even cause a head turn

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lmao i did butcher that didn't i

"but also, if it makes you feel better about the "any other people you're interested in?", the fact i had an answer was pretty good. not one I'm confident in, purely gut. i really can't get better reads from a first read through unless theres glaring contradictions. anyways, i need interactions.

jfc its awkward because its awkward don't make me point out diction like this is an english essay

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a sad face would imply negative

but i don't see how that could really be

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I am not a fan of bins trolling.

?

im not trolling lol

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a sad face would imply negative

but i don't see how that could really be

putting this in spoilers cos this really only applies to you and its slightly personal. its part of the game and it isn't all at the same time, I somehow think that you will get it.

Spoiler:

I have always had a very hard time reading you cos you hit the feels. it used to be cos I felt like you tended to get picked on in games even tho your low content has aways driven me nuts, so I wld try to give you space so you cld mebbe catch your stride. I wasn't always successful cos I get impatient and wld go after you anyways sometimes. then I got bored and browsed though fwan and saw your pics and I was like omg. not for the same reason that espy and the others were like omg, but more cos I was blown away by the sheer intelligence, shrewdness and merriment in your eyes; it explained so much about what I was picking up from your play.

so i have a gigantic soft spot for you and I think that makes me incredibly vulnerable when you are scum cos I never want to go after you. I like you tremendously, even if I am not super showy about it but it is there all the same. I have similar feels for far and dgb. mebbe its the vag power or something. so i am trying to weigh that bias against notty and marquis not feeling good about you and I definitely trust their judgment over my own.

I get that you are secretive. I sort of see it in the way that you smile and in your eyes. but I hope you can understand that this makes some pple jumpy including me.

<3

Spoiler:

yeah i do hit the feels a lot, town or scum, more when I'm scum but i tend to get legitimately emotional when I'm town more (and usually more !!!?!?! !!I HATE YU I QUIT THIS GAME). i've been trying to work on my low content as town in like literally every game, town or scum (lol i fake it). because i used to be really high content so yeah. but i think I've realized I'm only good at town when i have things to work with, and D1 especially, i feel like I'm going off nothing a lot of the time. i feel like posting makes me more useless and cloggy because I'm not really confident in any of my reads. i try really hard to try, i don't know, effort gets sort of lost in me when i see other people. scum is more fun than town and i lack confidence as town. its hard to even explain my play style as town, as i can't even remember the last game i played to the end.......

but that personal reading of my pics, wow. thank you, at least for those comments, haha. i like when people say stuff about impressions. especially like that.

im so used to be stuck as obvtown but now i feel like every time i act that way i get immediately scum labeled because i learnt how to fake it really well.
idk I've become a lot more sassy because of that because i realized no matter what SOMEONE is going to be off'ed by me for SOME REASON. or i'm gonna end up fighting with someone.
i really am trying, not to be obvious with my reads, but to be correct like i used to be. i feel like when I'm secretive at least i can hold to myself for a little while, i'd rather be called out for not doing something then being called out for being wishywashy. even i don't like to see myself flop around. chances are if you see my confident early on, i'm scum.

sorry I'm not sure if that helped,
i ranted on a lot. and i surprised myself because i only feel the need to do that as scum LOL

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VOTE: FlameAxe


Mollie is town. I have no idea what her motivation would be to say that shit to me if she was scum. She was definitely reaching out and it wasn't scum motivated.
Also, my readslist is basically Reck's but upside-down.

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[That was a joke.


But it's shocking how much I was like "whaaaaaaaat?".

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*]


By the way, I dropped this.

I have internet at school (and a laptop), but I also have less time at school. But now would be the time to engage me if you legitimately can't understand me when I'm on mobile.

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1) I did. I thought his posts were awkward and he seemed to struggle to naturally enter the conversation. This can be seen best in the first few pages. The vote was for no more than just that reason. That's it. I can't make a quote wall of examples because I don't have any. He bugged me, I wanted to vote him to pressure him to talk more, he replaced out, I was sad, the end. But I like MattP's recent post.
2) Continuing on with that, I liked his BBM reasoning. And I really did not like BBM's response.

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1) I did. I thought his posts were awkward and he seemed to struggle to naturally enter the conversation. This can be seen best in the first few pages. The vote was for no more than just that reason. That's it. I can't make a quote wall of examples because I don't have any. He bugged me, I wanted to vote him to pressure him to talk more, he replaced out, I was sad, the end. But I like MattP's recent post.
2) Continuing on with that, I liked his BBM reasoning. And I really did not like BBM's response.

Nominate Bins for

amorphous reasoning

Specifically, which parts of MattP's BBM reasoning did you like. Specifically, what response from BBM did you not like?

Seriously? Do you really need me to be more specific? Like, I liked your questioning at first, but you're getting ridiculous.

I LIKED ALL OF HIS POINTS, if I didn't, I would have pointed them out. If I wanted more, I would have added more.
BBM HAD ONE — just one! — response. Which response didn't I like...? Oh, wow! That one!

You're wasting both of our time. Are you trying to see why I'm voting him, because you want to agree/disagree? Because you're town and you wanna see if Matt's points were understandable and agreeable to you as well?
Or are you asking me so many useless questions just to get a reaction out of me? To get me to trip up? To get me to get stuck? So you can get a read on me?
Because I'm not that complex. I see something I don't like. I vote it.

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Because it appears like you're trying to do something, but at the same time, you're doing nothing at all. You're not getting anywhere. But still, you're literally focusing all of your attention on me so you can get something out of it. Or you wanna look like you're being productive. Are you? No. You're not. And I seriously suggest if you want to point out Bin's deep, psychological reasoning for voting people in a very LARGE game, you are going to waste a heck of a lot of time and miss a really, really big picture and let scum slip by.

And if you continue, I'm going to doubt your motivations because you have yet to even HINT at a conclusion. You're trying to act like you're doing something, but you are seriously doing absolute jack.

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I'm trying to get in your pretty little head and the only way I can do that is through "useless questions." You voted someone, I want the thought process behind it. I'm not going to assume anything because making assumptions leads to bad reads and mistakes, which means yes I want you to actually answer the questions I'm asking. Unless the depth of your play really is "teehee I don't like this post, let's go shopping!" then you should be able to provide me with specifics.

While not in a mocking way, that is the level of my play right now. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

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Bins how do you feel about AJ?

I really do not know right now. I've skimmed pretty much all of his posts because I've been pretty focused on Papa's questions.

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That said, I'm planning on getting to AJ and the other wagons above FlameAxe tonight.

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I'm trying to get in your pretty little head and the only way I can do that is through "useless questions." You voted someone, I want the thought process behind it. I'm not going to assume anything because making assumptions leads to bad reads and mistakes, which means yes I want you to actually answer the questions I'm asking. Unless the depth of your play really is "teehee I don't like this post, let's go shopping!" then you should be able to provide me with specifics.

While not in a mocking way, that is the level of my play right now. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

ALSO, this said, I'm not gonna go all "I suck" on you. I just feel a lot more in my element after we have a flip. I don't know, I suck Day 1. I like playing when I have something concrete to work with. I feel like D1 is a lot of "I feel like this!" because I struggle to see "scum-tactics" and "scum-motivation" when I don't really know what I'm looking at.

Really, so yeah, I don't know why you're asking questions. It's THAT simple.

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Ugh, yeah, it is. I've never had anyone question the fact that I just simply don't like something.

And it's weird, I feel like scum try really hard to act like they don't care. It looked like just that: that he was trying too hard not to hard.

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In an ideal, Bin's run world, we will lol-lynch Day 1 always and stop caring so much Day 1. I hate Day 1. I'd rather randomize a number, pick the lynch, let it form, and then voila!

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I don't see anything worth replying to in MattP's "case"

Grats I'm an asshole. Tell everyone something they didn't know?

Didn't say you were an asshole.

Good job, reducing my argument to that. I said you appear to be trying too hard not to care.
And I still feel like you're doing that with this response.

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Reck.

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Sorry, I thought it was directed at me.

@Papa, I'm literally going on gut feelings with a ±50% error right now. Associations tells at this early in the game are useless, I only go for what I feel is right. Saying "I'm not gonna touch this wagon (even though it's on someone I think is super scummy!) because ____ is on it!" is silly.

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As scummy as AJ is Davsto's vote on him is beyond atrocious

I agree with this.

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That vote is horrendous.

WHY

no, seriously, why?

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Notty.

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If I said I thought you were scum, what would you say?

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Is this town or scum, Flame?

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I don't really know.

You're wrong is the first thing that comes to mind

Why is the second

I don't know, I thought you were town up until... 5 seconds ago and then I started to doubt myself. Now I don't know if I can just write you off as town.

Whatever, lock it away and save it for later.

Update: I think AJ is town-y. If someone asks me to elaborate I will respond with a string of emoticons.

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Wait, notty, what do you think about Reck?

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It's not shifting the fucking

why do i always stop reading when i get to this point in Reck's posts

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Wait, notty, what do you think about Reck?

I'm honestly not.

Seeing him do things is weird.

Gun to my head he's town but not town I'm inclined to want to work with.

okay, at least we're on a similar page there


bonus points

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I don't I was just thinking about it more in context and the whole "Where is Bins?" but then I get here and I feel like I wasn't reached out too and you said a few things that I got flashbacks to some of your scum games because they were pretty similar.

I don't think we're on a different page about anything, really, I didn't mean to word it like that. I'm just glad I can see your logic. I think Reck could be scum, but yeah, hard to read right now.

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actually I agree with Spiffeh

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It's not shifting the fucking

why do i always stop reading when i get to this point in Reck's posts

idk does the word fucking trigger u

does the word fucking what??? i'm sorry i didn't catch the last part?

I was trying to keep you/marq/mollie at arm's length because I'm worried one of you is scum.

As the game goes on I will probably just ignore that forethought altogether because I think otherwise I'm just going to sink in this playerlist.

I can understand that.

Is this town or scum, Flame?

I'm not sure what this means.

Your opinion of me, you didn't really state a clear town/scum. It was more just negative.

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BUT NS U WERE SCUM IN PVZ

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ckd is town but can we get rid of him

i don't like him

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what

it's valid

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Don’t like BINS play, but don’t think it is scummy, just a poor townie player

the fact he can say this without there being flips is disgusting

but probably town

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VOTE: davsto

Though I do feel like some of Nexus' points could prove to be true,

I feel like the only way we're going to get more info is to pressure it!

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god, I literally just argued why that logic is awful

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Choo choo.

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Why are all my scumspects replacing out

you scared them off

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how is this happening

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the two biggest wagons are stupid


i will vote myko

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the two biggest wagons are stupid


i will vote myko

You're a beacon of hope and effort for the game, bins. Never change. /s

i think scum are trying to lynch people that are town

/shrug

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the two biggest wagons are stupid


i will vote myko

No MattP is a leading wagon stay there.

But, what do you think about the contradiction Davsto brought up about ns?

I'm actually not as opposed to a MattP wagon as I thought i would be.


and one sec

p-edit — maybe, no. Eh. ONE SEC.

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Majority of the reason I voted you is that I'm townreading CDB, and you were the only person who was being voted by only townreads (granted it was one). Im not really paranoid because you know when I do get paranoid I'll start waffling all over the place regarding you and you also know if I was waffling I'd at least put the ball in your court.

I stated townreads yes which I realized didn't leave much open for discussion. A big part of it was because one of them was Marquis who, if scum, I wouldn't have wanted him to know I was already townreading him.

My first 3 townreads were Marquis, CDB, and Davsto.

The fourth one I added on was spiffeh.

After my reread, I added AJ, catboi, and blackberry.

I told bins do things or die and I hadn't been back in this game since because I have been in MD all weekend and this game was low on my priorities but while yes it does bug me, it's not alignment indicative and I know she will do things if I give her space which is why I am.

I've been out of step for ~reasons~ that don't really have anything to do with the game at hand.

Town-Marquis, Bins, Mollie, Davvyboy, Spiffeh, catboi

Mebbetown- Reck, MattP, Zito, flameaxe, ckd

UNVOTE:

Mollie can we go for scotmany

Matt feels underwhelming here in comparison to how he felt in Disney.

I think Nexus is, regardless of CDB's alignment, town, for similar reasons to why singer always has to read quadz right in f2f. His push on me is also terrible, but it feels more town-terrible than scum.

I kinda think flameaxe looks town. I like that, although he's really doing fuckall, he's still a presence.

I think I saw people saying this is ckd being ckd so I'm fine with leaning town on him.

I liked catboi but I don't particularly remember a lot of the reasoning behind it.

Gun to my head I am leaning town on reck but he is horrendously offbase so that could be wrong. I also need to go check mod error and see if his play here resembles that in any way shape or form but i am leaning town.

I liked davvyboy's early stuff and I don't think newer scum players would avoid the thread when stuff was going down like he did, I think they would be hocked up on newbscumdrenaline and try to stir the pot

I am going to guess the scumteam is

MattP
Scotmany
CDB
and one of Davvyboy/catboi

And then

VOTE: Mattp

What happened?

Spiffeh — this post?

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I want to get a reaction from MattP first. But the fact there hasn't even been a "reaction" yet is what is making me, you know, be more okay with the wagon.

Merry merry.

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Also I agree with Marquis ckd is not as town as I thought.

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Bins that is the post I was referring to but I misread it and no longer believe it is a contradiction.

The fact you admit to that is pretty town yay

reads

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Bins that is the post I was referring to but I misread it and no longer believe it is a contradiction.

The fact you admit to that is pretty town yay

reads

wait...he is town for admitting it

but I am not so town for bringing it to his attention?

you are not reading the game are you?

What I said about Spiffeh has nothing to do with you I just remembered something in the middle of that totally unrelated.

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i dislike literally every one of ckd's posts

I suppose I did take this wrong.

Either way, I don't like ckd's posts either but it is making me more upset to my stomach, I guess.

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wait which post do you want me to explain lol

the scumread on you or the townread on Spiffeh?

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"What I said to Spiff has nothing to do with you"

when you said the "fact you admit to it" what post of his were you referring to?

The one I quoted?!

He asked what I thought of a contradiction Dav brought up, I was like "This post?" because I was gonna say in that post I didn't see a contradiction, but he took it back and was like "Nah, b, I was wrong there was no contradiction" before I even said anything.

That's pretty town

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VOTE: mattP

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But, what do you think about the contradiction Davsto brought up about ns?

as much as I am into notsci being scum, this wasnt a contradiction. yes one post she said he was town....and the next post she said he (might be) part of a scum team...you did however, note 300 posts passed there in between said posts right? I mean my opinion can cage in 1 page without anyone posting anything..

it is posts like this that makes me wary of you...and not feel as good about the notsci wagon.

unless of course you are talking about some other contradiction that I am not seeing.

ckd, this?

yeah, i read this. i saw that you pointed it out. i never said you didn't.

and i saw spiffeh's acknowledgement to that.

i'm not scum reading you because i thought you didn't point that out.
and i'm townreading spiffeh because he accepted it, which he did.
and i said that was him "admitting to that was town"

idk am i supposed to thank you?? like i saw you pointed it out I'm not trying to discredit you and give credit to spiffeh that was never the point.

im glad spiffeh didn't fight you on it, or try and explain it. his "i'm sorry ckd you're right its not a contradiction i see that now"
was pretty town.

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tbh rereading that over makes me rethink that yeah ckd is town even tho i DO agree with marq, i don't like his posts because as much as he says I'm not reading, I'm pretty sure its 100% a misunderstanding.

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that response to BBM is pretty damn scummy

"it's valid"? really?

i don't see what your problem is?

word choice?

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mattp/mykonian/davsto/marquis

lynch here today, thx

minus marquis,

this is pretty much my list.

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rereading
ckd
i guess i can see the confusion

that you took this post:

"What I said to Spiff has nothing to do with you"

when you said the "fact you admit to it" what post of his were you referring to?

The one I quoted?!

He asked what I thought of a contradiction Dav brought up, I was like "This post?" because I was gonna say in that post I didn't see a contradiction, but he took it back and was like "Nah, b, I was wrong there was no contradiction" before I even said anything.

That's pretty town

as more of a "spiffeh took it back on his own" & because i didn't quote his response to you, but rather his response to me.

not what i meant,
but i can see how i gave off a "spiffeh realized this by himself"!!! feeling
but that wasn't really my main point anyways so i didn't feel the need to change it
the fact spiffeh TOOK IT BACK without a fight was town to me

ok i said that twice now i hope it is clear (y)

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that response to BBM is pretty damn scummy

"it's valid"? really?

i don't see what your problem is?

word choice?

"It's valid" is not particularly the route I would be taking if I were defending my position of openly wanting to lynch a townread.

yah

you're right

idk
bad word choice on my part, wasn't really what i was trying to convey

english is not my main language, even though I'm pretty good, its hard to find more complex words sometimes
ugh

"it's not a legitimate idea" is more what i was trying to convey

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*illegitimate

english is hard

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Bins - This feels like what I want to post when I'm scum getting harried over something that feels like it should be insignificant but they're actually right. BUT this is my first game with Bins (to my memory) and multiple people seem to be suggesting that playstyle clash could be a thing. Will probably revisit this on Day 2 when she has to deliver on promise of greater investment

Can you explain more about what your exact problem with my post is? The "I would make this post as scum" seems to cross me as a weird read from it.

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I would not bet the game on notscience and Marquis being town. Though I am townreading them right now, and wish to work with their reads, and bounce stuff off them, that's mainly because I'm learning to shut my paranoia up. I feel if this were me any other game I would be off the wall freaked out about Marquis right now, but lately I've been wondering if that's because I think I can read Marquis, or because Marquis literally ALWAYS looks like he's playing to his "scum meta" to me.

I'm holding back, I guess. I should do a readslist before this day ends.

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Lots of time to do stuff tomorrow. And I'm excited because there's lots to work with and it feels goooooood
Only skimmed so far. (y)

I love Davsto's avatar changes.

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Like what?

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CBD, I asked you a question before the lynch.

Can you get back to me on what it was you didn't like about the post you quoted from me?

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WHY DO I KEEP GETTING SLAPPED IN THE FACE

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Anyways, I'm going to make a wall-post tomorrow to make some boys in short pants very happy.

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Bins dw I know you're town

It's not even that it's the

"Bins who are you"
"Bins is just bad town"
"Bins is a non-entity"


cry

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True.

I guess D1 I was super sick of getting questioned or laughed @ every move I made.
I'm not confident D1 to begin with, so that didn't help.

If it makes sense, it's sort of bad of me to say this, but because I wasn't confident in my reads I didn't feel right to go "GUYS VOTE SC NOW NOW NOW I KNOW IM RIGHT EXAMPLE A B C WHY HE IS SCUM YA!" Same with Flame and Davsto. I didn't have evidence D1. Didn't really want people to sheep me if they didn't get the same vibes I did anyways.

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True.

I guess D1 I was super sick of getting questioned or laughed @ every move I made.
I'm not confident D1 to begin with, so that didn't help.

If it makes sense, it's sort of bad of me to say this, but because I wasn't confident in my reads I didn't feel right to go "GUYS VOTE SC NOW NOW NOW I KNOW IM RIGHT EXAMPLE A B C WHY HE IS SCUM YA!" Same with Flame and Davsto. I didn't have evidence D1. Didn't really want people to sheep me if they didn't get the same vibes I did anyways.

^^ I'm not really buying this because while you didn't want people to sheep you, you seemed to sheep everyone else. Folks, take a look at my 1754.

You spent a quantity of your time arguing with Zito rather than just answering his question about why you voted SC. It's paramount, especially on Day 1 to lay out a case just in that manner which you said above. It's okay to not be confident in your reads, but that doesn't absolve you from your refusal to add to the conversation. None of us that are town are certain of anything but our own Role PMs. You wasted a ton of time arguing rather than saying, "I think he is scummy because of this, this and this. I'm not confident that he is scum, but this is my feeling on him." That's all that's needed and you refused to do that. You were vague, you argued when folks pressured you to expound on what you felt was "awkward", and you did the exact thing that you didn't want others to do with you - sheeping.

tbh I never felt I was arguing with Zito until I mentioned that I felt his questions were going nowhere.

And even though I didn't clarify that my vote was on a weak feeling, I thought that was slightly obvious because I only had one reason. "I think he's scummy because of ___, and that's how I feel." is pretty much exactly what I was saying.

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VOTE: mattP

Bins:

what was the reason you voted MattP, ultimately?

I said it in the post earlier, but I wasn't liking how even though Matt was posting after his wagon formed, it was like he was avoiding responding to it altogether. I wanted to wait for a response from him before I voted, but then he never responded at all.

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@Starbuck,

and my definition of being a sheep is following someone with not a lot of reason other than "I like this person's logic, and I think they seem pretty town, so I'll jump on. Even though I don't have a lot of strong feelings myself." The only place I really did that was FlameAxe, when I "sheeped" Matt's case because I liked it. Although, the biggest reason for my Flame vote was Flame's response to it. I don't like thinking that I'm a sheep, unless I specifically state "I'm sheeping _____". I tend to like having my own reasons for voting or find myself in 100% agreement with someone else's argument.

p-edit: I'm going to the dentist's but I'll be back. I have to go back into stuff.
GIVE ME TIME I JUST GOT OUT OF BED.

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Also, I didn't mean to hype myself up. I'm not a God at this game. It's more that I suck D1 and I suck less D2.

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True.

I guess D1 I was super sick of getting questioned or laughed @ every move I made.
I'm not confident D1 to begin with, so that didn't help.

If it makes sense, it's sort of bad of me to say this, but because I wasn't confident in my reads I didn't feel right to go "GUYS VOTE SC NOW NOW NOW I KNOW IM RIGHT EXAMPLE A B C WHY HE IS SCUM YA!" Same with Flame and Davsto. I didn't have evidence D1. Didn't really want people to sheep me if they didn't get the same vibes I did anyways.

^^ I'm not really buying this because while you didn't want people to sheep you, you seemed to sheep everyone else. Folks, take a look at my 1754.

You spent a quantity of your time arguing with Zito rather than just answering his question about why you voted SC. It's paramount, especially on Day 1 to lay out a case just in that manner which you said above. It's okay to not be confident in your reads, but that doesn't absolve you from your refusal to add to the conversation. None of us that are town are certain of anything but our own Role PMs. You wasted a ton of time arguing rather than saying, "I think he is scummy because of this, this and this. I'm not confident that he is scum, but this is my feeling on him." That's all that's needed and you refused to do that. You were vague, you argued when folks pressured you to expound on what you felt was "awkward", and you did the exact thing that you didn't want others to do with you - sheeping.

tbh I never felt I was arguing with Zito until I mentioned that I felt his questions were going nowhere.

And even though I didn't clarify that my vote was on a weak feeling, I thought that was slightly obvious because I only had one reason. "I think he's scummy because of ___, and that's how I feel." is pretty much exactly what I was saying.

His questions were going no where because you refused to give him a straight answer.

idk I think my answer was pretty straight forward.

But ok.

[Bins]

VOTE: mattP

Bins:

what was the reason you voted MattP, ultimately?

I said it in the post earlier, but I wasn't liking how even though Matt was posting after his wagon formed, it was like he was avoiding responding to it altogether. I wanted to wait for a response from him before I voted, but then he never responded at all.

Oh, catboi, to add to this,

the other wagons were suck.

[Bins]

DAV BTW I WASN'T BEING SARCASTIC

I LOVE YOUR AVATARS

[Bins]

Ethan loved his family more than anything and would do anything for them. He truly regretted that his work kept away from them so long.

Votecount 2.02

Espeonage

(4): scotmany12, Papa Zito, Starbuck, Davsto

scotmany12

(1): ChannelDelibird

Starbuck

(1): Spiffeh

Papa Zito

(1): pirate mollie

Bins

(1): notscience

Not Voting

(8): xRECKONERx, Nexus, Espeonage, Flameaxe, curiouskarmadog, catboi, mykonian, Bins

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

wait is NS actually voting me

[Bins]

TL;DR THIS GAME SO FAR.

(you're welcome)

people who are pretty fucking town from the MattP flip (in no particular order):

Flameaxe

— Despite Day 1, Flame's vote of SC (123) doesn't feel like a bus. And for Flame to be MattP's only effort post doesn't feel like a bus either. Maybe it's the fact he's slightly dick-ish and the fact that I had slight scum-feelings about him D1... that in the back of my mind I could see MattP coming in, realizing SC scummed up his slot, so he decides to bus Flame. And Flame does unvote SC and never vote Matt. Even still, I don't think this gives me enough reason to be paranoid of Flame anymore. I think it's also important to note that Flame was one of the only people that stayed on the Matt wagon when it died out and other wagons go larger. THAT is probably the most town thing about him.

tl;dr Town.

Spiffeh

— Spiffeh's jump from AJ to Matt was town. Not to mention that was when the Davsto wagon and Mollie wagon were both gaining traction. That isn't a bus vote. Never.

tl;dr Town.

catboi

— His MattP jumps weren't bussing. Also,

It's actually super weird that davsto has people bearing down on him for doing nothing, but mattp is similar levels of bad and has caught way less heat for it

tl;dr Town.

notscience

—  Though I have seen notscience bus with a vote like 124 before, notscience is very much like Flame in the sense that he stayed on the Matt wagon even when Mollie/AJ/Flame wagons were all growing in size. Even after unvoting, he jumped BACK on MattP, even when wagon's were bigger at the time.

tl;dr obvtown as fuck?

——————

people who are probably town (actually pretty damn town, but there are somethings...):

pirate mollie

— Maybe I'm biased, but I'm still town-reading mollie from her interaction with me D1. If she's scum, then I really need to reconsider how soft I am when I play this game. I'm not going to lie, I skimmed over most of the Reck/Mollie fight after a while because I just struggled reading it. Mollie's stance on MattP was still that he was scum, even after he reached out to her and was like "BACK OFF EVERYONE, MOLLIE IS TOWN."

tl;dr mollie is town right now.

xRECKONERx

— Reck reads town to me, not just because of his stance on MattP. I could get paranoid of this slot easily, but I like a lot of the posts he's made in terms of how they align with my reads.

tl;dr fucking

scotmany12

— I'm not going to lie, I have no feelings about scot at all due to lack of interaction. Though his place with SC/MattP is town enough for me to throw him there until I actually get interaction with him.

tl;dr lean town.

ChannelDelibird

— is shifty, but less shifty than I thought before I ISO'd him. Eh. 576 is SLIGHTLY town, because I don't see that kind of post coming from scum very much. The real reason I town read him is because of in 1618 he votes Matt, even though he puts Matt as a null read. At that time, the myko and notscience wagon were at roughly the same amount of votes, because he doesn't like them as counter wagons.

tl;dr I still want him to respond to my question but his position on the MattP wagon is more town that I thought it was (considering it was one of the last votes).

——————

part of me really doesn't know:

Starbuck (but not really)

— Though, just by reading her posts, I get a bit of a town vibe. I want to say her effort is refreshing, but, then again, I don't know about her stances D1. Things like:

As for MattP, most everyone who I feel positively about is on his wagon. I've tried to go back through and I read the case that Spiffeh linked when I asked about SC. I just still didn't get that scumdar ping from SC that everyone else did. With MattP, I'm concerned about his disappearances, his lack of catch up, and generally just being absent. The same could be said about myself, but whether or not it takes me a few days to get through to catch up, I'm a woman of my word.

is something I would say about my scum buddy.

And then not really giving a read on SC but then rather attacking Mollie for her case make me a little wary. BUT THEN AGAIN, her D1 end-day stuff was pretty okay and strikes me as more town.

tl;dr eh. but at the same time wtf?

curiouskarmadog (but not really)

— I wanna say that CKD going all "I hate this lynch" right before DL is town af, but I've faked that before. It's still pretty town and then his opening today seems like a town thing to say because it's self-aware, at least. If I'm scum and my partner is getting lynched what do I do? a) don't post b) vote someone else c) bus d) buddy up to that fucking wagon and cry about how AWFUL it is.

tl;dr CKD could be scum, but I'm still gut-townreading him.

——————

people who are shifty:

Espeonage (AJ the Epic)

—  I actually didn't scumread AJ that much. And I actually found some of AJ's posts genuine, such as his read on me, which came from logic I felt was pretty town. But then again, his stance on SC and then Esp coming in with nothing to add on Matt/SC makes me feel that there's a good chance the slot could be scum.

tl;dr I have no reason to townread this slot anymore, minus MattP's stances on AJ.

Papa Zito

— 

I support the coug wagon btw I just don't think I'm needed there right now.

is a meh stance, but not too shifty at the same time. I think Papa Zito could be scum, but my main reason not to go all out on that is because my whole interaction with him had to do with my SC vote. I feel if he was up for indirectly defending SC, he would have done it earlier... or maybe, not that obvious.

Even though he was on the MattP wagon in the end, his vote was pretty ew if I think of it as maybe coming from scum.

I'm here zito. Let's lynch Matt. We won't have enough to support for notty or davstro, and I am not fond of the myk wagon.

you got it bro

VOTE: Mattp

With Brochat alliance this is essentially an intent to hammer. MattP get to claiming plz.

tl;dr I liked Papa Zito's pushing D1, but then again, his stance on MattP and SC is eh.

mykonian

— A little weird reading post 1211, trying to argue against catboi's point. His only votes Day 1, after being self-proclaimed lazy and not into the game, were a slight tunnel on mollie and then AJ, then back to mollie. This is not as strong as a read as I thought after ISO-ing him.

tl;dr not town, but I wouldn't be quick to call him scum either just from his AWFUL position re:Matt. Maybe he's not getting much from me, but I'm not getting a lot from him.

——————

people who are scummy ew:

Nexus

— There's not a lot in this ISO, but one thing that strikes me as odd is that Nexus didn't like SC's opening posts, yet didn't put him under the scum category. Usually when I find opening posts awkward, it's a red flag IMMEDIATELY. And notscience's posts bugged Nexus and he was voted for it. Other than that the ISO is empty. Liked the Davsto stance at first but now it's more ew when I think about it. Could be scum.

tl;dr Scummy. And empty!

Davsto

— Man, I really liked the sassy post from him though. Even still, posts such as:

Davsto what are your thoughts on MattP/SC?

They don't particularly stick out to me in memory, I'll ISO them.

and his general presence D1 was scummy. He also has one of the worst positions re:Matt wagon.


———————

MattP

— Nothing here is game changing, because SC was scummy, and MattP would have known that and would have been more likely to bus because of that. Important posts though:

Catboi
Spiffeh
Scotmany
Pirate mollie
Marquis
CDB

Are all obvtown

I'm doing some ISO'ing and then I'll engage more specifically

I would vote Aj over Davsto. I think Davsto's narrative for his disinterest in the game is genuine, whereas Aj is actively avoiding contribution to most aspects of the games but providing disingenuous and over-defensive reasoning for doing so.

Marquis

— his stance on MattP was balling.

[Bins]

OKAY, now I have to reread today.

[Bins]

actually Esp wagon could be scum driven, ehhrhhg...

[Bins]

why marquis

HMMM

Is this really THAT surprising?

-

catboi is really town and his reads after the MattP flip are A++

-

CBD reminded me I forgot to look at SC... that's big. I should of remembered to do that. Fuck, and apparently that should help with my Zito read. Dammit, I wanted to scumread Zito confidently.

-

Dav's 1786 is oddly town. I hate my life.

-

I agree with CBD's 1787, one of: Catboi, Spiffeh, Scotmany, Pirate mollie,

Marquis

, CDB make sense as being town. Which is scary, because I'm townreading all of these slots.

-

maybe I'm wrong about everything. i like mike's 1790

-

brb rethinking my life while I take a break

[Bins]

myko autocorrected to mike

Um why are people acting like SC would have left some cryptic or subconscious message about who his scum team is in like the first 200 posts of the game?

@mollie who do you want to lynch today?

man i hope you're right because its making me doubt everything

note

Starbuck, AJspeonage, Zito, mykonian. [are scum]

which isn't a bad list.

notty's points on reck aren't bad


pedit — did you see my point on CBD and what do you think

[Bins]

(that pedit was directed to notty)

[Bins]

how did Davsto make me question everything in 2 pages

zzz

SC's ISO gave me nothng to change my mind on my reads

HmmmHMM

[Bins]

VOTE: davsto

[Bins]

Sell me on it por favor

where is Davsto

[Bins]

impecable timing

[Bins]

uh why

[Bins]

I'll look over Catboi's scot post later. Someone remind me.

I'm gonna start rereading things though I srsly doubt I'm moving off of Davsto. In a game that apparently doesn't have vigs, Davsto type lynches need to happen earlier rather than later.

I feel this way.
I think there could be a chance Davsto's "gtfo" attitude is very newtown being wagoned. But something feels so off about it.
Of course, that's not as elaborate in my wording as Zito probably wants but it's seriously just "I don't think I'm ever going to feel okay with this slot."

[Bins]

Also, the amount of people brushing it off as "he's clearly genuine!!!!" is getting to me because I simply don't see it. I don't see how they could see it. And I think that's an easy stance that people could be taking on their buddy, though, I doubt they'd be as obvious about it.

[Bins]

i agree, lol

how are people saying they can't understand the davsto wagon

[Bins]

i'm 100% ok if you disagree with it

it has very weak reasons right now

but to not understand it?

[Bins]

i'm 100% ok if you disagree with it

it has very weak reasons right now

but to not understand it?

Why do you think the reasoning is weak?

I'm not sure what the better word is his.

Not weak, just not... uh, specific examples. Just his play in general. His attitude and his effort.

[Bins]

*here, not his.

[Bins]

YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK IT

unvote, vote: bins

This is the best option on the table rn after 2203

uhhhhh

[Bins]

flame what are you even talking about

why do you just want to shit on the things I HAVE DONE
also it's not "weak" — i even said it was the wrong word choice
so can you listen?
it's based on gut and what he HASNT done/acknowledged
to me that's less substantial than a post where he's outright saying "oh yeah Matt isn't scum guys!! don't lynch him!"!
and thats WHY i can understand why some people don't agree with the wagon
because its based on gut

jfc are you listening and reading what I've been saying or do you want to paint me as useless

[Bins]

i'm on the wagon because of both gut and the fact davsto hasn't done anything

gut because i don't like the way he's reacting

[Bins]

Yep

i don't see how you could possibly think this

pedit — i know i just don't like being called useless when i went back for a day and read up on this game, which is more than a good chunk of the playerlist right now
pretty much the best way to insult my play is call me useless

[Bins]

That's a pretty damn weak town tell considering her actual contribution has been next to nothing.

like wtf do you genuinely believe this

i don't know if i feel insulted or this is just infuriating

[Bins]

i'm on the wagon because of both gut and the fact davsto hasn't done anything

gut because i don't like the way he's reacting

gut also being like

what everyone is going "davsto's reaction is town!!" is what I'm getting scum vibes from

[Bins]

Newsflash: content can be empty. You can do stuff without doing anything. ITS LITERALLY THE POINT OF THE GAME FOR ONE FACTION

how was my content empty

[Bins]

what
the
fuck?!

[Bins]

Bins:

i'm on the wagon because of both gut and the fact davsto hasn't done anything

gut because i don't like the way he's reacting

So do you have a problem with why other people are voting for him then? Calling the entire wagon weak, then backtracking and saying you just meant you were voting for him based on gut, is perplexing me.

Plz respond

god how much i regret word choice
no i'm fine with people voting on gut / the fact davsto hasn't done anything

there were some votes i gave pause too

[Bins]

oops wrong too

[Bins]

agree with most of the stuff on Flameaxe, am solid on him being town myself, but I'm curious as to why you think this?

uhhh not looking back in detail i think it had to do with the fact the spiffeh wagon was also growing at the same time

[Bins]

are Flame and myko attempting to make me feel like I'm in Davsto's shoes to make me sympathize with him

[Bins]

@Bins

if I could direct your attention to 2307 - you're one of the people I'm townreading on that wagon and I really think it's unlikely to be a scum lynch. Would really prefer the lynch be someone else today.

I kind of saw this in his last post.

siiigh

I'll be back later

[Bins]

are Flame and myko attempting to make me feel like I'm in Davsto's shoes to make me sympathize with him

waht

play the game pls

back at ya

[Bins]

What kind of response is this? I would have expected some detail, like "this person is voting Davsto for this reason, and this is why it is weak."

Much elaboration needed.

uh

why
I summed up the wagon simply.
There you go!

Most people are voting Davsto cause he did nothing/his AtE seems fake/they don't like his reactions.

[Bins]

Also, I mean, he completely ignored the Matt wagon.

[Bins]

sorry I've fallen pretty far behind

catch up soon

[Bins]

uh

do you want me to respond to your case because i don't really want to

[Bins]

Oh I completely missed ckd's vote on CDB.

And I will admit that I think my hardcore town read of Bins was a little premature.

tbh the hardcore townread was freaking me out so if you're scum gj for pulling away before i called you out on it

[Bins]

VOTE: bins

mollie

i'm not scum

[Bins]

This implies that her thoughts were solid on MattP throughout the day, when a post like 1265 tells me otherwise.

my thoughts on MattP were never solid

my main reason for voting matt was i didn't like the other wagons,
i can't really say i ever scumread matt, i actually townread him for a little
it was only until i realized i had no reason to townread him and had reason to townread the other wagons that i voted him

this should be pretty clear

[Bins]

i don't see how you can call my Davsto vote sheep when i'm one of the few people that hasn't been off and on or off about him

i'm also like one of the first people to think Davsto was scum

discredit me some more
i don't see where i have every been "opportunistic", either
i have good reasons for all of my scum reads, be they not "solid" or whatever the word it is we want to use now
davsto is purely based on his reactions and lack of presence
esp. re him and the matt wagon because he was never even a figure commenting on it


i came on to post something in song contest and now I've wasting too much time
have to disappear again
midterm saturday

[Bins]

They don't particularly stick out to me in memory, I'll ISO them.

this is pretty much the only thing he ever said about matt

cmon

[Bins]

Espeonage (6):

Davsto

,

pirate mollie

,

Papa Zito

,

Starbuck

,

scotmany12, xRECKONERx

the composition of the Esp wagon is what bugs me the most

i went all "oh but, the composition of a wagon shouldn't stop you!!" but
i have three scummy reads on that wagon and 2 weak townreads
and 1 pretty ok townread

[Bins]

sorry for like hepta-posting but i feel my reads have flipped around a lot in the past few days as i realized that i really didn't take bussing as a serious enough option
i guess its cause i suck at bussing and never realize that some people are pretty good at it
a lot of my townreads have faded and I'm giving a lot of my scum reads more credit for town things they have done

[Bins]

WHAT I'M SAYING IS
THERE ARE A LOT OF WAGONS THAT INTEREST ME
IDK

I GUESS THAT'S BAD OF ME
but i count them on my fingers and I'm like
eh i wouldn't mind lynching you, you, you

idk if feel theres a lot of info to get
man i would even lynch notty right now because where the fuck is he? is this scum him? is he slipping by with that stupid matt vote D1 that is so much like bus votes i've seen from him before?


good reasons for every single player i would be ok lynching tho
so BITE ME

[Bins]

This is news to all of us.

can you not ?

[Bins]

The SC vote, the BBM vote, the eventual MattP vote, the Dav vote. All of them.

how are you calling my votes on scum opportunistic??

BBM i was like the second person to vote you and it was because your reaction rubbed me the wrong was
legit

and sigh Dav vote is the only "maybe" one if i see it from your POV

stop
BSing
ME

[Bins]

That sure was what I said.

and what i said? like literally in my readslist?

i wasn't sleeping you at all i don't even remember that post of yours

[Bins]

If you have good reasons, why don't you share them with the class?

i have,

I'm open to discuss any of my reads you have questions about

[Bins]

NONE OF MY READS ARE SHIT REASONS

THEY MAY BE WRONG
SURE

but you can't say they don't have reasons

[Bins]

this is stressing me out

i'm going to get back to studying before i spend 3 hours typing rants about how much i hate being lied about

[Bins]

QUICKLYNCH DAV?

Will be down for like a lot of others.
Probably not CBD, eh.
Maybe. Others are better.

And Mollie are you calling me or what?

[Bins]

the result should be claimed too lol

[Bins]

can we please lynch someone else now

[Bins]

I don't think I've ever wanted to rage like Reck.

BUT WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU GUYS HAMMER THE HIDER WITH A LEGIT CRUMB
AND HIDER IS A ROLE THAT CAN GET ANOTHER RESULT IN CAUSE IT CAN'T BE NK'D
UGH
WHY
THE
FUCK

[Bins]

I'm pretty much immediately scum reading every person who went "hammer him guys!"

seriously wtf

[Bins]

man even if Espe flips scum and was lying those posts are still fkn scummy

no town mentality should be "lets lynch the hider and not give him another night!!"

[Bins]

VOTE: Bins

DO YOU REALLY THINK I WOULD OF DONE THAT

AS SCUM

THINK LOGICALLY. BUD.

ESPE WAS DEAD I'M NOT THAT BAD AT THE GAME I WOULD OF SHUT MY MOUTH.

[Bins]

that said I like my chances for Reck town and will look at all the awful votes at the end of the Espe wagon

because they all look like "oh Espe is dead so let's bus easy by not believing his claim"

[Bins]

"oh Espe is dead so let's bus easy by not believing his claim"

Think that's a total of 2 people. Me and flameaxe? The rest stayed put.

don't think you will find all that much there, then. Suppose you are town, I think scum would wait to see how much damage you could cause post claim. I suspect it's the silent ones, on or off the wagon, that are fun to look at. Don't have any idea who they'd be.

no I mean people who also didn't back off him who were already voting for him
my reaction as town isn't "go go go lynch even faster" it's "can we please think about this?"

everyone voting me isn't thinking logically and/or being oppurtunistic cause I'm in an awful spot having believe esp.

[Bins]

everyone voting me isn't thinking logically and/or being oppurtunistic cause I'm in an awful spot having believe esp.

If I'd vote you I'd have a myriad of reasons which have nothing to do with esp.

shoot

[Bins]

actually ill do CBD

i got a whole rush of my "idfk" reads becoming really damn town after that lynch

VOTE: kmd

[Bins]

Votecount 2.15

Espeonage (9):

Davsto,

Papa Zito

, Starbuck,

scotmany12,

xRECKONERx,

catboi

, pirate mollie

, mykonian, Flameaxe
ChannelDelibird (3): notscience, Spiffeh, curiouskarmadog
scotmany12 (1): ChannelDelibird
Starbuck (1):

Espeonage

Davsto (1): Bins

Not Voting (1): Nexus

these people on the wagon are town yes

[Bins]

the fact that Espe had a set-up (keyword here) Reck investigate makes me think Reck is town

[Bins]

actually

unvote

pedit - idk i had a good reason to townread him but then i didn't want to bet my read on that anymore but them i ISO'd him and i don't know why he's scum other than maybe because he disappeared D2

Votecounter recognises unvote as a scummer so edited - Prozac

[Bins]

ill pick a vote tmmr i have to finish my anatomy hw

(yes notty you can make that joke here)

[Bins]

actually

VOTE: unvote

pedit - idk i had a good reason to townread him but then i didn't want to bet my read on that anymore but them i ISO'd him and i don't know why he's scum other than maybe because he disappeared D2

Then why vote for him before you ISO him? You're vote here is very suspect. (Unvote is bad too)

uh ok i don't see why either of those is bad

but ok

[Bins]

What's your reasoning for voting for kmd, bins?

Lol

see is this shit REALLY necessary?

[Bins]

uh i dont wnat to go with any like technicalities here but i didn't even see your post before i unvoted, only in p-edit

i don't see why voting someone, then checking a read, then unvoting when you realize you don't actually think they're that scummy is that bad ?

if you really want i will quote the posts of CBD that i liked but I'm pretty sure I've already done that

[Bins]

his day2 turned out to be a lot less meh as i remembered

like idk what to say
but i don't think I've ever felt so "i really can't see why you guys are scum reading me" in a game
like i honestly feel super obvtown

but what do i know

[Bins]

that said i don't like scot's pointers about me they feel too easy
too fake-able

i feel too easy

everyone please get off me and realize what you are doing
there are logic slips some people are making that just aren't town ugh and this is the same for what i mean end of day 2

[Bins]

What logic flips?

And voting someone you don't even think is scum, instead of responding to the pressure on you, is scummy.

PEdit: this was directed at bins

I was down to pressure the replace in because of what I thought I thought I guess, okay. I mean, I disagree with myself that's why I unvoted.

[Bins]

"oh Espe is dead so let's bus easy by not believing his claim"

Think that's a total of 2 people. Me and flameaxe? The rest stayed put.

don't think you will find all that much there, then. Suppose you are town, I think scum would wait to see how much damage you could cause post claim. I suspect it's the silent ones, on or off the wagon, that are fun to look at. Don't have any idea who they'd be.

no I mean people who also didn't back off him who were already voting for him
my reaction as town isn't "go go go lynch even faster" it's "can we please think about this?"

everyone voting me isn't thinking logically and/or being oppurtunistic cause I'm in an awful spot having believe esp.

Where do you get the idea that it was "lynch faster"? Weren't we at like 36 something hrs left till deadline? That's far from a quick lynch.

I didn't back off him because Espe was scummy as fuck, but yet, no one else seemed to really call him out on it, except for Davsto. I thought it was pretty well thought out for the most part.

Do you wanna do some lynch analyzation for us, rather than this vagueness? Like who are the people that you are referring to when you say "people who also didn't back off him who were already voting him"? What connections do you see?

I can empathize with you because I was in the same boat when it came to MattP.

I'm planning on doing analysis again but it'll have to be after Thursday because I have two big midterms this week. I shouldn't even be on Mafia right now, I just have a little time before bed.

I mean it "went faster" as in it didn't stop. I expected it to have a little big of a tug backward. A "wait a minute." But instead it felt like it was pushed forward.

[Bins]

What logic slips, bins?

Uh, if I'm really going to go all "this is why I'm obvtown and you're scum for not realizing it" and self-analyze myself, okay...

I've never done this before I don't know how kosher it is. heck I have nothing to lose.

1) why would I act like I did after Espe was already dead
2) why would I unvote CBD
3) why wouldn't I just lurk and cry and hope this wagon dies out on me
4) why would I vote MattP when there were other wagons at the time (2!)


like I'm seriously so town right now
maybe not good
fine BBM call me useless
Or CDK call me bad town but
I'm pretty town. And I'm almost immediately suspicious of anyone who isn't seeing this.



slips in logic not related to me:

1) why were there only two of us going "GUYS HES A FREAKING HIDER WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU QUICKHAMMERINH?"
2) why is Reck scum

also why didn't scum shoot Mollie/Star they were both pretty town with that flip eh..

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QUICKLYNCH DAV?

Will be down for like a lot of others.
Probably not CBD, eh.
Maybe. Others are better.

And Mollie are you calling me or what?

Did you forget that you didn't even want to lynch CDB yesterday, after the Espe claim? Are you saying somewhere in the night phase you had a complete change of heart, thought CDB was scummy, and then after you ISOd him after your vote, you disagreed with yourself?

This is @both of you I like pressuring people that replace in

That was 50%
The other 50% is that I realized I could have been wrong about CBD
so I vote
checked
Realized I didn't like it

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I don't remember Espe lying.

If he did that changes everything.
Sort of. Eh.


That night was too late I need to read it again. I just really liked the crumb.

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anyways

vla til Thursday

I won't even be opening the site during this time.

have fun
if you lynch me
I think notscience could be scum and maybe Nexus but I wanna read through to actually see how likely that is.
And also I'll forgive you.
Minus BBM.

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I still don't see a lie?

Like when did he say he was a cop?

Man, Espe looked legit to me.

Anyways, night.

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Bins, look up. I quoted everything.

Yeah I see that but I still don't see a lie

Maybe my reading comprehension sucks isks

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Hider is an investigative role?

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This is @both of you I like pressuring people that replace in

That was 50%
The other 50% is that I realized I could have been wrong about CBD
so I vote
checked
Realized I didn't like it

I just looked at your iso. People you didn't pressure after they replaced in: MattP (dropped all your suspicion of SC after the replacement), Mykonian, and Espeonage. Not once.

VOTE: Bins

I don't do it every time...
I do it when I have no where better I've found yet. (After Thursday.)

This is what I mean by where are you even coming from?!

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Man this feels like my newbie games

Every vote feels like a slap in the face
And I immediately want everyone who voted me to die because they have to be scum

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Mollie is no longer town.

Tbh that vote is awful
Scot's feels opportunistic and reachy

Gj guys when I come back on Thursday I'll be scumread half the player list

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This is @both of you I like pressuring people that replace in

That was 50%
The other 50% is that I realized I could have been wrong about CBD
so I vote
checked
Realized I didn't like it

I just looked at your iso. People you didn't pressure after they replaced in: MattP (dropped all your suspicion of SC after the replacement), Mykonian, and Espeonage. Not once.

VOTE: Bins

I don't do it every time...
I do it when I have no where better I've found yet. (After Thursday.)

This is what I mean by where are you even coming from?!

Like how does this make ANY sense?!
I immediately drop all my reads a good "OOOU REPLACEMENT LETS VOTE THEM!!!"

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Thanks I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT

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Hider is 1000000% an investigative role

Espe shouldn't have been quicklynched like that

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I really don't get what you're saying

I don't see how Espe "lied"
I don't see why anyone should have thought he was lying

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I'm defending

1) me because I have every reason not to believe it
2) attacking the people I think are scum which are in the people who didn't believe the claim instead of immediately doubting it. his buddy was definitely in there.

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*to believe it, not not

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That's what I want to get to analyzing.


But I'm in bed on my phone right now if I give you answers I will be pulling them from my ass.

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Sigh.

Scot's post is fine.
Yeah, okay. You make decent points and I'm happy you didn't call me useless.

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To be honest, I feel like people should just see that I'm town because of how I'm acting.
I don't know. I feel really town.

But ofc that's wrong of me.
I know some people will see that I'm definitely town (thank you), but I get some people won't.
I don't really know what to say to you. My only thing is "I voted CBD slot cause I wanted to go somewhere before I reread on Thursday to get involved early D3." That's it.

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I'm just sick of being called obtuse/useless, lmao.
And having BBM "lol" at half the things I do.

I play this game to have fun not be poked at. Realize that I could be town and therefore telling the truth when I say I'm trying my best so when you say "she's useless" and "she's obtuse" it sort of gets to me. Cool? Thanks!

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I'm half asleep lol sorry if I was really rambling.
Night!!!!

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Ok Starbuck I understand but I won't fully see until I reread it anyway so I guess I should shut up lmao and stop being stubborn

And Scot because I wanted to pressure the replace in sorry idk


zzzzzzzzzzzzzpmx
Ok no more questions

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UNVOTE

I think I know where you're coming from with this and that's town.

oh no, davsto, we are way beyond that point. If she were scum and that was where those posts originated, after the way the lynch went yesterday she would have been well aware that she'd get flak for it and tried to make up for it by going balls deep on the topic. Today, it won't be a sign of some subconcious defending of here buddy, it would be a concious choice to gain a bit of a townread from the situation by taking the unpopular stance and running with it. There's a lot to be said for it, tbf, between the fact that she did seem to try to catch that issue early this day and that she does seem a bit stuck in this debate.

But I don't dare to call if this annoyance is played or real and obviously it's part of the question whether she's choosing to continue that discussion or feels the need to. Answer that question and you know bins's allignment, I think.

I am perfectly happy having this day go a while, the three existing wagons interest me. About the CDB wagon, I think we have to take into consideration that this was CDB. Flaking is a known risk, and I don't know if it's really allignment indicative for him. Hence, I could happily give KMD a day to make something happen, get another angle on reading that slot.

Shutting down Dav with a post like this is town as well.

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I'm getting to the point where I want to vote mollie and I haven't looked back at anything yet.

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I have a question

Why am I scum

I actually can't remembered if I answered this. I don't think you've given me a good reason to townread you this game.

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wtf

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Man, that attack was so bad I'm not even offended.


Can someone with experience with Mollie tell me if that's a town or scum reaction from her? I'd like opinions.

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If you are town, I have seriously lost all respect for you as a player.

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I'm kind of hoping that attitude can only come from scum.

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I don't like personal attacks in a game. Period. When did I say any of the other stuff is okay?

I especially don't like people saying "you're bad you should quit this game." I didn't want to read the Reck/you argument for that reason. And I didn't like it when you were scum reading me and I said I was town, but at least I have it in me not to go "YOU'RE SO BAD QUIT THIS GAME YOU CAN'T."

Spiffeh, it was literally these past few pages (that's why I said, "not reading back") where she hasn't been playing as town at all and now she's doing this. I wanted to vote her for her vote because it was so god awful. I wasn't expecting that response at all. And I don't even want consider that coming from town Mollie but I guess I have to.

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Like it was more of a dropped "what the heck was Mollie's vote" comment. Sort of like NS.

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Like it wasn't even about the role or anything about before this day. It was her "everyone stop sucking" attitude and "how are you so bad at this game?" It wasn't about her alignment but "if I ignore everything else, this is so bad. So mean. I'll vote you because you're being so unhelpful." That's why that response was so surprising. I felt like my comment was pretty empty and to draw that sort of response was surprising. That's why I want people to tell me what they think of it.

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Like it was more of a dropped "what the heck was Mollie's vote" comment. Sort of like NS.

do you mean notty?

Yeah.

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I especially don't like people saying "you're bad you should quit this game."

You didn't seem to really care when people were saying that to me. j/s.

I don't recall anyone saying that. I'm sorry if I missed it.

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Okay, but you were lurking and if you weren't going to contribute, you should consider replacing out.

It's not like a "you're bad and your reads suck, replace out."

It's still not okay, but I mean, don't tell someone to quit the game because you disagree with them.

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Okay, but you were lurking and if you weren't going to contribute, you should consider replacing out.

It's not like a "you're bad and your reads suck, replace out."

It's still not okay, but I mean, don't tell someone to quit the game because you disagree with them.

but its okay for ckd to make what is actually a personal attack towards me which went beyond my reads?

WHEN DID I EVER SAY IT WAS OKAY


I am not okay with attacks. Period.

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Man, I forgot about SK being really likely.

This changes a lot. Doh.

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Uhhh please tell me, oh arbiter of truthiness, how I definitely couldn't have felt so certain about Espe? Because I wouldn't have hammered that claim in a million fucking years. Let me play this game again, I'd do it the same.

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I don't think your reaction made sense for someone who was going back and forth on Espy all day.

It really does. I could be scum reading someone really hard and if they claim hider and have it that built up I would let them live another day.

And you're willing to believe that Espe had a SETUP (man, I would believe it if it was pulled out of his ass as a gambit) "investigative innocent" on his buddy? I guess I could see it. But ughgh... what if we had believed his claim and Reck wasn't NK'd and then we lynched one of them and they flipped scum? That would be horrendous for them.