Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[Davsto]

VOTE: Bins because ur trash

hehehe

puns

[Davsto]

^look at this guy trying to start a reck counterwagon

counterwagon best wagon

[Davsto]

mollie i thought u were hydraing with frog

we were and now we aren't.

is it bc you got scum and froggy didn't want to play scum w/ you?

it isn't fair to expose my seekrit psychick powahz in this way reck. pple might check the sign-ups and notice that he outed before roles were sent!

vote stands

I was about to say this.

Frogging Mollie became just Pirate Mollie before Role PMs.

[Davsto]

This is like a straight old school game.....me, Reck, SC, CDB, CKD, Zito. Nice.

I feel out of place.

[Davsto]

I am here dave!

You've been here like 3 years longer than me

*walks over to Spiffeh instead*

[Davsto]

I am fairly certain Davsto is town.

how?

[Davsto]

okay so who the butts is BBM?

[Davsto]

BBM
Flameaxe

?????

I see no correlation

[Davsto]

So nothing has happened still? Neat.

[Davsto]

UNVOTE: I need to remember to remove RVS votes

[Davsto]

Why keep the vote? Nothing's happened, thus the vote was useless. No reaction, nada.

[Davsto]

Davsto what has to happen for you to involve yourself? I think enough has happened for you to share your thoughts on.

The weekend needs to end so that my brain starts working properly again.

[Davsto]

I agree, my lack of activity is odd even for me. I'm gonna read through this game from the start sometime within the next four hours or so, I need to do something.

[Davsto]

Okay I hate saying this because I inevitably get judged for it but fuckit, I'm really not in the right mind to read through this much because I'm tired and fatigued and bleeeehhhhh

I'll try to do it tomorrow. Try.

[Davsto]

Okay I hate saying this because I inevitably get judged for it but fuckit, I'm really not in the right mind to read through this much because I'm tired and fatigued and bleeeehhhhh

I'll try to do it tomorrow. Try.

guys Davsto needs some motivation can people plz provide him some motivation

Too tired and fatigued and bleeeehhhhh to be motivated, sorry. I'll come back with something notable within 24 hours, I promise.

[Davsto]

I'll get to reading this through in approximately 4 hours. There's a decent risk of me coming up with a massive postwall which I'll actually proofread to make sure I didn't fuck up the quoting for once.

[Davsto]

Please note the colon.

Also useful advice if you're a gastroenterologist.

[Davsto]

Please note the colon.

Also useful advice if you're a gastroenterologist.

you probably need to do some things. like in the next cple of hours or NOW wld be much more preferable.

Like I said, in (now) about 2 and a half hours and a bit probably. I'm not in the right mind (and not the time) to read through 20 pages right now. Sorry.

[Davsto]

But you have enough time to post fluff like that?

Yes, because posting a silly pun takes just as much time and effort and requires the same sort of mindset as reading through 20 pages and quoting and commenting on interesting things I see.

[Davsto]

Man, Davsto, your ISO is weak as hell. There's no substance, at all.

Well noticed.

[Davsto]

Seriously, I've noted several times that I'm unable to read through the game right now. I will do in a couple of hours. You have my permission to pester me if I don't deliver, but please leave me alone right now.

[Davsto]

Seriously, I've noted several times that I'm unable to read through the game right now. I will do in a couple of hours. You have my permission to pester me if I don't deliver, but please leave me alone right now.

If you can't do it right now, that's fine and dandy. However, you continue to post and not add a damn thing to the game. You easily respond to whatever is going on or start a re-read with all the time that you are taking to say how you can't keep up.

I can't comment on the gamestate or ask questions about it when I have no fuckin clue on what the gamestate is

anyway I've got about 50 minutes before I need to leave so I'ma read through as much as I can and comment on what I see. Let's go!

[Davsto]

I get a gut feeling when I read your posts.

And you questioning my read rather than accepting it makes that much more confident!

(As confident as I can be on page three)

People who super quickly townread me always give me a shaky worrying feeling.
*skips several pages of jokey bs*

Spoiler: spiffeh's 5 posts in iso

VOTE: Reck yay wagons!!

@Marquis you played like half of Day 1 of a game on Smogon a long time ago right?

ChannelDelibird why don't you like the Reck wagon?

Us after '10 joiners needs to stick together if we want to live!!!!

Dav come join your brethren on the Reck wagon we have cookies.

I am fairly certain Davsto is town.

AJ is a little TOO overboard with the trolling so he could be scum.

I still like wagons though so I'm not leaving this one.

I get a gut feeling when I read your posts.

And you questioning my read rather than accepting it makes that much more confident!

(As confident as I can be on page three)

VOTE: spiffeh

this is fairly awful reasoning in theory but like. this really doesn't strike me as a town game entrance. it's really enthusiastic and all "!!!" and stuff, which yeah can be town, but it just

feels

more like new-to-this-environment scum than town, primarily due to the much greater game investment that scum has at gamestart than town does

now go on, attack me for that

Marquis gets townie points for actually making a serious post with a decent point.

How does that disprove what I'm saying anyway?

I just recall you being a real stickler to get people talking in the last game we were in together and I doubt you would have let me get away with "because it's a tell" or something similarly shitty.

Spiffeh makes nice good points, awesome.

catboi is town.
blackberry likely town.
spiffeh could be town. (reread post 60 for the 3rd time in context and i'm liking it a lot more, even more than i liked it reading it the 2nd time)
notscience could be town.
i want to believe nexus is town. this is a townread on him with shoddy mysterious feels.

this is a cumulative townread list covering everything i've read so far, not just a result of recent posting.

for page 6 it's actually really disappointing.

also while i can i'm at it i'm going to shortly mention how i disliked aj's 24 ("oh no my scumpartner" post). i'd rather not go in-depth into it or drag it out because the tell is unreliable but well. i just wanted to mention it FOR THE RECORD. kk

This has way too many townreads for my liking. This post makes me feel uneasy.

I think Reck is town for actually questioning Marquis' read of me when I'd expect scum in his position to jump at the earliest opportunity to back a "real" case (even if it was weak).

I think scotmany's vote on SC is pretty bad.

VOTE: scotmany

Your mom is pretty bad

Pretty sure this is about the third time scot has made a "ur mom" joke instead of, you know, an actual point. This isn't nice.

After a reread, I have 7 townreads.

D:

VOTE: StrangerCoug

Reasoning in my last post. Maybe you'll do more with more pressure?

VOTE: spiffeh

You're calling SC's vote weak but then you vote with the "Maybe you'll do more with pressure"? Can you just claim scum for us?

Dammit AJ, you stole my point!



Post just to let you know I'm halfway through reading. I'm kinda tired but this is more for me to get my head into the gamestate so I don't care about making little sense. I promised I'd do it now so I'm doing it.

[Davsto]

And this is the point where I give up reading because fuckit I have less energy than half a stick of celery.

Moral of the story is: pay attention as the game happens, rather than neglecting and then catching up. Sorry. I'll probably read the rest tomorrow.

[Davsto]

I think I have a decent idea of the game now, I've sorta slipped in. I'll try and be more town, but ya know.

VOTE: AJ I'm not liking him much.

[Davsto]

All these people saying "I'd vote Davsto" but not actually backing up that claim rub me the wrong way. Comes across as scum trying to see how viable a wagon on me would be without having to actually commit to it.

[Davsto]

Davsto you admit yourself that you haven't been acting too town-like and then are suspicious when people want to vote you for it?

DO SOMETHING PLEASE

Nonono

People voting me? Fine. Loads of people going "who's in for a Davsto lynch" "man I want to vote Davsto" "hm who else would vote Davsto?" "are people agreeing with me on Davsto?" whilst I have a total of zero votes on me? Ew.

[Davsto]

All these people saying "I'd vote Davsto" but not actually backing up that claim rub me the wrong way. Comes across as scum trying to see how viable a wagon on me would be without having to actually commit to it.

Hey

Did you know that a scumteam implies more than one person?

Hey

did you see how several people appear to be quite shaky on who they're voting?

[Davsto]

Add Davsto to the vig pile. Someone, anyone, please. I'll give you a cookie. Or a handjob. I'll give a cookie a handjob. How's that for motivation.

uh let's see

4-5 people are engaging in some good, adversarial discussion and are developing reds

you come in yelling like a police siren for us to shut it down and tunnel on your lone scumread?

Now I want to wagon him more.

VOTE: AJ

uh

He's yelling at you for asking us to wagon AJ

So I wagon AJ

yes?

Because it's such a solid position when you wagon someone because someone else told you not to.

[Davsto]

Wheeee

Let's hope my bf Ryan saves me or something, wouldn't want him to be lonely in this hotel.

[Davsto]

This whole Reck/mollie argument is making this game real fuckin hard to get into.

[Davsto]

I don't have the motivation though, I read through 30 pages and got nothing from it.

I vote someone I scumread? Get accused of scum for it. Honestly say I can't get into the game at points? Get accused of scum for it. Fuck am I supposed to do?

[Davsto]

I don't have the motivation though, I read through 30 pages and got nothing from it.

I vote someone I scumread? Get accused of scum for it. Honestly say I can't get into the game at points? Get accused of scum for it. Fuck am I supposed to do?

Find a way to get into it?

Oh man, I wish I'd thought of that!!!!! I didn't try that, thanks for the useful advice!!!!

[Davsto]

Fuckit, I'll try giving a brief readslist but ya know. Incoming!

[Davsto]

Flameaxe - Concern about me is genuine, gonna lean town.
mollie/Reck - Either TvT or TvS, unless they're opposing scum factions in the chance that it's multiball. Cannot see these both knowing that they are the same alignment. Not sure about singular reads, but that's for sure.
AJ - I've got a pretty bad view from a lot of his posts, hence the read.
Nexus - Town for coming in late and providing a list of reads totally at odds with the popular consensus.
Spiffeh - Town for helping me when I'm just struggling rather than trying to get me lynched into oblivion for it.
Zito - I've expressed my reasoning for him being scum, his vote on me following that helps him not-at-all
scotmany - his "your mom" jokes are terrible fluff and ew.

Main things that stuck in my mind, those were.

This whole Reck/mollie argument is making this game real fuckin hard to get into.

To explain why, whenever I get to this in the last few pages, I go on and start scrolling through and go "oh look there's mollie shouting at Reck [or vice versa] and my eyes just gloss over and I scroll through without taking anything in.

[Davsto]

WAIT NOW I CAN SAY IT CAUSE IT ENDED

I WANT GREATER IDEA DAV BRING THAT GUY TO THE THREAD

You'll hopefully get it in a day or two once I get back to sleeping well and IRL shit stops bothering me as much. Really sorry.

[Davsto]

Not liking curiouskarmadog's post that he made a few pages back. A lot of his comments that he made on things... basically meant nothing. Looks like he's trying to appear to help but is actually just saying a whole lotta nothing.

[Davsto]

Wheeee

Let's hope my bf Ryan saves me or something, wouldn't want him to be lonely in this hotel.

Actually I might as well ask this: Davsto, what did you mean by this post?

Flavour crap, wanted to see how people potentially reacted.

[Davsto]

Man, Davsto, your ISO is weak as hell. There's no substance, at all.

True story.

Seriously, I've noted several times that I'm unable to read through the game right now. I will do in a couple of hours. You have my permission to pester me if I don't deliver, but please leave me alone right now.

then quit posting fluff in the game. (Starbuck said the same in 482)

He seemed to get overly aggressive and defensive for ....

boom, this is also something scum says a lot. do you really think scum are more defensive than town?

Why do you refuse to comment on the SC wagon then, cause if he was framing you, then both spiffeh and SC would have to be scum together. You can't really accuse spiffeh of trying to frame you, unless of course you know SC's alignment, but there is only one way for you to know that.

this is a good point.

For the record I still think the SC slot is probably the best lynch today. .

WHY?

In all honesty I am leaning towards flipping mollie to town and booting cdb.

fuck ya more friends...and wait...say what now? you are taking a side...

lets explore this. why boot CDB? In the mollie vs. CDB arguement, why boot CDB what has he said that makes you feel he is scum?

(EDIT: post 577…LOL, well you ALMOST fucking took a side)

Add Davsto to the vig pile. Someone, anyone, please. I'll give you a cookie. Or a handjob. I'll give a cookie a handjob. How's that for motivation.

Now I would agree with this, even the cookie handjob. Can we be twinsies again?

A lot of this stuff, I jut don't really see it saying much.

[Davsto]

page 20.

One whole townread. What is this game?

A mess.

Wheeee

Let's hope my bf Ryan saves me or something, wouldn't want him to be lonely in this hotel.

Actually I might as well ask this: Davsto, what did you mean by this post?

Was this the townread thing you mentioned a few pages back?

I'm pretty sure I mentioned, it was flavour stuff. Wanted to see how people reacted.
On that note, catboi gets townie points for being the first (and basically only) one to notice it, they're actually paying attention and I like that.

Davsto what are your thoughts on MattP/SC?

They don't particularly stick out to me in memory, I'll ISO them.

[Davsto]

Because I skimread, quite simply.

[Davsto]

Yeh, nothing stood out to me. At all. This was the only really notable thing I didn't like.

- You respond with post 132 which tells me jack shit about what you think of me now that your original argument is void, and lies about me not posting immediately (8 MINUTES is not immediate enough apparently) to boot!

Posting, then coming back to it eight minutes later ≠ immediately. I am not going to fight semantics with you..

Am I just shit or was all the fuss about nothing?

[Davsto]

Regarding the Zito thing, context is these posts and the fact that Zito was constantly like "can I vote Davsto"/"can we wagon Davsto" at this point.

All these people saying "I'd vote Davsto" but not actually backing up that claim rub me the wrong way. Comes across as scum trying to see how viable a wagon on me would be without having to actually commit to it.

Davsto you admit yourself that you haven't been acting too town-like and then are suspicious when people want to vote you for it?

DO SOMETHING PLEASE

Nonono

People voting me? Fine. Loads of people going "who's in for a Davsto lynch" "man I want to vote Davsto" "hm who else would vote Davsto?" "are people agreeing with me on Davsto?" whilst I have a total of zero votes on me? Ew.

As for scot's AJ case, it's pretty good imo, on a quick read.

[Davsto]

My play, regardless of alignment, tends to vary largely based on circumstance, both in-game and MeatWorld related. Saying that it "doesn't look like town you" means nothing, I'm afraid.
I didn't say exactly whom at the time because I felt it was fairly obvious.
And as for the SC thing, I already addressed that here.

Yeh, nothing stood out to me. At all. This was the only really notable thing I didn't like.

- You respond with post 132 which tells me jack shit about what you think of me now that your original argument is void, and lies about me not posting immediately (8 MINUTES is not immediate enough apparently) to boot!

Posting, then coming back to it eight minutes later ≠ immediately. I am not going to fight semantics with you..

Am I just shit or was all the fuss about nothing?

[Davsto]

Tell me what's notable, because I sure as hell couldn't see it.

[Davsto]

I want to know your read of that slot.

My read would probably be "meh".

Zito had voted for you before he switched to aj, so I found it pretty obvious he thought you were scummy. Town try to determine how strong a wagon will be all the time, especially in day 1. So I don't really follow your thought process there.

And I made two "your mom" jokes last friday night, within an hour and a half of each other, when I'm pretty sure I was drinking. I have since commented on other things, even changed my vote from Matt to AJ. The only thing you have to say about me is that I made two "your mom" jokes?

Please respond to this.

And there is so much more surrounding SC. Him and Spiffeh went at it for quite a few pages. It really seems like you are just lying about having read the game.

Response: the "your mom" jokes were the main thing I noticed from your slot. Thus, I commented on it.
As for the SC/Spiffeh back and forth, as I said, I didn't really notice it that much. Accuse me of lying all you will, but that ain't gonna change what I read.

[Davsto]

If I didn't really note anything the first two times I read through, the amount of times you tell me to "make something out of it" isn't gonna change jack.

[Davsto]

Jesus, this readslist. It looks nice at first glance, but when you look closer at a lot of the reasons, they're barely reasons. All holders bits are questions @Mollie.

zito - this is a hard read to explain. except that I feel like we are naturally falling into step which is a really good sign and nothing he has done has made me jumpy and I like where his head is at. strong townread.

Basically just "he feels right".

ckd - I think he is gnarly, grumpy, "get off my lawn!" old man town, he reminds me a bit of dramalama but he seems to be more hands on then dram is. I look forward to post game discussion. I feel like he is really trying to figure things out and sort the game in some kind of manageability. strong town.

This is a half-decent reason, okay, I'm not omitting any, though, id like to see how many are barely justified.

notty - his jumpiness is well-timed and his reactions seem authentic and look like they are coming from a place of trying to orient himself in the game and feeling out the players he knows best. I liked his early poking at bins but I am little disappoint/worried that he didn't do much with it. I have some paranoia niggles only cos some of his posts to me feel like scum!mala and I know they are close but eh, its not a good idea to read him based off of mala's play. so treating as town and hoping he is. I just thought that after ff7 our dynamics wld be a bit stranger.

Okay this is alright too.

bins - I feel like this town!bins. our exchanges gave me a good feel about her.

Okay this isn't a reason.

Why do your exchanges give you a warm feel?

marquis - I want to say town. I am slightly paranoid of her, and some of it is cos I wonder if ckd is seeing something that I am not but even if I squint my eyes and look really hard do I kind of see where he is coming from but the thing is none of that points to scum!marquis. treating as town and hoping she is.

Again, this is explained but there's no real reason for it either way.

Why are you paranoid abput Marq? Why are you treating Marq as town despite this?

spiffeh - I think he is town and I am really quite sure why pple are going after him when there is a lot scummier behaviour going on in the thread.

Why do you think he's town?

unsure

flame - loved him for town right up until he said that he did not want to lynch dave for reasons that I don't really follow. unsure.

Okay, so you had him as town until he disagreed with a wagon on me, and that drops him allllll the way to null? This feels like "you disagree with my thoughts so you're scummy".

catboi - I like his posts and I like his stances but his vote on me and quick jump off was weird plus I am feeling vague paranoia cos he is kind of being nice to me ever since. unsure, with slight townish leanings.

This one's alright though.

scotty - I liked the ur mom jokes, I like where his head is at, at times but he is moving the game forward at a crawl. very unsure. mebbe it just takes time for him to get his head in the game. I know a lot of players like that.

So... it's acceptable for him to take a while to get his head in the game?

Aren't you scumreading me for that reason?

myko - WHAT. WAS. THAT. POST.

Yeh...

What post? Why?

unsure and I feel pretty weird about them!

nexus - this isn't grumpy, cranky nexus and he has not said fuck or bullshit once. it is freaking me out. I don't know him super well, we had a bonding moment over

Black Mirror

but unfortunately that doesn't help me in mafia. cdb is townreading him so eh, if cdb were to flip town I wld treat that read like gold but for now he is very unsure.

You're scumreading because he hasn't swore yet. That's new levels of meta rubbish.

cdb - I am not sure if I even have words. his push on me is AWFUL and I don't like him saying "ignore this" when I am trying to say that if cdb does his big eyes/lower lip quiver then lynch him. I mean I fall for it all of the time which makes me want to beat him with various sized pillows. I may even have done this once or twice. I dunno we will see. wildly unsure.

Okay, a reason, neat, I was missing them.

reck - he is being so weird.so very very weird. I looked back at the games he posted and no, he did not show signs of the paranoia that he says he felt. so he isn't quite being truthful about that, unless it was somehow bigger in his head than what he let on...in every single game. the thing is if he did NOT know how to read me but has had some success in the past albeit it took him time then why is he not wanting to give me time in this game? that is what i find puzzling. its like he is not even attempting to sort me out and just wants me GONE.

Hmm, a bit hard to understand but it seems justified.

star - I thought she was scum at first cos of her angles. we tussled. when I went back and reread my posts to see if I had even voted cdb so I cld see wth myko was talking about I noticed that she tried to pit me against both reck and zito by saying that I was insulting them. reck knows I am not homophobic and zito knows that we can always talk about it post game if it was somehow that important. when she got no traction with either of those it became me trying to 1-up her about activism when I wasn't? I extended an olive branch so we will see what comes of it, it cld just be her personality I don't know.

I'm... I can't quite see a reason here. She said you were insulting someone, so she's scummy? That's just... Nah.

dave - can we plz have town!dave back pretty plz. I have not seen him all game.

Yeh this isn't a reason.

What is town!Dave? How am I not town!Dave? Do you have any actual reason to scumread me or is this just meta?

matty - I want him to be town. I scumread sc got nothing from him and while matty did put forth some reads he has disappeared again so he has nothing to improve that slot's chronic inactivity. it wld break my heart if matty were scum, this is the best that we have gotten along and I honestly feel like he is town but again, I get paranoid of pple who are nice to me sometimes. I feel like I need to see more matty.

Hmm, this is alright.

aj - he can sometimes have this myopic vision of the game where he will focus on 1 player to the exclusion of others as either alignment. what I am really concerned about is the lack of enthusiasm. there is something missing here but I haven't seen his scum game in almost 3 years.

I can't really see the reason here. He didn't do this thing he does sometimes? He's not enthusiastic? Neither of these are great reasons.

So yeh, that post is ew. It looks like Mollie is trying to look like she's doing stuff, but 70% of that post is unreasoned fluff. I'm betting she just expected people to skimread it because of its length, rather than actually reading closely and realising the reasons aren't the best.

[Davsto]

But that's the thing. My readslist wasn't meant to give off the impression of being a deep readslist, it was shallow and intended that way.

Mollie's gives off an air of trying to look like she's doing loads, but actually there's very little there.

[Davsto]

Also, fuck shit bollocks wank cunt arse twat.

I have a book that may interest you.

[Davsto]

May I ask why we're voting notscience?

[Davsto]

VOTE: Davsto

Unabashed survivalism.

Aww man, and I was considering not jumping on your wagon!

VOTE: notscience

unabashed OMGUS.

[Davsto]

Majority of the reason I voted you is that I'm townreading CDB, and you were the only person who was being voted by only townreads (granted it was one). Im not really paranoid because you know when I do get paranoid I'll start waffling all over the place regarding you and you also know if I was waffling I'd at least put the ball in your court.

I stated townreads yes which I realized didn't leave much open for discussion. A big part of it was because one of them was Marquis who, if scum, I wouldn't have wanted him to know I was already townreading him.

My first 3 townreads were Marquis, CDB, and Davsto.

The fourth one I added on was spiffeh.

After my reread, I added AJ, catboi, and blackberry.

I told bins do things or die and I hadn't been back in this game since because I have been in MD all weekend and this game was low on my priorities but while yes it does bug me, it's not alignment indicative and I know she will do things if I give her space which is why I am.

I've been out of step for ~reasons~ that don't really have anything to do with the game at hand.

Town-Marquis, Bins, Mollie, Davvyboy, Spiffeh, catboi

Mebbetown- Reck, MattP, Zito, flameaxe, ckd

UNVOTE:

Mollie can we go for scotmany

Matt feels underwhelming here in comparison to how he felt in Disney.

I think Nexus is, regardless of CDB's alignment, town, for similar reasons to why singer always has to read quadz right in f2f. His push on me is also terrible, but it feels more town-terrible than scum.

I kinda think flameaxe looks town. I like that, although he's really doing fuckall, he's still a presence.

I think I saw people saying this is ckd being ckd so I'm fine with leaning town on him.

I liked catboi but I don't particularly remember a lot of the reasoning behind it.

Gun to my head I am leaning town on reck but he is horrendously offbase so that could be wrong. I also need to go check mod error and see if his play here resembles that in any way shape or form but i am leaning town.

I liked davvyboy's early stuff and I don't think newer scum players would avoid the thread when stuff was going down like he did, I think they would be hocked up on newbscumdrenaline and try to stir the pot

I am going to guess the scumteam is

MattP
Scotmany
CDB
and one of Davvyboy/catboi

And then

VOTE: Mattp

What happened?

[Davsto]

Hey, that's my favourite scumhunting method!

[Davsto]

See now I'm still worried about Davsto because he was paying enough attention to the game to notice notscience's contradiction but still not producing content?

Although I agree that I mind an ns lynch less than I did before. I am really disliking his "defense" too.

Basically I saw myself in the list, though "wait wasn't ns townreading me?" Searched "dav" in the ISO and what do you know! You're starting to get a little bit of tunnel vision here though, Spiffeh. Please be careful.

@ckd. Read the thread. nothing about ns stood out. Nothing about people interacting with ns stood out. I don't know why this of all wagons should be the one pushed with 4 days to go. I would disagree with a davsto lynch, but at least I'd see where it was coming from. This? nah.

Ever thought that - potentially - that's what he was going for? To blend in and not stand out?

[Davsto]

Behold the HurpADurp Allstars. I'd be 100% willing to lynch any of that.

Before you take that wagon as a whole, you should have a look at what post I voted flameaxe for.

Don't want the story in the world that I have a scumread on him (as of now)

Behold the HurpADurp Allstars. I'd be 100% willing to lynch any of that.

Before you take that wagon as a whole, you should have a look at what post I voted flameaxe for.

Don't want the story in the world that I have a scumread on him (as of now)

Waitwait, so there are less than three days left and you're voting on someone you don't have a scumread on? That's just bad.

[Davsto]

I will admit I haven't read myko's posts yet so I will refrain from judging you until I have done so.

ATM the only other lynch I will support is Davsto because every single post of his I just read "I'm scum I'm scum I'm scum"

I take it you aren't wearing your glasses then.

[Davsto]

I will admit I haven't read myko's posts yet so I will refrain from judging you until I have done so.

ATM the only other lynch I will support is Davsto because every single post of his I just read "I'm scum I'm scum I'm scum"

No, I just felt like being snarky.

[Davsto]

Because you know those posts I quoted? Those were his only mentions of me in his entire ISO up to that point, apart from his "unabashed survivalism" vote on me.

He then justifies his flipflop with the wonderful

I don't really know what happened!

I was looking at the OP and trying to figure out who doesn't look town and that is the list I ended up with.

Justifies again his flipflopping with

7. Davsto

Idk I go back and forth on davvy boy. I don't really have any quantification on this.

which is not particularly great either.

Is that enough? Or do I need to have some wibbly wobbly meta explanation to sway you.

[Davsto]

FVF started during the holidays so it was easier to get into since I had more time to read carefully and didn't have school/social stuff on my mind. This is probably the main one.

Wasn't a horrible argument between players that I couldn't read and just shut off my mind like there was with mol/reck here.

Large games are tough to get into. Chances are I'll be better tomorrow, hopefully. Plus there's a weeklong holiday in a few days.

[Davsto]

VOTE: pirate mollie for hitting on me.

I know this is a stretch, but it seems oddly coincidental that mollie is a Loveriser and SC's first comment towards her was about her hitting on him.

[Davsto]

I change it ~twice a week. It's always Colin Mochrie, so it's not like you won't be able to recognise that it's me with first glance at the avatar, since I don't think anyone onsite has a Mochrie avatar.

[Davsto]

Davsto what kind of pointers did you scum team give you? I doubt they were very happy with your performance yesterday.

Let me tell you about the building of tunnels.

You can start off, slightly off target. That's fine. Say, 1 degree to the wrong side. But as you dig further and further, the distance you reach ends up being further and further away from the right path.

That was a metaphor to say that you're tunneling the wrong guy.

[Davsto]

Oh man, are you gonna begin the 7for7 fallacy? Don't let being right there go to your head.

[Davsto]

mollie is loveriser. She was baiting a vig kill to take Starbuck down with her.

[Davsto]

She's come to the conclusion there is no vigilante, she thinks that scum now won't kill her because that will kill Starbuck too, so the only way to get rid of her is a lynch. She's not just gonna keep her alive.

[Davsto]

Mollie. What was the point of your notty vote earlier?

Mollie. Answer this in your next post. And answer CKD's question as well. This is getting ridiculous.

Mollie. Please.

Davstro. Who do you think is scum?

You're mean zito

Starbuck, AJspeonage, Zito, mykonian.

[Davsto]

Just general feelings. I'm going more on gut this game because there are way too many pages.

Mollie suspicion? When?

[Davsto]

I think that was probably just me not liking a readslist? idk.

I think the whole Lover thing is town though. She's pushing a Starbuck lynch, and if she dies and Mollie doesn't she knows she's the guaranteed lynch next day. Don't see scum doing that.

[Davsto]

Lots of time to do stuff tomorrow. And I'm excited because there's lots to work with and it feels goooooood
Only skimmed so far. (y)
I love Davsto's avatar changes.

I sense sarcasm in this last line.

for the record, i've been reading spiffeh's posts that've been popping up as i've been continuously saying that i need to read spiffeh (lol) and i'm maybe... 10% into him being town now? definitely not on the scum side of the spectrum atm, at least. nothing i'd bet on at all tho, and i still do want to reread his old stuff in context again

i've also just noticed starbuck keeps making post after post (like at least 5 of them on me by now) about how things i'm doing look "forced" or "concerning" or how they "just don't sit right with me" yet hasn't even voted me yet. not sure how to feel about that.

gnight for real now. vv

BOOM

also star and I are lovers now! I was really hoping to eat a vig kill.

the next time I mention a vig 20 million times can you plz take me out.

also I changed my mind 4 times on who to loverize. in 1 of the last pm's I sent prozack I asked if I cld be polyamorous and loverize as many pple as I wanted. I had to settle on star cos prozack isn't into that sort of thing.

anyway I settled onto her for the lulz and now she has to come up with reasons for wanting me around which is even lulzier.

(((star)))

welcome back star

mollie is loveriser. She was baiting a vig kill to take Starbuck down with her.

This is action is akin to when I was recruited in that cult game (you old schoolers know the one) and part of the reason why I stepped away from MS in the first place. I mean, really?

Actually, this isn't that bad. She thinks you're scum, so she wants to take you down with her.

the lack of zito votes is truly depressing.

ZITOVOTE: Espeonage

[Davsto]

That was intended as a vote as well as a joke.

VOTE: Espeonage just to make it clearer, though.

[Davsto]

VOTE: Davsto

As much as people want to write his uselessness off as noob town I am here to confirm that HE DOES THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HELPFUL AS TOWN. I have seen it firsthand.

His relationships with MattP and SC are suspicious (refusing to comment on my interaction with SC after I asked him to multiple times, MattP listing him as a scum read but never voting for him) and continues to try and write off my suspicion of him as me tunneling.

Well, now you got your wish!

Even if he is somehow town (which I don't think is the case), he needs to be dead by LYLO because he's just a mislynch waiting to happen.

50% proper 50% policy? Seems like you're ready to set yourself up for a defence when I flip town~

[Davsto]

These two posts

sum up my opinion on "OMGUS"

[Davsto]

guys i think cdb might be scum.

say more words

literally just had the realisation after reading scot's post about his shitty vote on him, to be fair.

arrite


oh look Davsto woke up again, look at that

I mean, Davsto is still probably town. Terrible at the game, but town. Probably be best if he stopped posting.

thanks for the compliment

[Davsto]

Davsto: So you're saying I'm scum with MattP, the guy I forced down everyone's throats yesterday?

That makes zero sense.

Which is why your reason for "suspecting" me is only in retaliation to my vote on you.

@Nexus you don't buy the connections to MattP/SC I provided?

The more you hinge on having done that, the more I think you just did it for towncred.

Besides, look who I'm voting? It's not you.

[Davsto]

On that note, why are you voting me?

You're AJ's replacement. AJ is bad. Was bad. W/e.

[Davsto]

Well you appear to think the better option is me, but I'm not self-voting, brother.

[Davsto]

That's for me to know and you to find out.

[Davsto]

I mean I already gave who I thought the last scum could be here

Mollie. What was the point of your notty vote earlier?

Mollie. Answer this in your next post. And answer CKD's question as well. This is getting ridiculous.

Mollie. Please.

Davstro. Who do you think is scum?

You're mean zito

Starbuck, AJspeonage, Zito, mykonian.

[Davsto]

No. Wait a minute. Obviously poro would't put a jester in. Tell me the truth.

Huh?

and why?

I'll get back to that later. Don't have the effort at the moment.

[Davsto]

No. Wait a minute. Obviously poro would't put a jester in. Tell me the truth.

Huh?

and why?

I'll get back to that later. Don't have the effort at the moment.

It's Day 2. You spent all of Day 1 giving excuses, and it's not going to fly today.

Give some real content or die.

Do I have a third option?

But seriously relax, I'll get to it tomorrow. It's on my to-do list. Look!

[Davsto]

i will reread davasto next since he seems to be hot...then myko.

I'm always hot.

[Davsto]

i will reread davasto next since he seems to be hot...then myko.

Seriously though, I've waited 15 years to be hot and still nothing. Don't hold your breath.

[Davsto]

Sell me on it por favor

where is Davsto

behind you

[Davsto]

Gimme thirty minutes, por favor.

[Davsto]

VOTE: spiffeh

You're calling SC's vote weak but then you vote with the "Maybe you'll do more with pressure"? Can you just claim scum for us?

Chainsaw defence.

I would like to

hear AJ's response to the cases presented against SC

because he seems to have disappeared ever since the wagon picked up steam.

What? That's not my responsibility. My interest is you and your inconsistency, not SC.

Here you see him avoid a question. My guess he couldn't deconstruct the cases because that would make him look bad on an SC scumflip, but also that he'd look bad trying to do a deconstruction if it failed.

Like goddamn, that's actually terrible. You're just trying to tie me to someone you're already daedset on lynching. Really, where are you getting these statements?

Yeh...

How is spiffeh town when he hasn't stopped to explain his 'assumption' or why he wants me to answer for SC? That latter is his entire case on me and now he's framing me to say I only care about myself? This doesn't make sense either because my vote on him certainly wasn't for self-defense.

Continuing the chainsaw on Spiffeh. If AJ is scum, Spiffeh is basically conftown at this point.

Not necessarily. It could be him just developing scum reads that he can jump to. He also could be aware of SC's alignment and hardbussing.

In light of SC's flip, this looks nasty. Totally setting up lynches.

Zito is town pile. Notty is probs town pile.

As per normal I have not read the game.

Who we lynching? Mattp is what I'm gathering from zito posts.

vote: mattp

Ok so feel free to call me dumb here, but why is mattp seeming to be everyone's go to right now. Like I haven't read so idk the case but given the way everyone is posing it seems kinda easy, you feel me?

I'm not sure about you, but I feel like if I were town and I was voting someone I didn't agree fully with the lynch of, I'd unvote. This seems like leaning on the fence between bussing (via the vote) but still soft-defending ("doesn't the wagon seem

too

easy?").

wow some1 sounds worried

Mollie, you're getting worked up and let's be honest you tend to tunnel when ure mad. Reck is actually being objective here a quality he tends to lack when I pick up on his scum game. I generally have a good gut for Reck and he's actually looking p good here.

I am p sure you know how I feel about appeals to relational authority and while I respect your ability. I think ure wrong here and not focusing correctly. Peeps are fall able Reck too is fall able.

Now Reck. For like the first time ever we get to be town. Now I'm not saying molliw is town here. But her reading is generally based on emotional connection and I don't think this stuff is necessarily caused by her being obtuse Bc scum.

Try for your interactions. Mollie is null town. Reck is town pool proper.

"I'm not saying she's town, but I'm gonna defend her anyway".

For the record, some other points to help peeps work out where I am sitting. I like Bins' tone. It feels right for how she is describing her state in terms of the game.

Something about notty's trust in people who are reading him favorably is sitting badly with me. Feels like buddying without it meaning to look like buddying. Mostly a gut iffyness though.

A lot of Esp's reads are quite fence-sitty. "I like Bins' tone" without saying why, "Mostly a gut iffyness", which is the most beating-around-the-bush way to state a scumread, etc.

Also, just noting that Esp says very, very little about the whole Matt lynch besides the votepark, which was removed at some point.

Ok we have 22 hours and idk the vote count so MattP needs to claim within the next few hours or everyone should just condense their votes there.

I was going to move back but I think someone said something about an L-1 so I haven't yet. More to do with my town reads town reading myko and less about mattp's play. But yeah, I'll throw my lot in with intent.

So, um, she's keeping her vote on myko despite something something "town reads reading myko", which seems like wanting to bus but not trying to look like a bizarre read reversal was made.

So, there's my case on Aj/Espe. You're welcome!

[Davsto]

Davsto I want your reasons for scum reading everyone you mentioned not just AJ.

This also doesn't excuse you from disappearing til the next time you have to be prodded (which I am predicting will happen anyway).

Oh screw that, I'm not justifying scumreading players I'm not goddamn voting.

[Davsto]

Like, seriously, I'm only giving them out because I want people to vote with me on Scum. I'm not just gonna give out reasoning for all of my reads willy nilly.

[Davsto]

> refusing to elaborate on your scum reads
> massive fucking post literally 30 minutes ago.


Like, that shit takes effort. I see no productivity in doing it for more than one player.

[Davsto]

This is the goddamn reason why I didn't want to do it, because once I do everyone goes "yeh he's scum"

fucking morton's fucking fork bullshit

[Davsto]

Oh piss off, I'm done with this bullshit

"provide reads"
*provides reads*
*reads get fucking ignored while people keep voting me*

PEdit I'm not concerned with looking scummy I'm concerned that no-one's listening to my goddamn reasons and people are concentrating on town rather than scum

[Davsto]

Look, I no longer have any incentive to do jack shit. Y'all are gonna vote town!me anyway, and my reads are gonna be ignored whether or not I survive.

[Davsto]

Like, I'm too tired to deal with this kinda crap because I know how this situation ends up.

I'm not gonna have my reads listened to after I die, I'm not going to have them listened to while I survive, and while I survive there's gonna be people wasting their time on me rather than actually scumhunting. What reason do I have to do anything now other than just sit here and let people lynch me? I'm not a power role, so we're hardly losing anything useful. All you're doing is screaming "TURBO LYNVH TURBO LYNCH" while ignoring the incredibly obvious scum in Esp.

[Davsto]

Oh piss off, I'm done with this bullshit

"provide reads"
*provides reads*
*reads get fucking ignored while people keep voting me*

PEdit I'm not concerned with looking scummy I'm concerned that no-one's listening to my goddamn reasons and people are concentrating on town rather than scum

But Espe is the leading wagon right now??????

Doesn't look like it's gonna be for much longer at this rate.

[Davsto]

I am going to be so pissed if people fall for your AtE.

Yeh, piss off are you not tunneling.

[Davsto]

It doesn't stop me, but there's no fucking point. People are gonna ignore it. I'm calling that now. Remember when I died in Flower Viewing? How I was yelling that Shazam was scum and should be lynched the day after and provided a post wall but people fucking ignored it? Or in another game (Legends of the Hidden Temple II) where I called scum and gave reasons in twilight and was largely ignored? That's gonna happen again, guaranteed.

[Davsto]

Well I told you so it was Espe.

I also informed you thusly that at least one other is in Zito/myko/notsci

[Davsto]

But I've proved I have reasons by making a fucking giant fucking post about espe

jesus wept

[Davsto]

I've already provided the reason I'm not so hot on you, and my notscience one is still there.

myko is gut

you're welcome

[Davsto]

I'm not so naive to think that you all will actually suddenly decide to let me off. If I provided that nice Epse wall and everyone's still scumreading me for it, three other, less substantial ones aren't going to change jack.

PEdit you don't say

[Davsto]

[Davsto]

I will take that as a compliment.

[Davsto]

Me coming back to the thread

[Davsto]

Yes.

[Davsto]

Because everyone always could be scum, and I've not been contributing to my best standard. After contributing to what is my better standard (see: the Espe post) everyone's too deep in their scumread to change, so they continue scumreading me.

[Davsto]

Weird phrasing. I'm often not the best at getting things across.

[Davsto]

he flipped out for no reason. That's not a town reaction.

meh, "no reason"? so scum would flip out for "no reason"? I flip out all the time.

God I am so back and forth on Davasto's wagon. but if anyone is going to push it..it should be pushed for actual scum reasons.

Like the fact that he completely avoided any interaction with FLIPPED SCUM

this isn't hard, team.

See, this guy's town.

[Davsto]

mollie Davsto is not giving up. He has been given ample opportunity to provide some content and actually help but instead he opted to throw a hissy fit, further discredit and misrepresent everyone scum reading him, and resort to AtE that people are buying for some reason.

wow look at all the content i haven't provided

VOTE: spiffeh

You're calling SC's vote weak but then you vote with the "Maybe you'll do more with pressure"? Can you just claim scum for us?

Chainsaw defence.

I would like to

hear AJ's response to the cases presented against SC

because he seems to have disappeared ever since the wagon picked up steam.

What? That's not my responsibility. My interest is you and your inconsistency, not SC.

Here you see him avoid a question. My guess he couldn't deconstruct the cases because that would make him look bad on an SC scumflip, but also that he'd look bad trying to do a deconstruction if it failed.

Like goddamn, that's actually terrible. You're just trying to tie me to someone you're already daedset on lynching. Really, where are you getting these statements?

Yeh...

How is spiffeh town when he hasn't stopped to explain his 'assumption' or why he wants me to answer for SC? That latter is his entire case on me and now he's framing me to say I only care about myself? This doesn't make sense either because my vote on him certainly wasn't for self-defense.

Continuing the chainsaw on Spiffeh. If AJ is scum, Spiffeh is basically conftown at this point.

Not necessarily. It could be him just developing scum reads that he can jump to. He also could be aware of SC's alignment and hardbussing.

In light of SC's flip, this looks nasty. Totally setting up lynches.

Zito is town pile. Notty is probs town pile.

As per normal I have not read the game.

Who we lynching? Mattp is what I'm gathering from zito posts.

vote: mattp

Ok so feel free to call me dumb here, but why is mattp seeming to be everyone's go to right now. Like I haven't read so idk the case but given the way everyone is posing it seems kinda easy, you feel me?

I'm not sure about you, but I feel like if I were town and I was voting someone I didn't agree fully with the lynch of, I'd unvote. This seems like leaning on the fence between bussing (via the vote) but still soft-defending ("doesn't the wagon seem

too

easy?").

wow some1 sounds worried

Mollie, you're getting worked up and let's be honest you tend to tunnel when ure mad. Reck is actually being objective here a quality he tends to lack when I pick up on his scum game. I generally have a good gut for Reck and he's actually looking p good here.

I am p sure you know how I feel about appeals to relational authority and while I respect your ability. I think ure wrong here and not focusing correctly. Peeps are fall able Reck too is fall able.

Now Reck. For like the first time ever we get to be town. Now I'm not saying molliw is town here. But her reading is generally based on emotional connection and I don't think this stuff is necessarily caused by her being obtuse Bc scum.

Try for your interactions. Mollie is null town. Reck is town pool proper.

"I'm not saying she's town, but I'm gonna defend her anyway".

For the record, some other points to help peeps work out where I am sitting. I like Bins' tone. It feels right for how she is describing her state in terms of the game.

Something about notty's trust in people who are reading him favorably is sitting badly with me. Feels like buddying without it meaning to look like buddying. Mostly a gut iffyness though.

A lot of Esp's reads are quite fence-sitty. "I like Bins' tone" without saying why, "Mostly a gut iffyness", which is the most beating-around-the-bush way to state a scumread, etc.

Also, just noting that Esp says very, very little about the whole Matt lynch besides the votepark, which was removed at some point.

Ok we have 22 hours and idk the vote count so MattP needs to claim within the next few hours or everyone should just condense their votes there.

I was going to move back but I think someone said something about an L-1 so I haven't yet. More to do with my town reads town reading myko and less about mattp's play. But yeah, I'll throw my lot in with intent.

So, um, she's keeping her vote on myko despite something something "town reads reading myko", which seems like wanting to bus but not trying to look like a bizarre read reversal was made.

So, there's my case on Aj/Espe. You're welcome!

Spiffeh be like


PEdit piss off, mate

[Davsto]

The fact that my reasoning for voting on Espe is way more detailed than anyone's reasons for voting on me, yet my wagon is twice the damn size of Espe's, should give a decent idea as to why my wagon is utter shit.

[Davsto]

I am hoping for dead Espes following soon after dead Davstos.

Okay this is eww

You suggest you want us both dead

But I highly doubt you think we're both partners

But you think I'm flipping scum

So, what gives?

[Davsto]

do you really want to hurt meee
do you really want to make me cryyyy

[Davsto]

VOTE: Davsto

Man. When did CKD become my spirit animal.

part of me doesnt think Davasto is scum. part of me thinks he is.

yeh this is where I'm at, cuz honestly I

can

turn my head 270^o and see what people are talking about with "he's a townie who quit" but then again doesn't that look awfully like scum who's hoping to lay low until the town says SQUIRREL and lynches someone else?

Sheesh, talk about buddying.

[Davsto]

do you really want to hurt meee
do you really want to make me cryyyy

are you doing a vedith thing?

[] yes
[] no

I've given a big reason for my main read, as well as briefly listing down my weaker, largely-gut-based reads. I am being voted and not a single one of those opinions is being listened to. Hell, no-one's even pointed out a problem with my Espe read, but still people are voting me over Espe. I have no further reads, I can't argue any more without being shut down for literally everything I say.

I might as well laugh and joke, since everything else is being ignored.

[Davsto]

Because when everyone is yelling how I'm (A) scum or (B) not scum, it's hard for me to tell who on side A is genuinely scumreading me and who is just scum capitalising on an easy target, and it's hard for me to tell who on side B is genuinely defending me/thinks I'm town and who is scum white knighting.

Only newish read I have is CDB getting a slight scumlean. Fuckit, even

I

get my wagon. How doesn't he?

Also, don't like how Espe needed to be prodded, whilst my wagon was big and taking all of the attention. I feel like they were sorta... hiding behind the focus being on someone else.

I checked the ISO and there is a reason oops

and why should I unvote you. If you are town, but are going to be Douchebag McGee for the rest of the game, how are you helping us?

You should unvote me so you can actually vote scum.

do you really want to hurt meee
do you really want to make me cryyyy

are you doing a vedith thing?

[] yes
[] no

I've given a big reason for my main read, as well as briefly listing down my weaker, largely-gut-based reads. I am being voted and not a single one of those opinions is being listened to. Hell, no-one's even pointed out a problem with my Espe read, but still people are voting me over Espe. I have no further reads, I can't argue any more without being shut down for literally everything I say.

I might as well laugh and joke, since everything else is being ignored.

its a yes or no question

What's a "vedith thing"

[Davsto]

Oh that one

I'm not trolling, I'm still providing reads every now and again. But when every single one I make gets shot down or ignored, I'm struggling to keep up motivation, so I'm posting silly jokes and pictures to keep me going and enjoying this game.

You understand?

[Davsto]

Davsto

Davsto

listen ok

No for real read this whole thing -


I want you to scumhunt me

I want you to scumhunt me like there's no tomorrow.

I'm not asking you to present a "case"

I want you to dig into my ISO, look at shit I posted, assess motivations, come up with question marks, and then start blasting me with questions.


Can you do this

I'm watching Doctor Who now so I'm gonna start in 50 minutes or so, that sound okay?

[Davsto]

Oh that one

I'm not trolling, I'm still providing reads every now and again. But when every single one I make gets shot down or ignored, I'm struggling to keep up motivation, so I'm posting silly jokes and pictures to keep me going and enjoying this game.

You understand?

why aren't you providing a bulletpoint format for your reads?

Why should I?

[Davsto]

Gonna start

oh dear god why did I sign up to this

[Davsto]

172 posts

rip me

[Davsto]

Fuckit, I don't want to feel like a cop out

but

I read through Zito's ISO

And for far, far too many of the posts, the main thought that went through my head was "wow okay that's quite a townie thing to do"; he was playing devil's advocate to a necessary degree, pointing out problems, pointing out good things, etc etc. He was often interacting with others in a way that drew attention to himself in a way scum wouldn't like.

I guess my view of him was tainted by the only thing that drew my attention whilst playing (shouting for a wagon on me but not actually voting on it).

Here's as far as I got before I starting going through so many posts that I thought "this is quite town" about that I knew what my conclusion was going to be

VOTE: Davsto

Okay so what/why was this vote?

Somebody shoot Nexus plz

Why?

Are you high on turkey or something? You just made a stink about how you read the game and this major life event culminated in an SC vote. I'm asking why it ended in an SC vote vs all the other eligible bachelors/bachelorettes/attack helicopters we have ITT. And I'm getting back chinese fortune cookies for answers.

why SC

^ dis question is for you bins and requires answering tia

Meh, soft defending of SC almost. He's had this thing of scumreading people but not voting them; "supporting" the SC wagon while voting off it, and that whole fiasco with him going "dav lynch plez" while voting anyone else.

shooting Nex?

uh

what, in your opinion has Nexus been like a paragon of towniness or something?

Null..

but if we are directing vigs...there are so many other more scummier people.

That's not what vigs are for.

Would you like to get into a game theory discussion about this topic?

:3

What are vigs for then? Shooting town?

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ok carry on

Nothing to note just putting this down to see if he contradicts.

[Davsto]

davsto, stop being a dickhead, for fuck sake.

[Davsto]

If you think I'm town, give good reasons that I'm town.

[Davsto]

And you assume that anyone who plays the same as you as a certain alignment must be that same alignment? Also

acting like a dickhead

this shit ain't necessary.

[Davsto]

Okay, so what you're going to do is call me town but not actually push the idea to anyone I'm town and let the lynch happen on me anyway?

And you don't get why I'm skeptical of this?

[Davsto]

If you stopped posting shit that's irrelevant, you won't get lynched.

Yeh because that fucking worked when I made that Espe-related content, right?

[Davsto]

the fact davsto hasn't done anything

[Davsto]

If you move your vote from me to Espe they'd be the same size so I don't know what the hell you're on about.

[Davsto]

If you move your vote from me to Espe both wagons would be the same size so I don't know what the hell you're on about.

EBWOP

[Davsto]

But he's not being actively useless

I feel like people are repeating this "Davsto's being useless" mantra in the hope that at some point it becomes true.

[Davsto]

I really can't wait to be lynched and watch that smarmy, smug fucking smile get wiped off Spiffeh's face when I flip town.

[Davsto]

Hey Dave!

Remember this game?

I love how there are so many people that haven't posted for longer than me, yet I'm the one you chase after.

He has nothing to talk about now that my vote is elsewhere

Oh ffs not this again.

[Davsto]

Davsto I appreciate you disappearing right after I vote for someone else.

You're welcome.

[Davsto]

No, we need to lynch Espeonage. Lynching actual scum is optimal, or is that not how we play the game around here?

[Davsto]

Been over what, that you're ignoring where I do stuff so you can continually yell "HE'S DOING NOTHING LYNCH HIMMMM"

[Davsto]

Engaging in hypotheticals that are borderline impossible is a waste of time.

[Davsto]

I'm honestly starting to consider Spiff as scum. jsyk.

PEdit Now I really am

[Davsto]

Engaging in hypotheticals that are borderline impossible is a waste of time.

Fine. We lynched Espe and he's totally scum yay. Same question.

Then I set about finding the next scum, obviously.

[Davsto]

Okay, Spiffeh.

Why am I scum?

[Davsto]

HE DOES THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HELPFUL AS TOWN.

Okay, so now I did a helpful thing (push Espe), then explain

And now your recent playing up of "frustrated town" that everyone handed you on a silver platter.

For me. How is my AtE scummy? What about it is wrong? Explain etc etc.

[Davsto]

people had to twist your arm to get you to contribute.

How much does this contribute towards your scumread?

[Davsto]

I'm not sure.

Speculating who to lynch in future days < finding who to lynch now.

[Davsto]

Oh fuck off, you're just going to ignore them like the other reads I've given.

[Davsto]

Fuck offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[Davsto]

Fuck this game with a large spiky cactus on fire

[Davsto]

coated in acid

[Davsto]

This game is borderline becoming a repeat of Flower Viewing Festival.

I.e.

I provide a big readslist of obvscum which is ignored even after I flip

[Davsto]

Like Espe is such obvious scum that she's even lurking whilst the pressure is on me like seriously fuck that noise

PEdit I've literally given it

remember that big fucking post

that big fucking post about Espeonage

THAT ONE

[Davsto]

Like, I don't have the time and effort to post a bunch around the other one and frankly it'll be a waste of effort since it'll be fucking ignored.

PEdit How about this time you rectify the error you made last time by not voting with me originally?

PEdit Espe is the only person I'm decently strong on enough to provide a decent amount of reasons on. Everyone else is sort of a weak thing based on tiny things.

[Davsto]

myko is gut
notty is still because of the weird read on me that's sorta stuck, and probably some other things along the way which I can't remember.

Honestly, though, it's a waste of time. If I'm ignored when I talk about my big scumread Espe, I'm hardly going to change a vote with my weaker other ones.

[Davsto]

Did you crumb Hider?

[Davsto]

Sooooo what you're saying is you went to all of the effort to crumb a fake inspection role (result) to draw a nightkill,

But didn't crumb your

actual

role.

guys I found scum

[Davsto]

VOTE: Bins

[Davsto]

man even if Espe flips scum and was lying those posts are still fkn scummy

VOTE: Bins to hammer the point in.

[Davsto]

I'd love to vote reck but I don't think I'd ever take enough drugs to think it's a good idea.

[Davsto]

Bins continues "rargh it was TERRIBLE that people lynched this claimed investigative" feels almost like a scum partner who's miffed that their partner got called out.

Also, her "even if he is scum..." comment is obviously bad. It's like she's trying to set up to lynch people when Espe flips scum but trying to do it nonchalantly as if she doesn't know that Espe is scum.

[Davsto]

I especially don't like people saying "you're bad you should quit this game."

You didn't seem to really care when people were saying that to me. j/s.

[Davsto]

For the betterment of this game, because I'm sure it got lost in one of my bigger posts, I really wish Davsto would replace out for someone who will actually contribute.

unvote.

if you are town, please just replace out. I cant tell if you are smug town throwing a tantrum or trolling scum, who knows he is caught.

[Davsto]

Those are two that stick out.

[Davsto]

so you admit that your play is bad?

My play isn't bad, don't be a dick.

Also, yeh, not helping, it's not like I fucking pushed Espeonage or anything right? OH WAI-

[Davsto]

Because... pushing a scum wagon is bad play? I don't...

[Davsto]

I was pushing a scum wagon.

He wasn't.

I would happily argue that my play was better, and this whole "dav ur shit replace out" is just fucking stupid.

[Davsto]

Really? I thought he was pushing me.

[Davsto]

Fuck off, ckd, you voted me so obviously you were pushing me. Don't be obtuse.

[Davsto]

Hey guys, look at Spiffeh and ckd ganging up on me! For stuff that isn't even fucking related to scumhunting! Wow! Great play!

[Davsto]

Answering questions about my meta is pointless.

[Davsto]

Because you're both spending more time talking about my "terrible play" yesterday than actually doing something?

[Davsto]

I really don't see how my play was "bad" yesterday, yes it was a bit wobbly at times but in the end I helped lynch scum and honestly the end results are super duper more important than how we reached them.

[Davsto]

Anyway, focusing on the game again, Bins is still scum.

[Davsto]

Often pushing the counterwagons to scum, jumping on scum every now and again when it's convenient.
That whole "even if he's scum..." feels like scum getting ready to push people who pushed Espe but trying to act nonchalant and like "oh yeh even if he's scum which he isn't but just in case he is...".

That's two, can't think of a third.

I'll leave KMD until they've caught up. It's hard to get an idea on replacements when they've made very few posts and I don't remember having too strong of a read on CDB.

[Davsto]

Eventually all the neighbours were cleared of any wrong doing. However the scars of Dereks betrayal remained. The neighbours viewed each other with suspicion and stopped talking to one another. What were they up to behind their doors?

Votecount 1.10

-
Pirate Mollie -3 - CDB, Starbuck, Reck
Flameaxe - 3 - MattP, Bins, AJ the Epic
AJ - 3 - Spiffeh, Davsto, catboi
Davsto - 2 - Papa Zito, Scotmany
notscience - 1 - Nexus
MattP - 1 - Flameaxe

Not voting - 5 - mykonian, Marquis, Mollie, notscience, curiouskarmadog

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2015-10-23 14:00:00)

Nexus is v/la until Monday

Voting BBM, counterwagon to AJ.

Votecount 1.19

-
notscience - 5 - Nexus, Zito, Davsto, Flameaxe, scot
MattP - 5 - Marquis, catboi, notscience, spiffeh, Espy
Pirate Mollie - 3 - CDB, Starbuck, Reck,
Espy - 2 - MattP, Myko
mykonian - 2 - mollie, ckd
Davsto - 1 - Bins

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2015-10-24 14:00:00)

At this point, she is parked on me (who was once a counterwagon to MattP IIRC?), and then when suddenly MattP gains traction...

Votecount 1.20

-
MattP - 9 - Marquis, catboi, spiffeh, Bins, scotmany, notscience, ChannelDeliBird, Papa Zito, pirate mollie
mykonian - 3 - xRECKONERx, Espeonage, curiouskarmadog
notscience - 3 - Nexus, Davsto, Flameaxe
Pirate Mollie - 2 - Starbuck, mykonian
Espy - 1 - MattP,

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2015-10-24 14:00:00)

Bam, she's on him.

As Ethan lay down to sleep, he had seen the two feet sticking out behind the curtain, but seeing how everything had gone wrong, he decided it was probably for the best and fell asleep for the last time.

Votecount 2.06

Davsto

(5): Spiffeh, Flameaxe, Bins, scotmany, zito

Espeonage

(3): Starbuck, Davsto, pirate mollie

scotmany12

(1): ChannelDelibird

Starbuck

(1): Espeonage

ChannelDelibird

(1): notscience

Not Voting

(5): xRECKONERx, Nexus, curiouskarmadog, catboi, mykonian,

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Pushing me counterwagon to Espe

Votecount 2.11

Davsto

(4): Bins, scotmany12, Papa Zito, xRECKONERx

Espeonage

(4): Starbuck, Davsto, catboi, pirate mollie

ChannelDelibird

(3): Nexus, Spiffeh, notscience

Bins

(2): Flameaxe, mykonian

scotmany12

(1): ChannelDelibird

Starbuck

(1): Espeonage

Not Voting

(1): curiouskarmadog

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline is (expired on 2015-11-08 19:00:00)

Ditto.

[Davsto]

Bins is still scum. Why is her wagon still pathetically small?

[Davsto]

Yes.

PEdit why?

[Davsto]

Oh because her last many many many posts are kinda shit

I can deal with it, since my beautiful wagon is empty.

VOTE: notscience

PEdit Spiffeh go home you're drunk

[Davsto]

man the more Davsto posts the more SK is likely

What's with all the SK hunting in this game?

[Davsto]

Like seriously, that shit's nasty.

Either it's scum pushing for a mislynch on people who pushed the other scum or it's town giving scum leeway to do so. Either way, stop it.


PEdit, now let me ask you a question, why am I so scum?

[Davsto]

Like, do you actually have a reason? Or are you just OMGUSing for the easiest target?

PEdit Sll of the kills have been flavoured weirdly. Who's to say it's an arsonist, and not just a fire-flavoured kill? Why would an arsonist douse one night then instantly burn the next, rather than building up a good amount of people doused before doing so? Use your brains.

[Davsto]

You think someone vigged Papa Zito or catboi?

Beep Beep

Bus driverrrrrr

?

[Davsto]

Something something prod dodge really not in the mood to mafia right at this second so this is all you're getting folks.

[Davsto]

NKA is stupid, always has been, always will be.

[Davsto]

NKA is stupid, always has been, always will be.

can you plz link the game where you decided this?

I'm like 90% sure I've always thought it was crap, and if not it hardly will have come for me in some sort of written epiphany that I can conveniently link.

[Davsto]

NKA is stupid, always has been, always will be.

can you plz link the game where you decided this?

I'm like 90% sure I've always thought it was crap, and if not it hardly will have come for me in some sort of written epiphany that I can conveniently link.

why do you think it is crap?

I am asking why and how came to this conclusion that you trying to produce as a fact

Because scum can choose a nightkill for all sorts of reasons, none of which we are even vaguely aware of. Quite often they make kills to mislead us on purpose. Trying to read that is blatantly wrong. When I go to dead threads and see people guess why scum killed them, they're almost always wrong; if

they

can't correctly guess why

they

were killed, why do you think

you

can?

[Davsto]

Still haven't read up, but I'm a JOAT. CDB attempted to vig Bins and failed. I copped her N2 and she came back town. Don't want to disclose my other abilities yet

Myko, that wasn't vague. I was asked if I had an innocent on Bins. I answered in the affirmative.

Hey, KMD, what night did you vig Bins?

[Davsto]

Why didn't Bins die if she's not BP?
That's also kind of a thing that is weird about that story

I can see a Roleblocker blocking CDB, potentially.

[Davsto]

Generally speaking, they aren't. The closest to it is if you're an investigative and your action is blocked/fails for whatever reason, you get a "No Result" return rather than an actual result.

[Davsto]

Ugh, as much as I want to avoid the lynch that mollie is pushing because man is she being a pain in the ass about it, the JOAT claim is sketch as fuck.

VOTE: kmd

[Davsto]

VOTE: davsto

"WOW OMG KMD IS SUPER SCUM LIKE SUPER DUPER OBVIOUS SCUM WE NEED PEOPLE VOTING HIM JESUS FUCK WHAT VOTE YOU IDIOTS LOOK AT THIS PERSON NOT VOTING KMD LOOK HOW SCUMMY A- ooh Davsto did a vote let's vote him he might be scum."

Basically your thought process. Are you gonna actually give reasons or is it gonna be one of those lynches where I want to stab everyone involved?

[Davsto]

I'm not sure there is a "standard" JOAT. As far as I see it, it's just a role that has multiple different One-Shot abilities. That's why it's super convenient for scum to claim.

[Davsto]

lmfao i would vote Davsto for that vote

Sure you would. Any reason why? Or are you now going to vote me because I

dared

to question you?

[Davsto]

Wow, A* reasoning there. Top of the fucking class.

[Davsto]

I don't see scotmany's point. I would happily argue that claiming JOAT is easier than claiming Cop.

[Davsto]

Bleh, I hate WIFOM.

Question: do you think KMD's claimed inno on Bins was scum trying to clear their partner or scum trying to look townie for saving a town (and potentially incriminating that town when the scum dies)?

Because it's one of the two and honestly I'm not sure.

I don't have the time right now, can someone find how many votes were on KMD and Bins when he first crumbed the inno? The more votes on him, the more likely it is to be the latter, the more on Bins, the more likely the former.

[Davsto]

Bleh, just looked, KMD's crumbing was after him being quite large wagon-wise.

Ugh.

But on the other hand, Bins' "look KMD got an innocent on me this was obviously a crumb" seems like an odd assumption to make unless she already knew it was supposed to be a cop crumb.

Fuck it, I've been suspicious of her before, she needs to be lynched basically.

VOTE: Bins

can we lynch bins today and dave tomorrow?

I'm fine with this. With any luck, it won't come to me needing to be lynched (most likely 4 Maf, right?).

[Davsto]

Hey, would it be possible to ask the mod for an idea of what powers the JOAT had, or are we just gonna be left in the dark?

[Davsto]

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Gastroente ... how/685412

I'm like 109% sure I already made that pun

[Davsto]

Please note the colon.

Also useful advice if you're a gastroenterologist.

[Davsto]

I'm 100% not buying the "if Starbuck and mollie were both town they'd have been killed by now because Lovers".

[Davsto]

Are you referring to the grocery store tell in name only because it's a thing that already exists, or because it's a secret tell that you don't want to tell anyone yet?

[Davsto]

Ahh, okay.

[Davsto]

See, what's actually bugging me is that Starbuck's writing off her town game as being abandoned and thus unreliable.

That game didn't become abandoned until a little into D5 (when poor geurty realised he'd fucked up the night actions). While I am anti-meta in general, the way that she's going "oh but it was abandoned so it's unreliable" when it's actually longer than a lot of games last anyway irks me slightly.

[Davsto]

But by constantly saying stuff like

I have one town game (which was abandoned and not played to completion)

and

the town game (that was abandoned)

you are very much implying that it being abandoned has some sort of negative effect on its reliability. You never refer to it as "the town game", you refer to it as "the town game (that was abandoned)" as if that makes any meta reads based on it less strong.