Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[Maxous]

vote: Flay Gunnar

I wanna see what actually happens

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also before I forget, i'm a miller

[Maxous]

cheap move

unvote, vote: Cold Pizza

[Maxous]

I think you got the name confused because I'm not the cheap move cheapskate cheater who posted #26.

are you scum-reading 3dicerolling

[Maxous]

ok

unvote, vote: antihero

I guess

[Maxous]

idk spiffeh, that seems overly aggressive for a weak reason

@CP: not really, no.

[Maxous]

I hereby degree a townread on users (Maxous, Spiffeh)

I think you're town too but noooooo to Spiffeh-town

his vote was weak, his explanation was a mess and he is trying to coerce CB onto lynchbait on page 5(!)

[Maxous]

idk spiffeh, that seems overly aggressive for a weak reason

@CP: not really, no.

Can I ask you why?

sorry.
i would explain if i thought it would help

[Maxous]

Maxous point me to a vote that isn't weak at this stage of the game please.

yes i know it's early but still, didn't like it

[Maxous]

CB acted such a way for people to attack them for it

maybe people could raise an eyebrow at CB not immediately unvoting but Spiffeh jumped down their throat over it

@Spiffeh: that ^ answers your question too

[Maxous]

maybe people could raise an eyebrow at CB not immediately unvoting but Spiffeh jumped down their throat over it

With that logic, what say scum can't hold themselves back from aggro like that?

can you re-word this please

[Maxous]

Gork wanna wagon itlepip?

My vote on itlepip is entirely serious.

I even wrote up a case check it out!

mollie can you join my itlepip wagon?

do you want my shiny spiffeh?

Yes on itlepip

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Yes on itlepip

Is your entire game just trying to push random wagons?

Someone's a little self conscious

~

so i'm gonna go ahead and vote Spiffeh.
like, how on earth is it "self-conscious" to react in that situation...it would be weirder if itlepip *didn't* react

TL;DR: Spiffeh is just trying to make itlepip look bad rather than trying to discern his alignment

unvote, vote: Spiffeh

[Maxous]

Maxous it's the fact that he discredits my vote on him by saying I'm pushing random wagons (which isn't true)

to be fair, I do think this is a good point, yes

[Maxous]

Wait you think it's a good point, but you still think he's scum?

Yes

[Maxous]

If you accuse somehow of something that you are also doing yourself

honestly, you've lost me here.
what exactly are you saying i'm doing.

[Maxous]

Maxous's TLDR says that it appears Spiffeh is just trying to paint Itlepip as scum rather than determine his alignment. Spiffeh tells Maxous his main, (and from what I read)only point against Itlepip, and Maxous believes it is a good point. I don't think it makes sense to believe the only point on the wagon is good, and still believe it's only goal is to paint someone else as scum.

go back to #227
I layed out that Spiffeh misrepped a very reasonable reaction from itlepip
Spiffeh

retroactively

made a point about itlepip that I can agree with.
not the same thing

[Maxous]

idk spiffeh, that seems overly aggressive for a weak reason

@CP: not really, no.

Why is being "overly aggressive" a scumtell? I'd say it is more likely to come from a Town-aligned player.

answer
It looked like scum seeing an opportunity to hard-push a wagon rather than a town making an appropriate measured response

[Maxous]

Zexion is scum.

Discuss.

what happened to this?

to answer: would probably lean-scum with how weakly he dropped the miller issue.
"hey guys should we make a thing out of this? no? no..? errr ok, lemme quietly drop the issue >.> "

[Maxous]

regarding CB vs Sunshine hydra - CB is looking a lot better out of the exchanges

[Maxous]

CB has made an active effort to engage and understand where your reads are coming while your side of the interactions have been standoffish and overly vague
it's far easier to see where CB is coming from and TBQH i'm having a hard time fully understanding why you have the reads you do because they were *not* explained clearly

[Maxous]

I think suzune's struggle for reads is mildly scummy

[Maxous]

Zexion slot

why

In all the games I've ever replaced in, I've had a relatively strong grasp on who I wanted to vote. That's what's kind of throwing me off about suzune.

well, i know it's not always easy to throw yourself into a game as soon as you replace in but i would of hoped for a *little* bit more, even gut reads

[Maxous]

Actually why gilgamesh

Because he's scumreading me while simultaneously not actually reading my posts and passing off a read as gut.

He's not actually reading my posts as I've referred to myself as a knight several times and his post referred to me as a king, which, if you were reading someone's posts closely enough to get a bearing on their alignment and especially if you were trying to divine associative tells from their posting, missing a detail that persisted through the ISO is pretty fucking sketchy.

HEAR YE, HEAR YE

By order of the king

I hereby degree a townread on users (Maxous, Spiffeh)

By order of the king, one "Antihero" has been sentenced to death.

@Notscience ^

[Maxous]

@ns - can you explain your anti scum read?

Not really. I wasn't satisfied by anything he's done but I've been willing to give him space (And still am) to get his head in things.

echoing this^ regarding antihero

[Maxous]

unvote, vote: Suzune

[Maxous]

"soft targets" are not automatically town

[Maxous]

suzune, that's a million times better

unvote, vote: MarioManiac4

your turn^

[Maxous]

Saki seems very town to me.

/opinion

[Maxous]

CB is probably town too but I would be a bit more cautious about that read.

While I'm at it, ill say that NS and 3DR round up the rest of my town-reads currently.

[Maxous]

I guess?
Being proactive tends to often be town.
I'll try and put some of the reads into words later for you

(v/la)

[Maxous]

@CB
What is wrong with saki's notscience read, I see nothing contradictory

[Maxous]

if i had to pick I would rather lynch itlepip over Saki.

honestly, i haven't seen even a half-convincing reason why Saki is scum

at least with itlepip there is a couple of points as to why he would be scum - mostly because of doing nothing but tunnelling on one(!) read

[Maxous]

unvote, vote: itlepip

Sure, tired of the game stalling anyway

[Maxous]

We have six days, so why are you narrowing to two wagons?

i'm not, was giving my thoughts on the current wagons
then i voted itlepip to see if anything would come from it really

[Maxous]

half tempted to hammer itlepip for lolz

I feel like it would not progress the town team if you do things just because.

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why are you so fluffy.

[Maxous]

as in you're

saying things

but you're not really giving opinions on who the town/scum is etc.

p-edit: @suzune

though uhh, I COULD vote Mario again if he doesn't give us anything

[Maxous]

so uhh confession, haven't been following this game much over the last few days.

I'm okay following 3DR and the confirmed town I guess?

w/e the case, I think Saki is a mislynch waiting to happen

[Maxous]

OK.
I swear I'm going to reread the thread and I'm going to force myself to get reads.

So this is the best I can get, mostly from gut;

MarioManiac4
Cold Pizza
Spiffeh
Maxous
CharlotteBebe
notscience
Saki
3dicerolling
Titus
Antihero
Gilgamesh King of Heroes
itlepip
Suzune

So;
VOTE: Suzune

Is that all you got Mario?

unfortunately.

Wait who is this gilgamesh guy and why does nobody seem to talk about him?

Also, on the scuminess of miller claims; I see them as almost exclusively town. I know some scum go ahead and do it anyway, but not so many.
The quality of scum seems to be fairly high in the game, from my lack of finding scumreads. I don't think they'd claim a role that would almost certainly end up getting them lynched anyway. The way Maxous did it, just saying "I'm miller" and not milking the towncred dry, is far more likely to come from town, IMO.
In fact you can put Maxous above Spiffeh in the list.

Pedit: Mostly just awkwardness.
I'd like a response on why so I can delve into that. Sometimes one hole in the scum-ship can end up propping others and sinking it.

these posts look pretty town

[Maxous]

CB is probably town too but I would be a bit more cautious about that read.

While I'm at it, ill say that NS and 3DR round up the rest of my town-reads currently.

Saki seems very town to me.

/opinion

uhh let's see here is where I was at last

[Maxous]

yeah ok,

Suzune, itlepip or Antihero

that's my lynchlist

[Maxous]

above is basically the 3 "least town" of the game

[Maxous]

The posts read as genuine overwhelmed town.
I don't think he's scum-faking it.

[Maxous]

They're saying I'm only town reading you because you buttered me up by calling me town.

FTR: I'm losing patience with anti and will prob hard-push him 2moro

[Maxous]

Her goals seem to be more developing reads then worrying about being read town which I think is towny.

She has been slow and hesitant to devolp reads which is *why* she is scummy

[Maxous]

Yeah I think Mario's softclaim is pretty genuine.
I don't like who is trying is trying to push the MM4 wagon through either, it feels like a mislynch.
Itlepip or suzune are good lynches ATM
I'll be more involved if I'm not still feeling like crap 2moro, sorry.

[Maxous]

So in suzune's #973 -
She ignored everything current going on, continued to park on spiffeh, only to answer a question directed at her(so she is reading the thread) and inform us that she explained herself multiple times already.
Guess who I'm death tunnelling 2moro.

[Maxous]

I'm not really trusting Titus as much as other are

[Maxous]

And w/e happens don't let antihero get away with doing absolutely nothing all game, he WILL pull this kind of craps as scum.
TIA

[Maxous]

I targeted Antihero last night.

If flip and something particular happens, you now know who I targeted

vote: Suzune

[Maxous]

*If I flip

[Maxous]

Don't claim before suzune does

[Maxous]

Considering I am not a master of soft claims, therefore I do not think I have made any. However, there was been one night in game so far and my target was antihero. I chose them because j have played with them before and they have been amazing late game with reasoning out the system, so o hoped to hear more of their reads. My second thought was charolette because I get good town feelings from them and that they seem to to after things that interest them.

suzune is a doc but she didn't protect cold pizza..

[Maxous]

half tempted to hammer itlepip for lolz

I feel like it would not progress the town team if you do things just because.

I thought it was pretty clear that I thought it was kind of scummy to want to hammer someone just because you wanted to. I apologise that it was not clear.

you thought antihero was scum???

[Maxous]

money says it's anti-climatic^

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the zero resistance to the suzune push is interesting and is she does indeed flip scum it would suggest that the initial wagon was heavily town-driven so scum had no choice but to play along.

[Maxous]

certainly the first 3 votes anyway

[Maxous]

[Maxous]

Myself, Titus and 3dr better not be roleblocked tonight

[Maxous]

Myself, Titus and 3dr better not be roleblocked tonight

Why 3dr?

Also I feel like that last vote was attempted distancing of scum before she dies. I am still in favor of killing Suzune here though.

because 3dr is on cb's "purify" list which I'm distrusting of

[Maxous]

vote: antihero

Pretty curious as to how the bulletproof died

@spiffeh: how exactly did rogue's ability work?

[Maxous]

I don't know they never told me what they were.

And Maxous you don't just get to vote without a reason. Titus too.

You mean the hammer and Antihero being a useless sack of shit isn't enough?

Plus the scum doctor protecting him from vig shots

[Maxous]

vote: antihero

Pretty curious as to how the bulletproof died

@spiffeh: how exactly did rogue's ability work?

Weak murders the person if they target scum and aren't blocked/healed.

Maybe scum shot itepip n1?

So rogue used a "weak" ability and didn't tell thier NEIGHBOUR who they were targeting.
Not sure I believe that

[Maxous]

I'm not a vig?

[Maxous]

She probably figured MM4 had tracked her or something
Or at least didn't want to take the risk of being caught lying

[Maxous]

Tell you what to avoid potential confusion, I'll full-claim before the end of the dayphase.
I do NOT advocate a mass-claim, particularly considering who is hardpushing for it

[Maxous]

Spiffeh

[Maxous]

Okay, everyone in thier post, confirm or deny that you are a vig please.

[Maxous]

I guess that's my cue to claim for the sake of clarity.

I'm Zeppel Kriever a

miller delayer

what this means is that if I target X on N1 then any action they take (including night kills) will be resolved on N2.

I targeted Antihero on Night 1.
No action on Night 2.

So it's plausible my role may have taken a night kill from the Night 1 and resolved it on Night 2, along with the Night 2 kill.

flavour-wise: i'm a miller cause I suck at hiding secrets and I can delay people by giving them a load of homework to do.

[Maxous]

@MarioManiac4:

You will indefinitely roleblock 3DiceRolling.

Confirm please

[Maxous]

No idea how itlepip died but I'm assuming scum will have a lot of power to do whatever.

FTR: my role doesn't confirm Anti as scum but combined with everything else he's been doing in the game...yeah

[Maxous]

Spiffeh should be rolecopped

@firebringer

[Maxous]

Uhh yes?
We can make that work

[Maxous]

So yeah..... I think we definitely should do at least flavor character claims.

why.

[Maxous]

better question:

@Firebringer

, are you familiar with this game and it's characters?

[Maxous]

i'm ok with a hammer

[Maxous]

Yeah, I learned that lesson the hard way too, if you are unsure at all just clarify with the mod in the future instead of assuming somebody is confirmed town.

That being said: I believe Titus would of won anyway, her distancing from antihero was very effective.