Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[Saki]

pagetop.

Pedit: shit
pedit2: double shit.

[Saki]

can i request that all hydrae kindly sign posts
just a single letter would help.

[Saki]

pagetop.

Pedit: shit
pedit2: double shit.

get wrecked son.

ik lol

[Saki]

But with Saki and Navizel and stuff I'm not gonna take any chances.

Yeah you're voting confirmed town to L-2 with Saki and people around.

also fuck you guys
VOTE: Cold Pizza
idk what the hell you're talking about

[Saki]

UNVOTE:

so in all seriousness, there's been a miller claim and a confirmed IC, right
do we have anything to lose by lynching the miller claim

[Saki]

is this a pr, notsci
else can you stop

[Saki]

UNVOTE:

so in all seriousness, there's been a miller claim and a confirmed IC, right
do we have anything to lose by lynching the miller claim

His majesty's respect and patience.

why

note that ive pretty much forgotten everything and anything about mafia so talk me through this

[Saki]

UNVOTE:

so in all seriousness, there's been a miller claim and a confirmed IC, right
do we have anything to lose by lynching the miller claim

Do you have any scumreads

in all honesty, no, not yet
like i said, i pretty much forgot a lot about how to play this game

not to mention i think people have done jack shit so far

[Saki]

so can anyone tell me why lynching the miller is a bad idea
because i can kinda see why it's a good idea but not much as to why it would be bad

[Saki]

thank you

so from what i understand he is a more likely candidate for a lynch / "watch carefully" target
not an instant lynch but neither a free pass into d2

ok

[Saki]

prod noted
that hurt

catch-up post (fuck chronological order)

This is where I am at now.

will you move your vote or engage in the game any further?

rip osu! crew

you may not know it but i, too, play osu

re: notty
it's fine if you wanna keep doing that but when you get tired of doing it please sign your posts
and don't say im stupid, im actually stupid

re: the miller business
forget it
please
im sorry i even brought it up

re: PFoS vs CB
i don't like CB being so lynch-happy, see 94 / 158 or that slight push on notty pr
but i don't really see the exchange as TvS, it reads more TvT (esp. "god i hope u are scum" stuff)

re: maxous/itlepip/spiffeh
i dont really see anything alignment indicative in that exchange apart from spiffeh's vroom vroom push on itle (i kinda like the IC votes, so obv reaction bait)

re: varsoon
why would you complain about other people posting a lot

so atm i wanna

FoS: CB, Spiffeh

VOTE: Suzune

that is all.
(by the court jester's decree)

[Saki]

catchup post

but i don't really see the exchange as TvS, it reads more TvT (esp. "god i hope u are scum" stuff)

i meant SvS, not TvS/TvT
there's no way that notsci/cb are scum together (it's really hard to have improv arguments) but either/or could be scum

it's the other person who's been acting like a double voter all game

holy fucking shit is that what it was
lol i just noticed the double vote, let alone the....damn

uh.... fucking what?

since when has a neg utility claim EVER been a towntell to you?

really forced towntell from mollie
kudos to anti for catching it

mod: replace me

Unvote: Maxous

I'm going to wait until this settles down a bit and I look over the thread again to place my vote.

i dont like this for some reason
why unvote at all, its d1

Ah, I'm sorry I forgot. I have never replaced in as someone who had a vote before. Usually they are voteless so I did not consider.
UNVOTE:
I will place a new vote when I am sure of a new place. I apologize.

checks out.

Wait, Saki why are you voting Suzune?

it was a pretty obvious pressure vote

I apologize, I am kind of scurrying

sums up suzune. scatterbrained(if you dont mind me using that word) play. not really alignment-indicative if genuine

VOTE: Suzune

Max should be vigged if possible. Your true King demands it.

suzune vote, max vig is a plus

The cretins practicing the dark magicks are Saki, Antihero, and Gilgamesh.

VOTE: Saki

That is all.

what the fuuuck
why
spiffeh did he give any evidence in the neighborhood

Because he's scumreading me while simultaneously not actually reading my posts and passing off a read as gut.

He's not actually reading my posts as I've referred to myself as a knight several times and his post referred to me as a king, which, if you were reading someone's posts closely enough to get a bearing on their alignment and especially if you were trying to divine associative tells from their posting, missing a detail that persisted through the ISO is pretty fucking sketchy.

im pretty sold on this.

what do you feel now about suzune?

again, suzune pressure....
i dont like it, idk why

unvote, vote: Suzune

...

Moderate-scummy. It's a fragile read, though.

my thoughts exactly

"soft targets" are not automatically town

yes, everyone knows that
but why not go for a low hanging fruit d1 instead of a lynch that would give us more info (spiffeh, notscience, CB, maxous)

These are some great wagons that's for sure.

i agree

For anyone who panicks and thinks, she posted that but is not doing anything. I am rereading the topic a lot more carefully this time.

im really glad you're deciding to do this instead of trying to lurk off the pressure

[Saki]

i am not liking how my pressure vote on suzune turned into a wagon
i think there is at least one scum on the wagon
so gilg/maxous

current reads

(town)
Saki
Cold Pizza (IC)
=======
(leaning town)
notscience
Antihero
itlepip
=======
(unsorted/iffy)
Spiffeh
Suzune
Mariomaniac4
3dicerolling
Zexion
=======
(leaning scum)
CharlotteBebe
GKOH
Maxous

[Saki]

current reads

(town)
Saki
Cold Pizza (IC)
=======
(leaning town)
notscience (neighbors w/ spiffeh, doublevoter, not scum with CB)
Antihero
itlepip
=======
(unsorted/iffy)
Spiffeh (neighbors with notscience)
Suzune (replacement)
Mariomaniac4
3dicerolling
Zexion (being replaced)
=======
(leaning scum)
CharlotteBebe
GKOH (something to do with notty's flavor)
Maxous (miller claim)

edited with notes.

[Saki]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Gilgamesh

[Saki]

(also, @everyone, i will now on refer to gilgamesh as 'greg,' please take note & laugh at the inside joke if you can)

[Saki]

so... instead of voting the wagon you're leaning scum on + 2 votes you start a new vanity wagon...

awesome... i'll go fuck myself now.

I don't recall calling Suzune scum. My vote was a pressure vote, but a wagon sprang off it.
My theory is that this wagon is that the Suzune wagon is a scum driven wagon.

Saki, please lay out your read on Suzune as well. A little more in-depth, please.

scatterbrained play. not really alignment-indicative if genuine

It's incredibly confusing that you would give me implied townpoints for voting and suspecting Suzune

never did this

I can only infer you now are reading Suzune as town

never did that

as even if we were both scum, you could simply help me bus my buddy to test your theory

what is up with that gigantic jump in logic
i dont get how you got to this step

To borrow some of you phrasing, why not go for a more information-giving lynch? Especially considering allowing the Suzune wagon to grow increases information, something very useful to someone who has an iffy read on said wagonee.

Suzune has very little interaction with the playerbase due to being a replacement, apart from the people on her wagon
vs
someone who's been here and actively participated all game

plus, wagoning someone for information is putting the cart before the horse
if you're going for an information lynch but first you have to generate information, that's not right

I also don't like that you have an innate scumread on the miller claim

i never said this

I don't think Max is confirmed town by any means, but it's not something worth pursuing D1, so it feels like you're using that as an excuse to vote me, honestly. Call the miller scum and hide behind "well, I don't want to lynch a miller claim D1", or some such.

the miller claim has nothing to do with my vote on you

going along with ns' "oh, he misinterpreted me being a king instead of a knight" logic

that's not the case notscience is making vs you
and it's not the reason why I'm scumreading you

call large page-spanning arguments "town vs town"

I retracted that statement
I cleared it up a couple posts ago
I said it wasn't TvT but it sure wasn't SvS
not SvS != TvT
it's a useful tidbit of information if either one of them flips scum down the road

[Saki]

i appreciate the effort you're putting into scumhunting, greg, but i fail to see what is directing your hunt

[Saki]

re-read my ISO, looks like greg just misunderstood a lot of my posts
i can kinda follow his train of thought arriving at saki-scum
the intent behind it seems genuine, at least
bumping up greg to townreads

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CharlotteBebe

[Saki]

i smell bullshit.

also i'd love to hear this case on us in more detail.
vote: saki

lets dance.

id also love something more than a shitty omgus vote
and the 'let us dance' thing is getting really fucking old and it just looks pathetic by now
please stop

[Saki]

Saki, please lay out your read on Suzune as well. A little more in-depth, please.

my vote:

will you move your vote or engage in the game any further?
...
VOTE: Suzune

her reply:

Ah, I'm sorry I forgot. I have never replaced in as someone who had a vote before. Usually they are voteless so I did not consider.
UNVOTE:
I will place a new vote when I am sure of a new place. I apologize.

I am perfectly satisfied with her answer. Her

play

so far has not (technically) been pro-town very much, but her

intent

shows no signs of a red role pm.
You don't lynch based on the former, while you do lynch based on the latter.
It's also the reason for my 180 on you earlier this page.

[Saki]

Her play so far has not (technically) been pro-town very much, but her intent shows no signs of a red role pm.
You don't lynch based on the former, while you do lynch based on the latter.

On the other hand, you have CB.

bad

play

('-' indicates where i see possible scum

intent

):

over-the-top drunk wagon driving (extending RVS, excessive play)
misrep-tunneling mollie
then scumreading her for replacing out (please notify me of a single time where a replace-out was patently alignment-indicative)
- Why would CB do this over actually trying to get a read on notscience, the remaining head
the whole meta-argument ("i didn't really read your scumgame but you still really don't look town")
- Why would CB ask mollie for meta in the first place
mollie-ankamius interaction ("why do you think im scum" -> "here" -> "ok, anything else?" -> "no" -> "you haven't been listening to me!")
- Why would ank care more about mollie's scumread on his partner rather than his partner's take on mollie's alignment
anti-ankamius interaction ("i'm not townreading you so you must be scum")

also, in general, zero harmony within the hydra (won't discuss reads together, don't even look over each other's scumreads)
this is just pathetic considering that the reason you hydra is to compile reads
and the whole not-considering-each-others' scum-reads bit just screams "i don't care about who i lynch" and that's really not a good attitude to have in a game, whatever color your role pm might be

[Saki]

so... instead of voting the wagon you're leaning scum on + 2 votes you start a new vanity wagon...

awesome... i'll go fuck myself now.

i missed this post earlier
no, i dont think suzune is scum
you know as well as i do that suzune is a bad wagon

no, gilgamesh is not a vanity wagon

keep fucking yourself
you haven't done jack shit this game apart from say sorry to mollie and throw shit back and forth with ankamius

how exactly was i extending rvs.

i liked the second vote on gifsoon
but you two went from engaging spiffeh on that point to randomly voting itlepip

objectively, i don't see that as anything other than de-railing the focus on your ic vote reaction test (which is by far the only thing that's happened at that point)

where did i misrep mollie ever.

her replacing out should be enough evidence for that

("i didn't really read your scumgame but you still really don't look town")

if you exaggerate any point it sounds bad.
this is what youre doing here and its scummy as fuck.

Spoiler:

i read the first part of your iso to get a feel for how your scumplay looks.
and when i felt i had a general idea, i stopped, because its halloween and im in a shit mood.

if you want specifics, i read how you pushed the titus-slot.
and how you joked around at the start.

you have exactly two lines that sum up mollie's scumgame
and you told her this

im just making a point that nothing either of you have done is reading as particularly town and it makes me wary

basically i find it questionable that i have so many things that you could be picking at right now.
youre picking at my response to you, but thats about it.
in ff it seemed like you did a similar thing with titus where you pushed her without really trying to figure her out.
in other games ive seen you ask scumreads questions.
where this reaction now is similar to what ive seen there, it seems reactionary, rather than proactive.

"you're pressuring me wah wah wah im a baby and i dont like it when ppl pick on me wah wah wah"
"so mollie must be playing to her scummeta because she's picking on me wah wah wah"
you have not actually drawn a parallel between mollie's scumgame and her play here
the number of posts you quoted from that game is zero

in these slew of posts you have called mollie out for playing to her scum meta by pressuring you
while also clearly stating that you actually haven't read jack shit into her meta
and you wonder why mollie called you scum for lying about her meta

Why would ank care more about mollie's scumread on his partner rather than his partner's take on mollie's alignment

because town wincon = lynching scum and scum wincon = not getting lynched
ank not commenting on your scumread on mollie at all
and asking her instead about why she's scumreading you (defending your actions)
looks like ank is playing to scum wincon
do i really need to spell this out

anti-ankamius interaction ("i'm not townreading you so you must be scum")

you can pressure someone for not doing anything, that's ok play
scumreading them for not doing anything three(four) rl days into day one is piss poor shit

zero harmony within the hydra (won't discuss reads together, don't even look over each other's scumreads)

me disagreeing with ank privately does not mean that we arent talking.
i disagree with some of his reads but im not going to actively stand in front of him on it in thread and instead talk about it with him where it wont be a distraction.

you arent doing this. you seem to be actively ignoring whatever ankamius has to say.
tip: please keep your own fucking reads from the thread since a) they're absolute shit
if you are going to put down the first thing that comes to your head in the thread instead of in your hydra topic you're doing it wrong
if your hydra partner has to ask people why they think you're scum something is very, very wrong
i would seriously consider policy lynching/vigging/even a modkill on that kind of crappy shit

feel free to tell me how your points on notty arent full of shit. because theres no way hes at the top of your townlist based on what youve said about him so far.

i dont ever recall saying that my readslist was ordered by strength of read
and please tell me where specifically you think what i've said about notty is 'full of shit' instead of flinging squirrel dung at it, tia

basically everything youre saying is garbage and the first bit of your case is actively ignoring details and making shit up and kind of scummy so please tell me how im wrong or i can feel justified in thinking youre a scumfuck.

lmao

then scumreading her for replacing out (please notify me of a single time where a replace-out was patently alignment-indicative)

also, you aren't going to say anything about this?
think you missed it

[Saki]

I'm curious saki, how do you know there is a red role pm? I see nothing about it in first post.

[Suzune's]

play

so far has not (technically) been pro-town very much, but her

intent

shows no signs of a red role pm.

I'm curious saki, how do you know there is a red role pm? I see nothing about it in first post.

The following is public knowledge: the setup consists of a

Town

faction versus a

single

groupscum faction, where "groupscum" is defined as having more than one player. It is not public knowledge whether other alignments exist in the game.

UNVOTE
VOTE: SAKI
VOTE: SAKI

Gate of Babylon: Saki
Chains of Heaven: Saki
Unleash Ea
Enuma Elish, The Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth: Saki

may i kindly remind you that the generic color for a scum role pm is red
and pretty much every game with a single groupscum faction has the scum role pm be red?

[Saki]

Mollie and I have history and I know for a fact that she pays attention to what I put in the thread as town and is aware that if she's town, I'll eventually get to that conclusion and be willing to work with her to solve the game. The fact that she basically went behind my back to scumread the slot based on Gork's actions without trying to engage me, then tried to sidestep my resulting engagement on her is eyebrow-raising at best.

It's significantly more likely that she didn't want to risk me catching her, so she decided to try to preemptively give herself a reason not to engage with me.

Spoiler:

I forgot to mention that the least specific thing I will accept are specific posts, so please go into why you're scumreading this slot and give specific posts for it.

Is that your entire case?

-Ank

UNVOTE: Antihero[/vote]
VOTE: PocketFullofSunshine

btw, I think ank wld try to talk to me more but he isn't is he.

This is incredibly ironic, considering that other than a single throwaway comment earlier in the game, the extent of your interactions with me have been trying to blow me off despite

me specifically trying to engage you

.

you stopped engaging her the moment she refused to make a pbp analysis of Gork (which is reasonable given her mood at the time, and the fact that gork wasn't doing the same while scumreading mollie)
you dropped the ball on your end first.
and then you went back and are spewing bullshit about how she has failed to talk to you

Have you ever played with antihero before?

yes
but you dont have to be a fucking rocket scientist to figure out that he's obviously disinterested and apathetic towards the game
if you scum-read him not providing useful content halfway into d1 imo that's a borderline trust tell and just absolute bullshit because it doesn't work out that way
people aren't fucking machines

lmao

There's no way in hell you believe this logic is sound. The fact that you're even mentioning this is scummy as fuck.

it's sound
please tell me how a hydra that doesnt compile scumreads is helpful to the town in any way

[Saki]

Well, why are you scumreading me, then? Because your 482/3 go from reading me as town to a sudden scumread without any explanation.

Also from 482 - "really forced towntell from mollie, kudos to anti for catching it".

So why are you voting me over Max for being on the Suzune wagon? If you're objecting to me saying you're reading Suzune as town, why did you jump off the wagon? If you don't have a scumread on the miller claim, why are you not voting notscience now given the above quote and your newfound townread on me?

Why don't any of your reads seem to line up with what you're saying?

first of all, im not scumreading you anymore
and my initial scumread came from the fact that your suzune vote was opportunistic
im not going to explain again why i voted you over max
i already explained why suzune was a bad wagon
i dont see the miller claim as scum, nor as town
ive already explained that too

you're pretty much just going in circles and trying to bite your tail atm


maybe i can offer one piece of advice
mafia is not about black and white
ive outlined the difference between

play

and

intent

take, for example, the gifsoon wagon in RVS
it's obviously anti-town shitty scum play (voting confirmed town)
but im pretty sure none of the people that voted were intending to lynch
they were pretty obviously intending to bait out a reaction from some people

you can call out people for bad play but you cannot lynch them for poor play unless they're absolute dipshits like Slandaar or T S O (if you ever happen to meet either one in a game, policy lynch day one.)

[Saki]

@ank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_psychology
should help you understand why threatening someone (who's already apathetic enough) with your vote is not going to get them to do what you want them to do

[Saki]

except i gave reasons for thinking both 3dice and itle were scummy at the time, thus making it not an rvs vote.
it was in direct response to the reaction test youre referring to.

fair enough, i missed that

right. how descriptive.

you dont need a lot of words to say something, you just have to get to what's important

i) "mollie and notty arent striking me as town and thats kinda sketch"

faulty logic, but ok

ii) "mollie's meta from her scumgame from what ive read is similar enough that i cant say that this is her towngame and her push on my slot is similarly void of any kind of substance in a way thats similar to how she opened into that scumgame she linked such that i can see her being scum"

so yes, you did say her play resembles her scumgame and announced you had a slight scumlean because of it

and i established that there were other people that i was scumreading much more strongly at this point so you going "OH MY FUCKING GOD HOW COULD GORK BE PUSHING MOLLIE ON THESE WEAK POINTS" is pretty much absolutely fucking moot.

that's not my point
my point is that
you went from "mollie/notty don't seem town" to "ok mollie is scummy because her play is kinda similar to her scumgame"
meta is never a reliable argument in cases going for either argument
and on top of that it was your a) sole reason and b) you also said you didn't even look into it that well
yes, you had other scumreads
yes, you were pushing other people
but nevertheless i dont like how your push on mollie started

iii) mollie started seeming more like scum the more she started to devolve the argument into abstract and distracting bullshit instead of actually talking to me, which especially seemed scummy because she had literally just got out of a game where she deathtunneled someone on d1 as town and mislynched them for better reasons than what shed given so far in this game.
saying that someone is scummy because they said theyd looked at a game youd linked because they couldnt have read the whole thing is pretty garbage and she refused to acknowledge that and just kept digging deeper when i pointed that out. i think the manner in which she did it felt more like scum frustration than town frustration.

from her pov, before you guys started rolling in the shit pit together
1. your scumlean on her is one part "she hasnt done anything town yet" and one part "her game kinda looks like her scumgame which i didn't even look into throughly"
2. mollie says "that's not true, my game here does not resemble my game there, did you even read the game throughly"
3. you say "yes it does, and no i didn't read it"
4. mollie accuses you of 'lying about her meta' (lying about someone's meta to scumread them is a pretty common scum move btw) and votes you
5. you vote her
6. all hell breaks loose

my point is
you didn't back off at any point during 2, 3, or 4 even though she was giving you signs that told you you were clearly in the wrong (you cannot argue with someone on what their meta is like. that is just dumb)
i wont comment on what that devolved into bc everyone's been to the shit pit with red hot anger at some point
and then you decided on scumreading her AFTER she replaced out (which should've been a second sign to back off)

so tl;dr what im saying is
i think you are forcing yourself to keep a consistent scumread on mollie (commonly known as tunneling)
and that isnt something many town players do ever

like, i get that im a piece of shit.
but i just get this distinct feeling that your main goal here isnt to make us seem scummy or figure us out, its to make us feel bad.

nah
did you even see gilgamesh's 529
and im not giving him shit for it

you and gilgamesh are both playing like shit, yes
but you guys have different intentions (and obv. different playstyles and actions)
is what im saying

like i said repeatedly
i dont want to lynch someone off of bad play (those two you-know-whos just get a special mention)
but i dont see town intentions behind the way you are playing

[Saki]

Titus replaces Zexion!

VOTE: Titus

....

VOTE: CharlotteBebe

We have six days, so why are you narrowing to two wagons?

game's slowing down
and there isnt anyone really speaking up about starting a new one?

I'm voting itlepip as the biggest wagon.
I'd like a flip to work with, sort of.

VOTE: MM

That's just shit reasoning. There's no point to assuming one of the two major wagons six days before deadline must be flipped. At best, it's intellectual laziness.

thats a shit vote

titus can be tentatively town.

how is that vote in any way town
it just screams scum to me

Never read on subbing in. A majority of the game is town and it's day 1. My default is why push someone.

sub 600 posts, titus
please read the game
and regardless of being town or scum a player IS going to have a reason to push someone so idk why you're asking w/o reading

[Saki]

1 and 2. This is completely false. I naked voted her once she made it clear that she didn't have any kind of case on this slot from before her vote.

she did
she literally said "gorkington is lying about my meta thats what i do when im scum"
and that was pretty much her entire case
you just missed it

I've already went into why I think this is more likely to come from scum-mollie than town-mollie. You'll also notice that I was the one who initiated the interaction between us. Until that point, the only time Mollie had spoken to me at all was a throwaway comment about our play in the first few pages.

i disagree
you didnt even post until mollie and gork were deathtunneling each other
im not going to hold that against you but you can't really say that you were there to somehow stop mollie and your hydra buddy from tunneling each other and she shrugged you off

Then tell me how you know so much about how this hydra works that you're willing to make and push a point on it despite us never stating how this hydra functions up to that point?

i dont know how your hydra works
but i know how a hydra SHOULD work
and you arent playing like how one should
you are technically one player
you should not be scumreading mollie because she refused to communicate with you when your hydra partner and mollie were in the shit pit

i can only infer that your course of action would be to convince mollie that gorkington is not scum
hence taking no stance on gork's actions (which seems to me like not claiming responsibility)
which means that you are hiding behind your hydra partner
a hydra should not be some kind of gimmick that helps scum more than town
thats just bullshit

[Saki]

ah, the classic titus moonlogic train
fuck my life

half tempted to hammer itlepip for lolz

Here after more legend league.

you guys really have no intention of playing day one, do you

Why not just say "us" or "the town"?

please dont start the linguistic tells thing
its not worth the trouble

[Saki]

pdodge

[Saki]

oh and a quick reply (phoneposting, soz) to mara

ftr, effortsaki was never alignment indicative
i was never consistent enough a player to be meta'd
and this is my first game of mafia since i was banned for fire emblem back in 2013
so two years have gone by since ive last played

please tell me you have something other than meta to lynch me for

[Saki]

Saki has been prodded! As this is their third prod, I will also search for a replacement; he may remain in the game if he returns before a replacement is found.

Im here

[Saki]

As I told notty I think I'm having an issue because I'm trying to keep myself in a limit of 1-2 games at a time and I'm only in this one (since the blitz ended) and I think I'm going batshit crazy because I want to play and people aren't.

ftr ive been dreading to get back to this game since you and titus replaced in and the signal:noise ratio went plummetting

[Saki]

[quote="In post 798
Also, yes my read on Saki is kinda based on meta, gut and the whole red text thing. I already know the point has been brought up that he's taken a break and has come back which explains the effort, but I just don't feel town!Saki vibes.[/quote]
if this is the entirety of your scumread on me
something tells me you havent even went through my iso at least once and that worries me

like please dont tell me youre seriously scumreading me for saying that a mafia role pm is red

[Saki]

Fuck phoneposting and those tags -_-

[Saki]

Anyways i have more bones to pick and i re-thought some of my reads but quoting on a phone is a bitch

[Saki]

Firebringer Catch up notes

Pages 1-10

I don’t like Cold Pizza jumping on that RVS wagon at all. The push doesn’t look like a scum push though.
Cold feels town with his posts, or relaxed scum but I doubt that. Don’t like the whole “are you scum” ugh. Page 3 and Cold Pizza is confirmed town IC. LOL I guess I called it. Charlotte doesn’t take vote off, kind of scummy. Spiffeh votes for someone for intentionally acting scummy, I think this was bait. Now I feel Spiffeh is scum. Spiffeh taking advantage of it, not liking. Charlotte posts weird posts actually, I doubt scum is this personality? Still don’t like Spiffeh

The stupid case by PFoS to say Anti is scum is just…awful. Then itlepip sheeps it like this is still RVS >.>

Yeah I like the itlepip wagon. Itlepip is just throwing arounds votes and votes Spiffeh? Yeah, he looks bad. Zexion entrance is meh null leaning scum him. Pocketfullofsunshine is town by laidback attitude and general IDGAF town tone. Spiffeh asking for a town bloc and I still don’t like him. 3dice got a town feel just by the RVS wagon actually his posts are meh. Itlepip post about town bloc is awful. Page 7 is empty of content. I like Ank vote on Anti since he hasn’t been contributing anything. All the jokes about Cold Pizza maybe being town is funny but not contributing. MarioManiac entrance is town! No, its null.

Scum so far:
Spiffeh-For reasons stated above.

Anti-Not providing any real content and not engaging with anyone.

Ittlepip-The only reason I doubt is push from SPiffeh on him, but that could be scum bussing because he did something so scummy.

Will be back later for 11-20

focus on the whole IC vote reaction test thing and the miller claim shenanigans tia

[Saki]

VOTE: Saki

choo choo saki wagon

i honestly dont give a fuck about this game anymore
i thought mafia was going to be a challenging but enjoyable mental exercise and its doing nothing but stressing me out

pretty much everyone in this game is playing like a sack of shit
i dont fucking know why i have a wagon when i havent seen a single good reason as to why i am scum other than 'lol gut read' and 'saki wagon is gaining traction'
literally the only person to mention any specific posts that i made were firebringer (who called my fleeting scumread on gilgamesh scummy and said nothing about his predecessors omgus vote or shoddy play) and titus (who is complaining about me calling her play full of moonlogic; its fucking true though)

[Saki]

oh and btw

saki
rogue
charlottebebe
antihero

are the only four people worth voting for today
so put your votes there tia

[Saki]

^ that was me taking a page out of mala and notty's book by not explaining a single one of my reads

also come to think about it i would add 3dice to that list

everything else is either town or a shitty d1 (mis-)lynch

[Saki]

hey, another person that wont explain his reads
you hiding behind your hydra partner like this is the exact reason people ban hydras from games

[Saki]

Kinda sad I am not in that list, wanna vote saki ank?

let me get this straight
you are sad that i am calling your lynch a shitty d1 lynch
and you were just screaming omg im a mislynch a couple pages ago
pfft

[Saki]

VOTE: Saki
That selfvote doesn't seem like frustrated town to me. Why wouldn't you just replace out?

Also yay condensing.

wagon ho
its >1 day to dl
if youve never modded a game you wouldnt know the pain of having to find a replacement
also im like 100% sure town isnt going to win this game by the way people are playing so i really have no reason to keep myself alive

[Saki]

I don't like people getting pissy when it looks like they might be lynched.

tbh it didnt even look like i was going to be lynched until i self voted

[Saki]

I'm up for it. I kinda sorta approve of a Suzune wagon but Saki is far superior.

VOTE: Saki

-Ank

that's l-1 and i refuse to claim so hammer at will

[Saki]

hey, another person that wont explain his reads
you hiding behind your hydra partner like this is the exact reason people ban hydras from games

yeah
kindly explain to me where gork posting 15-20 messages in a row without running anything by you is not you hiding behind gork

[Saki]

Please don't do this if you are town. Please.

it's a role madness game
one pr dying isnt too big of a swing in any direction
but towns still going to lose anyways so w.e

[Saki]

If you're town this is really annoying

VOTE: Suzune

thats not one of the five people you should be voting

[Saki]

L minus 1 again.

nope, that's hammer
spiffeh wasnt voting me

[Saki]

oh nvm it isnt

[Saki]

Eh

INTENT TO HAMMER

I still don't see town motivation in acting like this

Like you can also not act like this and just replace out if you don't want to play? If you don't give a shit about the game I doubt you give a shit about mods finding a replacement.

ive already refused to claim why would you claim intent rofl
and id rather save sakura and pie the trouble of having to find a rep
think they already had to replace what, four? five? people already

[Saki]

I still don't see town motivation in acting like this

and youre right
town wouldnt blatantly drive a wagon on themselves and refuse to claim
but is there scum intent behind it

hell naw

its like an obv jester play but this game isnt bastard

[Saki]

like this is the kind of shit thats so frustrating

people think "this person isnt doing what a good townie is doing" makes that person scum

hell no
hell fucking no

ive been yelling at people over why they shouldnt think like that but why does it matter because nobody is listening

[Saki]

I'm sure they appreciate you playing against your WC a lot more

so hammer me or i get modkilled
w.e

[Saki]

inb4 someone comes in and goes 'does town saki usually do this' and try to meta
e.e i should go back to not visiting this site ever

[Saki]

Can't be worse than you assuming you know how this hydra works and trying to pin it as scum-intent when you have no actual idea at all!

i dont have to know your account password to know that obviously you guys arent condensing reads off-thread

[Saki]

and i honestly dont fucking know why 'omg you called my hydra scummy' is the only bone you have to pick with me, ank
dont you want to discuss any of the other ninty-nine points i posted re: why your slot is scum

[Saki]

thanks man

peace out guys

[Saki]

oh and btw

saki
rogue
charlottebebe
antihero

are the only four people worth voting for today
so put your votes there tia

l2read