Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

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VOTE: Coldpizza

I like my pizza hot

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Mama-Khemia: Mafia in Al-RVS
(couldn't resist.)

It's going to be a long game.

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VOTE: Coldpizza

I like my pizza hot

One day you're gonna have pizza for a dinner.

And when you take a bite out of it, you will realize that your pizza was cold.

Or will it be so cold that it is hot?

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Roll a dice. 1-3 I'm town. 4-6 I'm not scum.

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no

Sold.

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VOTE: CharlotteBebe

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Anti is scum because-

A) Because his role pm reads scum

B) Because he has access to the scum pt

C) Because he didn't pray to rngeezus hard enough

pyp

So basically you know he's scum because you are too?

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I feel like I want to call notty hydra town, but I haven't played with anyone in 2 years, so.....

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I'm sort of confused what's going on right now. I feel like instead of morphing from RVS into seriousness, it's pretty much stayed the same level.

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Yes on itlepip

Is your entire game just trying to push random wagons?

Why do you think it's random?

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Maxous it's the fact that he discredits my vote on him by saying I'm pushing random wagons (which isn't true)

to be fair, I do think this is a good point, yes

Wait you think it's a good point, but you still think he's scum?

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VOTE: Maxous

That logic does not make any sense. It seems like you are trying to do what you just accused Spiffeh of.

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@CharlotteBebe - If you accuse somehow of something that you are also doing yourself, it's grasping at straws, which in turn is scummy because scum do not have any scum reads because they know who is scum.

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and have you ever seen this scumtell in action and caught someone with it?

Maybe not necessarily caught someone with it, but it has led to either a scummy reaction from them or town reaction, which has either led to the pursuit of their lunch or me backing off.

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If you accuse somehow of something that you are also doing yourself

honestly, you've lost me here.
what exactly are you saying i'm doing.

It looks like you are just trying to make Spiffeh look scummy rather than discern his alignment.

Maybe not necessarily caught someone with it, but it has led to either a scummy reaction from them or town reaction, which has either led to the pursuit of their lunch or me backing off.

im reading into this interaction more and im really not seeing how maxous is being a hypocrite here.
to me it seems like hes saying that the majority of what spiff is doing comes across as him starting from a conclusion and working backwards, and despite agreeing that a point is valid, it doesnt discredit the rest of what maxous is saying and to boil down everything hes saying into "this is hypocritical!" comes across as reductive in a way i dont like.
talk to me about why maxous discredits his own case on spiff if hes scum whos grasping at straws.

Maxous's TLDR says that it appears Spiffeh is just trying to paint Itlepip as scum rather than determine his alignment. Spiffeh tells Maxous his main, (and from what I read)only point against Itlepip, and Maxous believes it is a good point. I don't think it makes sense to believe the only point on the wagon is good, and still believe it's only goal is to paint someone else as scum.

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Mario do you have any other reads?

3dice do you think it's likely scum would claim miller in their first post?

To be quite frank, I have no idea. I have not ever played with a first post miller claim.

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hey mollie you wanna' tell me about that max townread?

...b/c i'm not feeling it...

cos he claimed miller

@ bebe

erm...I naked vote all of the time? both of you shld know that.

and notty is fine, does give you a way to tell us apart? then why are you complaining

Do you think miller claim makes his auto town?

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hey mollie you wanna' tell me about that max townread?

...b/c i'm not feeling it...

cos he claimed miller

@ bebe

erm...I naked vote all of the time? both of you shld know that.

and notty is fine, does give you a way to tell us apart? then why are you complaining

Do you think miller claim makes his auto town?

@PFoS

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3 dice

nope

its enough to make me leave him alone for now tho

So what are your other scum reads besides CB? And what is your main point for why you think CB's play is scummy?

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Maxous's TLDR says that it appears Spiffeh is just trying to paint Itlepip as scum rather than determine his alignment. Spiffeh tells Maxous his main, (and from what I read)only point against Itlepip, and Maxous believes it is a good point. I don't think it makes sense to believe the only point on the wagon is good, and still believe it's only goal is to paint someone else as scum.

go back to #227
I layed out that Spiffeh misrepped a very reasonable reaction from itlepip
Spiffeh

retroactively

made a point about itlepip that I can agree with.
not the same thing

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I read it as contradictory but looking over it I see what you mean.

Unvote: Maxous

I'm going to wait until this settles down a bit and I look over the thread again to place my vote.

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I think spiffeh is town.
Anti is slight gut townread.
I think PFoS's arguments were pretty lackluster, so until Notty comes in and clarifies better.

VOTE: Notscience

I'm also not a huge fan of navizel slot. Navizel's few posts were not too great and I do not like the hesitance the slot has with its vote.

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I would if I had two votes.

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Who else do you think is scum spiffeh?

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Zexion slot, maybe Suzune, and maaaaaaaaybe CB for pseudo-defending itlepip.

Not really confident in any of those though.

In all the games I've ever replaced in, I've had a relatively strong grasp on who I wanted to vote. That's what's kind of throwing me off about suzune.

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I'm also not a fan of BC's PFoS push and I'm pretty sure notty is town.

I was townreading PFoS at first, but recent posts seem unecessarily aggressive, which is why I'm interested to see what ns has to say.

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Zexion slot

why

In all the games I've ever replaced in, I've had a relatively strong grasp on who I wanted to vote. That's what's kind of throwing me off about suzune.

well, i know it's not always easy to throw yourself into a game as soon as you replace in but i would of hoped for a *little* bit more, even gut reads

From what I've noticed, there is a unique perspective you have replacing into a game rather than being in it from the start. This may just be me, but I feel like the slot should have a vote out there.

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I understand personal preferences, but that perspective seems like you are limiting how voting is in mafia. A vote could have many different reasons, be it pressure, reaction testing, ect.

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The cretins practicing the dark magicks are Saki, Antihero, and Gilgamesh.

Explain.

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Sold.

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I'm not saying you're wrong.

But you're wrong.

This doesn't make me want to lynch you any less.

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@ns - can you explain your anti scum read? Also, if you are getting onto gilga for not making a comeback post for not reading the thread, what do you feel now about suzune?

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Actually, I think I'm ready to sheep spiffeh.

VOTE: itlepip

I don't like the timing of #438. At all.

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Look at the last time he posted compared to that random pop-in.

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I mean I know why I don't like it but I want to see if your reasons are similar.

Well the fact that he posted shows he was following the thread, but I thought he was going to add something (like a response to you), so I'm pretty sure he was active-lurking.

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CB's chansaw defense of itlepip is looking worse and worse imo especially since he completely dropped his dialogue with me.

I'll look at it closer. I can't really get a good read on CB.

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I'm curious saki, how do you know there is a red role pm? I see nothing about it in first post.

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@MM4

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[Suzune's]

play

so far has not (technically) been pro-town very much, but her

intent

shows no signs of a red role pm.

I'm curious saki, how do you know there is a red role pm? I see nothing about it in first post.

The following is public knowledge: the setup consists of a

Town

faction versus a

single

groupscum faction, where "groupscum" is defined as having more than one player. It is not public knowledge whether other alignments exist in the game.

UNVOTE
VOTE: SAKI
VOTE: SAKI

Gate of Babylon: Saki
Chains of Heaven: Saki
Unleash Ea
Enuma Elish, The Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth: Saki

Dang man, you just went ham

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@Maxous - You should vote itlepip.

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I think it's a bad thing if the guy on V/LA is one of the more active players

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Yay.

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titus can be tentatively town.

Why are you pushing Saki?

A better question is why not push saki?

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I'm voting itlepip as the biggest wagon.
I'd like a flip to work with, sort of.

VOTE: MM

That's just shit reasoning. There's no point to assuming one of the two major wagons six days before deadline must be flipped. At best, it's intellectual laziness.

And I agree with this, but it seems like MM4 is like this in every game.

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I'm voting itlepip as the biggest wagon.
I'd like a flip to work with, sort of.

VOTE: MM

That's just shit reasoning. There's no point to assuming one of the two major wagons six days before deadline must be flipped. At best, it's intellectual laziness.

And I agree with this, but it seems like MM4 is like this in every game.

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@Itlepip - The death tunnel is two ways apparently

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half tempted to hammer itlepip for lolz

I feel like it would not progress the town team if you do things just because.

"The town team"?

Yeah this is pretty much the most awkward way you can say the town. Probably not that big of a deal, but newer scum do tend to be more awkward.

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I apologise but I do not get it is kind of vague. What is there to not get about it. Looks pretty simple to me. Itlepip commented silly when he should have commented on the events. This in turn bothered spif. So spif voted on him and got a mini wagon started for no reason. Itlepip attempted to confront him about the reason for the train and spif said basically that his reaction was enough to justify the train.

It looks to me like a lucky mistake. I know how frustrating it is to be in that position itlepip was in and with no real case sitting on him the train does not make sense to me. There is the case in a nutshell.

Although to be fair to you Mario. You joined that train for a while for no real reason.

There is definitely reasoning behind the wagon. The way you are talking is as if you are only reading through a certain page. Lucky mistake literally makes no sense whatsoever. You need to elaborate more.

@Itlepip - I'm going to respond to you later when I can get on a computer, where I can quote better and look at the thread easier.

I'm also not a fan of the MM4 wagon, but I do think Titus is town. Still scumreading Rogue slot.

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@Itlepip - The death tunnel is two ways apparently

I said that there is a chance that Spiffeh is town and I'm reacting too strongly to his mindless death tunnel.
Speaking of which, are you still voting me for lurking?

But obviously not that big of a chance because you were still voting him here?

Yes and no. It's part lurking, part gut, and part I think you are trying to look like you are doing stuff when you are pretty much doing nothing.

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Yep it's actually pretty not-funny that you are being all secretly, but it's probably fucking obvious so teetering around it is pretty sad.

I mean you already got me annoyed by touching the don't discuss ongoing game rules without directly violating the rules, but coming preeeeeeetttttttttty damn close.

~r

Sorry
fine, I'll say it.
I think anti is town because I don't think Vayne would be so deeply into his role as a scum fakeclaim.

Can you give some deeper insight into your current vote? Also, why do you believe you have as many votes on you as you do?

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@Itlepip - The death tunnel is two ways apparently

I said that there is a chance that Spiffeh is town and I'm reacting too strongly to his mindless death tunnel.
Speaking of which, are you still voting me for lurking?

But obviously not that big of a chance because you were still voting him here?

Yes and no. It's part lurking, part gut, and part I think you are trying to look like you are doing stuff when you are pretty much doing nothing.

I'm voting for mario, also I think a lot of people haven't done anything, Mario is the first to come to mind with hsi I still can't get any reads thing, but neither you nor spiffeh have really contributed anything serious this game. Gil has made 2 posts that are meaningful to the game so he is clearly in that pile too.

I said here, as in at the time you were voting for spiffeh when you made the statement that he had a chance of being town. And to say I've been doing nothing is garbage. I've developed several of my reads.

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^this please. I'd like to hear more of your reasoning before I (CHOO CHOO) vote saki.

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I apologise but I do not get it is kind of vague. What is there to not get about it. Looks pretty simple to me. Itlepip commented silly when he should have commented on the events. This in turn bothered spif. So spif voted on him and got a mini wagon started for no reason. Itlepip attempted to confront him about the reason for the train and spif said basically that his reaction was enough to justify the train.

It looks to me like a lucky mistake. I know how frustrating it is to be in that position itlepip was in and with no real case sitting on him the train does not make sense to me. There is the case in a nutshell.

Although to be fair to you Mario. You joined that train for a while for no real reason.

There is definitely reasoning behind the wagon. The way you are talking is as if you are only reading through a certain page. Lucky mistake literally makes no sense whatsoever. You need to elaborate more.

@Itlepip - I'm going to respond to you later when I can get on a computer, where I can quote better and look at the thread easier.

I'm also not a fan of the MM4 wagon, but I do think Titus is town. Still scumreading Rogue slot.

i apologize but I get a bad feeling from this lynch. I feel pretty sure it is going to come up townie. Since you clearly are well clued in on the reasons perhaps you can explain it for me because I do not see anyone joining the train for really well thought out reasons.

Not sure why you are apologizing. I'm also not sure why you are asking me to answer a question I just asked you?

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That innocent child is cold pizza

Who hasn't posted in ages and isn't in any way leading town to victory.

I must agree they are quite quiet.

heh 'quite quiet'


in before spiffeh or 3die yell at me for making a joke post, 3die, you haven't developed any more reads than I have, and I have explained most of mine.

I didn't even vote you for the joke post. You are acting like spiffeh and I have a war against jokes. I voted you for the reaction to your own wagon. I was also intrigued to see how more pressure would affect you, and you got really quiet during that period of time. That is why my vote is on you. I also have not liked where your votes have landed this game.

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From what I have observed from MM4 is that he usually plays like this, so I think he could be an easy mis-lynch.

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From what I have observed from MM4 is that he usually plays like this, so I think he could be an easy mis-lynch.

Dude, talk to Mario, I'm an easy mislynch...saying that someone's playstyle is kinda scummy doesn't make them town. I've made awkward posts in literally every game I've played and they have been scumread. I got mislynched d1 in a game I was playing with Mario, but I don't say 'hey I played bad in this other game so I'm excused from playing bad here' and someone else saying it about me doesn't make it any more valid. Same thing applies to Mario.

First of all, I've never played with you or looked over a game your in, so I have no idea what you play like. I'm just going off of what I typically see scum do. Second, I do agree it's no excuse for playing badly, but progressing from a bad player to a good player takes time.

I'm am kind of getting some town frustration vibes from Itlepip in this post, but I'm not entirely sure yet.

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Why do you think so?

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@rogue - You are voting for saki, but have definitely scum read on suzune?

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I'm not sold on saki yet, but I'm fine with a suzune lynch.

VOTE: Suzune

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Ok cool Spiffeh is still town.

So is CB.

I understand all of these reads except CB. He's kind of just gotten apathetic which I'm not sure is alignment indicative.

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This game is becoming (a)pathetic.

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Eh, I'm not sure anti/suzune would both be on mm4

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i dont know!
ive been putting off reading things on him.
i was literally going to go read your case on him again and then got pfffty at you saying you were getting townvibes from him.

Did you read the post that got town vibes?

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i probably did at one point but this game is going through me like a ghost.

Well, you should become more like eating a loaf of bread with nothing to drink afterwards.

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Aaaaaaand itlepip is back into my scumreads.

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3dice come vote for him.

I will if we need it to lynch, but I'm slightly more confident in Suzune ATM.

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be back in about 24 hours

Great, so you won't comeback til nighttime?

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The correct thing to say there is "I will make it happen, or screw over the village because I am refusing to condense on a wagon when we need to have a lynch in the next 24 hours"

Do I really need to bring up the Blitz that just ended?

Yeah, I joined up on PV and we won.
What exactly about that game you want to remind me off?

I don't agree with either of these two wagons,

they are both strong town for me

.

This is an issue

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lol neutral

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what game have you been reading?

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lol neutral

This isn't town you.
You are so scum.

Since when do you know my town meta? And if you say chat mafia I'm going to PL you

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Titus is likely scum too.

My Scum List:
Titus
3dicerolling
Saki
Anti [Maybe if one of those other 3 are wrong]

Titus is not scum. This list is terrible

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chat mafia? I played like 2 games of that. Where you playing that? lol.

Yeah I was doomhammer.

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lol neutral

This isn't town you.
You are so scum.

Since when do you know my town meta? And if you say chat mafia I'm going to PL you

Maybe saying that was "town you" is bad.
This isn't how a town would play.

You are playing like a scum!

And you are cheeky, which isn't really alignment indicative.

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Let's break down firebringer's though process:

You are scum because you are neutral > false
You are scum because this isn't how you play as town > false
You are scum because you are scum > false

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Let's break down firebringer's though process:

you look scummier than FB right now.
just fyi.
;D

Idc.

@titus - How do you feel about the speed this saki wagon has materialized?

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zzzzzzzzzz.
3dice.
theres a day left in the cycle.
why are you even trying to pitch speed of wagon as meaning anything?

Maybe because one player I've felt uneasy about all game and one player I'm scumreading just hopped on it?

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then why are you not asking titus about them joining it specifically rather than framing it as a speed of wagon issue?

Spiffeh also suggest he would compromise on saki. That's 3 players in less than 5 minutes. I'm not really sure what you are getting at here.

zzzzzzzzzz.
3dice.
theres a day left in the cycle.
why are you even trying to pitch speed of wagon as meaning anything?

Maybe because one player I've felt uneasy about all game and one player I'm scumreading just hopped on it?

Do you have any reads besides me being scum?? you are worse than spiffeh, who at least moved the game forward and developed other reads.

Not sure why you are freaking out, I'm not even voting you right now. And yes I do, I just usually don't post reads that often because I find that scum can manipulate me easier when they know my current status on people.

Town:
Cold Pizza
Titus (strong entrance, scum hunting)
Spiffeh (His reasoning on Itlepip is surprisingly similar to my thought process in most of my town games)
MM4 (Mainly gut and his reactions to wagon, but I think soft claim is townish as well)

Townish:
Maxous (I like his thought process)
Firebringer (Even though he's scumreading Titus and I, I just think he's off. I was townreading gilga too)
CharlotteBebe (I liked much of their early game arguments against PFoS, but the fizzle out has left them closer to null for me now)

Meh:
Rogue (I didn't like mollie or notscience's play, but mala has me more confused)
Antihero (I don't know if he is scum or apathetic)
Saki (I think they lost the arguments with CB, but I'm not sure that necessarily makes them scum)

Scum:
Itlepip (Reactions to wagon, asking for full claim of MM4, and just gut in general. I was beginning to town read, but his recent posts have shot him back into scum)
Suzune (Awkward posting, her vote is parked on spiffeh, my strong town read, don't really see much scum hunting, I could go on)

Let's break down firebringer's though process:

you look scummier than FB right now.
just fyi.
;D

Idc.

@titus - How do you feel about the speed this saki wagon has materialized?

Rogue wanted it badly and it's been discussed all day. Mario's better but it's not terrible. Saki's not scummy just a jerk discrediting my posts as moonlogic.

What is moonlogic?

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Yeah you have to go further than an important role if you want me to unvote.

I still hate the Suzanne wagon

What can this imply other than wanting a full role claim?

Also, what if mm4 super important town role is like a BP? Then scum would shoot him and he wouldn't die. Town knowing him as BP would be useless and just ward scum away from lynching him.

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@3dice, It's a a rude way of stating you're reads make no sense and I'm not going to try.

@Rogue

Votecount Please

Where did he discredit your posts as moonlogic?

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I'm up for it. I kinda sorta approve of a Suzune wagon but Saki is far superior.

VOTE: Saki

-Ank

that's l-1 and i refuse to claim so hammer at will

Please don't do this if you are town. Please.

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Please don't do this if you are town. Please.

it's a role madness game
one pr dying isnt too big of a swing in any direction
but towns still going to lose anyways so w.e

I'd rather not mis-lynch day 1 because someone self-imploded. It has happened to many time in past games, and it's frustrating.

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VOTE: Saki
That selfvote doesn't seem like frustrated town to me. Why wouldn't you just replace out?

Also yay condensing.

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VOTE: Suzune

Nothing has really changed for me on her.

Firebringer and maxous go up on townreads due to wagon reactions.

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Not gonna lie, I'm pretty confused at this point.

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Not gonna lie, I'm pretty confused at this point.

I could see this as Suzune scumbuddy not knowing what to say

This is a joke right?

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how could Rogue have been shot?
Also, CB are you okay with the suzune lynch now?

There could be a vig, if it's not the scum target.

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No

Well, then your just completely wrong.

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Reading up tonight.

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Looks like most of everything was relatively short posts, so that did not take too long.

Not gonna lie, I'm pretty confused at this point.

This post was not directed at suzune's claim. If it was, I would have unvoted. I was confused because I was not entirely sure why everyone began claiming, although reading back, I do understand mario's claim.

Dude, it's totally possible scum shot Rogue?

This also was part of the reason why I was confused.

how could Rogue have been shot?
Also, CB are you okay with the suzune lynch now?

There could be a vig, if it's not the scum target.

wtf. I was asking why titus thought that Rogue was shot.

I am liking the suzune 3die team a lot right now.

Itlepip did not really address anyone in this post, so I misread it as a general "How could he be shot?", and so I answered. The fact that itlepip then begins to scum read me right after that is offsetting.

soft guilty + soft cc, what are we waiting on?

If there is a town antihero in the game, will he please stand up and speak his mind more often? I feel like getting you to play is going to be like grinding teeth.

I want to hear from Rogue tbh.

QFT. I didn't really like Rogue's disappearance near the end of the day yesterday. I would like to hear more from this slot.

Well if we are all done with this foolishness, I think I would like to lynch

someone else

.

VOTE: 3dicerolling

Someone else as in anyone that's not you?

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Antihero sux

I think this may actually be the answer.

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Spiffeh is town.

I'm pretty confident mm4 is town.

That leaves the rest to sort out.

Mass claim sounds like a good idea.

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Rogue's flip raises a good question whether CB vs PFoS is town vs town or scum vs town. I'm going to go back and read once I'm not in school or super busy.

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What do you think of mass claim CB?

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didnt ranger target them?
and yay being on the same page.

Ranger?

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Okay, so it was gork who voted me, but Ank who unvoted?

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zzzz.
rogue, sorry. names are blending together from different games.
i remember firebringer and rogue talking about targets and stuff and it seemed like rogue had targetted them n1 and given that they were alive d2 i would assume that would mean firebringer is town.

Wouldn't Firebringer be a part of the neighborhood though?

im only really interested in one claim right now.
and thats primarily from a gamesolving perspective.

Do you think the mass claim should start off with a specific player or with the vigilante?

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Tell you what to avoid potential confusion, I'll full-claim before the end of the dayphase.
I do NOT advocate a mass-claim, particularly considering who is hardpushing for it

I'm kind of confused by this. Who is pushing it so hard that you don't want to do it? Spiffeh? Titus?

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Slice and dice boys (and Titus), slice and dice.

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I'm also a ninja!

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Now kindly take your bull crap scumread on me and place it somewhere else, so I can see if you are scum.

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N1 - Rogue
N2 - Rogue

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how could Rogue have been shot?
Also, CB are you okay with the suzune lynch now?

There could be a vig, if it's not the scum target.

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I confirm Titus did protect rogue because they survived through my shot.

VOTE: Charlottebebe

Let's make this happen

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"Ank"

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There is also a gork head that has been committed to seeing me dead when it's convenient

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So you're a tracker and saw him go nowhere?

I'm part ninja vigilante

[3dicerolling]

Should I flavor claim as well?

[3dicerolling]

Ok, so 3dice is conftown if there aren't any other vig claims. I can also confirm that it checks out because we saw 3dicerolling going nowhere last night.

-Ank

Wrong. 3dice can be SK. His story doesn't match with rule 1.

Think. The only situation I said that he'd be conftown is if none of the other kills are claimed.

-Ank

Why would I lie about my targets though? What would I gain from that as an sk?

No.

It's more likely

Rogue implodes on AH.
Scum/SK murder itepip and Cold Pizza.

[3dicerolling]

Ugh phone posts

Why would I lie about my targets though? What would I gain from that as an sk?

[3dicerolling]

VOTE: Antihero

[3dicerolling]

So Titus scum buddy?

[3dicerolling]

What is fb role again?

[3dicerolling]

If it's rolecop, have him rolecop me tonight and he can see that I am a ninja vigilante.

[3dicerolling]

Investigation immune and ninja? Charlottebebe has already proved I am a ninja. Boo to you

[3dicerolling]

How would investigation immune even work on role cop? Mafia wiki says it just gives cops town result

[3dicerolling]

I did crumb it though

[3dicerolling]

how could Rogue have been shot?
Also, CB are you okay with the suzune lynch now?

There could be a vig, if it's not the scum target.

Vig and target.

[3dicerolling]

No, I did not claim the ninja. Honestly, I was worried scum would pick up on my big claim because what I said to itlepip was kind of out there

[3dicerolling]

Cashing in after?

[3dicerolling]

Wrong, I claimed ninja right after my claim. I claimed what I am because as long as I tell the truth, everything should add up. You still want to misrepresent me though.

[3dicerolling]

Those first two posts were before my claim, so they have absolutely no relevance here whatsoever. Show me where ank hints my role is garbage.

No, because the way Itlepip reacted, it did not appear he understood the meaning of what I said. I also wanted to shoot rogue, due to their lack of activity during the suzune wagon made me think they were lurking it out to see what happened.

@mm4 - I'm fine with this.

[3dicerolling]

I got Rogue last night.
As soon as notsci got Mala in he disappeared and from my experience with ns!scum he lurks.
But no point in that now.

I confirm I will RB 3dicerolling every night due to a suspiciously sk-like role

I got the same feeling from that slot. That's partially why I shot them.

[3dicerolling]

I need you to clarify on the "Steven's universe" thing you said earlier titus

[3dicerolling]

What did it say when he was rolecopped?

[3dicerolling]

What did it say when he was rolecopped?

Ewwww. I am confirmed i healed rogue fmpov. Why you want to fish me?

[3dicerolling]

I was talking about the godfather in Steven's universe

[3dicerolling]

Anna Lemouri, accomplished swordswoman

[3dicerolling]

What did it say when they were rolecopped?

[3dicerolling]

Remind me again why I shouldn't just be rolecopped titus?

[3dicerolling]

Remind me again why I shouldn't just be rolecopped titus?

Like I said Stevens Universe.

So just to clarify, you think I'm a ninja, investigation immune sk, who if role copped will show a role other than serial killer? And you justify this from one, large, role madness game? You don't think it's overpowered at all?

[3dicerolling]

Spiffeh should be rolecopped

@firebringer

I can roll with that. If Spiffeh's hypothetical ascetic triggers, he can just be copped again.

Firebringer's role is non-consecutive night, so we would have to wait another night after the initial role cop to use it again.

[3dicerolling]

I guess I better figure out who the last scum is. That way, when I'm lynched and flip town, you will have some one confirmed town opinion on the last scum.

[3dicerolling]

I guess I better figure out who the last scum is. That way, when I'm lynched and flip town, you will have some one confirmed town opinion on the last scum.

Who do you think we should lynch?

Who did you queue up to vig and why?

Without re-reading at all, I think Firebringer is probably the last scum.

I chose Firebringer because I believed Mario was town, CB was town, Maxous was town, and you were town (albeit, with really terrible logic). I also thought non consecutive night rolecop fit in as a final scum role.

[3dicerolling]

I'm not sure. Do you think it's spiffeh then?

[3dicerolling]

Spiffeh or Ank.

By lynching you, we remove SK doubt. If Ank really confirms himself then by PoE it's Spiffeh.

Using your logic, why would CB try to clear us as scum?

[3dicerolling]

We specifically were told that 3dicerolling didn't visit anyone, not no result.

-Ank

So you're a tracker and saw him go nowhere?

Yes, we tracked him night two.

-Ank

No real point in disguising this anymore, I guess.

Purify allows us to pick three votes in a row and we'll be able to track all three the following night. 3Dice and Maxous' claims both check out with our results. I'm hiding our result on Titus for the moment, but we both think she's likely town here.

-Ank

PEdit: Spiffeh, Antihero targeting Itlepip twice fits.

[3dicerolling]

I don't see scum CB actively trying to clear us as town.

[3dicerolling]

Well then you are just bad

[3dicerolling]

Or maybe I'm just bad

[3dicerolling]

votecount 1.35 (final)

itlepip (2) - Cold Pizza, Maxous

Spiffeh (1) -

Suzune

MarioManiac4 (2) -

Antihero, Vayne Aurelius

Suzune

(2) -

3dicerolling

, Spiffeh

Saki (7) - Firebringer,

Rogue

,

itlepip, Saki

, CharlotteBebe, Titus, MarioManiac4

Not Voting (0) -

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is November 13, 17:50 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-11-13 17:50:00).

votecount 2.4 (final)

Suzune

(7) - MarioManiac4, Firebringer,

Maxous

,

3dicerolling

,

itlepip

, CharlotteBebe,

Antihero

Not voting (5) -

Rogue

, Suzune,

Cold Pizza

, Spiffeh, Titus

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is November 25, 2:30 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-11-25 02:30:00).

votecount 3.5 (final)

Antihero

(5) -

Maxous

, CharlotteBebe,

3dicerolling

, Titus, Firebringer

Not voting (3) -

Antihero

, Spiffeh, MarioManiac4

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is November 28, 23:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2015-11-28 23:00:00).

@spiffeh scum - Looking through these, it's

very

hard for me to believe 0 scum was on saki wagon. Spiffeh not being on the suzune wagon would make some sense because antihero was on there. Then when you look at the antihero wagon, I think scum would have bussed him. IMO this points to spiffeh being

Town

.

@Firebringer scum - Would make sense because he is on saki wagon. He was on suzune wagon early which is neutral imo because it could be scum bus. Firebringer is on the antihero wagon which makes sense as scum bussing scum. IMO this points to Firebringer being

Scum

@Titus scum - Pretty much same situation as firebringer via the vote counts, but tbh I don't see scum losing their vote or having 2 protection roles. IMO this points to Titus being

Town.

@CharlotteBebe scum - On saki wagon, but right next to anti on suzune wagon does not really seem like it would be scum. I feel scum would have not bussed both at the end. Being on the Antihero wagon does seem scummy as well, but there role plus there play points to them for me as

town.

@MarioManiac4 - There is always the slight possibility of mm4 being scum. If you think about night 1, he may or may not have roleblocked suzune, but that cannot be confirmed because

Antihero

actually did the kill because it was delayed. He was on the suzune wagon very early which I don't think scum would bus that early. He also isn't on the antihero wagon, which does not make sense as scum too me. IMO mm4 is

Town.

Vote: Firebringer

Honestly, if it comes down to it, I'd rather be lynched now than in LYLO, but I'm voting to show where I stand on the final scum read.

[3dicerolling]

I also have no idea why you would target the claimed ascetic over the claimed vig. Post 1286 proves we have no overarching, investigation immunity.

[3dicerolling]

*blinks* that is the most intellectual form of buddying I have ever seen.

wut

[3dicerolling]

being a hydra makes everything more complicated
if i were just rolling solo i would claim without thinking about it but i dont want to claim and then have ank be like "shit son u fukn ruined my plans".
and i'd feel especially bad about that because ank has had his shit together a lot more than me this game.

We have time.

[3dicerolling]

You can do a VCA of your own if you like. I've always just done the hammer wagon, and from what I remember, the results have been positive.

[3dicerolling]

Do you remember this game titus?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5756331

[3dicerolling]

Nope, I actually fit town vigilante pretty well.

[3dicerolling]

Explain why as sk I would shoot rogue twice. Explain why I didn't shoot someone more pertinent. Explain why I didn't shoot mm4, when I knew he had a powerful role.

[3dicerolling]

Okay.
We have literally one day.
You shouldn't lynch me because

I am an important power role

. I will clarify if needed.
Vote itlepip please.

Okay.
We have literally one day.
You shouldn't lynch me because

I am an important power role

. I will clarify if needed.
Vote itlepip please.

Okay.
We have literally one day.
You shouldn't lynch me because

I am an important power role

. I will clarify if needed.
Vote itlepip please.

[3dicerolling]

Explain why as sk I would shoot rogue twice. Explain why I didn't shoot someone more pertinent. Explain why I didn't shoot mm4, when I knew he had a powerful role.

Not sure how you knew that.

Rogue was a weak neighbor. I think she imploded on AH.

Then who did I shoot n2 if it wasn't rogue?

[3dicerolling]

The body count depends on whether I would shoot or not, which is dependent on what the town believes is the right move.

[3dicerolling]

Actually if we lynch fb and he flips scum we win.

[3dicerolling]

The body count depends on whether I would shoot or not, which is dependent on what the town believes is the right move.

Under no scenario do I feel comfortable with you shooting.

I know, you think I'm sk, but you are also not the only one in this game with an opinion.

[3dicerolling]

I already stated if I'm going to be lynched in LYLO, then I want to be lynched now, but I'm trying to explore every possibility to convince you guys I am town because it gives us one extra opportunity for a mislynch.

[3dicerolling]

lol

[3dicerolling]

All of your questions are loaded because you haven't explored the possibility I'm town since my claim.

[3dicerolling]

Explain why as sk I would shoot rogue twice. Explain why I didn't shoot someone more pertinent. Explain why I didn't shoot mm4, when I knew he had a powerful role.

Not sure how you knew that.

Rogue was a weak neighbor. I think she imploded on AH.

Then who did I shoot n2 if it wasn't rogue?

[3dicerolling]

titus, how much of your resistance to lynching firebringer is coming from him copping you n1?

Most of it is due to the fact I am convinced that we only have two lynches. So 3dice needs to die.
Then FB copping me.
Then everyone not town reading FB.

The goal needs to be to avoid disaster.

FB claimed non-consecutive

[3dicerolling]

Answer #1456 titus.

[3dicerolling]

titus, how much of your resistance to lynching firebringer is coming from him copping you n1?

Most of it is due to the fact I am convinced that we only have two lynches. So 3dice needs to die.
Then FB copping me.
Then everyone not town reading FB.

The goal needs to be to avoid disaster.

FB claimed non-consecutive

So, we aren't blocking his cop

Somehow he got rb'd though?

[3dicerolling]

spiff's ascetic claim lines up.

Your right, I forgot

[3dicerolling]

Explain why as sk I would shoot rogue twice. Explain why I didn't shoot someone more pertinent. Explain why I didn't shoot mm4, when I knew he had a powerful role.

Not sure how you knew that.

Rogue was a weak neighbor. I think she imploded on AH.

Then who did I shoot n2 if it wasn't rogue?

Itepip most likely.

Rogue implodes.
You shoot itepip. AH shoots itepip.
AH shot cold pizza N1 with strongman.

Wrong. Itlepip was claimed BP. Antihero strongmanned itlepip. As sk I have no reason to shoot an unconfirmed kill.

[3dicerolling]

actually.
wait no.
how does pizza die then?
:/

Maxous delayed him.

[3dicerolling]

*delayed Antihero

[3dicerolling]

also titus, itle makes most sense as strongman kill from scum to break BP.

It makes more sense to kill conftown as a Strongman FMPOV. When it dies, scum throw mud on protective roles. Shoot BP after Suzune was guiltied, suggests a mislynch in whoever RB blocked. SK has to shoot BP because unmurderable people are bad.

It makes more sense than town 3dice murdering someone I wanted to talk to.

[3dicerolling]

No, because if spiffeh is lynched today, I die tomorrow.

[3dicerolling]

That would be a scum firebringer.

[3dicerolling]

No, because if spiffeh is lynched today, I die tomorrow.

You shoot FB tonight if Spiffeh is lynched due to your prior submitted action. Scum FB has to lynch you.

I was roleblocked?

[3dicerolling]

No, because if spiffeh is lynched today, I die tomorrow.

You shoot FB tonight if Spiffeh is lynched due to your prior submitted action. Scum FB has to lynch you.

I was roleblocked?

Delayed only I thought?

How would you know whether I was delayed or not? Also, MM4 roleblocked me last night.

[3dicerolling]

No, because if spiffeh is lynched today, I die tomorrow.

You shoot FB tonight if Spiffeh is lynched due to your prior submitted action. Scum FB has to lynch you.

I was roleblocked?

Delayed only I thought?

How would you know whether I was delayed or not? Also, MM4 roleblocked me last night.

Cuz tithe flip?

But if mm4 is telling the truth I was roleblocked, so there was no action to be delayed.

[3dicerolling]

How do you know whether I was delayed or not?

[3dicerolling]

You're assuming the next flip will yield the fact I was delayed, but why are you assuming I was delayed in the first place?

[3dicerolling]

Did maxous claim he would delay me?

[3dicerolling]

Yes, you told mm4 to block us, but you had no such encounter with Maxous. I will reiterate my question.

How do you know whether we were delayed or not?

[3dicerolling]

3dice.
why are you even trying to frame titus as being potential scum here?
shes not.
stop trying.

I don't care what she is or what she isn't. I care because she is trying to frame me as sk with stupid logic and everyone's just like "hur dur sk"

[3dicerolling]

youre a claimed ninja.
you being sk is always going to be on the table.

I get this. I 100% understand this; however, Titus isn't even trying to look at a chance of us being vig. She's been tunneling me ever since my claim.

[3dicerolling]

I already stated who I think is scum. Nothing firebringer has said or done can change that. If anyone is discrediting, it's you.

[3dicerolling]

*has changed that

[3dicerolling]

*has changed that

[3dicerolling]

Yes, you told mm4 to block us, but you had no such encounter with Maxous. I will reiterate my question.

How do you know whether we were delayed or not?

[3dicerolling]

i hate abrasive players. they make themselves so unnecessarily hard to read.
on a side note, i think i would hate being in a game with myself.

Nah you're alright.

[3dicerolling]

Explain why firebringer is town.

[3dicerolling]

Being overly emotional and ticking you off is not an efficient route to safety at all as scum.

im not entirely convinced that scumfire knows the most efficient way to winning.
if i ignore the last few pages, he still makes the most sense as scum based on votespread.
the only thing thats making me anxious is that spiff isnt anywhere near townie enough for me to be okay with him right now.

QFT

[3dicerolling]

We're not lynching today until I'm confident the rest of the town will lynch the final scum.

[3dicerolling]

We're not lynching today until I'm confident the rest of the town will lynch the final scum.

Who died and made you king?

Me. I'm going to die by tunnel hard titus, flip town, then I'm going to be crowned as town by the mod. See how this works?

[3dicerolling]

If titus is correct, my delayed shot will kill you.

[3dicerolling]

Chrome 4 life

[3dicerolling]

By saying Firebringer is town and spiffeh is scum, you are saying that 0 scum were on the saki wagon. I don't think I can believe that.

[3dicerolling]

Honestly, I don't think spiffeh scum makes sense with the setup either. Ascetic with a doctor means the only person suzune could protect is antihero, which isn't very powerful at all.

[3dicerolling]

Honestly, I don't think spiffeh scum makes sense with the setup either. Ascetic with a doctor means the only person suzune could protect is antihero, which isn't very powerful at all.

Reflexive roleblocker instead?

[3dicerolling]

Seriously though, is that even a thing?

[3dicerolling]

Has it occured in more than one game?

[3dicerolling]

Has it occured in more than one game?

Voteless player after D4 has never occurred as far as I know.

But you are wrong about my role? (This will of course, be apparent after my flip, but play along for now)

[3dicerolling]

The evidence will come in my flip. You will see that not every role you see in other setups will be in this one.

[3dicerolling]

There has been one more thing that's been bugging me.

@Titus - IF delay does happen before roleblock, then my shot will hit Firebringer and we will either lose or win, correct?

[3dicerolling]

but like.
mafia doctor is literally useless then.
like why even have the role in the game.

i actively feel like pie/sakura wouldnt do that.

Especially with how powerful the town is. (If you factor in vigilante)

[3dicerolling]

There has been one more thing that's been bugging me.

@Titus - IF delay does happen before roleblock, then my shot will hit Firebringer and we will either lose or win, correct?

Not if you're dead.

Ah okay.

[3dicerolling]

The only thing offsetting about spiffeh is his lack of activity this day

[3dicerolling]

Is that really all you have to say spiffeh?

[3dicerolling]

He needs to roleblock fb because spiffeh is tentatively ascetic

[3dicerolling]

So we win?