Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

OOC: Sorry for the late entrance, I'll catch up tomorrow or Sunday.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

VOTE: Suzune

Max should be vigged if possible. Your true King demands it.

Speaking of, notscience, you would do best to stop presenting yourself as king here. This will be your only warning.

Catchup notes:
CPizza, Spiffy and Bebe are leaning town. Reasons - IC/gut/keeping vote on IC, respectively.
3dr and Anti are both null very slightly leaning town.
Max should be vigged because miller. 227 is weird.
Scumleaning Suzune/itle/ns, noting itle/ns are not likely as a scumteam. Voting Suzune because of 315. ns/Sunshine are leaning on gut, itle's votes and reasoning this game feel off.
No real reads on Mario/Saki/Zexion.

and notty is fine, does give you a way to tell us apart? then why are you complaining

because gimmicks like the one notty is using are annoying to decipher and are easy for scum to hide behind.

Gimmicks? Hah! You haven't seen anything yet, mongrel.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

He's not actually reading my posts as I've referred to myself as a knight several times and his post referred to me as a king, which, if you were reading someone's posts closely enough to get a bearing on their alignment and especially if you were trying to divine associative tells from their posting, missing a detail that persisted through the ISO is pretty fucking sketchy.

Whomever knighted you was not fit to do so. Only I hold that privilege.

Regardless of your terminology, your title is a sham. You are nothing more than a faker.


And for the record, my scumread on you is on your slot as a whole. You and mollie both had some weird posts that pinged me, but nothing I can quite point out, so I noted a leaning scumread. That said, I don't think I want you lynched

today

. At least, not as of this post.

3dr's 423 is bad, between misrepping notsci and the way he's trying to divert attention is something I see coming from scum more than town. Not sure if that makes Suzune more or less likely to be scum if I take that read into account.

I probably shouldn't give it much thought for right now.

Notty, what is your opinion on Suzune?

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

i could also use a golden scepter to shove up my ass but i don't see anyone handing me one

My treasury contains endless golden scepters. You, however, are unworthy to lay your hands on one. Shame.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Notty, why did you ask someone else for their read on Suzune while dodging my question of "What is your read on Suzune?"?

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Saki, please lay out your read on Suzune as well. A little more in-depth, please.

It's incredibly confusing that you would give me implied townpoints for voting and suspecting Suzune, then turning around and voting me. I can only infer you now are reading Suzune as town, as even if we

were

both scum, you could simply help me bus my buddy to test your theory. However, your read on her is "iffy", which I don't understand how that motivates you to switch votes here. To borrow some of you phrasing, why not go for a more information-giving lynch? Especially considering allowing the Suzune wagon to grow increases information, something very useful to someone who has an iffy read on said wagonee.

I also don't like that you have an innate scumread on the miller claim. I don't think Max is confirmed town by any means, but it's not something worth pursuing D1, so it feels like you're using that as an excuse to vote me, honestly. Call the miller scum and hide behind "well, I don't want to lynch a miller claim D1", or some such.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Actually, between the seemingly forced leaps in logic there mixed in with actually going along with ns' "oh, he misinterpreted me being a king instead of a knight" logic as an added stepping stone, plus I dislike players who sit back and call large page-spanning arguments "town vs town" as it's an eays cop-out...

Vote: Saki

Let's dance, mongrel.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

[Suzune's]

play

so far has not (technically) been pro-town very much, but her

intent

shows no signs of a red role pm.

I'm curious saki, how do you know there is a red role pm? I see nothing about it in first post.

The following is public knowledge: the setup consists of a

Town

faction versus a

single

groupscum faction, where "groupscum" is defined as having more than one player. It is not public knowledge whether other alignments exist in the game.

UNVOTE
VOTE: SAKI
VOTE: SAKI

Gate of Babylon: Saki
Chains of Heaven: Saki
Unleash Ea
Enuma Elish, The Star of Creation that Split Heaven and Earth: Saki

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Oh, also, I'll tear into Saki's response to me after I run some time sensitive errands. Her newfound townread on me will not sway my opinions very far, if at all.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

*his

My apologies.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

It's incredibly confusing that you would give me implied townpoints for voting and suspecting Suzune

never did this

482 - "suzune vote, max vig is a plus"

I can only infer you now are reading Suzune as town

never did that

Again, then why not keep your vote and continue to gather information? Why vote me unless you think Suzune is town? Because if you think I'm scum, you can't have a scumread on Saki, unless you think we're both scum, in which case... Why not leave your vote on Suzune and see what I do?

as even if we were both scum, you could simply help me bus my buddy to test your theory

what is up with that gigantic jump in logic
i dont get how you got to this step

You were voting Suzune.
I voted Suzune.
You voted me.
Therefore, I can only infer that your read on Suzune is closer to town than scum. Otherwise, see above.

I'm not sure how to spell this out any simpler.

To borrow some of you phrasing, why not go for a more information-giving lynch? Especially considering allowing the Suzune wagon to grow increases information, something very useful to someone who has an iffy read on said wagonee.

Suzune has very little interaction with the playerbase due to being a replacement, apart from the people on her wagon
vs
someone who's been here and actively participated all game

plus, wagoning someone for information is putting the cart before the horse
if you're going for an information lynch but first you have to generate information, that's not right

Okay, so if we're talking about voting and pressuring players that have been participating all game, why choose me when I made a horribly late entrance? Suzune has been in this game longer than I have, technically.

I also don't like that you have an innate scumread on the miller claim

i never said this

(leaning scum)
CharlotteBebe
GKOH (something to do with notty's flavor)

Maxous (miller claim)

I don't think Max is confirmed town by any means, but it's not something worth pursuing D1, so it feels like you're using that as an excuse to vote me, honestly. Call the miller scum and hide behind "well, I don't want to lynch a miller claim D1", or some such.

the miller claim has nothing to do with my vote on you

483 - "i am not liking how my pressure vote on suzune turned into a wagon. i think there is at least one scum on the wagon. so gilg/maxous

So, why are you voting me over Max, then?

going along with ns' "oh, he misinterpreted me being a king instead of a knight" logic

that's not the case notscience is making vs you
and it's not the reason why I'm scumreading you[/quote]

Well, why

are

you scumreading me, then? Because your 482/3 go from reading me as town to a sudden scumread without any explanation.

Also from 482 - "really forced towntell from mollie, kudos to anti for catching it".

So why are you voting me over Max for being on the Suzune wagon? If you're objecting to me saying you're reading Suzune as town, why did you jump off the wagon? If you don't have a scumread on the miller claim, why are you not voting notscience now given the above quote and your newfound townread on me?

Why don't any of your reads seem to line up with what you're saying?

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Notty, answer my questions.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

@mod - VLA today and tomorrow.

Also, my name doesn't have a The in it.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

At best, it's intellectual laziness.

Never read on subbing in. A majority of the game is town and it's day 1.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Content dodge 'til tomorrow.

I will say that I'm liking Rogue/ns more for town, despite him ignoring me multiple times earlier and that I'm not yet sure how to feel about Titus voting Saki.

I believe there was one comment that is giving me pause on MM4 scum, but I'll say more tomorrow when I have time to go back and reread.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

@mod: requesting replacement

Sorry all, been both busy and demotivated, and don't want to drag the game down any further. Hope to play with you all again, and I'll still be half-reading along, I just seriously lack the energy to actively participate any further. When reading just a few pages feels like a chore, there's something wrong, and I think it's just a huge lack of me wanting to play mafia at this time.

Final thoughts, I feel Saki or Suzune are good lynches today. Someone who can read Titus should keep an eye on her because I think it's highly possible she's Saki's scumbuddy if Saki flips scum, as she went from deflecting when asked to give an opinion on Saki ("I don't read when I replace in etc.") and then 180'd her later. Maybe that's too obvious.

718 is the post giving me pause on MM4 scum because 'uncomfortable' is EXACTLY the word I was looking for to describe Suzune. I think there's legitimate scumhunting going on there. Not including the softclaim (although let's be honest, those are nulltells... still...).

Mara has helped boost ns' slot up to a townread. Anti and Charlotte can get tentative town-passes but I didn't look into them too hard past the surface. Basically-nullreads on 3dr/itlepip/Spiffeh; haven't payed attention to them much. Maybe a slight lean on 3dr for catching the Saki thing, although... hmm, maybe keep an eye on him for that.

Anyway. Adieu. Good luck to all, sorry again for bailing.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Called that it was Suzune x Titus. Shame I got distracted with Saki. Still thought it was Titus going into that LYLO... Guess I shouldn't have replaced out.

[Gilgamesh King Of Heroes]

Firebringer, with how you played most of your LYLO, you don't really have room to complain about losing.

When your plan in LYLO is to refuse to case your crossvoter (Spiffeh ending up being town aside) and generally reacting to being called scum in a very newbish manner, you're not exactly aiding the town wincon.

I may have been hard tunneling on Titus as I spectated, but in most situations I would have also assumed she was town. So I don't fault you for that, and I am grateful you replaced in and helped out... But playing sub-optimally and then chewing out the mod and refusing to take your loss is immature at best.

pedit, oh yeah, the roleblocker forgetting to submit didn't help... Lots of us really dropped the ball here.