Mini 1735 - Mana Khemia: Mafia in Al-Revis [End]

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: GIFVarsoon
Because it's impossible to not RVS GIF.

[MarioManiac4]

Mama-Khemia: Mafia in Al-RVS
(couldn't resist.)

[MarioManiac4]

Oh hey
I just arrived and a wild nine pages have appeared and y'all need to stop being American

[MarioManiac4]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p7348743
VOTE: itlepip

[MarioManiac4]

going for the fake ic claim?

Trying to catch up and failing, here.
I'd like to ask for the intent of this post.

[MarioManiac4]

idk spiffeh, that seems overly aggressive for a weak reason

@CP: not really, no.

Why is being "overly aggressive" a scumtell? I'd say it is more likely to come from a Town-aligned player.

[MarioManiac4]

@Mario why are you voting for itlepip?

Didn't see anything useful despite clearly having lots of time and effort to post with.

[MarioManiac4]

CB and PFOS are both town.
So is Spiffeh.
3dice is probtown too.
Zexion could go either way.
itlepip is scum.

Discuss!

[MarioManiac4]

Good Evening everyone, I will try to read and catch up now~

If you find it possible you have a greater concentration level than I.

[MarioManiac4]

you what

fuck this shit

I cannot handle another game where anti is a total dick and lynches me on d1

mod: replace me

[MarioManiac4]

Ack. I don't know why but I can't seem to get any reads :/

[MarioManiac4]

why can't i get reeeeeeeeeads

[MarioManiac4]

I'm voting itlepip as the biggest wagon.
I'd like a flip to work with, sort of.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm voting itlepip as the biggest wagon.
I'd like a flip to work with, sort of.

VOTE: MM

That's just shit reasoning. There's no point to assuming one of the two major wagons six days before deadline must be flipped. At best, it's intellectual laziness.

yes, it is intellectual laziness.
if you classify not being able to get my head into the game as that.

[MarioManiac4]

OK.
I swear I'm going to reread the thread and I'm going to force myself to get reads.

[MarioManiac4]

oh wow 8 pages already

But with Saki and Navizel and stuff I'm not gonna take any chances.

And I know exactly what will make Antihero's day even worse.

a varsoon innocent child.

MOD DANCE WITH ME

is that you gif
what did you mean by this

So apparently this guy couldn't read the bit that came right after this- a.k.a "Cold Pizza is Town."?
Will try to look at Suzune's post closer.
I disagree with the "town team" point, though.

[MarioManiac4]

Well that was the first time I have read a game that was significantly difficult to back read for a number of reasons. The first being that everyone decides to be goofy sometimes now this might be some kind of new mafia tactic I have not heard of but it was indeed weird to read. As far as people go so far, I have made the following observations:

CharlotteBebe has the cutest avatar ever, I just want to hug it. So adorable. Sorry, it was distracting me, that I have told you it should be better.

Mario has so few posts it is hard to get a read on them.

3Dice posts a lot of things but very rarely says what he feels about it with the exception of the scum painting post. This makes me rather curious about them because they are not allowing their opinions to be put forth so it is difficult to tell alignment because I cannot read anything as either pro town or pro scum

I get a pretty town feeling from Charlotte. They are analyzing posts and look to be taking opinions into account.

This is where I am at now.

Why do you state a nullread on me with the four reads you give?
Seems a bit weird to me.

[MarioManiac4]

So this is the best I can get, mostly from gut;

MarioManiac4
Cold Pizza
Spiffeh
Maxous
CharlotteBebe
notscience
Saki
3dicerolling
Titus
Antihero
Gilgamesh King of Heroes
itlepip
Suzune

So;
VOTE: Suzune

[MarioManiac4]

Is that all you got Mario?

unfortunately.

[MarioManiac4]

Is that all you got Mario?

unfortunately.

Wait who is this gilgamesh guy and why does nobody seem to talk about him?

Also, on the scuminess of miller claims; I see them as almost exclusively town. I know some scum go ahead and do it anyway, but not so many.
The quality of scum seems to be fairly high in the game, from my lack of finding scumreads. I don't think they'd claim a role that would almost certainly end up getting them lynched anyway. The way Maxous did it, just saying "I'm miller" and not milking the towncred dry, is far more likely to come from town, IMO.
In fact you can put Maxous above Spiffeh in the list.

Pedit: Mostly just awkwardness.
I'd like a response on why so I can delve into that. Sometimes one hole in the scum-ship can end up propping others and sinking it.

[MarioManiac4]

Why do you state a nullread on me with the four reads you give?
Seems a bit weird to me.

I find it unusual that you have such a hard time having reads. You are always playing catch up but then you decide to finally post something and you scum read me for a having a null read on you. I would kind of like to see more from your slot.

I don't scumread you for having a nullread on me.
Try again.

[MarioManiac4]

Suzune, what I'm asking is why, when you mentioned four reads, you mentioned your inability to get a read on me.
I'm not complaining about you doing that. I'm complaining on why you wanted to state that read, out of the reads you did give.

[MarioManiac4]

and we are town! and in a hood with spiffeh!

Good news I found the neighborhood post. However the wording was very difficult to understand, it would have been much better if you had spelled out neighborhood because I never expected it to be shortened to hood.

Okay, I wrote little notes on this game the second read through. So I feel comfortable placing my vote on
VOTE: Spiffeh

I realise that this is an odd choice since I partially read him the first time. However, when I read the game in context I was far less impressed. I think he has gotten by most of the game pushing a really strange read with very little reason. To be fair, I am a tad bias on this one because the scum read started because of a joke. I did not find that itlepip reaction was unusual in any way and I felt like any time he/she (sorry, I did not check), he tried to defend themself or make a comment about why it was silly Spiffeh just kind of tossed it back at him. It struck me as one of those you lose by posting kind of situation. However, I do not feel that itlepip was wrong to commit to it and I also find it strange that the read itself has not been expanded on over time. People linger on that vote but it is little more then saying follow me lynch itlepip.

A few other things that caught my eye was the debate about the miller and whether how that should be handled. In the early phases of the game is the right time to make a choice based on this. I do find the balance kind of strange having a neighbhorhood and a miller. Seems kind of strange because that is like confirming three townies right off the bat. So that is where I draw my question about the claim from. I know that Titus has said a million times not to do that, but bad habits die hard.

Suzune, I don't get this case on Spiffeh.
He wants to lynch itlepip and I understand why, but I also don't think it's right, but I can't say why; *ongoing*

[MarioManiac4]

Mario, why are you ignoring me?

I'm not ignoring you. I'm going to answer your question by playing the game atm. I don't get Suzune's vote on Spiffeh, is a start.

[MarioManiac4]

I apologise but I do not get it is kind of vague. What is there to not get about it. Looks pretty simple to me. Itlepip commented silly when he should have commented on the events. This in turn bothered spif. So spif voted on him and got a mini wagon started for no reason. Itlepip attempted to confront him about the reason for the train and spif said basically that his reaction was enough to justify the train.

It looks to me like a lucky mistake. I know how frustrating it is to be in that position itlepip was in and with no real case sitting on him the train does not make sense to me. There is the case in a nutshell.

Although to be fair to you Mario. You joined that train for a while for no real reason.

Why does it, to you, look like a lucky mistake?
To me, it looked like Spiffeh was pushing itlepip for being too concerned about his appearance.

[MarioManiac4]

Mario, why are you ignoring me?

I'm not ignoring you. I'm going to answer your question by playing the game atm. I don't get Suzune's vote on Spiffeh, is a start.

That's a load of shit. Playing the game in the future 99/100 doesn't reveal why you voted someone in the past on Day 1.

I'm scumreading Suzune because of her uncomfortableness in this game and her vote on Spiffeh.

[MarioManiac4]

I just noticed Antihero is town.
Because, reasons.

[MarioManiac4]

I just noticed Antihero is town.
Because, reasons.

If it's because of what I think it is, it's actually a null-tell, but go on.

~R

If I say *reasons* it's usually an indicator I don't want to disclose the reason

[MarioManiac4]

Yep it's actually pretty not-funny that you are being all secretly, but it's probably fucking obvious so teetering around it is pretty sad.

I mean you already got me annoyed by touching the don't discuss ongoing game rules without directly violating the rules, but coming preeeeeeetttttttttty damn close.

~r

Sorry
fine, I'll say it.
I think anti is town because I don't think Vayne would be so deeply into his role as a scum fakeclaim.

[MarioManiac4]

People should really get in this game and post their aversion to the ittlepip wagon.

Things have been grinding along real slow-like for a Day 1.
This feels like a scum-wagon feels, where it takes that extra 'oomph' of a push to knock it over the ledge.

@Itle: Pretty sure Maxous covered more than just the reads list there. If he's getting buddied, it's probably also due to how Mario handled the Miller claim.

The posts he quoted in 766 were "I dunno what the game is" the list of people with no evidence or explanation and then "hey I think maxous's miller claim is super towny". Saying that that any of those posts is towny is baffling to me, and the only one that had anything that could be read was the Maxous buddying, which it looks like MM4 completely bought.

So you're saying "omg mario said something, must be budding, lynch"
Like I don't even know what so say to the accusation because it's just so fucking wrong.

If I get another vote I am willing to claim by the way.

[MarioManiac4]

The deadline is almost here and I do not want a no-lynch or a lynch on confirmed town.
VOTE: itlepip

will reread stuff soon

[MarioManiac4]

Why do you state a nullread on me with the four reads you give?
Seems a bit weird to me.

I find it unusual that you have such a hard time having reads. You are always playing catch up but then you decide to finally post something and you scum read me for a having a null read on you. I would kind of like to see more from your slot.

I don't scumread you for having a nullread on me.
Try again.

Your reason would be great because right now I don't see one beyond convience at all.

It was that she mentioned me as a complete nullread when she only shared four reads?

[MarioManiac4]

Okay.
We have literally one day.
You shouldn't lynch me because I am an important power role. I will clarify if needed.
Vote itlepip please.

[MarioManiac4]

MM thoughts on Suzune?

Likely scum but I don't think we can lynch her today really?
I could vote it if we get a lynch

[MarioManiac4]

Yeah you have to go further than an important role if you want me to unvote. I still hate the Suzanne wagon

I don't want you to unvote because you're only pushing my wagon and therefore will only be a pointless vote on no wagon anyway.
If someone more important to get a non-conftown lynch asks I'll go.

[MarioManiac4]

3dice come vote for him.

I will if we need it to lynch, but I'm slightly more confident in Suzune ATM.

We need it to lynch.

[MarioManiac4]

Claim pleas from itle won't work.
Willing to wagon anybody not conftown at this point.

[MarioManiac4]

Eh

INTENT TO HAMMER

I still don't see town motivation in acting like this

Like you can also not act like this and just replace out if you don't want to play? If you don't give a shit about the game I doubt you give a shit about mods finding a replacement.

ive already refused to claim why would you claim intent rofl
and id rather save sakura and pie the trouble of having to find a rep
think they already had to replace what, four? five? people already

VOTE: Saki
Have it your way.

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Suzune

[MarioManiac4]

It's likely Suzune is scum, for reasons related to both day and night.
Others have covered the former.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm not 100% certain, but I've outed I have an important role and this is information I do have.
We should discuss.

[MarioManiac4]

the speed is real
LMAO
Fine with L-2, but I don't want a speedlynch. It is possible Suzune is town.
But unlikely.

[MarioManiac4]

that is an underwhelming reaction.

[MarioManiac4]

It's likely Suzune is scum, for reasons related to both day and night.
Others have covered the former.

I never saw any soft claims by MM. Is this result consistent with his hypothetical soft claims?

I outed I was a PR. I didn't trust myself to not make an obvious crumb; others have far more knowledge of the flavour.
So we have three circular CC's?
I could see a JOAT with 1-Shot Doc and a Doc, TBH. Think it happened in NY 185.
If people want me to claim, I will do it.
Suzune is still scum, but the reasons of the night are probably retracted

[MarioManiac4]

I feel like claiming
Should I just do it

[MarioManiac4]

I'm Palema Ibis, a town treestump roleblocker. When I die I can continue posting. I can roleblock someone at night.
N1 I targeted Suzune. No kill.

[MarioManiac4]

how could Rogue have been shot?
Also, CB are you okay with the suzune lynch now?

Rogue was my heal target.

I couldn't heal cold pizza due to risk of death. I couldn't heal MM cuz risk of jail keep. So rogue was my choice.

how was I supposed to know this, though?
There is a chance Rogue died, but pretty sure they were under a fair bit of suspicion, at least as PFOS and notscience. Not sure it happened.

[MarioManiac4]

I got Rogue last night.
As soon as notsci got Mala in he disappeared and from my experience with ns!scum he lurks.
But no point in that now.

I confirm I will RB 3dicerolling every night due to a suspiciously sk-like role

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: 3DiceRolling.

We lynch 3DR, and tommorow is 5p after the Titus ROLEBLOCK EVERYTHIIIIIIIIIING. 1 Mislynch. We lynch Spiffeh. Fire/CB crosscheck, I will RB one of them. I will ask for results. Obviously if one refuses to go first they are the scum. If they Nokilled, they do not know who was roleblocked, so they are in danger. They may not squirm out of it, and the one who goes first is more likely scum.
yaywootyay

[MarioManiac4]

MM, that doesn't work unless you roleblock the scum.

5p after roleblock.
Lynch spiffeh. 4p.
If scum get a kill, they win.

Don't you have a global roleblock?

[MarioManiac4]

MM, that doesn't work unless you roleblock the scum.

5p after roleblock.
Lynch spiffeh. 4p.
If scum get a kill, they win.

Ah
Wait... Don't we get lylo at 3p?

[MarioManiac4]

MM, that doesn't work unless you roleblock the scum.

5p after roleblock.
Lynch spiffeh. 4p.
If scum get a kill, they win.

Ah
Wait... Don't we get lylo at 3p?

No. I am voteless tomorrow forever.

Ah. Missed that I suppose.
Is it linked to the GR? If it is we are proooobably better off with you not using it. Possibility of ML is good.

[MarioManiac4]

Wait. If it is already LYLO tommorow, why use the global roleblock?
We could use the info.

[MarioManiac4]

spiffeh's ascrtic was used by fb.
Out of the unconfirmed i RB who I please.

[MarioManiac4]

NOoooo
I'm such an idiot...
I completely forgot about this game...
I'm so sorry

[MarioManiac4]

...Sorry.
I'm going to try and analyse today.
I believe I have flipped town. I can talk though.

[MarioManiac4]

How you doing Mariomaniac?

Depends.
I'm thinking you're the last scum. Spiffeh leaks town in every post he makes. CB is typical, aggressive towngork.

Pedit: Le burpoue.

[MarioManiac4]

Firebringer Catch up notes

Pages 1-10

I don’t like Cold Pizza jumping on that RVS wagon at all. The push doesn’t look like a scum push though.
Cold feels town with his posts, or relaxed scum but I doubt that. Don’t like the whole “are you scum” ugh. Page 3 and Cold Pizza is confirmed town IC. LOL I guess I called it. Charlotte doesn’t take vote off, kind of scummy. Spiffeh votes for someone for intentionally acting scummy, I think this was bait. Now I feel Spiffeh is scum. Spiffeh taking advantage of it, not liking. Charlotte posts weird posts actually, I doubt scum is this personality? Still don’t like Spiffeh

The stupid case by PFoS to say Anti is scum is just…awful. Then itlepip sheeps it like this is still RVS >.>

Yeah I like the itlepip wagon. Itlepip is just throwing arounds votes and votes Spiffeh? Yeah, he looks bad. Zexion entrance is meh null leaning scum him. Pocketfullofsunshine is town by laidback attitude and general IDGAF town tone. Spiffeh asking for a town bloc and I still don’t like him. 3dice got a town feel just by the RVS wagon actually his posts are meh. Itlepip post about town bloc is awful. Page 7 is empty of content. I like Ank vote on Anti since he hasn’t been contributing anything. All the jokes about Cold Pizza maybe being town is funny but not contributing. MarioManiac entrance is town! No, its null.

Scum so far:
Spiffeh-For reasons stated above.

Anti-Not providing any real content and not engaging with anyone.

Ittlepip-The only reason I doubt is push from SPiffeh on him, but that could be scum bussing because he did something so scummy.

Will be back later for 11-20

This post looks like you can't find anything alignment indicative, and you're plugging on three players for crappy reasons instead of being seen as not contributing to the town. This is a forced attitude to getting reads.

[MarioManiac4]

After that post, he literally just rides on fluff.
I don't see a bit of reason in there, and it is making me doubtful. He just keeps on saying "umm its spiffeh" to keep consistent, when his reasons for doing so are negative. I can understand having trouble for one or two days, but the whole game... makes me doubt the slot.

[MarioManiac4]

Firebringer get on a wagon.

Saki vote is so obviously not happening today that I am confused as to why are you even acting like there's a chance.

Get to Suzune or itlepip.

I will make it happen, or die trying.

iltepip is obviously mislynch bait.
Suzune seems normal town her.

Okay
Seems reasonable.
VOTE: Suzune

Total mentions of Suzune in Fire's ISO. One is rejecting to get on her wagon. One is a light townread. One is a vote because PR.
Not convinced this is town, at all.

[MarioManiac4]

I am just going to wait on CB to vote Spiffeh so I can hammer.

^ 10/10 scum post. Your welcome. Trying to confirm your guys biases for you

Convincing IMO
VOTE: Spiffeh

[MarioManiac4]

UNVOTE:
In case there's some sort of bastard thing I don't know about #bettersafethansorry

[MarioManiac4]

Total mentions of Suzune in Fire's ISO. One is rejecting to get on her wagon. One is a light townread. One is a vote because PR.
Not convinced this is town, at all.

I agree. Fire is scum. You should vote him.

TOO BAD YOU CANT LOLOLOL

I can't.
But I can convince others to vote you.

Pedit: One town jokester, and one scum one. Fair balance

[MarioManiac4]

Quotes of all mentions of FB in Suzune's ISO;

[MarioManiac4]

Quotes of all mentions of FB in Suzune's ISO;

What does your gut say about me Mario? The gut read is a powerful thing.

...it says that either you are scum or CB is scum.
And logic says you are scum.

[MarioManiac4]

...it says that either you are scum or CB is scum.
And logic says you are scum

Why is CB scum?

CB isn't scum.

[MarioManiac4]

CB isn't scum.

So it must be me?
Let me go recheck my role pm. Maybe I am scum and didn't know it this whole time.

You knew it. Or you couldn't have killed me last night.

[MarioManiac4]

You knew it. Or you couldn't have killed me last night.

You are not going to believe what my role pm says.

You're a lyncher on Spiffeh?

[MarioManiac4]

Suzune literally comes up about 3 times in FB's ISO and 29 times in Spiffeh's ISO
I don't know about y'all but I'm not so keen on that or FB's case but until Spiffeh responds I won't comment on it any further.

[MarioManiac4]

ARGH so it was Spiffeh after all
GG

[MarioManiac4]

50%+1 is the rule
Therefore both votes

[MarioManiac4]

I mean there were five posters;
Me (treestump, basically dead)
Titus (voteless scum)
Firebringer (lynched town)
Spiffeh+CB (alive town)

I don't believe town could have won this one if FB got lynched. Titus kills CB, endgames Spiffeh

Pedit: 50% of 1 isn't 0 any way you look at it so it would be an auto nolynch

[MarioManiac4]

Yes but that player had 2 votes and the scum had 1 vote so there were 3 to lynch and 2 votes were needed to lynch, because lol50%+1
1 would take more than 1 to lynch I believe?
Actually maybe my logic is all wrong idek

Pedit; Due to my bad logics I took that as 0.5+1 which would be rounded up to 2 and lynching would be impossible