NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Nero Cain]

So what do I need to know about this game?

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also major argument with Titus in

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Is Titus ever right?

Whats the case on AJ?

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I'll read eventually.


Why are pignash and Espeonage not voting?

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there's that lovely arrogance from Titus

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ok great, but you being right in previous games =//= right about AJ this game. Once I read if I agree with the AJ case I'll join, if I don't then I won't join. You've played with me a ton why do you think I'd ever blindly sheep?

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I have like 20 hours, why are you in such a hurry?

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Is there a reason you try to make everything about you?

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I mean we've had this same conversation before about each of us not trusting our reads, and for me its still the same thing, why should I trust your reads if you won't trust mine?

No. Is there a reason you always have to be contrary to me?

I don't think I am. I replaced in and you tried to strong arm a AJ lynch. I said no and then you got all pissy and said I was being mean to you.

So why not try to sell me on the merits of the AJ case?

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also major argument with Titus in

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I can tell the future.

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???

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If I thought Nero looked at evidence, I would engage him on that level.

really? I don't oppose you 'cause you are wrong 3/4th of the time but 'cause your "cases" are filled with more wholes than Swiss cheese. Why do you feel the need to take pot shots at me?

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or holes rather

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says the person that just said I don't look at evidence.

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You just proved it.

Nero: Titus sucks.
Titus: No my town games have been right 3/4 of the time.
Nero: Ignore you because your reads are wrong 3/4 of the time.

Me: desires a vig shot.

that is not at all how that conversation went down.

Titus: My reads have been right the past 3 games so join the wagon that I'm on!
Nero: What does you having been right in previous games have to do with anything?
Titus: Hurry up and fucking join!
Nero: Why?
Titus: deadline
Nero: There's still plenty of time and I don't need to join right now.
Titus: Nero is being mean to me! I'm not discussing why I think AJ is scum b/c Nero ignores evidence.

On one hand, I feel like townTitus is arrogant enough to try to strong arm a lynch and then take potshots at me when I don't blindly follow her but I think she could easily pull this as scum but on the other hand I just don't care and would be happy to vig her.

but also pignash is probs scum so yeah...

vote:pignash

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Why haven't you bothered to try to sort AJ yourself?

oh look! A thinly veiled attack on me. If you think my slot is scum just come right and say it, don't be cagey.

I am leaning town an AJ. If his 1395 and 1402 are accurate then it makes your attack on him seem crazy and I'd question weather or not you are getting sheeped by scum. Now there is a theory that scum are more likely to interact with replacements to present thier version of the truth but I don't really feel like that a super solid scum tell.

but

I'm here and reading. Just don't have a lot to say and don't really like either wagon, and there's not much point trying to change directions at this point.

really makes me think that both wagons are likely town and that pig is scum not wanting to be on either wagon.

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If

his 1395 and 1402 are accurate

I haven't read anything besides the posts after I replaced in. If he's lying about the events that happened then he's prob scum and i'll vote him accordingly. If he's not them I'll have to question those voting him and be really squinty eyed at Titus trying to strongarm that.

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but pig not wanting to join either wagon is just hilariously bad.

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Where are you from FA. (srs question)

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really makes me think that both wagons are likely town and that pig is scum not wanting to be on either wagon.

Didn't you just do the exact thing pig did.

Put out a reason to townread both wagons and avoid joining any ?

ummm no?

like pig never stated that he's town reading either wagon, I guess you could read it that way but its a little of a jump I think. I've stated that pig not wanting to vote makes it look like scum afraid to be on mislynches. Its tote not the same thing and I feel pretty misreped here.

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I don't feel like what me and pig did are the same thing at all and it feels wonky as all hell that Shiro thinks its the same. It felt like a "no u" type thing. Also I'm taking the initiative tho start my own wagon instead of sit on the sidelines.

Did you not read my 1443?

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What other interpretation is there of 'I don't like either wagon'?

If he was town I feel like we wouldn't need to "interpret" anything.

Pig, are you town reading both the AJ wagon and the Pist wagon? If so why?

In a universe where both wagons are town, why do you suppose pignash is scum over town?

really? When is the last time someone came in the thread and was like "oh I don't like these wagons" and you were like "OMG THAT'S TOWN!"

I'm not liking Nero right now, he jumps in with one calendar day left to lynch and starts buddying the biggest wagon, it looks like he's trying to not sheep.

I just feel like I landed in Bizzoro world. So much misinformation and badness. Like FA thinking I was calling her scum and agreeing with AJ' case [on her] was dumb, I still think Shiro trying to throw my Pig reasoning back in my face was dumb and scummy and its not like we had a day left until deadline; nor was I "buddying" AJ.

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I asked what the case on AJ was. FA told me to read, which is fair. And the only "reasoning" I got from Titus is that she was right in other games thus I should trust her read and that's not going to convince anyone besides mindless sheep players.

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What "facts" am I interpreting backwards?

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lets play a fun game

lets name things that are bigger than Titus' ego.

the universe

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So I've been thinking about what I want to say and honestly? I'm just pretty fed up with the game. Titus' hysterical immaturity where she lashes out at everyone that won't be strongarmed into to AJ lynch could easily come from town her but I also think that her trying to strongarm a lynch is something she's be able to pull as scum.

The only thing that slightly bothers me about AJ is that he's siting on a lynch that has 0% change of going through which eh? I've vote him over a no lynch but there's a glorious pig wagon. Even a Pist wagon is ok but Mario and Fire are on it...just yuck.

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This counter-wagon is giving me the heebie jeebies.

this "counter wagon" has been here for awhile now and you've never said anything about it until now, why?

As an added bonus, tell me what the case is on AJ?

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lol no.

All I've seen from you is "I was right in three previous games so sheep me!" If you actually had reasons for why you think AJ is scum I'd listen but you don't.

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Tbh, I am 100% confident in Dave being scum but no one is willing to vote Dave because he actually fosed a townie.

then why the fuck have you been pushing AJ?!?

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either lynch scumpig or we get rid of possible scum/town headache in Titus. Those are the two things I want most RN.

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Because everyone said Dave is town because of AJ and Elyse.

you have been doing a perfectly good job of trying to trying to strongarm AJ. Why you can't do that for Dave. You distancing from him or something?

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I am actually compromising with my townreads and working with them.

if this is town then its super shitty play.

I am tired of catching scums and yelling at you fuckers from dead chat to listen to me.

not in the last few games I've been in with you.

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eek wasn't scum in X-men so it was prob a good reason why I didn't listen to you.

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Pretty sure he was but even if I am wrong why are you judging me and discounting everything I say based off a game that's more than a fucking year old and ignoring the progress I have made since then?

no, eek wasn't scum.

YOU brought up the fact that we had been is games together and I ignore your reads that are correct. As evidence of this you brought up the X-men game and that you read scum read scumEek and I ignored this. I did ignore this-mostly b/c he wasn't scum.

The fact that I was merely countering your statement and you are trying to turn it around into and claim that I am discounting your AJ lynch b/c you are/have been wrong as fuck in games in the past is both pathetic and immature.

If AJ flips town I want you dead.

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oh got so caught up I forgot what I wanted to ask

Fire, do you often quick hammer?

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It's L-1.

in that case then i'll hammer you before I leave in the morning if no one else does.

I am willing to go for an Elyse lynch. Is anyone game?

no.

I'd do Mario or Pig but I doubt we could get a lynch in 12 hours.

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vote:Mario

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Also town points to Dave for voting Titus when I'm the easier wagon

Why are you easier?

VOTE: Elyse

This 1v1 shit was set up yesterday off of me falling, flipping town and then allowing her some leverage vs Titus. I don't like being set up like that. More importantly, even if I disagree with Titus I still think Titus is just playing bad, not scum.

So? I'm town and I want to get rid of maybe scum/town distraction. If Titus is not scum then yeah scum prob will be all over this but I my point is that town also want to get rid of this.

vote:Titus

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What makes you think Titus is town?

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vote:pignash

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The reason WHY I voted Mario is 'cause his early game reactions to getting wagoned were pathetic so I thought it was scum.

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@nero, why did you join this game?

I signed up for the game but it had filled so when the mod needed a replacement they asked me.

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daykill:Titus

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Pls let that be real

I am hoping the mod forgets as well.

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Eww titus votes. Gross.

titus votes are better than Elyse votes.

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Eww titus votes. Gross.

titus votes are better than Elyse votes.

Why?

I don't think Elyse is scum.

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Eww titus votes. Gross.

titus votes are better than Elyse votes.

Why?

I don't think Elyse is scum.

Why?

Why should I think she's scum?

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oh Titus, what do you think of the Mario wagon?

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hrm?

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Why did you dodge by reflecting this onto me?

Nonsensical opinions. Nothing Elyse has said has made an ounce of protown sense. She's just trying to rile people against me rather than scumhunt.

She's not my favorite wagon but I see why others see she's scum.

I would rather lynch Dave because he treats me like other scum I have seen in games past and hasn't done much here.

So why won't you vote them?

I skimmed her ISO and nothing shot out as scummy. So I "deflected" since I don't see anything scummy.

Your Dave case is junk. What do you this of his entrance today?

I don't think Elyse is scum.

Who thinks Elsye is scum?

you do.

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My case on?

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I don't think I ever said that?

Though I think Pig and Esp are scum so. Esp being null on everyone after 70 pages is mind boggling and then Shiro can die after scumpig flips.

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I don't think I ever said that?

Though I think Pig and Esp are scum so. Esp being null on everyone after less than 10 pages is pretty acceptable and then Shiro can die after scumpig flips.

ftfy

hey look a beetlejuice

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Nero, why is my Dave case junk

you said your Dave case is that he treated you like scum have treated you in a previous game yes? I don't think its a good reason and I'm sick and fucking tired of joining games where your cases are about you.

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I don't think I ever said that?

Though I think Pig and Esp are scum so. Esp being null on everyone after less than 10 pages is pretty acceptable and then Shiro can die after scumpig flips.

ftfy

yeah, I don't really buy this b/c you are p active and

AJ, make a wall case on someone if you want to live.

Yeah this is a p shitty post.

Not keen on either wagon rn.

^ is your last post on p.63 so you seem caught up.

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you aren't saying anything about my case bring wrong, but rather why you hate the fact I am right.

lol

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So you are claiming a cop guilty on Dave?

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Elyse , Aj , Dave as town ? You said you check their ISO's and your not seeing them as scum[/qoute]

I've only looked and Elyses ISO and yes nothing "scummy" jumped out at me. All I remember of yesterday is that Titus said that she was was right in other games so I should sheep her on AJ. And today Titus' whole case on Dave is that he treated her like scum has in a previous game. Do you feel like these are good reasons?

your seeing everyone as town?

When did I say that?

And I can't see the reason of your push against pig. and Eps is just the easiest push in game atm ...

What do you think of Espe claiming he's not caught up but clearly caught up? Yesterday I voted Pig b/c he wasn't voting either wagon while not doing anything himself and the reasons for his town reads on both AJ and Pist were both hilariously bad. Also 1429 and 1427 are scumposting.

not sure why the format is fucked up.

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avoiding contributing in any ongoing conversations.

What in the world do you think I'm avoiding?

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stop throwing shade

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town

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Grib
Shinobi
Elyse
Aj The Epic
Dwlee99
Davsto
Titus
Heat
Firebringer
Frozen Angel
Shiro
pistachi0n
Espeonage
pignash

scum

Is prob where I'm about right now.

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What do you think of Titus who is hard town reading that after trying like hell (and failing miserly) to get that lynched?

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The word you're looking for is miserably. Miserly implies I held something back.

Love how you try to paint AJ obvtowning as something scummy to me.

eh, autocorrect.

I love how you are so full of yourself and by love I mean I'd be willing to smother you with a pillow.

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I was waiting until I finished typing things up so I could make one big long post but...

if you think I instigated a fight with Titus or lied about anything in our back and forth either you have the reading comprehension of a three year old or you are scum. My bet is on scum though.

I asked Titus (or technically, I asked anyone) what the case on AJ was, instead of answering me she beat her chest and said that I should sheep her. My 1045 was totes justified. She then LIED and said that we were getting close to deadline when we weren't, we still had 2 days and some change at that point. And here she whines/ATEs which is fucking annoying. And takes a pretty damn unwarranted pot shot at me here. She constantly attacks those that don't agree with her and town reads those that agree with her or defend her. When in reality its far more likely the scum are buddying the fuck out of her. I am FAR from the only player [on this site] that finds her annoying and if you did any sort of research (or simply read between the lines in our conversation) you'd see that Titus and I have a strained history though its not like I hate her as much as she probably thinks I do.

TBF, if I tilt my head just right I could maybe see how

Is Titus ever right?

you (and her?) could maybe read this as an attack on her but if it was an "attack" on her why am I asking to read the case in the next fucking sentence?!? I mean if I was attacking her and trying to discredit her AJ read (as you claim) why would I be interested in the case?

I also doubt that ANYONE actually thinks I was threatening Titus IRL. And I think 1941 is a bunch of strongly worded bullshit that you are trying to pass of as some quasi-content.

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Also town points to the first 5 players that can point out Drixx's scum slip.

vote:Drixx

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yea sure.

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If you think its a stretch why are you sheeping me?

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but I also super dislike this so

I'm not sure why we don't already have consensus to lynch Elyse at this point

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How come you never voted Elyse?

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So far I think only Titus and I have expressed that we think Elyse is likely to be scum

What?

Elyse was absolutely the leading wagon. My thing here is that I think scum are p likely to be "ok" with a wagon but not commit, wich is what it looks like to me.

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Also AJ was on the wagon so I'm not sure why you are not giving Elyse the same benefit that you are giving Titus.

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Drixx how much of your defense is about being friends with Titus and how much is it that you really think these things 'cause alot of the stuff you posted is really stretching.

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Why?

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this is my prod dodge until I am more awake.

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An Innocent Child doesn't push to 1v1 someone without reason. There must be a reason.

She thought she was scum. Its not really as complicated as you are making it out to be.

My gut says something is not right here.

my gut says this is a stretch.

Nero is keeping a TvT going as scum and providing no content.

?????

What TvT am I keeping going?

also she was on the awful Mario flashwagon.

Why did you not talk about this before?

I would bet heaps of money both of them are scum.

hello chain lynching scum

espe, what is your read on Shiro and why.

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Me v Elyse.

the fuck I am.

What is the town motivation in lying about that?

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I am doing plenty of scumhunting thank you. I like how you couldn't back up one statement so you moved on to try something else.

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Nero: Why you ask about Shiro in particular? Because it seems pretty shitty when you know I've got nothing. Like I could say how validating a vanity wagon on a not very talked about person is an issue, especially when there are other people that need to be talked about. But that is all gleaned from one post on this page.

Titus is impossible to read.

This is blatantly false. Titus is among the easier people to read. The only issue is that occasionally she is town when you read her as scum. But she is very easy to townread. To the point where scumreading her at any point should send alarm bells in everyone's head.

So I wanted to know if you were sum reading Shiro for this, if you were I was gonna call you on it.

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that's kinda the whole fucking point of asking you...

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Titus are you town reading Drixx?

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lol@that omgus from dwlee

@Everyone else: How are you people ok with Titus right now? Please just tell me in what world Titus is not screaming scum to you?

What I want to scream at Titus are things that will get me modkilled and site banned. I don't think she's town in the least but my experience says that she does stupid shit like this all the time so a bit null to me. My biggest worry is that players like Drixx and dwlee are buddy the fuck out of her and she's getting snowed as usual.

Also Drixx is still scum so yeah...but if that doesn't happen for some silly reason I'd go back to pig.

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or maybe Drixx and Titus are scum since she won't give a read on him. i don't fucking know.

so many people I want dead.

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vote:pig

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Drixx is obvtown

ok why?

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lol, the ONLY reason you are "scum" reading me is 'cause I'm not doing things things you want me to do.

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lol

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Why the hell do you have him as anything but?

He supported the Elyse wagon but didn't vote on it until I called him on it. And considering that we JUST got out of a game where scum Nexus supported a wagon but didn't vote on it and considering that half your scum reads are based on experience it really makes me squinty eyed that you just happen to ignore this one. Are you scum buddies with Drixx? Are you getting snowed here b/c he's defending/buddying the fuck out of you?

I am doing plenty of scumhunting thank you. I like how you couldn't back up one statement so you moved on to try something else.

I had a busy last couple weeks. Can you quote yourself scum hunting in thread please?

He claims to be scum hunting ... I don't recall seeing him actually push anyone or even try to get someone talking.

this is blatantly false and easily disproven by the fact that I was pushing Mario at the end of last day and I was pushing Drixx today. In fact, Drixx was posting ON SAME PAGE THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING HIS SCUMSLIP so it seems very very doubtful that he'd "not know" I was pushing him. Of course you are saying the same thing but I know that has more to do with your inability to objectively read anything when you are in tunnel mode/mad that I am not catering to your every whim.

though also not found of Espes "dammed if you do, dammed if you don't" stance at me. Though I do agree with Drixx that espe's multiball specis wtf. Even if Espe is scum and knows there is a 2nd team out there I could still see scumvscum.

I haven't caught up. I just wanted to apologize to the game. I do not like folks being inactive and try to bring full energy and activity to each game.

I don't want to get into any specifics and break the rules, but I think I'm safe in saying that I have been busy elsewhere on site. I will do my very best to put the time in to get active in this game. If I don't have the time I will replace out, but that's not something I like to do. I will do my very best to be caught up and engaged in the next 24 hours.

Again: I deeply apologize. It's not cool for one person to disrespect others who are active and making the game fun. That's not my style and I will rectify it ASAP.

this seems also very aTey and worried about how his slot is perceived.

Though I should prob take a play from Shin and just ignore you instead of getting worked up over your nonsensical bunk.

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Nero you should really look into me a bit.

Why should I look into you when its not like you have looked into me? I mean one of your points was that "I came in this game and asked for info" sure I did.

So who are we killing and why?

Here I am in another game doing the same thing.

I think your "Nero is picking a fight on Titus" is incredibly inaccurate. As noted by AJ, we fight all the time. That's how I "predicted" our fight.

BUT YOU DIDN'T USE SMILEYS!

I sure didn't. Mainly b/c I have a really bad habit of forgetting that ppl can't read sarcasm over the net but I feel like my sarcastic replies are p obvious so idk...

I mean Titus said "I've been right in 3 games so sheep me!" how in the world is that not arrogant? And if you agree with me that its arrogant of her why is it crazy of me to get angry at her?

I think Titus has a pretty undeserved sense of entitlement and she rubs myself and alots of others the wrong way.

This is her from another game.

Thank you Nero for listening for once. I give you a lot of grief about ignoring me, so believe me I noticed.

This had 0% to do with me listening to you and 100% to do with me noticing Nexus playing like a fucking scumbag. Even though Nexus was scum and was saying "VCA was shit" to discredit you..I DO agree with him. VCA isn't all that accurate (in this case you were only 33% correct and that's even ignoring the fact that you thought there were 6 scum in an 18 player game which is pants on head) The only reason that VCA "works" is 'cause there are going to be less town alive and a higher chance of scum being on that wagon.

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2. You are good at scumhunting

white knight her more.

I like your progression of reads while not contradicting yourself.

you don't think she could do that as scum?

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Why did you not ask Titus that?

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lol

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FA's and DW's hop onto the pig wagon makes me a little uneasy but a pig scumflip might mean that I'm wrong on atleast FA so I'm willing to keep my vote there and re access if need be.

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TBF I should have declared v/la over the holidays. At any rate I'll catch up tonight so no hammer yet plox.

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no

What do you think of the fact that we've tried to lynch pignash for 2 days and can't get it done?

vote:Pig

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lets just pretend that's true, why would scum counterwagon pig?

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WTF Dave. I didn't lurk or do fuck all. Still think the only reason that I was really suspected is 'cause Titus is OMGUSy and aleast both of Drixx+Fire were defending their friend.

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like until my replace out I was really the only one doing anything on my team.

I tried to play this game like town me, town me would have known AJ was town so that's why I was against an AJ lynch.