NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Titus]

VOTE: davesto

I was town in your game. You need pressure.

[Titus]

Slim chance I am a flavor miller.

[Titus]

Shiro I has cookies. You want a cookie? Vote Dave.

[Titus]

Shiro I has cookies. You want a cookie? Vote Dave.

Titus, how you doing?

My gut has indigestion. Other than that I am good.

We should lynch Dave. Too much focusing on being buddy buddy.

[Titus]

By the way, were you Oklahoma in the recently finished game on sc2?

[Titus]

I knew it. Mod called the game. Go post in night 5.

Take a guess. Torchbearer.

[Titus]

I don't com hunt but you signed your post inadvertently.

Vote Dave?

[Titus]

Yup.

[Titus]

Do you actually think Dav is scum or you just putting pressure on him?

Both.

[Titus]

Fire, let's be Painbringer. Double voting masons.

RC, I think I can read you well enough.

[Titus]

Short.

Blunt.

Quick.

Like this.

Cuz Titus lacks time.

[Titus]

You said nothing about my ability to read you, which is what's in question when I'm voting you.

You're voting me on the inference that I always scumread you when town, which is irrelevant as you rolled scum a lot lately.

[Titus]

Fire, let's be Painbringer. Double voting masons.

RC, I think I can read you well enough.

I would, but I kinda get the feeling your buddying me.
No way you already are town reading me.
Thats insane even for you.

No it's not. But OK, you'll see I can legit read you.

[Titus]

You said nothing about my ability to read you, which is what's in question when I'm voting you.

You're voting me on the inference that I always scumread you when town, which is irrelevant as you rolled scum a lot lately.

No, that realization is what specifically sparked me to vote you above other players.

I've been scumreading you since the very beginning of this game, but have been sidelining it for various reasons.

Why have you sidelined it? Why not push ahead when you thought I was scum?

[Titus]

Shiro and FB, your favorite 3 roles please? :-p

[Titus]

Meh, that's a little strong on RC. I got Shiro and FB as town.

[Titus]

RC, that's absurd. I fear no one as scum. Second, you're not leaving anything to engage here RC. You're saying you just felt like it because I wasn't pushing you. That's not really engagable.

I could throw your own scum meta at you, saying that you pick fights with town leaders but I am not looking to pick a fight for fight's sake but to read you. So I am going to take that tool out of your shed.

[Titus]

BTW titus, wouldn't mind helping you design that GoT game to come over here

Use the Painbringer PT.

[Titus]

Shiro and FB, your favorite 3 roles please? :-p

Roles. Good....

Sheriff, Cop here I guess.
Jailor, no good equivalent here >.> Jailkeeper sucks!!!!
Watcher.

>.> is your signature in the GoT game BTW.

I like Watchers. Ty.

[Titus]

Nah, you're le scum.

Besides, you know better than to think that you get the better of a head on engagement or why would you have done it in the last large?

I could throw your own scum meta at you, saying that you pick fights with town leaders but I am not looking to pick a fight for fight's sake but to read you. So I am going to take that tool out of your shed.

Implying that you already know I'm town, or why wouldn't you be suspicious of me playing my scum meta?

Last large I don't remember well tbh. Might have had IRL issues. There was a span about a year ago where things were dark.

I am not town reading you because of the fact you like to hide in drama you make to discredit reads. Town me says nope. *farts*

[Titus]

>.> is your signature in the GoT game BTW.

No.
I never put that signature there.
I have to update my wiki on here tho.

Sorry. Context fail. I meant it's your calling card and how I died you as Oklahoma.

[Titus]

*ided you not died you lol

[Titus]

Then, if you're not townreading me, why would you not be remotely suspicious of me doing something that is established and I've even admitted is a key factor in my scum meta?

Not that you're anything close to a town leader this game, in fact you're an unimpressive lurksack. You're not even active lurking well.

And that's a big reason I'm pushing you here.

I am suspicious of you. I just told FA that saying I had a townread on you was much. I said I could verbally spar with you regarding your meta (that's why I am suspicious) but I am not letting you hide.

[Titus]

Sorry. Context fail. I meant it's your calling card and how I died you as Oklahoma.

Whats my calling card? I am really confused lol.

>.>

[Titus]

Like, in a year, no one has managed to lynch me as scum.

You're aware of this.

You're saying that you're okay letting me somewhat lurk in the background and not making an immediate attempt to push or sort me?

Nope. I read people by relationships. If you refuse to scumhunt, we'll have a problem.

You're setting up a false dichotomy where if I am not dramatic with you, that I am ok with you lurking. Nope.

Good night.

[Titus]

Cookies...I has then. Vote Dave please.

[Titus]

@grib, why don't you make me feel warm and fuzzy?

@shiro, your desired flavor? Gingerbread?

[Titus]

There you go. Two cookies because I am too lazy to chop.

[Titus]

Grib, Dave's scum. :-p vote him Von.

[Titus]

Also fire, you didn't answer if you had Titus as town.

Not positive on that yet.
She townreads me early, but she also did that in the Blitz and it makes me worried.

Sort me. :-p

[Titus]

I've just skimmed through the whole thread since my last post..

I like MarioManiac4's case against Dwlee99 in post 322

Fire, let's be Painbringer. Double voting masons.

RC, I think I can read you well enough.

I would, but I kinda get the feeling your buddying me.
No way you already are town reading me.
Thats insane even for you.

No it's not. But OK, you'll see I can legit read you.

I think Titus was just messing around in 268, but I can understand why Firebringer might think otherwise and might think Titus is scum trying to get buddy with him.. What really bugs me is how Titus takes a defensive stance in 274.

I was saying I really liked FB. I wasn't being defensive though. *shrug* I can read FB but he's naturally paranoid of an early townread on him.

That's why I said sort me.

[Titus]

I think Dwlee99 is a better lynch than MarioManiac
VOTE: Dwlee99

This is a bit of a false dilemma. Keeping my eye on you.

How is this a false dilemma at all?

[Titus]

I think Dwlee99 is a better lynch than MarioManiac
VOTE: Dwlee99

This is a bit of a false dilemma. Keeping my eye on you.

How is this a false dilemma at all?

Rather than exploring the options, he forces it into a choice between Mario and Dwlee, thus making justifying his vote on Dwlee a lot easier. It's creating the idea of it being a choice between Mario or Dwlee, when it's... really not.

He's not forcing anything though...

[Titus]

Dweee join me. I has cookies.

[Titus]

Nah he's just changing his mind.

[Titus]

No cookies for you.

[Titus]

You can comment without pushing RC. I am not liking you, but I am trying to force you to comment on someone not me. It benefits me regardless of your alignment for you to do so.

Dave should still totally be wagoned. You agree RC?

[Titus]

Dwelee, I am the baker here. Like the reach out but disagree with your case.

[Titus]

@Dwelee, Seems like you two are disagreeing on what happened rather than anything alignment indicative. A townie responds. Dave has ignored my push on him entirely.

Join me.

@Dave, I am wagoning you, why you ignore me?

[Titus]

It's not reasonless. You're buddying and not scumhunting.

[Titus]

VOTE: davesto

I was town in your game. You need pressure.

Shiro I has cookies. You want a cookie? Vote Dave.

Titus, how you doing?

My gut has indigestion. Other than that I am good.

We should lynch Dave. Too much focusing on being buddy buddy.

Ding.

[Titus]

There's one more reason but withholding for ongoing.

[Titus]

It's not reasonless. You're buddying and not scumhunting.

Proof plz or are you just gonna say things and hope they'll be true eventually?

Quoted reasons.

[Titus]

Because RadiantCowbells is probably town.

And... town never vote town?

Let's see if that's the case here!

What do you think of my proposed town perspective for his vote on Titus in comparison with your reasoning? Which is more likely?

Cowbells isn't scared of a Titus tunnel on him. He has faced a full-on Titus tunnel before and come out unscathed (and his replacement proceeded to win the game for our scumteam btw).

He only came out unscathed by causing massive amounts of drama, painting my read as just sour grapes and making sure everyone ignored me after I wasn't playing.

[Titus]

You open by stating a statement you know isn't true (implied Titus is always scum) then buddying while ignoring me.

[Titus]

Your entire ISO is buddying not scumhunting. None of your posts have anything that intends to sort anyone Dave.

Why?

[Titus]

No he hasn't addressed any of my concerns. Even then I had to flag him down to get a response.

[Titus]

Great. Care to put that in a way socialists can understand? I have to understand the Queen's Directive on how to distribute goods.

[Titus]

@Dave, you can give reads on the active players. Second, even one post is enough to form a read sometimes. Give reads on who you can.

@Shiro, I only feel confident in Davesto scum ATM. I think everyone on Dave is town but for maybe Grib but Grib's still weak town.

[Titus]

post 463 was townish

UNVOTE: Davsto

scum would have gone to try making a list. for now your not scum

Caught scum would not have as it leaves tells.

[Titus]

I actually think Dwlee is town? Not at all a fan of any of the people voting for him.

Not a fan of Dwlee asking me to jump without defending Dave.

The 95% thing is really townie though.

[Titus]

Nah they haven't even been true. Dave has been obvtown leader in Nether's game and Loth. Here saying he likes to shit back and not give reads...nope.

I dunno Zymp. Focusing on Davescum.

[Titus]

I dont know, elyse. Grib's "is this going to happen" reads as town to me, though.

Why?

I think dav is town and Titus' push on him is bad. She's not giving specifics about anything. FA is a joke at this point. Not sure if really bad scum or really bad town.

Dave isn't scumhunting. You cannot give specifics about what doesn't exist. :-p

Not liking the insulting smart town here.

[Titus]

Eh, these wagons reek of v/v.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pistachi0n

Hi. You might be scum, you might now be. I'd like to see more content from you to determine this.

V/v?

[Titus]

I obvtown as scum and town and that isnt happening here does that make me scum, titus? The answer is no so stop semi-metaing people for not obvtowning and vote for pistachio.

And @Elyse because town keep track of things that happen and renenber things that people say to get reads

Nah, I am fine with my Dave vote. You want my vote, case Pistachio better or show Dave scumhunting.

[Titus]

Wooo

FA is town

And what about FA's AtE convinced you?

I think she's town too but her latest post isn't worthy by itself of changing a null read.

[Titus]

I've caught up on the game and I'm not liking Dwlee. His case on Mario is (self-admittedly) OMGUS:

Mario's misreps and terrible case make me lean heavily scum on him. Like that case was the worst case I have ever seen.

Okay, but why is it the worst case you've ever seen? What are some examples of the misreps? Are you going to respond to Mario's case itself besides calling it bad?

VOTE: Dwlee

Saying he's going to post a VCA isn't scummy. I see lots of people announce such posts before they make them, I'm not sure why but it's a thing that happens. VCA before any flips though? How?

I didn't bandwagon onto you? The clear bandwagon was on Mario.

All asking questions to get at how people are processing the thread. The last is clear confusion showing he reads this thread differently than you.

Pretty clear scumhunting IMO.

See Dave, you can get a read from three posts.

[Titus]

But all of the things he has stated are straight up wrong. -_-

Town can be stupid. Now I have to handle Davescum.

[Titus]

See Dave, you can get a read from three posts.

No, Titus.

You

can get a read from three posts.

Why won't you tellus what reads you have?

[Titus]

@Dave, you can give reads on the active players. Second, even one post is enough to form a read sometimes. Give reads on who you can.

Why do that? I focus on single scum at a time. Giving plenty of reads just lets scum know if I've got my eye on them. Giving only relevant reads is necessary in my opinion; scumreads if I'm interacting and pushing them, and townreads on people who I feel are being unnecessarily wagoned/scumread, such as poor little MarioManiac.

Dave has been obvtown leader in Nether's game and Loth.

So obvtown I got lynched in both of them. Also, I'm fairly sure I spent both of those games focusing on singular scum rather making readslist on every player I could. Also, you know of more passive towngames of mine, such as Secret Alt 2 and Dead of Winter.

Dave isn't scumhunting. You cannot give specifics about what doesn't exist. :-p

I think she meant specifics on buddying, such as quotes of me buddying, which you still haven't done.

In Nether you were setup spec lynched by the entire scumteam, not based on play. In dead of winter, my setup was crazy. :-p

Your entire ISO is buddying trying to warm up to people and be defensive. No effort to sort. Still.

[Titus]

OK, when I have time, I will be grabbing nether quotes. Anyone ISOing should see two different Daves.


@Shiro, I disregard stuff I don't care about as town. I said nothing about the MM wagon for the most part.

Bbl.

[Titus]

Cookies reserved for Shiro. I can give you donuts tomorrow. They take time to bake.

The next reason I have for Dave scum I can't say but yeah. I would be very surprised if Dave was town here.

[Titus]

I could give you donuts if Shiro lets me. :-p But you gotta share with me or her.

[Titus]

Now more cookies

Spoiler:

OK. More cookies when I get home. Gotta take em out.

[Titus]

What is your Dave read?

BTW I am back home. Time to show my menu. Cuz I am a terrible baker.

[Titus]

What is your Dave read?

BTW I am back home. Time to show my menu. Cuz I am a terrible baker.

I don't want to lynch him.

Why?

[Titus]

What is your Dave read?

BTW I am back home. Time to show my menu. Cuz I am a terrible baker.

I don't want to lynch him.

Why?

Because lynching high output players on day 1 is almost always a bad idea.

What about Dave is "high output"? He's here but he's not scumhunting. Those are the best lynches.

Lurkers are terrible d1 lynches unless active lurking.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Titus's menu

[Titus]

What is your Dave read?

BTW I am back home. Time to show my menu. Cuz I am a terrible baker.

I don't want to lynch him.

Why?

Because lynching high output players on day 1 is almost always a bad idea.

What about Dave is "high output"? He's here but he's not scumhunting. Those are the best lynches.

Lurkers are terrible d1 lynches unless active lurking.

He's totally scumhunting though.
Pedit - stop posting drivel if it's not going to accomplish anything.

Where?

[Titus]

You've basically disregarded the fact that he has a case on someone and is pushing it. How is that not scumhunting?
And that's besides the fact that saying someone isn't scumhunting is almost entirely subjective and meaningless in and of itself.

No it's not. He's not pushing a case but trying to divert attention from himself. It took wagoning him to get him to even pick someone as scum. Even then, his pushes weren't designed to inquire about alignments but just to provide an alternate suspect.

A townie doesn't resist when asked for reads unless there's nothing to comment on. That's hardly the case.

[Titus]

You've basically disregarded the fact that he has a case on someone and is pushing it. How is that not scumhunting?
And that's besides the fact that saying someone isn't scumhunting is almost entirely subjective and meaningless in and of itself.

No it's not. He's not pushing a case but trying to divert attention from himself. It took wagoning him to get him to even pick someone as scum.

Even then, his pushes weren't designed to inquire about alignments but just to provide an alternate suspect.

A townie doesn't resist when asked for reads unless there's nothing to comment on. That's hardly the case.

What's the difference, exactly?

The difference is one shows inquisition; a desire to solve the game.

The other is just arguing for a particular resolution.

[Titus]

Yeah I don't really see it.
Sorry, not happening.

You scum? Or just dense?

[Titus]

Yea lynch Pistachion.

No. There's nothing there to support a vote there, as much as you may believe it.

[Titus]

Man, I remember the last time I played a Large Normal.

MarioManiac4 replaced in and had a speedlynch on him, resulting in his death.

He was town.

I'm learning from that lesson. Mario is likely not scum. I've only played one game with scum!Mario, but I definitely don't remember it being like this.

Firebringer has changed his avatar from Toothless and that hurts me.

UNVOTE:

Not sure how I feel about certain players.

MM wagon is likely to contain mostly town with one scum max.

Unsure where to go next.

Mario wagon sucks but everyone's town. I like everyone. Like me too.

That davsto post was kinda scummy tbh.

I mean is there an actual reason or is it just for daring to contradict the easy wagon?

Please don't have a reason to scumread me. Look I objected to the major wagon so I gotta be town. Never mind I am saying everyone's town.

So anyway I decided to join in on the Annie avvie fun

Obvious buddying. Look I am like everyone else with my Annie avatar.

Need I go on?

[Titus]

Heat, who is scum?

[Titus]

VOTE: Heat

Alright, do you operate a bed and breakfast?

Because the waffle and mixed messages are unreal.

Totes intellectual buddying, my same problem with Dave FYI.

[Titus]

No. I was saying Heat and Dave have the same issue. Comment but everyone's town.

[Titus]

I mean it's especially ironic given that you literally called him out on it right after I did.

Where is your head at here?

Heat could be scum. Want to see how he reacts.

[Titus]

I was hoping you'd go first RC but here's what I see

I don't see how mentioning that you dislike someone's scumreads makes it a hypocritical statement. That would imply you threw out a bunch of scumreads, which is the exact opposite of what I am seeing. FA could be scum, but it has zero to do with what you said but more to do with that terrible AtE she did earlier. I still like FA as town though so :S One townish post can be enough to drop someone as a scumread. That would be towntelling. Plus, moving a vote is an even lower standard. Seeing a "townish" post is an ok reason to move. Do I like that FA unvoted scum, no. Do I think Dave's done anything townish, nope.

More buddying of Dwelee, no unique reasons here.

My push is pretty clear as to what it is. People may be frustrated by it, but it is pretty clear. Buddying, lack of scumhunting and ~reason~ which I can't say due to ongoing.

[Titus]

And yeah, I forget where or if I ever got around to asking it but I need some new music to listen to.

Failure to comply will result in immediate expulsion from the SSAA (Secret Society of Annie Avatars.)

I was never in it... I don't think.

P.S. Listen to Kelsi Ballerini or Maddie and Tae.

If really country music mafia mood, chainsaw by The Band Perry.

[Titus]

My towncircle consists of

Shinobi
Frozen Angel
Firebringer
RadiantCowbells
Titus
Dwlee99
Elyse

roughly in that order.

Not so confident in RC Shinobi Elyse and Dwelee

But def on FB FA Shiro

[Titus]

I mean I like his vote, but is Grib rubbing anyone else way the wrong way alignment wise?

Seems to be trying way too hard to come across as a good lil townie.

Nope that's Dave and Heat.

Grib would have more bouncing clouds.

Can I have a bouncing cloud Grib?

[Titus]

Lady Titus can we form a grand wagon on Zympx?

Explain why Zympx.

Because he needs pressure. He is an absolute zero in the game so far.

Not yet. People scrambling to counter Davesscum makes me feel like he's more likely to be scum. Plus his choice and reasons will be valuable. If he doesn't post, he'll be replaced.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

You know exactly why Titus >.>

Yup. Figured it was coming, but not scum here. I legit gut read you.

[Titus]

So I was scum in another game and you think I must be purged? Why don't you talk to me? I left you crumbs BC I knew I would flip scum in Flag's game.

[Titus]

Fair enough. You want to talk, we can. Whenever.

@Shiro, Can I give FB Donuts instead of you cookies? I think I have to for game sake.

[Titus]

VOTE:DAVSTO

Because Gamblers fallacy is legit

you're terrible >:c

not moving my vote

Why, pray, is Heartless scum, when he has literally just revealed himself as a Marshall?

I would've really liked to use it later but the chances of this hydra making it very far in this game isn't great given our recent nightkill record.

Let's get cracking.

Get cracking what? Skulls? Because I'm unsure of that.

So basically you're pandering to the confirmed town and buddying up to them knowing that they have the most power in the game right now so hopefully they won't decide to lynch you if you're nice to them? Because that's the air that I'm getting.

What do you think?

I probably should have done this while discussing with Spiffeh but I don't think I actually did (which is also why I dislike the "overreacted to the vote on me" comment considering there wasn't one).

VOTE: Spiffeh

Oh well. It's not like we gained a ridiculous amount of info from said flip. Mod errors happen.

Anyway, who's the next scum?

VOTE: hiplop

^There's the idea.

And, from these posts alone, you have magically deduced that they are scum how exactly?

Selected some posts. Town Dave is aggressive analyzes posts and takes the exact opposite position on gambler's fallacy he took here.

[Titus]

I was not softing mason but was trying to crumb to FB. Considering my crumbs are usually misunderstood, that's ok.

[Titus]

Oh I am tipsy

[Titus]

Firebringer and Shiro, but the mod forgot to tell me the other 9-12 ish forget how many ppl are playing

[Titus]

Outing the fact that Titus and FB were obviously softing Mason but not in a town way.

I'm still not sure where I want to go on that but it is badly eclipsed by some of my other reads.

Why the fuck would you out this though

[Titus]

Oh I finally have a game to document where I read you right as town FB. :-p

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

We should lynch her before she goes all VCA on us.

That is an RVS vote by scum on me in another game. Said player then claimed it was a joke.

To be honest I almost never understand vote count analysis. I've only understood it when reading the hidden temple game since it was obvious with how it was scum vs molla and all scum were on molla. I find vote count analysis confusing usually and I guess xtoxm thinks titus would use it to her advantage. xtoxm probably finished another game with titus elsewhere where titus used VCA to her advantage and xtoxm was thus trying to get back at her during rvs

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UNVOTE:

until caught up

BM was scum in a game I just finished. One head of the hydra voted me in RVS because I was a threat and rightfully called out on it. When called out on it, the other head walked it back saying it was ribbing me.

Dave makes a vote based on me allegedly being a threat. He then claims joke.

Don't think so.

Many times scum fear monger me. Not today.

[Titus]

Oh I finally have a game to document where I read you right as town FB. :-p

You don't gut read me.
Ever.

You are just scum all the time, thats how you know >.>

Pun mafia. But it was gut scum. :-p

[Titus]

Titus is arguing that because one scum did an rvs and declared it a joke that anyone who makes an rvs vote and says it is a joke when that is just the hitler built autobahns logical fallacy. And can we get more pressure on pistachio??

Fear of Titus is something scum use in almost every game where I am town. I pulled the closest example.

From the wiki

Unless an accusor is able to demonstrate that a player has a significant tendency to do something more frequently as scum than town, or that there is a particular incentive for scum to act in that manner, then the argument is logically dubious.

1) scum do fear of Titus and get significant gains from it when they do.
2) Discrediting me is significant incentive and I also have trouble shaking off early wagons.
3) Town almost never, if ever RVS me in that manner.

[Titus]

Can we lynch Dave now? *bats eyelashes*

[Titus]

Yup. Hold on.

[Titus]

Subject: Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

Vote: mastin

I really think it will work this time.

Deja vu.

Vote: Sonic Boom

.

Because let's face it.
It's Metal Sonic.
And Titus.
METAL SONIC.
And TITUS.

Is there ANY universe where they

aren't

scum here?

Mastina was scum. This is almost verbatim Dave's post.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

When

isn't

she scum?

For comparison.

[Titus]

I asked for multiple examples. kappa

BM + Mastina = Two examples

I am rarely RVSed because I rarely start. Blitz 6 is close but it was scum threatened by my strategy more likely.

[Titus]

Yup that post is the same fucking game and clearly an RVS joke sheep. Your mirrored scum almost verbatim that I had seen. Scum try to start wagons on me in RVS. Firebringer has that sort of jokey personality. You don't get to match established scum motivation and then try to pidgeonhile posts to fit.

You whine about selective meta, but you don't resemble anything close to an inquisitive nature. Even here, you aren't focused on solving the game but your own survival and to discredit me. That's the sole point of your vote.

Why haven't you interacted with Dwelee regarding the Pistachion wagon at all? You don't care to sort either.

I guaranfuckingtee that Davesto is scum. If he flips town, turbolynch me tomorrow.

[Titus]

If he flips town, turbolynch me tomorrow.

Should we really talk about how anti-town that line is ?

It's not because the promise is illusory. Dave's flipping scum.

[Titus]

Yup that post is the same fucking game and clearly an RVS joke sheep.

And mine... isn't clearly an RVS joke? Considering my known hatred of gambler's fallacy, you think I would be even close to being serious by making a vote on you in what is fairly obviously RVS territory regarding your reputation for often being scum?

Your mirrored scum almost verbatim that I had seen.

I also mirrored town very similarly that you had seen.

Scum try to start wagons on me in RVS.

How I RVS: pick a name from the playerlist I can say something silly about them, or just pick a random name. I find it amusing that you think me happening to choose you has any sort of ulterior motivation.

Firebringer has that sort of jokey personality.

And me, who modded a game called

PUN

Mafia, all about

PUN

s, and who is also known for making

PUN

s and the like isn't? Alright.

You don't get to match established scum motivation and then try to pidgeonhile posts to fit.

I find it amusing that you're describing exactly what you're doing; pigeonholing. You use the example that can paint me as scummy whilst ignoring one that doesn't allow you to paint me as scum - the RVS joke vote on you because "when aren't you scum"/"you're always scum". The fact that you don't even look at it tells me you aren't even trying to consider your thoughts on me - you just want me lynched because I'm an easy target.

You whine about selective meta, but you don't resemble anything close to an inquisitive nature.

"You whine about me doing X, but let me tell you something completely unrelated that you're not doing so you can just forget about my first point".

Even here, you aren't focused on solving the game but your own survival and to discredit me. That's the sole point of your vote.

Damn, you got me. I'm not trying to solve the game by reconsidering my vote on RC and putting it on you for perfectly good reasons, I'm obviously just trying to discredit you by pointing out how your logic is flawed.

Can we also talk about Titus' slight case of backpedalling? How earlier she acted as if my buddying was the biggest factor in me being scum, then not actually showing any buddying from me until after at least 3 or so players bugged her for it, and then when that's called out as not being buddied she acts as if my RVS vote was the biggest reason that I must be scum all along.

Why haven't you interacted with Dwelee regarding the Pistachion wagon at all? You don't care to sort either.

What is there to say? "Someone I don't really have a read on has a scumread on someone I don't really have a read on. I got no read from this." I comment on what I find important, because focusing on what's important massively reduces distracting rubbish like that would end up being. Someone thinks someone else is scum? Why should I care, I've found scum myself!

No. You wouldn't jokingly push a gambler's fallacy as town. You didn't closely resemble town. Fire was joking. You tried to make the exact same emphasis in the exact same manner as known scum. Your post wasn't a pun or a joke.

I didn't show the buddying because it was obvious. You're not investigating but just stating everyone is town and minimally having confrontation after being called out.

You're not an easy target at all Dave, that's blatant ate that's not true.

You're not "reconsidering RC" you just moved to the biggest threat against you. You didn't argue RC was town, just that Zi was scum.

[Titus]

Delete, please I guarantee Dave is scum. *bats eyelashes* I have been really hot with me reads lately too.

[Titus]

Dwlee = delete. Damn autocorrect.

[Titus]

I am not backing off on guaranteed scum. We can lynch Pistachio tomorrow. If that doesn't happen because of a cop guilty and you keep me alive, he'll be dead by Day 4.

You get angry cake N2. Meet me half way.

[Titus]

If it matches 100% of the time, who cares the size of my ego? If someone makes the same exact post as scum (Mastina 2) with the same exact professed response as scum (BM) with a complete and total departure from his town meta, what more do I need? Of course Dave's frustrated. Scum get frustrated when caught.

#frustrated.

Y'all can keep hunting. Dave is scum. Maybe we get lucky and I will have a pool that has all the scum day one.

[Titus]

Titus seems legitimately upset here.

I'm inclined to think her town here right now.

You're supposed to tunnel me so I'm not obvtown. I don't have all the scums pegged yet so I cannot lead from the grave.

[Titus]

Grib, claim ur alignment when sober. I wanna see if I can add you to my town block.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

#teamdave

His posts make complete sense and hers are ridiculous. I expect more from Titus.

Elyse, you scum here this game?

I don't think you can deny the similarity between the Mastina post I quoted and Dave's RVS of me.

[Titus]

I'm not denying that similarity. It's probably similar to hundreds of posts that have no correlation to alignment, like the one from town Dave brought up.

Your case makes no sense. First you said that he was buddying hardcore and showed no evidence of that. Now your whole argument is based on his RVS vote being similar to someone else's in a another game when you were scum and that person was town. Does that not sound ridiculous to you? I'm being serious here. People act in different ways and trying to base a case on that is absurd, especially considering you haven't even looked at over half the players in this game.

@Shiro
Her whole case is ridiculous as Dave has perfectly laid out already.

Nope. I am rarely RVSed as I sub into 75% of games I play (estimate).

Second, all the posts we have quoted I was town in, so you're failing at reading comprehension at best. Mastina and BM were scum. I have never (as far as I recall) been RVSed because I was a threat as scum in a finished game. People react in similar ways to similar stimuli if they approach the game in the same way. That's part of the reason why I do so well.

[Titus]

I'll never understand what makes drunk people inclined to go on MS

to be fair i'm posting in all of my games because i like sharing things

also, i'm more inclined to belive titus make sless sense as town than as scu;m

therefore, shes' town here

You know this frustrates me to no end right...

Your Elyse read go.

[Titus]

Let's lynch pistachio.

Can you give me your reads? I need to see if you are town block worthy too.

I got Shiro as obvtown.
Fire RC Dwelee Grib as probably town.


Elyse pings.

Dave scum

[Titus]

like

she's been on almost every major bandwagon

that's something scum probably woou'dnt do?

And if my theory is right that scum are shopping not Dave wagon?

[Titus]

You're also implying that people have ulterior motives behind RVS votes which is almost never true.

I always have ulterior motives behind my RVS votes as scum.

[Titus]

The fact that you sub in is irrelevant.

I mistyped in my post. I mean you were town and the other person was scum. My b.

Yes that scum always RVS me in the same way is a valid tell.

[Titus]

like

she's been on almost every major bandwagon

that's something scum probably woou'dnt do?

And if my theory is right that scum are shopping not Dave wagon?

the davsto wagon barely existed

wheer are scums hopping?

Anywhere else.

[Titus]

For a more legit answer, I need more time.

[Titus]

I think Elyse is number two but she could just be town stubborn.

[Titus]

You're also implying that people have ulterior motives behind RVS votes which is almost never true.

I always have ulterior motives behind my RVS votes as scum.

Good for you

The fact that you sub in is irrelevant.

I mistyped in my post. I mean you were town and the other person was scum. My b.

Yes that scum always RVS me in the same way is a valid tell.

Except they don't considering Dave showed a townie who did the exact same thing.

I wouldn't even be scumreading you this much if you backed off when Dave demolished your entire case but you kept on trucking which means to me that you don't actually care if you're right.

Dave didn't demolish my case. He posted a fire joke which was obviously a joke and frankly reeked of Fire town because of our history. Dave's post implied something that wasn't true and matched scum almost verbatim.

Dave's behavior doesn't match his town game and he admits that.

Rather than engage anyone, he just OMGUSed.

You've seen me tunnel like this before (although it was the SK in Slandaar's case) so reaching the conclusion that I don't care because my suspect challenged me.

;s your reads on everyone else? What do you think of my town reads?

[Titus]

If he flips town, turbolynch me tomorrow.

Should we really talk about how anti-town that line is ?

That's not anti-town. It's pretty common for players to do the "lynch me tomorrow if I'm not right" thing. It sounds more like over-confidence to me.

Look, I know you're probably caught up. Reads please.

If you're not, tell us your reads and where you are please.

[Titus]

What about the lurkers ?

One scum is bound to be there. I mean come on.

This zimlx guy said that nothing of interest has happened and like we are 32 pages in. What is up with that excuse.

Tbh his last post was basically an excuse not to paticipate day 1. How is that town motivated in the least ?

If you think Dave is town, pressure wagon on Z Elyse or Pist wouldn't be bad.

Heartbreaking because Dave is scum but

[Titus]

Do what you're going to do. It's clear that logical evidence won't win out till deadline and I will come back and chime in on occasion but Dave is scum.

[Titus]

I gotta go for the day. Love y'all. Frustrated but I still love you.

[Titus]

Yeah that post is off.

1) Doesn't answer my concerns about her jumping to scum because of tunneling (which I am doing).
2) Calls Shiro town but attacks her in the same post.
3) Agrees with the townreads of someone she's scumreading.
4) Doesn't mention FB as town and he's a townread of mine.
5) Scumreads all major wagons but Dave.
6) Subtly associates Pistach with Zymf.

Yeah. Heebies.


RC, we are agreeing a lot this game.

[Titus]

@RC, Yes. I am emotional regardless of alignment. You should know this. As town, fellow town should be able to track how I feel to gauge strength of reads, sarcasm, and likely behavior. There's zero indicator of tone online.

@shiro, Ok. Tomorrow we should lynch Dave.

@drixx, hurry up and be town please.

[Titus]

Yeah that post is off.

1) Doesn't answer my concerns about her jumping to scum because of tunneling (which I am doing).

I thought you dismantled your own point when you said you were SK in the other game...

2) Calls Shiro town but attacks her in the same post.

Unlike you, my reads are dynamic and I'm constantly reevaluating them. I don't call someone town and put them on a shelf not to be looked at again.

3) Agrees with the townreads of someone she's scumreading.

Scum do tend to have the best track record at townreading

4) Doesn't mention FB as town and he's a townread of mine.

Yeah, and? I don't have much of a read on FB. I don't have a problem with your townread on him.

5) Scumreads all major wagons but Dave.

RC is not a major wagon.

6) Subtly associates Pistach with Zymf.

Not at all. That's a misrep.

Elyse you suddenly started town reading me ? or I missed something? :/

Nah it started way back if I.recall correctly.

Btw

Christmas annie Avi : D

Yeah I explained that try reading the thread.

1) Reading fail at best, you said you were scu reading me do to my depth of tunnel. I had tunneled on Slandaar who was the SK.
2) the way you were treating Shiro is not consistent with a townread on her.
3) Copout. Also wrong since you oughta know I rarely bus as scum, so assuming all my townreads are true should be a problem to you if scumreading me.
4) How can you not have a read at this point on FB?
5) Yeah but Pist and Zmph were floated.
6) Yeah you did.

[Titus]

Dave AJ Elyse is where I am at currently

[Titus]

Sweet middle spot on heat wagon, total lack of engagement with me or my Dave read but for saying it's ego. That doesn't mean anything. Every read he's taken others already stated.

1) MM - no reason abandoned when not popular for...
2) Heat - no reason

He's made subtle jabs at the townbblock. Grib and myself especially.
Also made jabs at vca, which competent vca pressures him and the last person who attacked my vca preemptively without provocation was scum.

[Titus]

*saying my push is ego doesn't say it's right or wrong but just serves to discredit.

[Titus]

So you'll lynch stachi with us, titus?

If I have to. Dave is guaranteed scum but no one's voting him.

[Titus]

I am a little perturbed at how easy the heat wagon is to build.

[Titus]

AJ abandons the Heat wagon now to doubtcast FA for being her usual self.

You're right the who doesn't matter. It's the

how

that matters. I wouldn't care just for being RVSed, it was how Dave said it.

Another jab because my Dave case "isn't good enough". When you both have red PMs, that's going to happen.

You weren't certain scum via VCA. I didn't say confidence ore flip either. I was referring to 340 where your attack of the method is out of left field. If Pistachio is scum, I bet AJ is scum too. Because Dwellee was saying something about VCA for reactions is no reason to attack the method itself.

[Titus]

When i townbblock, I win. No attacking my town reads today.

[Titus]

@Aj, my reads in BBMolla were off due to bad spec. It very rarely happens to the best of us. The last three town games I had, all my d1 reads were accurate but for the tail end of Pun Mafia. FB and Kling I had. So yup, definitely am.

@dwlee, mario's definitely not in any townbblock of mine either. I need to bake things to clear my head.

[Titus]

I am holding out hope...

[Titus]

I am a terrible baker. :-p Whaddya want?

[Titus]

I make only cookies, donuts, pot brownies and angry cakes. :-p

[Titus]

Can anyone make me a Christmas hat avatar? Bonus if it's with the trench coat.

[Titus]

You give me ice cream for brownies? That's a hard offer to pass up.

[Titus]

Titus would look extra scummy with that coat

Only extra scummy?

I think it looks great.

[Titus]

1) don't remember the name. if it's important, I can look it up.

Rest is just she said she said.

[Titus]

Remind me about why we think Frozen Angel is town.

Who is this too?

[Titus]

Titus, besides Dave who would you be willing to vote right now?

Dave.

I don't feel right now is the time for compromise.

[Titus]

No, if you don't think Dave is scum, I don't want you to compromise. If you think Dave is scum, I want your vote.

[Titus]

Remind me about why we think Frozen Angel is town.

Who is this too?

Dwlee.

Why would you ask this? This feels of to me.

[Titus]

Dwlee was stating it was one of the reasons he feels me to be scum, so I asked him to point to what makes FA town.

Then why say "we think"? You are claiming not to think FA is town.

VOTE: AJ

RC, help me do something about it then.

[Titus]

I want Dave tomorrow. Dave is guaranteed scum.

Pistachio to me is a policy lynch. I will vote him if I can't get any scumread.

[Titus]

Pistachio isn't even a policy lynch, it's a dumb wagon that's clearly in scum's interests because there's nothing that's really legitimately scummy about the slot.

I'm not voting her today.

The refusal to provide content when asked repeatedly is very anti town.

[Titus]

we think

Vote me for semantics. That's definitely how you find scum.

Word choice is the entire point of the game.

[Titus]

It really isn't. Do you vote people off of the specific words they say (We/you) or what they're saying?

That's a distinction without a difference.

[Titus]

Why are people jumping off of Heat? He's done nothing to deserve it.
It's time we ran him up and got a claim. Quit messing around with these vanity wagons and let's get this done.

Heat and Stashion are policy lynches.

Your thoughts on active players Shinobi.

[Titus]

According to Titus lurking day 1 should get you out of a lynch

Another misrep.

Lurkers are compromises lynches if town can't agree on a scumread. They provide little information for later days.

[Titus]

Uh, Heat is far from a policy lynch.

I don't remember anything scummy Heat has done.

[Titus]

Titus is probably town, but I really don't get her reasons for the Dav push because I'm really not seeing any buddying going on there
FA's spiel did strike me as townie, but not enough to make me unvote her
I'm not feeling as bad about Dwlee as I was yesterday. I agree that pistachio is scummy but I don't think its worthy of a lynch right now. I wanna see more of them before deciding

Oh right, heat did the same buddying Dave did.

Was me.

[Titus]

According to Titus lurking day 1 should get you out of a lynch

Another misrep.

Lurkers are compromises lynches if town can't agree on a scumread. They provide little information for later days.

Where was the first one?

Also you used the word policy, not compromise. Those are two very different things. Don't change your words.

Everything that has practically come out of your mouth.

A policy lynch should always be a compromise not the ideal.

[Titus]

Titus is probably town, but I really don't get her reasons for the Dav push because I'm really not seeing any buddying going on there
FA's spiel did strike me as townie, but not enough to make me unvote her
I'm not feeling as bad about Dwlee as I was yesterday. I agree that pistachio is scummy but I don't think its worthy of a lynch right now. I wanna see more of them before deciding

Oh right, heat did the same buddying Dave did.

Was me.

I rly didn't wanna post when I wasn't sober but I need to ask how I'm buddying here
Like waffling on my reads I can sort of understand but buddying? I don't get it

Intellectual buddying occurs when someone summarizes the thread but reaches the conclusion everyone is town to avoid pissing anyone off.

[Titus]

Stachio is far from a policy lynch. ffs titus. Have yoj read the crap content they are laying out?

They haven't put out any content.

[Titus]

Stachio is far from a policy lynch. ffs titus. Have yoj read the crap content they are laying out?

They haven't put out any content.

Showing signs of reading the thread by commenting on stuff but ignoring dwee or any sort of engagement on her is Content

Although tbh zimp is worse. That excuse to not participate at all day 1 was beyond horrid

That's a townie indication though. If I could get away with it I would when pressured. Someone concerned with survival would act differently. While it's annoying and anti-town, I don't see it as survival motivated.

[Titus]

THEY ARE NOT A POLICY LYNCH. THEY ARENT EVEN ATTEMPTING TO SOLVE THE GAME.
You say it is not survival based but lurking out a wagon is a thing. Anddd you cant make the argument that it is not scum-oriented as a reason to not vote because guess what- it is most definitely not town-oriented.

The lurking entirely isn't protown (the not engaging you looks deliberate). The whole thing is a null. I vote scumreads, then policy.

[Titus]

Why wouldnt town engage me? Why? The most they have done is been like "but i no bandwagon" and that stupid meme. ;-;
Dont be like this. You know they are scummm

You don't want me to answer this. It coaches Pistachion on what to say.

[Titus]

Well they arent saying it so thy are scum. c'mon. *choochoo*

Now wouldn't be the time to say it.

Dave Elyse AJ. I want them.

[Titus]

Heat Pistachion and Z are compromise lynches.

[Titus]

The townbblock is the most important thing imo.

Drixx needs to talk to me imo. I know he's active elsewhere and familiar with my town game at it's best.

Why is Shinobi in your wouldn't lynch pile Grib? I got no interest in him D1 but not so sure he's town.

[Titus]

How to form a scumread from Titus PoV:
1) Do they disagree with you?
If the answer is yes, scumread them. If the answer is no, don't.

That's terrible. I would be scumreading 90% of the game if that was the case.

[Titus]

Shinobi is too high Imo. We literally just discussed that.

Having lurkers as compromise lynches is something we agree on. Kinda don't want MM lynched though.

[Titus]

Pistachio isn't a policy lynch.

To me, he is. Dave Elyse and Aj are scum lynches.

[Titus]

Haschel's Signature:
"Back when I was alive, I used to think votes equaled pressure. Now I realized pressure equals pressure. Crazy, huh?" Or something like that lol

And I disagree on your meaning of "policy lynch", titus.

That's your right to be wrong.

[Titus]

Like Grib's post.

[Titus]

Lining up lynches, etc.

Seriously his ISO is terrible. I'm not moving my vote.

That post was not lining up lynches.

[Titus]

Saying people can "wait for tomorrow" is lining up lynches

No it's not. It's a common phrase. Dwelee has said we can do Dave tomorrow. I think I said the same back. You never objected then. Your vote is bad.

[Titus]

(keeping track of votals is not alignment-indicative for me, so copy+pasting them should be okay)

Spoiler:

Votecount #1 (p. 1-4)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
Davsto (2): Titus, Firebringer
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf
Titus (1): Davsto
Firebringer (1): Shiro
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

Heat

(1): Shinobi

Abstaining (4): Espeonage, notscience, pignash, RadiantCowbells

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #2 (p. 5-8)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf
Firebringer (2): Shiro, RadiantCowbells

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Davsto (1): Titus
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells (1): Firebringer
Grib (1): Espeonage

Abstaining (3): notscience, pignash, Davsto

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #3 (p. 9-12)

MarioManiac4

(5): Grib, Elyse, Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

, Dwlee99
pistachi0n (2):

Heat

, Zymf

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Davsto (1): Titus
Shiro (1): pistachi0n
Dwlee99 (1):

MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells (1): Firebringer
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells

Abstaining (4): notscience, pignash, Davsto, Shiro

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #4 (p. 13-16)

RadiantCowbells (3): Firebringer, Davsto, Elyse
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (3): Titus, Shiro, Grib

MarioManiac4

(2): Frozen Angel,

Aj The Epic

Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells
pistachi0n (1): Dwlee99

Abstaining (2): notscience, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #5 (p. 17-20)

Dwlee99 (4):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n, pignash
RadiantCowbells (3): Firebringer, Davsto, Elyse
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99, Grib

MarioManiac4

(1):

Aj The Epic

Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Heat

(1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): RadiantCowbells

Abstaining (2): notscience, Frozen Angel

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #6 (p. 21-24)

Heat

(4): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

Dwlee99 (4):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n, pignash
Davsto (3): Titus, Shiro, Firebringer
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99, Grib
Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage

Abstaining (3): notscience, Frozen Angel, Davsto

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #7 (p. 25-28)

Heat

(6): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (1): Dwlee99
Frozen Angel (1):

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): notscience, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #8 (p. 29-32)

Heat

(6): Shinobi, RadiantCowbells, Elyse,

Aj The Epic

, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
Davsto (2): Titus, Shiro
pistachi0n (2): Dwlee99,

Heat

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): notscience, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #9 (p. 33-36)

Heat

(4): Shinobi, Elyse, Grib, Frozen Angel
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
pistachi0n (3): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro

Aj The Epic

(2): Titus, RadiantCowbells
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #10 (p. 37-40)

Aj The Epic

(4): Titus, RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel, Grib
Dwlee99 (3):

MarioManiac4

, Zymf, pistachi0n
pistachi0n (3): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro

Heat

(2): Shinobi, Elyse
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

o~o~o~o~o

Votecount #11 (p. 41-44)

pistachi0n (5): Dwlee99,

Heat

, Shiro,

MarioManiac4

, Zymf

Aj The Epic

(4): Titus, Frozen Angel, Grib, RadiantCowbells
Frozen Angel (1):

Aj The Epic

Dwlee99 (1): pistachi0n
Zymf (1): Shinobi
Grib (1): Espeonage
Titus (1): Firebringer

Heat

(1): Elyse

Abstaining (3): Drixx, Davsto, pignash

Well, at a glance, it isn't impossible. None of them have voted together, except in the last votal, which. Makes me less inclined to lynch pistachi0n.

VCA pre flips? Really?

[Titus]

No single wagon toDay has had more than six votes, when the necessary needed to lynch is ten. I think this suggests a scumteam that's timid, overly-careful, new, or lurking.

Or a low charisma scumteam that cannot push a counterwagon to scum but is better at defending and wking.

Dave Elyse AJ.

[Titus]

@Shiro, need my mason buddy to talk here. I wish I could do four things at once

[Titus]

Because it's happened in several of my games. Seems like a lot of players can get away with talking off the cuff and they don't get turned on immediately but I'm still new and people don't know my personality so I post something underwhelming and it means I'm scummy. Annoying mostly.

I said who I thought was suspicous. Zymf is my main scum read currently because of their terrible vote of Pistachion.

Dwlee is town, but annoying and I don't really thing pistachion is scum.

Titus seems to have calmed down a little, I don't know if that means she thinks the tunnel on dave bought her enough town cred to coast for a bit or if it means she was pushing so hard to get the game going in earnest.

RC seems town.

These are my strongest reads ATM.

I tunnelled Dave because he is scum. My posting slowed because of a cold. I will catch up tomorrow.

[Titus]

@shiro, I got four priorities to manage

1) Self preservation (cookies)
2) satiating Firebringer (donuts)
3) getting pistachion to compromise (angry cake)
4) rewarding RC's intelligence (pot brownies)

I am a terrible baker. I can only do one. Help me?

[Titus]

Agreed.

Still waiting on Drixx. :'( and my mason. :'(

[Titus]

Cookies are cute. Ok. those are nice cookies but the heart one is too sweet.

[Titus]

@shiro, I got four priorities to manage

1) Self preservation (cookies)
2) satiating Firebringer (donuts)
3) getting pistachion to compromise (angry cake)
4) rewarding RC's intelligence (pot brownies)

I am a terrible baker. I can only do one. Help me?

/me is helping

Yes, you are, but I can't bake cookies as adorable as yours. You shall not get cookies cuz likely no ice cream. Cookies and ice cream go together.

I will adapt.

[Titus]

Well that was interesting.

what was?

ψοολ ψοολ δριχχ υοθ δο τηατ

ςε νεεδ σομε φρεση οπινιονσ

I fxied it right the next post. Forgot my keyboard was on greek input

So mafia is all Greek to you. [/joke]

[Titus]

Vote AJ Dwelee. I can help you get what u want.

[Titus]

If I don't, you get my vote tomorrow as long as it's not getting placed on me or my townreads. Fair?

[Titus]

And what is it that I want?

Dead Pistachio.

[Titus]

So mafia is all Greek to you. [/joke]

The joke can't work on me because I am greek myself xD

Joke point successful. You must be royally funny. Too bad I can't enter the castle to be with my mason buddy.

[Titus]

So mafia is all Greek to you. [/joke]

The joke can't work on me because I am greek myself xD

Joke point successful. You must be royally funny. Too bad I can't enter the castle to be with my mason buddy.

I wish I was a mason : (

Me too but I think we need town unity more atm. It'll happen eventually.

[Titus]

@dwelee, how about it?

[Titus]

I'm fairly confident the scumteam doesn't believe they can get me lynched toDay without at least half of them pushing it and getting ripped to shreds when I flip town.

I welcome them to try, though!

Titus, I don't feel people are scrambling to counter Davsto. The wagon just feels...boring. It didn't take off because there really isn't a lot to it.

These kind of posts have 0 town motivation.

Dav lynch probably isn't a good choice. Titus, you're almost ego-hunting on this "Scum RVS me" reason.

pistachio - Dweele is like a TvS fight. not sure which side is town though ... dweele is really focused on him right now.

Dwlee pointed this out but there is an issue with this post. You call it TvS with no reason for your suspicion. You give no reasons either way that Dwlee or Pistachio could be scum. Most importantly, you never pointed who was town in this situation, but just decided that one of the two was scum. Free lynches? This is a scum post and should be regarded as a scum claim. FA is playing both sides of the fence with no reason for either. Take a good look at the iso and find me reasons for your town read on her, because between fluff posts and hardcore fence sitting and some arguable buddying, there's an admitted lack of town play here.

VOTE: FrozenAngel

Sweet middle spot on heat wagon, total lack of engagement with me or my Dave read but for saying it's ego. That doesn't mean anything. Every read he's taken others already stated.

1) MM - no reason abandoned when not popular for...
2) Heat - no reason

He's made subtle jabs at the townbblock. Grib and myself especially.
Also made jabs at vca, which competent vca pressures him and the last person who attacked my vca preemptively without provocation was scum.

Titus, you have a major issue reading me. Your case on dave on "Scum RVS me" is COMPLETELY ego. I could RVS you, Fire RVS'd you and you didn't give a shit. You're just giving one a pass and one none and your case otherwise isn't going anywhere. In not so many words, I was telling you your case wasn't good enough.

I left the mario wagon because I had other places to be. There's no need for me to say otherwise because it's not like I'm magically town reading him. Heat's post before mine was bad and was pointed out by RCB.

Making jabs at your town block needs to happen. I'm not townreading Grib at all. The only reason I've jabbed at you is because your case about Dave isn't up to snuff. And you're all wrong about Frozen Angel. I don't care for your belief that I shouldn't be taking jabs at them and for whatever reason you calling a select group of players town puts them off limits. We both know that's not smart nor is it how you play.

As for VCA, it won't even work until flips start happening. Good on you for thinking otherwise but you're wrong.

Your case on me needs something more substantial, same with Dave.

Remind me about why we think Frozen Angel is town.

Who is this too?

Dwlee.

Dwlee was stating it was one of the reasons he feels me to be scum, so I asked him to point to what makes FA town.

we think

Vote me for semantics. That's definitely how you find scum.

I quoted a few posts here that are symbolic of the bulk of AJ's posts. His focus has been more on attacking townblocks than catching scum. He's not pushing his own reads but focusing on defending himself.

[Titus]

The ego hunting defense of Dave is scummy. Let's suppose I have a huge ego. It has zero bearing on Dave's alignment.

Oh by the way, Davesto has ignored this thread after the pressure on him abated.

[Titus]

Did I do anything different in my last game with you? Your read there was so bad and so tunneled it arguably played the town into the ground.

Yes. You actually scum hunted but decided to lie about the specifics of a very improbable role. I actually solved you and tried to derail your last second lynch. You were much different there than here.

[Titus]

Subject: NY 190: Molla's Large Normal

Also i don't think im liking choof anymore. For someone accusing Banana of being self conscious he's being self conscious himself.

can you explain what you mean by 'self-conscious'? I looked multiple times and there's nothing in that exchange where choof calls banana for being self-conscious.

Also, can you explain why none of your votes are your own thought? So far the last two votes I see from you are someone else's opinion that you're sheeping.

[Titus]

See those type posts are missing from your ISO here. You use pattern recognition, teamwork and strategy. Here you're more about appearing town that scumhunting.

[Titus]

Did I do anything different in my last game with you? Your read there was so bad and so tunneled it arguably played the town into the ground.

I don't like this response at all.

You admit to being concerned with defending yourself more than catching scum and try to spin that as something Titus should recognize you as town for. No bueno.

Great, then why haven't you been pushing your own block? Pushing specific players in the block as scum? Using the same strategies as before to sort players?

[Titus]

I assume you meant to respond to me, in which I state that I never pushed my own block. I followed Luna's block and questioned her on the people that I thought she got wrong. I'm doing to same thing here. I have mild suspicions on Gribs and major concerns about FrozenAngel.

Outside of that, I don't think the case on Pistachio is strong enough to follow and the town's direction has crashed in the last few days with almost a general acceptance that you'll go Me to pistachio or vice versa. News flash: This being that easy should be major causes for concern, especially because there's no fight from anyone (scum would at least try to prevent their guys from being lynched in some form, no matter how minor). My current guess is pistachio is town and the town in general is barking up the wrong trees. My suggestion would be to pursue Mario since your block seems to collectively wonder about him. Or pursue me, but this time at least give a damn about the people's reads after they die.

ExceptI do think scum is fighting and failing to find an acceptable lynch. Pisachion wagon is people who the town block also suspected. The wagon on you is full of town for the most part.

If you felt the game was stalling, why didn't you case a scumread rather than throwing blind darts at Grib? You suspected me at a point, why didn't you talk to Fire?

[Titus]

I'm fairly confident the scumteam doesn't believe they can get me lynched toDay without at least half of them pushing it and getting ripped to shreds when I flip town.

I welcome them to try, though!

Titus, I don't feel people are scrambling to counter Davsto. The wagon just feels...boring. It didn't take off because there really isn't a lot to it.

These kind of posts have 0 town motivation.

Dav lynch probably isn't a good choice. Titus, you're almost ego-hunting on this "Scum RVS me" reason.

pistachio - Dweele is like a TvS fight. not sure which side is town though ... dweele is really focused on him right now.

Dwlee pointed this out but there is an issue with this post. You call it TvS with no reason for your suspicion. You give no reasons either way that Dwlee or Pistachio could be scum. Most importantly, you never pointed who was town in this situation, but just decided that one of the two was scum. Free lynches? This is a scum post and should be regarded as a scum claim. FA is playing both sides of the fence with no reason for either. Take a good look at the iso and find me reasons for your town read on her, because between fluff posts and hardcore fence sitting and some arguable buddying, there's an admitted lack of town play here.

VOTE: FrozenAngel

Sweet middle spot on heat wagon, total lack of engagement with me or my Dave read but for saying it's ego. That doesn't mean anything. Every read he's taken others already stated.

1) MM - no reason abandoned when not popular for...
2) Heat - no reason

He's made subtle jabs at the townbblock. Grib and myself especially.
Also made jabs at vca, which competent vca pressures him and the last person who attacked my vca preemptively without provocation was scum.

Titus, you have a major issue reading me. Your case on dave on "Scum RVS me" is COMPLETELY ego. I could RVS you, Fire RVS'd you and you didn't give a shit. You're just giving one a pass and one none and your case otherwise isn't going anywhere. In not so many words, I was telling you your case wasn't good enough.

I left the mario wagon because I had other places to be. There's no need for me to say otherwise because it's not like I'm magically town reading him. Heat's post before mine was bad and was pointed out by RCB.

Making jabs at your town block needs to happen. I'm not townreading Grib at all. The only reason I've jabbed at you is because your case about Dave isn't up to snuff. And you're all wrong about Frozen Angel. I don't care for your belief that I shouldn't be taking jabs at them and for whatever reason you calling a select group of players town puts them off limits. We both know that's not smart nor is it how you play.

As for VCA, it won't even work until flips start happening. Good on you for thinking otherwise but you're wrong.

Your case on me needs something more substantial, same with Dave.

Remind me about why we think Frozen Angel is town.

Who is this too?

Dwlee.

Dwlee was stating it was one of the reasons he feels me to be scum, so I asked him to point to what makes FA town.

we think

Vote me for semantics. That's definitely how you find scum.

I quoted a few posts here that are symbolic of the bulk of AJ's posts. His focus has been more on attacking townblocks than catching scum. He's not pushing his own reads but focusing on defending himself.

Did I do anything different in my last game with you? Your read there was so bad and so tunneled it arguably played the town into the ground.

Did I do anything different in my last game with you? Your read there was so bad and so tunneled it arguably played the town into the ground.

I don't like this response at all.

You admit to being concerned with defending yourself more than catching scum and try to spin that as something Titus should recognize you as town for. No bueno.

Read these three together Shinobi.

[Titus]

AJ, why aren't you pushing a scum suspect?

Reads please.

[Titus]

That faux Greek really was unpleasant. Was that done knowing that I actually teach Greek? (Random question, I'm on page 34 atm, but I checked what had been posted so far this evening).

You could test this if important. Use a Greek idiom.

Your reads baby doll.

[Titus]

Thoughts on wagons fire?

[Titus]

Just wanted to make sure you weren't dodging. If you have sufficient content, I won't push for a wall.

[Titus]

You have to vote AJ to have me help you Dwelee. Meet me halfway. Why the reluctance?

[Titus]

Why are you not convinced?