NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: Shiro for going first

[pistachi0n]

I've caught up on the game and I'm not liking Dwlee. His case on Mario is (self-admittedly) OMGUS:

Mario's misreps and terrible case make me lean heavily scum on him. Like that case was the worst case I have ever seen.

Okay, but why is it the worst case you've ever seen? What are some examples of the misreps? Are you going to respond to Mario's case itself besides calling it bad?

VOTE: Dwlee

[pistachi0n]

Saying he's going to post a VCA isn't scummy. I see lots of people announce such posts before they make them, I'm not sure why but it's a thing that happens. VCA before any flips though? How?

[pistachi0n]

I didn't bandwagon onto you? The clear bandwagon was on Mario.

[pistachi0n]

If he flips town, turbolynch me tomorrow.

Should we really talk about how anti-town that line is ?

That's not anti-town. It's pretty common for players to do the "lynch me tomorrow if I'm not right" thing. It sounds more like over-confidence to me.

[pistachi0n]

Just vote Stachion with me RC.

[pistachi0n]

I don't think Dwlee is scum anymore. He's so adamant, every post of his is "LYNCH PISTACHI0N LYNCH PISTACHI0N" and he even argued with Titus about the right reason to vote me when Titus was willing to vote me anyway.

I'm scum-reading Shinobi. Half of the posts are about semantics, "I guess," or statements with no elaboration.

VOTE: Shinobi

[pistachi0n]

I don't think Dwlee is scum anymore. He's so adamant, every post of his is "LYNCH PISTACHI0N LYNCH PISTACHI0N" and he even argued with Titus about the right reason to vote me when Titus was willing to vote me anyway.

I'm scum-reading Shinobi. Half of the posts are about semantics, "I guess," or statements with no elaboration.

VOTE: Shinobi

What? Where?

Like in 1088 "I can be swayed, I guess"
964 statement with no elaboration
In posts like 357 and 521 he's disagreeing but not giving content/elaborating.

[pistachi0n]

Did I do anything different in my last game with you? Your read there was so bad and so tunneled it arguably played the town into the ground.

I don't like this response at all.

You admit to being concerned with defending yourself more than catching scum and try to spin that as something Titus should recognize you as town for. No bueno.

Where does this come from? I don't see anything like that at all in the post you're questioning.

[pistachi0n]

Dwlee, why were you blindly trusting Titus when you switched votes earlier?

[pistachi0n]

Dwlee, why were you blindly trusting Titus when you switched votes earlier?

Answer my question from earlier plx.

The "I can be swayed, I guess" shows indecisiveness and wanting to go with the crowd, disagreeing without a reason is lazy and a way to look like you're posting a lot without saying much.

[pistachi0n]

Because titus is clearly town. It is nice to see your scum team finally coaching you, btw, pistachi0n.
Titus is wrong about AJ, though.

...Who's coaching you?

[pistachi0n]

I mean, who's coaching me?

[pistachi0n]

No clue, but someone is.

What led you to this conclusion? You're just saying "someone's coaching you?" Usually statements like this come with an example.

[pistachi0n]

No clue, but someone is.

What led you to this conclusion? You're just saying "someone's coaching you?" Usually statements like this come with an example.

The fact that you have suddenly completely changed your playstyle and only now do you interact with me?

I didn't know how I was supposed to interact with you when all you were saying was "LYNCH PISTACHIO!!!!" I've been posting more lately because I have less going on.

[pistachi0n]

I hate my life. I am literally the worst. Why cant I just draw scum all the time like I did 9 games straight on my home site.

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This is actually making me lean towards scum reading you again.

[pistachi0n]

I hate my life. I am literally the worst. Why cant I just draw scum all the time like I did 9 games straight on my home site.

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This is actually making me lean towards scum reading you again.

Because?

It's a weird appeal to emotion, but Dwlee clearly isn't getting lynched and we have a little over one calendar day left.

VOTE: Aj

[pistachi0n]

Lol stach I am on the Aj wagon y'know, right?

Yeah, I really don't know how I feel about you.

[pistachi0n]

I'm not liking Nero right now, he jumps in with one calendar day left to lynch and starts buddying the biggest wagon, it looks like he's trying to not sheep.

[pistachi0n]

Do you guys want a mislynch or...?

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: Aj

The resistance to the wagon yesterday, especially at the end of the day, was

astonishing.

[pistachi0n]

What do you think of Titus who is hard town reading that after trying like hell (and failing miserly) to get that lynched?

I looked through Titus's iso again and she said AJ obvtowned but didn't say where or how, so that's a little off.

But this is an associative theory and right now I think more evidence points to AJ being scum. I'd be more likely to consider Titus scum is AJ flips town, actually, because then I'd be thinking Titus wanted to buddy and get points after AJ flips town.

[pistachi0n]

What's with your voting changes? You're going back and forth between two people who are both scumreading each other.

[pistachi0n]

What else does he need to say? It's early in the game and you're role fishing.

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: Titus

I trust Elyse for now, also she was on the awful Mario flashwagon.

[pistachi0n]

Is Nero calling Titus scum for starting a fight?

For starting a fight and he also castes suspicion on her interactions with AJ.

[pistachi0n]

The Mario wagon was very quick and happened while I was offline. I thought it was suspicious and terrible.

[pistachi0n]

No. I want Dave.

I scrolled through your iso trying to recall your case on Davsto.

And there isn't one! I searched "dav" and read everything you wrote about him. You called him confscum a lot, but the extent of your "case" is in 1487 where you say "I am scumreading Dave because he is treating me like I know scum have treated me in the past."

[pistachi0n]

Aren't you going to elaborate on how scum have treated you in the past?

[pistachi0n]

Aren't you going to read my post? Seriously, I just did quote where I had elaborated.

It's ridiculous to assume he's scum based on how

other players

have acted. If you want to use meta, use his own meta.

[pistachi0n]

Second, if it was so ridiculous, why bother asking for an explanation supporting the conclusion? Just state the belief is wrong, even if my premises are right.

I wanted to know if there was something else aside from that. Have you ever played with Davsto before?

[pistachi0n]

AJ's higher priority, why has nobody else noticed how sketchy the flash wagon was yesterday?

[pistachi0n]

Oh damn I seriously wonder why Aj might be on a MM wagon when it's either MM or Aj getting lynched. Let's think about that one.

The Mario wagon was so fast and close to the deadline though.

[pistachi0n]

Pistachi0n isn't gonna interact with me. *shrugs*

What do you want to talk about?

[pistachi0n]

The fact that you're so wrong on all of your reads?

Your opinion is noted.

[pistachi0n]

I'll definitely note that if pignash flips scum.

[pistachi0n]

People are on my wagon to punish not talking enough. I think that's good in theory but I just don't have a lot of good scum reads yet.

I haven't talked much either and even I have some scum reads...

[pistachi0n]

What's what??? My main scum reads are Titus and AJ.

[pistachi0n]

so why are you scum reading them. engage with me.

I said before that I'm suspicious of the last minute resistance to an AJ wagon. I trust Elyse and Titus stands more of a chance of getting lynched today.

[pistachi0n]

Yeah, Titus, what's up with your AJ read?

[pistachi0n]

pistach, are you just ignoring questions you can't answer now? Pretty sure the "Why the read on Aj" question was asked by Frozen_Angel and you just ignored it.

...no? I've answered it multiple times now? It's because of the resistance to the lynch/last minute wagon with less than a day left.

[pistachi0n]

Is pistachi0n ignorant of elyse being an ic? Their "trusting elyse" statements make it seem like a town read, not confirmed town.
And pistachi0n.. my question to elyse isnt me calling her scum by any means.
at all. Your "yeah titus what is with your aj read" is a terrible post.

Yes, I'm aware, that's why I trust her. I'm mincing words because I'm on my phone.

[pistachi0n]

Their AJ read, Elyse?

Everyone's read on AJ changed.

Why? How did he magically obvtown himself?

[pistachi0n]

Why did you not ask Titus that?

I did, earlier in the day.

[pistachi0n]

I played a game with scum Titus, she got in a very heated 1v1. She's not acting like that now, or at least not to that degree, but there was a little hint of it with Nero.

[pistachi0n]

Hey Dwlee, I'm good with voting pistachio now.

Why?

[pistachi0n]

I'm committed to my belief that AJ is scum.

[pistachi0n]

Unrelated to what?

[pistachi0n]

I'm voting Titus because Elyse is town. I'd rather lynch AJ first but I tried that first and nobody listened.

[pistachi0n]

I'm voting Titus because Elyse is town. I'd rather lynch AJ first but I tried that first and nobody listened.

And why haven't you considered the possibility Elyse is just a dumb townie this game?

All I know is she's the only one I can trust.

[pistachi0n]

Find me a post where Dave scumhunts.

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Or does it not count if he's scumhunting you?

[pistachi0n]

I do want him to elaborate on why he thinks Nero is town.

[pistachi0n]

Also, please answer the following questions with nothing less than complete and total honesty.

1) Are you mafia?
2) Are you okay with being Cop checked?

What's the point? Especially q1.

[pistachi0n]

Drixx, people don't act logically. Not even you. If you're basing your reads off of what a perfectly rational agent would do, you're going to have a bad time.

[pistachi0n]

About scum refusing to discuss buddies and the Dave wagon--say Dave is scum. And you say nobody is discussing him, which adds to your scumread. But that means townies aren't discussing him either. Why do you think that is?

[pistachi0n]

Dave hasn't said anything lately, so he's out of focus. I'm willing to look at him when he rejoins the game.

It's on the record that I found Nero's entrance scummy.

[pistachi0n]

The amount of buddying in this game is a new record.

If that was the case, why can't we wagon anyone?

The amount of buddying in this game is a new record.

Who's buddying, aside from Nero on Titus?

[pistachi0n]

and Nero is buddying titus?!

What gives you that impression? They seem quite antagonistic.

[pistachi0n]

I meant to say Nero and AJ. Sorry.

[pistachi0n]

Haven't talked to Nero since yesterday, am not voting with him, only mentioned that Nero-town implies dave town.

Why so?

[pistachi0n]

AJ, I was asking why Nero town implies Dave town.