You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Elyse]

Heyyyyy. I'm happy to finally be in a game without RC!!

In other news, the passionate storm has been notably absent from the start of the game.

Why would you expect them to be here for gamestart?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Varsoon's town.

Why?
Also why did you feel it was necessary to change your vote three times on page 1?
@Aneninen
First you vote for me in the sign-up thread and now here...

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

The vote, or calling him town?

PEdit:
Yes. I just did my research. I'll assume this is Titus speaking. Where's your other head?

Hmmm. Not sure if I believe you're a newb. But that's irrelevant to alignment anyway. I see you've been in two games already, why are you excited about your roleplay only now?

I hate hydras.

VOTE: Spider Gwen

That doesn't look like RVS. Why?

explain this?

Was your vote on Spider Gwen RVS?

@51 both heads agree you look like scum. Jeanne's gut.

Anen is making a long post but it sheeps what is already done.

We asked why EE doesn't like the thread. Jeanne pressed on AJ. The "doesn't feel like RVS" was asked already.

The only things that weren't repeats reveal a focus on being on the outside. Don't see how 46 is a joke at all, but Anen's concern highlights he feels like an outsider. the response to 50 seems like buddying and egging EE on.

VOTE: Anen

~Titus

Good vote. I also thought something seemed off about Anen's tone. And as stupid as RVS is, Anen's RVS on me did seem kinda forced and safe as well.

Sorry. How I see it, town should be acting town to others along with scumhunting. Do you think that town should actively point out the town things that they are doing to accomplish this goal?

This question seems obvious. What answer were you hoping to get from that?

Eagle-

1) For clarification, are you actively claiming to be purposely withholding a vote in order to gauge reactions from people that notice it?
2) In response to your question, I post what I think I can bring to the table. If something has already been said, no need to say it again.

1. Yes.
2. Perhaps. But theory is not necessarily a wonderful thing to bring to the table, especially in RVS. At least, not in my opinion, but that is theory, so I'll stop there.

But now it's time for this:

VOTE: errantparabola

I didn't like the tunneling. But I especially didn't like the way he backed off at the end.

@Passionate Storm: who is green? Who is grey?

I don't think errant was tunneling or backing off. He interacted with Titus and continued to call BS on your purposeful lack of a vote. Justify this.

I think we'll keep that quiet. One of us at least would like to post anonymously without meta baggage at some point.

I don't get the errant vote.

~Titus

Makes sense.

It's a weak read. But he kept asking silly questions on the lack of vote while implying that a vote gets more reactions, even after my lack of vote has gotten far more responses from multiple people and I think the responses are more genuine because I believe the intentional lack of vote is not expected. So blatantly ignoring facts to pursue a read and tunnel through certain other interesting things going on around him such as the aneninen accusation or the Gwen response, or even you, which he eventually pursued but backed off to state something reasonable and kind of defend you in a strange way. On top of this, he backs off slightly to clarify, and then responds unreasonably when I call him out on it. In my experience, town is far more unreasonable than scum- they're lives are slightly more expendable and they have less to work with, so they in a way have to be somewhat unreasonable to force frantic scum to try to reason with them or get in an argument with another town, and thus gain a read.

Okay...if town is unreasonable then why is errant scum for being unreasonable? I also still don't see where he backed off.

I'd like to add to this and state that I believe there IS another type of town that would prefer to sit back and watch, I.e. myself, as well as other players in this game, I believe, but even these players can be forced to scrambling in the dirt with everyone else should no one else create enough content.

I understand. I really do. But I'd like to point out that it's very possible that this is scum here justifying a lack of scumhunting in the future. Setting the stage to defend against future attacks, if you will.

I was liking errant up until this. It's apologetic for no reason.

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

Why a FoS and not a vote?

@EE
This might just be me being dense but could you quote exactly where errant backed off on pushing you? I don't see it.

VOTE: passionate storm

literally only good things can come from wagoning this

Why?

VOTE: Aneninen

I agree with Titus that he looks scummy,

but you can do her either.

What does the bolded mean?

Intuition says she's scum.

Oh, Nenny, deary, such flattery is unnecessary when speaking to me.

Please, just say, "instinct says she's scum".

Actually, AJ is RVS, Aneninen is serious vote.

Deary, what you say here does not match what you said earlier.

VOTE: Passionate Storm.

Errant

may

also be sour, however, I am not sure of this.

...Actually, while Passionate Storm is a sourread of mine, I think that I'd rather do this:
VOTE: Klingoncelt.
While I am scumreading them, regardless of their alignment, I think Celty is sour for this:

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

There is no reason for an FoS, least of all when you have yet to cast a vote, at this stage in the game.

Like this post here by AJ. Klingon should be swinging here.

~Titus

You like that post? I'd like you to address AJ's scumread on you and accusation that your RVS vote and serious vote aren't what you said they were.

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does. I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

His other content is meh.

This seems like a bs vote. Why would scum want to get involved in everything?

Nothing in 142 actually matters that much... Eagle is probably town. I see where you got the whole non-voting shit from now.

I take that back. I don't think Eagle is town. More like null. UNVOTE:
Give me some time to think

I'm gonna need you to explain your thought process here.

OK Eagle, I see the post you think errant is backing off in now...I disagree.

Now you think the gambit failed...so what's your read on errant?

I could see myself voting a number of people atm, but I'll slap a vote down here for now and see what it does.

VOTE: Garmr

P-edit:

Yeah this was the right vote.

[Elyse]

And yes i'm saying eagle has contributed shit all despite his numerous post.

His post show no sign of hunting or trying to figure out the game.

He takes around about way of defending himself as well drawing away from the reason people vote him instead of addressing it.

Now that you mention it, that is true.
@EE
I want some reads from you.

I liked AJ's post regarding Klingoncelt. It's exactly how you and I read it. Jeanne RVSed AJ. Not sure where se's talking about it not matching what I said earlier but it's probably hydra confusion or buying crap Gwen is spewing. Overall everything else she said was good.

I think Garmr is town. Eagle is being quite aggressive for wanting to observe, even commenting on how others should reply. I can tell you I like to be involved with everything as scum. You can't control what you aren't a part of (usually).

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

Okay. It pinged me a little when you liked a post that called you scum and didn't address that part of it.

I do agree that Eagle is being aggressive for wanting to observe and I think errant touched on this earlier. However, I don't think that scum want to be involved in everything. It opens you up to scrutiny and slip-ups and stuff. Spifflop said he's more willing to engage here than he was in a game where he was scum, which also backs up what I'm thinking. This is more theory though.

[Elyse]

What are your reads

[Elyse]

@Garmr
I want to see EE's reads list. Then I'll consider joining you. It seems like he has reads but hasn't shared them.

@PS
I like your reads. I don't agree with the Garmr read, but since you agree with the reasoning behind the EE vote I see where your read comes from. His initial posts were off to me and I didn't like his reason for the EE vote. It is more justified now, but the aggression to EE initially for insinuating he didn't read his posts seemed forced.

I do like that he's reaching out to me rather than going up against me, which is what I expect scum Garmr to do.

Your other reads are all spot on. Errant is probably more weak town for me though.

[Elyse]

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

I'm assuming this is Spiffeh. Have I played with you before? I don't know what you're remembering me from.

I like Titus' 183 a lot. Lots of good, original stuff in there. Also liking what I see from iteplop so far.

[Elyse]

Also @spifflop

Was your vote on Spider Gwen RVS?

[Elyse]

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

Ok what changed from this post

[Elyse]

Ohh ok yeah it looked like you went from townreading to scumreading me so I assumed it was a different hydra head.

[Elyse]

@Spider Gwen
Someone who changes their vote three times on page 1 seems nervous and jittery to me and considering your join date I thought maybe you could be newbscum. But I don't think that anymore.

@errant
What is your problem with iteplop's 203? Garmr did a similar thing right before him.

I don't like Anen's 233. There are a bunch of random comments that don't go anywhere, followed by an easy vote on Kling.

Green is here.

- green

P.S: Dog will pee on you.

We all know green is Jeanne.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aneninen

This doesn't feel like town Anen. It's all random, meaningless observations with no follow-up.

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

What do you think it means?

[Elyse]

As soon as you explain how thats not just a giant waste of time, sure.

Who dis

@EE

Aside from that entire post being annoying as fuck, your scumread on me makes no sense. My vote on Garmr was justified completely and my "case" on you was a mish mash of observations and questions I had. I didn't build an argument against you piece by piece like you said. I think you're trying to say that I'm white knighting you, which isn't the case since I'm not townreading you. Your analysis is very superficial and doesn't look at motivations behind actions.

I also disagree with, like, all of your reads except errant.

[Elyse]

And suddenly I feel paranoid about voting Anen

[Elyse]

@TheWayItEnds
Nvm. I thought you were a hydra slip post or something considering I didn't remember you posting earlier and you responded to something as if you've been here the whole time. What are your thoughts so far?

Aside from that entire post being annoying as fuck, your scumread on me makes no sense. My vote on Garmr was justified completely

How so? Please quote where.

Here:

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does. I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

His other content is meh.

This seems like a bs vote. Why would scum want to get involved in everything?

@Garmr
I want to see EE's reads list. Then I'll consider joining you. It seems like he has reads but hasn't shared them.

@PS
I like your reads. I don't agree with the Garmr read, but since you agree with the reasoning behind the EE vote I see where your read comes from. His initial posts were off to me and I didn't like his reason for the EE vote. It is more justified now, but the aggression to EE initially for insinuating he didn't read his posts seemed forced.

I do like that he's reaching out to me rather than going up against me, which is what I expect scum Garmr to do.

Your other reads are all spot on. Errant is probably more weak town for me though.

and my "case" on you was a mish mash of observations and questions I had.

I see. So I wasn't scum in your eyes, yet, but you had lots to say, But on your scum read you're speechless?

No, you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting me. You said that I built a case on you piece by piece and then just voted for Garmr at the end without justifying it. What I'm saying is that any "case" you think I built was simply my catchup post regarding your actions. Yes, I scumread you, but you weren't at the top of my list.

I didn't build an argument against you piece by piece like you said. I think you're trying to say that I'm white knighting you, which isn't the case since I'm not townreading you. Your analysis is very superficial and doesn't look at motivations behind actions.

I don't know, white knighting is very much motivation. Also for someone who's really upset about a "superficial" read, voting aneninen for his "tone" is quite interesting.

White knighting is townreading someone under pressure as scum to look better when they flip. Do you think I'm doing that to you?

I also like how you don't deny your reads are superficial and instead try to attack me. I've already explained that Anen's post lack the intention of finding scum. They are a cluster of meaningless observations and questions with no follow-up. In other words, I am looking at the motivations of his posts.

I also disagree with, like, all of your reads except errant.

And suddenly I feel paranoid about voting Anen

You should. That would also make two reads you agree with me on. Quick question, if I'm scum, why do you find yourself agreeing with me more and more?

Feeling paranoid about voting someone does not mean I suddenly townread them, thank you very much. Whenever a lurker comes out of nowhere and joins a wagon I'm on with shit reasoning, it makes me think that maybe the wagon is on town and a scum lurker is taking advantage. I also won't answer that scummy bs loaded question.

Elyse I really look forward to you responding to me. I'm excited to see what all this not being here at all will warrant and the great in depth reads that look at the motivations behind the players that you post.

Fuck off.
VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

Idgaf if people call this OMGUS but his entire response to me reeked of cocky scum. The constant misreps, deflections, and false accusations ping hard and don't match up with his previous play.

[Elyse]

@errant
I've played with Anen before. Amidst all the pigeon weirdness he usually has some decent observations and votes. I'm seeing a difference in this game. I also dislike his willingness to provide self-meta of when he got lynched for similar reasons. He's aware of his own meta and could imitate it as scum and be all "look I acted this way when I was town see"

[Elyse]

1. Well the first quote was before I voted him and the second was in reference to things that happened before I voted him so I don't know what your problem is.
2. I was scumreading you but you weren't my top scumread, yes. I never said you should ignore a vote without justification, but I did justify mine.
3. I said white knighting because I thought that's what you were referencing. Otherwise I have no idea what you were trying to say.
4. Seriously...? I just said that his observations don't lead anywhere and he doesn't follow up his questions. He's not motivated to find scum.
5. Ok?
6. This was your question:
"Quick question, if I'm scum, why do you find yourself agreeing with me more and more?"
This is A) loaded B) scummy because it serves no purpose C) bullshit because I'm not agreeing with you
7. You misrepped me when you said I built up a case on you and voted someone without justification.
You deflected my point about your reads being superficial by accusing me of the same thing even when I proved you wrong.
You falsely accused me of "not being here at all" and townreading Aneninen.

I'm not frustrated. I am angry because you're annoying as fuck to deal with though.

[Elyse]

Also being cocky != being scum my. Why would it? Town people are cocky when they think they've caught scum. Pls explain scum motivation behind being cocky.

Meh that's true. Me knowing I'm town and that you're wrong makes me a little biased I guess into you being cocky scum. The bottom line is that your attitude changed. It's either due to cocky scum or misguided town and your posts make me think the former.

[Elyse]

@Spider Gwen
Your votes aren't jittery. I thought they might be at first but they're not.

I don't think your slip on EE is a slip, but why do "wish you were wrong here"? If I were you I'd be ecstatic that I caught scum and push him with huge capital letters.

It reeks of "my buddy slipped and I should call him out on it for towncred before someone else does" except now you're hesitant because people aren't reacting to it. Giving him a chance to explain furthers this theory. Scumslips aren't explainable. You slip or you don't.

[Elyse]

No I don't think it was a slip.

Okay...that's just weird for me. I've never met someone who is upset about finding a possible slip, regardless of their opinion of the player.

[Elyse]

elyse, join us on the fruit train

I am slightly scumreading grapes for no follow-up like Aneninen

I'm interested to see grapes' response to the pressure though.

@Elyse: And exactly how do you think scum push a slip accusation?

What do you mean? How would scum push a slip against their own team member?

Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

I don't like this explanation either. I don't get how the first sentence is even a bad thing. And it's a huge jump to base a meta argument off of what looks to me like RVS trolling. Especially when it's as basic as "X didn't do this in a previous town game therefore scum".

Alchemist, grapes, and Klingon would all be good wagons.

~Spiffy

I agree with this. Townreading Spifflop.

[Elyse]

@AJ
Why are you townreading Alchemist? I've found his few posts scummy.

And yeah Kling deserves votes but parking a vote on him now is fruitless since he hasn't posted since his FoS.

[Elyse]

Is anyone's browser doing this weird thing where it takes forever to submit a post?

[Elyse]

Elyse, how do you feel about spidergwen? How do you feel about lynching her today?

I'm scumreading her but not interested in lynching her today.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Elyse]

kling is scum, like pretty damn obviously?

I invite you to join the

karma

Kling wagon.

We have hats and lights.

P-edit: pls

[Elyse]

@Kling
Yeah the FoS was scummy but considering I can summarize your ISO with the word "nothing" and your refusal to give a read of any sort, you deserve to hang.

[Elyse]

I think nothing of both of them.

Also ditto to what Titus said about giving Kling more time.

[Elyse]

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

[Elyse]

@Elyse @Titus Back off of me, both of you. Seriously, I didn't say I would ask for the time. I didn't say I wanted to give her more time. You have your meta reads and stuff. Fine. Let me read her for myself. I wanted her answer and I was hoping to get it without it being polluted by anyone. I'm building a freaking theory here, I'm trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together and you're getting in the way. Did I ask you? No. So back off for a second and let the girl answer. I have to go into work somewhat early tomorrow, so I'm working on putting tomorrow morning's reads out tonight, but that's not going to happen if you mess with my answers. I promise you can yell about how I'm scum all you want AFTER I get my answer.

[Elyse]

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

Why? That one is rarely having a presence D1.

I thought I remember him being a presence D1 of the last game.

@Garmr
Your points are good. I would join you on EE but it doesn't seem to have enough support today because yeah people think he's town and it's annoying. Literally interactions with him go like this:

You: *brings up valid point*
EE: *doesn't address it*
You: *restates point in a different way or asks him to address it directly*
EE: "READ THE THREAD YOU'RE A VI MY THEORYYYYYY!"

But there's a warm spot for you on the Kling wagon which also has a very good chance of flipping scum if you want it.

[Elyse]

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

Why? That one is rarely having a presence D1.

I thought I remember him being a presence D1 of the last game.

@Garmr
Your points are good. I would join you on EE but it doesn't seem to have enough support today because yeah people think he's town and it's annoying. Literally interactions with him go like this:

You: *brings up valid point*
EE: *doesn't address it*
You: *restates point in a different way or asks him to address it directly*
EE: "READ THE THREAD YOU'RE A VI MY THEORYYYYYY!"

But there's a warm spot for you on the Kling wagon which also has a very good chance of flipping scum if you want it.

I'm surprised you'd be the one to say that. Also not really keen for a kling wagon it has no substance. She's null to me.

Why are you surprised I'd say that?

[Elyse]

Meh my scumread dissipated with your continued posts. I'm not really townreading you but I'm not interested in lynching you today. My concerns about your tone were eased by dealing with EE myself and your points have been good.

[Elyse]

I was talking to Garmr

[Elyse]

I was talking to Garmr

Okay.
Do you want to be Clotilde?

What the fuck is clotilde

Okay, I trust you. So, are you saying that Elyse shouldn't be Clotild?

No. Of course not.
I feel the good in you. You will take me.
I can't go on alone.

What is going on with you? Why aren't you posting anything relevant to the game? Are you scumreading Shiro?

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone all of a sudden.

[Elyse]

What is going on with you? Why aren't you posting anything relevant to the game? Are you scumreading Shiro?

Take a guess. I'm sure someone will nudge you when you get it right.
What are you doing? Do you really want to take me on right now? I don't recommend it.

Also, Yes.

I need help. Please enlighten me.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

Ily

[Elyse]

I'm fine with either. I'm confident both are scum but didn't think there was support for eagle today. I also thought my walls with eagle were being largely ignored and unproductive so I shifted focus.

But I'll go balls to the wall for an eagle lynch if I know enough people would get on board.

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

[Elyse]

I am feeling pretty cold about the Eagle wagon, he actually feels like the easy mislynch today for me. His posts have a noob quality to them, but I think at least for right now it is more noob town. I think that he thinks that the gambit was much more risky than it actually was, and so it was towny cause of that. Elyse's last post reads soo scummy to me... If you think he is scum you should go balls to the wall automatically, not just if other people are okay with that lynch. Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

I knew I'd probably get heat for that but idc. EE is so draining to deal with that I really don't feel like pushing for his lynch unless I think he can actually be hanged today.

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingoncelt
Wow those past few posts have been terrible. Scum don't read? Come on. As much as I want to lynch EE I think Kling is even scummier.

I think Alchemist is scummy. His few posts have sounded off and his interactions re Aneninen are weird as hell. I don't know why he would point out that he was a possible alignment changer role and then unvote him. Masonizer isn't alignment changing, cult is.

[Elyse]

I feel that

[Elyse]

I'd like to point out that you said I'm frustrated and cocky but also said I don't react much and don't post anything eye catching.

That post did seem very town though because of the genuine emotion of it all. Ugh. :/

Still, your logic is terrible, your case on me flawed and ever changing to fit your narrative of Elyse-scum even when it doesn't work

[Elyse]

Yeah like I said you're not worth responding to it's like talking to a brick wall

[Elyse]

@TSO i'm voting Gwen bc she is scummy and ignoring my questions.

What are your thoughts on the current major wagons?

You're hiding behind your spider Gwen vote.

[Elyse]

I don't know what that means

[Elyse]

My question wasn't an attempt to get votes off of Spider Gwen...I'm scumreading her myself. If you look at randomiget's ISO, it's basically empty. He's using his vote on Spider Gwen to coast through the game and not commenting on anything else. I don't have a problem with his vote, but the fact that he's using it as a shield.

[Elyse]

I'm also slightly concerned how you openly state you refuse to interact with your scumreads. Just because you're confident that someeone is scum doesn't mean the rest of us are. So interacting would be a help.

Ok, I'm certain Elyse is scum. In my opinion interacting with her at this point in time will determine me from the task of making sure she is lynched, and I highly doubt that she will say anything that will make me reconsider. The things she could be doing to make me reconsider are all things she would be less likely to do while we're arguing over it.

p-edit looked quickly at your recent post and it looks like some of my questions might be answered there. Will respond to that, but for now Eagle, you ain't lookin' too bad. I think I might want to try and reevaluate you because I see you coming up with some decent content.
I see me in the future being less confident with any possible scummy thing you might do actually coming from a scum slot because I've convinced myself otherwise twice now, and I'm getting closer to thinking it might be something akin to playstyle

UNVOTE:

Thanks, I tried, haha. What can I say, I like to live on edge.

@Extrapolated Eagle, I like the effort your putting into this, but I can gurantee you will get burned out pretty quickly at this if you try to keep that amount for whole game. The game speed for this is much different than a blitz. Its more casual game.

I like you man, don't get burned out.

-Fire

gj on proving this wrong eagle lol

Not completely, I had to drop the role play stuff (it was annoying people anyways) and I wasn't even really able to finish my "reasons Elyse is scum" all the way this morning because I was doubting people would actually read all of it and I was so discouraged. But thanks anyways, I'm still going pretty strong And tomorrow maybe I'll finish a whole reads list (there are just so many people, lol)

You are doing great. I'm still in the enthusiastic noob phase and I am much more reserved than you. One suggestion in general is try to work towards tighter arguments, they are easier to read and are much more convincing, but that takes time.

I see your gut read about klingon, but at Elyse has given her reads. Kling has done nothing,

and most of your read seems to be empathy based instead of looking at motives, which is dangerous

.

So in other words, what you and errant are doing with Eagle?

I get that you guys don't want to discourage the tryhard newb and I'd probably be right along with you if he didn't irritate me so much. However, that doesn't mean his arguments are correct.

[Elyse]

The difference is that Eagle is clearly town and Klingon isn't. Eagle is posting stuff, some of it is wrong, but as someone who does this the brain throw up on the thread is easy to read. Eagle is actually pretty high on my town list right now. Kling on the other hand still hasn't done anything that I know of that I can town read, but a lot that I can scum read. I feel like Eagle's read on Klingon is sympathy instead of analysis. I personally have no problem picking on people new to the site if I am trying to get a certain reaction, but with Eagle I have already gotten that reaction so there is no need.

Pedit: Okay, Elyse can go over your opinions on the controversial figures (grape, Kling, EE, Titus). The problem with kling is that she still hasn't responded to our accusations 300 posts ago. I originally voted to get a response, and when she talked about tangential stuff instead of about our questions my vote became a real read.

Pedit 2:um 273, all 3 of us agreed that your arguments were incorrect there.

Yeah I know your read on him isn't because he's new. I was talking more about the validity of his arguments. Sorry I wasn't clear.

[Elyse]

You just misrepped everything I said. This is why I don't respond to you.

[Elyse]

I've literally been ignoring you for pages now. I'm not interrupting anything.

[Elyse]

What a weird post.

Are you posting in character/flavor, or do you have a tragic role?

Would you please stop?
You're fishing. You're not helping.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

No. I'm not fishing. You're posting weird.

Why do the weird posting, then accuse someone of rolefishing when they notice it?

A Jedi you are not.

You are fishing. I also called attention to Varsoon's strange posting, but I didn't flat out ask if he had a tragic role or was flavor posting like you did.

P-edit: Ahhh. The long awaited half reads list full of blanket statements and a grand total of FOUR stances, two of which are only leans.

[Elyse]

P-edit: Ahhh. The long awaited half reads list full of blanket statements and a grand total of FOUR stances, two of which are only leans.

Some reads are leans. Since when has that been a cardinal sin?

I'm about to start on the next leg of reads, going through Eagle's walls will be a fukkin' nightmare.

Pity me.

You took the least important part of that post and made it your focus. What about blanket statements and four stances? I'm not criticizing you for having leans, but that HALF of your FOUR reads are leans, meaning you have two hard stances. It's scummy as hell.

[Elyse]

Starting to scumread itlepip. Seems a bit dodgy. Might switch votes if spidey returns and interacts with me.

This is scum.

I've specifically asked your thoughts on the current wagons and situations and you ignore them. Instead, you basically giver Spider Gwen instructions on how to get you to remove your vote on her and threaten to switch it to itlepip, who isn't an option for today. You continue to hide behind your reads and refuse to give opinions about the current gamestate, which will allow you to tag along to whatever wagon you want as deadline approaches.

[Elyse]

Sounds good

[Elyse]

Hang in there. You can skip Eagle's posts. That should help a lot.

[Elyse]

Sorry for your loss hiplop

[Elyse]

I haven't read anything but I see spifflop votes and when I come back tonight those shitty votes better get off Spiff and on Kling. Spiff is the towniest town that ever towned.

[Elyse]

@TSO
I think you asked me about my thoughts on Alchemist. I think he's scummy. His vote on Aneninen out of nowhere pinged me and him calling him out as an alignment changer still bothers me. His latest posts have been fine. He's not high on my priority list but I'm scumreading him.

itlepip covered my issues with randomidget's reads list well.

I haven't read anything but I see spifflop votes and when I come back tonight those shitty votes better get off Spiff and on Kling. Spiff is the towniest town that ever towned.

Too good to pass up.

Vote: Spifflop

Why would you vote for spifflop instead of Elyse here?

Because he's trolling and I said not to vote Spiff.

What's your problem with me? I remember you calling one of my posts scummy but I was surprised when you said you agreed with randomidget's scumread on me because of fencesitting blehness. I have not fencesat at all so I don't know what you're talking about. Enlighten me. Edit: And later say you would compromise on my lynch!!! Whaaa?

Also could you not use bright orange when responding to posts in quotes? It sucks to read.

I'd like to note that I don't think random has too many scumreads. His reads just suck.

@Jaqen
Kling has not scumhunted whatsoever and shows no scumhunting initiative. That goes beyond having a shitty day 1.

Also

Give me 1 single post where klingon actually does something to move town forward. She hasn't pushed anyone at all this game, nor has she defended herself. How is not defending yourself town if you aren't going to scumhunt? The whole point of voting is because the reactions people give when pressured can be used to form reads.

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepip

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

What the fuck is this vote? Yes you have been defending yourself - I'll give you that - but even you agree that you haven't been scumhunting!

itlepip isn't on the table today. What are your thoughts on the spiff case? Besides that he's null. You must have some opinion on it. Is Jaqen full of shit or does the case have merit? I don't give a fuck about the question you asked AJ ten pages ago. You're using that to avoid scumhunting.

@TSO i'm voting Gwen bc she is scummy and ignoring my questions.

What are your thoughts on the current major wagons?

You're hiding behind your spider Gwen vote.

A man is wondering why a lady is deflecting from a wagon that many and more believe could be scum?

There's no way Jaquen misunderstood what Elyse was saying.

Elyse is saying to get off you and onto another major wagon. Which is exactly what a man is questioning her for.

We've been over this.

@TSO i'm voting Gwen bc she is scummy and ignoring my questions.

What are your thoughts on the current major wagons?

This is a direction in which she is proposing rm goes.

You're hiding behind your spider Gwen vote.

This is a taunt admoshing a vote.

This is how a man is reading this.

I know what I meant, not you. Spider Gwen clearly understood me. You're wrong.

As town, she's much more inquisitive than here.

These guys aren't noobs, Titus. Most of them have played with me before. They know how I play. They know I'm a Day 3 player.

HOW IS THIS NOT LYNCHED ALREADY???

[Elyse]

Eagle

[Elyse]

Alchemist, Spider Gwen, one of the lurkers

[Elyse]

Yeah well I'm going to bed. Good night yall

[Elyse]

I can't sleep :/

But a big YAS to everything Spiff is saying like holy shit it's frustrating how people are degrading the Klingon case to the FoS in RVS. Like have you SEEN any of her posts?

[Elyse]

@itlepip
Pls read my last post

@EE
Jeanne is incompetent. Don't hold your breath. I also don't understand how I haven't been "getting dirty" - I've pushed Kling and was the first to call out randomidget. I've called Jaqen's case bullshit and dismantled your case before it got so full of misreps that no one was taking it seriously and I didn't bother trying. You literally make things up to fit your narrative.

@Jaqen
As someone who is "cleared" from a Spiff scumflip, how do you feel that I am against it?

[Elyse]

I'm not trying to be a big meanie and personally insult people, but Jeanne is the only player I've ever had to blacklist for a reason. That's all I'll say on the matter.

[Elyse]

Kling has not scumhunted whatsoever and shows no scumhunting initiative. That goes beyond having a shitty day 1.

You're lying.

Do you think no one can check my ISO?

No

[Elyse]

That no was in response to EE.

Under that quote was supposed to be "You admitted you haven't scumhunted."

[Elyse]

Kling didn't say any of that so I'm not sure what you're talking about or why Kling quoted that earlier.

[Elyse]

Is the "she" that is twisting your words Spider Gwen or me?

[Elyse]

1436
I would swap tso and inte/twie for spider Gwen and passionate storm but apart from that I agree.

So Titus manages to be on the scum team twice XD

Meant elyse
Also you are null for me, you are possibly part but not particularly sold on it.

That's bullshit

[Elyse]

@itlepip
Stop ignoring meeeeeee

P-edit:
So now I'm on the bottom of the scummy list? Interesting.

I don't get why itlepip is in the lurker group either or why twie and Inte aren't. How did you make those distinctions?

[Elyse]

@itlepip
No I'm referring to the posts where I addressed you about your scumread on me. I'm on my phone so I can't quote it but it's not far back in my ISO.

@Shiro
Remind me again why you don't want to vote Kling.

Eagle's hop was very dirty but doesn't affect my opinion of Kling. He's either town realizing he's wrong and doesn't know what to do or scum hesitant to bus. Either way Kling is still scum.

[Elyse]

@itlepip
1122 is what I'm talking about

[Elyse]

I'm up for wagoning you. That was clearly, CLEARLY not a catchup post.

[Elyse]

Seriously, Kling does like a billion scummy things and then random goes "I'm up for wagoning AJ cause she focused on Kling in her catchup" when A) that's not an issue B) Kling specifically asked AJ a question C) AJ said that it wasn't a full catchup post

[Elyse]

Speaking of which, add grapes to the lurker list. He slipped my mind.

Randomidget?

[Elyse]

Speaking of which, add grapes to the lurker list. He slipped my mind.

Randomidget?

Not lurking. Ive been posting fairly consistently and haven't been trying to avoid interaction.

This is admittedly true. You can't really accuse him of being a lurker, but you

can

accuse him of so many more things.

Speaking of which, add grapes to the lurker list. He slipped my mind.

Randomidget?

Not lurking. Ive been posting fairly consistently and haven't been trying to avoid interaction.

"Fairly" consistently and you haven't responded to anything I've said to you recently so yes I would say you are avoiding interaction.

[Elyse]

@Fresh
He didn't respond to my latest post when I called him out on his shitty vote

[Elyse]

@TSO
I expected some justification for the vote or acknowledgement. Idk if someone said that to me I'd be angry and show them why they're wrong. Random just seems to be coasting by and shitty votes that he knows are shitty and doesn't care.

Interesting that Eagle jumps back on me after someone else votes there. He called me scum for something similar earlier in the game. I also thought he wasn't scumreading me that much anymore. Oh well guess he changed his reads completely again.

[Elyse]

And casting*

[Elyse]

Random is Kling 2.0

[Elyse]

You say that but you refuse to vote her

[Elyse]

Retweet

[Elyse]

Also not feeling very content to play mafia after mini 1741 that game ggrrr still grinds my gears.

Yeah lol that really sucked

[Elyse]

Ayyy

VOTE: Dapper Stranger

EE's "let's get this over with" reeks of frustration with this being another scumlynch. If Dapper is scum then EE eats rope.

[Elyse]

For me the damning thing is Dapper's reaction to Spider Gwen and Titus' fake cop thing.

For him to immediately jump to the conclusion that SG is either a cop who checked Titus or lying scum is extremely narrow minded and something I would expect from scum.

In the first YCBA when I was scum, someone claimed Hated and I said they were probably town because why would there be scum hated? Someone called me out on why I automatically believed the hated claim itself when they could be lying.

It's a similar thing here. Dapper jumps to a conclusion that seems more likely to come from scum.

[Elyse]

@TSO
I mostly concur with your reads list except I'm reading randomidget as scum and I don't get the null town on My Other Head is Scum since they're probably the scummiest lurker IMO.

The Inte/TWIE point is a good one but I'm not really interested in looking at it soon. I'm hoping that will sort itself out.

Interesting to me how Dapper is turning on Eagle...probably a last ditch effort to make him look good before he flips or something.

[Elyse]

Merry Christmas etc.!
Also Shiro vs. alch is probably opposite alignments.

This is a scum post.

"This is town v scum but I'm not sure which is which so we better lynch both!"

[Elyse]

If we're purging lurkers my moneys on the mohis/i am innocent/inte/randomidget crowd

What does that mean?

So you think all of the above could be scum? Why exclude TWIE and PerV?

@TSO
I'd reallllly like your reasons for randomidget town because everything he does screams scum to me. I'll hear you out because I could be conf biasing but I just don't see why he's town.

[Elyse]

I'm shocked that Dapper was town. I really thought the whole cop thing with Titus and SG was basically a scumslip.

VOTE: Alchemist

I don't think Alchemist was targeted for a kill since grapes seems like a vig kill, so SG had to hide behind scum. Her last post makes it seem like she hid behind Alchemist. An Alchemist scumflip will put Shiro firmly in my townpile with TSO and Titus. Outside of that though, I'm having trouble townreading people. I think Varsoon is probably town and am confused as hell with Aneninen. I still think randomidget is scum and Garmr is leaning town with Aunt Jemina. Randomidget's fixation on Spider Gwen and avoidance of the Kling wagon until the end looks even worse now. Garmr has consistently shown new reasons to read people, like in 2290 and 2341 and I've liked his posts a lot. Aunt Jemina's hardbus on Kling gives her lots of townpoints. Of the lurkers, I think MOHIS is scummiest and TWIE seems the most town. In a recently finished game with Fire, he didn't really do anything to try to find scum and he was scum there. I'm seeing similar behavior here. TWIE seems very brash and doesn't give a fuck and that always makes me think someone is town. No fucking idea about PerV, IAI, and inte. Errant is someone who I always think of as probtown when I read his posts, but he could be easily slipping under the radar. He seems to be going with the flow and I expect him to have more pushes and weight in the discussion. EE is a tough one because Dapper town gets rid of my strongest reason for scumreading him. I don't want to lynch him today.

That's where I'm at right now.

[Elyse]

Hardbus? Why would AJ's vote be a hard bus if she's town?

I agree with the rest of that. EE being an asshole because we lynched a game thrower is no excuse. If town, he should let me have it post game about how bad that lynch sucked. He's basically saying y'all are morons, let me sheep your wagon and ignore you. That doesn't make coherent sense from any poV.

I meant to say that her vote would have been a hardbus if she was scum. She jumped on Kling's first post and never got off.

Yeah EE is annoying as hell and super dramatic, but that's not alignment indicative. Like I said, he seemed defeated when the Jaqen wagon was going through and I was so confident we nailed two scum there. Now it's just is he being an scummy asshat or a townie asshat. His actions regarding Kling still make me lean to the former. He also could have been white knighting Jaqen because now he thinks he has clout over everyone else.

[Elyse]

Random's speculation is giving me doubt about Alchemist. It seems like he knows something didn't go right wrt the NKs and is trying to figure it out/get someone to say something. I'm racking my brain trying to figure out if there's some way SG didn't hide behind Alch. Due to flavor, grapes was most likely a vig kill and SG was the scum kill. This means that scum killed whoever she hid behind, but that person didn't die or she hid behind scum. Why would they kill Alchemist? It makes no sense. Even if they found the crumb, how did Alch not die? I guess we'll have to see his claim. So him being scum is definitely the most viable option.

Still, random's vote on PS is terribad and I don't understand how he could possibly think she is scum, from any PoV. If he is scum, maybe he knows that he targeted SG and she still died, hence the "maybe SG no-actioned?" Or maybe he's SK and shot Alchemist and doesn't know why he survived? Or he's scum and knows Alch isn't and is WKing him?

Idk I can't really think of a scenario where Alch

isn't

scum, but random is seriously breaking my scumdar and making me question it.

[Elyse]

Read the game.

*war flashbacks to badass females micro*

But it seems like SG hid behind Alch and she was a hider and died last night.

[Elyse]

Waiting for a claim would have been nice

[Elyse]

Yeah I also would have liked to hear errant speak, though I don't understand eagle's attitude. We lynched scum day 1 and just lynched near confscum. We're in good shape. Well, town is at least.

[Elyse]

Why

[Elyse]

What is even the point of saying that if he's going to flip soon? To make yourself look better?

I'm coming for you

[Elyse]

Seriously, if Alch is town I am getting many many shots of vodka.

You game Elyse?

@Alch, SG's last post D1.

If Alch is town yes I will chug vodka. I don't see how it's possible with the SG crumb.

P-edit: what does you surviving have to do with calling the alignment of the lynchee in twilight?

[Elyse]

Yeah I highly doubt that. Plus it wouldn't be worth it to give up two NKs for one unless a scum lynch was certain.

[Elyse]

Pass the vodka over :/
I looked at SG's ISO again to see if there was possibly some other crumb and this is the only thing I found.

Interesting sync between Stormy and TWIE. Definitely will need to check that out at some point.

P-edit: Stop fishing.

I don't really think it means anything though. I still don't understand what happened there.

IAI and random were the two who seemed to know Alch was town so I think starting there would be good. I also have to revist Shiro because she looks pretty bad with an Alch townflip. I don't think random and Shiro are a team though, considering random's random (lol) focus on Shiro yesterday.

No idea why Titus and TSO are still alive, especially cause Titus is conftown, but if I'm wrong on them then gg. I don't feel like going down that road right now.

[Elyse]

That doesn't make sense to me. Why would scum do all of that, which is based on a bunch of assumptions, just to frame Alch who didn't look good anyway? Something isn't right here.

Also @considering voting me because Jeanne said so on day 1 when you've been townreading me all game.

The amount of lurkers I barely have a read on is unnerving.

[Elyse]

@PS
Why Shiro town? I was there for it but then when you look back she was pushing on town through the Kling lynch and compromised on Jaqen who was also town.

For the most part I like errant's reads but there are a lack of hard stances. I also think a MOHIS vote is pretty random coming from that list.

[Elyse]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

I'm trusting everyone else who says random is town for now. I might be confbiasing because I don't understand town reads on him but don't feel like pushing him cause I saw something that dissuades me from having a scumread on him. I really think something weird went down with the hider and IAI was odd with Alch so I'm starting here.

[Elyse]

Why

[Elyse]

You're forgiven, Eagle. I know it's easy to become emotional in the heat of the moment in a game. It happens to me a lot.

I'm slowly seeing EP scum as well. He's on V/LA right now so pushing isn't going to be very useful until he gets back. He's been much more active in other games than this one. There have been several times where I've seen "errantparabola" as the latest post in Theme Park and I click and it's to another game. :/ I'm willing to work with you on him when he gets back.

I really don't think TSO is scum, because he genuinely seems to be losing confidence/reevaluating. If he was scum I think he'd be confident and all "it's okay let's lynch x they HAVE to be scum!" Could he be? I'm not ruling it out, but I don't want to lynch him over any of the lurkers at the very least.

I want TWIE to explain his hard townread on MOHIS. If we could eliminate a few lurkers from the pool that would be really helpful.

I'm going to put Aneninen in the townpile. After a lot of thinking I just don't think he would have put himself out there with the Clotilde thing as scum. Varsoon is someone who I'm not comfortable with because he's getting lots of townreads for nothing, but there's not anything scummy there either.

[Elyse]

@Stormy: A reread of Alch wouldn't hurt. I know I haven't gotten much from his play. You might be able to see things I can't.

this post says, and i quote

"I will be hiding behind alchemist tonight"

It could have been more clear IMO, but it's a start.

Vote: Alchemist

LOL

I'll be furious if Gwen -didn't- submit an action, but I feel that is incredibly unlikely, so I'm going to discount it as a possibility.

This is why I think random could be scum. He guessed that Gwen didn't submit an action before Alchemist even flipped. It seems like he had insider knowledge.

@TWIE

Explain your townreads on MOHIS and errant please and thank you. I'm willing to hear you out and cross them off my list but I need more than "they're town".

@Anen
There's something I saw in random's ISO that makes me doubt he's scum but it could be nothing. I felt like I was confbiasing with him earlier so I wanted to take a step back and listen to what other people have to say about him.

[Elyse]

Varsoon, explain your random scumread. I'm on the fence.

[Elyse]

That helps

[Elyse]

Yeah I was confused about that too I thought you wanted to lynch errant today.

[Elyse]

That's the kind of shit that makes me want to lynch random

[Elyse]

TSO's 3148 is pretty damning, IMO.

Can people explain townreads on Eagle? I've been going back and forth with him.

At this point, I've put PS, TSO, Aneninen, Garmr, Varsoon, and TWIE in my townpile.

[Elyse]

For me it goes back to his Clotilde gambit. It seems like something he wouldn't do as scum and it looked like an attempt to solve the game. Since then his posts haven't really wowed me but they aren't scummy either.

[Elyse]

I was talking about the Clotilde thing.

[Elyse]

Shiro's absence is making me question him as well

[Elyse]

Sorry just being paranoid Shiro it seemed like a longer time

[Elyse]

TSO said two days until scum kills the active town players, not until they win.

Also, eagle, if the lynch was between you and TSO I would vote for you.

[Elyse]

VOTE: randomidget

I'd rather go here I think.

[Elyse]

Random immediately jumping on TSO once there was an iota of support is so scummy.

[Elyse]

Eagle, part of the reason I don't want to lynch you is your TSO crusade. I don't think TSO is scum but I think you are pretty fearless for continuing to pursue it after TSO has shut you down. I'm not ruling out that you're scum, but I don't think I want to lynch you.

Random on the other hand only jumped on when he knew he had other people so he wouldn't stick out.

[Elyse]

@lurkers

Pick a wagon

[Elyse]

EE don't do that to Jason. Finding a replacement for this game will be a bitch.

[Elyse]

Fine. We aren't getting anywhere without this. I'm the doctor in both senses (I know it's the second Doctor Who role in the game but whatever), in particular the incarnation played by Peter Capaldi. I can't be bothered to check the number in my role PM. Didn't see that coming did you?

I was afraid of this. One comment random made that was like "let me figure this out hold on" kinda tipped me off but I didn't want to alert scum. That's the thing in his ISO I was referring to. He never followed up though so I figured maybe I was wrong.

Barring any CCs, who did you protect each night? It's possible we can confirm some people.

UNVOTE:

[Elyse]

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

It makes sense that there's one scum between him and random.

[Elyse]

Ep, Elyse, and ZZZX

Are you scumreading me now?

[Elyse]

Ep, Elyse, and ZZZX

Are you scumreading me now?

Yes.

I also suggest vigging one of the lurkers and not errant.

[Elyse]

[Elyse]

Why is there scum between me, TSO, and ep?

[Elyse]

You shouldn't feel bad. It's part of the game. I'm just wondering why you think there has to be scum in that group.

[Elyse]

Elyse, can you give me your reads?
I'm trying to sink my teeth back into this game but I'm having trouble as it's 140 pages that feels like a fever dream.

Passionate Storm - town
Garmr - town
I Am Innocent - scummy but getting better
ZZZX (replaces inte) - scum
PeregrineV - who the hell knows, probably town
TheWayItEnds - town
T S O - town
Shiro - scum if EE isn't
My Other Head Is Scum - scum
Extrapolated Eagle - scum
Aneninen - town
randomidget - town
Errantparabola - could be scum but probably not with EE
Elyse - town
Varsoon - town

My guess is that the team is {EE, ZZZX, MOHIS, IAI} or {Shiro, ZZZX, errant, MOHIS} with possibly IAI in the second team and possible PerV in either.

I would be very down for a ZZZX or MOHIS lynch because I think they are scum regardless, but an EE scumflip is the most helpful because in my mind it would clear errant and Shiro and TSO for those who have doubts about him.

[Elyse]

Ehhh I guess it's unlikely but I wouldn't rule it out completely.

[Elyse]

Passionate Storm - town
Garmr - town
I Am Innocent - scummy but getting better
ZZZX (replaces inte) - scum
PeregrineV - who the hell knows, probably town
TheWayItEnds - town
T S O - town
Shiro - scum if EE isn't
My Other Head Is Scum - scum
Extrapolated Eagle - scum
Aneninen - town
randomidget - town
Errantparabola - could be scum but probably not with EE
Elyse - town
Varsoon - town

im not sure but if at this stage you town read everynoe except lurkers you are being played. can you tell what is wrong with this read list?

Because even if i disgard the fact that I have confbais for being town this readlist is like what?

I'm not townreading everyone except lurkers. Try reading it again.

[Elyse]

@randomidget

You're nearly conftown what are your thoughts

[Elyse]

When did I flip on you

[Elyse]

When did I flip on you

I think you're town. Because your crusade on TSO (and also because your buddying me)

And then I think eagles scum (when I became viable lynch again)

That was before random claimed doc. I thought of the two you were town but then TSO's post absolutely roasting you pretty much swayed me.

[Elyse]

I was thinking TWIE was a cop. Glad I was right.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Game's basically on autopilot now assuming there's no GF or something.

[Elyse]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZZZX

Cool.

Yeah cop/hider/doc/vig seems a little suspicious but I think it'll work itself out should it come down to it.

[Elyse]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

@ZZZX
Why are you getting so hung up on my vote on you? You are admittedly a low content player who is most likely scum via PoE. Also why are you saying I would be scum with IAI? I was the one who voted for him yesterday and only unvoted because he claimed.

[Elyse]

How was my unvote to save IAI? He claimed a role that was verifiable and I didn't think he would lie about it since that's pretty stupid.

The rest is you saying that you did more work than me which is laughable. I'm not saying you should accept your lynch but you literally admitted that having a nullread on you is justifiable and with a bunch of supposed conftowns, it becomes a game of PoE and you fit.

[Elyse]

I don't fit because of my interactions win Kling and IAI so yes you're wrong

[Elyse]

I don't fit because of my interactions win Kling and IAI so yes you're wrong

This implies you know IAI is scum. Slip?

He was CC'd on the vig shots. Do you think he's town?

[Elyse]

Errant, who is conftown via investigation, CC'd his vig claim.

[Elyse]

My list is

T S O > Aneninen > PeregrineV > Garmr > ZZZX

[Elyse]

I think that TWIE's right - the scumteam wanted to immediately end the game by killing two people at night, saving the need for LyLo. That's one mystery solved.

Where did TWIE say this?

[Elyse]

No he's not.

I mean I think he's town but he's not confirmed.

[Elyse]

Then why did you say "pretty much"? A cop clear is pretty cut and dry.

[Elyse]

Vt

The reason I had Pere above ZZZX and Garmr was because of his alchemist vote after alchemist was lynched. But not knowing who the vig is just seems fake.

Not sure if he's at L-1 or L-2 and don't feel like checking so I'll hold off voting him until everyone claims.

[Elyse]

Lol oops I thought he had more on him.

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Elyse]

What

[Elyse]

If Peregrine flips scum, which I hope happens, I'll likely target Garmr tonight to check that out, and come back tomorrow with the game close to won.

TSO what does this mean

[Elyse]

Also the way I see it: there's probably three scum left.

We have one free mislynch and then it's most likely LyLo from then on out.

Out of the unconfirmed group (Elyse, T S O, Aneninen, ZZZX, Garmr, PeregrineV), I'm assuming there are three scum. If one of the cop clears is a GF or something that would suck hard but there's really no way to account for that.

So, in essence, we choose the two towniest of that group and lynch everyone else.

[Elyse]

You would lynch yourself over me or TSO?

[Elyse]

Damn all the large themes are gonna be in nighttime.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Garmr

That night was so long

[Elyse]

@Aneninen

You do realize we most likely have one mislynch left, right? Why would you be ok with using that on yourself? It just doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective. And what don't you like about my vote? I think Garmr is scummier than ZZZX because of PerV's vote on ZZZX. It could have been half-assed bussing or just WIFOM, but I think Garmr deserves rope just a tad more.

[Elyse]

if Elyse is scum she's done a freakily good job of mimicking my thought processes on every single event.

Lol same. I keep having a flicker of doubt that you're scum only because I don't think I've seen you make it to late game before. But then I think about it and I'm like "nah". I don't think the scumteam is playing particularly well. They're not playing poorly either. I just think a lot of random things went their way and they probably took advantage of the hider mess. (I'm SO dying to know what happened there...if Spider Gwen no actioned ) Should it come down to it, I will reread that to see who was stirring the pot there. But hopefully we'll lynch all the scums before that.

If you have nothing to say, you could at least vote Garmr.

Mhm.

[Elyse]

You do realize we most likely have one mislynch left, right?

Erm, no, I haven't.

So you're saying you haven't put any effort into solving the game? Hm.

Why would you be ok with using that on yourself? It just doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective.

If I'm scummy enough I should be the mislynch. It makes sense.
However, I think I've been in a kind of "social vacuum" for a couple of Days. That usually happens whenever at least one of my reads is deeply wrong. If so, which one?

Idk what you mean here.

And what don't you like about my vote?

Lacked content?

So why'd you call mine out and not TSO's? I justified my reason later so I get you saying that it has no content but neither did TSO's. It seems like you're trying to plant seeds of doubt.

I think Garmr is scummier than ZZZX because of PerV's vote on ZZZX. It could have been half-assed bussing or just WIFOM, but I think Garmr deserves rope just a tad more.

Bad logic.
Especially because ZZZX hasn't posted anything Today.

Why is this bad logic and what does it have to do with ZZZX not posting? I think ZZZX is scum too, but Garmr is scummier.

vague paranoia enters my head about garmr being scum and anen being a traitor, but it's w/e.

Erm, TSO, you assume there may be a traitor because...?
By the way, LOL! If I were Traitor the scums will have recruited me by now. Most probably at Night1/Night2. (Assuming targetting the Traitor means a recruit.)

Why would you think they would have recruited you by now?

I don't think the scumteam is playing particularly well. They're not playing poorly either. I just think a lot of random things went their way and they probably took advantage of the hider mess.

Dum-de-dum-de-dum...
I'm looking forward to reading the reactions for this.
By the way, when and why did Elyse land in the general town-pile?

You're gonna need to explain this one too.

[Elyse]

Ok we can lynch Garmr now

[Elyse]

Hooray.

Anen I will respond to you tomorrow

[Elyse]

So you're saying you haven't put any effort into solving the game? Hm.

That's not true. See eg. Yesterday. The fact that I didn't realize how many mislynches we have has nothing to do with it; everything else about this topic has been answered before.

Yes, it does. If you actually tried to figure out the game, you would have a guestimate on how many scum are left and how many mislynches we have. Either you're scum feigning ignorance or town trying to cover up that you haven't actually been trying to solve the game.

If I'm scummy enough I should be the mislynch. It makes sense.
However, I think I've been in a kind of "social vacuum" for a couple of Days. That usually happens whenever at least one of my reads is deeply wrong. If so, which one?

Idk what you mean here.

Which part didn't you understand?
By "social vacuum" I mean that noone seems to have strong reads on me in either way nor too many players are engaging me. The thing I posted might be a reason behind.

That's what I didn't understand. At this point with all the clears, there's not much reason to engage with others because unless I'm wrong about my TSO read or MOHIS/Varsoon is a godfather or some other shenanigans happened, then town wins.

And what don't you like about my vote?

Lacked content?

So why'd you call mine out and not TSO's? I justified my reason later so I get you saying that it has no content but neither did TSO's. It seems like you're trying to plant seeds of doubt.

Wasn't that a sheeping vote, by the way?
Also, your answer is pigeon poop: the fact that TSO gave no content alongside with the vote doesn't make your vote better.

I'm not defending my vote. At this point in the game, I don't have tons of reasons for all of my votes. We have clears on a good number of people and it only takes me not townreading someone to vote them. I only brought up TSO's vote because it seems to me you're strategically casting aspersions my way. This only makes sense if you're scum who needs to mislynch me or misguided town. Considering you haven't expressed a scumread on me all game, the latter doesn't seem likely to me.

Why is this bad logic and what does it have to do with ZZZX not posting? I think ZZZX is scum too, but Garmr is scummier.

I still don't think we should end the Day without reading anything from a widely-suspected player.

Yeah because ZZZX's content yesterday was really helpful.

Why would you think they would have recruited you by now?

After my Day1/Day2 pigeon poop?

Most people, myself included, had a townread on you for that.

You're gonna need to explain this one too.

Not getting answers and reactions for this:

I don't think the scumteam is playing particularly well. They're not playing poorly either. I just think a lot of random things went their way and they probably took advantage of the hider mess.

makes me sad.

Ok?

I've wanted to lynch ZZZX for a while now and the fact that he's still alive is unnerving, but Aneninen has really been pinging as of late. I'm not too worried about it because we still have a mislynch, but I'm not sure who I want to lynch today.

It'd be nice if Varsoon and MOHIS could give some content considering they're cleared.

[Elyse]

I will probably end up voting ZZZX because I can't in good conscience leave alive that slot going in MyLo. But I want to make it clear that Aneninen is the lynch that follows. I am willing to throw the game with the assumption of Elyse-town. She's not this good as scum.

VOTE: ZZZX

[Elyse]

A no lynch can't really hurt. The only way it would help would be if myself or Aneninen was killed at night, which I think is unlikely.

I'm good with it if you guys want to though.

[Elyse]

MOHIS was cop cleared

[Elyse]

Yeah

[Elyse]

(it's Aneninen)

[Elyse]

Good with me.

VOTE: Aneninen

[Elyse]

Ok well in the meantime, Aneninen wasn't on the Kling lynch OR IAI lynch, which were the two pivotal scum lynches.

He also started casting suspicion on me late into the game once he realized that he'd need another mislynch.

The TSO kill also points to him being scum. Yeah, this is WIFOM, but I was initially surprised TSO died. Going into MyLo with two cleared players is pretty ballsy because it limits his lynch target to only me rather than TSO and me. I mean I know I would have been a little paranoid if TSO made it to LyLo, so it wasn't completely out of the question that he could have been lynched. Ultimately though I think killing TSO was the best play for Aneninen, since TSO was active and thought Anen was scum, and it's probably easier to convince someone like MOHIS who hasn't really expressed his thoughts yet.

Again this game has been basically an autopilot from my PoV since the cop clears came out and I think that's been pretty clear through my posts. Only scum and the cleared people have a decision to make.

[Elyse]

Deadline is in 6 days!!! Hurry!!!

[Elyse]

I was also kidding. Six days is a lot of time.

[Elyse]

Most of those points are in my favor.

[Elyse]

Haha I think the problem is you didn't plan well enough. I mean I don't blame you. Three scum lynches in a row is tough but you started casting doubt on me at a time where it was very obvious you knew where the game was headed.

[Elyse]

That AtE and self-deprecation tho

[Elyse]

@Varsoon and MOHIS

Do I need to destruct Aneninen's walls or can we lynch him already

I'm lazy and would rather not do the work if I don't have to.

[Elyse]

You're probably getting that feeling because this game has been on autopilot since the cop clears came out and it's gone on as long as possible lol.

I'll be busy all day. Hopefully when I come back this will be over. Come on MOHIS. Be the hero!

[Elyse]

I'm not nervous.

Varsoon, from my PoV, it's on autopilot because I know I'm town, meaning Anen is scum. That's what I mean.

[Elyse]

Phew. I thought Varsoon or MOHIS was third party at the end because the game didn't end right away.

This was a fun one. Thanks for modding Jason!

[Elyse]

Wait did you hide behind me?

[Elyse]

Also lol at Kling reporting me to the mods for not playing to my wincon for bussing her

[Elyse]

I had a long argument with kling in the dead thread about that lol. She was trying to say we planned to bus her from the start and was twisting the truth a little to make herself look like a victim.

Reading the scum PT is hilarious now that I survived and won. Kling was like "you and Garmr can't win yourselves" "you're next Elyse they all suspect you" "you won't make it to endgame" "I guarantee you won't win"

[Elyse]

Lol I think Jason is going to open the threads tomorrow. But if Kling deletes them maybe I'll have to hit you up. I'm curious.

[Elyse]

Happy scumday to meeeee

[Elyse]

Thanks <3

[Elyse]

Jason said he was exhausted yesterday. I think he'll post everything tonight.

[Elyse]

I'll post Dead thread, scum topic and night actions, after I make myself a massive chicken dinner

That's one big dinner.

[Elyse]

PTs!

[Elyse]

Kling, you are so fucking bitter lmfao. I would bus you 10 times out of 10 if the same situation arose. You were awful and the competing wagons were Spifflop, who was so town it hurt, and Alchemist, which was entirely town-led and netted us two mislynches and a vig shot on town. Get the fuck over it already.

I also lol'd when you said we were stupid for lynching IAI because he was the brains of the whole thing. First, I also thought TWIE was the cop and wanted to kill him. Second, IAI fucking claimed vig to draw out a CC. What were we supposed to do, vote for the actual town vig? Garmr owned up to his mistake. Learn from him. I've been scum with him twice before and one time he bussed me to oblivion because I was having a shitty game. Guess what? He went on to win. Sound familiar? He made the right move, and so did I.

My God. I mean I get that you're pissed off for being bussed but you're being flat out delusional. Please don't sign up for a game I'm in. I don't want to play with you again.

To the rest of you, good game. I had fun.

[Elyse]

EE is going to be a fucking nightmare postgame.

Why?

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On another note, I'm glad I drew not one, not two, but three jails. Gave town PRs room to work, so at least that part of my play was pro-town. Lol

You got rekt Eagle stfu

[Elyse]

Oh I forgot I quoted that.

Because you "caught me" for the wrong reasons. The reason I voted Garmr was to bus him. It had nothing to do with you.

[Elyse]

You just happened to be the one who Garmr was voting.

Also stop acting like I was obvscum. You couldn't lynch me. And I call bs on changing your read to gain traction. If you really did that, that's idiotic because you'll never gain traction by flip flopping your read so much.

[Elyse]

I'm not saying I played a perfect game and I don't care if you reflect on your play. But saying that I played like I had no mind of my own and fell for your gambit are lies so I'm going to call you out.

[Elyse]

Ty

[Elyse]

Preach Garmr

[Elyse]

I will