You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[T S O]

YEAH

[T S O]

I don't like the thread right now.

The only thing I didn't like up to that point was your irritating roleplay. What were you talking about here?

[T S O]

It's so delightful to play YCBA again. Thrilling games, truly.

[T S O]

VOTE: Aneninen

I agree with Titus that he looks scummy, but you can do her either.

[T S O]

got no idea how you could have a read on aneninen but id love to hear it

I just disliked the tone of one of his posts. Purely gut.

I don't like the thread right now.

The only thing I didn't like up to that point was your irritating roleplay. What were you talking about here?

Keep reading, friend.

I don't understand why I would "keep reading" when whatever you didn't like was before post 34.

So, now that your deflection has failed - what didn't you like about the thread at that point?

[T S O]

I haven't played Mafia in about two months. While it's lovely to be back, I really don't feel like having to repeat myself.

[T S O]

They're not particularly productive, I'll admit. Call it rust.

Give me a week, and I'll be kicking ass and taking names.

[T S O]

Excuse my role play. I'm excited.

And "role play" is a reference to my name, not to my character.

This seems a little jumpy for an opening.

Why did you use my wiki? Most players prefer recent games.

You should know I don't give breaks. The truth is what matters.

Because after reading that and your current ongoing, I had more than enough.

Good. Have you seen what you expected/hoped for, so far?

PEdit: because I haven't seen what I was expecting to see yet, and that means I've either miscalculated, or this game might be harder than it should.

I'll give it a little longer

How vague can you make your posts? I'm interested.

I'm confused. Therefore sheep firebringer
VOTE: shiro

Awful idea

Good for you!

I'm waiting. It will come. Patience. Which is more provocative, a vote, or none? Based on your reaction, I must say that the latter seems more true.

This is you trying to imply that you're purposely not voting in order to gauge reactions by people noting that you're not voting. I don't buy that.

I agree with this!

Green thinks SG is scum.

Why are you doing this colour coding rubbish? It's so obvious who is who.

One more thing before I go.

I find it hard to consolidate the attitude of "prefer to sit back and watch" with the action of "purposely do something in hopes that it will provoke someone"

I also like this post! Errant is kicking ass right now.

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

Are you scum again?

I don't like the thread right now.

The only thing I didn't like up to that point was your irritating roleplay. What were you talking about here?

Keep reading, friend.

I don't understand why I would "keep reading" when whatever you didn't like was before post 34.

So, now that your deflection has failed - what didn't you like about the thread at that point?

I get the feeling I'm going to be quoting myself all game.

Here's both of the times I've explained myself.

PEdit: because I haven't seen what I was expecting to see yet, and that means I've either miscalculated, or this game might be harder than it should.

I don't like the thread right now.

Why?

That is a silly question to ask, little bird, when it has already been answered. But it is ok. I shall share it again.

PEdit: because I haven't seen what I was expecting to see yet, and that means I've either miscalculated, or this game might be harder than it should.

I'll give it a little longer

And if you want an explanation for those, you're going to have to read the rest of the thread instead of skimming and bs-ing your way through

I haven't played Mafia in about two months. While it's lovely to be back, I really don't feel like having to repeat myself.

Really?!? Me neither!

I sort-of want to call TSO sour for how his posts come off as being unproductive, however, that is probably this old lady being senile.

You aren't. He's being unproductive.

This is just a giant wall of you not explaining yourself. It's completely fucking useless.

Nothing in 142 actually matters that much... Eagle is probably town. I see where you got the whole non-voting shit from now.

...where does this jump come from? I'd really love to see your thought process here.

151 looks like a scum wall

Nah.

my friendly maple syrup mama is town, almost definitely ^_^

How are you getting that? She had about 4 posts by then.

Oh and I think EE would be scum for different reasons.

Oh ok can you tell me those reason may convince more people to join the wagon plus it gives me a little look into you?

Sure. I felt their approach to me was off. Their argument that I was wagoned a lot day 1 isn't really supported by the games in my wiki. My wiki is extremely outdated. The whole "Passionate Storm" isn't here in the first twenty minutes felt off.

EE seemed to be invoking InuYasha mafia indirectly, which is not a game in my wiki. The references to birds of prey seemed off since that's my hyra with PV.

His reaction that he expected a wagon on us in the first 24 hours before most of the game had posted felt like he way trying to create a scenario to mislynch rather than actually analyzing the evidence.

His scumread on both Elyse and Garmr looks designed to have those two keep fighting.

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

Already answered I have Elyse as town. Elyse's reasoning is clear and trackable. It's wrong IMO but having one wrong read isn't scummy. I agree with most of her posts.

Anyone is easy or hard to track as scum. You're feeling a little sales many with your recent posts. Elyse isn't TOO hard to catch as scum and been bamboolzed by Titus really feel off.

Two excellent posts! PS can be town for now.

[T S O]

Oh no, Jaqen's in this game.

[T S O]

No idea how you're townreading EE, AJ, but I'd really love to know! And soon.

[T S O]

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

Will read today.

Vote: Aunt Jemima

Missed you!

Definitely haven't been thinking aj referred to aj the epic the whole game -_-
@Spider Gwen Why are you scumreading passionate storm, and if you aren't why is your vote still on them?
Anyone up for flavourclaiming?

randomidget is scum.
Discuss.

~Spiffy

And suddenly I feel paranoid about voting Anen

Hello, TWIE! It's been a while.

[T S O]

Mod, could you edit that post? Somehow my quotes teleported from here to there.

[T S O]

My internet has, not once but twice, somehow caused my quotes to disappear. More than a little rage-inducing.

[T S O]

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

I wonder why your playstyle is so passive and bland this game. I also wonder why you're not willing to stick your neck out for Klingon if you actually feel she's town, which is definitely not beyond your capacity as town.

Will read today.

Vote: Aunt Jemima

Missed you!

Please play this time, Peregrine, don't let this be another Inorg Chem.

Anyone up for flavourclaiming?

Fucking. No.

randomidget is scum.

As of now, simply an idiot.

And suddenly I feel paranoid about voting Anen

An excellent post! Elyse is either town or playing a marvellous scumgame.

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

I commend EE for their activity and willingness to respond to interrogation - but cut this shit out. No-one cares.

Also stop buddying me I haven't done anything to warrant a town read yet.
hiplop has though

~Spiffy

And I haven't done anything to warrant a scumread.

You haven't really done anything, but I could see how calling a flavourclaim could make people unfamiliar with you scumread you.

(By the way, I was Hitler in a previous YCBA game and town.)

Also being cocky != being scum my. Why would it? Town people are cocky when they think they've caught scum. Pls explain scum motivation behind being cocky.

Meh that's true. Me knowing I'm town and that you're wrong makes me a little biased I guess into you being cocky scum. The bottom line is that your attitude changed. It's either due to cocky scum or misguided town and your posts make me think the former.

This post gives me vague vibes of scum-Elyse in YCBA III, but you're doing some good stuff so it can pass.

Feeling good overall on my Titus read. She should be putting in more effort if town. Her switching to attack mode is not a good sign.

What do you mean by attack mode? Am I mistaken in thinking that your early push on Titus was that she wasn't being aggressive enough?

It was about Titus being cautious with her vote. I was a bit mistaken with this, but that hydra did try to hide in RVS and prioritized a random vote over a somewhat serious one. I sensed that Titus wasn't trying to put her or her hydra out there, i.e. caution. The attack on me is something else. It's retribution. Everything she's said about my play is false, as you can read Secret Alt 2, even in ISO, and come away with a vastly different impression of my play than Titus is giving here. She should know that I do have hard headed tendencies. But she should also know that I was trying to feel her out. Which was why I was talking to her when trying to understand her play and not talking at her. If town, I wanted her to prove me wrong and talk me down. That didn't happen, and she lashed out at me. Not only that, she then tried to muddle up her play. That's a scum reaction.

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i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

I think this post means grapes is scum.

I really do like this post. I'm not sure I agree with it, but I feel like it's coming from town.

@AneN

Nah Shiro is town and I have no idea who clotilde is

You could be Clotilde.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

I am already

Captain James Tiberius Kirk though

I have a very bad feeling about this.
VOTE: Shiro

Don't worry about him, he always sorts himself out in due time.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: spider gwen

Where did this vote actually come from? SG had been making fairly decent posts around then, if I recall correctly.

[T S O]

So, ladies and gentlemen of the forest, why is Elyse so angry? Why is she so frustrated? Well, to put it in her words it's because:

Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

She's frustrated she was not expecting to get caught after falling for such a silly gambit. She's already set herself up in a difficult spot after budduing one of her scum buddies, and she knows that if she gets caught here it's going to be bad juju for mafia. Vote Elyse. Let's lynch scum

Yeah...not seeing it.

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I also think it makes Klingon scum, so vote there plz

Go further into this please. Because I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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@AneN

Nah Shiro is town and I have no idea who clotilde is

You could be Clotilde.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

I am already

Captain James Tiberius Kirk though

I have a very bad feeling about this.
VOTE: Shiro

What about those posts make Shiro scum?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: spider gwen

Whatever. Call me when you want to put some effort in.

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@Spider gwen that was horrible.. You took a line out of where it was and left it alone making it sound really out of context. (I rechecked the post in question to make certain)

I've gone over that post over and over, and that just does not fit. It's the "before" that's throwing me off. It tells me that he's scum now, not in a past game. I mean, I wish I'm wrong here. I'm hoping that Eagle is able to clear this up and I just looked at it cross-eyed somewhere, because I really don't trust the whole slip notion in the first place. But I just can't wrap my head around how that could be anything else.

Another delightful post, bar the explanation on the scumslip - I just disagree.

What about those posts make Shiro scum?

There's nothing to see.

How certain are you Shiro's scum?

A man is no one.

please don't tell me you are going to talk like this the whole game.

It gets worse as the pages stretch on.

I like Eagle. He amuses me. And as I said, I'm not a huge believer in scum slips. But that one still stood out to me. And I'm hoping I'm wrong, because I like Eagle and really don't want to believe that is a slip.

Lately I've been singing your praises, but you really can't afford to let your feelings get in the way of your win condition.

I've been spending way too long checking my tongue in the mirror
And bending over backwards just to try to see it clearer
But my breath fogged up the glass
And so I drew a new face and I laughed

It's very catchy.

In other news, Exxy (Extrapolated Eagle) is definitely sweet.

Hold the fuck up, what's this?

Extrapolated Eagle

(4): Garmr, I Am Innocent, itlepip, Elyse

Aneninen

(3): Passionate Storm, T S O, Alchemist21

In approximate order, most sweet to most sour, we've got Alchy, Pippy, Gammy, Elly, TSO, Inny, and Stormy.

That I would happily lynch the latter three (and none of these names are particularly sweet) should inform you of why these are not good wagons.

You calling me scum is bad, you calling the Storm hydra isn't great either in light of some fairly decent posting after the first few pages. You feel a little strange this game, AJ - I feel uneasy that you said you'd happily lynch me, in particular (though I can feel my ego talking.)

Is anyone's browser doing this weird thing where it takes forever to submit a post?

Indeed.

grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

What's your issue with the composition here? Town, town, town, null, town, if I had to put a gun to my head.

[T S O]

So, ladies and gentlemen of the forest, why is Elyse so angry? Why is she so frustrated? Well, to put it in her words it's because:

Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

She's frustrated she was not expecting to get caught after falling for such a silly gambit. She's already set herself up in a difficult spot after budduing one of her scum buddies, and she knows that if she gets caught here it's going to be bad juju for mafia. Vote Elyse. Let's lynch scum

Oh yeah, worth pointing out how awful a conclusion this is.

[T S O]

Well, I'm caught up more or less to the end of page 16. Stuff I'd like to re-read once I'm done is the Elyse-EE argument - I may have skimmed that.

[T S O]

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

[T S O]

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

That's actually really boring. Like, REALLY boring. I wasn't expecting that from you.

I've rarely been accused of being boring, and I'm sad to say it hurts. Just a little bit.

Oh well. Let me know when you're all caught up. By the way, if you're interested in why Elyse is scum, the most recent posts on it are far more interesting than that old garbage.

Fear not, all arguments/cases will be read and considered equally. Justice for all.

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I've been beating on them a lot, so I like this as a vote. I also like Klingon as a vote, though.

Ily

[T S O]

Elyse, how do you feel about spidergwen? How do you feel about lynching her today?

How did you go from "die Elyse die" to "wanna help me lynch this Elyse?"? It's such a bizarre transition.

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

Be surprised no longer. I am here.

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

I like what I see from him though atm. He had the same profile in Inorganic Chemistry. That's why he's weak town. In Stevens Universe, he was actually more vocal.

Hey TSO, when you reach this point in your catchup, make a post witch yer current reads baby doll.

I appreciate your townread, but judging my alignment from my vocality is really not a path we should be going down. My best towngames are the ones where I'm the most active.

Reads? Later.

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

Why? That one is rarely having a presence D1.

[T S O]

My gizzard is screaming at me right now. Shut up, gizzard. Let me think for a moment. You might have a point, but let me contemplate it.
@itlepip, passionate storm, Elyse, and anyone else who's on right now, what are your thoughts on Shiro and Varsoon?

Shiro is less giffy than I hoped for, and I didn't know varsoon was in this game

"Mr spock send me some high.... Quality gifs for this Kind gentleman here... See how he likes our... Collection."

Why baby doll?

Can you at least vote Klingon?

*bats eyelashes*

You'll find I'm full of surprises.
But I'll never join you.

I had to

@Eagle you are in for a surprise if you find my fooling around scummy xD

I've been finding it rather scummy in this game, actually.

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

Why? That one is rarely having a presence D1.

Erm... a man nods. (Am I doing this right?)

Is this really a thing? In my most recent completed town and scum games, I was

the

driving force d1.

(Also, hello.)

@dapper, how do you feel about sharing reads?

A man is always completely forthcoming in the past, but much and more is thinking this may not be wise. When every read is public, it is giving weaknesses scum are capitalizing on.

A man is explaining how this is just so. If a man is saying persons A, B, C, and D are scum and is wrong on B and D then it is providing common ground for persons A and C to share with the other two. Persons B and D, knowing they are falsely accused, are then susceptible to unwittingly playing for scum and a man's correct conclusions are thrown out as well.

No, one at a time unless a man is nearing death.

A man is intrigued with this one's Web of Suspicion, and would suggest keeping track of who is initiating each action will be much and more helpful. If a man is having a copper to spare, he is wagering the blue lines will be of more importance.

This sounds like a convenient way for you to share none of your important reads, and essentially do nothing.

You're killing me here, Jaqen.

Auntie J is town. Cool.

Where did this sudden realisation spring from?

[T S O]

I feel like I'm never getting any closer to actually being fully caught up with these constant fucking catch-up posts. Ugh.

[T S O]

So I just figured out Varsoon. Sweet.

[T S O]

Skipping 10 pages ahead has reaped instant rewards. The information lies so cunningly hidden.

[T S O]

I'm sorry, I wouldn't have said it if I hadn't expected something a little more... Exciting. And less... Anticlimactic. But the fact that I expected that from you is a plus, because I don't expect it from too many people.

Who are you?

spifflop, thoughts on the fruit train now that grapes is responding to some things?

...where does this jump come from? I'd really love to see your thought process here.

Basically the main reason I was scumreading him was because I found it hard to believe that Eagle would go through with the non-voting gambit, but he provided evidence as to why that was true so I decided that point was a wash

VOTE: eagle

I'm going back to this, mainly because IDK about the grapes wagon anymore (I want spiff's input), and I honestly am not so sure about spifflop-town anymore. Also very hesitant to join Kling wagon
Elyse why Kling > Eagle?

-If you felt the previous evidence against Eagle was a wash, why did you return to the vote?
-Why do you ask for Spifflop's imput twice and then say you're not sure they're town?
-Why are you hesitant to vote Klingon?

I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

A wagon building fast so early in the game is built by Scum. Simple as that.

Are you talking about your own wagon here? It didn't really build that quickly at all.

[T S O]

Sometimes the method in which Elyse posts reminds me so heavily of YCBA III where she was scum, but then other times there are fantastic posts which convince me she's town. As well as that, I like everything she's saying. I find it unlikely that she is bussing, so either she's town or she's scum and my reads are completely off as well.

I cannot remember the last time my reads were completely off, so I'm going to assume it's not the case here either.

[T S O]

Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

I have been defending myself, short of roleclaiming.

You should read the game.

Oh wait, Scum don't read, do they?

So you're on my Scum list now.

your only 'defense' was just giving yourself more time to get reads. You haven't scumhunt anyone, you have made shit posts like your last two where you made gigantic generalizations in order to justify pure oppurtunism. Like of all of the posts in the game, that was the most scummy? Heck I think even in my iso I have had scummier posts this game. First off you don't have a defense so this post is a lie, second even if you did I have already missed or forgotten posts when there are 650 of them already. I'm not saying just ignore mistakes but if that is your top scumread at this point in the game you are doing something wrong, most likely drawing the wrong alignment.

I think I'm comfortable calling pip town for this.

I think Alchemist is scummy. His few posts have sounded off and his interactions re Aneninen are weird as hell. I don't know why he would point out that he was a possible alignment changer role and then unvote him. Masonizer isn't alignment changing, cult is.

Talk to me about Alchemist briefly? He's flown under my radar pretty flawlessly so far.

@spiffy
You are plenty welcome to respond to my most recent posts explaining why she's scummy. I highly doubt many people even read them, but you know how it goes.

How about this, spiffy. If you can summarize my argument about why Elyse is scum AND make me reconsider my points, I.e. refute it to my standard, I will come vote off Klingon today. Or you can explain to me the town motivation behind a large majority of Elyse's posts. I can almost promise you you won't be capable of doing either. Not because I'm set on her being scum, but because I've already checked.

To be completely honest, though, I don't think many people know or care what my argument against her is. It's largely being ignored, and no one has responded at all to the most recent version. It's fine, I didn't expect them too, just like I don't really expect people to start reading and paying attention to my longer posts or their read on me as a player. They'll just keep "pressing" me until something else catches their fancy and they'll all jump on it and soon enough you'll have everyone jumping on all the eyecstching mistakes town has made and ignoring the reserved, careful, and brewed over posts hiding the malice of scum. Just look at how they respond to Elyse. Like garmr they skim and look for anything that catches their eye, like pictures of eagles or pigeons and jump on it as scum. I mean seriously, garmr actually missed entire PAGES of me pushing Elyse. PAGES of it. The actual content doesn't matter it's how the content appears. Elyse doesn't do anything eye-catching, so she must be town. She doesn't react much either. Let's wagon grapes who opposed something we all agreed on until he doesn't respond much and we'll find someone else more exciting to wagon.

Oh well. Sorry about the rant. I just want to see proof you've read one of my posts, spiffy. Please. I'm not promising out of it, but to make me feel better? And I will keep the deal, if you can show me significant amounts of town motivation in Elyse's posts or respond to my argument in a meaningful and thought out way that gives good case to Elyse being town, I'll drop it and join you elsewhere.

Can you quote me your three best posts on why Elyse is scum? I saw one a page or so back where you made a giant wall, but I'd just like to gather your thoughts together to see what I discern from them.

oh good you might actually be town.

If that went for TSO, I have the same feeling about him.

(I should preface this by saying that I hate when people ask other people why they're townreading them, it's a cheap way to look like you're scumhunting, but...) Why are you townreading me? I can understand why certain people are, but I'm not so sure about you.

Also, Varsoon should leave Elyse alone.

@TSO i'm voting Gwen bc she is scummy and ignoring my questions.

Cool. Can I count on your vote when I need it in the future? Thanks.

[T S O]

Sometimes the method in which Elyse posts reminds me so heavily of YCBA III where she was scum, but then other times there are fantastic posts which convince me she's town. As well as that, I like everything she's saying. I find it unlikely that she is bussing, so either she's town or she's scum and my reads are completely off as well.

I cannot remember the last time my reads were completely off, so I'm going to assume it's not the case here either.

A man is remembering YCBA3 until late game.

I was unlucky with the speedlynch I created d1, and was blinded d2 by Peregrine's remarkable scumminess, as was AJ and anyone else with a working brain. The day 3 Elyse-scum lynch was all me, you got Guiltied d4, and the day 5 massive-scum lynch was, again, all me.

I only regret the d1 speedlynch. Nothing else.

[T S O]

Are you going to share your reads, Jaqen? Because it's going to be a long game if you don't, and I'm really not buying your whole "my reads are so good scum can't be allowed to know them" act at all.

[T S O]

What a weird post.

Are you posting in character/flavor, or do you have a tragic role?

Would you please stop?
You're fishing. You're not helping.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I usually don't post in the morning, and I don't mean to harass certain people, but Peregrine in particular shows no signs of even attempting to catch up, and at the rate we're moving at, soon it will be impossible for anyone replacing him to do so either.

[T S O]

So much noise, so little signal. How are you posting this quickly?

[T S O]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[T S O]

Fuck reading this game, it's completely self-defeating. I'm sick of catching up, I want to play.

[T S O]

And I am extremely interested in someone talking to me about Alchemist-scum because I'm hearing it in the background constantly and I'm sure someone in the game has a coherent reason for why they think it's true.

[T S O]

Klingon can definitely die, though. That's a given.

[T S O]

Are you talking to me, Jaqen? If so - I see absolutely nothing wrong with voting someone I feel is scum while inquiring about another person who I feel could be.

[T S O]

I think my vote's fine, but I know you disagree on that.

I appreciate your thoughts on Alchemist - however, I currently feel that the best way for me to decide my feelings there is to actually converse with someone who's calling him scum and is willing to back that up.

[T S O]

That most definitely was not a scumclaim.

[T S O]

It's a scumread that multiple people have expressed interest in, but that no-one has pursued. That's usually a good sign that the player in question is scum.

[T S O]

It's probably because I'm specifically townreading Elyse, and I'm not with Alchemist.

[T S O]

I just went back and ISO'd Klingoncelt to see if I felt comfortable with maintaining my vote there. I do.

[T S O]

I played against - and caught, harassed, and secured a lynch - on Elyse-scum in YCBA III. Either she has dramatically stepped up her scumgame, or she's town. There are a few telltale signs - her wondering where I am, for instance, is one of them. Elyse-town is a lot more likely to have that presence of mind.

[T S O]

I just realised that I have been outrightly ignoring Garmr for a while now. This really wasn't my intention, my dear, do forgive me.

[T S O]

And yes, Elyse-town is a cornerstone of my reads, and is one of the reads I'm basing my entire gameview yet. I've read the first 33 pages of this game, and I haven't seen a single convincing argument concerning Elyse-scum.

[T S O]

I just realised that I have been outrightly ignoring Garmr for a while now. This really wasn't my intention, my dear, do forgive me.

You even ignored me when I asked what you thought of me, where is the love tso where is the love.

Such a travesty will never occur again as long as I draw breath. Talk to me, Garmr. Where are you at this game?

[T S O]

@TSO, If you were reading EE like you were reading me, what would your read be?

Rephrase? I presume this is Titus. Do you mean with a critical eye, or something similar?

I just went back and ISO'd Klingoncelt to see if I felt comfortable with maintaining my vote there. I do.

I don't know if you were responding to me or not, but either way I decided it would be better to clarify.

I wasn't. I explained a little bit further down why I'm townreading Elyse, but it's quite brief. It's a read I -get- and I find it hard to explain those type of reads.

[T S O]

It's a tough one. I'm fairly sure their view of the gamestate is wrong, but that doesn't necessarily indict them as scum. In YCBA III, SkyPaladin did his best to derail everything I did for 2-3 days and he was town.

I would have to say, scum. I really hated their early game play. I haven't disliked them that much after that, but I don't feel they've really redeemed themselves either. My general uneasiness about them has not been allayed.

[T S O]

Tell Jeanne she should post, it'll help me figure out your slot faster and then I don't have to be guarded with my thoughts.

[T S O]

Is it a confidence issue? There are certain players I won't mention playing this current game who she couldn't possibly be worse than.

[T S O]

I agree, EE is a difficult one to sort.

[T S O]

Is it a confidence issue? There are certain players I won't mention playing this current game who she couldn't possibly be worse than.

If I am in this group, I would like to know. I need to be aware of where my play can be vastly improved upon and it can be hard to self-evaluate.

In a word, no. You are definitely in the upper half of the players here, at worst.

While's no need for me to needlessly run my mouth about people's competency, anyone can ask if they really want to know what I think. But I won't lie for the sake of your feelings.

Anyway, back to the game.

[T S O]

Is it a confidence issue? There are certain players I won't mention playing this current game who she couldn't possibly be worse than.

She is more of why bother, we'll ignore her variant.

In all likelihood, that will probably happen. But I was ignored when I started too. Mafia has a definite learning curve and very few people get to evade its necessities.

I just realised that I have been outrightly ignoring Garmr for a while now. This really wasn't my intention, my dear, do forgive me.

You even ignored me when I asked what you thought of me, where is the love tso where is the love.

Such a travesty will never occur again as long as I draw breath. Talk to me, Garmr. Where are you at this game?

Lets see in short

I was pushing eagle hard earlier.
Then I noticed kling was pressured over easy to dispell bad reasoning for one post and I think a town kling would easily be able to handle that she is pretty bad as scum.
Then I saw the spiffy wagon pop up and tbh I don't like the reasoning on it +the fact eagle jumped on.
I realized that my eagle case isn't going to go through today but I can lynch my second scum read in klingy.
Also I have more town reads than scum reads but I guess the town make up the majority of the game so yeh.

So that my mind processed in the minimum amount of words possible.

This mirrors what I've been doing as well. Excellent stuff. (Though you do tend to be scum a disproportionately high amount of the time, so...)

Do you have any unusual reads, aside from the ones you've mentioned?

[T S O]

Mod - you're going to have to bite the bullet and get replacing shortly, half the game is hardly playing.

[T S O]

It's worth saying that my criticisms have been scientifically proven to be at least three (3) times as scathing as Spifflop's.

[T S O]

: a person who unwittingly aids their enemies : one who is more disruptive to their own cause than to their enemies' cause : a fool who is stubborn in their idiocy : foolish, incompetent <the townbeard decried the efforts of the mayor to unite, while an assassin slipped through the gate>

It's right there in Merriam-Webster, if you look.

[T S O]

Here.

[T S O]

more relevantly, TSO I'm loving your posts this and last page. I've read them but I'm on my phone and typing sucks. When I get home I will talk more. I'm glad you're on the same page with kling, she really needs to die.

Marvellous stuff! I agree - Kling does need rope sooner or lately, for multiple reasons.

[T S O]

It's a crude joke that amuses me for some reason.

[T S O]

What if I had just slipped up and linked to my scum QT, but could attempt to claim that it was actually a Speakeasy thread? And it turns out that the only people with Speakeasy access are all scum with me? And I somehow escape with my life, and go on to win in 3-man LyLo?

[T S O]

I need to go to fucking bed and stop shitposting here.

[T S O]

Jaqen, remind me when your early game has ever been better than mine? Really? Because the last time we played together in Inorganic Chemistry you were so hilariously bad that you attempted to tell everyone that everyone you protected you actually thought was scum, and vice versa.

Please stop talking rubbish unless you've got something to back it up.

[T S O]

How about this: Titus, spifflop, shiro, Tso and then maybe inte/twie for a scum team? I think the chemistry there works. Not much solid content, two jump on Klingon with hiplop being the "head of reason" appealing to town while actions say otherwise
Three scum on the wagon all at once is too bold but

no one expects two and two isn't too risky.

Also no one there outright defends another one of them. Titus even distanced twie a bit and that ate from her regarding spifflop was icky. Tso jumps all over the place, perhaps on purpose but he's an interesting fellow. Interesting doesn't have too much interest in the thread since he's scum, he just asks for a summary so scum can figure out how they view the game. Um townbloc from Titus is a home free card if she gets it going as scum and it makes strong arms much easier.

This is just speculating, again, but what are people thinking here?

Half of the people you're naming here you have literally just picked out of a hat.

The logic you're using doesn't even hold up under basic examination. The bolded is just flat-out wrong.

I would be delighted to see where I have been "jumping all over the place" - it simply hasn't happened.

[T S O]

My Klingon vote suddenly feels dirty.

[T S O]

Half of the people you're naming here you have literally just picked out of a hat.

The logic you're using doesn't even hold up under basic examination. The bolded is just flat-out wrong.

I would be delighted to see where I have been "jumping all over the place" - it simply hasn't happened.

For those who didn't believe TSO belonged in 1436, what do you think of this? this is quite the reaction to just throwing some names at the wall speculatively

I'm still waiting for you to respond to what I said. Your vague attempt to discredit me calling you out was weak.

[T S O]

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

[T S O]

It's a tough one. I'm fairly sure their view of the gamestate is wrong, but that doesn't necessarily indict them as scum. In YCBA III, SkyPaladin did his best to derail everything I did for 2-3 days and he was town.

I would have to say, scum. I really hated their early game play. I haven't disliked them that much after that, but I don't feel they've really redeemed themselves either. My general uneasiness about them has not been allayed.

[T S O]

I do love these attempts at aggression to mask the fact you flat-out lied about your scumteam post.

[T S O]

Give me a few hours and I'll sort this shit out.

[T S O]

Jaqen, remind me when your early game has ever been better than mine? Really? Because the last time we played together in Inorganic Chemistry you were so hilariously bad that you attempted to tell everyone that everyone you protected you actually thought was scum, and vice versa.

Please stop talking rubbish unless you've got something to back it up.

And a man is supposing when he is giving this, this one will stfu and realize he is but a distraction from scum hunting D1 and wait until he is shining before trying to lead town?

It doesn't exist. In games we've played together, your early game has always been worse than mine.

[T S O]

I replaced into Inorganic Chemistry, so I obviously didn't have an early game there. Is your point that you playing from the start there somehow trumps me not doing so ...?

[T S O]

I'm being distracted, this is rubbish.

[T S O]

Monday post- no prod needed.

You're going to have to play at some point, Pere.

[T S O]

I haven't even researched your early game. My issue is with you calling my early game awful, when I've shown that in games we play together, my early game is at worst the same as yours.

Maybe your early game is fantastic, I don't know. But mine is fairly decent, and I can back that up with hard data from recent games.

[T S O]

Half of the people you're naming here you have literally just picked out of a hat.

The logic you're using doesn't even hold up under basic examination. The bolded is just flat-out wrong.

I would be delighted to see where I have been "jumping all over the place" - it simply hasn't happened.

For those who didn't believe TSO belonged in 1436, what do you think of this? this is quite the reaction to just throwing some names at the wall speculatively

This is one of those posts where you know you've fucked up, so you try to flip the pressure back onto me by calling my reaction scummy.

We can discuss my reaction once we clarify your points. I've asked and asked, but I've yet to find any evidence to back up your assertions. Can we assume you were lying, then?

@TSO

Wanna talk? You're asking people about their scumreads on me but I'm not sure what your read on me is. I may have missed it, but did you state more reasons for joining the Kling wagon other than didn't like their ISO?

I'd love to talk. I think it would be difficult to find a reason to vote Klingon that's not in her ISO, seeing as it contains all her posts, after all.

Where have you been so far? I can't remember one significant play you've made this game. That's not a good thing.

I think we have one of two possible scum teams at this point in time:

Team Were going to get what we want even though it's kinda scummy and rub it in your face through WIFOM and strongarm
This team is some semblance of Titus, tso, spifflop, inte, shiro, twie and Elyse (from scummier to scummiless or something close to that)

Or the true lurker scum scum team:
Which goes something like ep, aj, Klingon OR itlepip, varsoon, and alchemists. Maybe garmr or something close to that.

Randomidget is probably town, as is dapper and maybe spider Gwen
I'm actually leaning more towards the second group at this moment in time

I'm going to give you a tip here - scumteams don't work like this, at all. In general, they're disjointed entities. They're not like robots, working in the same direction with one or two outliers. You won't have a high success rate if this is how you plan to group scum.

EE, it bothers me for such an intelligent player all your results are filtered through klingontown.

You are missing how scum normally behave here.

Maybe. She might be scum. I'm thinking about it.

I do have a question for you, though:
If you believed someone was scum to the fullest, would you do anything to get them lynched, even lie, as town?

I really hate the route you seem to be going down here.

The game in my signature was ruined for town because Albert decided to lie through his teeth about results. Don't go down this path.

Not on d1. Lying as town is only appropriate when you can correct the lie or the lie only hurts scum. For instance, I am fond of bulletproof and macho lies if I do not want a doctor heal and need to Wifom scums.

Ok.

VOTE: Klingon

I reserve the right to call you scummy as much as I want d2 if she flips town. No "I was town so I couldn't have known her alignment" or any of that.

When you vote Klingon, you become just as culpable as any other, were she to *gasp* flip town. You can't simply pass on your responsibility to Titus or I.

My Klingon vote suddenly feels dirty.

So much for "eagle is townbeard, right?" I mean, what even are your other reads? You don't even know. You just know that I'm coming after you tomorrow. Because you know her alignment, don't you?

This is the second time that you aggressively push back under pressure. Attacking me for my "other reads", which are fairly transparent

anyway

, is an attempt to shift the conversation back onto your terms. Do you think this is a feature of your play regardless of your alignment, or is it more specific to one?

What you're saying here doesn't even make sense. A few posts back, I had said that I was leaning scum on you. What you seem to be implying here is that I'm scum and Klingon... is scum too? In which case, your presence on the wagon would seem to be irrelevant to me, since I was on it before you showed any signs of wishing to move onto it as well.

What implications did you think your vote had for scum-TSO? I'd love for you to lay out the scenario.

You're scummy af right now TSO for backing off after that.

So, so certain that someone is scum that anyone who disagrees with you is scum or isn't reading properly. You know what she's going to flip, don't you? Is that why all of a sudden your scum read of me is blatant? Butter try to undercut this early, huh?

Same thing. It's all pressure flips and mud flinging, rather than any coherent logic.

Make up your mind, TSO. Is she scum? Figure it out right now. Because my threat to passionate storm applies to you as well.

Do you REALLY want this lynch?

I'm not quite sure why I'd need to "figure it out right now", given that deadline wasn't even close when you made this post, but whatever you're happy with.

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

And everything I've done?
I am not certain if you are misrepresenting me or simply did not understand what you read. But for the past fifty pages mu interests have been elsewhere. I defended my lack of vote on Klingon and did not even want to discuss it. But so people were so determined to discuss it.

What helped sway you? Given the speed of your reversal, it must have been quite decisive.

oops I forgot that post. TSO I would argue that EE really isn't aligned with Kling here. Again we are looking at 2 factions here, and given that gamestate bussing doesn't make any sense, especially for someone relatively new to the game. If they wanted to bus they would have done so earlier, not suddenly have 1 of them switch after my post. EE being new (please don't take offense here, I really like some of your recent play) means that of all the scum he has the easiest argument for noob stuck on townreading a scum and not being able to change his mentality. I really think his switch was a choice made my him and representative of his reads, which makes him town.

This is a surprisingly good post, aside from your assumption of singleball. I think it is a somewhat odd switch if they are scum together. Definitely not impossible, but somewhat unlikely.

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

I wasn't interested in Klingon. I defended my lack of vote against her.

And you just came around so quickly? Right after you asked Titus an extremely shady question?

Eagle's hop was very dirty but doesn't affect my opinion of Kling. He's either town realizing he's wrong and doesn't know what to do or scum hesitant to bus. Either way Kling is still scum.

The more I think on it, the more I come to this conclusion.

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

tso, I agree with you one hundred percent. Lets talk about this more later, I don't think I should share what I noticed just yet. I think it should make your Klingon vote feel good.

Did you ever elaborate on this?

Ccongrats elyse, you've reached a new level of scum laziness. "that's bullshit" all you could br bothered to say about my post.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: elyse
Also I'm not voting Klingon today.

Please stop making awful votes, it's beginning to irk me.

My Klingon vote suddenly feels dirty.

Because it is.

Well, yeah, but only because Eagle's voting her. And you're townreading Eagle, so I'm not sure if we can actually agree on anything here.

He's the kind of player who comes into a game with preconceived notions of who he WANTS to play with and they are always all town D1 while he picks his scum from those who he doesn't want to play with or doesn't care one way or the other. And is having much and more reverance for particular players and somehow still doesn't see the ignorance in this).

I also don't particularly notice myself doing this, but that seems to be my constant refrain these days.

I hope you don't feel I dislike you, Jaqen, I don't.

What's the case on alch?

I think Shiro posted something, but I haven't got around to reading it yet.

What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.

"Two groups of different alignment..."

Would it not have been easier and more sensible to say "I meant Town and Mafia?"

This is an awful last-ditch push, and it's not one town-Klingon would make. You can die.

For almost half a game, that one is playing for scum even as town.

Again, I outright disagree with this, but I'm still awaiting your damning evidence of my horrible early-game play, so...

@TSO- because you are good in figuring out the game in late game where a man is not so bright, when you are catching scum buddying one of there scum mates at what stage in the game is that buddying most like to start and how is the dance which is bringing it about going down? Specifically scum on scum. A man is neither doing nor having done to him as scum. As town it is happening plenty, so much so because a man is once quite susceptible to it. A man must needs know to help with a read.

Early, and I'd say providing townreads on each other before any pressure, to ward off that pressure. However, usually good players do it to each other if that's their plan, and the townread probably has legitimate ground anyway, so...

I'm up for wagonning aj. Didn't like the fact they only talked about Klingon in their catch up.

Sit the fuck down and listen to people who know what they're doing. It'll help you improve a lot more than hemorrhaging scumreads like you are at present.

Hey, I'm here. TSO talk to me I think you're townish.

-Fresh

What are the differences between your reads and Jaqen's? How much are you two communicating right now?

I replaced into Inorganic Chemistry, so I obviously didn't have an early game there. Is your point that you playing from the start there somehow trumps me not doing so ...?

A man is reading the question wrongly and thought you were asking when a man is mostly correct. 4/5 in Organic D1 is pretty damned good. A man is 4/4 in Trouser God but he isn't remembering you there. A man is 4/5 in Xeno 1 and 2 and 3/5 in Airplane Madness. He's is 2/3 in LotR. You are playing exactly one game where a man is having a bad D1. The one when it is reasonable for him to be rusty after laying off for two years, and it's that one damned game this one is hanging onto.

If these are true, than that's an impressive record. However, you need to produce an end product as well, in terms of getting them lynched. There's no point having good reads if you abandon them and pick up new ones every day. Perhaps you'd be better served by using your early reads as a constant baseline?

Go back and look at hiw many times you are talking town off a D1 scum lynch because of confidence undeserved. A man is really trying to help you here but is sure this one will just bristle his back, say something snide, and then never do anything to fix what is broken in his game.

Link me examples of this happening? I legitimately don't recall it occurring.

[T S O]

This one is now taking advantage of a player's inexperience to manipulate him to her way of thinking. Scum, particularly Titus and TSO when they are scum, will ardently defend their scum mates early in a game because they are able to make it wifom when someone is calling them out for said defense because there will be plenty townies on early mislynched who are thinking the lynched was scum at the time. Titus is probably scum here. A man was trying to not have to sort this one prior to D2 because of that one's D1 track record but a man isn't sitting idly by while she is poisoning the minds of all she can.

I hate to repeat myself, but... I'm almost sure this isn't a regular feature of my scumgame.

[T S O]

Are you intentionally misrepresenting me, TSO? Or are you just missing really vital parts of the thread?

I think your arrogance clouds your reads, if you are town.

Are you worth my time to respond to? You don't seem to be capable of reading the parts where I have already responded to the questions you pretend to innocently ask in your attempts at framing me as scum.

Let's play a game. I'll summarise my questions about you from that wall, and then you can quote from your ISO, where you've answered these questions in the past. That will really show me up to be the arrogant, non-reading all-around bad guy that I am.

Or, as is more likely, you'll just reply with some snarky rubbish, because you won't have any answers, and producing snarky rubbish is your way of hiding that.

@TSO;

I was asking for something specific from you about Klingon rather than the generality of not liking her ISO. As for where I've been, this game is full of noise that I either don't understsnd or don't care about. I'd rather deal with things I can manage today and wait for the game to thin out before getting wrapped up in huge conversations. I've made a few points in this game, and I still stand by what I said about Passionate Storm and itle.

If you want something succinct - Klingon's most recent pushes have been on weak players, lurkers, people who she knows are quite vulnerable. Pip, inte, that sort of thing. The pushes also suck ass, for what it's worth. This sort of horrible opportunism when close to death is not what Klingon-town would be doing.

[T S O]

-Can you quote, or point out, or make some sort of attempt at showing where I have been "jumping all over the place?" I think this is the fourth time I've asked, and you continue to disappoint.
-The way you're grouping scumteams is idiotic. This isn't me being arrogant or something, it's the truth. But we can simply wait until postgame for it to be shown up, so I digress.
-Do you actually believe Klingon is scum? Or is it some ill-founded attempt to further your scumread on PS? If it's the latter, please get the fuck off the wagon now.
-Why are you voting Klingon? I want specific reasons.
-Do you think that the way you continually attempt to pressure flip conversations is indicative of your alignment?
-In post #1514, you say that I'm unvoting Klingon because of her alignment, but it's not clear why. Can you expand on this scenario in detail? It seems like the best reason to scumread me you have, yet you're curiously reticent about it.
-If my arrogance is blinding me, then why are you currently sheeping my reads and voting Klingon?
-Is it difficult to reconcile your scumread of PS with your apparent scumread on Klingon?

[T S O]

I am making a prediction, right now, that EE's responses, in order, will be something about how responding is a waste of time, how much I suck, how mean I am, and then some hurried response to less than half of the points that has a lot of waffle and no quotes.

Prove me wrong, EE.

[T S O]

TSO. A man is enjoying playing with you or is avoiding games you are in when possible. Aan is having many games with you. Is a man going through your games to point out specific examples of what aan is noticing something that will help this game or is it something better saved for post game? A man is thinking he is having what is needed to improve the softest part of your game as you are in tightening his own weaknesses and so is glad in having this convo whenever so long as a couple of pages or so of mechanics banter that has nothing to do with this game isn't distracting to everyone else.

This discussion in general may be best saved for postgame, but I'd definitely be interested in having it.

You are also asking Fresh where we are disagreeing. He is in the Klingon is scum camp. While a man isn't agreeing he is supporting the vote if Fresh is casting it. Other than that, a man is believing we're seeing pretty eye to eye.

Ask Fresh how he can reconcile his Klingon scumread with his Spifflop scumread? Does he think it's multiball?

[T S O]

Final post as a reminder to myself to read both Jaqen's case and Shiro's case.

[T S O]

AJ is probably town, really. I'd like to talk to her about Eagle - I never felt she expanded on that townread enough.

[T S O]

If I was calling a scumteam right now, it'd probably be something like Klingon/EE/Alch/lurker that I haven't decided yet/lurker #2. I don't find many active players to be scummy right now.

Lurker pool is something like {PV, MOHIS, IAI, inte, TWIE}.

[T S O]

I agree that Jaqen

could

be scum, and I'm still waiting to see how that plays out, but his current game doesn't particularly remind me of YCBA III. I'll do some meta in a while.

[T S O]

If you don't have reason to believe it's multiball, then do you feel it's possible that the two competing wagons on Spiff and Kling are both scum?

[T S O]

Speaking of which, add grapes to the lurker list. He slipped my mind.

[T S O]

So you do feel it's more likely to be multiball, then?

[T S O]

Speaking of which, add grapes to the lurker list. He slipped my mind.

Randomidget?

Not lurking. Ive been posting fairly consistently and haven't been trying to avoid interaction.

This is admittedly true. You can't really accuse him of being a lurker, but you

can

accuse him of so many more things.

[T S O]

If I was calling a scumteam right now, it'd probably be something like Klingon/EE/Alch/lurker that I haven't decided yet/lurker #2. I don't find many active players to be scummy right now.

Lurker pool is something like {PV, MOHIS, IAI, inte, TWIE}.

wow im hurt.

You know that I secretly adore your roguish charm.

[T S O]

I just went back to look as I know YCBA3 was not. None of the previous YCBA games had multiball. YCBA2 had a serial killer.

If we weigh past experience into account then I'm more likely to lean towards not being multiball. But I don't want to mod the mod here so I'll leave it at that. Its not out of the question that it could be but signs are pointing me towards not believing it.

-Fresh

I understand that while you feel past YCBA meta points to the game not being multiball (though YCBA II blurred the lines between singleball and multiball), but I'm just trying to understand your mindset here. You believe both Klingon and Spifflop are scum, but you're extremely hesitant to call them scum together. Therefore, the game must be multiball in your eyes.

Do you feel that the game is likely to be multiball by your reads, but likely to be singleball from past mod meta?

[T S O]

Well, in the world where you're right on all your reads you'd seem to be the optimum nightkill, so you may as well give the meta example.

[T S O]

Elyse, what response did you expect?

[T S O]

Scum can protect scum and push town as well, I have no idea why you'd feel that can't be true.

[T S O]

You literally didn't answer one question. That's impressive work.

[T S O]

-Can you quote, or point out, or make some sort of attempt at showing where I have been "jumping all over the place?" I think this is the fourth time I've asked, and you continue to disappoint.
-The way you're grouping scumteams is idiotic. This isn't me being arrogant or something, it's the truth. But we can simply wait until postgame for it to be shown up, so I digress.
-Do you actually believe Klingon is scum? Or is it some ill-founded attempt to further your scumread on PS? If it's the latter, please get the fuck off the wagon now.
-Why are you voting Klingon? I want specific reasons.
-Do you think that the way you continually attempt to pressure flip conversations is indicative of your alignment?
-In post #1514, you say that I'm unvoting Klingon because of her alignment, but it's not clear why. Can you expand on this scenario in detail? It seems like the best reason to scumread me you have, yet you're curiously reticent about it.
-If my arrogance is blinding me, then why are you currently sheeping my reads and voting Klingon?
-Is it difficult to reconcile your scumread of PS with your apparent scumread on Klingon?

I am not answering the first question unless someone else asks me

Do you really think this will deter me? There are many people in the game who'll do this if I simply request it of them. The only thing it does is buy you time to formulate a decent-looking lie.

I also appreciate you answering nothing at all. It turns out I had overestimated you. I had predicted that you'd attempt to answer

something

, but evidently you decided it just wasn't worth maintaining the facade. An admirable choice, if foolhardy.

because I think everyone else sees what I'm talking about.

It's quite odd that you go to such efforts to not answer my question, if it's so obvious that everyone can see it. It's almost as if you don't have a response or something.

Do you legitimately not see that I'm not voting Klingon?

I could care less where you're voting at present. I'm asking you to back up the vote you made in the past. So far, you've shown a complete inability to do that.

If I was calling a scumteam right now, it'd probably be something like Klingon/EE/Alch/lurker that I haven't decided yet/lurker #2. I don't find many active players to be scummy right now.

Lurker pool is something like {PV, MOHIS, IAI, inte, TWIE}.

No, that's not it. Not even close, IMO. Too much lurk

The scumteam I'm calling has two lurkers. A scumteam you called here also has two lurkers.

You show that you are literally not able to keep up with your reads when you say things like this.

and Klingon isn't scum

So, can you explain the evolution of your Klingon read now? Because it gets more miraculous by the day. From not scum, to scum, to not scum again. I can't wait to hear the full story.

[T S O]

My god, Eagle's need for rope increases by the day.

[T S O]

Jaqen - link me your Spifflop case? You can quote it, but it's too late in the day for me to go foraging through your ISO for it.

[T S O]

I have Townreads of varying strengths on Garmr, Peregrine, AJ, Elyse, Other Head, and Eagle.

Why were you townreading Peregrine?

[T S O]

It's here.

Have a bucket at the ready for when you vomit.

~Spiffy

Excellent, I'll look at it tomorrow.

Also, commiserations to hiplop - I forgot to mention that previously.

[T S O]

What's your read on Eagle, Spiffeh?

[T S O]

I expected some justification for the vote or acknowledgement. Idk if someone said that to me I'd be angry and show them why they're wrong. Random just seems to be coasting by and shitty votes that he knows are shitty and doesn't care.

Well, yes, that's what you'd do, but we're talking about midget here. If he doesn't even hold himself to a reasonable playing standard, then why would you?

Interesting that Eagle jumps back on me after someone else votes there. He called me scum for something similar earlier in the game. I also thought he wasn't scumreading me that much anymore. Oh well guess he changed his reads completely again.

Unfortunately, this is indeed an accurate summary of what EE's been doing recently.

By the way, is TSO intentionally misrepresenting cases a thing?

Not unless I'm scum, or I feel that it's a weak case in comparison to a better case that I'm championing.

Typically I assume it is something that is not alignment indicative but based in everyone's reaction to him, I assumed he was an excellent player who was careful and deliberate to make sure he had everything.

Oh you, stop making me blush.

Do you believe this to be a poor assumption on my part, or is the fact that he seems to be pretending to be dumb a sign of his alignment?

Neither. There's no misrepping going on. Even if there was, the simplest way to prove this would be to

answer the questions I'm asking you.

It's the quickest and the most effective way of proving your point, if you have one.

But, aside from that - what cases have I been misrepresenting? I'm backing the Klingon one, and I have yet to comment on any other significant ones, such as Spifflop. No idea where you're getting this from either.

Unvote
Vote Klingon

A good vote, and good posting before it as well.

Dont worry, I'm nowhere near as cocky as I sound. But I have noticed, at least in this game, when I don't act cocky or arrogant, arrogant people try to manipulate me and talk about me like I'm a bug to be observed under a microscope. I'm not about to let that continue to happen, and because of this I'm not interested in giving TSO the respect he refused to give me.

I have no idea where this hostility is coming from - I play Mafia in an aggressive manner when it necessitates it. Your failure to respond to me in any way is obviously going to spark a certain level of derision. The solution to this is simply to answer questions that people ask you.

If/when he's ready to not be shit head to dapper

Jaqen threw the first punch by calling my early game bad, and we've since agreed to discuss it in postgame. In what part of this am I being a shithead?

I'm not answering his questions before then

Can you give me a specific timeframe when you

will

, then? It's not that hard to do. And they're eminently answerable questions, in the event that you are town.

especially since he's asking questions about a vote on Klingon that lasted a whole couple of hours.

Surely you see that the length of time your vote lasted doesn't magically negate the need for its reasoning to be explained.

TSO- are you math saavy?

Fairly, yes.

I've been kinda sorta fast reading, but I really haven't seen TSO misrep anything. Granted, I have been sorta skimming you, because you have no idea what you're talking about and it gets kinda tiring having to read that. I know what you've said. I just don't put much stock in it.

I wasn't counting you actually reading it. Just his past. And I wasn't asking about this game. More about past experience.

Again - I fail to see what case I could have misrepped this game. But, to answer your question - no.

He seems rather stuck on my "throw a bunch of names at a wall" post. Which is interesting. I don't think I like it. He also seems more obsessed with me as scum then he does seem actually reading me.

It was a very poor post. I do not think anyone in the game will disagree with that verdict - multiple people have echoed it. I have to admit, I am still vaguely torn on your alignment. AJ and I shared very similar reads in YCBA III, with solid success. Her strong townread on you does give me pause. But the way you continually evade actually responding to me is pretty bad.

But he also seems rather defensive about how I brought up that he jumps around a lot. Which, by the way, is in reference to how his catch up posts seem to skip things.

Well, it's nice to finally know what the phrase means, if a little anticlimactic. Assuming this is true, which I am honestly too weary to argue about, do you feel it's something that I'm more likely to do as scum than as town? I fail to see how this is so.

Also, for some reason I think he thinks I wanted Klingon dead.

Yes, usually this is the assumption I make when somebody votes a leading wagon.

Or that my vote wasn't just for reactions, which should have been rather apparent

It was in no way obvious to me. It's possible that it was to others, but I didn't see anyone else pick up on the subtext either.

I know I at least stated that I did not really believe Klingon was scum here:

3. Yes. I one hundred percent can put it off on you when I voted her, and I did. You know why? Because both of you were WAY too confident she was scum. I was pretty confident she wasn't. She might be, but she probably wasn't. So no, I didn't flip my read on her. I've read her as null:town and null:scum alternating for a while now, but the vote on her did not reflect a desire to see her lynched. It was a reaction vote. I wanted to see what you would do.

What reaction were you expecting to get from this, and what did you think it could tell you about ...whatever you thought it would? I have to say, I don't really know where this is going at all.

I also don't like how he seems to manipulate me: you're a good player, but you play like trash that holds town back oh wait you won't respond to me because I'm being an arrogant jerk who won't read the thread? Oh. You're definitely a trash player then. I'm sorry I said you might be good. Correct me if I'm reading this wrong anyone.

I would also support people correcting this - these events are totally fictional. You're inferring things that don't exist.

Klingon's most recent pushes have been on weak players, lurkers, people who she knows are quite vulnerable. Pip, inte, that sort of thing. The pushes also suck ass, for what it's worth. This sort of horrible opportunism when close to death is not what Klingon-town would be doing.

Pip will flip Scum.

Inte, yeah, that's weak, but I get pissed off when the game's fairly intense and someone dicks it up with a prodge. Why sign up for a game that's gonna last until spring just to prod dodge?

Can you explain your top scumread to me, coherently and concisely? I'm sure that, if you flip town, you'd like this information to be well known.

AJ is probably town, really. I'd like to talk to her about Eagle - I never felt she expanded on that townread enough.

I simply do not see Exxy's posting as sour. There is also the fact that prior to the Spiffyloppy counterwagon to Celty, there was an Exxy counterwagon to Celty. Almost identical names, even. That is as much as I can really say.

I admit, I didn't notice this. I'll take a look at it later.

tso with the heat

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

I should probably make my way through the 20+ pages, and I think I will, but for now I'm selling my vote to the first person to request it. Be like a jump start, perhaps.

Alchemist. What part of this made you think town?

It was light-natured, and I don't see scum just blatantly giving away their vote to the first person who asks.

This is a pretty poor reason to townread Peregrine.

I promise I'm a good person who tries to work with people, so I'm really sorry to the people I've been a jerk to, namely spiff, tso, Elyse, and anyone else. My reads over the past few days are probably also garbage since I haven't been able to read like I want to nd they've been disgustingly sporadic and poorly researched. Which is why I put my vote back in Elyse.

It's fine. Mafia is a heated game by nature, and it happens to us all. I'm still going to require answers to what I've been asking you, though.

[T S O]

Sorry for the walls, guys.

[T S O]

I do try to be succinct in general, but sometimes evils such as walls are necessary.

[T S O]

Klingoncelt (8): Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, T S O, Aunt Jemina,Spider Gwen,
Spifflop (3): grapes, Dapper Stranger, PeregrineV
Elyse (2): randomidget, Extrapolated Eagle
Alchemist21 (2): Shiro, Varsoon
------------------------------------
Passionate Storm (1): Alchemist21
Shiro (1): My Other Head Is Scum
Errantparabola (1): I Am Innocent

Not Voting (5): inte, Klingoncelt, Errantparabola, Aneninen, TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

The cut-off point shows all the wagons that have a chance of success. In reality, neither Elyse nor Alchemist is being lynched today, and Spifflop is highly unlikely to happen either, but I'm being generous. As it stands, there are currently 8 people at minimum whose votes are useless. Move them somewhere they matter.

Klingoncelt is a delightful wagon which is sure to net you some towncred.

[T S O]

I'm trying to emphasise that people like random are going to sort themselves out without any real discussion needed on them.

[T S O]

Random, do you think you can form a coherent reason for why you're not voting Klingon? Normally I wouldn't ask you for something likes this, but it

is

rather important.

[T S O]

EBWOP: like this.

[T S O]

It's curious how difficult it is to get you lynched this game, Klingon.

[T S O]

If we've got a vig - you need to shoot the lurkers. You don't need to shoot consensus scumreads, and you

definitely

don't need to shoot that one person who everyone else is townreading, but who you're convinced is scum.

[T S O]

Damn straight.

I'm going to go out and say it - the Peregrine spot is a black hole where no content will ever emerge. Left alone, this black hole will expand as other bright stars are cruelly extinguished, and in the final days it will cause a universe-shattering explosion, dooming us all.

The point I'm trying to make here is that, if this game somehow goes to LyLo - slots like PV's should not make it there, because you can guarantee they'll be town, and that they'll be the game-losing mislynch.

[T S O]

TWIE, vote Klingon? We both know it's the lynch that'll happen today, and I'm sure you'd love to save a few useless days.

[T S O]

Consider it a proxy vote through me, then.

[T S O]

The votecount will essentially read as me having two votes. Our names are even similar, so people will be understanding about it.

[T S O]

Exciting times ahead.

[T S O]

Well, Jaqen, how is your early game looking now?

[T S O]

I propose we lynch in the pool of {Alchemist, random, grapes} today, seeing as that was Spifflop's pool of scum.

[T S O]

Pip seems like a low-information SK kill, probably because he was transparently town.

[T S O]

Why are you voting Errant, Eagle?

And yeah, any time soon is fine. I'd like answers, but it's less urgent now that Klingon's finally been lynched.

[T S O]

Varsoon - your period of absence is up. You need to start playing, not tossing out Skywalker quotes.

[T S O]

True, but that was only because they were agreeing with me. I still agree with the statement, but it was also said to ensure maximum focus was upon Klingon.

[T S O]

I could easily see scum-Jaqen balancing his desire to not stand out from the crowd with his desire to keep his team's Encryptor alive, and deciding that the latter outweighed the former.

[T S O]

I also think that Fresh's stances have been a little odd - I didn't really like his answer to the Klingon-Spiff issue I was prodding him about, nor was I enthused about the way he apparently was always scumreading Klingon, but decided to let Jaqen trumpet the Spifflop wagon instead, right until it was 100% certain that Klingon was going to die.

[T S O]

My thoughts on the Serial Killer is that they're probably one of my townreads, but I don't plan to go SK-hunting any time soon, so meh.

[T S O]

AJ is probably town, really. I'd like to talk to her about Eagle - I never felt she expanded on that townread enough.

I simply do not see Exxy's posting as sour. There is also the fact that prior to the Spiffyloppy counterwagon to Celty, there was an Exxy counterwagon to Celty. Almost identical names, even. That is as much as I can really say.

Talk to me about this? Going back through votecounts, I can only find one EE wagon at 4 votes, and it seems to contain many of my townreads, and very few of the names on the Spifflop counterwagon.

[T S O]

My thoughts on the Serial Killer is that they're probably one of my townreads, but I don't plan to go SK-hunting any time soon, so meh.

Why so sure on SK?

Kill flavour seems to fit with Spifflop being shot as a Mafia kill, and Pip being stabbed as the SK kill.

[T S O]

That said, in YCBA II Jason's SK flavour was an execution. But, being stabbed remains standard SK modus operandi.

[T S O]

Isn't it essentially the same thing?

What's your alternative explanation, then?

[T S O]

Is the bird real? I'm not sure what the objective of being coy is - once you go past a certain point, you may as well just come out with what you mean.

[T S O]

Grapes is either scum, or playing the worst towngame ever.

[T S O]

She's quite unlikely to be scum, Jeanne can feel free to pursue that but I'd rather it not detract from the things we're currently talking about.

I don't particularly remember scumreading Errant, not sure why you're pushing that.

[T S O]

See, I really like Elyse as town this game for posts like the above.

[T S O]

On a less positive note - at least three slots in the game remain contentless black holes of lurk and sadness. Continually prod dodging and declaring V/LA does not a player make.

[T S O]

Because Elyse bleeds town, and the odds of Jeanne being right against multiple highly competent players is slim to non-existent.

[T S O]

I'm personally taking things slow right now - I have no intention of sanctioning a quicklynch until I sort a few things out.

[T S O]

I'm not saying it's impossible that I'm wrong and she's right, but I can see many things that point me towards Elyse-town, and Jeanne hasn't produced a single coherent reason that explains why Elyse is scum.

Which is fine, because nobody starts off getting everything right. But she can't expect to be a prominent voice until she can do that.

[T S O]

I'm going to bed, but I'm leaving this post as a reminder to myself that there are a number of reads I need to make my mind up on.

[T S O]

One day, I'll play a game where my reads are proven to be better than someone else's, and that other player will actually fall in line, instead of accusing me of being scum/SK. It's not going to be this game, however.

[T S O]

I also think that Fresh's stances have been a little odd - I didn't really like his answer to the Klingon-Spiff issue I was prodding him about, nor was I enthused about the way he apparently was always scumreading Klingon, but decided to let Jaqen trumpet the Spifflop wagon instead, right until it was 100% certain that Klingon was going to die.

Getting used to a hydra. Trying to be respectful to my partner instead of just taking over and doing what I want.

So in turn, your partner just took over and did what he wanted?

[T S O]

It's even more bizarre that you're calling me scum, because I alone am not pushing your lynch right now, and making my mind up in regards to where exactly I want to go today.

[T S O]

I don't think the last six pages has really changed my mind on anyone.

[T S O]

Alchemist is someone I'm definitely considering, Shiro. I'll need a while before I decide fully.

[T S O]

Do you have any reason why she's more likely to be scum hardbussing, rather than town who just thought Klingon was a scumfuck? Because I thought the latter, and I'm town, so I fail to understand why Titus couldn't be the same.

[T S O]

hey what if both of you stopped posting though.

I came here to post this. The only thing you two are doing is clogging the thread. Kindly shut the fuck up.

[T S O]

I did read it all, but didn't think the slip was obvious, if it's there at all. I'll discuss it with you, but I don't want to hear about it

at all

for at least a few hours.

[T S O]

Dapper Stranger is at L-3. I repeat, I want more time. Do not put him near L-1, in risk of quickhammer.

[T S O]

Garmr, Spifflop is dead. Do you mean grapes?

[T S O]

Eagle - remember when I said that you didn't have to answer the questions immediately? That wasn't an invitation to ignore them, and I'm getting really fucking tired of attempting to withhold judgement on you.

[T S O]

I have began to get lazy about my reads. I'm vaguely wary of calling all of Alchemist, Eagle and Dapper scum - I feel like at least one of them is town playing poorly. Similarly, grapes. There are definitely two scum in that pool, and normally I would advocate chainlynching through them, but I'd really rather we get this one right the first time.

[T S O]

Excellent!

The angle you're pushing with Gwen/PS scum is wrong, by the way. You're letting your anger cloud your vision.

[T S O]

The only two people I have left to sort are EE and Garmr, as far as I can see.

[T S O]

Thoughts off the top of my head - Klingon made a readslist at one stage where she called TWIE null for lurking and inte scum for lurking. This points to one of them being town, and one of them being scum.

[T S O]

For quick reference, it's here.

[T S O]

An Alchemist scumflip would make me feel a lot better about this game. It would confirm Shiro as town, for one thing. If Alchemist doesn't flip scum, that entire counterwagon and Shiro in particular should be looked at with a cold eye.

[T S O]

Scumteam is still something like Klingon/Dapper/Alch/grapes/{inte/TWIE, not both}. Eagle is an outside bet, and the next person after those who should be lynched.

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

[T S O]

I feel a little unwell about the way Alchemist is so nonchalantly voting Dapper. It's a very atypical bus.

[T S O]

Though, aside from Alchemist, the Dapper wagon is definitely well constructed.

[T S O]

What the current situation feels like, if I had to guess, is that Dapper is struggling like a caught fish because his team aren't in a good enough position to pull this game off without him. So there's, again, at least one lurker on the team (grapes) and maybe a second (one of inte/TWIE).

[T S O]

The townreads on Aneninen, for one person, bother me a little - he's pushing a really poor angle on Gwen here. Anyone who's pushing PS/SG scum right now is scum or bad. I do not think Aneninen is a bad player.

[T S O]

Town:

TSO
Elyse
Passionate Storm
Aunt Jemima
Shiro (if Alchemist flips scum) If Alch is town, bottom half of null.

Nulltown:

Spider Gwen
Varsoon
Errantparabola
randomidget
My Other Head Is Scum

Null:

PeregrineV
Extrapolated Eagle
I Am Innocent
Aneninen

Nullscum:

Alchemist21
{inte/TheWayItEnds}(one of the two)

Scum:

grapes
Dapper Stranger

[T S O]

Scumteam is still something like Klingon/Dapper/Alch/grapes/{inte/TWIE, not both}. Eagle is an outside bet, and the next person after those who should be lynched.

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

Amendment to this post. Before you lynch Eagle, you should probably lynch I Am Innocent. In the event of an Alchemist scumflip, definitely do that; if not, you should probably do it anyway.

[T S O]

The most controversial read there is probably randomidget as nulltown; I have a curious feeling about that one being correct.

[T S O]

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

considering how late in the day his wagon cropped up, i don't think that's the best place to look for scum

So where do you think is the best place to look for scum?

What's your read on Dapper?

[T S O]

I apologise for somewhat spamming the thread; I find that that just vomiting my thoughts allows me to be more coherent in my end product.

[T S O]

Scumteam is still something like Klingon/Dapper/Alch/grapes/{inte/TWIE, not both}. Eagle is an outside bet, and the next person after those who should be lynched.

An Alchemist scumflip makes Shiro very town, and makes Eagle look better. An Alchemist townflip all but confirms grapes as scum. You should definitely lynch Alchemist after Dapper. Hopefully, I'll be alive to push it myself, but in the event I'm not, precaution must be taken.

Then take the precaution now and reasses with Dapper confirmed town after flipping.

Alchemist looks very scum; there's still definitely a lurker or two as scum; Eagle looks way better; Aneninen gets promoted; townreads such as PS become downgraded.

[T S O]

Your words would probably carry more weight with me if a) I didn't think you were scum, and b) you'd been right and I'd been wrong d1, Jaqen.

[T S O]

VOTE: Dapper Stranger

L-2, by my reckoning.

[T S O]

Also, for what it's worth - I think scum feel a bit disjointed today as opposed to yesterday, and I think that this could be due to the removal of daychat.

[T S O]

I'll talk to you, Jaqen, but I don't really see my mind being changed.

[T S O]

I have re-evaluated my reads; I'd be interested to see a complete set of your reads assuming you're town. I don't need you to explain each one, the format I've used is fine.

[T S O]

You know that everyone has settled into their stances by now, and the only thing needed now to progress the game is a flip. Delay simply causes apathy.

I advertised caution because I needed to get my reads in order. And I have. I've vomited a huge amount of content into the thread in the last day or so, and I've caught up to where I want to be.

[T S O]

Final note on my original readslist - that's where I'm at right now. If one of inte/TWIE flips scum, promote the other to a high nulltown. If one of them flips scum, downgrade the other into scum.

I realise that Garmr isn't in this readslist. I admit, I find Garmr difficult to read - but if I had to guess, he's town. He's probably a nulltown read right now, but I felt it relevant to amend my readslist with this.

[T S O]

TSO im kinda disappointed.

Im pretty town today.

I know, I know, but let's be honest; no real content. You haven't done anything that you're remotely incapable of doing as scum.

Merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Yule/or-whatever-you-celebrate-now Everyone!

Christmas.

Titus really can you please explai nto me at least why would anyone in their right mind go ahead and kill spiflop after what happened yesterday ?

There are point floating around that scum feel disoriented because their best player Dapper is about to get lynched yet nobody bashes an eyelash at how their kill choice was the worst thing that coul dhappen for dapper.

At the very least point to me how he scum claimed cause I don't see it

I agree, it's an odd kill, but I wouldn't fuss too much over it. The kills in general were odd n1. The important thing to remember is that Spifflop would have been pushing the same things we're pushing today.

Merry Christmas etc.!
Also Shiro vs. alch is probably opposite alignments.

This is a scum post.

"This is town v scum but I'm not sure which is which so we better lynch both!"

I love you, Elyse, but that's not a scumpost at all.

TSO usually lurks.

I have the third highest postcount in the game, from what I can see, and the two posters ahead of me are both hydras. I have no idea where you get this bizarre idea that I'm a perennial lurker - it's just flat-out wrong.

[T S O]

UNVOTE:

Hold up.

[T S O]

Being the best mid game puzzle solver you're going to die tonight if you're town.

I am hoping this doesn't happen, but recognise that it's possible-to-likely.

You need to leave a plan of action for when you are wrong today. Unvote, make and post that, and then do whatever you like. I'll happily laugh at you all from the dead thread knowing we still have the overwhelming majority.

I have no problem doing this. It's good practice. I'm still quite confident you're scum, but this covers any pitfalls.

In the event that Jaqen is town, lynch Alchemist tomorrow.

If town, lynch grapes. If grapes is scum, from there, lynch inte. If grapes is also town, along with Alchemist and Jaqen, then Jaqen's scumteam is probably the diagram you should be following.

If scum, lynch inte. If inte's town, lynch TWIE. If inte's scum, do not lynch TWIE, but rather lynch IAI.

In the event that Jaqen's scum, so likely, this diagram is useless.

Scum is this
Titus
Gwen
Sorry EE, but you too. I even pointed this out to TSO with the scum buddying scum thing. You and Titus were all over each other like a horny married couple and you'd just gotten home from a 2 year deployment. Then I pointed it out and you guys were at each other's throats again.
Varsoon isn't right
Neither is TWIE
And I disagree with you on Grmr as well. He's not playing like Grmr.

That's where I'm at. You should ask Fresh where he stands.

I will take this into account, but I can't see myself changing my mind until you flip. I'm sorry that it takes that, but it does. I also disagree with the concept of Titus-Gwen as a team completely. It's not scum-scum. I'll put my reputation on it.

Oh- and nobody write off TSO because his sig is true.

Oh you.

Also, for what it's worth - I think scum feel a bit disjointed today as opposed to yesterday, and I think that this could be due to the removal of daychat.

Wait. What? Are you

serious?

Have you ever even

READ A SCUM TOPIC?!!

Who are you and what have you done to TSO?

For the most part, people forget daychat even exists and the topic is only ever really used at night when they're talking about their night actions. Some with larger than normal egos also use them as their personal game diary. That's it. This is a horrible post.

I have been ripped apart by scum using daychat, I'm not sure I've ever lost as scum when I've had daychat. It's extremely potent.

So TSO, you ignoring me now or is that list for when you're wrong on us forthcoming?

I got off the computer because I had commitments.

@TSO
I mostly concur with your reads list except I'm reading randomidget as scum and I don't get the null town on My Other Head is Scum since they're probably the scummiest lurker IMO.

The Inte/TWIE point is a good one but I'm not really interested in looking at it soon. I'm hoping that will sort itself out.

Interesting to me how Dapper is turning on Eagle...probably a last ditch effort to make him look good before he flips or something.

I saw a read that Klingon made on MOHIS and it made me think they were probably town. I disagree with this.

What Elyse said

Fire and Vedith are most likel yscum

I played with both of them enough to know tha tthis is not town them. Like TSO just reember greater idea mafia. How Vedith played there, It is a carbon copy.

TSO Will you help me with alchemist tommrow if I help wioth dapper here ?

I didn't particularly analyse his scumplay there; his dayvig basically allowed him to escape my radar for my brief life during that game.

I am 95% sure that I will vote Alchemist tomorrow. I cannot give any guarantees, but it's quite likely.

@Storm

I dunno I prefer to let others judge me for such matter

Have some confidence, darling, it's attractive.

Our Reads

Garmr - town by ISO
I Am Innocent - null
inte - null/lean scum, AJ has a point on inte scum
PeregrineV - lean scum, why sign up if you're not going to play
Dapper Stranger - scum
Spider Gwen - town, mason buddy, friendly neighbor, cop, cop check target, just all around obvtown
Aunt Jemina - strong lean town, first to vote Klingon high push there
TheWayItEnds - town
T S O - town
Shiro - townbeard or scum, gun to head townbeard, we both have issues w Shiro's recent posting
My Other Head Is Scum - lean scum, posts such as 260 560 561 843 and 864
Alchemist21 - lean scum
Extrapolated Eagle - scum
Aneninen - null, lean alignment changer, not to thrilled about the fake clotid claim
randomidget - scum, for posts like no reasons I am scum
Errantparabola - lean town, EE voted him w no suspicion today
Elyse - Town
grapes - Strong scum lean for 224, 1004, 1948
Varsoon - Lean town needs more effort

Disagree with random, MOHIS and TWIE.

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VOTE: Dapper Stranger

I could care less whether you get a claim, because it won't matter to anyone, least of all me. Kill it.

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If you're scum, I'm sorry, but you must realise how textbook-scum your play on d1 was.

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*town.

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Dear protective role - I saw your crumb. Nicely done.

I hate to be selfish, but I'd really love to stay alive for tomorrow, so I'm going to request your services for tonight.

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Do you feel this line of questioning is productive? I don't. There are many times that NKA is useful - far more than most people think. This, however, isn't one of them.

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So, TWIE, any chance of an opinion on DS/reads in general? Because a lurker purge is imminent, and I'm sure you'd like to escape it.

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So, TWIE, any chance of an opinion on DS/reads in general? Because a lurker purge is imminent, and I'm sure you'd like to escape it.

by who?

the scumteam?

the SK?

this feels very much like the emptiest threat ever leveled at me.

By the town? This isn't an empty threat - almost everyone agrees that there's a lurker on the scumteam, maybe two, and I can't see a single distinguishing factor that would set you aside from that pool. Charisma is lovely, but it doesn't make you town.

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I'd reallllly like your reasons for randomidget town because everything he does screams scum to me. I'll hear you out because I could be conf biasing but I just don't see why he's town.

So, his play and votes in general suck, but that's not really indicative. I thought that the way he attacked Klingon for voting Alch was pretty town. That's a rather flimsy reason, and it's the only one I have, but I didn't think the manner in which he did it was something that he'd do as scum.

i don't disagree that klings vote could of been distancing

I am fairly sure it was.

Hmmm
You are making a good lot of sense and it would explain my need for one more scum on kling wagon.
Fine

Vote: Dapper

But alchemist needs to die next. Especially if you are wrong about Dapper.
L-1 if I am not mistaken
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Love you two grapes. But I feel obliged to ask. Why is that?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. Strongly disliked.
If Dapper flips scum, Shiro is definitely scum too.

So, you think that both Shiro and Alchemist are scum? They're not.

Merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Yule/or-whatever-you-celebrate-now Everyone!

Christmas.

That one then.
I celebrate Yule, although that takes place a bit earlier.

Are you a pagan?

Dear protective role - I saw your crumb. Nicely done.
I hate to be selfish, but I'd really love to stay alive for tomorrow, so I'm going to request your services for tonight.

^^
Good idea.

I agree completely.

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lol die

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Please. You fought the Klingon wagon because your gameview is wrong. What you're doing today is accepting that you were wrong on Klingon, but not attempting to alter the gameview that brought you to that faulty conclusion.

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How many times are you going to have to be wrong before your ego stops keeping you from playing with town?

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Maybe you're scum, maybe you're not. I'm not exactly sure. But so far you appear to be doing your best to play with scum.

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I will readily admit I have an ego. But it is very usually backed up by me being right. Consider this game - there have been three flips, and I have been extremely clear on my reads on each, and they've all been right. I would not be egotistical this game if I had been wrong multiple times.

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Where's a quickhammer when you need one?

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Jaqen's not the Vig, EE.

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It's probably going to be Garmr who has to hammer. Do it for me, darling.

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I'm going to bed, and it would be a lovely Christmas present if I woke up and saw that big red flip. Make it happen.

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Well, to put it bluntly, yes. In this game, scum are literally attempting to lurk the game out.

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You keep saying that, but it completely jars with the idea of Titus ruthlessly bussing Klingon. "Titus always protects her team and herself, except their Encryptor who they bussed the fuck out of". This strategy is completely incoherent.

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Merry Christmas to everyone. TWIE, what a glorious hammer that was.

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VOTE: Alchemist21

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I agree with you; we should never have lynched Jaqen before Alchemist.

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My reads are not as precise as they should be.

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My issue with this game is mainly that I have so many lurkers-slash-unknowns, like Varsoon/Anen, that I have no real way of sorting them with a reasonable level of accuracy.

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I agree with you; we should never have lynched Jaqen before Alchemist.

You want to know something? I hate how your words are reasonable but when it mattered, your actions followed your emotions.

No, I agree with you, to an extent. I didn't want the Jaqen push yesterday, but it happened as I caught up, and I was so lazy about it that I just went along with it, because he did seem to make sense as scum on a surface level. The whole Spifflop push was awful, his constant OMGUS - I don't normally call that a scumtell, but he blatantly OMGUS'd me, Gwen and Titus, and at least 2/3 of those are wrong - his ridiculous explanations for things (it's not a vig/SK, it's a 1-shot vig!!!) just made it easier for me to reconcile that with myself.

I spent a lot of yesterday saying how urgent the Alchemist lynch was to get, but did not have the moral courage to take a stand on it.

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You're going to get no answers off TWIE. He's playing that lurker game which makes impossible to distinguish him as either alignment. It's a dirty way to play, because when so many people do it like here, they know that town can't afford to burn policy lynches on them. If they're town, they get to do nothing, if they're scum they stay alive.

It's a pretty pathetic way to play Mafia, but everyone to their own.

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I really shouldn't be alive, I rarely live past d2 as town in Larges. I'm wondering why Gwen was killed instead of me. It's possible I was left alive to push the Alch lynch, but Gwen also wanted the Alch lynch, so I'm not sure that really matters. Perhaps they simply knew I'd have protection.

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I think I know why grapes was killed.