You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[ZZZX]

Yo boys

Anyone nice enough to give a tl;dr? if not i might have to skim though this madness

[ZZZX]

Alright kind of decent for a point of start here. I will start re-reading this as soon as possible (I find it ironic that I am asked to redeem a slot but since my slot had its share of hardlurking which i should be doing then I guess I am give it my all i guess. :>)

Anything in particular you want my non biased opinion before i start reading up?

[ZZZX]

Yes, ZZZX. There's one question.

If you were a Hider, and you were trying to play optimally, would you hide behind the person you thought was most likely to be scum, even if you hadn't crumbed it?

without crumbling?

Let me tell you i did that once at my really early newbie days

and i assume its the reason for the only blacklist i have on this site to date

so the answer is


No

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like there is only risk and really low gain out of it.

if you were correct u survive

otherwise you pretty much give scum a free kill

I dont see any reason not to crumble. there are 0 dangers and only benefits if you crumble.

[ZZZX]

Unless we have a clear note / crumble from our hider I believe we should just forget about it for now and go look for scum.

the last few pages which I am reading is hider this and hider that.

Counter Productive at best.

[ZZZX]

I will answer the question that were given to me (I read them all but I am kinda busy to quote all of them right now) tomorrow morning

but I need a few things to know about from Both Varsoon and TSO to start filtering people in and stuff

1- Can you list your biggest (2-3) town and scum reads with reasons? I'd like to compare between reasons and my iso-ing and see if I get anything interesting/etc

I had a few more questions but i cant remeber. its quite late in the night

-Z

[ZZZX]

Lets talk about errant and rm. Both have been relatively scummy recently. One has at least one person defending him, the other seems to have no one. One has been part of multiple lynches: avoided jumping on scum d1 until the last moment and then participated in town lynches. The other has avoided being part of most lunches and has generally been an all around da.

getting defended early on would be null. later on I expect that to be whiteknighting sometimes. scum wouldnt defend thier partners usually unless:
1- its reallyy close to lylo
2- scum team is about to go boom
3- YOLOAHAHAIDOWATIWANT
so you need to fill in the blanks for the defence

about jumping in lynches. that CAN be scummy btu it is not a 100% part. I dont think limiting options because of that part is good enough. also how fast did that person join town lynches? usually as scum u would never go half defending a teammate. u either go all in defending or all in busing when he is getting hit hard.
avoiding all lynches is null. maybe slightly town-leaning as my gut says

[ZZZX]

Page 120 and... is it me or is MOTHSS kinda flailing? o/.O

am kinda confused.

[ZZZX]

Liking TSO by page 121. reminds me of Revolution Mafia already

[ZZZX]

I doubt she hid behind a lurker as well reason being that hiding behind a lurker is really really risky. If a vig exists lurkers are prime targets.
She alongisde PS were scumreading both eagle and dapper. She also mentioned that she really wanted to lynch random. Assuming that after dapper flipping town and the assosiatives with eagle kind of weakened.

There is a fair chance that she hid behind random.

P.edit

@Fire remember warcraft 3 mafia ? He was the exact same lurking scummy person.

QUick question. Didnt we already conclude that the hider prob didnt hide or some magical bastard shit happened which we cant by any chance explain?

Or did I misunderstand something?

[ZZZX]

How long do you think it will take before TSO realizes ZZZX replaced inte?

[ZZZX]

Ok. Errant is my number one scum read. After that TSO and random. Errant because he's buddies people- he called spiff town for no reason and his friends appear out of thin air. Just town reads whenever convenient. He also showed interest in Elyse as counter wagon to Klingon(who flipped scum) but his interest last an entire post and then it disappeared into thin air after people started getting called out for it. His reads day one flipped back and forth literally in back to back posts and they flipped seemingly depending on who it looked like was under pressure. Yes also taken no strong stances on really anything and has lurked like shot since d1 ended.

buddying isnt scummy but I can understand the rest of the points. I will iso him soon and check for those points .

reading on.

[ZZZX]

Tso is scum because he somehow hasn't noticed my question about whether or not him having bad reads makes him scum based on a self meta even though I've brought it up multiple times. Yes also pushed lynches on town, and quick lynched at that, both of them. He is actually hunting lurkers now and keeps talking about guessing between one of three but also mentions that if his guess is wrong town can't afford to do it twice. So he admits he's wasting a town lynch if he's wrong. He also seems to not really look for scum. He's not defeated or looking at his reads and where he was wrong. He is avoiding questions about errant and has done so since d3. He isn't avidly and openly defending anyone. But I can quote where he's directed people away from wanting to lynch actually scummy players. He spam posts his thoughts in the thread and runs over town. Which isn't necessarily scummy, it's just anti town. Je has also misrepped and blatantly lied about me on a couple occasions and refuses to acknowledge points where he's wrong, he just straight up ignores them. Tl;dr he wants to waste town Lynch on lurkers and not willing to consider other places.

I didnt exactly get this point. quoted it to re-read it later piece by piece

if what i understand now is right is that he.... lynched town? the tl;dr doesnt match with 3/4 of the post but I see some of your point. But I have seen it happen with him as both allignments. Will look at it in depth. Sorting TSO out should be one of the easier parts of this game.

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aneninen because he still has his wits about him and he's not associated with anyone

Isn't not associating with anyone usually a scum thing? since scum want to be disconnected fr as many people as possible?

[ZZZX]

Titus because conftown,

I assume town-by-hider-investigation?

[ZZZX]

like i literally dont know how she could have made it more obvious?

why are you doubtcasting that result?

I aint. I am just confirming since I just replaced in.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX, thoughts on lynching MOHIS today?

I didnt read enough from him . So i need time.

[ZZZX]

yeah that post wasnt directed at you.

can you tell me ur current reads.?

[ZZZX]

What did you want to mean by that, IamInnocent?

I just answered the question i was asked. No idea which person it is who did what yet.

[ZZZX]

Fuck this, isn't it obvious that we can't conclude anything out of this topique?
Gwennie did or didn't do something and we can't figure it out. Let's move on period.

Thats basically what i said earlier.

[ZZZX]

Here. will read in a while today. gona game a bit first

[ZZZX]

I missed a day here and the first page is about people thinking weather to vig or lynch me. expecting em to get 130 pages worth of info while i replaced like 3 days ago (yeaaaa...) while I am not even the worst person here.

But I dont give a crap what others think. I will give my opinion when I am home and you guys can do what ever in fucking hell you want to do. Cus fuck that.

[ZZZX]

I mean, ZZZX is playing to his scum meta of lurking. I didn't expect ZZZX to solve the game, but I expected him to attempt to help out, rather than go back to lurking uselessly.

Just started the uni semister. and first two days were hectic. But I wont lurk this game. That much I will say.

[ZZZX]

I can see people null reading me or anything. But how would you get a fucking scum read on the little bit I did (or the older inte did). Elyse like... wtf?

[ZZZX]

Because most people have done things to look town, and hardlurking for close to 150 pages doesn't make you null.

Let me just prove you wrong a few times here. When i used to hardlurk as both allignment perhaps i was useless but that didnt make me any more town/scum than anything. replacing out is another pointer that its null here. How am I wrong?

is not playing "town-wise" by lurking scum? if that was true then mafia would be so easy.

If you disagree TSO then tell me. You know arguing here will help me get your allignment right. SO I'd be grateful for this discussion to start.

[ZZZX]

i dont know why you're having a hard time with this.

we're not gonna lynch mohis

because im reading him as town and whatever i say goes.

No. When I read him then I will see if he is town or not. and if my sight says hes not that I dont care ya sayin m8.

Fite me m8

[ZZZX]

Passionate Storm - town
Garmr - town
I Am Innocent - scummy but getting better
ZZZX (replaces inte) - scum
PeregrineV - who the hell knows, probably town
TheWayItEnds - town
T S O - town
Shiro - scum if EE isn't
My Other Head Is Scum - scum
Extrapolated Eagle - scum
Aneninen - town
randomidget - town
Errantparabola - could be scum but probably not with EE
Elyse - town
Varsoon - town

im not sure but if at this stage you town read everynoe except lurkers you are being played. can you tell what is wrong with this read list?

Because even if i disgard the fact that I have confbais for being town this readlist is like what?

[ZZZX]

Also the person (i believe) said its not a null kind of read so...

[ZZZX]

Garmr
I Am Innocent
ZZZX (replaces inte)
PeregrineV
TheWayItEnds
T S O
My Other Head Is Scum
Aneninen
randomidget
Errantparabola
Elyse
Varsoon

TSO
VARSOON
TWIE
PV(?not sure)
I am sure there is at least one scum in everyone else.

if game didnt end by then it is PV

I still dont have any clear scum reads. Will try to iso.

Also TSO its all chill. Game isnt done. and as long as we dont spam it to heaven I have already planned to fully catch up.

[ZZZX]

@TSO pretty rude considering that I have said that I am actching up and already have a semi read list in play.

Not something i'd expect from you usually is it.

[ZZZX]

Well i thought inte was hardcore lurking though @TSO

also claiming vanilla like a baws

[ZZZX]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZZZX

Cool.

Yeah cop/hider/doc/vig seems a little suspicious but I think it'll work itself out should it come down to it.

you arent even cop cleared. This vote is crap and you have to feel crap for it. Case me up at least

or case up inte

or do something useful

[ZZZX]

Also If we flip scum in IaI I am going for elyse next. pretty much stringing crappy posts following common wagon number 13

[ZZZX]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX
Why are you getting so hung up on my vote on you? You are admittedly a low content player who is most likely scum via PoE. Also why are you saying I would be scum with IAI? I was the one who voted for him yesterday and only unvoted because he claimed.

1- Because that vote is shitty and looked like you trying to find a way to save IaI. immedite unvote and revote of IaI when its hopeless proves that. which answers two of your question
2- Because according to number I prob did 3 times as much work as you per time I am here. Figures.
3- If you say 2 is a lie do the math. I didnt do them in detail but I can do enough quick calcs to see that I did at least double your stuff.
4- 50 posts are enough for you to at least craft a case or something that looks like it. Isnt it?
5- and last. DO I care how much inte lurked? or are you saying I should just shut the fuck up and stay in a corner while i get lynched because reasons? Because one guy didnt do shit thus I replaced in here and read for me to just watch ? Fuck no.

I am getting this shit won. That is what I shall

[ZZZX]

How was my unvote to save IAI? He claimed a role that was verifiable and I didn't think he would lie about it since that's pretty stupid.

The rest is you saying that you did more work than me which is laughable. I'm not saying you should accept your lynch but you literally admitted that having a nullread on you is justifiable and with a bunch of supposed conftowns, it becomes a game of PoE and you fit.

I literally said that you cant say I am nullreadable to be pushed as scum. Tell me if I said other wise

for the first question I have seen my share of those plays. a simple push like that needs only one or two guy to rail up and end up having one less ZZZX in less than 20 posts. I have seen my share of em blitz votes

and guess what? I dont care that I fit in the PoE.

Cus guess what?

You fit as well

so you are as fair game as I am.

Am I wrong?

[ZZZX]

Did TWIE clear ZZZX?

havent heard he did.

Did he?

[ZZZX]

Just dont lynch until tomorrow. I am going to do an iso today/tomorrow on PV/Ele

[ZZZX]

also I already claimed VT yesterday #3691

[ZZZX]

Ill post tomorrow with some thoughts. But in reality I dont have that much to say tbh. but if you want to wait then I will get somestuff out there.

-Z

[ZZZX]

Well I will just get it out: I am not invested in this game at all. That much is true. But if you wana lynch me for some other reason pretending its not that then you are scum and you must be lynched for it.

[ZZZX]

Not much to invest in when we have so many clears.

True

[ZZZX]

Well intent to self vote as while I am town I doubt anythinf I say would change anything but

Hammer me if you feel like it.

[ZZZX]

do it.

While I'm 99% nothing I do or say will change anything I don't want another deadthread shitstorm coming my way

[ZZZX]

The whole cop clear poe made this whole thing boring anyway