You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Aneninen]

VOTE: Elyse

As usual, dafuq I'm doing here. ^_^

[Aneninen]

post.

Answer.

I don't like the thread right now.

Why?

VOTE: Spider Gwen

That doesn't look like RVS. Why?

Pigeon poop.

VOTE: PeregrineV.
This is not a serious vote.
I propose we--aw, who am I kidding.

Intuition says she's scum.

I'm confused. Therefore sheep firebringer
VOTE: shiro

Was that an inside joke?

It doesn't look like RVS to me....not really much to explain there.
~Titus

It should be explained.

It's early enough, I can give you time and Jeanne wants to pursue AJ for awhile, but I got my eye on you.

Since when is provocation early in the game a scummy thing to do?
I'll be careful. Eagles don't fly well in storms.

Too many posts.
But don't worry, pigeons do.

[Aneninen]

9 f-cking pages?
I know where I won't PbPA ever.

[Aneninen]

The Eagle turns his head to see a tiny bird, calling his name.
...
Perhaps. Hopefully, we will not need to find out. But this is a good thing to keep in mind, friend. This is a good reason why I may need you yet.

I know it doesn't add us any content but I geuninely LMAOd when I was reading this post. ^_^

@51 both heads agree you look like scum. Jeanne's gut.

Anen is making a long post but it sheeps what is already done.

VOTE: Anen
~Titus

I was planning to give you the book titled How to Make out Plenty of Things out of Nothing for Christmas, but I think you already have that one.

It was more serious than RVS. That was my point. I just found it suspect that you pursued that instead of a non-random suspect. That's not what I expect from a town Titus. But I can see scum Titus being very cautious and feeling things out. An Anen vote doesn't change that.

You needn't get that book either.

Green, u want to post without knowing which head is which. Best to find scum first and establish ourselves as town.

More confusion. Just what I wanted.

[Aneninen]

100, 103, whatever. I feel like Laura. In the middle of the events without doing anything.

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

Oh, bolded FoS-es, I like them just as much as a 23 cm high Clotilde singing Kylie Minogue in my wardrobe. Luckily, I don't have the latter one. Need I have the former one?
By the way, I think that gameplay is just the thing I've expected from that Hydra.
Oh wait, let me be a hypocrite, shall you?

FoS: Klingonette

VOTE: passionate storm
literally only good things can come from wagoning this

FZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT

Frankly, am I the only one who's not scumreading that Hydra? See above!

VOTE: Aneninen
I agree with Titus that he looks scummy, but you can do her either.

As if you didn't know me, TSO.
By the way, hello again!

AuntJennina, your 128 is <3 vote included

Nothing in 142 actually matters that much... Eagle is probably town. I see where you got the whole non-voting shit from now.

I take that back. I don't think Eagle is town. More like null. UNVOTE:
Give me some time to think

WHUT?
Unvoting him after you modified your read from town to null?

First you vote for me in the sign-up thread and now here...

I bet you remember NeuroScience... you were so cute when I was after you and you were flailing all the time. What a pity that I dropped the case and lost the game to you later. Nevertheless, I want to see that again.

Good vote. I also thought something seemed off about Anen's tone. And as stupid as RVS is, Anen's RVS on me did seem kinda forced and safe as well.

Yeah, whatever I do it's scummy because it's not Aneninen-ish. But when it is, it's fluffy or wall-y or nullcontent-y or simply dumb.

Later posts. Itlepip and Spiffylop could be town.

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

What sort of pigeon poop answer was that?

VOTE: spifflop

Bad vote.

I feel you Anen I went to sleep and boom 9 pages

Are you scum or Clotilde?

________

Okay, that's all for now.
I'm shamelessly sheeping my strongest townread who's actually Spiffyloop. I don't think in a large Setup like this scums would get involved in early-fights eagerly, and from the little-content players Klingonette pings me the most.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingonette

[Aneninen]

None. That was for the whole Eagle/Passionate/Spider "dance".

[Aneninen]

You could be Clotilde.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

[Aneninen]

You could be Clotilde.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

I am already
Captain James Tiberius Kirk though

So you don't want to be Clotilde. How sad. I really wanted to establish a firm townread on you, but eh.

Who wants to be Clotilde?

[Aneninen]

Mobilpost.
Für Elyse and others.
I simply try to be funny instead of tiring and/or annoying. I obviosly need to adopt a better gameplay than I've had since the summer. That's all.
If you lynch me because of that, I'll stay alive in my next game longer. In this particular game I' m town.

Elyse. Do you want to be Clotilde?

I like this Eagle because of his style even if I don't know his alignment.

[Aneninen]

Oh by the way there was a game I got Day1 lynvhed in because of similar posts. If interested, I'll search for it.

[Aneninen]

10 more pages? Ohsheiße.

[Aneninen]

Who is Clotilde?

Do you want to be Clotilde?

P-edit: Search for it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=62686

First you vote for me in the sign-up thread and now here...

I bet you remember NeuroScience... you were so cute when I was after you and you were flailing all the time. What a pity that I dropped the case and lost the game to you later. Nevertheless, I want to see that again.

wish granted?

Not known yet. She doesn't seem to want to be Clotilde, which is not a good sign.

Unvoting him after you modified your read from town to null?

Is this a problem?

Unusual at best.

@errant
I've played with Anen before. Amidst all the pigeon weirdness he usually has some decent observations and votes. I'm seeing a difference in this game. I also dislike his willingness to provide self-meta of when he got lynched for similar reasons. He's aware of his own meta and could imitate it as scum and be all "look I acted this way when I was town see"

Wow-wow-wow, are you searching for a card in your hand pondering about what you deal next... Let's hope together it won't be the Regardless of Card, shall we?
Also, Elyse, since Kill all Townies I haven't had any game I played well in. (Yeah, I know I was outplayed in KaT but at least I tried everything I could... and it almost worked.) You can check it if you wish. My recent meta, therefore, is full of dumbplays and some tries that didn't work. In other words, I'm aware of it, of course, because I want to "pull together" something useful as a gameplay.

Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

See above!

I have a very bad feeling about this.
VOTE: Shiro

So... someone actually found that. ^_^

Alchemist, grapes, and Klingon would all be good wagons.

Where is Klingonette by the way?
(Also, I seem to have a parallel activity scumread on her.)

[Aneninen]

Going on later.

[Aneninen]

<3 (Nenny is sweet.)
In other news, Exxy (Extrapolated Eagle) is definitely sweet.
(Thus, the dual Nenny/Exxy wagons are both bad and at some later point will be examined for finding scum.)
Both heads of Spiffyloppy are also strongly sweet.

Why are we so sweet?

@AJ
Why are you townreading Alchemist? I've found his few posts scummy.

And yeah Kling deserves votes but parking a vote on him now is fruitless since he hasn't posted since his FoS.

To tell the truth, I had started developing a scumread on Elyse, because of her long posts (which sounded like the scumElyse I'd met), but this one is very town.
(1) If she were scum she'd be happy about Alchemist's vote on me and they could chase me together.
(2) She's right, Klingonette needs to post more and it looks like a perfect vote-parking place. Even if my vote is there, but yeah, I hope I'll find a better place for it.

(At this point I unvoted but when I saw Klingonette's later posts I thought my vote could stay there.)

Who said anything about a vote park? I'm voting Celty because I want her lynched.

Erm, that doesn't match your list posted in 364, and I don't think Klingonette could be a good "cornerstone" of scumhunting right now.
(In general, reading your posts is like talking on *Orzese*.)

Pedit: yay... at what point to we policy him for speaking in recognizable english?

At least three players are posting in a very weird style, eg. see above!

@Klingon, if everyone (or most everyone) backed off right now, how soon could you read the thread and share reads?

I don't think she'll get lynched without posting a readlist. This post came very early, according to the vote amount on her. I remember doing something similar as scum in another game...

You should be lynched for this comment. You don't back off from people in hopes they give content, you threaten them with the noose until they comply.

So, I wasn't the only one who had the same feeling.

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

Why? That one is rarely having a presence D1.

Erm... a man nods. (Am I doing this right?)

So clotilde was a princess that turned Christian turned her husband Cristian and then became a saint.

Not a historical Clotilde.
So, who wants to be Clotilde? Shiro? Klingonette? Elyse? Maybe SpideyGwenny, Eagle or Jeminah?

[Aneninen]

http://turtledove.wikia.com/wiki/Clotilde_Barford ??????
I dunno help me here Anen DX

Stop guessing. If you're town you have nothing to be afraid of.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

[Aneninen]

A man is explaining how this is just so. If a man is saying persons A, B, C, and D are scum and is wrong on B and D then it is providing common ground for persons A and C to share with the other two. Persons B and D, knowing they are falsely accused, are then susceptible to unwittingly playing for scum and a man's correct conclusions are thrown out as well.

A man understands another man's logic. But man should not forget that the example given above can provide more information if the reads are revealed.

[Aneninen]

Before posting anything else: I'm not alignment changing.
And anyone who told that I wouldn't be a good lynch if I were Masonizer

or Cult

is playing bad. If I were Cult I'd be the best Day1 lynch ever.

[Aneninen]

You don't make enemies of your town reads, at least not in my experience.

Have we met before?
By the way, I don't think I care a lot about getting friends or enemies.

Stop guessing. If you're town you have nothing to be afraid of.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

Then uhm sure, I am game

Hmmm... let me read a bit first.

By the way, Garmr looks town. His scumposting style is different, according to my experience.

im still curious why your strongest townread is scum, though, if you don't mind

???

mostly because 116 is a town post in the first place

What was so town in that post?

I think Anen has the alignment-changing ability the mod said was possible for this game. That or some kind of neighborizer/masonizer are the only reasons I can think he'd be asking about Clotilde. That alone makes him unlikely to be group scum at least. I still think he's snarkier here than he usually is; even the game he linked doesn't really have snark.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Varsoon

I don't like how he said him posting would be a bad idea. Varsoon, I want some of your thoughts on the game.

Was that enough reason for a vote?
Do you want to be Clotilde?

Why wouldn't I? If he can change alignments then he's probably not an immediate threat to the Town and not worth pursuing right now.

As I told, I can't change alignments. But if I could I'd be the best Day1 lynch ever. Although in this case I'd never post anything about my abilities.

i don't get it
i googled clotilde and it's either a saint or slave ship

...

No. I don't believe it.
You're gravely mistaken.

Do you want to be Clotild?

Varsoon, I want some of your thoughts on the game.

Why don't you take a look around? There's nothing I can do about it right now.
Soon I'll be dead, and you with me.

No, sorry. You can't be Clotild.
But this time actually... What The Pigeon Poop Was That???

extremely anticipated for this.

I wanted to say it before, but pleeeease post under your Hydra or quote-fix your slips. Thanks!

VOTE: PeregrineV.
This is not a serious vote.
I propose we--aw, who am I kidding.

Yes!
I feel the love!!

Do you remember that large game we met for the first time? You posted a long readlist. Can you do the same here?

You've already proven you can think ahead. What's to say that you didn't put your neck on the line just so that you can use this defense later?
I personally don't believe it, just want to hear your response.

Far too risky. I'm a horrible actor. I did try to gambit once as scum and I don't think I've ever been lynched faster, with the exception of my first couple mafia games - I was annoying as crap (still kinda am, I guess) and stupid and thought that everyone that voted me must be scum.
When I gambit as I have a hard time figuring out how to read people without cutting my options down too much. I haven't played scum much before.

If you're a terrible gambiter, why would you deliberately try a gambit to draw votes to me and suppose it would succeed?

I feel even worse for calling that a possible slip. This is a horrible post.

Eagle I am so sorry...

Which one was that horrible out of all those quotes?

Meh my scumread dissipated with your continued posts. I'm not really townreading you but I'm not interested in lynching you today. My concerns about your tone were eased by dealing with EE myself and your points have been good.

Was that for me or for someone else?

[Aneninen]

I meant to say "Anen" not elyse

Sorry, I mis-read the author of something.

[Aneninen]

I was talking to Garmr

Okay.
Do you want to be Clotilde?

[Aneninen]

Do you want to be Clotilde?

That's my job. Trust me or kill me. In the end, it'll come out the same.
I won't fail you.

Okay, I trust you. So, are you saying that Elyse shouldn't be Clotild?

Elyse if you're town, alignment claim

What sort of answer do you expect?

Varsoon's "I'll be dead, and you with me," line sounds familiar. Maybe his character says that? Either way I don't like his response there. A refusal to give his thoughts plus a threat of death doesn't sound like a Town mindset.

Hmmm... having been thinking about Varsoon I think I know what he's up to. And I can't see anything anti-town there. He may be useful later, I may be useful earlier. Or (as usual) I'm misreading everything.

[Aneninen]

Why so obsessed with Clotid?

Town.

What the fuck is clotilde

You needn't care. Varsoon will care about you.

oh good you might actually be town.

If that went for TSO, I have the same feeling about him.

Why would I vote a null read?

Why did you vote a townread before?

I really hate the Eagle wagon. He seems like lynchbait 101 to me.

I am feeling pretty cold about the Eagle wagon, he actually feels like the easy mislynch today for me.

I've been thinking about the same. Details will be given if needed.

Elyse's last post reads soo scummy to me...

Let Varsoon do his job.

EBWOP: That post didn't make any sense, sorry. Basically I missed a few posts, keep doing what you are doing, my post was more for the EE fence sitters like Elyse.

Town.

grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

Which two?

[Aneninen]

Let's just focus on town blocking.

Unvote
Vote Stormy

Lynch her! (I removed the other 44 "Lynch her's)

Too enthousiastic.
Haven't you played with Titus before?

I think Anen has the alignment-changing ability the mod said was possible for this game.

No. I don't believe it.
You're gravely mistaken.

Varsoon, I want some of your thoughts on the game.

Why don't you take a look around? There's nothing I can do about it right now.
Soon I'll be dead, and you with me.

What a weird post.
Are you posting in character/flavor, or do you have a tragic role?

Am I the only one who thinks this was Rolefishing?
Klingonette, do you want to be Clotild?

Before posting anything else: I'm not alignment changing.
And anyone who told that I wouldn't be a good lynch if I were Masonizer

or Cult

is playing bad. If I were Cult I'd be the best Day1 lynch ever.

Why did you underline

or Cult

?

If I were Cult, I'd be the best Day1 lynch.

Oh Shiro beat me too it. I noticed something late. Oh well.

FOS Alchemists

Now let's lynch Elyse

Watch the FoS. You know what that did for me.

You've got a point.

@Anen: I'm going to pass. I think it'd be more useful on someone else.

Naw. I start thinking you'd be the perfect Clotilde.

When I'm Scum nobody notices me on Day 1. When I'm Town everyone starts screaming for my head as soon as I make my first post on Day1.

Wrong. Crack in Time?

whos the scum on your wagon, kling?

Passionate Storm and itlepip for sure,
maybe you, AJ, &/or Elyse (Elyse is not looking like solid town right now.)
Aneninen, I never could read him, so maybe. The Cotilde thing is creepy btw.

The first two names are not scummy, nor Spifflop.
That's a hard question, though. You could be a good Clotilde too. Let me think.

(Answer for the previous post)

So everyone on your wagon....

Ehehehehehehehe!

I don't know why he would point out that he was a possible alignment changer role and then unvote him. Masonizer isn't alignment changing, cult is.

A', FINALLY someone!

Anen are you being cryptic on purpose?

Soon you'll know everything.

[Aneninen]

Gute Besserung für Grey.

Shiro. Curiosity kills the cat, you know. But, here's something: you're only the third best possible Clotilde now.

[Aneninen]

I am assuming kling and spider are the two above me?

To tell the truth, there's a third idea. I'm still thinking. (Were I a bit smarter!)

[Aneninen]

Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen to the Elyse is Scum post!

Varsoon will *dance* with Elyse and that's enough for me on Day1.

Birds of Prey for the win.

Nnnnnnnnnnn a Warbird beats a Bird of Prey any day of the week.
(You've missed some Fluff-eninen, haven't you?)

Somewhat disappointed that my catchup completely slipped under the radar. Does anyone have anything to say about it? I'll respond to the last 4 pages when I have some more time as well.

Nnnnnnnn I responded something if my memories are correct. Else I'm amnesiac or Charlotte.

also, short version is spifflops reads are fake
you'll get the long version after i see some responses

And this too. You seem to just be throwing things out. I want to see what you're thinking.

I must have missed that one from Grapes but actually it looks like pigeon poop.

Stormy's. That question is awfully loaded. It is only meant to make Eagle look worse. There was no interest in finding out his motives.

Nnnnnnn I can't see a ScumStormy here.

Why so obsessed with Clotid?

This is a scumtell for Titus. She pulled something similar in Organic Chemistry. She should know better than to ask this. This is fishing.

Whut?
They seemed to be utterly ignorant about Clotild and I actually liked that reaction.
I turn my time machine on and what can I see? You, looking in the mirror and gazing your Clotild-self.

My question wasn't an attempt to get votes off of Spider Gwen...I'm scumreading her myself. If you look at randomiget's ISO, it's basically empty. He's using his vote on Spider Gwen to coast through the game and not commenting on anything else. I don't have a problem with his vote, but the fact that he's using it as a shield.

Oh, is he in the game? Not a good sign that I ask that question from myself.

1. I've seen scum start wagons, scum hammer, scum sheep. I've also seen town do all these things. Sheeping doesn't equal town and I think that most people know that. From what I see, Elyse has been actually making poitns on here reads and that makes her accountable for them.
2. Not understanding number 2, can you explain
3. I also don't really see Elyse sidelining, could you point me to some things you've said about this?
Eagle I really honestly appreciate the effort you've put into this game. Doesn't make you town or scum, but I respect it none the less and I'm interesting in hearing your response to this.

NHHHHHH!
Who knows the feeling when you're observing a bird with a pair of binoculars and someone grabs your binoculars for a second and when they give it back to you, all you can see is the landscape instead of the cute little bird?
This post felt like so.

Also get out, Elyse. We're legitimately trying to find scum here. You wouldn't want to impede town from finding scum, would you?

Erm, how exactly this post matches your scumread on Elyse?

The Clotilde thing is driving me up a wall too.

Cool townies are willing to be Clotild. It's very "in" nowadays.

Titus' play was very strange. (So was Wgeurts' and LQ's.)

Why was the part in brackets important?

Are you claiming Town Doctor or are you talking about your role in Twilight Zone?

If you don't stop talking about Twilight Zone I'll start posting about padlocks.
(Warning. Padlocks have nothing to do with this game, according to my very limited knowledge.)

Klingonette, 790 Was that a readlist? And players keep telling that I'm useless.

Going on soon.

[Aneninen]

And I wasn't rolefishing. I don't give a fuck about your role.
Alignment, now that's another story. I'm hoping you're Town.

Oh shyt, you DO give a f-ck. You give a lot of f-ck.
You really want to know who Varsoon is and you really want to know who I am.

Starting to think EE is a Klingon scumbuddy.
~Spiffy

Details?

Erm, that doesn't match your list posted in 364

Yes it does.
The list I posted in 364 was a list of all the voters on you and Exxy.
It was not a list of all my scumreads.
Celty, for instance, was not among them.
The list in 364 augmented my reads; it was not the basis of them.

Okay for now.

If you are following that LOGIC (disregarding your personal reads, just the logic), would you agree proving Spitflop scum is clearing Celty in whole and soft clearing Elly at the same time? If so and if a man is just so in his evaluation will a lady work with a man for a day?

Another logic suggests that a man is trying to save one of those ladies.
Meanwhile intuition wants to Clotild.

ok i got up to page 15 before i said fuck it
whats the rundown and whos town?

876 was not a bad answer, but it was a partial answer.

Shiro is doing the same but more likely scum

Ok I wouldn't exactly call this

Beetlejuice?

Starting to scumread itlepip. Seems a bit dodgy. Might switch votes if spidey returns and interacts with me.

This is scum.

I've specifically asked your thoughts on the current wagons and situations and you ignore them. Instead, you basically giver Spider Gwen instructions on how to get you to remove your vote on her and threaten to switch it to itlepip, who isn't an option for today. You continue to hide behind your reads and refuse to give opinions about the current gamestate, which will allow you to tag along to whatever wagon you want as deadline approaches.

I didn't like that post either and this is a kind of nice explanation, why.

Why are you townreading me? I can understand why certain people are, but I'm not so sure about you.

Your infrequent presense matches the games we met and you were town in. As scum you were much more active (and I bet you remember that game). Caveat, on the other hand: there was a single game I replaced in and I remember townreading you but you were scum. However, that game was abandoned on early-Day2 because of a Mod error.

(1) like for instance, i want you and eagle to stop posting pages of nothing.
(2) and for garmr and eagle to stop arguing over fucking vocabulary.
(3) and for anenenenenenen to stop baiting people into talking about clotildedededed
(4) and for varsoon to stop baiting people with quotes for no reason.
(5) and for me to stop having to roll my eyes at this game every time i open it.

(1) Eagle could concise his reads but Storm have hardly posted anything considering the fact that Titus is there.
(2) That's not the most important thing anyway.
(3) That's not happening.
(4) Ask Varsoon but I think the answer will be the same as for (3)
(5) Good idea.

I'm sorry... what?

You seemed to have turned a quite definite post into a vague one.

I tell you what, as i'm in a good mood i'll give you a readslist tomorrow when i'm on my computer

Yippie.

[Aneninen]

Klingonette.

This seems to be off, but answer the question.

You're alone on a planet and come across me, a Romulan, alongside a Borg temporary disconnected from the Collective. You know that I'm able to "dissimilate" him and if I'm successful you may get back a long lost member of your crew. Your ship is available for beaming up but there's noone there (nor nearby) who could perform a successful "dissimilation". I'm severly injured, being me up may or may not kill me. You have a medkit. The Borg is obviously after me, and you don't know how long it takes to them to get me.

What are you doing?

(A) You kill me, no Romulan can be trusted and take the Borg with you. Something could be done to him in the near future.
(B) You kill both of us because it's a trap.
(C) You beam both of us up. It is worth the risk.
(D) You try to heal me on the spot, hoping there will be enough time for that.
(E) You ask for reinforcement and prepare for a groundfight.
(F) You ask for an away team consists of a doctor and a scientist. The doctor heals me, the scientists examines the Borg. If the Borg arrives you engage them to buy some time for all of us.
(G) You ask for a bigger away team to make it sure that I can be beamed up. Then you make me "dissimilate" the Borg and ask for ransom from the Romulan Empire.
(H) You beam me up. If I'm still alive you beam up the Borg too. If not, you leave him there.
(I) You kill the Borg because he's a traitor and leave me there.
(J) You leave without doing anything.

[Aneninen]

As for Star Trek, your answer was excellent.
As for this game, your answer was wrong.

[Aneninen]

A man is bashing his head in his hand wondering how this on is misinterpreting that a man is believing both ladies town and is explicitly trying to save both.

Why a man is thinking Klingonette is town?

Aneninen, shiro, and varsoon, are you two planning on taking part in a lynch today? Or is that a bad idea/

We two? Maybe the other two. As I've told it before, I'm not interested in an Elyse lynch Today.

@randomidget; Do you have any reads yet? Anything you wanna talk about?
@Extrapolated Eagle; Could you please try to be more concise with your posts? Honestly, I do skim/skip them a lot because not only do you have lots of posts, but most of them are pretty big ones. Yes, a 20+ player game is going to mean a lot of reading, but that also means you shouldn't be making needlessly excessive posts.
@TSO; Talk about Varsoon with me? If I'm missing something important about him I'd like to know, otherwise I think he's pretty scummy here and I get the sense you were Townreading him based on what you said.

???
There's been so many things happening and are you asking these?
Randomidget about his reads – why him? Why not anyone else?
Eagle – yeah, that's true
TSO – it's good that you want to speak to him but why about Varsoon? Plenty of us are townreading Varsoon.

Anen is Town if he's not some 3rd party (also, for the people saying I should have kept voting Anen if I thought he was a cult-type role, he's asking people to be Clotilde which I'm assuming is a name or title and would mean he can only have himself + that one person with him, and is therefor not a an immediate threat if he is a cult recruiter).

That makes no sense.

I don't have an opinion on Klingon or Gwen because everything about them has just felt like noise to me. I think I understand the Klingon wagon, but I never got the Gwen wagon.

This doesn't add up either. Either you have a read on those players and in that case you must have an opinion about the wagons too, or you don't have any reads (which would be strange) but in that case you wouldn't understand the wagons at all.
Also, besides Varsoon who are your scumreads?

Varsoon is Luke Skywalker and he will never go to the Dark Side, so Varsoon's Town and that's all that matters. I truly do not a single fuck give about his role.
As for you, bucko, I'm not the one that's dangling Clotilde in front of everyone. I want to know who she is, not what you are.

I still strongly think you do care about both of us.
If I said you wouldn't be Clotilde, would you be happy?

death in family might be a little more absent than usual for a few days. will try to still post if i can

We all feel sorry for your loss.
Even if the whole game is about shouting at each other, waging flame wars against each other, making others upset and getting upset because of others, at moments like this I hope you can feel that you're amongst friends after all.

Klingonette, there are contradictions in your 947. Eg. TWIE is null, Inte and PeregrineV are scum for similar reasons. SpiderGwen seems to be the strongest townread of yours and it's based upon your Passionate read.

[Aneninen]

I won't be able to post today because of being too busy IRL.
(Consider it as a 1-day-V/LA.)

[Aneninen]

I'll catch up later today.
If there's anything I should answer or examine fast, please tell!

[Aneninen]

I'll catch up later

today

tomorrow.
If there's anything I should answer or examine fast, please tell!

Sorry for being useless.

[Aneninen]

Catching-up.

Firstly, Dapper's 958. I see your points, but have you considered they're a hydra? (I've just started cathing-up, sorry if this has been pointed out.)

What doesn't make sense about my explanation for the cult thing?
And lastly, if I had other scumreads besides Varsoon I would have said so in that post.

I've explained it a couple of times. The sooner the Cult is out the better it is.
And I still can't get it why Varsoon is your only scumread.

Random's readlist in 966 contains just as much information as a cubic metre of deep space contains astatine.

Also,
UNVOTE:
VOTE: spifflop
Doesn't look like spidey is happening today.

Eeeeeeeeeeek!
I'm quoting Antihero right now:

al;kdjfal;kj !!!!!

UNVOTE:

Alchemist's 984 is a DAFUQ, especially the vote.

________

Okay, it's simply not working with 20+ pages to read.
Anyone, anything I should be aware of?

(Right now I'm willing to move my vote back or Randomidget or Alchemist.)

[Aneninen]

Unexpected V/LA for today because of medical reasons. Sorry!

[Aneninen]

I'm terribly sorry for not being able to be here for a couple of days, which has actually happened because of previously unseen reasons.

Since it seems to be impossible to catch up and pay attention to everything, I'd like to ask the following players to summarize the recent events.
Passionate Storm, Spifflop, Spider Gwen, Klingonette, Varsoon, DapperStranger.

I hope at least some of them will post something. (The list is not random, it's based upon suspected activity and my former reads, including town and scumreads too so that I may remain unbiased.)

Thanks!

[Aneninen]

Firstly, I'm not feeling the Klingonette wagon anymore. Another game has just ended, Klingonette was scum there and these posts don't match those.

@Anen
I would like to ask for you assistance. There is a very good alchemist wagon but it is all weak and starving it needs YOUR help to feed it so it can become BIG and STRONG.

Checked it and it's not a bad idea at all.

Get on Spifflop and magic is happening. All it is taking to happen is votes.

Apart from the inconsistence which could be the result of being a Hydra what else is against them?

This one is missing nothing really. The only thing of note to a man is Spifflop being mostly absent and letting that one's heat fade to other players while he is hiding out.

Have you checked the parallel activity of both heads?

Random is Kling 2.0

?

Random is Kling 2.0

Except unlike Kling, I am willing to work with people!

Eeiiaao?

only 4 more to lynch kling. Calling all people to lynch kling.

Are you that sure about it? Check the first part of this post. You were there. You were scum with her.

VOTE: kling
i still think an alch wagon is a LOT better
but as people have said, people aren't going to change their minds anytime soon

Pigeon poop.

Gahhhhhhhh do I have to? I'll do this later. Feeling a bit lazy lol

^^
Townpost. (It was a response to my 1832.) Details will be given if needed.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Alchemist

Where's Spider Gwen anyway? She's willing to be Clotilde, isn't she?

[Aneninen]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64309

[Aneninen]

actually she said feel free to target her with it.
but that you would be wasting it.

As far as I can remember I've never revealed what getting Clotildized actually does to a player. Weird.

Is this one just trying to find a reason for not getting on the Spiff wagon? If so, just say as much. What is or isn't happening in another ongoing game is having nothing to do with this game. Neither head was v/la at the time. Hipplop was absent for aforementioned reasons; not so with Spoffeh.

I don't think they're scum.
By the way, I remember a game long ago where I didn't post for a while because I felt there had been a shytty case on me. What if they're doing the same? (Oh, TSO must remember that game quite well. ^_^)

Also Anen's catch up was really underwhelming and I expect a lot more from him.

To tell the truth, Dapper, I don't think a scum-Spifflop would post things like that about a player who's clearly unwilling to vote for them.

Oh shit no. Dapper's Scum too.

Explain, please!

seriously how the fuck do you people have town reads on varsoon.

Why do you have scumreads on Varsoon?
Do you want to be Clotilde?

If we've got a vig - you need to shoot the lurkers. You don't need to shoot consensus scumreads, and you

definitely

don't need to shoot that one person who everyone else is townreading, but who you're convinced is scum.

Well said.

didnt say you were null said you'd sort yourself out

Must have been someone else then.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: klingoncelt

Error 78904. Consistence Not Found.

[Aneninen]

Also Anen, scum are saying the darnedest things. You are pointing this out somewhere before. Interesting that you are now reporting X can't say Y as whatever alignment.

Explain, please!

ANEN WHAT IS CLOTILDE DX

Not what. Who.
But it seems to be too late for Today. Unless... (let's see... the Day's not over yet...)

IMO voting people based on the people on the wagon is awful.

No, it's not.

not when it's pretty obvious there's at least one probably two scum on klingon right now and there's only one other option

Details?

It's p. obvious there's at least one scum possibly two on alch and it is half the size of the Klingon wagon.

Details?

[Aneninen]

F-ck this shyt, I don't think I'll survive long anyway and the Day seems to be close to end.

Clotilde-ize: Spider Gwen

If you're Town, at the end of Today you're Name

[Person in your Role PM]

will get changed to Clotilde. Your abilities, if you have any, will remain unchanged.
If you're not Town, nothing happens and I'll die at the end of the Day, along with the lynched player.

(FYI: I was allowed to decide the name I want to turn the selected player into.)

[Aneninen]

Before catching up, I have questions.

(1) Why am I alive?
(2) Why were those particular players Nightkilled?
(3) Has anyone claimed any of the Nightkills?

[Aneninen]

Okay, fellas.

As some of you will have guessed, I was faking.
But,
I had a goal with it. A pity it didn't work out that well. I hoped I could absorb a Nightkill or two, but sigh, things aren't always working out in the way I want.

Still...
...I picked SpiderGwen because she really looked scummy and there wasn't a chance for lynching her. You know, I've been thinking. If the scums thought I was telling the truth, my Death would have cleared SpiderGwen – but they could have removed a threat, couldn't they?
Unless... SpiderGwen is scum. In that case they (or her faction, at least) knew after the Lynch that I was lying. In this case if I ever die, so much for the conf-town read on SpiderGwen.
This, obviously tells me that SpiderGwen is scum.
(By the way, the Nightkills suggest something. One faction – scumfaction or SK? – might have thought that Spifflop was scum. But the other Nightkill still escapes me.)

Also, I was trying to save someone else's aß last Night. Maybe more than one player? Who knows?

But now,
New Day, new lies.

This time I'm telling my name.
I'm Kitty Pryde. (A pity that Malakittens is not here lololol!)
X–Shot Something. Did I use my ability last Night? Or did not? Who knows?

And I know what you all think. I can't be trusted. How indeed!
Should you lynch me? Well, okay. In case you run out of other ideas.
But trust me, I'm town and I won't get near to LyLo. You can still waste an investigation on me (in theory, I may be Bulletproof SK).

And soon I'll examine that case on DapperStranger.

I've already read a thing or two, by the way. Random is still scummy. Passionate Storm is not. Alchemist has done nothing to change my reads on him.

[Aneninen]

(1) Firstly, I've read a couple of things (although not

everything

) and I've seen something. I'm not explain it thoroughly, but that suggests me that Dapper is not scum.
[Side-note. I know that I jumped off the Klingonette-wagon too and I'll look really bad if the Dapper-wagon reaches lynch and he flips scum. But, if this happens, we'll have two scums out and mislynching me after that – if I don't die Tonight – is a reasonable exchange.]

(2) Dapper. Reflecting to *something*. You. Need. Not. Be. Colossus.

(3)

i hate you.

You've never liked me. What's the change then?

(4)

Ok, this is definitely Town.¹ I remember having a similar gambit planned for D2 of Hilariously Unbalanced Mafia 2 but never got to use it. Still, couldn't it be possible that scum just killed outside you/Gwen to avoid Doc protection?² What do you make of Gwen/Titus hard Townreading each other?³

1. Calling me town won't change that I don't think you're town.
2. It could have happened but in that case the Doc must have been dumb. I could have found at least two better targets.
3. I'll think about it.

[Aneninen]

(5)

So hey guys. I guess Kling was scum and not mislynch bait.
Who would have thunk it.
How are you all doing?
-Fire

I strongly dislike this. They're "over-aware" of the fact they was away from the Klingonette-wagon. (I mean, I was away too. I misread her. Then what? Need I care how much towncredit I earn or lose?)
That "How are you all doing?" is a kind of "I'm here so as to do nothing and willing to fly on under the radar".
Their vote in their next post is the cherry on the ginger pie.

(6)

Funny how all of a sudden Gwen is on Titus' side. Are y'all cult?

It's very unlikely that Gwen is Cult. (Unless the Cult is dumb or Gwen drew the Cultist-PR.) And we have no proof there's a Cult at all.

(7) Gwen's 2320 is scumtalk. And I'm not explaining, why.

(8)

@Anen: Why do you think scum would shoot a 1-shot that had already used their shot?
What do you think of Stranger questioning the mod during the night about your role and whether you confirmed me?

Wait-oh, what makes you think that I'm 1–Shot and I used my Shot last Night? Curiosity kills the cat, I know, but Kitty kills the Spider first. ^_^
As for the other question, there are plenty of possibilities. And I think you wouldn't ask questions like that if Dapper weren't wagoned now.

(9)

I feel like, outside of finding the serial killer (who is probably in the townreads, sadly, but we cross that bridge when we come to it), all the scum can be found in Dappy/idgy (randomidget)/inty/grappy/Inny (who has managed to lurk by our radars unnoticed)/Alchy with the extra candidates of Exxy and Mossy (My Other Head Is Scum).

Is there a proof that there's a SK and not another scum faction (or a Vig)?

(10)

VOTE: Dapper Stranger

More content, Varsoon!

VOTE: Spider Gwen

[Aneninen]

Merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Yule/or-whatever-you-celebrate-now Everyone!

[Aneninen]

An Alchemist scumflip would make me feel a lot better about this game. It would confirm Shiro as town, for one thing. If Alchemist doesn't flip scum, that entire counterwagon and Shiro in particular should be looked at with a cold eye.

That makes sense. A pity that wagon isn't happening now.

The townreads on Aneninen, for one person, bother me a little - he's pushing a really poor angle on Gwen here. Anyone who's pushing PS/SG scum right now is scum or bad. I do not think Aneninen is a bad player.

Why Gwen is town?
And I don't think I'm a good player.

Not like there's 19 days left to this phase Mr. please don't rush this because we need to make sure we get it right the first time...

This, somehow gave me bad vibes. What if I'm misreading Dapper and *something* they posted earlier...?

I strongly disagree. Thats a town post.
MOHIS is hard town for me.

Why?

Jeez, TheWayItEnds that just feels odd.

No, he does not. (If he

liked

me, say,

that

would be odd. LOLOLOL!)

these are both town posts too.

Hmmm... maybe.

Sad that nobody is voting Alchemist : (

As soon as someone proves for me why Gwen is town, you can count me in.

Merry Christmas etc.!
Also Shiro vs. alch is probably opposite alignments.

This is a scum post.
"This is town v scum but I'm not sure which is which so we better lynch both!"

^^
That!
I haven't parrotted anything for a while, have I?

Hmmm
You are making a good lot of sense and it would explain my need for one more scum on kling wagon.
Fine

Vote: Dapper

But alchemist needs to die next. Especially if you are wrong about Dapper.
L-1 if I am not mistaken
P.edit
Love you two grapes. But I feel obliged to ask. Why is that?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. Strongly disliked.
If Dapper flips scum, Shiro is definitely scum too.

Mod Note - From midnight tonight (UK time. So 7pm Eastern) Everyone is on V/LA until the 27th. There will also be a V/LA to all on the 31st from Midnight (7PM Eastern until the 3rd of Jan.

Mod, how about locking the thread for that time?

Merry Christmas/Hanukkah/Yule/or-whatever-you-celebrate-now Everyone!

Christmas.

That one then.
I celebrate Yule, although that takes place a bit earlier.

Dear protective role - I saw your crumb. Nicely done.
I hate to be selfish, but I'd really love to stay alive for tomorrow, so I'm going to request your services for tonight.

^^
Good idea.

[Aneninen]

UNVOTE:

Okay, let's say, I believe Titus and TSO.

[Aneninen]

TWIE that last minute vote was crap. Like seriously. You seem pretty smart. Why did you follow two of the largest hot air balloons in the game to one of the towniest men in town?

Dum-de-dum-de-dum. I'm not sure whether it's normal from him but it was indeed strange. Also, he was not voting at the end of Day1.

How about that aneninen last minute leap off of the Klingon wagon?

Misreading her because of another game she was scum in.

My issue with this game is mainly that I have so many lurkers-slash-unknowns, like Varsoon/Anen, that I have no real way of sorting them with a reasonable level of accuracy.

Varsoon seems to be town, although his 2590 is a thing I don't get.
As for me, I can understand your concerns. However, you left out that I

was

am a proven liar.

I really shouldn't be alive, I rarely live past d2 as town in Larges. I'm wondering why Gwen was killed instead of me. It's possible I was left alive to push the Alch lynch, but Gwen also wanted the Alch lynch, so I'm not sure that really matters. Perhaps they simply knew I'd have protection.

Erm... weren't you asking for protection?

Spider Gwen was hiding behind Alchemist last night and wound up dead by mafia kill. This is significant because a hider cannot be attacked directly in most circumstances. This means that mafia killed alchemist or alchemist is scum and the mafia kill was interfered with. I am more inclined to believe the latter.

Is it a stupid thing to ask how do we know that piece of information?

The serial killer also had no kill last night. Grapes was a vig shot.

Hmm-hmm-a-hmm-hmm

Both are suspect. In particular, the former. I don't want this day to end until I speak with him.

Ask.

I think it's time for Aneninen to fullclaim.

Oh, TSO, give me some time, okay? I've just woken up and it takes some time to make up another lie.

Oh, Titus - I'm thinking that VCA on Klingon's lynch points strongly towards a guaranteed scum in {inte, IAI, TWIE}. Do you agree?

Depends on Alchemist flip.

^^
That.

Randomidget's fixation on Spider Gwen and avoidance of the Kling wagon until the end looks even worse now.

Nothing looks good, as for Randomidget.

I'm quite surprised that I have lived this long.
I am a sensor (of the FORCE), but I was waiting for later in this conflict before tuning into my Force senses. I figured it'd be more effective; that's why I have been lying so low.
To tell the truth, I thought that yesterday was quite telling given interactions and those who perished in their attempts to restore order to the galaxy.

Like it's written on the Wiki?

________

I'm willing to vote for Alchemist, but there are already 7 votes on him. If I did so, he'd be at L–1, and anyone could quickhammer him before we've talked everything out Today.

[Aneninen]

Yes, my sensitivity to the Force is no different from what you are familiar with, Anen.
I do feel some hesitance within myself; Alchemist is quickly gaining the ire of many on the council.
That said, perhaps this is just judgment meted to those who have it coming.

No, no, I think he's scum, I just don't want to end the Day yet.

@Aneninen, You should read the wiki on hider. They are untargetable by night actions. Instead, they get killed if scum murder the person they hide behind.

How do we know she was hiding behind Alchemist?

While I would certainly hope that we stopped a serial killer, my personal theory is that we have an odd-night serial killer.

...because?

I would be voting for Alchy, but I believe it would be the hammer, and there is much to discuss today.

Sweet.

[Aneninen]

LMAO, Shiro!

But check my 2652 too. The first part.

[Aneninen]

We know she hid behind Alchemist because passionate storm was part of the team that shot him.
VOTE: passionate storm

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

Anen - why did you lie? It served no purpose, allowed you to fluff around instead of playing for an entire day, and just all-around obfuscated any attempts to sort you.

It's had a goal.
I saw Varsoon and ...someone else doing something on Day1, so I decided to draw the attention to myself. Partly because of absorbing a possible Nightkill or two, partly because of examining others' reactions.
The PR for Clotilde came later. Originally, I wanted to throw it in earlier, but because of IRL things it was too late for my original plan. Yet again, I wanted to examine all the reactions to it. But still, I pulled out quite a couple of reactions. The most important three were Shiro (who I think is town), Alchemist (who I think is scum), and obviously, SpiderGwen (whom I was wrong about for a long time, sorry).
On Day2, I thought Dapper might be a Doc, because of something he'd posted, but a later post from him made me doubt that. Again, I was too slow. By the time I realized the whole Passionate-Gwen thing the Day had been practically over. (Also, I think I realized something else too, but I don't want to talk about it yet. It's a *someone* must be a *certain town-PR* thing.)

Now, on Day3, I really, really want to know Varsoon's results.

For this Day, let's say something surprising. How about this: Kitty Pryde, Vanilla Townie? Is it true? Is it fake? Is it partly true? ^_^

(By the way, I think that Clotilde-izer idea could be a funny town-PR if it existed...)

PD didn't say it was more likely, she said that is what happened. She can't know unless she took the shot.

Also it is possible Gwen didn't use her ability. And it is perfectly possible she hid behind a target who she hoped would be ignored but was vig-killed.

The underlined part is fake and scummy speculation.

[Aneninen]

Post ahead, and I hope I won't get locked out of the Twilight...

[Aneninen]

Now I'm assuming Alchemist's telling the truth.

I don't get why we townread these players:

PeregrineV (no content, jumping on the wagon)
Errantparabola (active as a pron diva elsewhere, doing nothing here)
My Other Head Is Scum (Just why?! Especially after that hammer)
TWIE (Needs to be sorted out, as soon as it's possible!)

These players' Twilight reactions seem to be fake as Mystique:

TSO ("rather grudgingly accept Anen's response"... No town or scumread on me? okay, in his case I'm simply paranoid.)
Extrapolated Eagle (2691, 2694, 2709... ohshyt, basically everything here!)
My Other Head Is Scum (that "yell at me tomorrow")
Randomidget (his "sorry", eh. I still think he's scum.)

Varsoon REALLY NEEDS to tell us everything he knows. I'm interested in his relationship with Elyse too.

PassionateStorm and Elyse are either townies or they're very good scummies and screwing up everything for us.

If I happen to be a kind of Vig, whom should I target?
If I told you I was Mystique and not Kitty Pryde, would you believe me that I hadn't admitted it before because I thought I'd be lynched because of being her?

[Aneninen]

Alchemist, shyt happens. Bad gameplay?! Tell me about it, lol! Chocolate Mafia? Hm? He? Huh? ^_^

[Aneninen]

Lok I remember I ised to tease you about something from that game, but I can't remember what it was.
What do you make of TWIE posts after the hammer? Did his reaction seem more genuine to you than the others?

Don't you remember? I Vigged the player who you'd confirmed before. Wasn't it hilarious? ^_^
I don't like TWIE's Twilight and as I said, he must be sorted out. My only reason for not insta-scumreading him is he was posting in a similar way when he was town (in other games).

[Aneninen]

no i think hes faking.

If you've meant Alchemist, let him fake! I'll tell you Tomorrow, why.
If you've meant me, sort it out by yourself!
Hint: I've never lied as townie and I have an excellent reputation for telling the truth all the time in this particular game.

[Aneninen]

He picks something, chases it for a long time, and never lets it go. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's not.

(At least I haven't Vigged you, have I?)

[Aneninen]

Whom then?

[Aneninen]

* * * Achievement Unlocked * * *

Backfiring a shytty post to its author

[Aneninen]

VOTE: errantparabola

?

Random's probably scum who knew Alch was town but there have been a series of implosions and we must reassess.

Good.

I can't remember the last time my reads were this abysmal.

I can remember you posting things like this as scum.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

?

No idea why Titus and TSO are still alive, especially cause Titus is conftown, but if I'm wrong on them then gg. I don't feel like going down that road right now.

As for Stormy, I share your feelings.

Therefore, someone healed Alch. Sure as fuck wasn't town.

If it was known for the Doc Gwen would hide behind Alchemist.

There is a even simpler explanation she didn't hide behind and changed her mind at the last minute.

Or this.
Garmr looks town.

TSO town
Shiro town
Elyse probably town
Garmr town
EE will depend on who he pushes today
Random errant and inte are good votes same with PV

Answers, in order.
Why?
I want to see something from her.
Yes.
Yes.
Exactly.
Random: good idea. Errant: need to think about it. PV = Peregrinev?

[Aneninen]

Let's play Spot The Loonie! He left remarks here.

Passionate Storm

- Obviously DS didn't think PS was town. Perhaps a reevaluation of D2 needs to be made, but I personally believe that scum would do more in the name of indirect framing rather than the outright if-he's-town-i'll-eat-my-hat attitude that PS took. I don't think a town read is set in stone, but either way, I'm leaning towards town for PS, tentatively.

– we should think they're town. Getting close to LyLo we might change our minds.

Garmr

- 1405 summarizes Garmr's early D1 play pretty well. I think that ultimately that early play comes from a town frame of mind. The fact that garmr pushes eagle over the much easier DS lynch D2 solidifies my townread on Garmr.

– Townread.

I Am Innocent

- Drags feet on the Alch lynch, doesnt have any counterpush. Of course this is likely due to inactivity, but I'm not going to write it off as a town move. It could be scum that's behind and not wanting to incriminate himself with any particular strong stances. It could be town that legitimately has no strong stances. Either way, this slot is not someone we can have in a LYLO situation.

– Concerned about them.

inte

- Again, not a slot we can have in a LYLO situation.

– Is he in the game? Interesting.

PeregrineV

- Same as inte.

– Is he in the game? Interesting.

TheWayItEnds

- I strongly disagree with the MOHIS read. Note how TWIE mentiones the grapes kill with a town read that he never projected in thread. This to me reads like inconsistent play or trying to grab credit with a read that somehow materialized postmortem. The one thing that makes me less confident in this being scum is the tone of TWIE's posts.

– I need to think about him. Again.

T S O

- Fuck it. Town.

– Why?

Shiro

- I want Shiro's post Alchemist wagons. I'm taking note of the fact that Alchemist was almost certainly a Klingon counterwagon and Shiro opening up that possibility. But overall, consistent play.

– I need to see *something*. Consistency can be scumtell too.

My Other Head Is Scum

- Constantly questions own townreads. I don't like that because it comes without a push. That policy request I'm going to write off as non-indicative, but I think it's fake.

– Hmm-hmmm................

Extrapolated Eagle

- EE's consistent attempts to interact with a scumread of his (me) mean one of two things. 1) He isn't afraid to go toe to toe with someone he scumreads rather than just pushing the lynch. 2) His play is pretty consistent. If scum, then good scum. But I think town.

– Aha yup.

Aneninen

- The clotilde gambit ultimately seems to me like a town-motivated move. Other posts seem town.

– Why is he here?

randomidget

- Was on the attempted Spifflop counterwagon. Was a klingon straggler. Play seems ultimately very reactive under pressure. What I do like is wagon analysis on alch, pointing out that alch is the klingon counterwagon. I wholeheartedly agree with that, it might be the keystone to my current gameview. Ultimately I believe scum.

– Agreed.

Errantparabola

- I've lived with this person for many a year. Smells bad.

– the question is, fishy-smell or not.

Elyse

- D1 play is good. I don't feel as confident with Elyse's D2 play but I can't really pinpoint anything that sets me off. Elyse is someone I'd consider voting but ultimately a null read, simply because I don't feel comfortable with saying she is town.

– I do. For now.

Varsoon

- Isn't really a presence in this game. Has been on all the lynching wagons. Needs to do more.

– Where is he?

VOTE: MOHIS

[Aneninen]

I am pissed off at myself, I was really really fucking certain that alchemist would flip scum.

Need a pigeon?

I don't know what to assume anymore. I mean since now I know that alchemist was a counterwagon on Kling. And that grapes and I are town, then one of anen or eagle are possibly scum but I am townreading both of them so I am unsure of it.

Give a readlist. You have 27 hours.

Can I just point out I've never expressed any scum leanings on alch. It didn't just start yesterday for towncred.

Eeiieieiefffffffzzzzzzzzzzzzt.
[A well-known Vogonian expression for pigeon poop.]

I propose that we carry out a Wisdom of the Crowds-style request for a modkill on inte. I think Jason could be amenable to this. If you support this, say so. If not, I would dearly love to hear why.

Wouldn't it be better if he got force-replaced?

[Aneninen]

Players I'm still interested in.

I don't get why we townread these players:

PeregrineV (no content, jumping on the wagon)
Errantparabola (active as a pron diva elsewhere, doing nothing here)
My Other Head Is Scum (Just why?! Especially after that hammer)
TWIE (Needs to be sorted out, as soon as it's possible!)

These players' Twilight reactions seem to be fake as Mystique:

TSO ("rather grudgingly accept Anen's response"... No town or scumread on me? okay, in his case I'm simply paranoid.)
Extrapolated Eagle (2691, 2694, 2709... ohshyt, basically everything here!)
My Other Head Is Scum (that "yell at me tomorrow")
Randomidget (his "sorry", eh. I still think he's scum.)

Varsoon REALLY NEEDS to tell us everything he knows. I'm interested in his relationship with Elyse too.

[Aneninen]

This year is starting out with very little free time for me. The drop you'll experience in my activity is not a tell in itself. Thank you for understanding.

[Aneninen]

Okay, I'm willing to sheep the bigger bird Today.

VOTE: ErrantParabola

I'll try to catch-up too.

[Aneninen]

Can you summarise why you're voting Errant?¹ Because Eagle hasn't either.² So it seems interesting that you're sheeping a non-existent case.³

1. I could if I wanted to.
2. He's doing so.
3. Wrong.

[Aneninen]

We arent lynching EP, hes town.

Tell me something interesting so that I can believe you.

[Aneninen]

I'm trusting everyone else who says random is town for now.

Why?

So Gwen targeted someone she was scumreading. I wonder who sees where I'm going with this.

Let's say, I believe you. Are we getting to somewhere?

My activity is my vote today.

Vote: Alchemist

@Stormy: A reread of Alch wouldn't hurt. I know I haven't gotten much from his play. You might be able to see things I can't.

this post says, and i quote
"I will be hiding behind alchemist tonight"

It could have been more clear IMO, but it's a start.

Vote: Alchemist

Fakey fakey. You helped lynch Alch, I doubt you forgot.
You otherwise only voted Spifflop town counter to Klingon.
VOTE: PV
Off to work.

LOLOLOLOLOL!
If Errant's not happening for some silly reason, here's another great idea.

reading gwen ISO
Her top scumreads other than dapper were
Random,Anen and Eagle
She said that anen can be sorted later so we can strike him out I think.
Any chance he hid behind eagle or random?

Random, maybe...

[Aneninen]

Shiro, I've been thinking.
I don't think Gwen hid behind me. I was trying hard to provoke my Nightkill for *reasons*.

There's something I saw in random's ISO that makes me doubt he's scum but it could be nothing. I felt like I was confbiasing with him earlier so I wanted to take a step back and listen to what other people have to say about him.

Good. I like the way you're thinking.

I have infiltrated the ranks of the lurkers in order to study them, how they think, how they act. I have gained deep knowledge of the truths the bind all mafia players together. I can see the lines that connect all things.

Also I read their posts and they are town.

Should I believe you or EE?

1. Fantastic, good for you. Now that we know that I don't hold utter sway over you, maybe you can get off your high horse and stop attempting to toss the fucking game.
2. I haven't seen EE even attempt to summarise a case.
3. Quote it.

What horse? Oh, that one! I borrowed it from

Monty Python and the Holy Grail

. TROLOLOL!
I still don't want to answer, however, you've made me think. What if I'm wrong about what I don't want to explain? Also, EE's recent posts don't match the Multiverse in my mind.

UNVOTE:

EE, we'd like to see an updated readlist from you.

EE has been fucking highly suspect all game.

On the other hand, his naked vote drew a lot of attention on him. Would a scum have done so?

Okay, so we're back to either not having a fucking clue about SG, venturing into the wild and wonderful land of the Bus Driver, and presuming she didn't take an action. Marvellous.

I don't want Bus Drivers. By the way, as far as I can remember, according to the NAR table Hiding trumps Bus-Driving.

Varsoon - if you are town,

thank you so much

for not answering the one question you were asked. Really. Thank you so much. After all that content you haven't provided, I was unaware that it was now above your abilities to answer a single goddamn question.

So, if I'm called useless, take a look at Varsoon!

Why would scum jailkeep and shoot alch when he wouldn't die?
Either she hid behind someone she thought was town but was scum (what I think happened) or she didn't send in an action. Let's not get into bus drivers.

Look up the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane!
Nnnnnnnnnnnnnno
It's another WIFOM-rocket launched by Randomidget!

Once again, the world is saved. Thanks to the

Powerpuff Girls

!

VOTE: Randomidget

[Aneninen]

TSO is TSO, no read from him right now. He is sitting in my Null pile.
Errant is town, but everytime I have thought Errant was town was actually scum, so skeptical town there.
Randommidget I think is town though. Mostly meta reasons on that.

Who's scum then?
These reads are pigeon poop anyway.

As for MOHIS's later posts: why do we have to townread them again?

inte Dec 07, 01:00am Jan 04, 03:40pm 1 day 0 hours 14
I Am Innocent Dec 07, 02:00pm Jan 04, 01:57pm 1 day 1 hour 12
Ok I just realised that IaI has less posts than inte who was nonexistant.
Fire has vedith talked about the game like at all? (I am assuming you are fire)

It's time for a good old Aneninen-ish speculative bullshyt. What if Shiro's scum and so is the Inte-slot?

Inte is a giant slot of null. Activity isn't really a tell - he's only played 3/4 games in a year, including this one. They were all town, and he lurked in 3/4 of them. He doesn't seem to have a history of replacing out tactically.

Inte-ZZZX + Shiro + TSO ?

(And what should I lie Today? I still haven't decided it yet.)

[Aneninen]

[Aneninen]

And you all need a drunkpost from me, aren't you,

[Aneninen]

I do. I'm mixed on random. Really mixed.

Why,

Anen why no belief in the errant wagon?

I thought you had a Cop-positive on him but your later reactions made me doubt that.

getting defended early on would be null. later on I expect that to be whiteknighting sometimes. scum wouldnt defend thier partners usually unless:
1- its reallyy close to lylo
2- scum team is about to go boom
3- YOLOAHAHAIDOWATIWANT
so you need to fill in the blanks for the defence

Huh?

What did you want to mean by that, IamInnocent?

QUick question. Didnt we already conclude that the hider prob didnt hide or some magical bastard shit happened which we cant by any chance explain?

Or did I misunderstand something?

Fuck this, isn't it obvious that we can't conclude anything out of this topique?
Gwennie did or didn't do something and we can't figure it out. Let's move on period.

I pushed for Alchemist because I thought kling was town. Dapper was pushing Spifflop at some point with Eagle (if I remember properly)

WHUT?!

like i literally dont know how she could have made it more obvious?

why are you doubtcasting that result?

Obvious wahat?

I've been useful as a fairie working at the IT department, haven't I?

[Aneninen]

I just want to say, I don't support a Eagle waggon.
I truly think he is town.

Having thought about it and he's a Miss Marple townread. I think. He's so similar to someone that I can see some possibility that he's an alt. ^_^

I also oppose the eagle lynch.

Whut? You? Why?

Can people explain townreads on Eagle? I've been going back and forth with him.
At this point, I've put PS, TSO, Aneninen, Garmr, Varsoon, and TWIE in my townpile.

See above.
Varsoon and TWIE are question marks.
TSO is an auto-paranoia, but because most of you thinks he's town I must clearly have missed something important. The last bit is an "Aneninen is being Aneninen" tell.

Jason, you left out the player who's voting for me in your 3177

Well, we both agree Aneninen is scum. Why do you think he's town?

Where did that read come from?

Let's just say it - he seems like the vig. That's it. There's no point hiding it because literally -everyone- is thinking the same.

...because?
Were he a Vig, he would have Nightkilled Elyse at Night1.

Shiro's absence is making me question him as well

I haven't parrotted anything for a while.

Shiro's absence is making me question him as well

Excuse me absence ? I didn't post for one page and you call that absence ? Seesh

Beetlejuice.

Alternatively, Gwen hides behind someone else. That person is scum. Scum shoot Gwen because she claimed a PR in the thread. Gwen dies.

Okay, I have a little something for you.
As I have time, I'll check her posts. I'm not only a proven liar but also a proven weirdo. I might find something there to reveal where she hid.

EE scumflip likely clears Aneninen, for one person.

?

________

Also, I'm aware of the fact that I haven't lied anything Today. Please, give me ideas! You know, if I told the truth after all this time, noone would ever believe me.

[Aneninen]

I know it's terrible but you have to wait until tomorrow. Yet again, unexpected work.

[Aneninen]

Give me one hour or 70 minutes or so. I need to eat and rest and I'm dead tired.

[Aneninen]

I'll try to catch-up hard.
Is there anything I should be aware of?

[Aneninen]

Come on now, Anen, I'd expect you to see why your Vig objection doesn't make sense.

I've never objected.
I only assumed that I must have missed something. This has been yet another period when I have very little time.

Jason, you left out the player who's voting for me in your 3177

.

I'll go back and look for it when I get on properly again. Do you know what post it was?

No.
See above!
(By the way, another achievement unlocked! Being unable to answer ...the Mod.)

Not all players crumb their actions though.
Like I don't. Ever.

I've found your crumb. You're The Nile. ^_^

hider is literally completely useless if you dont crumb your hide.

Unless they're afraid of getting crumbread by the scum.

tl;dr for useful things from d4 - we at last know how Gwen died, and we know she hid behind either Eagle or random. Your vote elsewhere is useless.

Good.

dear garmr,
mohis is town.
cordially yours,
TWIE

Let's assume for a split second that I start trusting you. If so, what would you say?

Activity levels remain really, really bad. I don't mean Aneninen here, I mean more along the lines of IAI/ZZZX. If you're going to comment, then comment on the Hider scenario, since it's of paramount importance right now.

Why was I mentioned at all?
That must have been the first time when someone did NOT criticise my activity whenever I had to drop my activity.

VOTE: TSO
The lynch pool is me or him today as far as I'm concerned¹ unless he does something super convincing.² Either way I don't have to pretend to deal with him anymore.

anyone that needs more proof that tso is scum, ask him how he knows that scum only needs two more days before they win

³

(1) That's pigeon poop. What about Random?
(2) Or unless you do something super convincing?
(3) Where did that happen?

Also, eagle, if the lynch was between you and TSO I would vote for you.

It's usually a bad idea to trust Elyse but I think I'll do the same mistake again. ^_^

I think this is the best course of action to do at this point.
VOTE: TSO

Whut?

TSO, you aren't remotely helping town here. There are several other possibilities that you refuse to consider and you only want to talk about night actions.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: TSO

A scummy jump from a scum.

[Aneninen]

Random immediately jumping on TSO once there was an iota of support is so scummy.

^_^
I haven't parrotted anything today anyway.

[Aneninen]

@aneninen please state why TSO is town for you. Again, me or him today please, I'm serious about this.

Where did that you or him pigeon poop come from?
He's sounded logical in the last couple of pages. Also, why for Clotilde's new pink dress should I vote for him when I have better ideas?

If TSO usually plays like this as town, fine. Someone tell me and I'll replace out.

AtE, which I don't think you need do.

Yeah, we get it. You think I'm shit. Will there ever come a stage where you'll shut the fuck up?

Needn't.

Shouldn't.

I completely agree that the vote was all kinds of bad - I said it myself when I quoted it, but it's possible random sucks that badly as town.

I don't think so.

Why TWIE and MOHIS are not voting?

[Aneninen]

His aggressivenes is not an alignment tell.

[Aneninen]

That was for Eagle and I got ninja'ed.

[Aneninen]

No.

[Aneninen]

Shyt.
UNVOTE:

[Aneninen]

I have no time now.
Is there any idea whom I should sheep?

[Aneninen]

I don't think Eagle would threaten us with replacing out as a kind of AtE if he were scum.
I'm absolutely not sold on TSO.
Randomidget evolved into a never-lynch.
If I vote for anyone else, they'll never get wagoned.

What now?

[Aneninen]

Again I feel like an idiot. I know I should notice something and it's right in front of me but I still can't see it.

[Aneninen]

Not Elyse.

[Aneninen]

Great.
Now I have some time and I'm not feeling well because of eating some shytty meat.

But I'll try to do something soon.

[Aneninen]

We'll vig ZZZX tonight, at any rate, so that's one problem solved.

So, not ZZZX then.

Yep. Then I'm a great lynch. I'm sorry to whoever put me here . You're right, my life was wonderful before. Let me go back! I'm sorry! I promise I won't ever take not playing this game for granted ever again!

Just why are you upset?

Who out of the anyone else would you be willing to lynch?

I'm thinking about the same question.

aneninen, another, less game-related question: I was checking the newbie game queue and i could swear that you made a post that I remember you making in this game...
am i going crazy?

Sometimes I copy/paste the same message eg. when I don't have time etc. I was so tired that I posted it in the wrong thread.

No vigging ZZX please. Ty. Errant or PV are better vigs.

Vig PV

i would not at all be upset if iai xxxz pv and varsoon were all dead.

actually shiro is prob scum too.

Varsoon acted as if he had some important PR on Day1. And he's done literally nothing since then. I've insisted many times he post some results and nothing has happened.
Shiro's been on my FoS-list since the Alchemist-flip. What she's been doing is exactly the same thing I do sometimes as scum.

Before, I was assuming we had a heavily buffed Serial Killer who was only odd-night. I am no longer sure if I was only targeted n3, or also targeted n2. This is a worrying development.

Call me dumb but who would ever try to Nightkill you twice in a row?

I wouldn't mind being dead, either, because I don't think I've been super helpful.

And you were posting similar things in Boonie's, where we were scums together.

VOTE: Varsoon

[Aneninen]

How well do you think you've read the game?

What have I missed

this

time?

I really, really, really tried to be productive and it went well for a while. Then a huge bunch of unexpected work arrived.
Give me some more time and I may surprise everyone by being useful! (And not in the way I was useful in my last finished game, of course.)

[Aneninen]

Note to self.
I wanted to check something about all those Nightkills.
Also, Varsoon's reasoning for getting Nightkilled soon is flawed. He also said that he wouldn't live long. In this game even

I

've managed to live long. Which is strange, on the other hand, but noone actually gives a fyck.

[Aneninen]

Mobilepost.
I have no time Today, sorry!
Later, if you will be patient enough, I'll be back. Tomorrow, probably.

[Aneninen]

TSO I know you said that aneninen gets a lot of towncred for clotilde and so I'm going to believe you on that, despite me not particularly liking his posting.Aneninen, get back to me as soon as you figure out a lynch pool, if you can.

Noted.

So, we need three votes from {Errantparabola, randomidget, EE, PV, MOHIS, Aneninen, PS, TWIE, ZZZX, Shiro}.

Whom for?

i dont know why you're having a hard time with this.
we're not gonna lynch errant.
because im reading him as town and whatever i say goes.

Miss-Marple positive town. Let's say, okay, I trust you.

________

Night1.
Spifflop, killed
Itlepip, left in a pool of blood

Night2.
Spider Gwen (hider), killed
Grapes, shot in the head

Night3.
Jemina, killed

Grapes seem to be a Vig shot, Itlepip an SK Nightkill.
According to Random, someone may have targetted me at Night1 (this is not an alignment tell on me), might have targetted TSO at Night3 (maybe a blocked SK-shot???)

[Aneninen]

You are so fucking useless, you can't even use basic logic in your posts. Learn to play.

Me?

(Mobilepost)

[Aneninen]

Fucking monstrously bad. I do not think I have ever, ever played a worse towngame than this.

If only I could decide whether this genuine was.

Anen is alive, actually, but I'm beyond caring about Anen.

And so do the scums, I suppose. I've got a terrible feeling that they want to see me at LyLo.

It's time to make up a LyLo-killing PR.

By the way, I'm Beloved Princess Leia Organa.

Also TSO its all chill. Game isnt done. and as long as we dont spam it to heaven I have already planned to fully catch up.

Could be scum with or without TSO. Most probably the latter one.

im a cop.
i have innocents on
mohis
errant
varsoon

Yay, FINALLY I read something right! eg 3288.

*Little anime girl dancing around*

IknewitIknewitIknewitIkn-

*tripping over a rock and falling on her b00bies*

Well, that's very helpful, TWIE.
Let's lynch TSO?

Let's investigate TSO?

By the way, there may be a GF in this game if there's a Cop and a Doc too.

[Aneninen]

By the way, I'm Beloved Princess Leia Organa.

Oh, cut it out, that PR wouldn't help. I misremembered what that PR is.
Okay, It's time to tell the truth, isn't it?

Hagrid, 1-shot Bull-

no, that's not good.

Ey'Lindi, Vengeful To-

no, still not there either.
Arwen, Loved VT – yes, that would do the trick. Plus Clotildizer. Obviously.

[Aneninen]

I really don't want to say anything about eagle right now. I wil; get back in the game later.

Pointless post.

Investigate me tonight, yes?

^^
Godfather claim?

Regardless, it appears TWIE has effectively won the game.

Not really.
Cop+Doc means there must be a Godfather. Or the Cop claim is fake. Or there's a twist. All we've seen is an Encryptor and that's not too much.

Anen/Garmr/Elyse/PV/IAI/ZZZX contains, likely, three scum. I don't think they have more than that on their team, but they might have one more.

Garmr/PV/ZZZX? And/or TSO as an II-SK.

I was thinking TWIE was a cop. Glad I was right.

Game's basically on autopilot now assuming there's no GF or something.

The latter one is a bad assumption. The first part is town-ish. Unless scum with TSO because of 3692.

Not to muddy the waters but

claim even night vig

Sorry for the bad shots, from the little I read grapes and shiro felt like good targets...

May or may not be.

VOTE: I Am Innocent

UNVOTE:
VOTE: I Am Innocent
Regardless i'll protect twie tonight.
If IAI flips town team is probably EP, elyse, twie.

I don't like the speed of these votes.

Going on soon.

[Aneninen]

Should have added Elyse's vote too.

[Aneninen]

Not to muddy the waters but

claim even night vig

Sorry for the bad shots, from the little I read grapes and shiro felt like good targets...

VOTE: I am innocent
Claim: 2 shot vig that gains shots when I shoot scum
I was a proponent of grapes = scum
I voted Shiro as a counterwagon to EE

And if EE is town

This is me asking you who to shoot if EE was town because I was confident that's how it was goign to flip. You gave me no answer but you did say that Shiro was prob scum if EE was town and I agreed.

BTW, if you're scum, TSO, your game becomes infinitely better. So there's that.

Aha.
I must have missed this.

[Aneninen]

Anen, we know there's an SK. The SK is almost definitely II. It would be completely unbalanced to have two II non-town roles, thus there is no Godfather.

That still would be unbalanced for Mafia.

The case for IAI is above - thoughts?

See above.

Anen - can you explain why, in your scumteam above, you selected PV and ZZZX as lurker-scum, but not IAI?

Also, see above.

________

I'm willing to vote IAI, but I'm afraid of his self-hammer. What now? If someone unvotes him I'll vote for him.

________

Also, we need a summary of ALL Night actions, Night-by-Night. (I meant the PRs have been claimed. Obviously.)

[Aneninen]

^_^
"Left in a pool of blood"...

[Aneninen]

Anen - we have the Cop actions, the Vig actions, all Doctor actions bar last night, and I'm abandoning the idea of the Hider actions as a useful thing.

I had reasons for that request. But it doesn't seem to be too relevant anymore.

[Aneninen]

Why noone wants to lynch me instantly?
I was away from both scum lynches.

And even worse, I wanted to post this Yesterday:

Spoiler:

Also, f-cking Vig the shyt outta me.
I've been amongst the suspects, but being away from the IAI wagon makes me an obvious lynch-bait and I'm DEFINITELY not the one who should be here at or near LyLo/MyLo.

TWIE, Investigation is not enough. What if I'm Mafia Godfather?
Random, stay away and find a more useful target for yourself.

But the Day ended before I could submit it. (Yes, in that very two minutes, check out the time tags.)
I f-cked this up, I know, I f-cked this up seriously. I wanted to save some aßes on Day1 by stealing the Nightkill(s) but it didn't work out. Oh wait, basically I was away from ALL lynches, wow, isn't there an award for that? Although was okay with Alchemist and IAI but what if I'm lying?

Let's be frank, there are 10 players alive and there are approximately 3 scums or so. At least. I'm a f-cking threat.

Catching-up soon.

[Aneninen]

As for the SK-topic:

my investigation comes back as innocent on the sk.

This suggests me either there's an SK or TWIE's scum. I'm almost sure TWIE is not scum. So...

no result

On whom?

I am saying that either you think there's a four man scumteam and an Odd-Night SK, which is completely unfair, or you think that the SK has somehow missed kills 4 nights in a row, or you think it's not an SK, but it's a variant?

Or, what if there's a kind of SK/X role where X is any-PR (eg. being Bulletproof, Investigation Immune, Cop, Roleblock, etc.) ?

also pv is like pretty obviously scum i think.
so like he should start our mass claim probably?

I'm not, but will start.
I'm VT.

Beetlejuice.

My list is
T S O > Aneninen > PeregrineV > Garmr > ZZZX

Good. Let's talk about TSO.

Vanilla town I'm not worth much tso is pretty much confirmed town.

Where is that conclusion from?

No he's not.
I mean I think he's town but he's not confirmed.

What the bone dragon flying in the dark sky is doing TSO at the beginning of your list then?

Twie hasn't flipped so it's not confirmed. My interest in this game has pretty much dropped since eagle flipped town.

This sounds so scummy.

So, unless there's a GF Errant, Varsoon and MOHIS are town.
Would it be really cheap if I said PeregrineV/Garmr/ZZZX?

I'd start with the latter one because of reasons I'll cover later. I know that I'm a proven liar but I have an idea.

VOTE: ZZZX

[Aneninen]

I haven't been following the game as closely as I like, but I've been mostly skimming and come to these conclusions.
TSO is town
Varsoon is the SK
XXZZY is scum

Vote: XXZZY

UNVOTE:
VOTE: PeregrineV
Because of
(1) picking a couple of names without any logic (why eg. Garmr, Elyse or me not there?)
(2) giving no reasons
(3) sheeping my vote and it's clear that I'm not the one here who's worth being sheeped
(4) misspelling ZZZX, although his name was spelt correctly in the vote above.

I think that if I had wanted to divulge this info before massclaim i would have.

Okay. Your PR, your decision.
If you're lying we're all f-cked so let's assume you're telling the truth. (There is a thing called Sh-whatever's Law for this but I always forget that expression.)

If we think that assassin is the cause of the n1 kill, GF is very much back on the table.

According to the Wiki it could be a Mafia with additional Daykills. But this doesn't rule it out as a possible reason for Itlepip's death, if eg. the Goon PMs the name during the Day phase and the target dies at Night.

[Aneninen]

VT
Although I'm a proven liar I haven't lied about THIS.

[Aneninen]

I can later give more opinions on people that I have less of an opinion on.
Early are slight-town, slight-town, and none

Pigeon poop.

As if to indicate that if I do give reasons, it adds legitimacy?
I mostly do, but probably not this game. unless I need to.

How exactly this helps town?

I would only know it was spelt correctly if I researched the correct spelling. You could have spelled it wrong.
Why would this be an issue to you?

Whut?
It's a pity that I used the pigeon poop expression above. Compared to that, this is more like Pteranodon Poop.
By the way, once I scumread someone because he misspelled me and I was sure he had been able to spell my name correctly. A pity that I dropped the case. Also, ZZZX is easier to be spelt than me.

I saw TWIE claim cop. Whos the vig?

errant claimed vig

I'm not the most useful player on the field but even I knew about that...

You aren't this bad, Peregrine.

Parrotting this.

We're lynching out of {Garmr, PV, ZZZX} today. I'm not interested in anyone else.

That's a good pool.

[Aneninen]

PeregrineV, as for your 3846, I remember you being much more active when defending yourself as town.

You mean the day that started ona Saturday, and ended on Monday, MLK Day?
Pretty simple, really. If I'm not a work, I rarely play. (See sig#2)

And that's a null-tell at best. Need I self-meta my last game I used similar reasons for not doing anything? Actually I did

not

lie, I indeed had very little time for playing. But that didn't change the fact that I was scum.

Not sure if he's at L-1 or L-2 and don't feel like checking so I'll hold off voting him until everyone claims.

Eeiiaaoo?
Having seen the VC below you're either terrible at math or this was fake as the angel who (which???) tried to pull me into a weird nightmare last night. (As if I trusted real angels anyway. I trust fairies.)

[Aneninen]

also I'm VT

So, did you want to do something similar as I did?

If Peregrine flips scum, which I hope happens, I'll likely target Garmr tonight to check that out, and come back tomorrow with the game close to won.

Good. Although I still wouldn't cry if someone eliminated me...

Out of the unconfirmed group (Elyse, T S O, Aneninen, ZZZX, Garmr, PeregrineV), I'm assuming there are three scum. If one of the cop clears is a GF or something that would suck hard but there's really no way to account for that.

We might have time for that.

VOTE: Pere
this game seems simple to win with the cop claim.

This may have come from a desperate scum.

My list from most preffered lynch to the least preferred one, if anyone cares.
Peregrinev > Garmr > ZZZX > Aneninen > Elyse > TSO

[Aneninen]

I thought you had a Town-Alignment-Change PR (because of the way you had been talking about Elyse on Day1).

[Aneninen]

You would lynch yourself over me or TSO?

If that's a Freudian slip I'll laugh postgame, but I doubt it.

That wasn't a slip.
Elyse, as I said before I definitely shouldn't be around at MyLo/LyLo. That'swhy the list.

[Aneninen]

And I don't think scums would be foolish enough to Nightkill me.

[Aneninen]

Not surprised about the Nightkill. However, why not TWIE? I hope he'll tell us something interesting.
Bounty hunter? Is that a kind of Vig?

[Aneninen]

Shouldn't we wait with our votes until TWIE tells us something? He hasn't told anything about his Yesterday yet.

[Aneninen]

kinda makes me think anen could be scum?

I'm still not scum but I understand your feelings. I'm still saying that I should be removed from this game before LyLo.

Garmr's reaction is a thing I didn't like. Nor Elyse's vote. And we need some content from ZZZX too.

[Aneninen]

You do realize we most likely have one mislynch left, right?

Erm, no, I haven't.

Why would you be ok with using that on yourself? It just doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective.

If I'm scummy enough I should be the mislynch. It makes sense.
However, I think I've been in a kind of "social vacuum" for a couple of Days. That usually happens whenever at least one of my reads is deeply wrong. If so, which one?

And what don't you like about my vote?

Lacked content?

I think Garmr is scummier than ZZZX because of PerV's vote on ZZZX. It could have been half-assed bussing or just WIFOM, but I think Garmr deserves rope just a tad more.

Bad logic.
Especially because ZZZX hasn't posted anything Today.

if Elyse is scum she's done a freakily good job of mimicking my thought processes on every single event.

That's a thing I need to think about. Have I seen anything like that from Elyse before?

Vote Garmr. I don't think there's anything left to be said, to be honest.

Not until ZZZX posts something.

vague paranoia enters my head about garmr being scum and anen being a traitor, but it's w/e.

Erm, TSO, you assume there may be a traitor because...?
By the way, LOL! If I were Traitor the scums will have recruited me by now. Most probably at Night1/Night2. (Assuming targetting the Traitor means a recruit.)

I don't think the scumteam is playing particularly well. They're not playing poorly either. I just think a lot of random things went their way and they probably took advantage of the hider mess.

Dum-de-dum-de-dum...
I'm looking forward to reading the reactions for this.
By the way, when and why did Elyse land in the general town-pile?

[Aneninen]

Not much to invest in when we have so many clears.

I'm from mobile and getting drunk but this was fucking scummy.

VOTE: Garmr

And I know I'm an idiot.

[Aneninen]

What is happening?

[Aneninen]

So you're saying you haven't put any effort into solving the game? Hm.

That's not true. See eg. Yesterday. The fact that I didn't realize how many mislynches we have has nothing to do with it; everything else about this topic has been answered before.

If I'm scummy enough I should be the mislynch. It makes sense.
However, I think I've been in a kind of "social vacuum" for a couple of Days. That usually happens whenever at least one of my reads is deeply wrong. If so, which one?

Idk what you mean here.

Which part didn't you understand?
By "social vacuum" I mean that noone seems to have strong reads on me in either way nor too many players are engaging me. The thing I posted might be a reason behind.

And what don't you like about my vote?

Lacked content?

So why'd you call mine out and not TSO's? I justified my reason later so I get you saying that it has no content but neither did TSO's. It seems like you're trying to plant seeds of doubt.

Wasn't that a sheeping vote, by the way?
Also, your answer is pigeon poop: the fact that TSO gave no content alongside with the vote doesn't make your vote better.

Why is this bad logic and what does it have to do with ZZZX not posting? I think ZZZX is scum too, but Garmr is scummier.

I still don't think we should end the Day without reading anything from a widely-suspected player.

Why would you think they would have recruited you by now?

After my Day1/Day2 pigeon poop?

You're gonna need to explain this one too.

Not getting answers and reactions for this:

I don't think the scumteam is playing particularly well. They're not playing poorly either. I just think a lot of random things went their way and they probably took advantage of the hider mess.

makes me sad.

[Aneninen]

Well I will just get it out: I am not invested in this game at all. That much is true. But if you wana lynch me for some other reason pretending its not that then you are scum and you must be lynched for it.

Hum-hum, and Elyse missed this.
She said I wasn't investing in the game. What about ZZZX in this case?
What if it's ZZZX/Elyse?

[Aneninen]

ZZZX you are the worst replacement ever.

Why are you so offensive to ZZZX and why were you so offensive to his predecessor?
That's something which I could easily imagine from a scum-you being (genuinely?) annoyed by your partner.

[Aneninen]

Oh. Garmr has just ninja-ed me.
Then I may be wrong about TSO. Just a usual piece of Aneninen-ish misread.

[Aneninen]

TSO,
If you're town let's win this game together and I may start believing that I'm simply paranoid about you. ^_^

[Aneninen]

Actually that makes sense...
...especially since I was twice away from the scum-lynch, twice on (including Garmr), one of these was started by me. Adding my notorious liar gamestyle, to tell the truth, I have no idea why anyone would think I'm townier than you...

That post went for TSO's previous one, not the latest one.

[Aneninen]

Sorry, I'll post later; this evening or tomorrow. I've run out of time.

[Aneninen]

Feel free to call me an idiot later.

But if I'm wrong, for your info I'm not scum. But ZZZXs latests have been terrible and I've wantrd to lynch him for a while.

VOTE: ZZZX

Mobilepost anyway.

[Aneninen]

Elyse I'll answer you later if the game happens to go on at all.

[Aneninen]

I know that I'm looking very badly now.

Still...

Should we go for NoLynch with no discussion or should I express my opinion Today?

[Aneninen]

*I look

(Dafuq have I just posted)

[Aneninen]

Can I have time?
I know that I f-cked this up for the town and now I know where I did so (and no, it wasn't Clotilde).

[Aneninen]

I haven't forgotten about this game, as I have time, I'll post.

[Aneninen]

6 days???!! Dafuq, I thought we had 14

[Aneninen]

Tomorrow, okay?
It's 0:45 here...

[Aneninen]

So.
MOHIS and Varsoon are Cop-cleared. Even if noone seems to believe me, I'm town. Therefore, it's Elyse.
(According to TWIE, scums must have a Roleblocker and it would be very strange if there were a Roleblocker+GF PR or something like that, so I'm simply ignoring the possibility that it's MOHIS or Varsoon. If we're wrong, we can do nothing about it.)

As for the TSO-Nightkill. I know it's a WIFOM. It makes sense from Elyse to frame me (also, I don't think TSO would ever have been lynched). Unfortunately, it makes sense from me too. Especially because I did something similar in one of my last scum games. (Although I don't think Elyse has heard of it at all.)

Examining the lynches.
Klingonette: Elyse ON (4th) – Aneninen Away
Dapper: Elyse ON (2nd) – Aneninen Away
Alchemist: Elyse ON (5th) – Aneninen Away (Dafuq was I doing here? As far as I remember I'd been scumreading Alchemist.)
Eagle: Elyse ON (3rd) – Aneninen Away (This is getting ridiculous...)
I Am Innocent: Elyse ON (5th) – Aneninen Away (I'll post more about this later)
PeregrineV: Elyse ON (3rd) – Aneninen ON (1st)
Garmr: Elyse ON (2nd) – Aneninen ON (3rd)
ZZZX: Elyse ON (2nd) – Aneninen ON (4th)

Fffffffft, this is terrible. However, Elyse was on all of the lynches and that's a point where I can start searching for something. Somehow I need to prove she's the scum, not me.

The worst thing I did was to post that I should be lynched before LyLo. I've been afraid of staying alive until LyLo all the time. Had I managed to post the spoiler of 3806 in time... but I got locked out of the Day while writing that. (You can check the time tags.) At that point I hoped we still have a Vig or something like that who could eliminate me.
Nevertheless, town cared very little about me and scums, I know, was planning to LyLo with me.
And I know it looks impossible to convince anyone now that I'm town. I'll still be trying it.

More will come later.

[Aneninen]

I know it's nearly impossible but I'll still try to do this.

(1) Elyse was never wagoned. That doesn't help. (On Day2 Garmr was voting for her for a long time, by the way.)

(2) Let's see her attitude towards Klingonette.

(2/1) Questioning Spifflop about his vote in 194.
(2/2) In 235 this:

"I don't like Anen's 233. There are a bunch of random comments that don't go anywhere, followed by an easy vote on Kling."

– And she votes for me instantly! Classic chainsaw!
(2/3) Jumping on Eagle in 273 (Hm-hm. Did my wagon lose momentum?)
(2/4) Agreed with Spifflop in 350 – He said Alchemist, Grapes and Klingonette would be good wagons. But Elyse stayed on Eagle!
(2/5) This in 372!

"And yeah Kling deserves votes but parking a vote on him now is fruitless since he hasn't posted since his FoS."

– !!!!!!!!
(2/6) Then she voted for Klingonette in 413. Lack of reasoning there. (In 434 this:

"Yeah the FoS was scummy but considering I can summarize your ISO with the word "nothing" and your refusal to give a read of any sort, you deserve to hang."

)
(2/7) Back to Eagle in 611, but that wagon was not working. Back to Klingonette again in 662.

"As much as I want to lynch EE I think Kling is even scummier."

(2/8) 794 and 820 are the rare occasions when she actually

interacted

with Klingonette. Most of the time Elyse was talking

about

her, talking

at

her, but not talking

to

her.
(2/9) Meanwhile... she had quite a lot of "spare scumreads". Like Eagle, Randomidget (in 885). She seemed to keep a lot of possibilities open in case of a counter-wagon got launched.
(2/10) Another interaction with Klingonette in 1122:

"HOW IS THIS NOT LYNCHED ALREADY???"

– That's not the Elyse I know. Seems utterly fake, because she's much more subtle and polite in most cases. (Besides, yet again, she was talking at Klingonette, not talking to.)

I've seen – and experienced – that scums tend to see their buddies much scummier than they really are. That might have happened to Elyse too. Although, there's a more likely possibility. The scums may have lost control over the Klingonette-wagon and it would have been very suspicious if Elyse had jumped off after that hard-push.
The most relevant bits are (2/2) (2/5) and (2/8)

You may ask why I jumped off the Klingonette wagon. At that time we had another game together. She flipped scum there and her gameplay was different here. Therefore I thought she couldn't be scum here. (I mentioned it earlier, I merely recapitulated it.)

________

I'll go on later.

[Aneninen]

(3) Another thing which is worth investigating the other scums attitude towards Elyse.

(3/1) Garmr. (30 matches for Elyse's name.) Very early scumread which seems to disappear to 166. He answered Elyse's post next in... 2294.

And that's all!

(3/2) I Am Innocent. (21 matches). NO interaction at all!

(3/3) PeregrineV. (6 matches). Contentless vote in 714 which is changed to Spifflop, responding to Elyse in 982. Nothing else. (He talked to me on his last Day relatively a lot. The other two scums never talked to me. Weird.)

I know it's not much, but there's something else. Clotilde.
Garmr mentioned the topic once (730

" I think maybe his obsessing over some sort of power role/gambit since his pretty much soft claiming with this clotid stuff."

).
PeregrineV never talked about it.
Nor I Am Innocent.
Elyse asked who the f-ck she was in 584, posted this in 2859:

"I'm going to put Aneninen in the townpile. After a lot of thinking I just don't think he would have put himself out there with the Clotilde thing as scum. "

, this in 3179:

"For me it goes back to his Clotilde gambit. It seems like something he wouldn't do as scum and it looked like an attempt to solve the game. Since then his posts haven't really wowed me but they aren't scummy either."

.
There were so many players freaking out of Clotilde but none of the scums. Maybe one of them (I guess, Elyse herself, but maybe Klingonette?) informed everyone at the Mafia QT (it was working on Day1) that I often did gambits like that (and I sometimes lied even as a townie).

________

Three more little things to add.
Firstly, it's easy from my point of view: Elyse is scum because there are no other possibilities. Even if you don't believe me (although I hope you will), I can only see everything as a townie.
Secondly, I know I don't have much credit. Actually I never wanted to get any. Remember, in early-game I wanted to save some PR-aßes (even if I was wrong about them), later I told all of you that I should be removed before LyLo. Why on Gods Green Earth did I needed town-credit for THAT? Even worse, I was in a very similar situation in a recent game. A LyLo where I was the obv-scum and I was whining all the time like "I'm framed and it has been planned for Days, f-ck this shyt, blah, blah" – in the end I survived to flip scum. Now I'm town and frankly, I don't know what to do. I feel Online Karma.
Thirdly, however this is obvious: if you have questions, fire them away! (Elyse, it's absolutely not personal but from now on I'm ignoring your accusations. If anyone else wants me to respond your posts, I'll do.)

[Aneninen]

Most of those points are in my favor.

This whole f-cking MyLo is in your favour. When did you start planning it?

[Aneninen]

Don't worry, Elyse, I'll reach your recent posts too.
It takes some time, you know. You must have had plenty of time for planning this situation. I didn't have. Even if I have very little chance, I still have 5 days.

VOTE: Elyse

I don't think I need explain this vote.

[Aneninen]

I'm reading plenty of Elyse.

Tomorrow, assuming I have time, I'll post about the pre-TWIE-claim Elyse and the post-TWIE-claim one. I suppose that was a kind of turning point for the scum team.
Meanwhile, I'm just leaving this here. An older readlist from her. Knowing all the flips it's full of surprises.

Passionate Storm - town
Garmr - town
I Am Innocent - scummy but getting better
ZZZX (replaces inte) - scum
PeregrineV - who the hell knows, probably town
TheWayItEnds - town
T S O - town
Shiro - scum if EE isn't
My Other Head Is Scum - scum
Extrapolated Eagle - scum
Aneninen - town
randomidget - town
Errantparabola - could be scum but probably not with EE
Elyse - town
Varsoon - town

My guess is that the team is {EE, ZZZX, MOHIS, IAI} or {Shiro, ZZZX, errant, MOHIS} with possibly IAI in the second team and possible PerV in either.

I would be very down for a ZZZX or MOHIS lynch because I think they are scum regardless, but an EE scumflip is the most helpful because in my mind it would clear errant and Shiro and TSO for those who have doubts about him.

[Aneninen]

I need to work now; I'll be back a couple of hours later.
Please, wait for me!

[Aneninen]

Quick post.
Varsoon, your reasoning is wrong. Not only because TSO was misreading me; you should form your

own

reads.

Also... how can I phrase it... are you aware of the nature of the remaining scum's PR? And... when I flip town, erm, do you think I f-cked this game up on Day1?

More will come later.

[Aneninen]

Hero?

Lynching someone without any discussion is very far from being a hero, it's mere dumbness. As I said, I'm open to questions.

Elyse, why are you so nervous? It's still 90% that you're going to win this game for scum. If it hadn't been at least partially me who'd lost this for town, I wouldn't even care much.
Or wait... actually there IS something I can find and prove that you're scum. That'swhy you're in a hurry.

[Aneninen]

(4) Here comes our pre-TWIE Elyse.

(4/1) She voted for Dapper (2024), gave some, but not much reasoning almost 70 posts later (2093).
(4/2) This looks important. She mostly agreed with TSO's readlist.

"I mostly concur with your reads list except I'm reading randomidget as scum and I don't get the null town on My Other Head is Scum since they're probably the scummiest lurker IMO."

(2361, 2386) Not only can we see townies in TSO's list read as scum, but also something else. It's well-known how aggressive TSO is and I can imagine easily scums trying to be appeasing to him.
(4/3) 2424 is a blatant misrepresentation of Random's post. It's strange that noone seems to have noticed it.

(4/4) Voted for Alchemist in 2637. Indeed, Alchemist looked very scummy, but most of that post was about different things.

"I still think randomidget is scum and

Garmr is leaning town

with Aunt Jemina."

" Of the lurkers, I think MOHIS is scummiest and TWIE seems the most town."

"

No fucking idea about PerV, IAI

, and inte."

– Soooooooo, there were quite a lot of low-content players at that point. She named one as town-ish, another one scummy and both of the actual scums null. I wonder, why...
(4/5) By the way, all those speculations about Gwen's Night Action. I only know I love to be speculative when I'm scum.
(4/6) 2690.

"We lynched scum day 1 and just lynched near confscum. We're in good shape.

Well, town is at least.

"

...and the point of that highlighted part was...? (It was at Twilight, when Alchemist had been hammered.)

(4/7)

"IAI and random were the two who seemed to know Alch was town so I think starting there would be good. I also have to revist Shiro because she looks pretty bad with an Alch townflip."

in 2772. In 2835 she voted for IAI:

"VOTE: I Am Innocent – I'm trusting everyone else who says random is town for now."

– Okaaaaay, but
(4/8) She started "seeing Errant as scum" in 2859 (looking for an alternative wagon?)
(4/9) In 2950 she was back to this:

"This is why I think random could be scum."

– Well-well-well... (Even if she had a respond to me in the same post, it's still hella-confusing.) Especially with 3086, where she was "on the fence". (Waiting whether the Random-wagon achieves anything...?) And there's the vote for Random in 3271. Wow.
(4/10) After Random's claim she unvotes in 3335 with this:

"I was afraid of this. One comment random made that was like "let me figure this out hold on" kinda tipped me off but I didn't want to alert scum."

(Typically a thing I like to do as scum.)
(4/11) Voted for Eagle in 3345,

"It makes sense that there's one scum between him and random."

– Lazy jump on the lynch-wagon.
(4/12) There was the readlist in 3543. I've already shown that. Mind where the known scums on that list!
(4/13) And here's the turning point. 3675 – right after TWIE's claim:

"Game's basically on autopilot now assuming there's no GF or something."

. Although he voted for IAI there, she moved on to ZZZX in 3692... and back to IAI in 3704. Don't get fooled: because of Errant's counterclaim at that point IAI's lynch was pretty much inevitable.
(4/14) I don't want to link everything but everyone should check ZZZX's posts nearby! His interactions with Elyse is

really

important. Eg. his 3701:

"Also If we flip scum in IaI I am going for elyse next. pretty much stringing crappy posts following common wagon number 13"

________

I'll go on from this point, with the post-TWIE-claim Elyse.

[Aneninen]

After your unvote it doesn't seem to be important anymore.
I thought you might have an alignment changing PR, especially after your last post about the Skywalker schtick. In that case it would have made some sense to lynch me and use it on Elyse next. But since she's most probably Roleblocker...

I'm going on.

MOHIS. Where are you?

[Aneninen]

(5) Post-TWIE Elyse seems to be relatively short and easy.

(5/1) In 3793 she said

"My list is T S O > Aneninen > PeregrineV > Garmr > ZZZX"

. No additional reasoning and the list ends with ZZZX, just in case.
(5/2) In her 3799 he posted this about TSO, reflecting to Garmr:

"No he's not. I mean I think he's town but he's not confirmed."

– That was a part of a short discussion between TSO and her. It's worth reading it. Actually they cast doubts about both TSO and TWIE. In 3801 Elyse answered this to Garmr:

"Then why did you say "pretty much"? A cop clear is pretty cut and dry."

Garmr's answer was:

"I don't know. Twie hasn't flipped so it's not confirmed. My interest in this game has pretty much dropped since eagle flipped town."

– If we check Elyse's gameplay we can see that she's jumped on players for much smaller reasons. Also,

she

told me that I'd been

"trying to plant seeds of doubt"

.
(5/3) There's something interesting. In 3807 I voted for ZZZX and PeregrineV followed me in the very next post. Firstly, at that point ZZZX must have been their planned mislynch. But, in 3811 I launched the PeregrineV-wagon (and I guess this was the amongst the very few good things I'd ever done in this game). After TSO followed us, the deal was pretty much sealed, I guess. (Also, if I were scum, why on Gods' Green Earth would I have left the ZZZX-wagon when there had been a good chance for pushing it to lynch to launch a new wagon on a scumbuddy? To earn town credit? In

my

situation?)
(5/4) Her 3850.

"The reason I had Pere above ZZZX and Garmr was because of his alchemist vote after alchemist was lynched. But not knowing who the vig is just seems fake. Not sure if he's at L-1 or L-2 and don't feel like checking so I'll hold off voting him until everyone claims."

The later part must have been about PeregrineV, and it was a great excuse for not voting for him. The first part is pigeon poop. The post she was referring to was (5/1) but that had been posted AFTER the IAI flip and Errant's claim! However, having seen the VC she put her vote on PeregrineV immediately with this comment:

Lol oops I thought he had more on him.

(5/5) Her 3873.

"Out of the unconfirmed group (Elyse, T S O, Aneninen, ZZZX, Garmr, PeregrineV), I'm assuming there are three scum. If one of the cop clears is a GF or something that would suck hard but there's really no way to account for that. So, in essence, we choose the two towniest of that group and lynch everyone else."

– Firstly, at that point she was generally townread. Secondly, quite a few players (including me) had been pointed out before that scums had had to have something against the Cop/Doc combination. (I'd guessed Godfather anyway.) Why would anyone ignore this obvious possibility? (And she did that more than once!)

(5/6) Here, there's another change. She voted on Garmr (right after TSO) in 3913 and in 3919 she started attacking me. (Remember, I used to be a townread of her before!) THIS must have been the Night when Garmr and she talked their plan out. Bus Garmr out and go for the ZZZX+Aneninen mislynches, because Elyse still had been townread by most of the players. Also, Elyse must be the Mafia Roleblocker, which was a crucial PR for them while TWIE was alive.
(5/7) THIS!!! TSO said in 3920:

"if Elyse is scum she's done a freakily good job of mimicking my thought processes on every single event."

– Having ISO-ed Elyse I realized that the OPPOSITE had happened many times! TSO posted something and Elyse said she agreed!
(5/8) In the same post, she said this:

" I don't think the scumteam is playing particularly well. They're not playing poorly either. I just think a lot of random things went their way and they probably took advantage of the hider mess."

– Somehow it sounds very fake.
(5/9) Now, we're interacting! 3933. There was this part:

"So why'd you call mine out and not TSO's? I justified my reason later so I get you saying that it has no content but neither did TSO's. It seems like you're trying to plant seeds of doubt."

– It's not about the topic itself. It's about the fact that she tried to "plant the seeds of doubts in me about TSO"! Even if she'd been townreading him for a long time... DAFUQ?
(5/10) 3973. Feel free to read the whole interaction with me, because right now I'm quotin only a small part:

"I've wanted to lynch ZZZX for a while now and the fact that he's still alive is unnerving, but Aneninen has really been pinging as of late. I'm not too worried about it because we still have a mislynch, but I'm not sure who I want to lynch today."

– And she asked me why I'd wanted to be the mislynch before (and she was worried about it). It's clear she hoped after the ZZZX lynch I'd be the obvious next one.

(5/11) After ZZZX's lynch, Today. She agreed in 4007 a NoLynch wouldn't hurt. But as she gets some backing from Varsoon, she votes for me immediately, in 4015.
(5/12) And she brings out TSO's reads in 4017. Everyone knows it's a WIFOM, but yet again, it arrived after Varsoon had brought up the topic in his 4014. She was over-cautios here when it's clear it's a you or me situation.

________

Post-edit.
Varsoon, it was written in the advertisment there might be alignment changing roles.

[Aneninen]

Well, shyt happens.

At least it makes me happy that it wasn't me who f-cked this up for town. I had literally zero chance.

Although, there's one thing I don't understand. Who blocked TWIE? Is Elyse scum too?

[Aneninen]

Jason, thanks for modding!

GG Everyone, especially Elyse! (By the way, Happy Scumday, Elyse, Randomidget!)

Unfortunately, the spectators were right. Even I knew that I looked much scummier than Elyse.
I was aware of the fact that the scums had been digging my grave for a while. I genuinely hoped a Vig-shot or something like that removes me before LyLo, but it never happened.
I shouldn't have voted for ZZZX that fast. But, his reaction was the same as Garmr's that I thought he had to be scum. After the flip I knew everything was lost. I should have posted more about Elyse earlier, I should have kept a closer eye on her.

I don't regret my early gameplay at all. (By the way, that Clotildizer PR would be fun to play. ^_^) I didn't lose this because of that. When I realized I'd never be Nightkilled or pre-emptively lynched, I had those good Days, especially launching PeregrineV's lynch and going after Garmr (who had a good gameplay too) instead of ZZZX. The Day before MyLO. That was my mistake. Sorry, everyone!


By the way, I too think the Setup was a bit town-sided.

[Aneninen]

Yeah, TSO did a lot for bringing the scums down.

Actually, if anyone's interested in, I had another problem. I knew that my last Day's gameplay had been basically the mixture of my last two endgames – and I'd been scum in both cases. I had no idea what

else

I could do, apart from the same as I did before with the difference that I'd been telling the truth

this time

. I don't think Elyse checked those games but had anyone done so, it would have been over for me instantly.

Jason

, can I
/pre-in
for the next one?
Assuming noone has objections.

[Aneninen]

Jason

can we see at least the Dead Thread?

[Aneninen]

Klingonette.
I'm phrasing the situation from a different point of view. I know it's a shytty feeling when one gets caught too easily. But, Mafia is a team-game and sometimes you are worth more dead than alive. (If you're interested in, it was the same at Team Mafia. When it got clear that I'd never get a townread we started planning my lynch. Even if it looked as if a single player had been flailing, five players was working on that.)
Aaaaaaaaaand,

it's never over 'till it's over

. In this situation, you earned my townread on you and Elyse milked it seriously later. I bet she would have had harder times if I hadn't jumped of your wagon on Day1...

Also, Gwen and others. Sorry to say but I don't think I'd ever be able to find that clue about hiding. At that time I'd been very busy IRL and I wasn't able to find how important it was later. To tell the truth, at MyLo re-reading those posts of Elyse I felt something was wrong there but I couldn't put my finger on it.

[Aneninen]

getting shot made me sad

Getting shot would have made me happy. ^_^

[Aneninen]

Anen you sell yourself short you were town read for the majority of the game and you had some nice reads. If elyse didn't have such a strong start and mid game you might of won.

I genuinely thought I'd seen some town-PR crumbs (although I don't remember all of them now) and I wanted to create some mist for them. Sometimes I decide pre-game that I'll kamikaze attack the scums, which has two advantages. Here, none of them worked. Elyse simply out-played me. ^_^

Am I the only one who thinks Slayer's Gambit is a giant crock of shit?

It is, or at least, playing scummy intentionally is a very bad play.
However, I don't think anyone expects me to agree with the "Lynch All Liars" doctrine. ^_^

So my tips to get people to believe.
-address peoples points against you instantly and try not to dance around them. (you kinda danced around mine)
-Try to avoid arguing terminology
-eliminate as much possible town reasoning of why they could do it as possible.
-avoid making yourself looking scummy on purpose then using that to try and convince others that the people who jumped onto you were scum. Slayers is bad.
-Try not to be perceived as crazy by offering solid logic and possible reasoning as to why this person did that.

That's a good list. I might add these:
– build logical cases, or if you can't find logical cornerstones, admit that you have a gut-read. Others might find the missing things for the case. Even a half-baked case can be pumped-up by another townie.
– Admit your mistakes. If you're fudging around them, that looks much scummier than to say "sorry, misread it", "don't remember", "my logic was wrong", etc.
– Change your reads, not the facts. If a scumread does something blatantly town-ish, question your reads instead of "twisting" everything to confirm you.
– And, obviously, the most Aneninen-ish piece of advice: never be afraid of dying for your team! ^_^

And Eagle, sometimes "less content is more". Shorter posts are much more easier to read and comprehend. (Actually I'm coping with the same problem all the time.)

I'm not saying I played a perfect game and I don't care if you reflect on your play. But saying that I played like I had no mind of my own and fell for your gambit are lies so I'm going to call you out.

There's no such thing as perfect gameplay. ^_^
The scum team may have made mistakes, but they were good enough for beating us.

Haters gonna hate Elyse

Lol, Elyse is fun to play with. But I sweeeeeeeeeeeeear I'll catch her once! ^_^

________

And my golden rule (*preach, preach*): Sometimes you kick aß, sometimes your aß gets kicked. That's Mafia. But once the game is over, it's over; what I really hate is people throwing pigeon poop at each other at post-game. (The latest part was not for this post-game, that was a general thing.)

[Aneninen]

Elyse join the next game you could be anyone pwease.

I will

VOTE: Elyse
Starting that game preemptively. ^_^

[Aneninen]

Also, Eagle, a scum is caught when they flip. It's not enough to find a scum, you also have to build up a case strong enough to attract enough votes.
And all of us are familiar with that 'I knew it!' feeling. And all of us have been lynched a couple of times instead of our scumreads.

[Aneninen]

Except for me. I want that Clotildizer PR for real.