You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[itlepip]

Holt shit guys wait a sec, I had a whole RVS vote planned and now I can't use it .

Quick reads, Passionate Storm is super town, I don't get the scumread at all.

EE feels like tryhard scum right now, I feel like the gambit start is a way to explain away future scumreads, so I don't like it at all. Really since when is not voting during RVS a gambit? The way town and scum calls you out on it is that same 'vote'. I feel like that was a setup so he could say that he is always scumread cause of gambits which gives him room to be scummy.

Gamr feels a little gut scummy but I feel a little sheepy with that read so \_(ツ)_/

VOTE: alliterated bird

PEdit: really this is moving so fast...
Not happy with Titus holding reads, EE prolly knows exactly who is town and who isn't

[itlepip]

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

this hydra really needs to label it's posts, I have really different opinions about Hiplop and spiffeh in terms of play.

[itlepip]

VOTE: Spider Gwen

That doesn't look like RVS. Why?

explain this?

It doesn't look like RVS to me....not really much to explain there.

~Titus

I feel like scumTitus is much more cautious (read lurking) than making this sort of honestly out there post. Like the justification sucks so it feels like genuine gut which is towny.

Pedit: please...

[itlepip]

do you have much experience with her?

Much more than should be statistically possible for someone with 8 games on the site, yes.

[itlepip]

have you accurately been able to read her?

been bamboozled yet?

Couldn't read her in 2, 2 are still going, 1 I thought she was scum when she wasn't, 1 I thought she was town and she was.

[itlepip]

Also give me this read, this is the only playstyle/meta read I can do this game if you are going to hide Spiffeh.

[itlepip]

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun :)

Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

I'm assuming this is Spiffeh. Have I played with you before? I don't know what you're remembering me from.

I like Titus' 183 a lot. Lots of good, original stuff in there. Also liking what I see from iteplop so far.

Pretty sure we are dealing with Hiplop right now.

See hippeh we can't tell

[itlepip]

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

Ok what changed from this post

my amazing case against EE.

[itlepip]

hey yay, the only thing I have done is townread Titus and scumread EE. You should scumread me too!!

[itlepip]

Titus is town.
Still standing by EP being town after reading more of him. His push on EE looks town (even though EE looks town to me rn)

Titus. Do you think that acting town should be implicit or explicit?

Actually wtf is this question supposed to accomplish?
AJ is town.
Klingon is a FANTASTIC vote gj hiplop <3
TSO sounds fake to me but hiplop said he thinks he's town so I'll let it play out.
Hate Garmr's first post.
itlepip's opening seems rehearsed to me idk I just have a weird gut feeling that he's scum.
Elyse looks town.

Klingon is a great vote she should be wagon thx

~Spiffy

I knew that EE was going to do that whole gambit thing?

[itlepip]

EP what are your some of your thoughts outside of EE?

~Spiffy

I can definitely follow and agree with what most of what Gwen is saying outside of the Titus read and the Garmr trying to interact with Gwen being town points.
So for that, Gwen is town.

Don't understand the townreads on AJ.

209 don't understand if this is legitimate misunderstanding or just a deflection. I'm leaning towards the latter.
That being said I don't think 172 seems rehearsed and although I am slightly uncomfortable with how spifflop says it is (172 seemed like a post that someone who wanted to push a mislynch would say is rehearsed), the lop part is acting pretty towny.

I do not like 203. VOTE: itlepip
Disregarding whether or not 172 is genuine

, this post doesn't add up. If you really are trying to read me 172 and the post of Titus meta are the only serious posts I have made, 203 and its ilk are joke. I know that joke posts can be read but 'not liking' a joke post just means you didn't find it funny, don't be spiffeh. Also the whole 172 case is a mislynch but if I am actually scum doesn't make any sense. You are town, but you were on the right wagon, so get back on it if this is your case.

[itlepip]

Sorry VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

[itlepip]

In hindsight, I have to say, though, this gambit failed me. Perhaps I didn't use it correctly or there's more to gain from it after I take a step back, but right now I'm pretty disappointed with the results. :/

He fricken said it was a gambit, how was it not a gambit???

[itlepip]

Effin auto correct

who the hell are you?

[itlepip]

A man is no one.

please don't tell me you are going to talk like this the whole game.

[itlepip]

In hindsight, I have to say, though, this gambit failed me. Perhaps I didn't use it correctly or there's more to gain from it after I take a step back, but right now I'm pretty disappointed with the results. :/

He fricken said it was a gambit, how was it not a gambit???

Ok I'm going to respond to everything else in just a minute but this was particularly drawing my attention so I feel like I should be cleared up:

I've gone over that post over and over, and that just does not fit. It's the "before" that's throwing me off. It tells me that he's scum now, not in a past game. I mean, I wish I'm wrong here. I'm hoping that Eagle is able to clear this up and I just looked at it cross-eyed somewhere, because I really don't trust the whole slip notion in the first place. But I just can't wrap my head around how that could be anything else.

He is saying that because he lacks the experience as scum what EP is suggesting as a gambit is not a thing he would do. At least that is how I read it

This. This is what was going on. I'm not scum. Before was inclusive, but shiro nailed why I said what I did.

Hey guys that are townreading EE here, lynch all liars should apply here right?

[itlepip]

I liked it because it stood out. I didn't see scum sticking their neck put for something like that.

I asked grapes why they neglected to provide a firm stance on what happened with kling and chose to ask an open ended question. They did not respond. I think that they are trying to avoid sticking their neck out, if anything.

I can join the fruit train, itlepip is going nowhere.
VOTE: grapes

wait you were scumreading me? when did this happen?

Pedit: my poor EE wagon :(

[itlepip]

In hindsight, I have to say, though, this gambit failed me. Perhaps I didn't use it correctly or there's more to gain from it after I take a step back, but right now I'm pretty disappointed with the results. :/

He fricken said it was a gambit, how was it not a gambit???

Ok I'm going to respond to everything else in just a minute but this was particularly drawing my attention so I feel like I should be cleared up:

I've gone over that post over and over, and that just does not fit. It's the "before" that's throwing me off. It tells me that he's scum now, not in a past game. I mean, I wish I'm wrong here. I'm hoping that Eagle is able to clear this up and I just looked at it cross-eyed somewhere, because I really don't trust the whole slip notion in the first place. But I just can't wrap my head around how that could be anything else.

He is saying that because he lacks the experience as scum what EP is suggesting as a gambit is not a thing he would do. At least that is how I read it

This. This is what was going on. I'm not scum. Before was inclusive, but shiro nailed why I said what I did.

Hey guys that are townreading EE here, lynch all liars should apply here right?

NYEHHH!! how is this stuff towny? I could move to grapes or random here though on gut and sheep.

Pedit: oh god... I don't want to argue about a joke post and semantics again please, yeah nvm forget I asked. That was and will always be a joke post though.

[itlepip]

itlepip is town af

Shiro and Varsoon do something useful and vote for grapes.

itlepip continue doing something useful and vote for grapes.

~Spiffy

answer my question then I will, how is that thing towny?

[itlepip]

Pedit: oh god... I don't want to argue about a joke post and semantics again please, yeah nvm forget I asked. That was and will always be a joke post though.

What about my post signaled to you I wanted to have an argument?
I don't understand why you would preemptively retract your question like this.

I had a game where the first day was just

Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking.

Clearly itlepip is paying attention closely enough to see that my post wasn't meant for here but he can't answer my question or contribute elsewhere?

I don't really have an opinion on the whole Anti thing, I personally think that sort of stuff is NAI and even if it is it kinda spoils the game for me so I choose to ignore it. Past that not much has happened aside from a weird semantics argument between Gilgamesh and Notty that I think Gil won but I doubt matters. I have read the last few pages, but I just don't have anything to add and as I learned in another game saying things when you don't have strong opinions of the matter is pretty bad.

Also I did answer your question, in the post before you asked the question. The reason I left that argument is because you were asking the exact same questions over and over and your problems with my responses were minor semantics. If you feel there is anything that is actually a significant scumtell, please post it.


Here is post 261 so you can actually read it and find your answer.

Spoiler: 261

You just said that my reaction was what caused you to be comfortable with your wagon, so I linked my reaction.

But you asked if that's why I started the wagon. That is not why I started the wagon.

Really a joke post 3 pages into the game was your scum read?

Yeah. Would you like to point me to something else scummy in those three pages that I didn't address?

First let's not be asinine with each other. Scum reading a joke post that isn't about the game should only ever be a meta read, which I am sure you don't have on me and certainly isn't evidence of scum.
Second

idk spiffeh, that seems overly aggressive for a weak reason

@CP: not really, no.

This could easily and was pushed.

Honestly going back to the question of why you started the wagon was probably this post. You posted 3-4 times after my joke post without mentioning and then after CB said this you jumped on the wagon and went back to try to find a passable attack.

All of that is fine that early in the game, but 11 pages in having a hard scum read based on a joke is ridiculous. I don't think that my joke post was actually what you think was the scummiest thing this game, so I think you are trying to go back and make excuses and are slipping up.

PEdit:Because it objectively was a semantics argument. I was talking about why you started my wagon and all you did is talk about the difference between why you started the wagon and the evidence that you got for the wagon a few posts later. When you are giving politician answers to my questions instead of actually addressing them, I generally will just move on and drop a vote on you instead of trying to get you to actually answer the question.

Either you think that you were pushing me due to my response to your wagon, which doesn't make sense because you have to have the wagon before I respond to it or the whole wagon was based on that joke post which you admitted was an incredibly weak reason for pushing my wagon. Either way it doesn't hold up and you going on like you had some highground in the argument is making me scumread you.

sort of thing with spiffeh. Spiffeh seems better this game imo.

[itlepip]

Itlepip, what do you think about my interpretation on your eagle is lying case

Waiting for him to respond...

[itlepip]

What gambit are you talking about right now?

[itlepip]

What gambit are you talking about right now?[/quotei don't specifically remember what it was. It was awhile ago, and on another site.

Okay, I'm trying to lead you without leading you, this is hard.
1). Have you been accused of any gambits this game?
2). Have you done any gambits this game?

[itlepip]

kk UNVOTE: all I needed. When you were saying that you didn't do the gambit I thought you were referring to the first gambit not the second non-gambit. I think you can understand why I was confused.

VOTE: Grapes

Pedit: ohh it is this guy, great...

a man thinks that a man's style of posting might make a man mad at a man so a man wants a man to stop saying a man when referring to a man or a man.

[itlepip]

VOTE: Spider Gwen

That doesn't look like RVS. Why?

explain this?

It doesn't look like RVS to me....not really much to explain there.

~Titus

I feel like scumTitus is much more cautious (read lurking) than making this sort of honestly out there post. Like the justification sucks so it feels like genuine gut which is towny.

Pedit: please...

Then this one is best served in waiting for one who is knowing how to read Titus sort that one. These things Titus is doing as either alignment

This post would be improved by someone having this post be posted so that one doesn't use words such as one to describe multiple different parties because for other ones it doesn't make any sense.

Do you refute the read or is Titus just accepted as a goddess that no one can ever read, especially some newb that doesn't even talk in third person?

[itlepip]

I was planning to give you the book titled How to Make out Plenty of Things out of Nothing for Christmas, but I think you already have that one.

A man is reading that one is currently in plagiarism litigation against that author and as such isn't having the liberty to comment.

VOTE: Dapper, you are 400 posts into rereading the game and the posts you take are my read on Titus without a real refutation and whatever this is trying to say.

[itlepip]

VOTE: Klingoncelt.
While I am scumreading them, regardless of their alignment, I think Celty is sour for this:

FoS: Passionate Storm

:igmeou: I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

There is no reason for an FoS, least of all when you have yet to cast a vote, at this stage in the game.

It's kind of a long story, starting with Titus and myself both being the types that get voted of Day 1, and ending with the Neighborhood from Hell, from which the grey/green spazhydra crawled out of a brown acid rabbit hole game Varsoon ran.

I can drop a vote on Jeanne in a New York minute, but it's very hard for me to vote for Titus on Day1. Don't worry, I'll get around to it.

do you have any other reads?

[itlepip]

Kling reads please.

Pedit: yay... at what point to we policy him for speaking in recognizable english?

[itlepip]

Kling, yes reads darling. You had trouble forming reads in that game you mentioned. You generally do as scum. Give me whatcha got, even if it's not done.

Pip, we aren't policy lynching d1. Let's just focus on town blocking. Jaquen can be annoying but that says nothing about his alignment.

this is titus right?

[itlepip]

Yeah, I'm surprised you don't have a read on me yet. Also I think MOHIS may be town.

[itlepip]

KLING FOR THE THIRD TIME, READS! I'm about the change votes again if you keep ignoring me and I already hit my quota today.

Pedit: yeah I'll unvote when you get reads then

VOTE: Celt

Pedit 2: have none of those reads changed in all of the pages since you made them?

[itlepip]

My gizzard is screaming at me right now. Shut up, gizzard. Let me think for a moment. You might have a point, but let me contemplate it.
@itlepip, passionate storm, Elyse, and anyone else who's on right now, what are your thoughts on Shiro and Varsoon?

Shiro is less giffy than I hoped for, and I didn't know varsoon was in this game :P

[itlepip]

@Elyse @Titus Back off of me, both of you. Seriously, I didn't say I would ask for the time. I didn't say I wanted to give her more time. You have your meta reads and stuff. Fine. Let me read her for myself. I wanted her answer and I was hoping to get it without it being polluted by anyone. I'm building a freaking theory here, I'm trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together and you're getting in the way. Did I ask you? No. So back off for a second and let the girl answer. I have to go into work somewhat early tomorrow, so I'm working on putting tomorrow morning's reads out tonight, but that's not going to happen if you mess with my answers. I promise you can yell about how I'm scum all you want AFTER I get my answer.

What the hell was this post, 'please don't formulate your own reads so I can form mine'. I think it might be town but I don't like it.

[itlepip]

Why is no one talking about EE making a post where he fencesits on about 8 people??!

[itlepip]

Eagle have you posted a read of me yet?

[itlepip]

I am feeling pretty cold about the Eagle wagon, he actually feels like the easy mislynch today for me. His posts have a noob quality to them, but I think at least for right now it is more noob town. I think that he thinks that the gambit was much more risky than it actually was, and so it was towny cause of that. Elyse's last post reads soo scummy to me... If you think he is scum you should go balls to the wall automatically, not just if other people are okay with that lynch. Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

[itlepip]

Don't like this eagle is a village idiot talk. Your letting eagle off the hook while dismissing the case against him.

The case against him is just that he has made posts with logic that doesn't fully work. I have played 3 games where this happened, we lynched the person and they flipped town. I don't think he is VI, but I think it should be pretty easy in later days to find scum motivation. Since there are more surprising scumminess, like Kling and Elyse, I don't support an EE lynch right now.

[itlepip]

Don't like this eagle is a village idiot talk. Your letting eagle off the hook while dismissing the case against him.

The case against him is just that he has made posts with logic that doesn't fully work. I have played 3 games where this happened, we lynched the person and they flipped town. I don't think he is VI, but I think it should be pretty easy in later days to find scum motivation. Since there are more surprising scumminess, like Kling and Elyse, I don't support an EE lynch right now.

You either read nothing of my posts or pretending not to.

TBH I probably missed a few. Going back over it your case is reasonable. I think the biggest/best point of it is how he is acting under pressure. For me from a gut point of view I think I understand why a town EE would do that. I'm not willing to townbloc with EE for example, but NVM continue, just realized something, I think the beginning is still valid so I'll keep but yeah I have no problem with you on the EE wagon. I don't like some of the people who are sort of poising to join the EE wagon if it goes anywhere (Elyse literally said this).

[itlepip]

EBWOP: That post didn't make any sense, sorry. Basically I missed a few posts, keep doing what you are doing, my post was more for the EE fence sitters like Elyse.

[itlepip]

Spiffyloppy and Spidey (Gwen), dearies, I do hope you take a nice good look at the composition of the grapes wagon you are forming and realize why grappy is sweet.

I need to look back at that grape post and double check to see if it was a knee jerk. Not happening tonight though.

grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

just say who they are...

[itlepip]

I am feeling pretty cold about the Eagle wagon, he actually feels like the easy mislynch today for me. His posts have a noob quality to them, but I think at least for right now it is more noob town. I think that he thinks that the gambit was much more risky than it actually was, and so it was towny cause of that. Elyse's last post reads soo scummy to me... If you think he is scum you should go balls to the wall automatically, not just if other people are okay with that lynch. Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

That's the word I was looking for that.

Lynchbait. That was the premise of my big gambit. I was/am lynchbait. But that's the goal. I understood this might go here when I did that.

But that's also two reasons Elyse is scum in this post:
1. Fell for gambit by intentionally trying to appear as if missing lynchbait/avoiding lynchbait by voting garmr
2. Votes people when there's "support" for it.

So I'm cool with this lynch. I don't think it will actually happen, in fact I hope it won't, particularly because I was hoping to lynch all the scum first. But if you need my blood first, that's fine. Unfortunately I doubt anyone will follow through on my ever accurate reads, so I kind of need to stay alive so we can win this, but if you manage without me, that's fun too.

But I'm totally for lynching Elyse and her scummy face first.

I will clarify my post a little by saying that I feel strongly that we shouldn't lynch EE today, I don't feel as strong that EE is town.

[itlepip]

I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

A wagon building fast so early in the game is built by Scum. Simple as that.

When did this become a thing? Cause I don't see what scum gains from it.

[itlepip]

@itlepip, passionate storm, Elyse, and anyone else who's on right now, what are your thoughts on Shiro and Varsoon?

Varsoon is town. No clue on Shiro.

---

Ok Titus is town.

~Spiffy

I strongly disagree.

heyyy, can you tell me who the 2 were and why titus is scum, thanksss..

[itlepip]

Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

I have been defending myself, short of roleclaiming.

You should read the game.

Oh wait, Scum don't read, do they?

So you're on my Scum list now.

your only 'defense' was just giving yourself more time to get reads. You haven't scumhunt anyone, you have made shit posts like your last two where you made gigantic generalizations in order to justify pure oppurtunism. Like of all of the posts in the game, that was the most scummy? Heck I think even in my iso I have had scummier posts this game. First off you don't have a defense so this post is a lie, second even if you did I have already missed or forgotten posts when there are 650 of them already. I'm not saying just ignore mistakes but if that is your top scumread at this point in the game you are doing something wrong, most likely drawing the wrong alignment.

[itlepip]

whos the scum on your wagon, kling?

Passionate Storm and itlepip for sure,

maybe you, AJ, &/or Elyse (Elyse is not looking like solid town right now.)

Aneninen, I never could read him, so maybe. The Cotilde thing is creepy btw.

So everyone on your wagon....

[itlepip]

Is anyone not scumreading/busing Kling right now?

[itlepip]

Actually fuck the EE wagon looks all town to me.

Maybe Garmr?

~Spiffy

Garmr's town I think,

[itlepip]

Interesting, but not scum, I don't think. The fos explanation makes sense, she was taking it slower to read people better. The other end of this is that it means she has to read people. Unfortunately her reads seem kind of OMGUS-y and not too in depth, but a lot of the time that's how town reacts under pressure, imo. Elyse's OMGUS was different, it was an over the top AtE OMGUS that she recognized in order to keep other people from getting a foothold on her. I don't like how long it's taking klingy to catch up in the thread or come up with reads, but I'm also not at all excited about the way she's being hounded by spifflop. I'm ok with hounding, but he just states "wrong" kinda and it's really frustrating to deal with. Klingon has at least until day 2 to prove herself in my opinion, there's scummier stuff in the pond.

1). In the early game a vote has so little value that FoS is like being worried about using a feather to hit someone so you use lint. And that is your only defense of Kling in this paragraph...

[itlepip]

@itlepip I will respond to your argument for Klingon if you respond to my argument for Elyse. Otherwise there's very little point in trying to discuss this with me

I think Elyse is scummy, but in your little review post you omitted 273 where her points seem a lot better than yours. Especially about whiteknighting and some misrepping that happened.

[itlepip]

I'm also slightly concerned how you openly state you refuse to interact with your scumreads. Just because you're confident that someeone is scum doesn't mean the rest of us are. So interacting would be a help.

Ok, I'm certain Elyse is scum. In my opinion interacting with her at this point in time will determine me from the task of making sure she is lynched, and I highly doubt that she will say anything that will make me reconsider. The things she could be doing to make me reconsider are all things she would be less likely to do while we're arguing over it.

p-edit looked quickly at your recent post and it looks like some of my questions might be answered there. Will respond to that, but for now Eagle, you ain't lookin' too bad. I think I might want to try and reevaluate you because I see you coming up with some decent content.
I see me in the future being less confident with any possible scummy thing you might do actually coming from a scum slot because I've convinced myself otherwise twice now, and I'm getting closer to thinking it might be something akin to playstyle

UNVOTE:

Thanks, I tried, haha. What can I say, I like to live on edge.

@Extrapolated Eagle, I like the effort your putting into this, but I can gurantee you will get burned out pretty quickly at this if you try to keep that amount for whole game. The game speed for this is much different than a blitz. Its more casual game.

I like you man, don't get burned out.

-Fire

gj on proving this wrong eagle lol

Not completely, I had to drop the role play stuff (it was annoying people anyways) and I wasn't even really able to finish my "reasons Elyse is scum" all the way this morning because I was doubting people would actually read all of it and I was so discouraged. But thanks anyways, I'm still going pretty strong And tomorrow maybe I'll finish a whole reads list (there are just so many people, lol)

You are doing great. I'm still in the enthusiastic noob phase and I am much more reserved than you. One suggestion in general is try to work towards tighter arguments, they are easier to read and are much more convincing, but that takes time.

I see your gut read about klingon, but at Elyse has given her reads. Kling has done nothing, and most of your read seems to be empathy based instead of looking at motives, which is dangerous.

[itlepip]

The difference is that Eagle is clearly town and Klingon isn't. Eagle is posting stuff, some of it is wrong, but as someone who does this the brain throw up on the thread is easy to read. Eagle is actually pretty high on my town list right now. Kling on the other hand still hasn't done anything that I know of that I can town read, but a lot that I can scum read. I feel like Eagle's read on Klingon is sympathy instead of analysis. I personally have no problem picking on people new to the site if I am trying to get a certain reaction, but with Eagle I have already gotten that reaction so there is no need.

Pedit: Okay, Elyse can go over your opinions on the controversial figures (grape, Kling, EE, Titus). The problem with kling is that she still hasn't responded to our accusations 300 posts ago. I originally voted to get a response, and when she talked about tangential stuff instead of about our questions my vote became a real read.

Pedit 2:um 273, all 3 of us agreed that your arguments were incorrect there.

[itlepip]

And even with that, this minor argument we've had has already set back some of the work I've done, I think. Neither Mr parabola nor itlepip is responding anymore, so maybe I just can't win.

It's just so frustrating trying to get places without getting messed up by you scumterupting.

I had RL stuff to do. My point is that do Klingon's posts really do anything for you, they are all neck deep in meta that only Titus knows. Since that is her only defense and its not convincing Titus \_(ツ)_/. She isn't doing anything to move town forward.

[itlepip]

OMFG meta....

[itlepip]

No, but if Kling can't make an argument that isn't meta and the consensus of people who know the meta is that the meta makes kling scum, I think kling is scum.

Pedit: Explain how it isn't fishing instead of attack Varsoon please.

[itlepip]

Lol wut, what reads????

I'm doing my usual as Town, whether you like it or not. Reads come as I get them.

So your only reads are AJ town and us scum? Really? Nothing on grapes Alch ee? Spiffeh? Elyse?

I posted a read on Grapes.

I want to re-read Elyse and Spiffeh.

Alchemist, Anen, PereV, and Hiplop I always have trouble reading.

Extrapolated Eagle, Randomidget, Spider Gwen I don't know, they'll be harder to figure out.

^Everyone in null "hey guys I posted a readlist so get off my back pls"....

I can drop a vote on Jeanne in a New York minute, but it's very hard for me to vote for Titus on Day1. Don't worry, I'll get around to it.

do you have any other reads?

Yeah, but first:

I was waiting for a game to be not ongoing. The Day lasted exactly 11 posts, shortest Day I've ever seen here at MS, and Titus was lynched. Not her fault really, she replaced into a Scum slot. But anyway, I just felt heartless throwing a vote on her. The hydra's posts since my FoS, however, haven't done jack to make them look Towny.

So,

VOTE: Passionate Storm

Other reads:

I'm bugged by Grapes' thing. Is he buddying me? Maybe, but I think he's setting up mislynches, as in, "Oh look, those guys all called poor Klingon Scum but she flipped Town -

they

must be Scum!!"

Even though she's wrong about me, I think Auntie J's sweet.

Mo' better reads will come as this Day progresses.

So grapes is a scum-lean and Titus is scum. Can you give any evidence for either of these, cause you haven't. For someone who doesn't like defending themselves you sure did it a lot today. You haven't even tried to scumhunt, nor have you posted any reads. You are misrepping what happened earlier this game and making generalizations. I might even lynch you through a claim you are that scummy.

[itlepip]

Itlepip if your problem is no reads, get on inte or peregrine or Shiro or Elyse or almost any of the lurkers here. Not posting reads three days into day one isn't a good reason to scum read someone

@Titus not interested in debating Elyse's alignment? That's something I'm very certain that once you got into you would stay interested in as town. Want to explain this part to me? Just want to focus Klingon, or?

The difference is that they haven't made posts like 'fast wagons are made by scum' that are complete BS.

[itlepip]

All of that assumes Kling is town which you still haven't made a real argument for.

[itlepip]

Spoiler: all my bella posts (which there are a lot of)

KLING FOR THE THIRD TIME, READS! I'm about the change votes again if you keep ignoring me and I already hit my quota today.

Pedit: yeah I'll unvote when you get reads then

VOTE: Celt

Pedit 2: have none of those reads changed in all of the pages since you made them?

I am feeling pretty cold about the Eagle wagon, he actually feels like the easy mislynch today for me. His posts have a noob quality to them, but I think at least for right now it is more noob town. I think that he thinks that the gambit was much more risky than it actually was, and so it was towny cause of that. Elyse's last post reads soo scummy to me... If you think he is scum you should go balls to the wall automatically, not just if other people are okay with that lynch. Klingon needs to really start defending herself before I unvote though.

I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

A wagon building fast so early in the game is built by Scum. Simple as that.

When did this become a thing? Cause I don't see what scum gains from it.

whos the scum on your wagon, kling?

Passionate Storm and itlepip for sure,

maybe you, AJ, &/or Elyse (Elyse is not looking like solid town right now.)

Aneninen, I never could read him, so maybe. The Cotilde thing is creepy btw.

So everyone on your wagon....

The difference is that Eagle is clearly town and Klingon isn't. Eagle is posting stuff, some of it is wrong, but as someone who does this the brain throw up on the thread is easy to read. Eagle is actually pretty high on my town list right now. Kling on the other hand still hasn't done anything that I know of that I can town read, but a lot that I can scum read. I feel like Eagle's read on Klingon is sympathy instead of analysis. I personally have no problem picking on people new to the site if I am trying to get a certain reaction, but with Eagle I have already gotten that reaction so there is no need.

Pedit: Okay, Elyse can go over your opinions on the controversial figures (grape, Kling, EE, Titus). The problem with kling is that she still hasn't responded to our accusations 300 posts ago. I originally voted to get a response, and when she talked about tangential stuff instead of about our questions my vote became a real read.

Pedit 2:um 273, all 3 of us agreed that your arguments were incorrect there.

No, but if Kling can't make an argument that isn't meta and the consensus of people who know the meta is that the meta makes kling scum, I think kling is scum.

Pedit: Explain how it isn't fishing instead of attack Varsoon please.

Lol wut, what reads????

I'm doing my usual as Town, whether you like it or not. Reads come as I get them.

So your only reads are AJ town and us scum? Really? Nothing on grapes Alch ee? Spiffeh? Elyse?

I posted a read on Grapes.

I want to re-read Elyse and Spiffeh.
Alchemist, Anen, PereV, and Hiplop I always have trouble reading.

Extrapolated Eagle, Randomidget, Spider Gwen I don't know, they'll be harder to figure out.

^Everyone in null "hey guys I posted a readlist so get off my back pls"....

I can drop a vote on Jeanne in a New York minute, but it's very hard for me to vote for Titus on Day1. Don't worry, I'll get around to it.

do you have any other reads?

Yeah, but first:

I was waiting for a game to be not ongoing. The Day lasted exactly 11 posts, shortest Day I've ever seen here at MS, and Titus was lynched. Not her fault really, she replaced into a Scum slot. But anyway, I just felt heartless throwing a vote on her. The hydra's posts since my FoS, however, haven't done jack to make them look Towny.

So,

VOTE: Passionate Storm

Other reads:

I'm bugged by Grapes' thing. Is he buddying me? Maybe, but I think he's setting up mislynches, as in, "Oh look, those guys all called poor Klingon Scum but she flipped Town -

they

must be Scum!!"

Even though she's wrong about me, I think Auntie J's sweet.

Mo' better reads will come as this Day progresses.

So grapes is a scum-lean and Titus is scum. Can you give any evidence for either of these, cause you haven't. For someone who doesn't like defending themselves you sure did it a lot today. You haven't even tried to scumhunt, nor have you posted any reads. You are misrepping what happened earlier this game and making generalizations. I might even lynch you through a claim you are that scummy.

[itlepip]

@itlepip

, your 928 wall is a bunch of quotes. The first one was a phony "third time" demand for my reads, when I hadn't yet had the time to respond to your first demand.

The rest is a bunch of tl;dr.

You do not have a case on me. Admit it.

I am not trying to convince you that you are scum, your opinion is meaningless here. I have made points about certain posts you have made that you are refusing to acknowledge, but you have never even attempted to defend yourself this game with anything other than meta, so I've given up on you not being scummy.

[itlepip]

Passionate Storm - seems as obnoxious as usual. null-town
Garmr - hasn't particularly pinged for me, will re-read
I Am Innocent - didn't notice they were in the game
inte - same as above
PeregrineV - had a null-town earlier but can't remember why
Dapper Stranger - town, I'm liking their logic and their scumreads. Town [

their scum read is that if you assume spifflop is scum elyse and kling are town, so therefore spiff is scum

Klingoncelt - I like the fact that they are sticking to their guns and aren't trying to convince people to townread them, they are trying to do their job. Town

Give me 1 single post where klingon actually does something to move town forward. She hasn't pushed anyone at all this game, nor has she defended herself. How is not defending yourself town if you aren't going to scumhunt? The whole point of voting is because the reactions people give when pressured can be used to form reads.

Spider Gwen - ignored me then made a bad vote on passionate storm. Scum

If ignoring a post was alignment indicative in this game everyone would be scum.

Aunt Jemina - seems very focussed on giving reads rather than actually trying to sort out what is going on. null-scum

So like this readlist? AJ has made some good points so I disagree.

TheWayItEnds - barely registered they were in the game.
T S O - like what I've seen, town
Shiro - hasn't pinged, will reread
My Other Head Is Scum - I can't read fire, if vedith becomes more active will be able to give something on them.
Alchemist21 - I like alch and want them to be town. town

I'd say this is shit but it seems the most genuine comment in this whole readlist.

Extrapolated Eagle - EE's posts have been mixed for me, bit I'm scumreading his pushers and there fore null-town

Holy shit the person who has posted the most is being read by your opinion of his pushers?

itlepip - when I said I was scumreading them earlier I meant spifflop. My bad. They haven't really registered so I'll put them at null
Aneninen - a mysterious man full of mysterious mystery. Null
Errantparabola - I disliked his early pushes on EE, but since then has been decent. Null

why is pushing someone scummy if that person is being null read?

Elyse - dislike fence sitty blehness. Scum

This one I agree with

grapes - hasn't pinged that much but seems to have posted a decent amount. Null-scum
Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Dapper's reasoning was that if you assume spifflop is scum, he is scum... Just because you can invent a world where someone is scum doesn't make it scum. I could probably come up with a case against anyone in this game, but Spifflop has made some of the best posts this game so far

Varsoon - a mysterious man full of mysterious mystery. Null

Overall " seems very focussed on giving reads rather than actually trying to sort out what is going on. null-scum" perfectly describes your play so far. You have waaay to many scumreads in this list to the point of fencesitting. Spifflop wagon is horrible and you need to get off of it, and you are putting too much trust in that one dapper post.

[itlepip]

Itlepip and Passionate Storm can both go in my scumpile for this. They both take issue with rm "wanting to vote everyone" (which isn't true at all if you look at his post) despite him having an appropriate number of scumreads, but neither haven't seemed to take issue with the fact that I only had 1 scumread. If they're arguing that Klingon isn't making any pushes, you'd think they would have something to say about me too. I'm thinking they just want to push a Klingon lynch because they think they can get away with it while allowing apathetic Townies to get by because they're happy with having apathetic Townies around. I think there's also been a notable lack of attention towards Shiro, Other Head, and Varsoon for all this, so I think this might be the case (and may imply Varsoon is actually Town as well).

VOTE: Passionate Storm

Voting here before Itle because at least Itle made a fair point regarding randomidget's leaning on Dapper's posts.

When you can't read almost 2/3 of the players in the game yeah you shouldn't have 5-6 scum reads. I would claim that I'm new to large games here, but I'm still pretty sure that random has too many scumreads.

[itlepip]

I haven't read anything but I see spifflop votes and when I come back tonight those shitty votes better get off Spiff and on Kling. Spiff is the towniest town that ever towned.

Too good to pass up.

Vote: Spifflop

Why would you vote for spifflop instead of Elyse here?

[itlepip]

Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

That is Spiffeh's style of posting, I will say that you (obviously) picked the weakest posts and the ones that didn't contain explanations. I would expect town honestly to have made posts that aren't fully explained at this point

From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

A man is giving but a few examples. Two of these reads- the ones on Elyse and Klingon- a man is finding of utmost importance. He sees no reason in making a long post longer. This last quote is also the meat of his argument against Spiff. That one is making a snap read on someotne solely because they aren't falling in line with everyone else with Stupid Voting Sequence. A man is opening with a question at large when he is making the start of a game (which isn't happening this time) and knows, just so, this isn't telling anything of one's alignment. Neither is Klingon's venture from the common path.

Once he is seeing some agreement amongst others he is sticking with that one as his intended target because he is knowing it to have traction. From there, he is with AN AGENDA of finding the "scum" in Klingon, twisting some things she is saying in an effort to keep interest. Keep in mind, his initial "scum read" is still coming from the flakiness of reasons (capitalizing on the human condition of being resistant to change or anything different, kinda like how at work or school most people are put off by having to learn a "new way of doing things") as the basis for his read. With a preconceived notion, a man is noting it is easy to find evidence to support an opinion. A man is doing this much and more, and getting away with even more than he should have been able to, as scum in his last game.

This alone isn't causing a man's scum read on Spit.

That's where post like this exchange are coming in

The problem with this is that I still am really certain that Klingon is scum, and all of this falls apart if Klingon is scum. Present me a good case for Klingon being town (ie posts that actually help town) and not the usual "oh stop picking on Klingon" defense.

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun :)

elyse I haven't been clear I still think you're town. Titus mentioned the fight you were involved in so I went back

you went from "pretty damn town" -> "probably town"

pedit: yes, that too ;)

At the time of the first post Elyse was feeling a bit of hate and this one is abruptly calling the Garmr/Elyse match TvS with Garmr looking very town and Elyse not so much. When all is being quickly explained and it is obvious opinion is swinging against Elyse, Spiff is going back to 'nah girl! You're town just not uber town' as an out on what's evidence of his first slip. A man is naming it such because it is showing his eagerness to lynch

someone

. That kind of excitement a man isn't seeing from early D1 town because they aren't having the knowledge needed to form an opinion truly one way or the other.

But, for the while Klingon is getting a bit of a reprieve from as much suspicion this one is making himself to be fully into his cups with how he wanting squished Grapes:

This point doesn't make any sense, saying that someone is town doesn't mean they are looking for lynches... It might just be you style blowing but I don't think the logic is sound here.

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

on that note, wanna go for grapes spidey?

That one is also doing a fair amount of schmoozing. First with Aunt Jemina (whose ego everyone know she is liking stroked) with his over the top "my friendly maple syrup mama" town assignment to his "girl power" post and then acting as if he's captivated by the secret alt which is Spider Gwen (who cares, not relevant to the game). This schmoozing is giving this one a free pass as he is saying those things he thinks people want to hear. Instead of ardently figuring out who is or isn't scum.

And then, finally, a man is presenting this

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

Umm, no. Nothing to town is a slam dunk 426 posts into a large theme game. A man is knowing this to be just so, just as he is knowing both Spiffheads are feeling the same way as town with the hesitance D1 in recently finished games with the both which neither are exercising here. The only way Klingon is a slam dunk for scum at this point is if scum are feeling pretty sure they are causing the mislynch of a strong player the first day which is high on their priority for night kills.

Have you played with Spiffeh before? He called me 100% scum in a game for making a joke post and then saying that scumreading me because of a joke post was dumb, and he was town that game (so was I). He usually isn't reserved in his reads, so this point is pretty weak.

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With all this in mind, Anen, a man's perspective on both Celt and Elyse is coming not from their posts, but rather Spifflop. That one's stance on Elyse is town quickly to Elyse is scum when that is briefly popular and then quickly back to Elyse is town again is showing she can't be scum with Spifflop because she's easily being discarded with little provocation.

Likewise Spifflop's play which is causing a man's scum read is making it impossible to consider Klingon may be scum as scum aren't throwing away a scummate because they FoS'd in RVS.

His interactions with Gwen are giving a man pause there as well as he isn't putting together how those are scum together. A man also hasn't put much effort into that as yet but is seeing if such ties exist later on. For now

VOTE: Spifflop

Reading 3 people based on this level 4-5 read is dumb. This is why I am considering you as scum, the Spifflop case is contrived but I can see town believing it, but you shouldn't take the 2 otherwise most scummy people in the game and give them a pass because of that read.

Since the Lady of Syrup is a bit soured on a man, then she should be seeing she can at least weigh a man's thoughts evenly given the nature of her reads as compared to reality of a man's alignment...if not then with a bit of humor look at this abstract:

Given: a man is town, thus his actions are flowing accordingly


SCENARIO

Elly is facing the flame and is sweating most profusely.

Spitflop, like everyone else, is knowing this is just so.

Spitflop is taking the opportunity to derail any attention from Elly onto Celty.


HYPOTHESIS

This is pinging opportunistic in a man's mind.

If Lord Spit's scum, he's hoping Elly will swallow and they are becoming the best of buddies even though if this as well is just so, Celty is likely mislynch material. If a man is building a sufficiently clear case of early game scummotivation, then a Spifflop lynch today is superior to either lady because if Spit flipping scum reasonably town clears both.

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If you are following that LOGIC (disregarding your personal reads, just the logic), would you agree proving Spitflop scum is clearing Celty in whole and soft clearing Elly at the same time? If so and if a man is just so in his evaluation will a lady work with a man for a day?

All you have done in my mind is create a good case for scum spif being with town kling and elyse. Your read on spifflop can't be based on that relationship unless you prove that both of them are town, which you haven't done. If you really believe your theory then kill Kling and if she flips town we can start looking at the spiff wagon the next day, but there is no way we should lynch spifflop today.

[itlepip]

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

Change

Town: spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, EP
Weak Town: TSO
Gun to head scum: AJ, Eagle
Scum: Klingon, grapes, spider, Anen, Klingon

This, yeah this was bad. The difference is that storm has pushed people while Random's only real contribution was his readlist. He made a big deal about his readlist while this was just another random post to be ignored.

[itlepip]

Most of these posts I read as towny, especially given what I know of how Hip and Spiffeh play.

Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

I don't like this explanation either. I don't get how the first sentence is even a bad thing. And it's a huge jump to base a meta argument off of what looks to me like RVS trolling. Especially when it's as basic as "X didn't do this in a previous town game therefore scum".

Alchemist, grapes, and Klingon would all be good wagons.

~Spiffy

And I haven't done anything to warrant a scumread.

Someone is self conscious about being scum read.

What are your thoughts on the grapes wagon?

~Spiffy

EP I play p. differently every town game so I urge you to meta me beyond History if you're going to meta me at all. Also hiplop felt strongly about grapes and I let him take the wheel but now I kinda want to switch to Klingon.

I really hate the Eagle wagon. He seems like lynchbait 101 to me.

Klingon is a shoe in for scum. She tried to discredit my vote on her by lying about my ability to read her and has since ignored me calling her out on it. Hiplop can we switch to Klingon?

~Spiffy

I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

A wagon building fast so early in the game is built by Scum. Simple as that.

When did this become a thing? Cause I don't see what scum gains from it.

its not, shes trying to discredit the wagon

@spider, interested in why you think tituscum?

You're just trying to find anything to paint her in a scummy light at this point. So you're saying that it's scummy of her to respond to your case?

PEdit: How can she get in the way?
You can still make posts. My point still stands.

~Spiffy

[itlepip]

5/101 posts

Well there is a lot of Spiffeh filler.

Also the count is 0/75 for klingon right now.

[itlepip]

FoS: Passionate Storm

:igmeou: I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

We've been over this, but there is a potential scum motivation

I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

A wagon building fast so early in the game is built by Scum. Simple as that.

Trying immediately to discredit her wagon. She isn't trying to find scum but not get lynched

I think Anen has the alignment-changing ability the mod said was possible for this game.

No. I don't believe it.
You're gravely mistaken.

Varsoon, I want some of your thoughts on the game.

Why don't you take a look around? There's nothing I can do about it right now.
Soon I'll be dead, and you with me.

What a weird post.

Are you posting in character/flavor, or do you have a tragic role?

Role fishing

FoS: Passionate Storm

:igmeou: I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

Are you scum again?

Didn't you read the thread?

When I'm Scum nobody notices me on Day 1. When I'm Town everyone starts screaming for my head as soon as I make my first post on Day1.

I'm not talking about this individual post but the fact that Kling's entire ISO is this stuff, not questioning motives or trying to find scum but saying that she is town. None of it is an actual argument just her saying that she is town.

@itlepip

, your 928 wall is a bunch of quotes. The first one was a phony "third time" demand for my reads, when I hadn't yet had the time to respond to your first demand.

The rest is a bunch of tl;dr.

You do not have a case on me. Admit it.

I am not trying to convince you that you are scum, your opinion is meaningless here. I have made points about certain posts you have made that you are refusing to acknowledge, but you have never even attempted to defend yourself this game with anything other than meta, so I've given up on you not being scummy.

*smh*

That's lame.

As Town there's no way to defend myself other than by meta and by saying that I'm not Scum.

EE has done this in my opinion, he was accused of being scum and his reaction to that accusation was towny enough for me to change my read. I've only played 1 game with kling as scum:kling and the play is similar but I haven't seen townKling so I can't judge. Kling should be pushing Titus and the rest of her scumreads instead of just naysaying posts

(Unless the Mod wants to pop in and confirm me as town, but I don't see that happening.)

ok i got up to page 15 before i said fuck it

whats the rundown and whos town?

^ ^ ^
This could be lynched for lurking.

Scumhunting at its finest.

Kling in general is more about saying to move her wagon and that she is town then demonstrating it.

[itlepip]

The argument that randomidget had too many scum reads is crap. And it's funny to note how hard the leaders of the Klingon wagon defend spifflop. To the point of making shitty posts like the one I quoted above.

Yes, the only case against Spiff assumes Kling is town, so of course we are not going to believe it. I

[itlepip]

The argument that randomidget had too many scum reads is crap. And it's funny to note how hard the leaders of the Klingon wagon defend spifflop. To the point of making shitty posts like the one I quoted above.

Yes, the only case against Spiff assumes Kling is town, so of course we are not going to believe it. I

No it doesn't
Read it again. It proves Klingon is town if he flips scum. But saying it assumes Klingon is town is like saying that me being scum assumes Elyse is town

The whole argument is that Spiffeh is trying to pocket Elyse by moving the wagon to Klingon. Unless you are trying to say that scum would rather bus a partner (who is being townread by everyone on the spiffeh wagon) in order to potentially pocket a town member the whole case is shod if Klingon is town. Because I am certain that Klingong is scum and independently I have been reading Spifflop as town this wagon is a huge no go for me.

[itlepip]

The argument that randomidget had too many scum reads is crap. And it's funny to note how hard the leaders of the Klingon wagon defend spifflop. To the point of making shitty posts like the one I quoted above.

Yes, the only case against Spiff assumes Kling is town, so of course we are not going to believe it. I

No it doesn't
Read it again. It proves Klingon is town if he flips scum. But saying it assumes Klingon is town is like saying that me being scum assumes Elyse is town

The whole argument is that Spiffeh is trying to pocket Elyse by moving the wagon to Klingon. Unless you are trying to say that scum would rather bus a partner (who is being townread by everyone on the spiffeh wagon) in order to potentially pocket a town member the whole case is shod if Klingon is town. Because I am certain that Klingong is scum and independently I have been reading Spifflop as town this wagon is a huge no go for me.

No- the while argument shows an agenda perpetrated by Spifflop to lynch a player who gets better as the game goes on. That's not a town mindset. I'm only assuming those ladies town when Spiff is flipping scum. Stop effing putting words in my mouth.

That is the most convenient meta I've ever seen. Give me what point in the game Klingon need to start actually helping town before we lynch her, cause that excuse can just save a scum until the endgame where every lynch becomes much more important. I will not lynch Spifflop today, the only world where he is scum is one where him and Titus decided to pocket me, but I'm not that paranoid yet. I'd say we compromise on an Elyse wagon but apparently you think she is town too so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I would say you are just scum here but a lot of my townreads are sheeping you so I might rethink this. I still refuse to lynch Spifflop today, and will support a Kling lynch.

[itlepip]

With how often that one is mislynched D1 (rivaled only by Titus's own ability to be mislynches D1), a man would find that to be a rather inconvenient meta if he were Celt.

That's the thing, Titus has the same ramp as celt, but if I thought Titus made the posts that celt has made this game I would advocate for a lynch.

[itlepip]

It's part of it. All defense attorneys are having to face such obstacles.

I feel like RL stuff should be off limits in terms of analysis just for the fun of the game.

[itlepip]

It's part of it. All defense attorneys are having to face such obstacles.

I feel like RL stuff should be off limits in terms of analysis just for the fun of the game.

When it's a relevant skill one possesses it isn't mattering where the skill is originating. That it's not being used is suspect as hell. It's relevant here and will be used.

Meta is fine, but ultimately this site is for fun, and dragging RL stuff to read people is dumb. The only thing I think will come of it is one of those long personal arguments that ends in a replace out. Games are in the end escapism to a certain extent, so dragging RL stuff just ruins the game.

Pedit: yeah that reaction is why you don't bring in RL stuff.

[itlepip]

It's part of it. All defense attorneys are having to face such obstacles.

I feel like RL stuff should be off limits in terms of analysis just for the fun of the game.

When it's a relevant skill one possesses it isn't mattering where the skill is originating. That it's not being used is suspect as hell. It's relevant here and will be used.

Meta is fine, but ultimately this site is for fun, and dragging RL stuff to read people is dumb. The only thing I think will come of it is one of those long personal arguments that ends in a replace out. Games are in the end escapism to a certain extent, so dragging RL stuff just ruins the game.

Pedit: yeah that reaction is why you don't bring in RL stuff.

Dismissing the skills one possesses is dumb. Hilighting when those skills aren't being used is far from dumb.

There are 2 arguments here 1 is about whether or not RL stuff can optimize play, and the other (more important 1) is if it ruins the game. If it ruins the game, no matter how useful it might be, drop it. I don't think it actually is a good read anyway, but the fact is that the reaction you are going to get from most people is defensive and upset. The only thing this does for me is make me for reluctant to talk about personal stuff here if it is going to be used against me later by people like you. In the end it is only 1 game and whatever small read you have doesn't matter, so don't start this stuff.

[itlepip]

And it isn't changing the fact that Spirflop is spearheading this witch hunt on Celt. Based solely on a random FoS (which is ironically a reach out to Titus as they are sharing similar fates historically) and then reaching to find evidence to specifically support the original notion. Which makes it fruit of the poisonous tree. Evidence leads to conclusion, not the other way around. Which is brought us back to this one's job. A lady, for a living, must realize when the authority is approaching a case from an angle such as this in order to get her clients off and she really SHOULD be seeing it here.

It's not quite the way you see it, I think.

It looks to me like some players are trying their damnedest to suck up to Jemima.

I'm still waiting for her answer, I hope I see it as I'm catching up..

Kling. aren't you still OMGUSing me? How have I sucked to AJ

[itlepip]

Kling. aren't you still OMGUSing me? How have I sucked to AJ

You're wishing it were OMGUS.

Sheeping Jemima hard. Jemima popped a vote on me because of my FoS. The FoS was explained and then changed to a real vote after a certain game ended. (Not Titus' fault at all, but the last Day in that game lasted only 11 posts, ending with her lynch.) All this was explained, yet everyone still reacts to the FoS while AJ maintains silence on the matter. Some people seem terrified of getting on her sour side.

In your case, the sheeping is just one of your tells. The far worse tell is your condescending attitude towards Town, basically telling us to work

for

you instead of you offering to work

with

us. Titus is doing the same thing, btw.

And Dapper isn't doing that?

[itlepip]

Ok, a man is checking and while Spiffeh isn't kart out ignoring a man's case he is ignoring it fir around 14 hours before actually responding to it and is posting plenty in the interim. This is looking like he is waiting for help before responding. If Spifflop is flipping scum then whoever wasn't on during that time frame before his response and shows up at about the same time he us actually getting around to responding is needing scrutiny.

You are really pushing it here. The way that I and most people answer to the many posts is in order of posting. Also good luck arguing that you can tell that it is mafia chat over hydra chat.

[itlepip]

That most definitely was not a scumclaim.

Alright now that we have all recognized that TSo is able to see when a post expresses slight exaggeration, May we now move on with our lives?

It's a scumread that multiple people have expressed interest in, but that no-one has pursued. That's usually a good sign that the player in question is scum.

As is that a wagon realizes a lot of resistance.

Funny thing here, no one brought this up after there was some discussion of Elyse being scum and yet I was the only to vote her. Or that the spiff wagon experiences quite a bit out outright resentment towards it where as the kling wagon simply has people who aren't quite sure they want to vote for her.


Hmmm. I wonder why you have not realized these things.

A point isn't invalid if it wasn't used in all cases of it being true. TSO has yet to catch up with the game (I don't blame him given how fast we post), and so yeah he might miss examples of this play. Furthermore Spifflop wagon is entirely different, you can't compare a universal scumread to a controversial scum read, the comparison doesn't make any sense and is just another way for you to shoehorn in your wagon.

[itlepip]

Ooh I might want in on this.

[itlepip]

Kling has not scumhunted whatsoever and shows no scumhunting initiative. That goes beyond having a shitty day 1.

You're lying.

Do you think no one can check my ISO?

Give me 1 single post where klingon actually does something to move town forward. She hasn't pushed anyone at all this game, nor has she defended herself. How is not defending yourself town if you aren't going to scumhunt? The whole point of voting is because the reactions people give when pressured can be used to form reads.

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepipVOTE:

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

What the fuck is this vote? Yes you have been defending yourself - I'll give you that - but even you agree that you haven't been scumhunting!

No, I have in fact been scumhunting. I posted a reads list, didn't I? Can't do that without checking out every player.

itlepip isn't on the table today. What are your thoughts on the spiff case? Besides that he's null. You must have some opinion on it. Is Jaqen full of shit or does the case have merit? I don't give a fuck about the question you asked AJ ten pages ago. You're using that to avoid scumhunting.

Whaaaat??

When did you become the Mod-Confirmed Special Snowflake?

Someone states an opinion-> Klingon dismisses it with an insult and doesn't actually either refute it or show a scum intent behind it. When we talk about attacking to discredit arguments this sort of post fits that exactly

If I want to vote your teammate Pip, then I'll do it. It's not up to you to decide who gets votes.

Weren't you complaining that people were not trying to work with town but to force town to do what they want, well at least they actually posted analysis, you are just saying 'you're scum you're scum you're scum you're scum like a toddler here

I'm taking a step back from the Spliff, having dealt with the Grim Reaper all summer. I'm just not able to go there right this minute.

Again no actual content

Jaqen is not full of shit. However, Dapper & I are looking from 2 different angles.

Again no actual content, what are those angles...

You had better start giving a fuck about Aunt Jemima's behavior. I checked, there's nothing anywhere on the site that says FoS voting is scummy. So why did she use that as an excuse to vote for me? Why did she not say anything when I gave my explanation for the FoS, then changed it to a real vote when that other game ended?

Cause in the game of mafia, early in the game you need to build up pressure to get reads. I agree that voting someone cause of a FoS is weak, but when that person reacts the way you do they are scum

And why did some players sheep her instead of calling her out?

Cause you were super scummy when you responded, no one is voting you right now because of the FoS, they are voting you because your posts stink

Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Another guy that is shoehorning Jaqen's case and using it as an opportunity to ignore Klingon's scumminess and remove her greatest adversary.

This is scum with Klingon.

You need to realize that you missed your guess this time. I am not Scum.

Again no actual content

Also didn't you not think that Spifflop was scum earlier, can you explain why you switched? The only reason I can think of is that it is too obvious to vote all of your wagon

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepip

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

HOW DO PEOPLE THINK THIS IS TOWN.
SHE GIVES ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR THIS VOTE HOLY SHIT.

~Spiffy

Yes I did:

The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead,

Town is expected to work for you

Again no actual content

Spiff-you didn't explain your vote on itlepip Klingon-OMG YOU ARE NOT WORKING WITH TOWN.

Kling's reads are horrible, based on seemingly no substance or anything, ...

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your reads.

Again no actual content

Oooh kill em... Could you actually talk about his reads then instead of just naysaying everything. You still have no content in your ISO.

last post tonight

... kling ... Her completely fabricated reads, the ... meta on her by titus, her dodging of questions, her complete inability to scumread someone who wasn't for her strategic benefit.

My reads are not fabricated. I ISO'd everyone and gave a very honest read. Titus is either lying or she's lying, my meta is not what she says it is. I scumread the scummy, simple as that.

THEN EXPLAIN YOUR SCUMREADS!!!! THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE SAID THIS GAME FOR DEFENSE IS "YOU ARE LYING" OR "MY META IS DIFFERENT". NONE OF THOSE ACTUALLY MOVE TOWN FORWARDS

You, Titus, and some others are trying way too hard to make a case that isn't there.

It's like watching republicans calling Muhammad Ali a radical Islamic.

fuck you. First off if you think we are scum then this would be good play for us, so you would be insulting us for playing the game properly. The fact that you don't assume this is a 100% scum slip. You know that we are town so you are pissed at the way we play, if you thought we actually were scum this sentence doesn't make any sense.

...Klingon is incapable of lurking away pressure as either alignment. As scum, you get active lurking shit. As town, she gets pissed off her reads are not taken seriously while acknowledging D1 is not her best play. Here's she's just bitching about being wagoned and tried to active lurk.

I'm not active lurking.

I'm not bitching.

You're drunk and lying.

You're also very mistaken with my experience, Titus. You obviously forgot where I came from. Remember that site? I live in the basement there - where there are real Scum - the guy that tried to shoot up that theater in Georgia was a member there. Stormfront members. All kinds of pervs. Trailer trash, tin hatters, religious nuts, addicts ... those are real people, not characters in a game.

This is pertinent how? Like how the hell does this mean that you are town

You didn't teach me as much as you think.

@Klingon explain your rvs FoS one more time for me. I already read your first explanation, I know but I'm a curious man and a bit forgetful. It shouldn't take long, could you just explain it really quick?

There was another game going on at the time. She replaced into a slot that was universally read as Scum, when the next day finally started it only lasted 11 posts before she was lynched.

Even though that slot was guilty as all hell, I felt pretty sad about lynching her there and dropping a vote on her here at the same time. After the mod ended the game Titus told us that she was told by the mod that she was without question going to be lynched. Until then I didn't know if she was aware of the situation there.

Since she was, and was okay with it, I felt better about changing my FoS to a real vote.

I can't believe that sympathy is seen as scummy here. :roll:

I AM NOT SCUMREADING YOU BECAUSE OF THE FOS, I AM SCUM READING YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM AND HAVEN"T HELPED TOWN

@Elyse, ok thanks. Sorry something clicked in my head and I wanted to try to figure out which thing it was.

@Klingon I know you're trying to work in order but I'd like to say that you aren't helping town by simply defending yourself every night. I get more and more suspicious every time you fail to hunt down scum reads or become aggressive. You don't have time to respond to every accusation against you and it's a silly thing to do anyway. So pick a target and head in that direction. Any target. As long as you can convince me you've got good reason for it (not "they're voting for me") or that it is something that is helpful to town I will remain cautious about placing my vote on you.

Yeah, arguing with the Scums is getting to be a pain in the ass. I think I'll spend my Sunday & maybe Monday sorting through the Null pile.

Can't Read:

Alchemist21
Aneninen
Garmr

Town:

Errantparabola
Extrapolated Eagle
Shiro
Spider Gwen
Varsoon

Lean Town:

Dapper Stranger(Fresh & Jaqen hydra)
I Am Innocent
My Other Head Is Scum(Vedith & FireBringer hydra)
TSO

Null:

Grapes
Randomidget
Spifflop(Spiffeh & Hiplop hydra)
TheWayItEnds

Lean Scum:

Aunt Jemina

Scum:

Elyse
Inte
Itlepip
Passionate Storm(Jeanne11 & Titus hydra)
PeregrineV

^doesn't count as scumhunting

Oh and your wagon analysis is off. See Legends of the Hidden Temple.

I expect a townie to have voted for Spiffeh at some point, thus convincing scum the wagon has a chance.

If a scum is wagoned early, scum have two options. Bus or find a counter. I think we both can agree bus is not likely an option. So Klingon is thrown out as a counter suggestion.

Umm...bullshit?

This one is now taking advantage of a player's inexperience to manipulate him to her way of thinking. Scum, particularly Titus and TSO when they are scum, will ardently defend their scum mates early in a game because they are able to make it wifom when someone is calling them out for said defense because there will be plenty townies on early mislynched who are thinking the lynched was scum at the time. Titus is probably scum here. A man was trying to not have to sort this one prior to D2 because of that one's D1 track record but a man isn't sitting idly by while she is poisoning the minds of all she can.

This is better rhetoric than Klingon, but it still doesn't have any point. Yes if you assume Titus is scum and Spifflop is scum then you can prove scum intent. But the same thing applies to you and Klingon. You don't prove that your world is more realistic than the you-klingong world, so this post doesn't do anything. The thing is that there are two big factions in the game, and both sides think that the other side is 100% scum self-defending. If Klingon flips town you guys should lynch me, Titus and Spiff, but when she flips scum we should be able to lynch you and random as a result. Basically we are 3v3ing right now.

[itlepip]

Kling has not scumhunted whatsoever and shows no scumhunting initiative. That goes beyond having a shitty day 1.

You're lying.

Do you think no one can check my ISO?

I checked your iso, remember the 0/n post? You have never scumhunt this game

Give me 1 single post where klingon actually does something to move town forward. She hasn't pushed anyone at all this game, nor has she defended herself. How is not defending yourself town if you aren't going to scumhunt? The whole point of voting is because the reactions people give when pressured can be used to form reads.

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepipVOTE:

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

What the fuck is this vote? Yes you have been defending yourself - I'll give you that - but even you agree that you haven't been scumhunting!

No, I have in fact been scumhunting. I posted a reads list, didn't I? Can't do that without checking out every player.

A readlist does not scumhunting make. Anyone can make a readslist all you do is put the people scumreading you at the bottom and townreading you at the top and then mix them around a little to make it less suspicious.

itlepip isn't on the table today. What are your thoughts on the spiff case? Besides that he's null. You must have some opinion on it. Is Jaqen full of shit or does the case have merit? I don't give a fuck about the question you asked AJ ten pages ago. You're using that to avoid scumhunting.

Whaaaat??

When did you become the Mod-Confirmed Special Snowflake?

Someone states an opinion-> Klingon dismisses it with an insult and doesn't actually either refute it or show a scum intent behind it. When we talk about attacking to discredit arguments this sort of post fits that exactly

If I want to vote your teammate Pip, then I'll do it. It's not up to you to decide who gets votes.

Weren't you complaining that people were not trying to work with town but to force town to do what they want, well at least they actually posted analysis, you are just saying 'you're scum you're scum you're scum you're scum like a toddler here

I'm taking a step back from the Spliff, having dealt with the Grim Reaper all summer. I'm just not able to go there right this minute.

Again no actual content

Jaqen is not full of shit. However, Dapper & I are looking from 2 different angles.

Again no actual content, what are those angles...

You had better start giving a fuck about Aunt Jemima's behavior. I checked, there's nothing anywhere on the site that says FoS voting is scummy. So why did she use that as an excuse to vote for me? Why did she not say anything when I gave my explanation for the FoS, then changed it to a real vote when that other game ended?

Cause in the game of mafia, early in the game you need to build up pressure to get reads. I agree that voting someone cause of a FoS is weak, but when that person reacts the way you do they are scum

And why did some players sheep her instead of calling her out?

Cause you were super scummy when you responded, no one is voting you right now because of the FoS, they are voting you because your posts stink

Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Another guy that is shoehorning Jaqen's case and using it as an opportunity to ignore Klingon's scumminess and remove her greatest adversary.

This is scum with Klingon.

You need to realize that you missed your guess this time. I am not Scum.

Again no actual content

Also didn't you not think that Spifflop was scum earlier, can you explain why you switched? The only reason I can think of is that it is too obvious to vote all of your wagon

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepip

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

HOW DO PEOPLE THINK THIS IS TOWN.
SHE GIVES ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR THIS VOTE HOLY SHIT.

~Spiffy

Yes I did:

The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead,

Town is expected to work for you

Again no actual content

Spiff-you didn't explain your vote on itlepip Klingon-OMG YOU ARE NOT WORKING WITH TOWN.

Kling's reads are horrible, based on seemingly no substance or anything, ...

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your reads.

Again no actual content

Oooh kill em... Could you actually talk about his reads then instead of just naysaying everything. You still have no content in your ISO.

last post tonight

... kling ... Her completely fabricated reads, the ... meta on her by titus, her dodging of questions, her complete inability to scumread someone who wasn't for her strategic benefit.

My reads are not fabricated. I ISO'd everyone and gave a very honest read. Titus is either lying or she's lying, my meta is not what she says it is. I scumread the scummy, simple as that.

THEN EXPLAIN YOUR SCUMREADS!!!! THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE SAID THIS GAME FOR DEFENSE IS "YOU ARE LYING" OR "MY META IS DIFFERENT". NONE OF THOSE ACTUALLY MOVE TOWN FORWARDS

You, Titus, and some others are trying way too hard to make a case that isn't there.

It's like watching republicans calling Muhammad Ali a radical Islamic.

fuck you. First off if you think we are scum then this would be good play for us, so you would be insulting us for playing the game properly. The fact that you don't assume this is a 100% scum slip. You know that we are town so you are pissed at the way we play, if you thought we actually were scum this sentence doesn't make any sense.

...Klingon is incapable of lurking away pressure as either alignment. As scum, you get active lurking shit. As town, she gets pissed off her reads are not taken seriously while acknowledging D1 is not her best play. Here's she's just bitching about being wagoned and tried to active lurk.

I'm not active lurking.

I'm not bitching.

You're drunk and lying.

You're also very mistaken with my experience, Titus. You obviously forgot where I came from. Remember that site? I live in the basement there - where there are real Scum - the guy that tried to shoot up that theater in Georgia was a member there. Stormfront members. All kinds of pervs. Trailer trash, tin hatters, religious nuts, addicts ... those are real people, not characters in a game.

This is pertinent how? Like how the hell does this mean that you are town

You didn't teach me as much as you think.

@Klingon explain your rvs FoS one more time for me. I already read your first explanation, I know but I'm a curious man and a bit forgetful. It shouldn't take long, could you just explain it really quick?

There was another game going on at the time. She replaced into a slot that was universally read as Scum, when the next day finally started it only lasted 11 posts before she was lynched.

Even though that slot was guilty as all hell, I felt pretty sad about lynching her there and dropping a vote on her here at the same time. After the mod ended the game Titus told us that she was told by the mod that she was without question going to be lynched. Until then I didn't know if she was aware of the situation there.

Since she was, and was okay with it, I felt better about changing my FoS to a real vote.

I can't believe that sympathy is seen as scummy here. :roll:

I AM NOT SCUMREADING YOU BECAUSE OF THE FOS, I AM SCUM READING YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SCUM AND HAVEN"T HELPED TOWN

@Elyse, ok thanks. Sorry something clicked in my head and I wanted to try to figure out which thing it was.

@Klingon I know you're trying to work in order but I'd like to say that you aren't helping town by simply defending yourself every night. I get more and more suspicious every time you fail to hunt down scum reads or become aggressive. You don't have time to respond to every accusation against you and it's a silly thing to do anyway. So pick a target and head in that direction. Any target. As long as you can convince me you've got good reason for it (not "they're voting for me") or that it is something that is helpful to town I will remain cautious about placing my vote on you.

Yeah, arguing with the Scums is getting to be a pain in the ass. I think I'll spend my Sunday & maybe Monday sorting through the Null pile.

Can't Read:

Alchemist21
Aneninen
Garmr

Town:

Errantparabola
Extrapolated Eagle
Shiro
Spider Gwen
Varsoon

Lean Town:

Dapper Stranger(Fresh & Jaqen hydra)
I Am Innocent
My Other Head Is Scum(Vedith & FireBringer hydra)
TSO

Null:

Grapes
Randomidget
Spifflop(Spiffeh & Hiplop hydra)
TheWayItEnds

Lean Scum:

Aunt Jemina

Scum:

Elyse
Inte
Itlepip
Passionate Storm(Jeanne11 & Titus hydra)
PeregrineV

^doesn't count as scumhunting

Oh and your wagon analysis is off. See Legends of the Hidden Temple.

I expect a townie to have voted for Spiffeh at some point, thus convincing scum the wagon has a chance.

If a scum is wagoned early, scum have two options. Bus or find a counter. I think we both can agree bus is not likely an option. So Klingon is thrown out as a counter suggestion.

Umm...bullshit?

This one is now taking advantage of a player's inexperience to manipulate him to her way of thinking. Scum, particularly Titus and TSO when they are scum, will ardently defend their scum mates early in a game because they are able to make it wifom when someone is calling them out for said defense because there will be plenty townies on early mislynched who are thinking the lynched was scum at the time. Titus is probably scum here. A man was trying to not have to sort this one prior to D2 because of that one's D1 track record but a man isn't sitting idly by while she is poisoning the minds of all she can.

[/quote]This is better rhetoric than Klingon, but it still doesn't have any point. Yes if you assume Titus is scum and Spifflop is scum then you can prove scum intent. But the same thing applies to you and Klingon. You don't prove that your world is more realistic than the you-klingong world, so this post doesn't do anything. The thing is that there are two big factions in the game, and both sides think that the other side is 100% scum self-defending. If Klingon flips town you guys should lynch me, Titus and Spiff, but when she flips scum we should be able to lynch you and random as a result. Basically we are 3v3ing right now.

[itlepip]

Itlepip where are you getting by arguing? Reactions? I thought you were already certain she was scum? So where are you going with this? Are you legitimately trying to clog up the thread and cloud reads with emotions? I don't think arguing is very much a town move. In fact I think it's pretty anti town. But if youd like to explore other possibilities or make a second case against her, that would be cool. I just don't see what yelling is accomplishing, though.

My point (which I had hoped you would understand) was that in the page and a half of posts she made, she hadn't backed up any of her claims with any evidence outside of 'my meta isn't that, stop lying about my meta'. I explained at the end that it really is a 3v3 right now, and I'm trying to get unaffiliated town to side with my 3 by pointing out that how scummy Klingon is. You complained about how I was telling town that Klingon was scummy instead talking with town, so that is what I'm trying to do here. Also the racist post riled me up a little.

[itlepip]

Jason can you spoiler my first post please, I meant to hit preview and I think the post got sent by accident.

[itlepip]

How am I a lurker? How am I similar to Klingon wtf.

Your two teams don't make much sense to me.

[itlepip]

Do you mean these?

@itlepip
Pls read my last post

@EE
Jeanne is incompetent. Don't hold your breath. I also don't understand how I haven't been "getting dirty" - I've pushed Kling and was the first to call out randomidget. I've called Jaqen's case bullshit and dismantled your case before it got so full of misreps that no one was taking it seriously and I didn't bother trying. You literally make things up to fit your narrative.

@Jaqen
As someone who is "cleared" from a Spiff scumflip, how do you feel that I am against it?

I can't sleep :/

But a big YAS to everything Spiff is saying like holy shit it's frustrating how people are degrading the Klingon case to the FoS in RVS. Like have you SEEN any of her posts?

yes this point is correct. Is that all you want from me or...

[itlepip]

TSO I think the townbeard accusation was right, I am not sure where the scumread on EE came from.

[itlepip]

oops I forgot that post. TSO I would argue that EE really isn't aligned with Kling here. Again we are looking at 2 factions here, and given that gamestate bussing doesn't make any sense, especially for someone relatively new to the game. If they wanted to bus they would have done so earlier, not suddenly have 1 of them switch after my post. EE being new (please don't take offense here, I really like some of your recent play) means that of all the scum he has the easiest argument for noob stuck on townreading a scum and not being able to change his mentality. I really think his switch was a choice made my him and representative of his reads, which makes him town.

[itlepip]

In post 1451, Dapper Stranger wrote:

Umm...bullshit?

This one is now taking advantage of a player's inexperience to manipulate him to her way of thinking. Scum, particularly Titus and TSO when they are scum, will ardently defend their scum mates early in a game because they are able to make it wifom when someone is calling them out for said defense because there will be plenty townies on early mislynched who are thinking the lynched was scum at the time. Titus is probably scum here. A man was trying to not have to sort this one prior to D2 because of that one's D1 track record but a man isn't sitting idly by while she is poisoning the minds of all she can.

This is better rhetoric than Klingon, but it still doesn't have any point. Yes if you assume Titus is scum and Spifflop is scum then you can prove scum intent. But the same thing applies to you and Klingon. You don't prove that your world is more realistic than the you-klingong world, so this post doesn't do anything. The thing is that there are two big factions in the game, and both sides think that the other side is 100% scum self-defending. If Klingon flips town you guys should lynch me, Titus and Spiff, but when she flips scum we should be able to lynch you and random as a result. Basically we are 3v3ing right now.

This is where I first mentioned it (the long post of kling rebuttals). Basically we have two sides that think everyone on their side is town and everyone on the other side is scumish (me storm spiff and random kling and dapper ish). My point is that given this gamestate the way you changed your read on Klingon felt organic enough that I don't think that TSO's point was right about it being scummy. Your two scum teams were completely off though and I want you to explain that again.

[itlepip]

How can you ignore my offer of cookies Shiro?

I am resisting so stahp Dx

did Shiro just turn down cookies, what am I seeing!

[itlepip]

I'm heading to work now, but I would like to see a post explaining what two factions you were talking about earlier.

Also
UNVOTE:

I'm not entirely ready to leave this unattended to.

I did this already.

[itlepip]

@itlepip
No I'm referring to the posts where I addressed you about your scumread on me. I'm on my phone so I can't quote it but it's not far back in my ISO.

@Shiro
Remind me again why you don't want to vote Kling.

Eagle's hop was very dirty but doesn't affect my opinion of Kling. He's either town realizing he's wrong and doesn't know what to do or scum hesitant to bus. Either way Kling is still scum.

Because I think she is town. I have seen her twice as scum and two times as town.(that I freshly recall )

This doesn't look like her scum game to me at all. She is none existant when she is scum, even when people tried to engage her she didn't really respond back (like she did in pun mafia that titus was part of). I am seeing the same agressive defence I was seeing in Twilight mafia. Titus thinks it not the same but I do.

Shiro, you forgot me :(. In pun mafia we didn't nearly push Kling as hard as we did in this game, d1 ended up being me flubbing a bit, but there wasn't a serious wagon on Kling that I remember. Titus was the d1 lurker lynch suspect not Kling.

[itlepip]

@itlepip
1122 is what I'm talking about

Oh, yeah you are null right now. I think some of your early posts were randomesque, too many reads not enough explanation but I have liked some of your recent stuff. I am worried about buddying stuff so not quite a town read, but I won't support a lynch on you right now.

[itlepip]

Ccongrats elyse, you've reached a new level of scum laziness. "that's bullshit" all you could br bothered to say about my post.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: elyse
Also I'm not voting Klingon today.

best case for townElyse so far.

[itlepip]

How am I a lurker? How am I similar to Klingon wtf.

Your two teams don't make much sense to me.

That one said Klingon OR itlepip. OR. As in one but not the other. Words are important. Read them.

My point is that how could there be a scumteam where me and Klingon are interchangable. Furthermore how have I been a lurker? You don't agree with those scum team do you?

Pedit:wtf does that mean.

[itlepip]

Itlepip not everyone on team lurker is a lurker. I named it that because that's the mindset of the team

there are many criticisms of my play, but lurking is not one of them.

[itlepip]

Itlepip not everyone on team lurker is a lurker. I named it that because that's the mindset of the team

there are many criticisms of my play, but lurking is not one of them.

K. The majority of the players on that team are lurkers, hence the name. Not calling you a lurker

Answer the other part though, how am I interchangeable with Kling in terms of relationships?

[itlepip]

What, I never claimed multiball. I meant two groups of different alignment. I didn't even know that multiball was a possibility this game until I was accused on crumbing it.

[itlepip]

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Nothing much to say about these posts, so I'll treat myself to a haiku break

I am super pumped
Catch up time is best time, yo
Everyone ready?

best post this game, congratulations!

[itlepip]

In post 1451, Dapper Stranger wrote:

Umm...bullshit?

This one is now taking advantage of a player's inexperience to manipulate him to her way of thinking. Scum, particularly Titus and TSO when they are scum, will ardently defend their scum mates early in a game because they are able to make it wifom when someone is calling them out for said defense because there will be plenty townies on early mislynched who are thinking the lynched was scum at the time. Titus is probably scum here. A man was trying to not have to sort this one prior to D2 because of that one's D1 track record but a man isn't sitting idly by while she is poisoning the minds of all she can.

This is better rhetoric than Klingon, but it still doesn't have any point. Yes if you assume Titus is scum and Spifflop is scum then you can prove scum intent. But the same thing applies to you and Klingon. You don't prove that your world is more realistic than the you-klingong world, so this post doesn't do anything. The thing is that there are two big factions in the game, and both sides think that the other side is 100% scum self-defending. If Klingon flips town you guys should lynch me, Titus and Spiff, but when she flips scum we should be able to lynch you and random as a result. Basically we are 3v3ing right now.

This is where I first mentioned it (the long post of kling rebuttals). Basically we have two sides that think everyone on their side is town and everyone on the other side is scumish (me storm spiff and random kling and dapper ish). My point is that given this gamestate the way you changed your read on Klingon felt organic enough that I don't think that TSO's point was right about it being scummy. Your two scum teams were completely off though and I want you to explain that again.

This is where I explained the factions. It clearly reads that 1 faction is town and the other is scum, Klingon stop trying to misrep me here.

[itlepip]

Also Dapper, saw this and thought of you.

[itlepip]

Eagle you still have to explain those scum teams a whole lot more, cause I have no idea where they came from.

[itlepip]

You can help a man in staying on pushing his top two read by getting on Spitflop, btw.

is your second scum read me or Titus?

[itlepip]

Also Dapper, saw this and thought of you.

A man is pissing his small clothes laughing!

I am learning to appreciate your work.

[itlepip]

I don't want to lynch Kling because he's the leading wagon. I'm leaning towards that lynch again after going back and looking at some ISO and seeing that vote on itlepip was kind of just there and had no reasoning and because we sort of have a sour read on itlepip I've got this feeling that it could be some bussing there.

-Fresh

Could you clarify this? You think I'm busing Itlepip? I am Town. I can't bus anyone.

He clearly called out multiball, then awkwardly backpedaled. He Scum slipped. Because he's Scum.

Klingon, this is (another reason) why I don't buy your "I suck a d1" defense. Even if you are bad at making early reads, you are still really experienced in mafia and should be able to read and understand posts better than you are right now. I clearly said that 1 faction is town and the other scum, the only thing I 'crumbed' (or just assumed) is actually that there is only 1 scum faction. You can suck at d1 as much as you want, but when you lie about what other people are saying after clarification you are scummy.

(Before you say I'm retroactively justifying my vote or this isn't adequate for me to want you lynched today, this is far from the only post this game that lies to get an advantage).

[itlepip]

Words words words


Flip has to be Klingon. She tells the most about the most people.

What does she say if town?

It means that Spifflop and Titus should be looked at, but Dapper and random are still on the table for whiteknighting.

[itlepip]

It means that Spifflop and Titus should be looked at, but Dapper and random are still on the table for whiteknighting.

I think you should be on the table for saying "white knighting" people should defend their town reads.

Scum can do it but just that alone isn't proof of being scum.

I never said it was proof of scum, that post was saying that if Kling flips town then Titus and Spifflop are susy, but I don't think Dap and ran are conf town. I never said they were proven scum, just that they should still be on the table for lynches (Ie not off the table).

[itlepip]

I never said it was proof of scum, that post was saying that if Kling flips town then Titus and Spifflop are susy, but I don't think Dap and ran are conf town. I never said they were proven scum, just that they should still be on the table for lynches (Ie not off the table).

I don't think anyone is off the table until mod confirmed so still don't really know what purposes of that were, w/e though.

Still not sure what do in this game, not getting any good reads just a lot of wall posts that are annoying to digest and Titus spamming the damn thread so I can't catch up.

-Fire

I'm in your shoes, I don't have anything else really to say so I'm just sort of waiting for the deadline so we can kill Kling.

[itlepip]

It's here.

Have a bucket at the ready for when you vomit.

~Spiffy

Excellent, I'll look at it tomorrow.

Also, commiserations to hiplop - I forgot to mention that previously.

thanks so much :)

honestly, this game is stalling because we have caught scum and scum are trying to halt discussion. I dislike that, we honestly need a flip

Intlepip, why do you think we're scum if kling town? Seems unusual from the rest of your posts, IMO?

I never said anyone was 100% scum. I don't think it matters what happens if kling flips town since she is going to flip scum. I think that we do look at dapper's case if Kling flips town, but again that is not going to happen.

[itlepip]

yeah I'll take that post back, my read on random is more null now and I'm not feeling the town bloc as hard.

[itlepip]

nope