You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Passionate Storm]

VOTE: Eagle

Birds of Prey is my hydra. For being a noob, you seem familiar with my activity levels. You actually a noob?

[Passionate Storm]

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

The vote, or calling him town?

PEdit:
Yes. I just did my research. I'll assume this is Titus speaking. Where's your other head?

Probably asleep. I don't know. I am not her mother.

[Passionate Storm]

What games fueled your research?

[Passionate Storm]

Cmon, that's not a hard question Eagle. Did your buddies just tell you we post a lot?

[Passionate Storm]

Why did you use my wiki? Most players prefer recent games.

You should know I don't give breaks. The truth is what matters.

[Passionate Storm]

I don't like the thread right now.

Why? We're still in RVS mostly. I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS. You've been the focus, so why don't you like it?

[Passionate Storm]

VOTE: Spider Gwen

That doesn't look like RVS. Why?

[Passionate Storm]

VOTE: Aunt Jemina

This is the other head.

[Passionate Storm]

Why did you use my wiki? Most players prefer recent games.

You should know I don't give breaks. The truth is what matters.

Because after reading that and your current ongoing, I had more than enough.

Good. Have you seen what you expected/hoped for, so far?

PEdit: because I haven't seen what I was expecting to see yet, and that means I've either miscalculated, or this game might be harder than it should.

I'll give it a little longer

I am never what people expect.

Why wouldn't you use my finished games. Unless this is a total coincidence, your entire ISO seems designed to provoke.

[Passionate Storm]

VOTE: Spider Gwen

That doesn't look like RVS. Why?

explain this?

It doesn't look like RVS to me....not really much to explain there.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

I am never what people expect.

Why wouldn't you use my finished games. Unless this is a total coincidence, your entire ISO seems designed to provoke.

I beg to differ. It's not you that is throwing me off.

Oh. Darn. Maybe that's it. You think it was too strong?Perhaps I should wait a little longer, I'm sure it will happen.

Unless I'm right.

Patience. I know, it's frustrating me, too. But you'll like me again soon enough. Unless I'm wrong.

It's early enough, I can give you time and Jeanne wants to pursue AJ for awhile, but I got my eye on you.

[Passionate Storm]

@51 both heads agree you look like scum. Jeanne's gut.

Anen is making a long post but it sheeps what is already done.

We asked why EE doesn't like the thread. Jeanne pressed on AJ. The "doesn't feel like RVS" was asked already.

The only things that weren't repeats reveal a focus on being on the outside. Don't see how 46 is a joke at all, but Anen's concern highlights he feels like an outsider. the response to 50 seems like buddying and egging EE on.

VOTE: Anen

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

The vote, or calling him town?

The vote. Mainly me calling him by his alt name. I thought it'd be funny.

I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS.

Why does that matter?

Posting my thoughts. No one else seemed to be out of RVS yet. Best to be transparent with thoughts in the game. It might matter to someone reading us.

[Passionate Storm]

@Mod: Inte is voting me.

@Stormy: Answer me.

I go in order. Patience.

[Passionate Storm]

Since when is provocation early in the game a scummy thing to do?

I assume your philosophy is "provoking people in RVS is good because it gets us out of RVS and it also gets information."

Then why are you intentionally withholding a vote?

I'm waiting. It will come. Patience. Which is more provocative, a vote, or none? Based on your reaction, I must say that the latter seems more true.

PEdit: Egg puns are funny since we're both birds. But who is he buddying?

PEdit 2: Joanne pls post which head is posting inside the hydra. It makes reading people easier.

Last two posts were me.

~titus

[Passionate Storm]

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

The vote, or calling him town?

The vote. Mainly me calling him by his alt name. I thought it'd be funny.

I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS.

Why does that matter?

Posting my thoughts. No one else seemed to be out of RVS yet. Best to be transparent with thoughts in the game. It might matter to someone reading us.

You're being cautious. I don't like that. It screams scum Titus.

No. I am not being cautious at all. *head scratch* being transparent is ideal town play.

[Passionate Storm]

VOTE: Eagle

Birds of Prey is my hydra. For being a noob, you seem familiar with my activity levels. You actually a noob?

I don't like the thread right now.

Why? We're still in RVS mostly. I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS. You've been the focus, so why don't you like it?

My gut suspicion was on Eagle.

[Passionate Storm]

Actually, AJ is RVS, Aneninen is serious vote.

[Passionate Storm]

So what's the beef with AJ? Because it has to be something big to sideline a serious suspect.

You changed the words. I had a gut suspicion. Jeanne chimed in with hers. Jeanne specifically said it was the other head.

[Passionate Storm]

Titus. Do you think that acting town should be implicit or explicit?

Rephrase. I don't get the question.

[Passionate Storm]

Actually, AJ is RVS, Aneninen is serious vote.

Jeanne, sign please. I know I am bad too.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

Okay.

- Jeanne

[Passionate Storm]

Hello to you too

[Passionate Storm]

Sorry. How I see it, town should be acting town to others along with scumhunting. Do you think that town should actively point out the town things that they are doing to accomplish this goal?

Town should focus exclusively on solving the puzzle, not on appearing town unless asked a questioned or wagoned imo. Why the theory focus?

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

So what's the beef with AJ? Because it has to be something big to sideline a serious suspect.

You changed the words. I had a gut suspicion. Jeanne chimed in with hers. Jeanne specifically said it was the other head.

It was more serious than RVS. That was my point. I just found it suspect that you pursued that instead of a non-random suspect. That's not what I expect from a town Titus. But I can see scum Titus being very cautious and feeling things out. An Anen vote doesn't change that.

I didn't Jeanne did. Are you just not listening.

Titus pursues Eagle.

Jeanne RVSes AJ.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

This is green, and grey. green doesn't know what to do currently. Green is unhappy with this

- green

[Passionate Storm]

Green, u want to post without knowing which head is which. Best to find scum first and establish ourselves as town.

- gray

[Passionate Storm]

I don't like the thread right now.

Why? We're still in RVS mostly. I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS. You've been the focus, so why don't you like it?

Was this Titus or Jean?

Titus

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

Post 71 is green.

- green

[Passionate Storm]

I don't like the thread right now.

Why? We're still in RVS mostly. I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS. You've been the focus, so why don't you like it?

Was this Titus or Jean?

Titus

~Titus

Then yeah. It doesn't excuse anything. Why were you using RVS as an excuse to be cautious on pursuing Eagle?

I wasn't being cautious on the pursuit on Eagle.

[Passionate Storm]

Titus (or PS, whichever you prefer)-
66 struck me as elaborating on 61, except pointing to it as something town would do. I'm thinking it's justified under the context of Gwen's question, though

That's accurate.

[Passionate Storm]

Eagle-

1) For clarification, are you actively claiming to be purposely withholding a vote in order to gauge reactions from people that notice it?
2) In response to your question, I post what I think I can bring to the table. If something has already been said, no need to say it again.

1. Yes.
2. Perhaps. But theory is not necessarily a wonderful thing to bring to the table, especially in RVS. At least, not in my opinion, but that is theory, so I'll stop there.

But now it's time for this:

VOTE: errantparabola

I didn't like the tunneling. But I especially didn't like the way he backed off at the end.

@Passionate Storm: who is green? Who is grey?

I think we'll keep that quiet. One of us at least would like to post anonymously without meta baggage at some point.

I don't get the errant vote.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

@Stormy: You seemed to be using RVS as an excuse.

No excuse. Just facts. You should go back and take a second look. Your first gripe was that we were not voting my gut suspicion (I was), that I abandoned my push to vote AJ (wrong Jeanne was chiming in with her read), that I was being cautious based on not pushing Eagle (wrong).

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

EE, that last post just turned into a rambling thing I don't understand. You stated that EP is acting unreasonably and that town are more likely than scum to be unreasonable but you conclude EP is scum.

What do you think of SG's push on me? misreading town or desperate busyworking scum?

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

I am green.

- green

[Passionate Storm]

EP, thoughts on SG?

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

to clarify my response to 101:
I don't think that you sitting back and watching is alignment indicative.
However, I don't like that you felt the need to say that unprovoked.

I think he was sufficiently provoked.

[Passionate Storm]

Green thinks SG is scum.

[Passionate Storm]

Green thinks she's trying to frame town.

[Passionate Storm]

You might disagree with green, but green knows what green is doing. So does grey, and when green and grey combine, a force like no other is made.

[Passionate Storm]

You generally don't pursue reads after they've been proven false.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

Intuition says she's scum.

Oh, Nenny, deary, such flattery is unnecessary when speaking to me.

Please, just say, "instinct says she's scum".

Actually, AJ is RVS, Aneninen is serious vote.

Deary, what you say here does not match what you said earlier.

VOTE: Passionate Storm.

Errant

may

also be sour, however, I am not sure of this.

...Actually, while Passionate Storm is a sourread of mine, I think that I'd rather do this:
VOTE: Klingoncelt.
While I am scumreading them, regardless of their alignment, I think Celty is sour for this:

FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

There is no reason for an FoS, least of all when you have yet to cast a vote, at this stage in the game.

Like this post here by AJ. Klingon should be swinging here.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

I liked AJ's post regarding Klingoncelt. It's exactly how you and I read it. Jeanne RVSed AJ. Not sure where se's talking about it not matching what I said earlier but it's probably hydra confusion or buying crap Gwen is spewing. Overall everything else she said was good.

I think Garmr is town. Eagle is being quite aggressive for wanting to observe, even commenting on how others should reply. I can tell you I like to be involved with everything as scum. You can't control what you aren't a part of (usually).

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

[Passionate Storm]

^^ is Titus

[Passionate Storm]

151 looks like a scum wall

Forgot to add you to weak scum as well.

Why is 151 a scum wall?

[Passionate Storm]

@EE, The thread had been open for all of 20 minutes at the time. :/

[Passionate Storm]

I also would like you to state which reads, specifically you disagree with.

[Passionate Storm]

@EE, I don't think Elyse v Garmr is scum scum. I don't see how anyone could. Why do you think TSO is scum? Gwen is town?

@Elyse, your thoughts on my reads?

[Passionate Storm]

@elyse&passionatestorm
Since you acknowledged that eagle isn't hunting the logical fact him getting involved in everything+lack of hunting=scum can I get you to vote on this slot?

Garmr, I am going to vote the largest wagons of my scumreads. Right now, I think that's Anen.

[Passionate Storm]

Oh and I think EE would be scum for different reasons.

[Passionate Storm]

Oh and I think EE would be scum for different reasons.

Oh ok can you tell me those reason may convince more people to join the wagon plus it gives me a little look into you?

Sure. I felt their approach to me was off. Their argument that I was wagoned a lot day 1 isn't really supported by the games in my wiki. My wiki is extremely outdated. The whole "Passionate Storm" isn't here in the first twenty minutes felt off.

EE seemed to be invoking InuYasha mafia indirectly, which is not a game in my wiki. The references to birds of prey seemed off since that's my hyra with PV.

His reaction that he expected a wagon on us in the first 24 hours before most of the game had posted felt like he way trying to create a scenario to mislynch rather than actually analyzing the evidence.

His scumread on both Elyse and Garmr looks designed to have those two keep fighting.

[Passionate Storm]

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

Already answered I have Elyse as town. Elyse's reasoning is clear and trackable. It's wrong IMO but having one wrong read isn't scummy. I agree with most of her posts.

Anyone is easy or hard to track as scum. You're feeling a little sales many with your recent posts. Elyse isn't TOO hard to catch as scum and been bamboolzed by Titus really feel off.

[Passionate Storm]

Good night everyone.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

Green is here.

- green

P.S: Dog will pee on you.

[Passionate Storm]

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

Why did you change?

[Passionate Storm]

@Extrapolated Eagle, I like the effort your putting into this, but I can gurantee you will get burned out pretty quickly at this if you try to keep that amount for whole game. The game speed for this is much different than a blitz. Its more casual game.

I like you man, don't get burned out.

-Fire

My gut is getting indigestion Fire.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

[

Since it's 3 am will elaborate on a few things. English is my first language but
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skim
a.

To read or glance through (a book, for example) quickly

or superficially.
I'm using it as in the term quickly I looked through it quickly your pushing as I looked through superficially. Is there really even a point in arguing this because even after a a reread i still like my points which I noticed straight away. They still stand. It's scummy to to try and devalue ones case by something other than the case its self.

Fine. I take it you're saying you read the thread through and still like your points? Then I'll respond to them.

I don't understand how you came about this 360 when a couple of posts ago you were saying this

This is what I mean when I say you don't read.

I'm just going to put this out there: (I haven't had a chance to reread the thread yet) but at this moment in time I disagree with a majority of your reads. We'll have to discuss this in detail tomorrow.

Yes, I'd like to sit back and observe. But we don't always get what we want, do we? And I like starting things off.

I was tired and these were gut reaction reads. They were quick and I hadn't had time to take a step back from the thread. That's when my reads are best.

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does.

Reasoning you disagree with is not necessarily bad reasoning

I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

.. so you would prefer I don't try to justify my vote and ignore the numerous accusations against me? I don't have an infinite amount of time. Also, as I have said multiple times (though not necessarily before this post) this was a gambit and I need time to go back and think about the results before I push further. It would be stupid to tunnel him before backing off and checking on everyone else and making sure I'm going the right way with it. In my experience gambits can go horribly wrong and "scum reads" can be for the wrong reasons and end up being town.

His other content is meh.

Quote which content, pls.

Scum want to be involved in everything so they look like they are doing something tell me what has eagle actually contributed to hunting scum. His vote epola was bullshit yet his been involved with all these other events I would think a townie who was involved in everything would push more on a scum read showing eagerness. This seems like scum eagerness to look town.

Actually, if I was scum, I would AVOID putting my neck on the line to get some reads at game start. It just doesn't seem smart to start the game attracting a whole lot of attention that I really don't like when I play scum.

4.I read your singular reason for the scum read

This actually sounds like quite a few reasons to me. Perhaps you miscounted here?

I don't think it's any good. Post 100 right is the full explanation of your read. So you scum read him in short for tunneling you and not having much attention to whats around him until he finished tunneling you and started paying attention to them right thus not giving you as much attention even through his votes on you. Kinda sounds like a bs reason to me and a delayed omgus so people wouldn't mention that. Now you unvote when he unvotes you and you are being pushed by someone else.......

You don't have to like my reasoning. That's your problem. But I do have to say it's pretty early in the day, and I have to say I don't like your reasoning for voting me either. .

-- @ Passionate storm

Ok I'll see when I can get to it. But between work, eating, responding to garmr, and trying to stay on top of elyse I'm kind of short on time at the moment

It shouldn't take you too long to naturally put your reads in basic text form with no formatting or funny names to make it clear.

[Passionate Storm]

Hey guys, I need to read up on whats going on.

HEY ALCHEMIST!!!
Whats up bro?

And Garmr, damn I need to pay more attention in sign ups, so many awesome people in this game and I didn't notice at all lol.
Fail

-FIre

I'm doing good. You?

And from your 259 and 260 I'd say you're Town.

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

Why did you change?

That should be obvious. I have an actual scumread on Anen.

Actual scumread as opposed to?

[Passionate Storm]

You've already proven you can think ahead. What's to say that you didn't put your neck on the line just so that you can use this defense later?
I personally don't believe it, just want to hear your response.

Far too risky. I'm a horrible actor. I did try to gambit once as scum and I don't think I've ever been lynched faster, with the exception of my first couple mafia games - I was annoying as crap (still kinda am, I guess) and stupid and thought that everyone that voted me must be scum.
When I gambit as I have a hard time figuring out how to read people without cutting my options down too much. I haven't played scum much before.

If you're a terrible gambiter, why would you deliberately try a gambit to draw votes to me and suppose it would succeed?

[Passionate Storm]

Like this post here by AJ. Klingon should be swinging here.
~Titus

Again your actions do not match your words, as you do not vote Celty in this post.

Jeanne RVSed AJ. Not sure where se's talking about it not matching what I said earlier

VOTE: Aunt Jemina
This is the other head.

This was the aforementioned vote. It is from the other head, so you can try to argue hydra miscommunication/dissonance all you like, but in your own words: it does not seem like RVS to me. However, what's truly condemning is this, where you say it's not an RVS vote:

It's early enough, I can give you time and

Jeanne wants to pursue AJ for awhile

, but I got my eye on you.

Pursuing is not RVS.

@51 both heads agree you look like scum. Jeanne's gut.
We asked why EE doesn't like the thread.

Jeanne pressed on AJ.

Pressing is not RVS, and furthermore, the implication at this point is that you have communicated with Jeanne, thus, know Jeanne's opinion on me. Yet later, when you're called out on it...you change your story to it being RVS.

If my vote wasn't on Celty, it would be on you, deary.

We can read people the same way without voting them. Boo.
Jeanne can want to pursue an RVS vote; that doesn't make her original vote not RVS.

Your reads expressed attack both of the major two wagons. Your reads are starting to look like whoever disagrees and can be attackable is scum.

Townread revoked.

[Passionate Storm]

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

Change

Town: spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, EP
Weak Town: TSO
Gun to head scum: AJ, Eagle
Scum: Klingon, grapes, spider, Anen, Klingon

[Passionate Storm]

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

Change

Town: spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, EP, Shiro
Weak Town: TSO
Gun to head scum: AJ, Eagle
Scum: Klingon, grapes, spider, Anen, Klingon

[Passionate Storm]

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

Change

Town: spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, EP, Shiro
Weak Town: TSO
Gun to head scum: AJ, Eagle, Alch
Scum: Klingon, grapes, spider, Anen, Klingon

[Passionate Storm]

VOTE: grapes

[Passionate Storm]

Kling, yes reads darling. You had trouble forming reads in that game you mentioned. You generally do as scum. Give me whatcha got, even if it's not done.

Pip, we aren't policy lynching d1. Let's just focus on town blocking. Jaquen can be annoying but that says nothing about his alignment.

[Passionate Storm]

VOTE: grapes

One of your scum reads started that wagon. Someone you've actually been considering scum reading for a while. And someone you've just thrice stated is scum in your opinion. I think it's interesting you're joining this wagon. Perhaps you should explain?

My townreads got on. I am scumreading grapes. If scum bus, great. My goal today is to block out town. Getting town to recognize each other is key.

So who should I be town reading?

[Passionate Storm]

titus why did you just tell klingon what you were going to do to meta read her????

I didn't. Everything I said is what she already knows. I know her scum persona like the back of my own hand. Let me sort her. By the end of day 1, I should know her alignment with about 75% certainty.

Yes, it was Titus.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

Yeah, I'm surprised you don't have a read on me yet. Also I think MOHIS may be town.

You're town. Did I not say that?

Need more from Mohis. Both heads.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

@AJ
Why are you townreading Alchemist? I've found his few posts scummy.

And yeah Kling deserves votes but parking a vote on him now is fruitless since he hasn't posted since his FoS.

She.

I post evenings/late night. 'Tis the season when I'm busy as hell with holiday crap, so I won't be in any thread for very long.

Surely you can leave a Christmas present of your gut impressions though right?

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

Titus I feel like you're ignoring us.
Please answer my question I asked you awhile ago.

~Spiffy

Which question? About Alch? Pretty clear he's gun to head scum and I said so in my wall.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

Flagpost reads

Town: EP, Elyse, AJ, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Gun to head scum: Eagle
Weak scum: Spider, Anen, Klingon

Change

Town: spifflop, Elyse, Garmr, EP, Shiro
Weak Town: TSO
Gun to head scum: AJ, Eagle, Alch
Scum: Klingon, grapes, spider, Anen, Klingon

Town and pretty obviously so. I don't post these for my own ego. I kinda hope you read these.

[Passionate Storm]

kling is scum, like pretty damn obviously?

I would like to see her response before I categorize her for certain but I am leaning that way.

[Passionate Storm]

I don't like how you put us as your #1 townread but have barely acknowledged us outside of that.

Didn't you say your goal was to identify town reads today and work with them? I don't feel like you're trying to work with us.

~Spiffy

Reads were not in strength order. Like I said before, my vote will be on my scumread with the largest wagon. I followed you onto grapes for that reason. I have largely stayed out of your way and let you do what needs to be done. If you do something screwy, I will let you know. You need something ask.

P.S. Klingon's response to this question (or lack thereof) should be telling.

[Passionate Storm]

explain? you said we were salesmanny before, what changed?

(genuinely just curious)

The speech did. Overall I found myself liking your pushes and where you have been, my townreads townread you pretty hard and we have the same view of things.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

I can drop a vote on Jeanne in a New York minute, but it's very hard for me to vote for Titus on Day1. Don't worry, I'll get around to it.

do you have any other reads?

Yeah, but first:

I was waiting for a game to be not ongoing. The Day lasted exactly 11 posts, shortest Day I've ever seen here at MS, and Titus was lynched. Not her fault really, she replaced into a Scum slot. But anyway, I just felt heartless throwing a vote on her. The hydra's posts since my FoS, however, haven't done jack to make them look Towny.

So,

VOTE: Passionate Storm

Other reads:

I'm bugged by Grapes' thing. Is he buddying me? Maybe, but I think he's setting up mislynches, as in, "Oh look, those guys all called poor Klingon Scum but she flipped Town -

they

must be Scum!!"

Even though she's wrong about me, I think Auntie J's sweet.

Mo' better reads will come as this Day progresses.

Wrong answer.

VOTE: Klingon

Excuses and reflexive OMGUS from trying to draw content out of you. Twilight Zone to the last Varsoon game, the difference is pretty large here. I wasn't looking for perfect, but something. You gave me a fuck you.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

kling is scum, like pretty damn obviously?

Interesting that you should say that.

How

incredibly, lit up like a thousand suns

SCUMMMMMMMY the Klingon chick is for FoS'ing instead of dropping an actual vote.

If sheeping another player's bad reasoning is the best you can do, maybe you should sit back and let the rest of us solve the game for you.

Well you could show you're solving it with a list similar to what I made?

[Passionate Storm]

I can drop a vote on Jeanne in a New York minute, but it's very hard for me to vote for Titus on Day1. Don't worry, I'll get around to it.

do you have any other reads?

Yeah, but first:

I was waiting for a game to be not ongoing. The Day lasted exactly 11 posts, shortest Day I've ever seen here at MS, and Titus was lynched. Not her fault really, she replaced into a Scum slot. But anyway, I just felt heartless throwing a vote on her. The hydra's posts since my FoS, however, haven't done jack to make them look Towny.

So,

VOTE: Passionate Storm

Other reads:

I'm bugged by Grapes' thing. Is he buddying me? Maybe, but I think he's setting up mislynches, as in, "Oh look, those guys all called poor Klingon Scum but she flipped Town -

they

must be Scum!!"

Even though she's wrong about me, I think Auntie J's sweet.

Mo' better reads will come as this Day progresses.

Wrong answer.

VOTE: Klingon

Excuses and reflexive OMGUS from trying to draw content out of you. Twilight Zone to the last Varsoon game, the difference is pretty large here. I wasn't looking for perfect, but something. You gave me a fuck you.

~Titus

I was talking about Quaroth's game. You dead, game over, gg Town.

Why are you referencing a game that I had like two posts in? That the mod even said was hopeless before I subbed in. What good is that doing?

You got reads or what?

[Passionate Storm]

kling is scum, like pretty damn obviously?

Interesting that you should say that.

How

incredibly, lit up like a thousand suns

SCUMMMMMMMY the Klingon chick is for FoS'ing instead of dropping an actual vote.

If sheeping another player's bad reasoning is the best you can do, maybe you should sit back and let the rest of us solve the game for you.

Well you could show you're solving it with a list similar to what I made?

I'm doing my usual as Town, whether you like it or not. Reads come as I get them.

So your only reads are AJ town and us scum? Really? Nothing on grapes Alch ee? Spiffeh? Elyse?

[Passionate Storm]

@Klingon, if everyone (or most everyone) backed off right now, how soon could you read the thread and share reads?

You should be lynched for this comment. You don't back off from people in hopes they give content, you threaten them with the noose until they comply.

Klingon has zero problem telling us her thoughts as town, and I have battled with her on this. She engages various people and charges, sometimes with shit logic but she's there. Scum Klingon always begs for more time and delivers a pile of steaming shit if anything at all.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

My gizzard is screaming at me right now. Shut up, gizzard. Let me think for a moment. You might have a point, but let me contemplate it.
@itlepip, passionate storm, Elyse, and anyone else who's on right now, what are your thoughts on Shiro and Varsoon?

Shiro reads townish. Varsoon needs to post.

~Titus

[Passionate Storm]

I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

I like what I see from him though atm. He had the same profile in Inorganic Chemistry. That's why he's weak town. In Stevens Universe, he was actually more vocal.

Hey TSO, when you reach this point in your catchup, make a post witch yer current reads baby doll.

[Passionate Storm]

I'm doing my usual as Town, whether you like it or not. Reads come as I get them.

So your only reads are AJ town and us scum? Really? Nothing on grapes Alch ee? Spiffeh? Elyse?

I posted a read on Grapes.

I want to re-read Elyse and Spiffeh.

Alchemist, Anen, PereV, and Hiplop I always have trouble reading.

Extrapolated Eagle, Randomidget, Spider Gwen I don't know, they'll be harder to figure out.

1) which post?
2) please do.
3) so, reads can change. Gut thoughts please.
4) talk what does ur gut say

No reasons no nulls. Read on all of em.

[Passionate Storm]

Varsoon needs to post.

I have to say, this sounds like the worst idea in a thousand generations of bad ideas.

Why baby doll?

Can you at least vote Klingon?

*bats eyelashes*

[Passionate Storm]

How soon can this become a full list?

By the end of Day 1. Maybe sooner. I'm not in so many games right now, so, over the next 7-10 R/L days probably. Two or three at a time.

Ok, thank you.
@Passionate Storm & Elyse

Sorry for responding the way I did. I hate it when my questions get answered or responded to by someone other than the intended target.

I think Passionate Storm is likely town, now, though I'm skeptical of the play there and I'm curious as to why she joins wagons with her scum reads on them.

Yes, this means I think it's likely that spidergwen is scum. Reads coming shortly, hopefully.

The odds of getting an all town wagon d1 are abysmal. I have managed the feat for awhile but it's not common. Voting scumreads is a priority. Now if only scum were on the wagon, that'd be an issue. Let scum bus if they play anti-scum.

[Passionate Storm]

Why so obsessed with Clotid?

Fire, any reasons behind your thoughts? Why is Klingon mislynchbait as opposed to scum? Last time we played with her, I pegged her n1 as scum. So your insistence she's mislynch bait always is worrying.

I know you're busy with modding but where is Vedith head?

I also don't care that you're blindly doubtcasting the entire Klingon wagon but AJ.

@EE, What is your read on each person on the Klingon wagon?

[Passionate Storm]

Okay, I trust you. So, are you saying that Elyse shouldn't be Clotild?

No. Of course not.
I feel the good in you. You will take me.
I can't go on alone.

It's OK. We're willing to love you.

[Passionate Storm]

@EE, What is your read on each person on the Klingon wagon?

AJ null/weak scum
Aneninen town
Elyse strong scum
Passionate Storm slight town
itlepip slight town

Explain all of these please. Particularly Anen and Elyse make no sense.

[Passionate Storm]

My favorite way of playing on Day 1 isn't defending myself against Scumtards, nor is it posting walls and lengthy strong reads lists, despite what Titus said. What I like to do is sit back and observe. Watch the interactions as they happen. I can usually pick out some Townies and Scums that way

Not my usual plan. Usually you come out scumhunting. Here you have zero desire to scumhunt. If I got an idea of your reads from your posts, I wouldn't be bothering you?

I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

A wagon building fast so early in the game is built by Scum. Simple as that.

No. The LQ wagon in Sudikoen was fast and parked. It was all my townreads voting together.

This address Spider too in her lynch me post. My best town games come from blocking out the scum.

Why is FB better at reading you than me (ICed several game, plus hydraed multiple times) and Spiffehlop who seems to have 100% accuracy?

[Passionate Storm]

This is green. Grey is a bit ill, so I am standing in.

[Passionate Storm]

Shiro. Curiosity kills the cat, you know. But, here's something: you're only the third best possible Clotilde now.

I know that all too well trust me but I can't help it.

Is that a good thing? I am assuming kling and spider are the two above me?Does that mean anything? Is there a connection with how scummy someone is since kling is like top wagon right now? So many questions.

A side note

Fire and Vedith where are you? 7 posts are not like you two at all.

A second side note

I think kling is town. She reminds me of her play in twilight zone here. Especially her interactions with Titus.

I don't see how. This is more Suidoken u pick than twilight zone. Both I lynched Klingon day 1. In Sudikoen, Kling's ISO was devoid of any attempt to read people or defend people. There was nothing to engage Klingon with. She finally gave a readwall but said wall had zero conclusions but a lot of waffles. In twilight, every post Klingon made early was a defense attack or question. When we fought, it was due to her bad strategy that did not line up with her words, making me doubt everything else she said. You can grab Kling's ISO side by side with Sudioken and see the contrast.

[Passionate Storm]

I should probably make my way through the 20+ pages, and I think I will, but for now I'm selling my vote to the first person to request it. Be like a jump start, perhaps.

I request you to vote Klingoncelt.

Birds of Prey for the win.

[Passionate Storm]

@708, you are the quintessential showman. Your bluster reminds me of me. Being a showman doesn't hide the weaknesses in your case.

First, your implication is that people cannot divine reads from the comments people make. A wall is not required.

Second, your prediction match is not helpful. If you set yourself up to be lynchbait, you expect both alignments to vote you. Also, if you're scum it's a built in defense. There are very few times where wagonning yourself is good. If you do it, you must either confirm yourself or have a game breaking strategy in mind. You have neither.

Third, if Elyse is opportunistic scum, why doesn't she pick a wagon? Vote parking is how to get people lynched.

Your "case" doesn't fly.

Talk to me about Klingon or vote her.

[Passionate Storm]

... This is more Suidoken u pick than twilight zone. Both I lynched Klingon day 1. In Sudikoen, Kling's ISO was devoid of any attempt to read people or defend people. There was nothing to engage Klingon with. She finally gave a readwall but said wall had zero conclusions but a lot of waffles. In twilight, every post Klingon made early was a defense attack or question. When we fought, it was due to her bad strategy that did not line up with her words, making me doubt everything else she said. You can grab Kling's ISO side by side with Sudioken and see the contrast.

Except don't. I refer to that game as brown acid down the rabbit hole, it was the weirdest game I've ever seen.

The reads list was given reluctantly - at Titus' insistence. I hate doing readslists on Day 1. I think I said that already.

Also, the way the game was set up, Town had tons of communication, Scum were stuck with night chat only. As long as Town played half-assed or better they could pin down the Scum team pretty quick.

Titus' play was

very

strange. (So was Wgeurts' and LQ's.)

Yes. I am aware you do. There's a reason I asked. It's a huge flag you have no content this game.

Sudikoen would have been much worse without identifying a town block early. Town had communication, but not with guaranteed town.

It seems you have thoughts on this game.

I may read EE v Elyse later. Not in the mood for a wall fight.

[Passionate Storm]

Are you claiming Town Doctor or are you talking about your role in Twilight Zone?

And if you think Titus is playing like she did in Twilight Zone you wouldn't be scum reading her because she was town in that game.

~Spiffy

The words...they aren't in my mouth anymore.

[Passionate Storm]

@Kling 773 and 777 please.

[Passionate Storm]

I'm not at all interested in discussing anything with anyone who is not open to discussion and opinion change when on the topic of mafia.

You are the one who seems not open to change. You aren't event even responding to Klingon's posts here.

[Passionate Storm]

Titus we should using targeted nagging methods to get people to vote for Klingon.

That is how confident I am.

~Spiffy

FUCK

It's what I always do.

[Passionate Storm]

But here check this out:
Klingon is under pressure. Passionate Storm makes a couple posts about how scummy she is, and what does Elyse say when one of her prime scum reads that she wants lynched over Gwen? "Ditto to passionate storm" now she may have those thoughts all on her own, but this way, when kling OMGUS votes passionate storm, what does she say about Elyse? "Need to reread." Now I don't know about you but for me when I'm OMGUS ing I try to get all my aggressors, because that way maybe they'll back off. But Klingon didn't even feel the push. Which means it wasn't really there

You think I'm not noticing Elyse?

I posted a partial reads list with her as Scum.

...And it's not there. WTF? What happened to it?

Good thing I have it in my notes.

Anyway, I'm staying parked on the grey-green Scum.

Here's the list

that should have been posted at 4 this morning, is the site updating or something?

:

Alchemist21 - He's one of the players on this site that I can't read. Can't Read

Aneninen - He's one of the players on this site that I can't read. This game... He's kinda goofy. Not alignment indicative, though. The Clotilde thing... wtf. Can't Read

Errantparabola - Very much in the game, paying attention... Town

Dapper Stranger(Fresh & Jaqen hydra) - Looks like Fresh is having trouble using Jaqenspeak. Anyhoo, they're paying attention. A bit fixated on SpiderGwen, but...Lean Town

Aunt Jemina - C'mon, AJ is always Town, isn't she? Isn't she? It bugs me that she jumped on my FoS post, but w/e. It bugs me much more that after I explained my hesitation to vote Titus, AJ made no comment towards me, nor did she remove her vote. Until very recently I was the usual Day1 low-hanging fruit lynch, I wonder if she's just going for the easy mislynch. Lean Scum

Elyse - Happy to finally be in a game without RC, but she acts like a basket case regardless. Her posts are full of busywork, but I'm not seeing any depth. She bounces her votes with little clarification: Garmr, Aneninen, Extrapolated Eagle, Klingoncelt, Extrapolated Eagle, Klingoncelt. Scum


Extrapolated Eagle - More posts than anyone else. Way more than most. My eyes are glazing over. I'll start here tomorrow.

Why include people you can't read? Whyam I not there? Why no strong stances? Why don't you have spiffehlop and itep reads!

[Passionate Storm]

@EE - 799

First, who doyou believe is town reading Klingon due to her reads? Her reads are in 790. All posts after that say lynch her. Why do you believe her reads are legit? I don't see you having a rational posting here but having conclusions and fitting your beliefs to them.

As for Elyse, you should be able to summarize what is important in a paragraph or two. I can ask you what posts support which statements.

[Passionate Storm]

@Kling 773 and 777 please.

Klingon

[Passionate Storm]

@EE - 799

First, who doyou believe is town reading Klingon due to her reads? Her reads are in 790. All posts after that say lynch her. Why do you believe her reads are legit? I don't see you having a rational posting here but having conclusions and fitting your beliefs to them.

As for Elyse, you should be able to summarize what is important in a paragraph or two. I can ask you what posts support which statements.

1. I believe it is possible Klingon's explanation for her RVS is relevant.
2. Her lack of reads is one hundred percent justifiable by the fact that she is being hounded for them consistently.

I am surprised to see you scum read and tunnel her so hard. It actually shocks me to think that you might fo this as town. I am quite tempted to vote for you right now, but even you, I don't think, are as worthy of a lynch as Elyse is as you showed when you indirectly defended her by taking the argument I made, attempting to defeat rather than discuss it (although I foolishly hoped for the latter) which shows you are willing to read my arguments, by the way, and then come and do this the way you're doing it right now.

No, I shouldnt read you out of my personal emotions, that's how I screw things up, but I lost my town read on you the moment you refused to respond to my rebuttal.

Actually answer my questions and include the post for the rebuttal and I will answer.

[Passionate Storm]

Starting to think EE is a Klingon scumbuddy.

~Spiffy

His refusal to indicate who is townreading Klingon made me suspect as well but I may have Jeanne talk to EE in a bit.

Jeanne and I both agree Klingon is scum but Jeanne has suspicions of Elyse. So her talking to EE may be more effective.

[Passionate Storm]

This isn't a negotiation.

1. You stated your expectation as if it actually occurred.

2. Your analysis on Klingon was shaken after being confronted with facts. Can you bullet point your other reservations?

3. I still would like Jeanne to talk with you on Elyse. I like the fact she disagrees (I feel like I am dominating the hydra). She'd gain more on how to work with people, possibly articulate her Elyse read. Doubly so if I disagree on Elyse.

4. Reading 716 now.

[Passionate Storm]

1) Why would you know that I would feel you were like me? Are you artificially emulating me?

2) This doesn't respond to the point I raised.

3) Your theory sucks. You need to stop theory crafting and just explain why something is scummy until you have played awhile. My most successful self wagon did not come until years in.

4) Your wagon hopping theory is wrong.

5) I am seeing plenty of followup. Followup doesn't mean tunnel.

6) We'r talking about Klingon.

[Passionate Storm]

0. Yes. I just haven't been reading your wall fight because I don't want deal with pedantic things while sick.

1. Why did you feel emulating me was a good idea?

2. OK.

3. Vague pronoun use.

4. Done.

5. You should know this from my games.

[Passionate Storm]

1. I am focusing on lynching actual scum with my townreads. You should read Sudoken. My people skills need work because I am not the type to let people make dumb decisions. I am trying to be friendlier as town. You should see that as a difference. I don't enjoy shutting people down.

I do see us as very alike on many levels but you are newer. Reading me I am told is hard. I suppose it's time I get a dose of my own medicine.

3. I have ruled out Elyse as scum and I see little to change my mind.

[Passionate Storm]

This isn't a negotiation.

Jesus, why do you always tunnel?
It is so annoying no matter your alignment.

Cuz I am right.

This fire?

Your read on me?

[Passionate Storm]

A side note

Fire and Vedith where are you? 7 posts are not like you two at all.

I am sorry Shiro senpai for disapointing you ;(

I will make more fluff posts so it feels like I have more pressence <3

Sincerly your best best friend,
Firebringer

Gut pinging. Why you don't vote Klingon?

[Passionate Storm]

Gut pinging. Why you don't vote Klingon?

Klingoncelt is always D1 mislynch bait and you know this for a fact.

Not true. She's scum sometimes and lives till later as town sometimes.

That's still not answering your actual read there.

[Passionate Storm]

When Klingon flips scum, I am lynching you next if you make no effort to sort her.

[Passionate Storm]

Klingoncelt is scum. That is all.

[Passionate Storm]

Starting to scumread itlepip. Seems a bit dodgy. Might switch votes if spidey returns and interacts with me.

This is scum.

I've specifically asked your thoughts on the current wagons and situations and you ignore them. Instead, you basically giver Spider Gwen instructions on how to get you to remove your vote on her and threaten to switch it to itlepip, who isn't an option for today. You continue to hide behind your reads and refuse to give opinions about the current gamestate, which will allow you to tag along to whatever wagon you want as deadline approaches.

I can't find the words that were in my mouth again.

Somehow Jeanne still thinks you're scum though. She's refusing to post to say why because she thinks I am game throwing by not believing er although she has given no reason.

I still think you're obvtown though and I am the only one posting so yeah...

[Passionate Storm]

Random day 2 lynch Elyse?

[Passionate Storm]

i mean realistically if you ignore eagle and titus's posts...

and then like the rest of the game too.

and just play on whatever page you happen to be reading it becomes very easy to stay caught up.

I want a policy vig on you.

[Passionate Storm]

Yes that post was me. Jeanne is rebelling from posting or giving advice but still wants to being hydra so.... It's all me unless otherwise marked.

[Passionate Storm]

That's like saying a flood is a little bit too much water.

[Passionate Storm]

And I wasn't rolefishing. I don't give a fuck about your role.
Alignment, now that's another story. I'm hoping you're Town.

Oh shyt, you DO give a f-ck. You give a lot of f-ck.
You really want to know who Varsoon is and you really want to know who I am.

Varsoon is Luke Skywalker and he will never go to the Dark Side, so Varsoon's Town and that's all that matters. I truly do not a single fuck give about his role.

As for you, bucko, I'm not the one that's dangling Clotilde in front of everyone. I want to know who she is, not what you are.

How do you know Varsoon's Flavor?

Second, God was scum in YCBA2

death in family might be a little more absent than usual for a few days. will try to still post if i can

Sorry for your loss.

[Passionate Storm]

Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

A man is giving but a few examples. Two of these reads- the ones on Elyse and Klingon- a man is finding of utmost importance. He sees no reason in making a long post longer. This last quote is also the meat of his argument against Spiff. That one is making a snap read on someotne solely because they aren't falling in line with everyone else with Stupid Voting Sequence. A man is opening with a question at large when he is making the start of a game (which isn't happening this time) and knows, just so, this isn't telling anything of one's alignment. Neither is Klingon's venture from the common path.

Once he is seeing some agreement amongst others he is sticking with that one as his intended target because he is knowing it to have traction. From there, he is with AN AGENDA of finding the "scum" in Klingon, twisting some things she is saying in an effort to keep interest. Keep in mind, his initial "scum read" is still coming from the flakiness of reasons (capitalizing on the human condition of being resistant to change or anything different, kinda like how at work or school most people are put off by having to learn a "new way of doing things") as the basis for his read. With a preconceived notion, a man is noting it is easy to find evidence to support an opinion. A man is doing this much and more, and getting away with even more than he should have been able to, as scum in his last game.

This alone isn't causing a man's scum read on Spit.

That's where post like this exchange are coming in

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

elyse I haven't been clear I still think you're town. Titus mentioned the fight you were involved in so I went back

you went from "pretty damn town" -> "probably town"

pedit: yes, that too

At the time of the first post Elyse was feeling a bit of hate and this one is abruptly calling the Garmr/Elyse match TvS with Garmr looking very town and Elyse not so much. When all is being quickly explained and it is obvious opinion is swinging against Elyse, Spiff is going back to 'nah girl! You're town just not uber town' as an out on what's evidence of his first slip. A man is naming it such because it is showing his eagerness to lynch

someone

. That kind of excitement a man isn't seeing from early D1 town because they aren't having the knowledge needed to form an opinion truly one way or the other.

But, for the while Klingon is getting a bit of a reprieve from as much suspicion this one is making himself to be fully into his cups with how he wanting squished Grapes:

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

on that note, wanna go for grapes spidey?

That one is also doing a fair amount of schmoozing. First with Aunt Jemina (whose ego everyone know she is liking stroked) with his over the top "my friendly maple syrup mama" town assignment to his "girl power" post and then acting as if he's captivated by the secret alt which is Spider Gwen (who cares, not relevant to the game). This schmoozing is giving this one a free pass as he is saying those things he thinks people want to hear. Instead of ardently figuring out who is or isn't scum.

And then, finally, a man is presenting this

Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

Umm, no. Nothing to town is a slam dunk 426 posts into a large theme game. A man is knowing this to be just so, just as he is knowing both Spiffheads are feeling the same way as town with the hesitance D1 in recently finished games with the both which neither are exercising here. The only way Klingon is a slam dunk for scum at this point is if scum are feeling pretty sure they are causing the mislynch of a strong player the first day which is high on their priority for night kills.

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With all this in mind, Anen, a man's perspective on both Celt and Elyse is coming not from their posts, but rather Spifflop. That one's stance on Elyse is town quickly to Elyse is scum when that is briefly popular and then quickly back to Elyse is town again is showing she can't be scum with Spifflop because she's easily being discarded with little provocation.

Likewise Spifflop's play which is causing a man's scum read is making it impossible to consider Klingon may be scum as scum aren't throwing away a scummate because they FoS'd in RVS.

His interactions with Gwen are giving a man pause there as well as he isn't putting together how those are scum together. A man also hasn't put much effort into that as yet but is seeing if such ties exist later on. For now

VOTE: Spifflop

I have caught scum on post 29 before. Sometimes scum are just bad.

[Passionate Storm]

Ransom's readwall is classic wants to vote everyone but the lead wagon scum.

[Passionate Storm]

Spiffehop is obvious town. People deliberately wagonning him after one head has a death in the family and cannot defend himself. Just terrible.

That being said Klingon is still obvious scum. So is random midget.

[Passionate Storm]

Dapper may not be town.

The last two games Klingon was scum, she had this issue. Both times she killed me before I could push her.

[Passionate Storm]

Dapper do not mention ongoings. I cannot talk about Metal Gear Solid or the accuracy of my reads.

[Passionate Storm]

Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

And this is where those are buttering your butt HERE.

That exchange T v T.

Trouser Gods I was scum. I don't see why you reference it. I legit sucked there.

My bad.

[Passionate Storm]

Titus is a defense attorney. Often, cops will have a forgone conclusion based on either the suspect or their own ineptitude and laziness and they search for evidence which specifically supports their bias, instead of finding evidence and following it to where it goes. In a very real way Titus has to recognize this irl in order to either establish reasonable doubt or have the evidence thrown out to properly serve her clients and keep a successful business. That she's acting like she can't see that here when it's something she does for a living is highly suspect.

Did you literally doubtcast me based on my job?

Second, that's not even a proper description of my job.

[Passionate Storm]

It's part of it. All defense attorneys are having to face such obstacles.

Ok first off. Cops defense attorneys and prosecutors all engage in a search for truth, but each has their own biases they bring to the table. That is no different than three people in any Mafia game trying to sort an alignment.

The difference is that all facts for the cop and the prosecutor are filtered through the police for the most part.

The defense attorney has the facts according to their client and the police evidence.

All parties are naturally more inclined to believe their sides. We all value evidence that is consistent more with our internal beliefs than what goes against them. I have learned to watch for such indicators in police and highlight them.

That in no way has bearing on this game. Do not dare use my job as a reason to doubtcast or townread me in a game again or I will turbo lynch you. (If you pull it today, after Klingon). K.

[Passionate Storm]

A defense attorney's business is also not based in acquittals but helping people get the best possible results based on the truth. Being honest with the client about the odds and helping them fix their lives is what I do for 90 percent of my clients.

[Passionate Storm]

Complete sentences with punctuation and complete thoughts please Garmr.

Ok in short I had a scum read previously on kling Because even through the case on her originally was pretty weak. She panicked and flailed which I never seen a town kling do before. Also a town kling would be more involved as town she's pretty bad at scum and that's what I am seeing here.

Also I don't like the wagon that has built up spiffy. Eagle is scummy as hell and I want to choke the people who right him off as a village idiot and the case that has been pushed against him is something I don't agree with because town tend to not be as coherent as scum and the case is based on coherency.

Look at Celt's meta again. She is sucking D1 usually as either alignment. A man isn't saying at this point she can't be scum, just that her suck here isn't a good reason to lynch her.

As far as coherency, a man can only assume this one is speaking of him as its a man who is presenting a case. When has this one EVER seen a man presenting an incoherent case even on D1? This one is having plenty of experience, both with Jaqen and his main. A man is town in most of those games, so this one may wish to rethink this test.

It's a different kind of sucking. As town, she's much more inquisitive than here.

[Passionate Storm]

@SpiderGwen, I literally just helped town win a near flawless game by blocking.

[Passionate Storm]

Oh and I was town in Organic Chemistry.

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I have learned to watch for such indicators in police and highlight them.

Which is making the skill relevant. Once a lady is bringing her job into a game (any game) it is become free to use. A lady did just this in a recent game we are finishing without provocation to do so, so it's now fair game to use. A man has many and more who are threatening policy lynch before. What's one more threat!

I used it in a scum PT to tell you how I think sparingly. It was meant to help your play, not as an end all be all.

You are getting lynched D2

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Give me 1 single post where klingon actually does something to move town forward. She hasn't pushed anyone at all this game, nor has she defended herself. How is not defending yourself town if you aren't going to scumhunt? The whole point of voting is because the reactions people give when pressured can be used to form reads.

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepip

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

Here let's try a different question. Suppose your wagon is all town, who is scum and why?

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Complete sentences with punctuation and complete thoughts please Garmr.

Ok in short I had a scum read previously on kling Because even through the case on her originally was pretty weak. She panicked and flailed which I never seen a town kling do before. Also a town kling would be more involved as town she's pretty bad at scum and that's what I am seeing here.

Also I don't like the wagon that has built up spiffy. Eagle is scummy as hell and I want to choke the people who right him off as a village idiot and the case that has been pushed against him is something I don't agree with because town tend to not be as coherent as scum and the case is based on coherency.

Look at Celt's meta again. She is sucking D1 usually as either alignment. A man isn't saying at this point she can't be scum, just that her suck here isn't a good reason to lynch her.

As far as coherency, a man can only assume this one is speaking of him as its a man who is presenting a case. When has this one EVER seen a man presenting an incoherent case even on D1? This one is having plenty of experience, both with Jaqen and his main. A man is town in most of those games, so this one may wish to rethink this test.

It's a different kind of sucking. As town, she's much more inquisitive than here.

A man is disagreeing. He is seeing her throw the apathetic hands in the air as town when she is run up over halfway quickly with just as many saying they are supporting her wagon before. Again, town are ill informed D1. Especially in the first week of D1. What is this one expecting of her knowing this is who Celt is?

Her to pick apart posts not involving her and ask questions.

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Here let's try a different question. Suppose your wagon is all town, who is scum and why?

Can I ask you a question?

Same scenario. Except this time we're assuming she's town. Is it likely her wagon is made entirely up of town?

Yes.

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This address Spider too in her lynch me post. My best town games come from blocking out the scum.

Haven't you played with Titus before?

I have. Why do you think I want to lynch her?

As for Clotilde, if you want to target me that's fine. It's a wasted shot, but whatever.

Yes, I did something as I did in O Chem. I was town. This leads you to think I am scum?

Town blocking is scumTitus. (ignores my recent victory where I town blocked for the win).

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She doesn't need room to breathe to do that.

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@TSO i'm voting Gwen bc she is scummy and ignoring my questions.

What are your thoughts on the current major wagons?

You're hiding behind your spider Gwen vote.

A man is wondering why a lady is deflecting from a wagon that many and more believe could be scum?

There's no way Jaquen misunderstood what Elyse was saying.

Dapper Klingon

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Dapper may not be town.

The last two games Klingon was scum, she had this issue. Both times she killed me before I could push her.

Keep making up those stories.

Varsoon is in this game. Shall I ask him to verify that the Scum TEAM in that game asked him to send a message from us to you in the Dead Zone saying that you were killed early because you were a threat to the Scum TEAM. The TEAM, not me.

I read your PT. He told me too.

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Stormy: VC please. I know you keep track.

Mod: VC Please

Nope. Just use the mod's.

[Passionate Storm]

Okay. It's not as bad as I thought.

Stormy: Give me a good reason to think you're town. Because you're the only thing I hate about a Klingon wagon. I should see it soonish. Maybe.

P-edit: No she's not. She's saying Random is hiding behind his vote on me and using it as a reason to not do anything. Which was exactly what he was doing.

Whaddya know I said random's scum too.

Get outta yer own way.

Random Jaquen Klingon

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@TSO i'm voting Gwen bc she is scummy and ignoring my questions.

What are your thoughts on the current major wagons?

This is a direction in which she is proposing rm goes.

You're hiding behind your spider Gwen vote.

This is a taunt admoshing a vote.

This is how a man is reading this.

That's more stretchy than my stretch Armstrong toy.

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What do you think I did in Sudoken?

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Kling. aren't you still OMGUSing me? How have I sucked to AJ

You're wishing it were OMGUS.

Sheeping Jemima hard. Jemima popped a vote on me because of my FoS. The FoS was explained and then changed to a real vote after a certain game ended. (Not Titus' fault at all, but the last Day in that game lasted only 11 posts, ending with her lynch.) All this was explained, yet everyone still reacts to the FoS while AJ maintains silence on the matter. Some people seem terrified of getting on her sour side.

In your case, the sheeping is just one of your tells. The far worse tell is your condescending attitude towards Town, basically telling us to work

for

you instead of you offering to work

with

us. Titus is doing the same thing, btw.

I am very condescending as town.

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In getting people off she is recognizing (and admits that she does) when the prosecution is having a suspect and then finding evidence to support the guilt thereof instead of finding evidence which is leading them to a suspect. The former is what Spifflop is done to Celt and Titus should see that.

Why are you white knighting Klingon?

What do you do when she flips scum?

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I am very condescending as town.

And as Scum.

I am more of a kiss ass as scum

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Random midget Jacquen Klingon

Help me find the rest Elyse. The VC may help

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Leaning grapes as another

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EE will be a pain to read.

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Alchemist, Spider Gwen, one of the lurkers

Could see Alch.

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Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Another guy that is shoehorning Jaqen's case and using it as an opportunity to ignore Klingon's scumminess and remove her greatest adversary.

This is scum with Klingon.

Agreed.

I wish Jeanne would post her thoughts too.

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Do you think Spider can be bitter town?

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These guys aren't noobs, Titus. Most of them have played with me before. They know how I play. They know I'm a Day 3 player.

Now she's trying to leverage the whole "Klingon sucks on D1" thing Jaqen spoonfed her.

~Spiffy

She bitches about sucking D1 normally. See Sudoken and Twilight.

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The Spliff is on my Null list, so I'll have to think about it.

I'd much rather see Passionate Storm or Itlepip lynched. They're trying to control Town, as opposed to working with Town. They are Scum.

Here she is giving herself an out when she hops on my wagon later.
Her reason for scum reading PS and itlepip doesn't make any sense.

~Spiffy

Agree.

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Town: Passionate Storm, Elyse, itlepip, EP, TSO, Aunt Jemima, Garmr, Aneninen

Scum: Klingon, randomidget, Alchemist, grapes

Everyone else is null.
I can't tell if Jaqen is scum with Klingon throwing her a bone or is just stubborn town.
The way so many people latched onto his shit case makes me think scum are trying to hide behind it and he is actually town.

~Spiffy

Jaquen more likely than not is scum.

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Why do you feel that way?

~Spiffy

He's far too invested in protecting Klingon and attacking the townblock. His attacks are bullshit and designed to probe weak points in town blocks. He's systemically moved through the block, rather than being frustrated that any particular read was getting ignored. They started with me but I didn't get a wagon. Then Elyse. Then me again. Then itepip. Then you. He's getting frustrated about us being a clique and Klingon bring scumread but not any read getting traction. His attacks, especially that IRL one, are that we suck.

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Passionate storm, Elyse, pip, spiffeh lop, Varsoon, Garmr

Applying TSO AJ , Spider Gwen

Gun to head town TWIE but his lack of content and votes makes me not care if he dies

Need to get invested: Shiro Mohis interest errant, Shiro voting scum is a good sign

Gun to head scum PV

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Top line is townblock

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Why do you feel that way?

~Spiffy

He's far too invested in protecting Klingon and attacking the townblock. His attacks are bullshit and designed to probe weak points in town blocks. He's systemically moved through the block, rather than being frustrated that any particular read was getting ignored. They started with me but I didn't get a wagon. Then Elyse. Then me again. Then itepip. Then you. He's getting frustrated about us being a clique and Klingon bring scumread but not any read getting traction. His attacks, especially that IRL one, are that we suck.

Townblok

D1

Yeah right

A man is wanting no part of that hokey crap

More like scum looping naive town they think they can control into thinking they are town because they're including them in a group. Yeah, catch that whole effing thing on fire and burn it down

Literally just won by doing this while scum raged. Textbook Sudoken.

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Titus our opinions are so similar idk whether to embrace it or be terrified.

PEdit: Jaqen who do you think is scum other than myself? Also why are you trying to ignore how obvtown I was in my latest bout of posting?

~Spiffy

in this game, embrace it bc we are both obvtown. Just go your homework. If I haven't laid a foundation, press it.

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I see it. This is another short game resolved by Titus blocking

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Save EE for last in case of townbeard.

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Ee, asking for thoughts from scumreads is pretty duh. It leaves tells if they are scum and helps readjust if wrong.

I believe your reads are the ones based in emotion not his.

Let me give you a hypothetical.

You are trying to determine if an individual is sick. You do not have a doctor. Two people who know the individual say she's sick. The patient says no and denies these people know her. She points to someone less familiar to say she's healthy.

What conclusion do you draw regarding the patient's health?

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None of the people in this scenario are a doctor? Then I discussed things with the patient directly. Particularly why said people might lie about her sickness.

None are. Ok, you think that people knowing her would lie. Why? Why not ask the two who know her and investigate their evidence? Why do you search for evidence they are lying?

I haven't said anything about lying, accuracy or anything else, just that the two knew the patient better.

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EE?

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None of the people in this scenario are a doctor? Then I discussed things with the patient directly. Particularly why said people might lie about her sickness.

None are. Ok, you think that people knowing her would lie. Why? Why not ask the two who know her and investigate their evidence? Why do you search for evidence they are lying?

I haven't said anything about lying, accuracy or anything else, just that the two knew the patient better.

I am not saying that I think the people who know her are lying. It is quite possible they are simply misguided. I would like to hear it from the patient themselves. Why take it from a second-hand source when you can take it from a first hand source? My parents are very good to me. They have spent a large majority of my life with me. They most likely know me best of anyone. And yet I have told them I was sick in the past and they did not believe it. My parents are possibly on the other end of the spectrum to these two people you mentioned, but you two have known Klingon for months, perhaps a year. My parents have known me for decades. They were still wrong about me and when they finally took me to the ER the doctor said "just in time why didn't you take him sooner?" It is so easy to believe something about someone or think you know someone when truly human beings are so complex that even the people who make them cannot fully understand them.

So no, I would talk to the patient themselves.

Of course people who know you can be wrong, but yet even in your scenario, the parents figured it out before it was too late. Why can't this scenario be smart parents? You know your parents loved you and they didn't want you to be ill. No one wants their kids to be ill.

Do you think it's possible that the patient may not want to admit she's ill?

All sides should be investigated. No one is going to claim they are sick after all.

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EE?

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I am drunk EE so I'm gunna crash soon

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Fight not useful when u just say u suck no u suck

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I love intellectual sparring. These questions were thinly veiled sparring anyway. Jaquen picked it up too.

Either you are paranoid of experts or you really are filtering everything through Klingon town.

What happens in a Klingon scum world?

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I will also be showing you my issues with you. They center mostly on your read with me as it's the most obvious and pretty much the only thing u short posted about lately that changed much and had substance.

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That was at EE.

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hiplop here to say I'm gonna catch up as best I can tomorrow

but what the fuck happened while I was gone

Bitch fighting drunk Titus trying to sort EE.

Scumteam solved but for a few. Block was busy.

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I love intellectual sparring. These questions were thinly veiled sparring anyway. Jaquen picked it up too.

Either you are paranoid of experts or you really are filtering everything through Klingon town.

What happens in a Klingon scum world?

I'd like to say me, too, but I'm not quite sure what defines an intellectual, and I believe that makes me not one.

I don't take things at face value. I like to play devil's advocate.

In a Klingon scum world, Elyse is null-scum and spifflop is town. Maybe null-town, although I don't know that spiffy thinks that hard, so I'll put him as town for now. You're likely town.

What happens in an Elyse scum world?

PEdit: I'll take that as an acceptance, then. I will hop to it the moment I get the chance.

Lots more booze for Titus as Elyse likely felt she had to bus Kling. In Elyse and Kling town world, Titus needs a distillery and a reset.

If I am right Jaquen Kling and random as scum?

What would you expect to see if Klingon was scum?

What would you expect scum to do in a scenario where the townblock is actually town?

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I love intellectual sparring. These questions were thinly veiled sparring anyway. Jaquen picked it up too.

Either you are paranoid of experts or you really are filtering everything through Klingon town.

What happens in a Klingon scum world?

Things are changing, obviously. But this is where we are right now. A man is stating there is no EVIDENCE of Klingscum. Only gut feelings. There' IS actual evidence of a scum agenda coming from Spitflop. And now a non town Spiffeh reaction. A lady is but blinded by a "hun" thrown her way and the fact that for once she isn't on the chopping block.

You forgot the irrefutable cases of "meta" also brought against her.

I taught Klingon how to play. Twilight is one of the few times I read her wrong. I am right like 80 percent of the time on her.

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since you think these "men" are finding wisdom? which ones? I refuse to believe you think randommidget/grapes are contributing/valid town choices.

I agree with titus that this is a grapes/random scum, rather than Jaqen. Jaqen is doing his goofy-stubborn shtick

I think Jaquen is scum with grapes random and Klingon.

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dapper is a hydra of cerb and jaqen isn't it?

pedit: you think jaqen scum? I'm still a bit behind. You said the opposite a few pages back, apologies.

No....

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That's saying

More likely than not Jaquen is scum. Meaning greater than 50 percent chance of Jaquen scum.

[Passionate Storm]

I am home.

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I don't drink and drive. Hahaha.

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If I am right Jaquen Kling and random as scum?

Assuming this one is 100% wrong on that first count, because you are, where is this leaving her?

That question is for EE not you.

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Nah I will take the scum that is wagoned

A reset means throw everything out and start over. Hit the rest button.

I will answer the rest in the morning sober

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Klingon is objectively not a "counter wagon"

we are.

A counterwagon is any wagons that two players must pick between but in the vernacular people think counterwagon only applies to the wagon that came second in which Klingon would not be a counter wagon.

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So I had to study, but now I am back. Eagle, what are your reads?

[Passionate Storm]

Unless anyone is up for an alchemist wagon. That may actually be even better

Shiro why don't you want to vote for Klingon?

~Spiffy

I think she is town. I am getting the same feeling reading her as I was in twilight.

I could be wrong but eeeeeh I.don't want to go against my feelings.

Not even for cookies and a grapes wagon tomorrow?

~Titus

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Nope. Nope. Nope. Pbpa isn't possible until night and even then I don't know that that will be enough time. Alright Ill probably have my reads for you some time tonight, Titus, but they won't be as deep as I want them to be. :'(

That was actually Jeanne talking. While having her sign is good, your powers of observation should have told you that.

1) Jeanne's post implied an absence from the thread. I was not absent.
2) Jeanne's post implied studying. I was drunk. Drunk people generally are not off to study.
3) The post implied a lack of knowledge with your reads, which I do not have.

Reading between the lines is a very valuable skill. I think it might be part of the reason you are not voting Klingon.

Now to the substance of our discussion last night.

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1255 -

First, for teaching your little brother chess metaphor. You may not beat him, but you're probably familiar with the gambits and openings he likes to start with as both white and black correct? You may not have figured out to beat him, but you know what he does in certain circumstances.

Second, Klingon is incapable of lurking away pressure as either alignment. As scum, you get active lurking shit. As town, she gets pissed off her reads are not taken seriously while acknowledging D1 is not her best play. Here's she's just bitching about being wagoned and tried to active lurk.

Third, your multiball story shows that you think silence is the best approach. It isn't. However, a noob resisting an idea usually means the idea is bad for his faction. I am one of the few notorious people who will tell you, regardless of alignment, what the ideal town moves are at the start. Towards the end, I highjack the process for scum. See The last mini theme hosted by Flay Gunar. Someone like PV would lurk off a wagon.

The truth is people play based on their expectations of the setup. Much like chess. I have spent quite awhile teaching Klingon how the pieces move. You do that in this game, you get in their head.

Compare the rage in Sudoken and Pun Mafia versus Twlight Zone (reference townie Xiao Xiao Buns). Look at the scum PTs.

Now onto the world as you see it.

1273 is wrong. Klingon is the first real wagon. A few stray voters in a large doesn't count as a wagon because you want it to.

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Nope. Nope. Nope. Pbpa isn't possible until night and even then I don't know that that will be enough time. Alright Ill probably have my reads for you some time tonight, Titus, but they won't be as deep as I want them to be. :'(

That was actually Jeanne talking. While having her sign is good, your powers of observation should have told you that.

1) Jeanne's post implied an absence from the thread. I was not absent.
2) Jeanne's post implied studying. I was drunk. Drunk people generally are not off to study.
3) The post implied a lack of knowledge with your reads, which I do not have.

Reading between the lines is a very valuable skill. I think it might be part of the reason you are not voting Klingon.

Now to the substance of our discussion last night.

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the post itself as much as I was to responding. I skimmed there. And yes I thought that was weird that you were studying but maybe you study as a drinking game or its a euphemism or something.

That's an issue and poor town play or scum play. The devil is in the details. If you miss them because you're responding, then you aren't doing your team favors. My old teacher told me an adage (which I still break too much and will butcher.) God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen twice as much as you speak.

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Oh and your wagon analysis is off. See Legends of the Hidden Temple.

I expect a townie to have voted for Spiffeh at some point, thus convincing scum the wagon has a chance.

If a scum is wagoned early, scum have two options. Bus or find a counter. I think we both can agree bus is not likely an option. So Klingon is thrown out as a counter suggestion.

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Going with the supposition that Klingon is town momentarily.

I would expect scum to vehemently white knight Klingon's wagon while actively avoiding any counters. TWIE fits this profile but he is an ass and does it to avoid my vca. The wagoners on the baby wagons would be more likely to be scum. The only exception would be a wagoner who jumps on Spifflop despite stating something like Klingon is still scum.

Klingoncelt is the type of person scum push as a first or last resort if scum. If she was town, her wagon should have been rapid as fuck. It wasn't. It's a name here and a name there gradually.

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That's an issue and poor town play or scum play. The devil is in the details. If you miss them because you're responding, then you aren't doing your team favors. My old teacher told me an adage (which I still break too much and will butcher.) God gave you two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen twice as much as you speak.

Alright, are you really calling me poor town or scum because I had not yet gotten around to reading in depth the request for reads as I was still reading the first part of the thread to catch up?

...

I mean... What?! Mind if I ask why you expect me to read in depth the posts currently being posted in the thread and catch up with the thread reading those posts simultaneously? Because let's be honest, dear. That doesn't make sense at all. Why would I read posts in depth now that could be taken out of context later? Part of good reading is understanding the place the other person is coming from and glass I had not yet gotten to that place, I was not able to properly read. Calm down, please. I am, in fact, trying to work with you. But give me time. You ask for a decision now, but I still feel the need to gather information. It is out of my comfort zone to try to put down a decision so quickly and I don't like being pressured.

I expect you to slow down so you can digest it. I am trying to work with you. Posting before understanding is poor play. I am telling you that because I want you to be better and not dismissed as a village idiot or scum.

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Call me in thread when you want to talk.

I have been wanting you two to discuss Elyse for ages. Jeanne isn't giving me specific reasons so maybe since you agree with her there, you will help her.

We're all manipulative. It's all our nature. I am just up front about it. If you can't see my agenda, worry.

[Passionate Storm]

Not a fan of that Garmr read EE coming from you. Any guess why?

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Was Titus there. My bad.

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Why include people you can't read? Whyam I not there? Why no strong stances? Why don't you have spiffehlop and itep reads!

The no strong stance thing is the only legit question. It should be obvious to you that she was going in alphabetical order. So everybody up to Eagle. That should have answered that question. I really can't believe you'd miss that.

If she was going in abc order, then why wasn't the wall posted with names in abc order? It wasn't obvious to me.

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@gwen, I see the same pattern. I would like you to come to the realization I have, so let's work this out.

Where do you see scum doing that?

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What does that tell you about Klingon?

[Passionate Storm]

@EE
Jeanne is incompetent. Don't hold your breath. I also don't understand how I haven't been "getting dirty" - I've pushed Kling and was the first to call out randomidget. I've called Jaqen's case bullshit and dismantled your case before it got so full of misreps that no one was taking it seriously and I didn't bother trying. You literally make things up to fit your narrative.

You started mafia knowing exactly how to play? I've read some of her previous play. I know at least a little bit who I'm talking to. Give her room and space to grow and work with her. Or you can ask her if maybe you can make a deal in which you don't play together until you see growth. Either of these options are helpful and respectful of the fact that Jeanne, is, in fact, a human being just like the rest of us and deserves the same kind of respect. Attacking people personally simply hurts that person more and makes it harder for them to overcome their adversity. Please speak no more harm of her in this game. It's rather rude and hurtful and I don't expect you would enjoy hearing the same from another.

Getting defensive is not getting your hands dirty, it's trying to stay alive. It's also relatively scummy, and increasingly so when the only cases you deal with are those of others.

Anyone can point out something wrong or a possible other side of a case against a town player, since town can never know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the player they make a case against is scum. This takes no such talent, and tearing cases down, I've found, is also a tactic more commonly used by scum. A good town player criticizes constructively and builds on a case or explains why they disagree. Because every case will simply be a point of view, an addition to the picture. Tearing people down and intimidating them out of sharing their cases is scummy because it keeps town reinstating the whole picture.

So because of this, your entire post is a scum claim, in my eyes.

While Elyse is absolutely out of line, this is not a scumclaim. It's ok to say a player is sucking of difficult to read, it is not ok to attack the person.

Jeanne's weakness is in her articulation, which I am trying to get her to come out and do.

Scum attack to discredit arguments. Here, Elyse cannot discredit what does not exist so it is a null tell.

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I am at Alchemist could be scum. I am not majorly confident of him being scum. Dapper Klingon random need to die first.

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@EE, Your Garmr read is not a policy lynch btw. You want to lynch him because he disagrees with you.

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@TSO, If you were reading EE like you were reading me, what would your read be?