Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[notachipmunk]

VOTE: Rufus Delorian

Their name reminds me of Back to the Future, and I wasn't much of a fan.

[notachipmunk]

My reaction to daystart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r97u-GH6w2Y

That was mildly terrifying to watch this early in the morning, though I'm pretty sure replaying it about 10 times didn't help me much XD

[notachipmunk]

What is your favorite joke?
Jesus walks into a restaurant and says "table for 26 please."
The Maitre'd says "But there are only 13 of you."
Jesus replies "Yes, but we're all going to sit on the same side."
What is the longest amount of time you have ever stayed awake? only about 2 and a half days (on days of new WoW expansions!)
What is your worst fear? death and running out of chocolate
Icecream or Pizza? icecream (chocolate flavored!)
If you could have only one meal for the rest of your life, what would it be? some sort of sandwich. also chocolate
If you became a multi-millionaire overnight, what would you buy? a giant magical farm where chipmunks can roam free

[notachipmunk]

Well the case itself against you means omg attack Rufus, then the attacker sounds scummy too so omg attack the attacker, and suddenly everyone is guilty.

I already pointed out that kagesong's case was flawed because it relies on crap reasoning: statement sounds towny, scum want to seem towny so he's scum

But if kagesong knows that you know that their case is flawed and is therefore towny sounding so you would assume scum and then because you know that they know this, then the supposed scum can be viewed as a towny who will assume you figured that chain of town/scum trickery but is still secretly scum. or maybe town? andd now my brain hurts.

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I legit just learned that WIFOM abbreviation like a day before I even signed up for this game and was linked the video or its origination lol. But it's just so much more fun to type out the nonsense.

[notachipmunk]

Wow I missed a lot of stuff over like 2 days.
So this may just be me, but I'm not sure whether Drixx as an IC is either really really good at this game in comparison to the rest of everyone and to assume what he says is true because of it, or if he's playing a very convincing lie.
literallypam and kagesong seem to draw a bit of attention to themselves.
So far Rufus is giving me a town vibe, as he does not seem to be getting overly and unnecessarily defensive which means for now I should get rid of that random RVS vote thingy I had on him.

UNVOTE: Rufus Delorian

Gonna read through everything more thoroughly before making a new vote.

I also need to learn how to quote multiple things at once so I'm not just throwing out random bits of info without quotes in future posts.

[notachipmunk]

The only time you should assume I am telling the truth (as I understand it) is when I say something in my IC color. Anything else is me playing the game and the only way you could know my alignment is if you are scum. It therefore follows you should not treat me any differently than another player just because I'm the IC. The IC is simply a volunteer position to answer questions and try and help the game be more fun and engaging for newer players.

So even that paragraph isn't to be trusted since it's not in IC color! ahhhh but anyway I get the gist of what you're saying.

[notachipmunk]

I don't like your first post either.
I don't think it was an innocent, random vote.
I think you're trying to pass by the radar undetected. You want the arrows pointing to other people (Drixx, me), but never to you.
You never gave me reason to trust you, quite the contrary.

First of all, I'm newbie at this game (my first mafia game), so it's possible I'm saying something stupid.
It's a bit suspicious how

intense

is your rage at me, if I end up dead, things will turn ugly for you (my innocence will be proven)!
Nice of you, putting a rope in your neck, so soon in the game.
Apparently I was right about you being an unstable individual. xD

I feel like guttsa got a bit defensive and also stopped posting after their interactions with kirroha were over. I get that they're totally new (as I am too) so that may be part of it, but they also tried a little too hard to point the finger back at kirroha.

VOTE: Guttsa

As far as how I see literallypam and kagesong as they both could be scummy, the fact that they know they're acting scummy and kinda putting targets on themselves is keeping me from pushing either too strongly either way (yet), but I don't think

both

are scum, just dunno which one to be more wary of.

[notachipmunk]

@Reubus The bottom of Zaicon's post says both Hawkleader3 and guttsa are being replaced.

Which also means what I said about guttsa may or may not apply depending on the replacement.

I'm interpreting Rufus' posts as not trying too hard to fit in as town, and where he defends literallypam it seems more of an honest evaluation rather than jumping on an easy target, which in turn would knowingly make himself a target. It's kinda shady but also makes him seem less scummy.
Where it gets a little more complicated is that literallypam has Rufus as his "weak FOS." I'm not sure how that plays into things or if it does at all.

[notachipmunk]

Frog's questions:

1. What are all of your experience levels in mafia/werewolf type games?
This is my first game on any site. Technically I signed up for a marathon game on here once but it got cancelled before it started =/

2. How do you handle pressure?
I can't say how I handle it in mafia games because I have no exp. Based off of my irl pressure handling, I'm not very forward, as in I don't like to cause conflict nor involve myself in it, and if i have to or get bored enough to face pressure, results may vary!

3. I see some reads lists so far, can everyone please post your reads? (top 3 town reads, top 3 scum reads, +extras leaning slight town or scum accordingly. NO NULLS.)
With that setup of 3 and 3 there couldn't be any extras for slights really unless you want us to include our reads of the 2 people you and Panther replaced (one of which posted like hi and that was it). I will do so after I finish homework tonight though!

4. Are you analytical players or mechanical players?
Again no exp prior to this so it's hard to say, but I'm not a very analytical person in general, and I'm not sure what being a mechanical player means. Whatever can be classified as going on this feels off or this person seems ok- if that's mechanical then that!

[notachipmunk]

[quote="In post 135,

The only thing that would be nice from you is to open up your null reads. Particularly notachipmunk. I have him as a null read as well. The only prod I could see is his IMO incorrect statement of Rufus not being defensive. I've quoted the string of Rufus' posts. It's pretty much a dead-end string of questions though. Oh, I found a question for him.

@notachipmunk

I don't like your first post either.
I don't think it was an innocent, random vote.
I think you're trying to pass by the radar undetected. You want the arrows pointing to other people (Drixx, me), but never to you.
You never gave me reason to trust you, quite the contrary.

First of all, I'm newbie at this game (my first mafia game), so it's possible I'm saying something stupid.
It's a bit suspicious how

intense

is your rage at me, if I end up dead, things will turn ugly for you (my innocence will be proven)!
Nice of you, putting a rope in your neck, so soon in the game.
Apparently I was right about you being an unstable individual. xD

I feel like guttsa got a bit defensive and also stopped posting after their interactions with kirroha were over. I get that they're totally new (as I am too) so that may be part of it, but they also tried a little too hard to point the finger back at kirroha.

VOTE: Guttsa

As far as how I see literallypam and kagesong as they both could be scummy, the fact that they know they're acting scummy and kinda putting targets on themselves is keeping me from pushing either too strongly either way (yet), but I don't think

both

are scum, just dunno which one to be more wary of.

Ok, pushing the game in another direction but not really exploring your biggest scum reads.

Question : In your quote, who is "they also tried a little too hard to point the finger back at kirroha". Who is they?

This may seem silly since at that point I also wasn't posting super much compared to the rest but part of what I wanted to do with that vote was to make guttsa post more, which would also give me something to directly respond to since no one else directly did. The other part was that the posts I did see out of him/her were attacking back at the person who was voting them. You have opposite posting habits as guttsa - I believe you replaced guttsa and not hawk, right?

They = guttsa. Guttsa was the only one in the game without a gender under their avatar so idk what to call em.

Since you mentioned this too about saying Rufus was not being defensive - I read through all his posts and found his tone and reactions to be relaxed, for lack of a better word.

[notachipmunk]

^That bottom part should say "you mentioned this too about

me

saying Rufus was not being defensive", I know you think he is and my wording was not clear!

[notachipmunk]

Does anyone see what Frog is saying about kagesong being cleared from some of his posts? I want to see for myself what it is and if it changes how I view his other posts. I just can't find it.

[notachipmunk]

Kagesong is a spew clear town.

If Kage had a private mafia chat, don't you think given the frequent posting style it would be flooded with questions and random chat instead?

Instead asks questions publicly and pretty much spams the thread with fluff.

Anyway, I'm never voting Kagesong. Because obviously Kagesong was my N0 peek. Lol.

Kinda interesting, but if Kage had a mafia chat with someone like Hawk or Guttsa and they weren't very responsive he could have tried asking that and got no answers. (though you would know if one of these is true since you replaced one of them!) Anyway I don't wanna think too hard about it since I don't see him anywhere near getting lynched D1 anyway, I just don't think it *100%* clears them.

[notachipmunk]

The bottom line is once an obvious lynch appears in sight, there is no more realistic pressure on other players for reads, and there is no more content generated for the future of the game.

I think we're both now aligned in expanding our reads on other players, and asking targeted questions towards players for these purposes.

I'm mechanically pitting scum reads against each other, forcing them to comment on each other in a way that is public and must be honest.

I'm also teaching Town how to go about scum hunting instead of immediately feeding them my analysis.

To put it bluntly, you've said you wanted to do one thing at this point:

Open up the game content by searching through previous posts and asking players questions, but you have hypocritically attacked me for doing so now.

Can you understand why I'm scum reading you and asking you in this tone now?

I'm suggesting your strategy is flawed as a town, in a way that is understandable for not only you, but for other players to understand the argument against you.

To address the content of your post that wasn't a fallacy and a personal attack:
The purpose of opening up my lines of questions are multipurposed as I've already stated. I'm not sure if you've read the purpose incorrectly by mistake or on purpose.

1. To pit scum reads against each other
2. To teach town how to scum hunt

At this point in the game, I've found plenty of pings here and there. Forcing players to interact will either increase those pings or level them off. It will also allow players to start thinking about other content they have missed so far.

But MOST importantly, it will DRIVE the creation of content. I don't think we agree with this fundamentally, even though you've expressed a contradictory sentiment to finish the day off in a literallypam lynch right now.

@Frog
I tried to grab from your Drixx interactions what I found to be most relevant from your responses, there's a lot and I wish I had a tl;dr =p
So I think you are legitimately trying to get some better interactions between people. I think questioning Drixx who is very much convinced literallypam is scum is a risk you were aware could almost make you look suspicious since pam=scum is the popular vote atm. You obviously thought that through since you want people to look into your interactions.
What I do want to know is, if nothing else changes between now and end of D1, do you want literallypam to be lynched? Since right now exploring other options at worst may split the vote, and at best may pick up on other player interactions. But regardless, does he scream scum in your opinion more than anyone else right now?

Also, are you suspicious of Drixx as scum in any way for focusing and being set on his scum read, or do you just want more interactions in general, from him and everyone else?

(if any of this was answered in your other posts by all means link them, this is more than I'm used to reading at one time!)

[notachipmunk]

Newb question but- is there a benefit to waiting till end of the day to do a lynch? Like is it to get more stances on players before something happens or to create pressure at the last minute?

[notachipmunk]

Newb question but- is there a benefit to waiting till end of the day to do a lynch? Like is it to get more stances on players before something happens or to create pressure at the last minute?

It seems that it would be a poor choice to create a lynch secure before we have the opportunity to investigate others for the next day.

Alrighty, that makes sense.

[notachipmunk]

I know you said don't hammer but since it's back at 3 votes, and pam not saying anything in this thread in over 2 days...
pressure back on him
VOTE: literallypam

also I think that is long enough to request a prod on him, yes?

[notachipmunk]

So L-1 is bad? And do you think they would do that instead of trying to defend it (or answer any of the 109879087689087 questions presented to them and dodged?)

[notachipmunk]

Alright UNVOTE:
If someone else can confirm to me that what Frog is saying is good reasoning that'd be cool. Like I assume that's generally a smart idea but I wanna know for sure that this isn't a don't-vote-pam-because-he-wants-to-spare-him kinda thing.
I am assuming Froglogic > my newbie logic

[notachipmunk]

Alright UNVOTE:
If someone else can confirm to me that what Frog is saying is good reasoning that'd be cool. Like I assume that's generally a smart idea but I wanna know for sure that this isn't a don't-vote-pam-because-he-wants-to-spare-him kinda thing.
I am assuming Froglogic > my newbie logic

Use the force young padawon warrior.

Look within you must.

You will know when you are calm, at peace.

Ok, Yoda =p

[notachipmunk]

@ Rufus

I took what Frog said as semi-sarcasm about his role, because isn't sheriff = cop which is a separate thing from jailkeeper?

[notachipmunk]

Since it's back at 2 votes and I feel sad and lonely with my unvote and Rufus' theory hurts my soul, unless it's legit, then my brain hurts...

VOTE: literallypam

Is this day gonna be extended for replacement purposes on kirroha?

[notachipmunk]

I wonder if you can do a conditional vote =p VOTE: if deadline not extended and [no vote] if deadline extended

[notachipmunk]

Like..it's more likely that you're actually the JK than not. It seemed like a newb mistake.

But your resistance to lynching Pam is odd.

Agreed on all of this.

I am curious if Rufus can give some good reasoning though. I don't think that claiming jailkeeper would have been a good move to make if it was to distract from a lynch, which is why I also think he is probably JK. Bc if anyone else was JK or a role that made a JK impossible then he'd make myself a target for no reason. Or in an alternate universe, Rufus is town, but not JK, but wanted to cause some reaction out of Frog from jk sheriff post.

Also MOD PLEASE WHERE ARE YOU WE NEED YOU. <3

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myself = himself btw ^

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If Frog or Rufus is legit the JK then there are only 2 options for the other - either a 1sbp or only 1 PR and 6 vanilla. Either way one of you is lying or trying the catch the other in the lie. This is confusing to me as so far I wasn't scumreading either of you.
If Rufus is JK then either Frog is scum or Frog will have an elaborate explanation as to how him claiming was beneficial to town somehow to get more activity =p
If Frog is JK then I trusted you Rufus y u do dis???

Also Frog the wording is confusing me, sheriff jailing = jailor yes? the word sheriff in there is throwing me off.

[notachipmunk]

Well I called Literallypam completely wrong...woops.

I'd say Frog definitively claimed Jailkeeper before the night, surely that means the scum is me or him, I'd rather we lynch him first but I can definitely see people wanting me lynched...its a town win even if you do me then Frog so I'm not too bothered about order.

VOTE: FrogSC2

Lmfao. Learn what a decoy is.

And dude, if I didn't push the pam lynch, we'd be in square 1, so just no.

Can you explain why you did that JK thing Frog? I mean at first I was like yep sarcasm but after Rufus claimed and then you sorta kinda did too how does that "decoy" work - so Rufus would hopefully jail you to get 2 VTs?

[notachipmunk]

Well I called Literallypam completely wrong...woops.

I'd say Frog definitively claimed Jailkeeper before the night, surely that means the scum is me or him, I'd rather we lynch him first but I can definitely see people wanting me lynched...its a town win even if you do me then Frog so I'm not too bothered about order.

VOTE: FrogSC2

Lmfao. Learn what a decoy is.

And dude, if I didn't push the pam lynch, we'd be in square 1, so just no.

Can you explain why you did that JK thing Frog? I mean at first I was like yep sarcasm but after Rufus claimed and then you sorta kinda did too how does that "decoy" work - so Rufus would hopefully jail you to get 2 VTs?

I was hoping to be included as a potential night kill target.

I said "Sheriff Jailor" as a way to be as vague as possible, denoting a vague Town Power Role.

A friend of mine infamously claims Sheriff Jailor at the start of every game he plays.

The first part sounds legit, assuming you believed Rufus and did not want to lose a JK.
The vague thing is weird though - from what i've read vague claiming is something scum can do to cover multiple roles just in case a plan backfires and their initial claim is impossible.
But if Rufus

did

jail you like he said then that is a little less suspicious.
I do think the roleblocker idea that Rufus presented is also a valid possibility though.

[notachipmunk]

@Reubus
(I know you were talking to kage specifically here but.....)
If you try to lynch Rufus and he flips town, and JK, that may be our only power role depending on the setup. Is it worth risking? If not for his JK claim I would be a lottt more suspicious of him right now for not lynching pam.
The problem is no one else has claimed JK. That being said if he is not and someone else is, they may still be trying to prevent being a scum target and keeping quiet, as the confused JK claim D1 was a weird move.
Also, if Rufus were to go down and flip town (and even as JK), why lynch Frog? I mean I can see why you would want to lynch Frog, but I don't see how it's a definitive logical step after a Rufus lynch too since he seems to believe Rufus 100% until a counterclaim is made. Connect the dots for me pretty please!

[notachipmunk]

Something to think about.

If I were scum, I would have NEVER killed Panther. We mindmeld easily. I would have pocketed a strong voice.

This part actually makes less sense to me than the rest of what you've said =p
If the two of you mindmeld wouldn't you want him gone if you were scum because he would figure you out?
Though he did not seem suspicious of you from what he did post.

[notachipmunk]

Also, this is very awkward.

PhantomCobalt!Scum would have been forced to claim bulletproof in this scenario.

UNVOTE:

I think we need to lynch kagesong today instead, even though PhantomCobalt would have made more sense.

PC pretty much subbed in and didn't really get much of a chance to say anything and suddenly he was at L-1 and D2 has hardly started: because of this I don't think that if he were scum he would necessarily fakeclaim bulletproof. He doesn't have as much vested in the game as the rest since he kinda just showed up into a bad situation. Idk if you think he definitely would or just wanted to pressure him to get some words out. There is time yet in D2 to change things up but you switched gears rather quickly on your lynch target. Half the time I'm not sure whether you are legit trying to get people answering things or causing mass confusion -or if not mass confusion then definitely chipmunk confusion-

[notachipmunk]

nvm you went back to wanting to lynch PhantomCObalt anyway =p

[notachipmunk]

I think Frog has finally talked himself into a loop he can't escape. I am prepared to hammer him or Phantom. Preferrably Frog, kinda cus I just don't like him.

What is the loop you are referring to here? I get a bit lost trying to follow everything he posts.

[notachipmunk]

I don't like that Frog even demanded the bulletproof to claim to begin with. As much as he's coming up with some elaborate plans ultimately I feel like they're in his own self-interest to make himself look town regardless of his alignment. Of course it may all be true and maybe I'm wrong but isn't claiming BP bad as town? That's why I don't like that he pushed so much to even put it out in the open. He was hoping there wouldn't be anyone to claim it so he could be free, whether or not he was, and maybe they don't want to claim or just go with his plan. I mean at this point we're all kinda just jumping on the Frog strat because he accounts for about 1/3 of the total posts and has a lot of stuff laid out and I've been taking a lot of what he says as legit too.
I still don't like his "sheriff jailor" claim - decoy or not I feel like it helped him jump roles freely, especially since I took it as sarcasm at first and then he straight up used it as a role. His delayed pam vote also was shady. I mean if you were gonna vote in the last 2 hours, why do it like 45 min later -_-
Sorry if this is all "old" stuff from D1 but I need to think out loud and don't want to dismiss all of this and potentially get sucked into believing everything.

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I don't mean that everyone is legit like jumping on his strat, and it is being questioned but a lot of the focus is now on clearing himself, at least that is how I am seeing it

[notachipmunk]

didn't you hear Reubus? the thread was locked all night for everyone but you =p

I'm def not gonna jump to hammer Phantom 3 days into D2, I know that much.

@Phantom - what do you think of Frog's POE? I mean obv prob not in favor since you're at L-1 again lol. But anything I guess, it's hard to pick up on a lot based off of yours (and kirroha's) words so far.

[notachipmunk]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

DOWN WITH THAT OTHER GUY YEAH! errr so which guy is it

[notachipmunk]

wait wait, that's 4 votes on Phantom already? O_O

[notachipmunk]

If so that was a super short day, (and potentially a super short game lol)
here's for you Phantom =p

VOTE: That Other Guy

[notachipmunk]

^ that face is pretty much my reaction to everything right now...from that other guy to cobalt to Drixx
I can't even

[notachipmunk]

I'm gonna try to process thoughts right now, and will think it through later too. So Drixx, if you are bulletproof and Rufus is JK (which is pretty much a given atm...the if is on you) then there is a roleblocker which means kage isn't a clear and you are? Whereas otherwise kage is confirmed town right now. So you are switching yourself into that spot kinda.
It's weird that you forgot so I'm confused on whether to believe it.
I assume if there's no bulletproof which is what we all were assuming that it would be safe to claim bulletbroof nowish because no one could also claim since there would be 6 VTs. So the timing is weird. Like after all the times Frog asked for a claim and no one did, either meant someone wasn't claiming, which I thought was possible bc I wasn't sure if claiming Bulletproof was a good thing as town, or that there wasn't one, which seemed more likely. I'm gonna have to read through everything again =p

[notachipmunk]

I know it's completely crazy. I always note the game number if I get something that's not vanilla, and I wrote 1-shot BP for Newbie 1686 by mistake (that game is now over). So when the question arose during the day phase yesterday, it slipped my mind. It wasn't until I won 1686 and went to close out my notes for that game that I saw I had noted 1-shot BP there ... but I was a mafia goon in 1686 and that obviously couldn't be correct, so I went and looked and sure enough ... I'm the missing 1-shot BP.

I'm super duper embarrassed. I've never mixed up my notes or had any issue with keeping games separate. FrogSC2 is probably blowing his top in the dead thread ripping me to shreds right now.

I read through that game actually (I assume it's safe to talk about it since it's over now since you just did yes?)
It's funny bc you claimed bulletproof in that game too! I assume that was an intentional fake though?

[notachipmunk]

Just try to pass it off as a teaching thing...this is what

not

to do newbies, take note.

Claiming 1-shot would be a sneaky thing for the regular goon to do, I imagine Drixx could be very sneaky. It's the only way to derail the plan and no-one can counterclaim, either he is the 1-shot or there isn't one and he knows it. Though if he was a regular goon, I expect he would have killed me and probably not have killed his own partner on D1...and his partner wouldn't have jumped on an imaginary Drixx wagon, so I'm going to believe the claim.

That is actually what he just did in the game he was in that ended. Different situation though of course, just not quite as trusting of it as you are is all

[notachipmunk]

He killed his partner on D1? What are the odds of it happening twice in two sequential games though?

Of claiming BP as scum? Idk =p But chances of being scum 2 games in a row should be kinda random, especially if we have the same setup. The strat worked well that time, though he had his scumbuddy with him the whole time there. I guess ultimately it's just another scenario. I won't base whether I trust him or not based just off of that, just kinda strange that it happened there too is all. But who knows!

[notachipmunk]

@Rufus - I get that it doesn't mean he is straight up lying or anything, but the reasoning of it wouldn't set a good example to newbies is silly - since it means automatically the IC has to play a certain way which automatically skews the gameplay - I think it was on day 1 where I said something a little silly where responded Drixx saying 'It therefore follows you should not treat me any differently than another player just because I'm the IC." But anyway that's not super relevant to this. I just kinda don't agree entirely with your reasoning.

@Drix - It's really just the timing that's weird to me. If you claimed when Frog was all over it or pretty much anytime else I guess it wouldn't make me suspicious. It very well may all be coincidence. I'm just still thinking over it...and ofc not forgetting that there are other people to analyze too =p

[notachipmunk]

I wanna see what Reubus thinks atm, he is usually quite talkative...well not like Frogleveltalkative but still up there.

Soooo here's something: Drixx why the vote on me I am curious?

[notachipmunk]

I'm gonna try sorting out things that I can connect on town/not so town things that have happened for each remaining person from my POV. These aren't really in any order yet as much as it is my working through what I think.+ If anything seems logically off or straight up wrong by all means respond to this:

Rufus: If it wasn't legit confirmed that you are town I would have been suspicious of the pam not-vote, and general pam support, and so far incorrect reads on the 2 lynches - but it's pretty much absurd to think you're not jailor right now, so nothing much to say I guess =p

Reubus: It looks like you were technically first on the pam train so that is plus, you were very pushy D1, so probably not afraid to put attention on yourself. D2 I was initially not too concerned by your vote on Rufus bc I was not super trusting of Frog and he was the one saying Rufus is the JK- though I suppose now that we know he is town I can take some of what he said as genuine. Also I was not too sure on how claiming works so I wasn't too suspicious of you doing that, as I was ready to vote for him too that day had it not been for pretty extensive explanations on why it is highly unlikely he is not town. Voted for Phantom - ehh Phantom had it coming, that was total weaksauce on his end for town. I feel like I need to reread more =p

Drixx: My view on you after D1 was pretty positive due to the pam flip scum. Though it looks like yes Reubus was technically first lol (fight it out!) Though by that logic I was a mid-vote on pam and you were on it sooner than just about everyone else but Reubus. D2 I don't remember anything that would have swayed me either way. I think that is the day you and Frog were at odds a bit. The weirdest thing is the BP claim. I could be pushing into something that is legit, but I am not ready to just let it go as it opens up how I can reread your posts from another POV and see if it makes sense as you being scummy. That requires believing that you would vote for your scum partner on D1 and probably having a lottt planned out for it to work and I still need to look through it. Anyway, the one other thing that could even be considered weird is hammering Phantom super early on D2. Honestly I would have probably voted him in one of the following days if nothing changed but not that early. Also Frog said he would have a FOS on anyone who hammered if PC wasn't the last wolf. And Frog isn't here to question you on it so that's a thing. But PC was scummy so it can be argued to be a worthwhile risk.

Kage: D1 I got a bad vibe off your posts mostly the focus on nightkills and discussion of scum strategy. The late pam vote didn't count and may have been an attempt to try to redeem yourself after it had happened - or possibly happened since the Frog vote would be the determining factor. D2 the logic was a bit odd. I was a little bit ok with the Frog isn't auto-town thing, but I also thought that maybe it was due to not claiming as I thought claiming wasn't always a good idea, but I suppose I was wrong on that. But Frog not being town and also not being a roleblocker required Rufus to either not be JK or lying about who he jailed - which would be a very anti-town thing to do if he was town, which at that point seemed like the only possibility due to lack of counterclaim on JK (since a counterclaim would mean a town win - one of them would HAVE to be scum and it would very untown to not claim JK there). On the plus side you are very much unafraid to put out opposing thoughts.

Like I said, anything that is off let me know what and why. This is pretty much just my thought process atm and not a super in-depth analysis.

[notachipmunk]

Kage: D1 I got a bad vibe off your posts mostly the focus on nightkills and discussion of scum strategy. The late pam vote didn't count and may have been an attempt to try to redeem yourself after it had happened - or possibly happened since the Frog vote would be the determining factor. D2 the logic was a bit odd. I was a little bit ok with the Frog isn't auto-town thing, but I also thought that maybe it was due to not claiming as I thought claiming wasn't always a good idea, but I suppose I was wrong on that. But Frog not being town and also not being a roleblocker required Rufus to either not be JK or lying about who he jailed - which would be a very anti-town thing to do if he was town, which at that point seemed like the only possibility due to lack of counterclaim on JK (since a counterclaim would mean a town win - one of them would HAVE to be scum and it would very untown to not claim JK there). On the plus side you are very much unafraid to put out opposing thoughts.

Like I said, anything that is off let me know what and why. This is pretty much just my thought process atm and not a super in-depth analysis.

For anyone that uses my late vote as lynch evidence, it's ok, I'll feel better once you realize my stuff was really stolen. So, I forgive you.

It's impossible to tell what is true and what is not for things like this, so sorry if that did happen to you. =(
It's unfortunate timing, though up till then your votes were for Rufus, and then Rufus again. (not including the RVS vote on kirroha)

[notachipmunk]

@Drixx - yeah if you can do a spoiler wall thing at some point that would be cool, since I'm not sure what you mean

@Kage - The only way I can think to confirm Drixx is BP is to lynch him pretty much, and that would be bad idea if it turned out he wasn't lying because then it's a wasted lynch. If he is lying, then great, he is scum. I don't think there is a way to confirm it at this point, which is also why it would be pretty safe to fakeclaim it.

[notachipmunk]

Neither of us is voting for you right now or straight up saying YOU ARE SCUM. I think it is just silly to completely disregard it.

I get that with the 2 points you mentioned it is less likely, but that doesn't make it impossible - the only 100% logical clear is Rufus.
Are you saying that that combination of things

never

happens and that scum

always

follow a series of planned steps that make sense to everyone else?
If so, then kage makes logical sense to me. But I am not a fan of jumping to conclusions that quickly.

[notachipmunk]

Here's another sort though everyone kind of post with what each person would have to think through each day as scum- which obv are not all accurate since not all 4 of you are scum.

Rufus: Would have had to use crazy mind control on the real jailkeeper to convince them that they are not the JK so escape freely to victory as conftown. In other words, impossible.

Drixx: D1 would have had to have told pam he was gonna play very risky with some kind of plan in mind, like let's target each other, and then pam either messed it up and Drixx thinks he will be conftown for a solid read very early on and can win even by lynching his partner D1. N1 idk why he would NK Panther. D2 hammered PC, would have seen Frog say he'd have a FOS on anyone who hammered so he NK'ed Frog to avoid. With Frog gone easier to claim BP since the main person who would likely question it is gone. Also would have had to concoct odd reason for claim, and not the same reason used in last game he fakeclaimed it in in case anyone checked.

Reubus: D1 would have gone for early pam vote as something to fall back on if a lynch on pam would happen at any point. Would have had to push for a heavy back and forth interaction as well to separate themselves as partners. Would have to be prepared for a lynch and hope for conftown status due to heavy interactions. N1 also idk why he would NK Panther. D2 try to get Rufus lynched initially until it would seem scummy to keep pushing due to lack of counterclaim. Vote for PC but sure to not be 1st on the vote or the hammer. N2 kill Frog bc he put him in his POE.

kage: D1 mention pam as a suspect to not be attached to pam but never actually vote for. (then the grey area of the late vote for possibly legit reason is whatevs). N1 i don't know why anyone would NK Panther as it turns out, as his only real connection was to Frog. D2 try to get off of Frog's POE and target him by trying to convince others he is not conftown. N2 kill Frog bc Frog wants him lynched, and as someone said, WIFOM NK. This scenario assumes Drixx is BP as otherwise kage doesn't get conftown like they otherwise would.

So if scum would like to come out and tell me if they actually planned it out differently that'd be cool =p

[notachipmunk]

I wasn't entirely sure if i remembered what Occam's Razor was so I looked it up and found 1 definitions:

1-Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.
2-A fancy term scum use to not get lynched =P

Well see I only made one assumption on the Rufus case which is mind control so he is totally scum omg I knew it!!!!

[notachipmunk]

^that should say *2 definitions

[notachipmunk]

Before anyone somehow misses the sarcasm there, yes that was sarcastic, and no I do not think Rufus is scum.

[notachipmunk]

Welp, yup, I, as a complete newbie, was using REALLY complex strategy to hide my tail, including PLANNING on a late vote. I tell you what yer real good thur chipmunk critter. GG ya caught me.

Hence why it's in parentheses. The important part was that you didn't vote on it sooner when there were 2 weeks, mentioned pam as a suspect but not act on it. I can kinda get on board with not rushing on a vote for the kill, but the fact that he flipped scum leads to other questions. So yeah the late vote very well

could

have been intentional. As a newbie you could feign that you didn't realize it was the 6th vote when even telling the mod please count this wouldn't matter as the kill didn't need the 6th vote... Even so, not counting it just leaves you neutral on D1, whereas Drixx and Reubus have it as a positive on their list.
If one were to choose to follow the Drixx logic of Occum's Razor, less complex would actually not work in your favor though =p

[notachipmunk]

Damn it's so dead here without Frog, with him everytime I logged on he'd have like 10 new posts.

[notachipmunk]

@Drixx question! At what point did you forget that you were BP? I just remembered looking back at page 1 that in the role pms it asked us to reply back confirming our roles, which I imagine is helpful for remembering roles? Anyway, was it right at the start of the game you forgot due to writing it down in the wrong place or did you remember at any point during D1 too?

[notachipmunk]

I don't really know what to say about the self-voting =/

[notachipmunk]

Is self-voting like this something people do a lot in games?

[notachipmunk]

before anything happens of the hammering sort...

mod can we get a prod on Reubus?

[notachipmunk]

Kinda waiting on the where-did-Reubus-go thing, presumably unwise to make final decisions on anything until either he comes back (or gets replaced ) COME BACK REUBUS!!!

[notachipmunk]

I don't like when people get replaced ~ I had some issues translating guttsa into Frog when that happened. It's like they were 2 different players and the connections between what they said was practically nonexistent. Sooo I don't really know what to do yet!

[notachipmunk]

fastest 2 and half minutes of reading ever 0____0

[notachipmunk]

fastest 2 and half minutes of reading ever 0____0

Bro. There was one page

I thought you meant reading through like everything, not just the stuff from today

[notachipmunk]

fastest 2 and half minutes of reading ever 0____0

Bro. There was one page

I thought you meant reading through like everything, not just the stuff from today

Nah, it was either hammer or don't. Tomorrow it'll either be you or me chipmunk. Unless of course Drixx has pulled the greatest play ever.

If we are lucky kage's REUBUS IS SCUM post-vote posts are for the lulz and the game is already over with the kage hammer =p

[notachipmunk]

If kage is actually VT, should we have a jail target again in case there is another day?

[notachipmunk]

Do you want us to only evaluate the other and ourselves, and leave you out of these evaluations? Like are you assuming we both are like Drixx is totes town yeahhh or is this for your own use (or misuse =P)

[notachipmunk]

Ummm... I'm the 1-shot BP. There's overwhelming logical reason to believe my claim and similarly overwhelming reasons why you shouldn't believe I'm scum.

So yeah, I left myself out of it because I don't want to deal with the WiFoM of reading you guys do the obvious analysis of me, which is really just a WiFoM loop without an exit. Occam's razor should help: In order to posit me as scum, you must assume that I went after my partner on day one and refused to budge or go to a different lynch, despite the numerous opportunities given to do so without attracting suspicion. If and only if you find that probable should you even bother considering me as I've claimed BP.

And yes, your analysis of one another is very much for me. As I said before: whichever of you is town will do an honest evaluation of the other. Whichever of you is scum knows for sure that the other two of us are town and your evaluation has to be made up to try and implicate someone besides yourself. Unless whichever of you is scum is really really good, you'll have a hard time putting something out that looks perfectly townie, and I'll catch it.

Clock's ticking, btw. You could have already done as I asked. Of course ... Reubus hasn't even bothered to show up for quite some time so...

I could have done what you've asked yes, but you asked me to do something that I can't entirely do, because I don't currently assume Reubus is scum. If I were to do this properly I would evaluate both of you, and after I have come to a conclusion, then I can pinpoint which one of you that I think should be lynched. So I can tell you why I am town, and I can look through both of your posts, but it doesn't make sense to me to only do Reubus. I've read through a bunch of completed newbie games- I don't know if I should state the specific one or players in it- but there was one where scum won after he fakeclaimed BP at the end, and the player played as "obvtown" D1 according to other players, and won. So sorry if it goes against Occam's Razor, but a good player can slip through apparently. And clock's ticking? we have 2 weeks don't we??

[notachipmunk]

So here Drixx, why I am town - first off whichever of you is scum did a good job of getting this endgame, as both of you have earlier pam votes to fall back on as to why you can target me as scum. As in, I'm surprised both of you are still here when either one of you should have been nightkilled. So yeah this remaining 3 player setup makes me look bad, something highly NOT in my favor to happen. Also, one of you nightkilled Frog, as in the only person who read me properly as town. And D1 I was not the first on pam, but I can honestly say I did not know what I was looking for to identify scum - this is my first game anywhere - so after it was explained pam did seem likely to me, and also kage. But, as kage wasn't being voted for and getting a lynch out is important, I went with pam. And put him at L-1. I unvoted because of what Frog said - AND I ASKED FOR A SECOND OPINION ON WHAT HE SAID ABOUT L-1 - NO ONE gave me one, so I unvoted, and revoted when that was no longer an issue. I did not prematurely end D2 with a vote on someone who didn't give enough info to warrant that lynch either. You spend 2 weeks on D1 and then what, 2 sentences out of a player who jumped in gets the hammer? What I saw out of D1 was that interactions and seeing how someone will respond under pressure gives a lot of info, and a lot of info was not what we had D2.
I can go through some sort of evaluation of both of you if you want. But as I do not have certainty on Reubus scum, like I said in my past post, I can't just do that without doing both.

[notachipmunk]

Drixx - I have a question for you - You are using your BP claim as fact. What if Reubus claimed BP instead? What if I did? Would you believe either of us?

[notachipmunk]

Obviously answer that from the POV of someone who is not themselves the BP. So either as you are now, or if you are BP imagine you are not.

[notachipmunk]

I meant to put yourself in our shoes, like if you hadn't claimed, if someone else had instead, from a VT POV.
As for my post, up until D3 I would have thought of neither of you as the most likely scum, so it's not like I've had weeks worth of suspicion. From my posts that looked through what the remaining 3 of you (when kage was in the picture) had as motivation, kage was more suspicious than either of you. And I never meant that I couldn't believe Reubus was scum, I meant that I haven't decided one way or another, just as you seem to not have before asking both of us for some info. However YES I am more suspicious of you than him, and that is not what you asked for. You wanted a why Reubus is scum post, when my options are to post why Drixx is leaning more scum to me than Reubus is, or here's some pros and cons of each of you and now let me look at it. So if you would like that, then that I shall do.

[notachipmunk]

Wow, no new posts since yesterday 0__0 I'll throw out my thoughts after I finish some homework, which hopefully shall be soon.

[notachipmunk]

Drixx never indicated what option he wanted from me soo here is what I have to say:

I don't care if it makes me look scummy, i'm getting tired of answering the question and Drixx being like, "LOL QUOTE THE POST."

You said that you saw people who wanted to vote for me but were scared. I've asked you which people... you gave no names. I asked you what they said that made you think they were scared, and you responded with some tripe about voting 3rd against someone.

Basically you just made up a reason to vote, and I've asked you questions to see if you could actually legit show evidence that you had reason to believe other people wanted to vote me but were scared to. You have been unable to produce any evidence and dodged every question, and now you're making a straw man argument.

You're caught scum. People pay attention on this site. You can't just make something up that you have no way to support and hope nobody will question it. Consider this a friendly suggestion to up your game. But not too friendly, because you're scum and we have to lynch you. But you should definitely keep playing here. You also slipped a bit talking about VCA concepts and refusing to talk about your experience, but you probably realized why I asked I'm guessing.

Anyway, that was easy.

VOTE: Literallypam

If I am going on you vs Reubus on D1, you being just so certain on pam being scum as if great day is over is less believable than Reubus' questioning of pam.

The deadline is the deadline and FroGSC2 caused a no lynch, and I believe it's intentional. I believe he's scum and have strong reasons for that belief. He called out what I have reason to believe was a VT attempting to draw fire by claiming. If I'm dead in the morning you will see my role and it will make sense. If I'm know, I'll say more.

You said recently that you remember thinking about crumbing your BP role sometime D1. This is still D1, and you implied that you could be dead in the morning - not possible as BP. So either you at this point didn't remember (which you will I am sure claim) or you never were BP.

I'm tempted to lynch Frog today, just for suggesting that any sane mafia player would kill their only partner and for themselves into having to night kill 3 times and mislynch 3 times to win, all alone, and without getting caught.

To call that "distancing" might be the most absurd thing I've ever read in my life.

Suddenly distancing is very plausible.

I don't think Reubus gets credit for putting the first vote on Pam in RVS. Scum often vote their partner in RVS. Once the wagon was up, he may have never seen a good chance to get off.

Don't you think pam's post and Reubus' vote on pam because of it brought it out of RVS? Trying to get town cred and dismissing Reubus' vote when you voted not too long after. Scum is the only one needs to dig for towncred for not getting lynched.

I have a huge apology to make to my fellow town. I am 1-shot bulletproof. I simply forgot. It has never happened before in a game. It makes a huge change in how to evaluate things; however, it gives us two conftown.

There's an upside though. The roleblocker knew there was a 1-shot BP and left Rufus alive. Our lynch pool is {Kagesong, notachipmunk, Reubus}. We'll get to lynch two of them... so let's work the problem.

Rufus: I'd like your thoughts on each of those three.

Refer to any of my previous posts regarding my distrust of this.

You all realize I could have just "confessed" I was the 1-shot and said I hoped that I would draw night fire since the scum must know I exist, instead of telling you the truth that I mixed up games and literally didn't realize until Phantom was lynched and the thread was locked, right? If I were scum and this was a fake claim, it would not be "Oops I forgot" but "Damn ... I wish I had successfully drawn fire" and it probably wouldn't have happened today right at the day start.

Look at day one and tell me why I would have been the architect of my partner's demise when given every opportunity to go get a mislynch somewhere instead, if I were scum.

This isn't even difficult at all. I would have to be holding the most gigantic idiot ball ever made to be scum and have acted as I have.

VOTE: notachipmunk

voting me right after denying credibility of your BP claim. thought no one would question it?

Could you tell me why you're convinced its more likely chipmunk than kage?

I compared the lynch pool in ISO together. The confirmed are me and Rufus. That leaves You, Kage and Notachipmunk. Out of the three of you, notachipmunk's ISO looks more like a fabrication to me, while you are low on content but it seems to be legitimately involved with the game, and I can't find anything that smells wrong about Kage. I can do a spoiler wall on each of you tomorrow if you like. I need to finish some writing that is overdue and get it submitted. It's the only reason I'm up so late.

Thanks for thinking through things. I totally get the shock that I would so royally screw up. I really wish I hadn't. We could have put together a much better plan had town known what scum knew.

I still think we have this. We know it wasn't the replacements paired with pam, because they've been killed. Evaluating what they said and who they threatened or cleared will be helpful. Frog and I had a bit of a difference of opinion obviously and there was some friction. I'm wondering if those two (who are obviously friends prior to here) were killed to put me in a frame?

Anyway ... we need significant content from You, Kage and Chipmunk today so that Rufus and I can read you now and read you earlier and see if we can finish the game today.

I would have liked to see that spoiler wall from D3, as now you want a lot from the remaining of us.
How does killing 2 friends put you in a frame? The kill on Frog obviously makes sense for you to do, but Panther at that time a frame how?

Seriously? You guys can clear me using logic alone.

1.) If I were scum, I would not have claimed BP without any pressure on me, nor would it have been claimed anywhere near the way I did. People actually outright said in BOLD for the BP not to claim and hope to draw night fire. I could have said "I hoped the scum would shoot me, but they didn't and I feel like it's time to claim so the town knows nobody is clear" or some blather like that. Instead I told you guys the honest truth of what happened. It's embarrassing and it doesn't do anything at all to help a scum agenda; it in fact brings negative attention to me. It makes no logical sense to take this approach when a much nicer and elegant story was available to me... unless it's the truth. It's the truth.

2.) If I were scum, that would mean that I went after my partner on day one relentlessly, even when I was urged to look elsewhere and even when FrogSC2 was slinging insults at me because I stuck to my guns and said "I find one scum, and I make sure it dies; THEN I worry about the partner." (paraphrased obviously). I not only had the opportunity to go to a wagon on someone else, I was being actively insulted that I wasn't doing so. Please explain to me what rational motive could possibly lead me to do that on day one, if I were scum.

When you take just those two points together, it becomes obvious that I'm not scum. The two of you avoiding looking at context makes it seem likely that one of you is scum and the other is erm ... bad at logic.

Why would you as scum only claim is pressure is on you? Frog said at some point on D2 only scum would claim BP at some point to save themselves if they're getting lynched~ That would be an obvious scumtell. IT IS SAFER to claim without pressure, which is what you did.

@Drixx question! At what point did you forget that you were BP? I just remembered looking back at page 1 that in the role pms it asked us to reply back confirming our roles, which I imagine is helpful for remembering roles? Anyway, was it right at the start of the game you forgot due to writing it down in the wrong place or did you remember at any point during D1 too?

I recall thinking about crumbing it on day one. I don't really recall precisely when I forgot this was the game I was 1-shot BP in. I've got a folder on my desktop called "mafiastuff" and inside of there I have a folder for each game I am designing, a folder for games I've modded (off site plus one on site so far) which are complete, a folder for images I use in general, and in the main folder "mafiastuff" I have txt files which are named after the game. I simply noted 1-shot BP in the wrong notepad txt file, and then I just lost track.

Most of what I was involved in that had me a little too spread thin has completed, but in the interests of erring on the side of caution, I will simply say that you can look at my posts and see for yourself how many games I was in. On top of that I'm working on something that I can't talk about, for the site, and I lost a bunch of it when I finally let windows do the free upgrade to windows 10.

As I said at the start of today: I'm super embarrassed with myself. If we lose this game, I will blame myself 100%. It would have been far superior for the town to know yesterday what the remaining scum already knew, and I simply forgot. Having played mafia on forums for roughly a decade, and as a live game going back into my early teenage years, I have a lot of experience, and I am almost always in at least one newbie game as IC ... but that experience doesn't make me infallible. As much as I like to project confidence and be a good example ... I obviously dropped the ball big time on this one.

What really bothers me about it is that if Newbie 1686 had gone on for another day, I may not have realized and we would now be operating upon the false premise that Rufus could clear people while scum would know that to be untrue. Even worse, if today had gone fast it's possible I could have been shot and the no death could have implicated someone innocent as scum. It could have been much worse, which is what really concerns me. Whatever criticism you have of me making this mistake, believe me I am giving myself a flogging 1000x worse about it.

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Digging back into D2 but that I didn't add to this quote wall, this is what Frog said:
"Bear in mind, if Phantom is NOT the last wolf, I will HEAVILY FOS (Finger of Suspicion) anyone who hammers."
You hammered quickly. That night Frog is killed. Threat eliminated.

[notachipmunk]

Voting early in LYLO and you didn't provide any useful reasons for reads today, just asked for it from us. If I am right about you then you can pretty freely be the first vote on either of us knowing neither of us would jump to hammer as town. This is also the 2nd time you've voted for me after I had any suspicion on you, without any evidence, quotes, or non-vague reasoning for it.

[notachipmunk]

Then show me what I missed or what is "wrong" about any specific parts of what I have said. I'm not quoting and reacting to all 70 posts, as I don't think anyone would. You essentially asked me why Reubus was scum, I said I could give a pro and con list for each of you, as there is one for pretty much everyone who has been in this game. But you are more likely scum to me, and so those are reasons why I believe you are more likely scum than Reubus. I could go through a list of why you look town as well, but I could do the same for Reubus, so I don't know what you are looking for here.

[notachipmunk]

If you really believe I'm scum, please explain:

1.) Why I would bus my partner on day one, and display absolute certainty I was right, when absolute certainty is something scum rarely if ever display. Scum frequently get caught because they hedge during twilight and appear to know a town flip is coming. Anything that displays firm knowledge of someone's alignment from scum is a fast route to a loss.

(what exactly does hedging mean?)

This is the part where I am least certain on either of you and because of this bussing neither of you was on my suspect list until D3. So I will say that it is unlikely that you would vote for pam the way you did, and it is also unlikely that Reubus did. So I'm left with only improbable scenarios for this. I will go back to what I said in my what would have had to have happened for each of you post, and this is what I believe you would have done:
"D1 would have had to have told pam he was gonna play very risky with some kind of plan in mind, like let's target each other, and then pam either messed it up and Drixx thinks he will be conftown for a solid read very early on and can win even by lynching his partner D1."
I think if you are scum then you planned it. I don't know if it was a plan until after Reubus voted or what, but there were 3 days in between Reubus latching onto something pam said and voting, and you going for your super confident vote. That is enough time to work a plan out.

2.) Why would I still keep busing my partner after FrogSC2 and his friend showed up and turned the game on its head, giving me like a dozen easy opportunities to go after someone else?

You may not have needed to. Rufus jumped off, Panther at some point jumped off, Frog was holding off - a lot of people got switchy on their votes near the end. You may not have thought you needed to do anything for town to self-destruct, pretty much, especially after being so adamant about pam earlier would be drawing attention to yourself, which I think is viable as a plan given the other option of Reubus doing it. I again do find a lot of D1 improbable, but it's become possible, so sorry if I'm wrong, but I don't see a more likely way than this.



3.) Why would I claim BP under no pressure at all and not even being really scum read at all? Why would I also point out the game that I accidentally marked as me being 1-shot BP, which had ended during the night phase of this game, in which I was scum and fake claimed BP? (You should read the scum PT for that game; my scum partner was actually going to fake claim it but had made too many posts to do it without drawing a ton of suspicion).

The timing is what gets to me about it. It was right after a Frog kill happened, the guy who was pushing hard for a BP claim throughout the previous day. At that point who we had left were 3 newbies, you, and an SE. The main threat to a claim like that would be Frog I would think. Whether or not being an IC means you are strong player, it means a lot more experience than the 3 of us who are totally new (I think none of which had experience on other sites either?), so I think you may have considered it a safe time to do it. I'm not much of a "loud" player, kage's logic was a bit....off, and Rufus I don't really know, but none of us three hold the power that Frog seemed to hold over the game or the ability to convince others. If you intended to get rid of me or kage D3, which I assume was your plan, I also figure you would think it easy to get rid of the other one of us D4, knowing we were both VTs.
Your reason was weird, but if you were to use the same reason as you did in your last game that seems to have had the same setup then gg, no one believes you and it's over.

3a.) For the record; the optimal play for a goon who is alone with a jailkeeper is to withhold the kill in order to frame someone. It's better for the scum to have the town complacent than at high alert.

Always better though? It also appears, even from your last game as scum, that being a goon who knows there is a jailkeeper makes claiming BP a safe move, as no one can counterclaim you as there is no other town PR.
Can you explain this optimal play to me and how that would play out & which kill are you talking about here?

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oops left my answers in the quote thing

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It's getting close to 1am here so I'll check back in the morning or whenever I wake up.

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As far as day one goes, you have observed something crucial but you're missing what it could mean.

What do you think scum partners do early in the game? Do they vote for each other or avoid voting for each other? Which is more likely to help them later in the game?

I assume what you are saying here is scum partners want to vote for each other early in the game rather than avoid. So you want me to look at Reubus' vote being earlier than yours in this context or I am totally off?

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I still don't understand how making a why someone is more likely than the other to be scum post to be skewed when that is what you wanted!

"I would like each of you to tell me why you are town and why the other is scum"

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Post #743 was what I see as I guess more of why I'm not scummy, as to why I'm town. I don't have posts that are straight up like give me town cred. I've been playing this game early on more unsure of what is scummy and what is not as, and been trying to understand the game better by reading through old games. You can probably read my lack of vocalness as not super town as some other loud players have been, but that is how I am until I adjust to a new thing, and until I feel like I have a clue of what to look for, and I think I know that better now than I did a few weeks ago. I don't know how to read myself other than why aren't I town - how do I objectively view myself like that? The person who most read me as town was Frog. I'd say read back through his posts if you want a town view on a townie.
I would actually like to see what you think of Reubus' play so far, day by day, and mine as well, since once I focused on your BP claim, you seem focused on me doing that as a scummy thing, and nothing else.

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Anddd Drixx is gonna log on and be able to hammer for gg. ugh why Reubus whyyyyy? Unless you're scum then still ugh but at least the game won't be over yet.

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I'm here too, gg you 2, hawkleader was right all along haha.

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I would have done the same thing if I went along with you and said why Reubus is scum, would have left out the other scenario. I didn't really think that through I suppose. That's legit just how I saw what you were asking

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yeah, once the mafia PT is released you'll see what I was thinking since I was talking to myself for like 3 pages lol. I thought Frog was the BP, I was very certain of it actually. You claiming that late messed my plan up a bit, I didn't mean to NK Frog - I thought it would result in a no kill.

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I'm so happy Panther and kage said stuff in the dead thread. I figured it would be full on Frog or totally empty, and I like reading through the stuff on those so woot!
Although I definitely should not have NK'ed Panther, I mean it was a terrible move anyway but after reading that thread I see I really should have kept him =p
Also glad to see I'm not the only one talking to myself in an empty thread for weeks *cough* Panther *cough*

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^This chipmunk is vicious and helps lynch her scumbuddy day 1, I wouldn't wanna be my own partner lol

FROGGG!!! what did you mean by this post if you happen to remember? As in, what did you want me to figure out, something about a BP claim thingy?(post 551 for reference)

"I'll ask that after you walk through everything completely, do not post it yet.
You are not a prime night kill target in the event that the game continues.
Keep your findings ready for copy paste if necessary tomorrow.
Please understand why I'm asking you to keep this to yourself instead of posting it."

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Actually I just reread it, did you mean that a goon would claim BP, whereas a roleblocker wouldn't because they know someone could counterclaim? Idk why that little paragraph had me so confused, I think it's bc I thought you were BP Frog

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Yes please Drixx, assuming there is more than the how I could have convinced you better D4 =p

In unrelated news, I would have loved to see what would have happened in this game if pam didn't vanish and went for his cop claim strategy. I imagine Rufus would have called him out since he did the same to Frog, and he may have been lynched anyway.
And also if I wasn't thinking badly and NK'ed either Reubus or Drixx N1 instead (which would have been a NK-less night w/ Drixx and a totallllly different game)

I also didn't realize how stressful this game is. I wonder if it is less stressful as town.
Also found it amusing how Reubus went from confident and loud most of the game and got all confused and quiet on D4. Endgame might be more stressful for town maybe?

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Also....

WHO IS THAT OTHER GUY??