Newbie 1687 (Game Over)

[kagesong]

Ummm...........not super forum smart here, sorry..... How does one get the white background for a vote????

[kagesong]

(vote) Kirroha (/vote)

Was gonna vote Reubus for too much swag, but can't vote the first person to help me. So, blue hair wins the day congrats.

[kagesong]

Apparently I still did it wrong. >.> Alas, I SWEAR I followed directions, for once.

[kagesong]

ah, used parentheses lol. thx swagrid
VOTE: Kirroha
cus the hair of course.

[kagesong]

lolz

[kagesong]

Did anyone see "literallypam" and read "literallyspam" ????

[kagesong]

Who is even awake?
+8 Timezone here

me +6 i think. central.

[kagesong]

Bit of a slow start here. Someone got an RQS quiz handy?

What be is RQS. Also, I heard that Mafia was played in a few days. But the format here seems it will take a couple months. So confused.

[kagesong]

Quiz time
What is your favorite joke? my face
What is the longest amount of time you have ever stayed awake? ........9 days and no drugs (caffeine??) involved
What is your worst fear? losing my freedom
Icecream or Pizza? pizza
If you could have only one meal for the rest of your life, what would it be? sushi buffet
If you became a multi-millionaire overnight, what would you buy? my freedom, (like real personal freedom)

Ill answer these later. Enjoy these

[kagesong]

I didn't think about the quoting on that. oops

[kagesong]

wow

[kagesong]

All these words. The heck is a bandwagon. I just voted against blue hair??

BTW Rufus, doesn't your comment imply that the IC would have to be townie??

The only way you could know that, is if your SCUM. Hence, attempting to say that you feel protected by the IC helping you find scum, in a gamble to prove that you indeed are not scum.

Vote change - VOTE: Rufus Delorian

[kagesong]

Forgive typos please, I have artritis. I know that the proper word is "you're scum" but, when in pain, I type faster than I think about grammar.

[kagesong]

Man, psychological warfare is FUN. I mean, it's great that people don't realize that they give out hints to their alignment even during the BS stage of the game. I think I have a good idea who scum is .

[kagesong]

Man, psychological warfare is FUN. I mean, it's great that people don't realize that they give out hints to their alignment even during the BS stage of the game. I think I have a good idea who scum is .

Wanna share with the class?

Rufus and Pam are on my list of good suspects. Then again, I would possibly make my own list of good suspects.

[kagesong]

I figured anyway, but can you explain what exactly makes you think that?

It's fairly simple plychology. Your assumed carelessness as to who gets lynched gives you a more innocent air. A ploy to make others believe you would not care if you were voted for. Thus attempted to relieve any suspicion. As for the other, his desire to protect another player in round one. It could suggest that he's doing so to appear as a good guy. Of course, though, as I said, my very analysis of this and the ensuing statement, could even mark me as scum.

[kagesong]

But, Rufus, one might say that the very reason you're being a "good guy" is to make us believe you are something you are not. And it does seem you try awful hard.

[kagesong]

First of all, I'm newbie at this game (my first mafia game), so it's possible I'm saying something stupid.
It's a bit suspicious how

intense

is your rage at me, if I end up dead, things will turn ugly for you (my innocence will be proven)!
Nice of you, putting a rope in your neck, so soon in the game.
Apparently I was right about you being an unstable individual. xD

Truth be told, the Scum's best strategy now would be to kill you tonight. That would, by your own statement make Kirroha seem guilty, regardless of her guilt. Actually I would be more suspicious of Kirroha if you remain alive.

[kagesong]

I was waiting to see if anyone else would give opinions on the Literallypam accusation...I'm not as convinced as you & Drixx seem to be.

This might get some discussion going:

My susipicions of Kagesong have increased, in 99:

Truth be told, the Scum's best strategy now would be to kill you tonight. That would, by your own statement make Kirroha seem guilty, regardless of her guilt. Actually I would be more suspicious of Kirroha if you remain alive.

Sounds to me like he's planning to kill someone other than guttsa tonight, maybe to make Kirroha look guilty. Then he link back to that post and say "Oh, the scum didn't do what was obviously the best strategy, I can't be scum because I would have, let's lynch Kirroha!" Or he'll kill Kirroha and try to get a lynch on Guttsa.

VOTE: Kagesong

Well, sadly, I can't argue with your logic. Sadly for the town you are wrong. However, you would want to try to make a case against the fella who fingers you as scum. You know, so I can't prove it further later on. But your case is intriguing. In fact, can I vote for myself? Because I will, if the town thinks your case is good, I'll lead the charge.

[kagesong]

Also, kagesong, that quote above makes me feel as if you're absolutely sure that guttsa is definitely town. Why is that?

I'm not certain about anything . I just happen to think I know who the scums is.

[kagesong]

You seem awfully confident about reads you claimed to have made after, what? 2 pages?

I'm assuming you still suspect me and literallypam...or should that be literallypam and I?

Actually, at the end of a sentence, it would be Literallypam and me.

[kagesong]

My secondary FOS is Rufus, because I think I do look extremely scummy right now, he seems to be playing the middle ground.

She says because scum would NEVER accuse other scum for the purpose of diverting attention from both people.

[kagesong]

The activity in this game is a joke

I agree. It seems like people are just confused, and I'm not really learning anything from it all.

[kagesong]

ok, i need to know what ISO means. also, i am amused that I am being teamed with either Reubus or Drixx as scum, as they are my more confident town reads.

[kagesong]

Reubus
Well, read his on me, we seem to be thinking the same. I think if we're using the same logic, I can be comfortable that we're on the same side.

Chipmunk
Not suspicious other than trying to tag me.

Drixx
Not sure

Literallpam
seems pretty scummy as i've said. trying too hard to prove not scum

Rufus
Same as Literallypam

Kirroha
because of the detective work either town or REALLY good scum. probably town

[kagesong]

ok, i need to know what ISO means. also, i am amused that I am being teamed with either Reubus or

Drixx

as scum, as they are

my more confident town reads.

Emphasis added because of next quote.

If you look next to the post number of someone's post, there's a link in parenthesis that looks like this: (ISO). Clicking that link will let you view all the posts by a player. You can also use the menu at the bottom of the page to add up to three players to read isolated, which can be very helpful if you need to see interactions in context.

Reubus
Well, read his on me, we seem to be thinking the same. I think if we're using the same logic, I can be comfortable that we're on the same side.

Chipmunk
Not suspicious other than trying to tag me.

Drixx
Not sure

Literallpam
seems pretty scummy as i've said. trying too hard to prove not scum

Rufus
Same as Literallypam

Kirroha
because of the detective work either town or REALLY good scum. probably town

There's definitely something inconsistent in your thinking if you can make those two posts (I emphasized the part that changed for no apparent reason in the space of 4 minutes) so closely together. What's up with that?

Fair statement, let me qualify please. Drixx has done nothing at all which seems scummy, which obviously sends toward town. Every one else, myself included, has come off at some point as scummy. Therefore, while I have no evidence either way, Drixx automatically becomes a confident town read to me, because there is NOTHING for me to base a scum read off of.

[kagesong]

I wanna see literallypam flip tonight if I'm completely honest. It'll answer a few questions about who is sided with who ect. we all agree that pam out of all is most likely scum?? We have under 5 days to decide who we're gonna lynch, so lets weigh up our options and share what reads we have. Obviously we are gonna come up with a few null reads but that's better than nothing. Oh the drawbacks of a slow moving game such as this and 2 non noncontributing people being replaced this late in day 1.

It wouldn't be my preference, but if nothing changes then I can probably change my vote and settle for a literallypam lynch...can you lay out the case against them as you see it?

I could change my vote from Rufus, with a competent reason. Though I do believe they are both scum .

[kagesong]

Hi all! I'm officially replaced in for Guttsa! I'll catch up tonight.

A few initial thoughts/questions:
1. What are all of your experience levels in mafia/werewolf type games?Super Newbie
2. How do you handle pressure?WIFOM
3. I see some reads lists so far, can everyone please post your reads? (top 3 town reads, top 3 scum reads, +extras leaning slight town or scum accordingly. NO NULLS.)you will see my list, best i can generate thus far
4. Are you analytical players or mechanical players?WIFOM

BTW, I would love a similar analysis as you gave Rufus, who is one of my 2 scum reads.



Looking forward to playing with you all!

[kagesong]

Update, my PC crashed, I'm catching up, hope no issues

[kagesong]

@notachipmunk



4. This one is a different type of 'exercise' - explore kagesong's page 1 - page 2 posts. She accidentally derp cleared herself. Clearing townies is just as important as finding scum, or getting scum to slip.

"he" thank you. Did i choose the wrong pronoun?? Also, What is derp clear??

[kagesong]

ok WOW. So, between posts 199-203, I feel confident that I can swap my vote to pam. However, I will hold till EOD. I am less suspicious of Rufus, because I REALLY don't think a team would L-1 another scum in this case. On a larger game maybe, but not here. Too much risk.

[kagesong]

Read the rules at the start of the game. Messaging a player about an ongoing game is a really big violation of the site rules here.

And anyway, you are doing very good at injecting aggressiveness into the game. You got me to respond, and with you two and me I think we can get the others involved more. Let's do it, yeah?

what's your read on frog?

I'll answer this to. Frankly there seems to be 2 options, possibly both. 1 - Frog is legitimately trying to make the game more playable. 2 - He is trying to keep away from a Pamwagon because she's his partner. By pitting scum reads, we may be less likely to lynch Pam. Doubt it, but maybe.

[kagesong]

Kage so town it hurts my eyes

Wait, me or Frog??

[kagesong]

Newb question but- is there a benefit to waiting till end of the day to do a lynch? Like is it to get more stances on players before something happens or to create pressure at the last minute?

It seems that it would be a poor choice to create a lynch secure before we have the opportunity to investigate others for the next day.

[kagesong]

UNVOTE: LiterallyPam

Town:
Me- because I'm the sheriff jailor obviously

I'm probably falling into a silly simple trap here.

This is a lie, I'm the Jailkeeper.

Town wouldn't lie about this, FrogSC2 is the Mafia Roleblocker, we need to lynch him today, I'll jail Kagesong tonight and if there's no kill, we lynch him the next day.

VOTE: FrogSC2

Alternately, if you don't believe my claim, lynch me today and expose Frog's lie then lynch him and Kagesong...kill Frog or Me, that gives the most info

ACTUALLY you just open the door to more WIFOM that is unnecessary. IF we lynch frog or pam, i say pam, then jail me, the scum will simply not NK then I, according to your theory, would be confirmed scum, whether or not i am. HOWEVER, my theory all along has been that you and pam are scum, and that you are playing double to ensure that pam does not get lynched OR if they do that suspicion falls on someone else. You're almost good at this. But, I'm very good at seeing through these loops, I believe most of the town is. We don't play this game because we're bad with psychology. I think you should become the D2 lynch.

end of day i will be voting pam for now

[/unvote] whoever i voted for UNVOTE:
[/vote] Rufus Delorian VOTE:

my vote might have been there, i just want to make sure.

[kagesong]

Actually Kage, you're terrible at seeing through loops, you've been 100% sure I'm scum since the start and I'm not, I'm pretty sure Literallypam's going to flip town too.

I doubt skipping a NK in the hope of getting a mislynch would benefit scum, they'd be swapping a sure kill for a risky one...they could kill you (if you're town) and implicate me as scum, I doubt that'll happen though.

However, it is your surefire defense of pam, who is basically agreed to be scum, that makes you suspicious. Right now, if she flips scum, you're almost definitely D2 lynch.

correction of mistype earlier

VOTE: Rufus Delorian

[kagesong]

@mod Can we get a vote count please? I got a bit lost.

[kagesong]

@mod Can we please prod literallypam?

[kagesong]

Actually Kage, you're terrible at seeing through loops, you've been 100% sure I'm scum since the start and I'm not, I'm pretty sure Literallypam's going to flip town too.

I doubt skipping a NK in the hope of getting a mislynch would benefit scum, they'd be swapping a sure kill for a risky one...they could kill you (if you're town) and implicate me as scum, I doubt that'll happen though.

However, it is your surefire defense of pam, who is basically agreed to be scum, that makes you suspicious. Right now, if she flips scum, you're almost definitely D2 lynch.

correction of mistype earlier

VOTE: Rufus Delorian

Ummm. Shouldn't this have been a pam vote?

yes , I read the deadline wrong, didn't realize what day it was either. lots of life happening

[kagesong]

For everyone who mentioned me as a no show. I had a personal emergency, which included my laptop getting stolen and hours with cops. I honestly thought it was still monday. IF THE MOD WILL HONOR IT my official vote is VOTE: literallypam

If not, I apologize for my absence and hope you all understand.

[kagesong]

In this case, we're scewed for the plan. Womp.

Also, I received notification that people who are jailkeept are not notified.

@mod can you confirm this in any way?

[kagesong]

Here's my though. Either lynch frog tonight, his plan seems to have enough holes in it that he could very well be trying to devise a strategy to distract from himself. Or, lynch PhantomCobalt. 2 possibilities, we win tonight, or lynch the other one and win tomorrow. That's the real POE. Since Frog claimed Rufus as town, I'm clearing him. I think he is attempting to get a counterclaim out of someone else so that his false counterclaim will be ignored.

[kagesong]

Also, it appears that most people feel that I am cleared townie, vanilla. If you do not feel that way, please speak up.

[kagesong]

Here's my though. Either lynch frog tonight, his plan seems to have enough holes in it that he could very well be trying to devise a strategy to distract from himself. Or, lynch PhantomCobalt. 2 possibilities, we win tonight, or lynch the other one and win tomorrow. That's the real POE. Since Frog claimed Rufus as town, I'm clearing him. I think he is attempting to get a counterclaim out of someone else so that his false counterclaim will be ignored.

The thing is, no one has counter claimed Rufus, so Rufus MUST be town.

OR there IS NO JAILOR

[kagesong]

The risk - the real bulletproof claims before the mafia can.

In this situation, mafia no longer has an incentive to claim, and the trap is dead.

That's why I ordered the POE of claims.

Does anyone want to reorder to Claims list?

Except, to avoid this, all the mafia has to do is NOT CLAIM no matter what. Fails.

[kagesong]

So, let's do this.
@Rufus

IF you are vanilla townie, and there is indeed no jailor, which would support a claim of Frog as scum. What reason would you have for claiming jailor?

[kagesong]

Kage, there is no way I am today's lynch.

If Rufus is fakeclaiming, it's GG.

If Rufus is true claiming, then it's PhantomCobalt and you in the square POE. With PhantomCobalt first.

Didn't you yourself clear me as town? Why would I be in your PoE all of a sudden.

[kagesong]

Let me point out that Frog seemed very anti Pam lynch, trying to make everyone else look at other people. Now, D2, Pam is confirmed dead scum. Frog is clearly changing his attitude, claiming that he was on the Pam train all the time. I am now not clear town in his mind and everything he says is tailored to remove any attention from himself. If we follow his PoE, then he gets to skate in the background. So lynch him or Rufus, worst case, win tomorrow.

[kagesong]

ffs man, I hit scum so early in the game. It was the first proper case (the one against Drixx was pretty bad) the game had seen. This sounds like WIFOM but why the hell would I, as scum jump on my partner at post 47? And the Rufus after pam was so damn obvious from my posting that it hurts my eyes. He gave terrible reasons as to why pam was town. I claim VT. Why would I screw over my partner so hard (and quite unnecessarily so) if I were scum? This makes no sense. I really should be cleared so we can move onto other possibilities. This is the second time you've tried to underpin my involvement in the lynching of pam. It's as if you're trying to reduce all the towncred I've accumulated. At least I'm last in your POE

He's specifically trying to mechanically destroy town credit for anyone but himself. Rufus was my #1 scum after Pam. But the obvious misdirection that Frog is giving makes it quite clear. Choo Choo

VOTE: FrogSC

[kagesong]

ffs man, I hit scum so early in the game. It was the first proper case (the one against Drixx was pretty bad) the game had seen. This sounds like WIFOM but why the hell would I, as scum jump on my partner at post 47? And the Rufus after pam was so damn obvious from my posting that it hurts my eyes. He gave terrible reasons as to why pam was town. I claim VT. Why would I screw over my partner so hard (and quite unnecessarily so) if I were scum? This makes no sense. I really should be cleared so we can move onto other possibilities. This is the second time you've tried to underpin my involvement in the lynching of pam. It's as if you're trying to reduce all the towncred I've accumulated. At least I'm last in your POE

He's specifically trying to mechanically destroy town credit for anyone but himself. Rufus was my #1 scum after Pam. But the obvious misdirection that Frog is giving makes it quite clear. Choo Choo

VOTE: FrogSC

kagesong

You're either purposefully misunderstand, or unable to understand me. Both of the cases are sad, but at least one involves you being the actual scum.


I AM NEVER BEING VOTED TODAY EVER, IN ANY WORLDS.

1) Rufus HARD CLAIMED jailkeeper believeably, and backed it up again today with his action on me. Unless someone counter claims, Rufus is hard town cleared, and I am soft town cleared.

2) The only reason the Pam lynch went through was because of my vote. Guess who wasn't on the Pam vote by the mods count. PhantomCobalt and you. You 2 will ALWAYS be lynches ahead of me because of this alone.

3) Look at my gamesolving and interaction. Where has any other player's level of interaction been?

----

I realize this is anewbie game, but I kind of expected more the more experienced players.

I've played with Phantom before, and even though he's on the square POE hopefully he can talk sense into you guys.

Ok, so YES my vote was made late, I explained that I had emergency situations in real world and asked the mod to count it as Pam. I can not help that the mod did not. I think everyone else realizes that is slightly beyond my control. The ONLY other possible scum besides you and Rufus is Phantom. I don't see enough from Kirroha to be informed. But, I still see your interaction as distractions.

[kagesong]

@ Reubus Let's wait and see what a few others think. As I said, in my POE it's one tonight, the other tomorrow, we win. Of course, if neither flip scum, I would easily become D4 lynch. OR lynch me tonight. I flip town. Lynch Frog tomorrow. There ya go. No matter what town wins.

[kagesong]

kagesong, you honestly believe I'm scum over everyone else?

Not necessarily. Rufus could be scum claiming jk and having jailed you in a game with no jk whatsoever so no counter could be made, then using jailing you to cover up his night kill. Since he is "confirmed jailor" no one would suspect him. And since he "jailed" you it soft clears you, so you point at everyone but him which keeps him from being lynched. Scum wins. BUT, that would seem very advanced from a newbie.

[kagesong]

kagesong, you honestly believe I'm scum over everyone else?

Not necessarily. Rufus could be scum claiming jk and having jailed you in a game with no jk whatsoever so no counter could be made, then using jailing you to cover up his night kill. Since he is "confirmed jailor" no one would suspect him. And since he "jailed" you it soft clears you, so you point at everyone but him which keeps him from being lynched. Scum wins. BUT, that would seem very advanced from a newbie.

This would also explain why the role has not been counter-claimed. IF ANYONE HAS A TOWN ROLE THAT WOULD DISCLUDE JAILOR PLEASE CLAIM.

[kagesong]

kagesong, you honestly believe I'm scum over everyone else?

Not necessarily. Rufus could be scum claiming jk and having jailed you in a game with no jk whatsoever so no counter could be made, then using jailing you to cover up his night kill. Since he is "confirmed jailor" no one would suspect him. And since he "jailed" you it soft clears you, so you point at everyone but him which keeps him from being lynched. Scum wins. BUT, that would seem very advanced from a newbie.

....

I've been repeating constantly...

If anyone is a town power role other than bulletproof (which is a seperate claiming strategy), claim NOW and we lynch Rufus for a GG.

Otherwise, Rufus is a confirmed Town.

I feel like when I press send, my messages enter dead space.

Sadly, one must consider the low level of activity in this game, this alone would make it believable that the cop or etc. would be to claim.

[kagesong]

kagesong, you honestly believe I'm scum over everyone else?

Not necessarily. Rufus could be scum claiming jk and having jailed you in a game with no jk whatsoever so no counter could be made, then using jailing you to cover up his night kill. Since he is "confirmed jailor" no one would suspect him. And since he "jailed" you it soft clears you, so you point at everyone but him which keeps him from being lynched. Scum wins. BUT, that would seem very advanced from a newbie.

....

I've been repeating constantly...

If anyone is a town power role other than bulletproof (which is a seperate claiming strategy), claim NOW and we lynch Rufus for a GG.

Otherwise, Rufus is a confirmed Town.

I feel like when I press send, my messages enter dead space.

Quite frankly, because you're coming off as a try-hard. You're tactics seem to change with the wind as if you're trying to keep up. There is no way I can say not town. You've been careful. Maybe you are town. But I find good reason to put you at 65% scum. Where as Rufus is 100% dependant on role-claim. And Phantom hasn't given enough data. I see Reubus and Drixx as pretty well cleared townie.

[kagesong]

Anyway I see your point.

Forget that I hammered Pam entirely. Forget it. Getting the Pam lynch yesterday was scummy as fuck.

Forget that I've been pushing for more engagement from other players. Lurking is pro-town anyway.

Forget that I'm pushing against voting Rufus who would be next in the POE. We should probably lynch that uncounterclaimed jailkeeper anyway. I'm so scum for defending him again Reubus + you lot still scum reading him because logic and all. Logic is scummy.

That whole POE thing I did D1, shouldn't have done that. It clearly helps scum when we identify scum potential and lynch in that group no matter what.

That whole strategy about guaranteeing a Town win 100% of the time I developed D2- That was so scummy. Obviously scum love losing, which is why I developed such a plan as scum, so I could lose.

Even though I'm mechanically cleared after I was jailkept last night and a kill went through - clearly there must be some sort of error and I'm the scum. You shouldn't at minimum soft clear me as town. That should make me hard scum if anything!

-_-

Seriously, I'm never, ever, ever a vote.

And if anyone can verbalize how in any world I would ever be lynched, I'd love to hear it, I'll gladly self-hammer and just peace.

literally, my reason is that you're pushing SO hard to prove that you could NEVER be voted for POE when any one else could, even if there cleared town, just for the sake of getting reactions. The fact that you COMPLETELY try to force people to believe that there is ZERO reason that you could be involved in POE is SUPER scummy. I've already pointed out several POEs that involve you as a vote, town or not. The main one being. THERE IS NO JK or Rufus is otherwise lying. Let's keep in mind YOU COUNTERCLAIMED. Taking that back now? SUPER SCUMMY. I can't see town false claiming a counter. It makes no sense.

[kagesong]

Something to think about.

If I were scum, I would have NEVER killed Panther. We mindmeld easily. I would have pocketed a strong voice.

This part actually makes less sense to me than the rest of what you've said =p
If the two of you mindmeld wouldn't you want him gone if you were scum because he would figure you out?
Though he did not seem suspicious of you from what he did post.

More to the point. Why should we consider a hypothetical quasi-metaphysical claim about your generally interaction with another player, which has nothing at all to do with our own experience? Why do we give a damn?

[kagesong]

I'll say Frog does seem a bit scummy to me.

However, if we don't have a bulletproof townie, he

is

cleared. I jailed him & there was still a NK.

I claimed Jailkeeper D1, if I was lying, there'd be another Jailkeeper, a Doctor, a Tracker, or a Cop, they'd have claimed, revealed me as scum and won the game.

Pretty sure everyone's posted since then & would have had the whole night to work out the easy way to win.

Other than Frog, only person I could be suspicious of is PhantomCobalt, just because everyone else seems towny to me and Phantom & Kirroha haven't said much

IF he is roleblocker, he resolved before you AND most likely recieved his NK as well. Therefore, you jailing him does NOT clear him at all. In a way it points harder.

[kagesong]

With no 1-shot BP claimed, FrogSC2 is conftown. Without any Cop/Doctor/Tracker claim, then Rufus is confirmed to be telling the truth about being Jailkeeper. That's two conftown. We should let the remaining scum kill them. Foolish to do scum's job for them.

I think my suspect order goes something like this:

PhantomCobalt
Reubus Swagrid
Kagesong


Not sure where I should put notachipmunk. Reubus and Kage could swap places... I can't decide which is 2nd most suspicious to me.

I could go for Phantom, if it's agreed. Frankly, yes, from the data alone Reubus and I could swap. However, the only one on that list I believe might be scum is Phantom.

[kagesong]

That was my first thought, but if Frog's a Roleblocker, there has to be a Bulletproof Townie in the mix.

If there is a Bulletproof guy, not claiming is causing possible scum to be totally cleared, I think we went over this pretty well earlier so, since no-one's claimed Bulletproof, we're working on the assumption that there's no Roleblocker.

Unless of course there's a lack of attention being paid. BUT VOTE: Phantom

Let's see where this takes us

I believe Phantom is now at L-1 I don't know how to bold

[kagesong]

I think Frog has finally talked himself into a loop he can't escape. I am prepared to hammer him or Phantom. Preferrably Frog, kinda cus I just don't like him.

[kagesong]

Apologies frog. We are fine for now. Now we come back to the question of lynch candidates

Well, if we clear Frog >.>, that just leaves me and Phantom. What order?

[kagesong]

I read the GG as a concession as well, then Frog started talking himself out of the lynch.

If PhantomCobalt is scum, claiming BP's just going to drag the game out for another turn. If he claims it, we lynch Kagesong, I jail Phantom and there's no NK, then we lynch Phantom. Maybe they didn't see any point in wasting everyone's time.

I'll jail Kagesong tonight if PhantomCobalt flips town.

UNLESS he's MRB

[kagesong]

I read the GG as a concession as well, then Frog started talking himself out of the lynch.

If PhantomCobalt is scum, claiming BP's just going to drag the game out for another turn. If he claims it, we lynch Kagesong, I jail Phantom and there's no NK, then we lynch Phantom. Maybe they didn't see any point in wasting everyone's time.

I'll jail Kagesong tonight if PhantomCobalt flips town.

UNLESS he's MRB

If Phantom is MRB then it makes no difference who you jail, because he can simply block you and then choose to kill, clearing the jailed person, or not kill, causing them to be mislynched.

[kagesong]

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

[kagesong]

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

IF the last scum is roleblocker, for WHATEVER reason no one is claming BP, then they can always block rufus, choose to kill or not kill, either confirming or clearing the person who got "jailed" as they see fit. KEEP IN MIND THAT ROLEBLOCKER RESOLVES FIRST. Yes I know no one has claimed BP, I'm not giving points for doing what people should here, I'm just saying this is a 50% possibility.

[kagesong]

Barring that, if we're horizontal, all scum has to do is NOT NK. Then suspicion falls immediately on a mislynch the next day. So mislynch and jail tonight, scum chooses not to kill. Tomorrow mislynch the one you jailed tonight, then scum kills. Pretty tidy.

[kagesong]

Your entire assertion that jailing = confirmed win has WAY to much WIFOM available to it.

[kagesong]

I think Frog has finally talked himself into a loop he can't escape. I am prepared to hammer him or Phantom. Preferrably Frog, kinda cus I just don't like him.

What is the loop you are referring to here? I get a bit lost trying to follow everything he posts.

Yeah, that loop.

[kagesong]

I don't like that Frog even demanded the bulletproof to claim to begin with. As much as he's coming up with some elaborate plans ultimately I feel like they're in his own self-interest to make himself look town regardless of his alignment. Of course it may all be true and maybe I'm wrong but isn't claiming BP bad as town? That's why I don't like that he pushed so much to even put it out in the open. He was hoping there wouldn't be anyone to claim it so he could be free, whether or not he was, and maybe they don't want to claim or just go with his plan. I mean at this point we're all kinda just jumping on the Frog strat because he accounts for about 1/3 of the total posts and has a lot of stuff laid out and I've been taking a lot of what he says as legit too.
I still don't like his "sheriff jailor" claim - decoy or not I feel like it helped him jump roles freely, especially since I took it as sarcasm at first and then he straight up used it as a role. His delayed pam vote also was shady. I mean if you were gonna vote in the last 2 hours, why do it like 45 min later -_-
Sorry if this is all "old" stuff from D1 but I need to think out loud and don't want to dismiss all of this and potentially get sucked into believing everything.

He wasn't hoping for anything. Neither he nor Pam were roleblockers. Therefore, he knew there would be no bulletproof claim. He's avoiding his advised strategy of claiming it as scum, because, obviously, if he were scum he would use that. That's what he's trying to do is make us think he would do what he suggests and then he does the opposite, so we don't look at him.

[kagesong]

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

IF the last scum is roleblocker, for WHATEVER reason no one is claming BP, then they can always block rufus, choose to kill or not kill, either confirming or clearing the person who got "jailed" as they see fit. KEEP IN MIND THAT ROLEBLOCKER RESOLVES FIRST. Yes I know no one has claimed BP, I'm not giving points for doing what people should here, I'm just saying this is a 50% possibility.

@Kagesong

I'm trying my best to ask you a simple question.
Your answers feel very confused and with a purposeful narrative to fit whatever story you want to spin.

Once again:

Walk me through step by step how you get from:

A)Our current scenario of a jailkeeper
To
B) The next 2 lynches are Phantom and Yourself (Kagesong)
To
C) The last POE lynch is between Me (Frog, the clear) and Rufus (The uncontested Jailkeeper)

I don't, that would require me to have started from your theory, which would not make sense, as I do not view it as valid. I, however, using my own logic, began at my own point and worked toward my conclusion. To get from A to B you have to start at A. I however, began at C. So, your inquiry is invalid.

[kagesong]

I don't like that Frog even demanded the bulletproof to claim to begin with. As much as he's coming up with some elaborate plans ultimately I feel like they're in his own self-interest to make himself look town regardless of his alignment. Of course it may all be true and maybe I'm wrong but isn't claiming BP bad as town? That's why I don't like that he pushed so much to even put it out in the open. He was hoping there wouldn't be anyone to claim it so he could be free, whether or not he was, and maybe they don't want to claim or just go with his plan. I mean at this point we're all kinda just jumping on the Frog strat because he accounts for about 1/3 of the total posts and has a lot of stuff laid out and I've been taking a lot of what he says as legit too.
I still don't like his "sheriff jailor" claim - decoy or not I feel like it helped him jump roles freely, especially since I took it as sarcasm at first and then he straight up used it as a role. His delayed pam vote also was shady. I mean if you were gonna vote in the last 2 hours, why do it like 45 min later -_-
Sorry if this is all "old" stuff from D1 but I need to think out loud and don't want to dismiss all of this and potentially get sucked into believing everything.

I appreciate your pure unfiltered thoughts.

I feel as though your thoughts are a bit confused.

Let me help a bit.

Keep one small point for line.

"Of course it may all be true and maybe I'm wrong but isn't claiming BP bad as town?"
Think through the scenarios in which a Town BP would claim, and in which a Mafia BP would claim.
Think through scenarios in which a Mafia would NOT claim BP.

"He was hoping there wouldn't be anyone to claim it so he could be free"
Using your knowledge from the questions you walked through above, explain how the sentence you wrote above makes no sense.

I'll ask that after you walk through everything completely, do not post it yet.
You are not a prime night kill target in the event that the game continues.
Keep your findings ready for copy paste if necessary tomorrow.
Please understand why I'm asking you to keep this to yourself instead of posting it.

I'm not sure how you expect him to succeed on this homework, Sensai. I mean, you're asking him to prove facts to be true, which are indeed false. What do you want? Gold from iron?

[kagesong]

Obviously my brain is too alternative for this crowd. Thought this was Mafia, not Mob Mentality. I stand on my assertions, if it won't be discussed, I have no further to say until further notice. I do not support the given theory, am not being taken seriously as I point out the flaws and therefore have nothing further to contribute until any given fact is proved.

[kagesong]

Indeed, we needs opinion.

[kagesong]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

I Really don't like agreeing with Frog's sentiment here, however, that was A - really scummy of you to say and B - completely useless to you no matter what alignment you are. It gives no meaningful input to the game. Give us a reason he's probably not town, and a reason you are.

[kagesong]

I hadn't even considered lynching that other guy...we may have to debate this proposal at great length.

I'll start us off:

If That Other Guy = scum, this is a great proposal.

If That Other Guy = town, this is not a very good proposal.


I'm sure Frog can elaborate in far greater detail.

OMG so much broken. I almost want to rebirth Doge for this.

[kagesong]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

I Really don't like agreeing with Frog's sentiment

here, however, that was A - really scummy of you to say and B - completely useless to you no matter what alignment you are. It gives no meaningful input to the game. Give us a reason he's probably not town, and a reason you are.

Why not?

All you've suggested is point C:
Frog is scum



But you haven't elaborated how you got there;
Points A & B

Umm, I definitely explained my logic. But, since it's "wrong" you completely ignore the fact that I did so, simply because I used a different procedure than you.

[kagesong]

Ummm, quotes got ruined on my last post.........................

[kagesong]

Why can't we just lynch that other guy before me cuz I'm town and he's probably not

Impressive contribution.

I Really don't like agreeing with Frog's sentiment

here, however, that was A - really scummy of you to say and B - completely useless to you no matter what alignment you are. It gives no meaningful input to the game. Give us a reason he's probably not town, and a reason you are.

Why not?

All you've suggested is point C:
Frog is scum

But you haven't elaborated how you got there;
Points A & B

Umm, I definitely explained my logic. But, since it's "wrong" you completely ignore the fact that I did so, simply because I used a different procedure than you.

[kagesong]

FYI,

This was your blatant refusal of logic.

If Phantom wasn't derping so much, this would get you auto-lynched.

Quotes below:

Spoiler: no thought process

If he's the MRB, our Bulletproof guy is screwing us over.

But phantom claimed VT already so we're not losing a BP townie if we lynch him and if he is MRB, game's won.

Unless you keep jailing people and no one dies. Then he could sneak through. Lynch him tonight, if he flips town, lynch me. Then it's a heads up between you and frog.

Kagesong

Walk through that whole scenario.

The premise is Rufus jails and no one dies.

What would the logical next steps be?

Sorry, I don't understand how you ever reach those conclusions from your premise points.

I'm sure I missed something, could you please explain it step by step?

IF the last scum is roleblocker, for WHATEVER reason no one is claming BP, then they can always block rufus, choose to kill or not kill, either confirming or clearing the person who got "jailed" as they see fit. KEEP IN MIND THAT ROLEBLOCKER RESOLVES FIRST. Yes I know no one has claimed BP, I'm not giving points for doing what people should here, I'm just saying this is a 50% possibility.

@Kagesong

I'm trying my best to ask you a simple question.
Your answers feel very confused and with a purposeful narrative to fit whatever story you want to spin.

Once again:

Walk me through step by step how you get from:

A)Our current scenario of a jailkeeper
To
B) The next 2 lynches are Phantom and Yourself (Kagesong)
To
C) The last POE lynch is between Me (Frog, the clear) and Rufus (The uncontested Jailkeeper)

I don't, that would require me to have started from your theory, which would not make sense, as I do not view it as valid. I, however, using my own logic, began at my own point and worked toward my conclusion. To get from A to B you have to start at A. I however, began at C. So, your inquiry is invalid.

Apparently you live in a very tiny world where only you are capable of being correct about any kind of logic and your logic is the only truth. OMG you're one of THEM. Here, let's test your theory, since I'm an "auto-lynch" for whatever reason.

VOTE: Kagesong
I guess it really comes down to, I'm sick of reading this arrogance, but I really wanna get a complete game. SO, go ahead, vote me. Then lose when you get lynched tomorrow.

[kagesong]

Yeah, all that great strategy stuff, thanks for making me not seem like a *********** Frog. Of course it's strategy. When I die, Frog gets lynched, town wins. Not at ALL because I'm sick of one person trying to run a game. HONEST.

[kagesong]

You know you can just ignore Frog, right? I've just been skimming his longer posts.

To be clear, do you actually think there's a Bulletproof Townie who hasn't claimed or are you just wanting to go against what Frog's doing because you think he's an ass?

I think it is unintelligent to pursue ONLY one line of thinking, which is what Frog is trying to make us do. And ignoring him won't matter, because anything I attempt to communicate will be immediately backwashed by his "superiority".

[kagesong]

Which other guy?

I'm quite certain that "the other guy" as, very poorly, quoted before, was intended to be Frog. It's from a post by Phantom, in which he made himself seem very scum. It's the only reason I'm not voting Frog. Well, besides the other reasons.

[kagesong]

We kinda already pursued the Frog = Scum line of thinking. Without a Bulletproof Townie, it doesn't work out.

Reubus did the Rufus = Scum line of thinking but without any other power role claim, it doesn't work out.

We're currently on PhantomCobalt = Scum with a hint of Kagesong = scum in the mix.

Drixx, Reubus & Notachipmunk haven't had much suspicion pointed at them but they all voted on a scum lynch D1, if you can think of any reason to suspect one of them more than PhantomCobalt...we've got time I guess.

Personally I'd rather string up PhantomCobalt and be done with it.


Also, I read 'That other guy' as Kagesong.

For everyone who mentioned me as a no show. I had a personal emergency, which included my laptop getting stolen and hours with cops. I honestly thought it was still monday. IF THE MOD WILL HONOR IT my official vote is VOTE: literallypam

If not, I apologize for my absence and hope you all understand.

SO PLEASE QUIT EXCLUDING ME FROM THE PAM VOTE.

[kagesong]

The lynch had already gone through at that point, D1 could have been extended for a week and that vote still wouldn't have been counted.

Regardless, if you're not scum, our current plan works for you. Either PhantomCobalt is scum and town win or I jail you tonight, you're safe from NK and cleared as town when I get killed.

Or scum doesn't kill tonight, to paint a target on me.

[kagesong]

I think it was 3 votes on Phantom.

[kagesong]

Okay, I missed one, oh well. , hope GG.

[kagesong]

I think this is very obvious Drixx is claiming BP right now because it would this app keeps me from being clear and clear him and make sure that he was as low as possible in the voting order

[kagesong]

His explanation does sound believable though. Also, I really think an IC would be doing a pretty bad job introducing newbies to the game if he got on a scum team with literallypam and immediately screwed them over.

I think Kagesong was acting kinda erratically at the end of D2: self voting when it was clear someone else was getting lynched, arguing how we were stupid for only seeing things one way (only Drixx & the scum should have known there was another way) and seeming to get pretty worked up at Frog.

Then Frog gets NKd...clearly it could be someone else trying to frame Kagesong by NKing the person Kagesong was arguing with but then Kagesong's been WIFOMy all game so it's exactly what he would do if he was scum.

VOTE: Kagesong

It's going to be Drixx now isn't it?

Well, on the one hand, I'm glad you're able to see the exact logic I was going to state. On the other hand, I feel like my logic has been disregarded this entire time. Yes, I was wrong about Frog, BUT, I was right that Phantom was being framed. Whoever IS scum, is doing a great job of misdirection. But, I'm not sure what else to offer. Take the logic you present for me, add it to the suspiciously late claim, and I don't care what happened D1, it's suspicious as hell. However, I don't know what to follow beyond that, as no one seems to even attempt to think about my logic, simply claiming that this is all WIFOM, when it's pretty straightforward. So, I'm afraid all I can do is sit back.

[kagesong]

You all realize I could have just "confessed" I was the 1-shot and said I hoped that I would draw night fire since the scum must know I exist, instead of telling you the truth that I mixed up games and literally didn't realize until Phantom was lynched and the thread was locked, right? If I were scum and this was a fake claim, it would not be "Oops I forgot" but "Damn ... I wish I had successfully drawn fire" and it probably wouldn't have happened today right at the day start.

Look at day one and tell me why I would have been the architect of my partner's demise when given every opportunity to go get a mislynch somewhere instead, if I were scum.

This isn't even difficult at all. I would have to be holding the most gigantic idiot ball ever made to be scum and have acted as I have.

VOTE: notachipmunk

Then I should be your logical vote. Apparently.

[kagesong]

I don't necessarily agree that you are the culprit here. Just because I screwed up and you

aren't

cleared doesn't mean you are scum. If you were the roleblocker, I would expect our jailkeeper to be dead. Why isn't he?

I'm just quoting me=scum as an apparently common logic for people. I don't have any answers.

[kagesong]

Kage: D1 I got a bad vibe off your posts mostly the focus on nightkills and discussion of scum strategy. The late pam vote didn't count and may have been an attempt to try to redeem yourself after it had happened - or possibly happened since the Frog vote would be the determining factor. D2 the logic was a bit odd. I was a little bit ok with the Frog isn't auto-town thing, but I also thought that maybe it was due to not claiming as I thought claiming wasn't always a good idea, but I suppose I was wrong on that. But Frog not being town and also not being a roleblocker required Rufus to either not be JK or lying about who he jailed - which would be a very anti-town thing to do if he was town, which at that point seemed like the only possibility due to lack of counterclaim on JK (since a counterclaim would mean a town win - one of them would HAVE to be scum and it would very untown to not claim JK there). On the plus side you are very much unafraid to put out opposing thoughts.

Like I said, anything that is off let me know what and why. This is pretty much just my thought process atm and not a super in-depth analysis.

For anyone that uses my late vote as lynch evidence, it's ok, I'll feel better once you realize my stuff was really stolen. So, I forgive you.

[kagesong]

Could you tell me why you're convinced its more likely chipmunk than kage?

I compared the lynch pool in ISO together. The confirmed are me and Rufus. That leaves You, Kage and Notachipmunk. Out of the three of you, notachipmunk's ISO looks more like a fabrication to me, while you are low on content but it seems to be legitimately involved with the game, and I can't find anything that smells wrong about Kage. I can do a spoiler wall on each of you tomorrow if you like. I need to finish some writing that is overdue and get it submitted. It's the only reason I'm up so late.

Thanks for thinking through things. I totally get the shock that I would so royally screw up. I really wish I hadn't. We could have put together a much better plan had town known what scum knew.

I still think we have this. We know it wasn't the replacements paired with pam, because they've been killed. Evaluating what they said and who they threatened or cleared will be helpful. Frog and I had a bit of a difference of opinion obviously and there was some friction. I'm wondering if those two (who are obviously friends prior to here) were killed to put me in a frame?

Anyway ... we need significant content from You, Kage and Chipmunk today so that Rufus and I can read you now and read you earlier and see if we can finish the game today.

I don't know about adding significant content. But your point is both true and troubling. If you are not scum, targeting the people you disliked would be ideal. The same target could cause FOS on me however. As far as you conftown, that is assuming that you are indeed 1SBP. If there's a RB no one clear. The rest gets into some obvious WIFOM that is probably going through everyone's head. What it comes down to, is how can we prove you are BP without scum targeting you?

[kagesong]

@Drixx - yeah if you can do a spoiler wall thing at some point that would be cool, since I'm not sure what you mean

@Kage - The only way I can think to confirm Drixx is BP is to lynch him pretty much, and that would be bad idea if it turned out he wasn't lying because then it's a wasted lynch. If he is lying, then great, he is scum. I don't think there is a way to confirm it at this point, which is also why it would be pretty safe to fakeclaim it.

precisely

[kagesong]

Seriously? You guys can clear me using logic alone.

1.) If I were scum, I would not have claimed BP without any pressure on me, nor would it have been claimed anywhere near the way I did. People actually outright said in BOLD for the BP not to claim and hope to draw night fire. I could have said "I hoped the scum would shoot me, but they didn't and I feel like it's time to claim so the town knows nobody is clear" or some blather like that. Instead I told you guys the honest truth of what happened. It's embarrassing and it doesn't do anything at all to help a scum agenda; it in fact brings negative attention to me. It makes no logical sense to take this approach when a much nicer and elegant story was available to me... unless it's the truth. It's the truth.

2.) If I were scum, that would mean that I went after my partner on day one relentlessly, even when I was urged to look elsewhere and even when FrogSC2 was slinging insults at me because I stuck to my guns and said "I find one scum, and I make sure it dies; THEN I worry about the partner." (paraphrased obviously). I not only had the opportunity to go to a wagon on someone else, I was being actively insulted that I wasn't doing so. Please explain to me what rational motive could possibly lead me to do that on day one, if I were scum.

When you take just those two points together, it becomes obvious that I'm not scum. The two of you avoiding looking at context makes it seem likely that one of you is scum and the other is erm ... bad at logic.

I'm just saying that there are reasons it could make you seem more and less suspicious. It depends on how much wine there is.

[kagesong]

The deadline is the deadline and FroGSC2 caused a no lynch, and I believe it's intentional. I believe he's scum and have strong reasons for that belief. He called out what I have reason to believe was a VT attempting to draw fire by claiming. If I'm dead in the morning you will see my role and it will make sense. If I'm know, I'll say more.

It's a bit of an old post but I'm quoting it here because I was sure Drixx was the bulletproof after it, which was why I was initially reluctant to accept Frog as cleared and kept asking the BP to step forwards.

Also, if there isn't a Roleblocker, I should have been NKd. If there is, it's useful to keep me around as long as BP doesn't claim because it could lead to scum getting cleared...such as if I "jailed" scum last night.

@Kagesong, on D2 you kept arguing that Frog was wrong & not cleared because there could be a Roleblocker, today Drixx has confirmed that there is one but you're not convinced, what changed?

He claimed BP day 3. I see no reason to wait that long. By the way, who did you jail last night?

[kagesong]

The deadline is the deadline and FroGSC2 caused a no lynch, and I believe it's intentional. I believe he's scum and have strong reasons for that belief. He called out what I have reason to believe was a VT attempting to draw fire by claiming. If I'm dead in the morning you will see my role and it will make sense. If I'm know, I'll say more.

It's a bit of an old post but I'm quoting it here because I was sure Drixx was the bulletproof after it, which was why I was initially reluctant to accept Frog as cleared and kept asking the BP to step forwards.

Also, if there isn't a Roleblocker, I should have been NKd. If there is, it's useful to keep me around as long as BP doesn't claim because it could lead to scum getting cleared...such as if I "jailed" scum last night.

@Kagesong, on D2 you kept arguing that Frog was wrong & not cleared because there could be a Roleblocker, today Drixx has confirmed that there is one but you're not convinced, what changed?

He claimed BP day 3. I see no reason to wait that long. By the way, who did you jail last night?

Check my ISO. I gave the you the reason, which is super embarrassing to me. You may choose not to believe it, but you cannot claim to "see no reason" when I told you exactly why the claim came when it did. I also gave an example of a much better way to fake claim it if I were scum. After all; I could simply have said I was hoping to stop a night kill or simply said nothing at all and claimed only if I got pressure. What's the motive to choose to believe that I would hard bus my partner on day one and then claim for no reason and say I simply forgot?

It's irrelevant whom Rufus jailed because the Roleblocker we

now know

is the last scum can simply shut him off to avoid being caught, and kill whomever he likes.

We get two lynches and there's 3 suspects in the pool. Your refusal to operate logically and you flip flop from your stance yesterday is moving you up that list. Do I need to quote your posts yesterday where you were arguing that Rufus couldn't clear anyone?

Your "reason" is no better than mine on the literallypam vote, but somehow that's suspect as well. There's so much WIFOM that could be applied to your statement here it's not even funny.

I am posting this only as an example - You claim BP the way you did, figuring this way you could use reverse psychology to get us to assume that you would have claimed differently if you were scum. If you're doing that then I'm clear, because there is no BP. If you're not doing that, I'm probably the most suspect.

Frankly, as I've said, I don't give a damn anymore. Here, as in real life, any opinion I've had has been given the same treatment as toilet paper. I'm really just posting because it's better than lurking at this point.

[kagesong]

Welp, yup, I, as a complete newbie, was using REALLY complex strategy to hide my tail, including PLANNING on a late vote. I tell you what yer real good thur chipmunk critter. GG ya caught me.

[kagesong]

The deadline is the deadline and FroGSC2 caused a no lynch, and I believe it's intentional. I believe he's scum and have strong reasons for that belief. He called out what I have reason to believe was a VT attempting to draw fire by claiming. If I'm dead in the morning you will see my role and it will make sense. If I'm know, I'll say more.

It's a bit of an old post but I'm quoting it here because I was sure Drixx was the bulletproof after it, which was why I was initially reluctant to accept Frog as cleared and kept asking the BP to step forwards.

Also, if there isn't a Roleblocker, I should have been NKd. If there is, it's useful to keep me around as long as BP doesn't claim because it could lead to scum getting cleared...such as if I "jailed" scum last night.

@Kagesong, on D2 you kept arguing that Frog was wrong & not cleared because there could be a Roleblocker, today Drixx has confirmed that there is one but you're not convinced, what changed?

He claimed BP day 3. I see no reason to wait that long. By the way, who did you jail last night?

Check my ISO. I gave the you the reason, which is super embarrassing to me. You may choose not to believe it, but you cannot claim to "see no reason" when I told you exactly why the claim came when it did. I also gave an example of a much better way to fake claim it if I were scum. After all; I could simply have said I was hoping to stop a night kill or simply said nothing at all and claimed only if I got pressure. What's the motive to choose to believe that I would hard bus my partner on day one and then claim for no reason and say I simply forgot?

It's irrelevant whom Rufus jailed because the Roleblocker we

now know

is the last scum can simply shut him off to avoid being caught, and kill whomever he likes.

We get two lynches and there's 3 suspects in the pool. Your refusal to operate logically and you flip flop from your stance yesterday is moving you up that list. Do I need to quote your posts yesterday where you were arguing that Rufus couldn't clear anyone?

It's really only irrelevant who Rufus jailed if we assume that you are indeed the bullet proof which would mean there is a bulletproof however I am not making any such assumptions as I am very suspicious of you claiming bulletproof day 3 after we said so many times if you're bulletproof claim now so therefore to tell me that something is irrelevant that is only relevant if we assume that you're telling the truth is attempting to force me to follow your logic and believe you when in fact your actions are very suspicious also I apologize for the poor grammar I don't type very well on my phone which is why this is all one sentence because I use voice to text thank you for understanding

[kagesong]

VOTE: kagesong

[kagesong]

Ummm... self-voting is never playing towards win con as town, and once there is only one scum, it's not for scum either. Self-voting is not cool Kage.

I don't care about win-con anymore. You really think I'm scum? I'm at L-1.

[kagesong]

Is self-voting like this something people do a lot in games?

It's usually considered poor form. It's either a gambit to make people think the player is just feed up and wants out of the game, which is manipulative, or the player actually is fed up and wants out of the game but won't replace out. If Kage were to flip town, the only explanation I could see for the behavior would be a desire to have this game "count" as a completed game, whereas replacing out would make it not. However, if Kage were to flip town, I would ask the mod to ensure the listmods handled it. Play to your wincon is a bedrock rule of the game.

I would have hammered already, except I'm trying to get Kage to engage instead of run a gambit on us or just check out of the game and harm us on the way out. Reasonable doubt and all that.

Well, as far as list mods go, I'll explain to them what I've explained here, everything I've stated has been immediately rejected. I'm obviously top candidate. Any strategy or thought I put forth has been immediately stated as scummy. The only way I can see for town to win, is to flip town, and then the others will be able to ISO and decide who has been pushing the hardest to flip me. That will show who scum is. So there IS a win con involved. Otherwise, YES I want this game to count. I've been at this for > 2 weeks, and I'm not going to have it not count because people are trying to bully me into replacing out rather than doing the only thing left I can think of that could offer evidence as to who is scum. Also, when I flip town, you will see that DRIXX IS NOT BP!!!!!!

[kagesong]

Is self-voting like this something people do a lot in games?

It's usually considered poor form. It's either a gambit to make people think the player is just feed up and wants out of the game, which is manipulative, or the player actually is fed up and wants out of the game but won't replace out. If Kage were to flip town, the only explanation I could see for the behavior would be a desire to have this game "count" as a completed game, whereas replacing out would make it not. However, if Kage were to flip town, I would ask the mod to ensure the listmods handled it. Play to your wincon is a bedrock rule of the game.

I would have hammered already, except I'm trying to get Kage to engage instead of run a gambit on us or just check out of the game and harm us on the way out. Reasonable doubt and all that.

Well, as far as list mods go, I'll explain to them what I've explained here, everything I've stated has been immediately rejected. I'm obviously top candidate. Any strategy or thought I put forth has been immediately stated as scummy. The only way I can see for town to win, is to flip town, and then the others will be able to ISO and decide who has been pushing the hardest to flip me. That will show who scum is. So there IS a win con involved. Otherwise, YES I want this game to count. I've been at this for > 2 weeks, and I'm not going to have it not count because people are trying to bully me into replacing out rather than doing the only thing left I can think of that could offer evidence as to who is scum. Also, when I flip town, you will see that DRIXX IS NOT BP!!!!!!

Edit, time flies, FOUR WEEKS.

[kagesong]

That being said, the remaining town now needs to hammer me immediately with FOS on whoever does not vote on me and Drixx.

[kagesong]

Did the game dead?

[kagesong]

I completely understand. This game has been sorta ................................................................................................................. I'm sure there's a word for it somewhere.

[kagesong]

REUBUS IS SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!! REMEMBER THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REUBUS IS SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kagesong]

I'm scum for hammering. Wait a moment...

That being said, the remaining town now needs to hammer me immediately with FOS on whoever does not vote on me and Drixx.

Trapped

[kagesong]

fastest 2 and half minutes of reading ever 0____0

Bro. There was one page

I thought you meant reading through like everything, not just the stuff from today

Nah, it was either hammer or don't. Tomorrow it'll either be you or me chipmunk. Unless of course Drixx has pulled the greatest play ever.

If we are lucky kage's REUBUS IS SCUM post-vote posts are for the lulz and the game is already over with the kage hammer =p

Well, since the hammer is officially down, no. I am VT, I knew that scum would hammer me.

[kagesong]

If kage is actually VT, should we have a jail target again in case there is another day?

YES!!!! YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, hammer is down, mod will count. I have no reason to lie to you.

[kagesong]

I want to know............... What made me seem so scummy?

[kagesong]

If I play scum, I want chipmunk as partner..............

[kagesong]

yeah, sorta.

[kagesong]

I also didn't realize how stressful this game is. I wonder if it is less stressful as town.

no