Mini 1770: College Mafia! (Game Ovah)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Night Hunters

I've had too much coffee this evening so I'm a little pumped for this game!

Can we get a wagon going?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why is no-one around?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wagon! Wagon! Wagon!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's a shame. Hopefully we have some players show up soon and we can have some fun!

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why ignore the wagon?

Join it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Kirr, why is NH wagon boring?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Night Hunters wagon is a boring wagon.

Go go Jeanne wagon.

VOTE: Jeanne

Also, any reason you chose Jeanne over GuiltyLion?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wagoning people is THE best use of RVS. Why wouldn't I do this as scum Titus?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you consider me a passive player as scum Titus?

Neither of those players have caught my attention.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You just dodged my question.

Try again?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I will apply Fire's logic to myself and massive. We're hardly ever the same alignment so he is likely to be scum.

What I'm trying to get at Titus is this. You know I can be aggressive as scum, so town reading me for something as silly as pushing wagons in RVS seems a little premature.

Agree?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Alright, let's leave it there for now.

VOTE: massive

Let's get to lynching scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Why is this massive wagon a thing?

Why are you questioning it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What would you like wagons to be built on on page 3?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, I find it weird that you wanted to wagon NH for no reason at all and then question a second wagon that actually has some reasoning (valid or otherwise) behind it.

Saying that, I find it strange that NH want to wagon massive after saying RVS wagons are outdated.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What does a legitimate page 3 wagon look like to you?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you see any of those things in the first 3 pages?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so you found no reasons to push a wagon anywhere and then questioned one when someone tried to get one going.

I'm not following the logic behind your actions at all. Do you propose we all sit back and wait for scum to make a scummy post?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What would you like wagons to be built on on page 3?

Fair enough.

I mean, I find it weird that you wanted to wagon NH for no reason at all and then question a second wagon that actually has some reasoning (valid or otherwise) behind it.

We've exited RVS so I think wagons should have something legitimate to back them up now.

Scummy entrance, bad response to RVS wagon, someone just being generally scummy in their posts.

Walk me through your change in thought process here.

Now this post gives me pause.

Why?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: SC

[BlueBloodedToffee]

GL, why do you think Fire would be town reading a buddy? Why can't he be town reading a townie?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I agree with everything NH just posted.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Will get to this later, looks good though.

Also, I'm down for policy lynching Fire.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That would be you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I just find people like you hard to read and so a policy lynch is always the best option.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's the only way to sort you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's not easy to sort because you don't explain things and that's anti-town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I see.

Is that something you exclusively do as scum because that seems kind of dumb.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, nobody is asking you to lie. That's a strange way of spinning what I just said to you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, but you just said that it's funny that people expect you to explain things.

That implies to me that you don't like explaining your thoughts/reads etc and that means it's going to be hard to read you and you're just going to state things like they're fact and expect people not to question it because you 'don't explain things.'

I think a PL deals with this problem quite well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hey Titus, I haven't read up properly yet, just thought I would take the chance to interact with Fire.

I'll get around to you about 134 when I do though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So the reason I asked that question to NH is because I'm not seeing SirCakez as strongly scum as they are - their push feels forced. I really doubt a Fire-SC scumteam would open the game this way. If anything, I would think it would be more likely that Fire could be scum WKing town!SC. But NH forming pre-flip associatives like 106 is ew.

I feel like you've asked NH a loaded question and are now trying to push them based on their answer. I don't like this at all.

Also, your wording suggests that at this time you're reading SC as scum, is that correct? Because if so, you need to explain why NH's read is forced and if not, you need to explain the line that says 'not reading SC

as

strongly as scum as they are'.

Instead, you were

very

hyper about getting my RVS train to get traction. You said you were out of RVS and didn't unvote in 52, and were heavily pressuring our slot. In 63, you are objecting to a foundationless wagon on massive. If 85 and 88 are to be believed, that means you objected to a counterwagon to your townread that you forgot to Unvote solely because there was a lack of information to do so. Town generally don't discourage counterwagons to their townreads from forming based on lack of information.

Your Fire push here is half assed. You ask an obligatory question to Fire after it's been highlighted that we don't like his townread. Yet us calling out Fire for having a townread on your slot "gives you pause". You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. It reads as talk about anyone BUT SirCakez.

Hmm, did you roll scum Titus?

I should read posts properly before commenting on them. After rereading this post and going back to actually see what happened there are numerous things I disagree with here. SC, you need to correct me if I'm wrong because I find it kind of strange you haven't brought these points up yourself.

Firstly, I don't think SC was 'hyper' in trying to push your wagon and I certainly don't think he was aggressive in his push, I'm not seeing that at all and I think you're misrepping SC from a part of the game that was quiet with not much happening.

I also find town are much more likely to make consistency mistakes (such as fighting a wagon against their town read [even though this actually means nothing because it was still RVS]) and I think you know this so I don't like you pushing it.

I also disagree with your assertion that SC is 'pushing' Fire, he merely asked him why Fire is town reading him, that's not a push and you know it. You framing it up like this is scummy as fuck.

You're also throwing around far, far too many buzzwords for my liking and my alarm bells are ringing loudly. Soothe my concerns?

I'm liking GuiltyLion's posting right now.

Talk to me about this because I'm not seeing it.

This post is horrible. Obviously I'm going to dig into other reads. Should I just sit here and let myself be mislynched? No, that would be terrible play so yes I'm digging into your other reads. I hate how you're twisting this into "he wants attention on anyone else!"
VOTE: Night Hunters
Fire hasn't shown back up to explain his town read on me yet so I'm still waiting for him to explain further.

Can you clarify why you're voting NH please? It feels like you're saying 'you have a bad case so you must be scum.' Would that be a fair assumption?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Night Hunters is sure scummy IMO.
Wonder if anyone is going to call them out on it besides me.

Nice. Talk to me about this (my one and only reach out to you. Blow me off with some sarcastic bullshit and I promise you I will lynch you D1 even if someone outright claims scum.)

@BBT, Does GL's push to attack the suggestion that Fire and SirCakez could be scum together while refusing to address the trajectory issue look bad or am I just wanting to scumread everyone who defends Cakez at the moment? He says my scumread is forced, I lay it out there and GL doesn't say anything about it. He's complaining rather about the methods I am using to "oversell" my scumread, which is a thinly veiled discredit rather than a substantive response.

Titus, I really dislike your push on SC, like a lot. SC's posting has also been pretty decent over the past couple of pages and I'm concerned you haven't addressed this. I also agree with whoever said that SC has too many people pushing him, it's nothing solid, but it's enough to give me pause about his wagon alongside his recent posting.

I am also concerned that you are the main poster for your hydra (Has Dwlee produced any content yet?) I know for a fact you would take over if you rolled scum and I'm sure Dwlee would take over if you're town because I know you believe your general play-style is perceived as scummy so talk to me about this please.

The cakey wagon has kind of died out, a lot of you want either a Fire policy lynch or a Gl scum lynch, and seen as he voted for me basically for agreeing with someone else:

VOTE: GL

I don't even have words for this post...Like, lynch-bait or just bad scum? Jesus Christ.

What's the criteria here? Why is SirCakez the "early wagon on town" but I wasn't?

Really massive? Just this, that's all you deemed as important enough to respond to?

VOTE: massive

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll get around to a proper response to you Titus when I'm back on a laptop.

You should really read SC's posting though over the last two pages. It's making complete sense from a town perspective and I think you could be suffering from conf bias (providing you're not scum of course)

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, I'm not gonna lie, I had a lot of quotes and a vote for you, but then a lot of it got covered as I was going through the pages. It was what was left.

This really isn't good enough. I have no idea where you stand on what is happening in the thread right now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That's cute.

I guess I'm gonna have to lynch you.

You can have until tomorrow though because I'm busy right now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll be catching up with this today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

All he's done is basically say gee Fire, you need reasons. He's trying to deflect attention off himself.

Now, onto the actual issues you're expressing now. First, SC was hyper about the wagon but this seems a little semantic or a differnce of what is called hyper. SC was very vocal about getting people to hurry up and wagon our slot before we could post. If I thought it was aggressive, I'd say aggressive. Maybe impulsive you'd like better, but he was definitely pushing that hard.

Bullshit on town being more likely to make consistency mistakes. Town should be clear and transparent with their reads. If not, they are doing it wrong.

SC "pushing" fire is because he's desperate to have a place to go that isn't him.

Can you respond to my concerns about GL BBT?

~MamaBear

I disagree that he is trying to deflect attention away from him - how would you expect town!SC to react?

Again, I disagree that SC was pushing hard for your wagon. I don't see it. Scum are much less likely to make consistency mistakes because they're always thinking about what they post and does it fit with the narrative they're trying to sell. Town don't think about such things and are much more likely to post instinctively/on the fly without checking whether what they're saying lines up with previous posting. It's not bullshit, it's legit.

We have been trying not to clutter the thread because we both generally post a butt ton.

-Dad

OK, well I'm not asking you to clutter the thread. I'm asking you to take over some of the posting from Titus.

I don't think I ever pushed NH, I poked at them to get a reaction and develop a read. If I were pushing them I'd be voting them.

My phrasing there isn't clear though, at the time I was null on SirCakez. I wanted to emphasize that I didn't think their reasons for scumreading him were all that alignment indicative. Basically, instead of reading it as "I'm seeing him scum, but not as much as they are", which seems to be how you're interpreting it, it should be read like "I see what they're saying, but I don't think it necessarily makes him scum".

I thought their points in 83 were valid, but then their 90 was way overconfident and I don't see pro-town motivation in it. Further, 106 didn't really show any of the deeper level thinking or doubt that I was looking for with my question, it was just "he's scummy". Again, I didn't really disagree with their points about SC, but I didn't think they were as indicative as NH seemingly thinks they are in 90 and 106.

Maybe pushed was too strong - you certainly looked interested in going down that avenue though. The avenue you led them down with your question.

Your phrasing was perfectly clear but now you're trying to change it. It's not 'how I'm interpreting it' it's exactly what your words were saying.

So the reason I asked that question to NH is because I'm not seeing SirCakez

as strongly scum as they are

- their push feels forced.

The 'as' is key, it implies you at least agree to an extent with what NH are seeing. So it's pretty scummy for you to try and turn this around to say I'm interpreting your posts incorrectly, I think you realised you couldn't respond to my post and as such needed to try and change the original meaning of what you wrote.

I'm reading it all and I'm trying to figure out who I want to work with / who sounds reasonable. It's not quite so cut and dry this game, and it's early going, and I don't have experience with most of these players. It's not like I've played twenty games with Titus and can magically townread her, or throw out "BBT is scum" because we're always opposite alignment.

There must be some sort of contribution you can make?

I liked his question to NH in 103 and his explanation in 108. I can see not liking his later posts, although 204 looks like he did actually put thought into what he was doing and is able to explain it again.

Tell me specifically what you liked about his question and explanation because I have a serious problem with both of them. What do you think of the above regarding GL? What can you see to 'dislike' about GL's posting?

I am fine with lynching BBT or Night Hunters I am sure at least one of the two is scum.

Walk me through this?

@BBT or @GL: could you explain why agreeing with someone is scummy?

What is this in reference to?

#232 and 233

I am sorry. I may be a mama hen but I absolutely do not run a charity house. You're griping that I'm uncharitable. Well, if scum are obvious, they are obvious. I don't do pity parties for scum who do not fake reads well. Here, I find it very telling you're saying that there's evidence against SirCakez but there's not enough for a legitimate scumread. You're criticizing the validity of my read while hand waiving the inconsistencies in SirCakez's read on us. We can play the semantic game about whether he was "hyper" about pushing my wagon, but SirCakez was. Then, he was objecting to a counterwagon on his town read. He needs rope for that.

You're attempting to copy and mutilate arguments BBT made against your push on us. Bbt caught you using a leading question and you've changed it to a response to a question means someone else cannot use it.

~Mom

Titus, how do you feel about lynching GL Today? I still really dislike your SC push and I wish you would stop with it

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How are you arriving at NH, Firebringer, and BBT all at town-leans given the current dynamics of the game? Namely, BBT has called out NH, and Firebringer seems to think there is one scum in NH/BBT. Also, given that GuiltyLion is a large part of the current focus with these players, where do you lean on him and why?

Why are you proposing that NH/Fire/myself cannot all be town?

Looking back that sounds scummy, I'm an Intern by the way, so when one if you PRs dies, I replace you.

This game is just too funny.

Two people voted Tojam after he softed a PR and I need to look up who it was.

Anyone continuing to vote Fire/Tojam are scum claiming.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Kirr and Shadow - I'm not a fan of the posting from either of these slots either.

I have far, far too many scum reads in this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VC 1.8

VC 1.8

(With 13 students still enrolled, it's 7 to Lynch!)

[L-3] tojam2 -

GuiltyLion, ɀefiend, kirroha, shaddowez

What are the chances that we have two scum on this wagon already?

That is one ugly ass wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You questioned how he arrived at the reads - that leads me to believe you disagree with them because if you thought it was possible then you wouldn't have questioned it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT is continuing to obvtown.
-Dad

Let's discuss this, shall we?

1. I had not noticed tojam's early vote on SirCakez til this post and I went back and re-read. After seeing it and realizing that his next post is hopping from SC to you, I find this wishy-washy and certainly potential posturing against town!SirCakez. It gives me a town-lean on you and SirCakez because tojam's latest post(s?) have not changed my mind that he's scummy. Would you agree with this assessment?

2. What do you think of shaddowez' post 214? Lots of good questions and content. How does this post and other shaddowez actions fit into your posturing investigaton?

3. Since I never actually voted for SirCakez, did my exchange with him give you the impression that I was pushing him? If you have time to read all of it, what is your over-all take-away from both our stances during the exchange and how does my behavior fit into your posturing investigation?

4. This looks like possible shadow-casting. Would you agree? massive has been getting stronger on my scumdar and if SirCakez is town I definitely see the alleged posturing here.

1. I would agree with that assessment completely, but tojam has since outright claimed a PR which means he is probably town
UNVOTE:

2. 214 is a very townie-looking post - most of it aligns exactly with how I was reading things. Shaddowez is certainly not the first person I would come after for posturing, but I've also never played with or read from much from him before so I don't have any beat on how capable he is as scum.

3. Your initial exchange with him did give me the impression that you were setting yourself up to move there, particularly "I see things that are worrisome but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt" is exactly the kind of thing scum would say if they want to look like they're scumreading someone but don't want to jump on yet while everyone else is doing their dirty work.

I also didn't understand how your question about the logical train of thought (A therefore B) would uncover anything alignment indicative, and I wanted to see where you took that, but then you dropping the conversation left the exchange overall rather null for me. Can you explain how this lead you to townread SirCakez?

4. Yes, massive is currently in my lynchpool for today

Kirroha still hasn't followed up on her catchup despite posting in multiple other games today. Getting scum vibes there now, feels like she's dodging the game.
I also don't like how massive is still voting Firebringer despite the PR claim.

Your phrasing was perfectly clear but now you're trying to change it. It's not 'how I'm interpreting it' it's exactly what your words were saying.

The 'as' is key, it implies you at least agree to an extent with what NH are seeing. So it's pretty scummy for you to try and turn this around to say I'm interpreting your posts incorrectly, I think you realised you couldn't respond to my post and as such needed to try and change the original meaning of what you wrote.

This is garbage. I literally explained that I did agree with what NH was seeing in that I also -see- it. I did not agree that it was necessarily scummy, especially not to the degree that NH is saying. We agree on what SirCakez did, we disagreed that it meant he was scum, and NH further polluted the read and drove me away from the wagon with 90 and 106, and making a bunch of arguments that assume SirCakez is scum first to describe his posts second ("he's asking for a bailout, he's faking his reads").

tojam2 continues to look like scum with a fakeclaim ready.

Alright, my lynch pool is slowly narrowing.

I don't want to lynch Fire, Tojam, GL, NH, and SC.

Everyone else is varying degrees of 'need to do more' or 'I could lynch today'. I would really like to get a massive wagon going as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Forgot I had quoted them; read this post with the one above.

Dwlee, can you explain how I'm obvtowning? Not something people usually say about me.

GL, are you reading Shadow as town for 214 or is it just a townie looking post? To me, it looks like a whole load of easy questions that scum could ask and outside of that, Shadow is a non-presence. I'm also happy with your 318 as a response.

I agree with SC that massive/Kirr are looking like good lynch options.

Kirr continuing to push Tojam after he has claimed PR w/ no counter (a PR that will never be left alive no less) is pretty scummy and she needs to be lynched.

Ideally, we would get wagons forming on both massive and Kirr.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Kirr

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I missed Kirr's 330 somehow. This game is gonna be fun. Dwlee, how do you get an obvtown gut read?

VOTE: massive

[BlueBloodedToffee]

tojam2 continues to look like scum with a fakeclaim ready.

Meh. Did tojam actually claim? That's why I shouldn't post from my phone ugh. I miss out posts.

Yeah I know that sounds scummy as hell but gimme some time to read this game yeah?

I crumbed my role too. I do have a PR as well.

Like, how can I be so obviously town that you can't explain it?

Are you interested in a massive wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Meh, we're not going to get anywhere with this.

Titus, come explain your massive town read when you can please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I know, that's why I said when she can.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Is that the only read you two disagree on?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Which ones did you talk about?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How are you reading GL now? Why did you choose those reads to talk about?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think GL is town so I'm not interested in that wagon.

Does the scum read still boil down to his defence of SC?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Kirr, what is massive contributing to the town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think GL is town, and at the very least I am not interested in lynching him today.

Massive very much has my attention though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I feel quite conflicted on the NH slot, but I'm not interested in sorting them fully Today. I have seen enough posts that I think have town motivation behind them to sort them as town for now and begin to look elsewhere.

Usually, on D1, you can guarantee one or two scum will just take a backseat and watch the action unfold due to the amount of town to scum ratio. They don't need to do anything, just sit back and let town drive the game state (intercept as and when they need to). These are the scum I'm trying to weed out and massive fits the bill.

Kirr, try to look past the meta arguments and look at the content that is being posted.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thor, I am disappointed you left the massive wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ooh Cakey wagon coming back.

It really isn't.

You're helping scum push a counter-wagon. Stop it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I guess I'll catch up with this now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well we got a problem then. Your play boils down to scumread the noons and it's a place town winds up a lot.

I want GL SC or Jeanne ATM.

You didn't answer my question. Does the scum read still come down to his defence of SC? Because I'm not buying the 'broken record' schtick you're trying to sell right now. If you consistently attack someone, they're going to consistently defend themselves.

Can you rephrase that sentence about my play as well? I don't understand it.

and BBT is still mistaking "contribution" for actual scumminess.

No, I'm reading your lack of contribution as scummy. I'm not sure how you're missing this.

Unvote: Massive
Vote: Firebringer

That is an awful vote.

SirCakez had a shitty scum trajectory.

~Mom

Walk me through SC's 'scum trajectory' please.

Who is the scum in this scenario? Aristophanes?

It would be massive. Though I'm doubting it now.

I am disappointed that you are not addressing my reasons for doing so or offering a valid explanation of why the massive wagon is good to lure me back in a proactive manner, and are instead doing this.

Could you sheep me while you try to decide on how to explain your massive case? I promise good things.

You offered no reasons. You're also trying to lynch a claimed PR which is scummy as fuck and I know you'd have the balls to try this shit as scum.

I offered my reasons on massive, you obviously didn't think they were good enough for you to join the wagon.

Thor gives me bad vibes. :I

-Dad

I agree with this.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I will keep looking to see what you're getting at since I am pretty sure you're town.

~Mom

What? Why is Thor town?

Kirroha has half a brain, or should I say Radiant Cowballs?

Kirr is an RC alt?

Our kitchen could use renovations. Particularly the countertops.

VOTE: Firebringer

~Mom

What is going on here. This is going to be a rough ride for town if both Thor and Titus are scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What specifically about MY lack of contribution do you think is alignment-indicative? Why does it only apply to me and not to, say, Jeanne or Aristophanes?

Firstly, your attempt to deflect onto other players is noted.

Secondly, you're much more important for me to gain a read on out of the 3 and I think you know why.

Can you tell me why you're not contributing?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I am intrigued that as I come in and start a hard push on scum the massive wagon disintegrates and the Cake wagon builds.

Hardly. Massive lost two votes (one of which was yours) and the other vote was from massive to SC. What was your point here?

He's setting himself up as a slot that can do nothing all day, and justify lack of death late game.

Orrrrr, he's setting himself up to be a useless slot so he gets the maximum usage out of his role as scum will consider him as no threat?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm caught up.

That FB wagon is scummy as fuck. I want to do this;

VOTE: Thor

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Everyone needs to take a minute and consider why they're lynching a claimed PR on D1. They will sort themselves out over time, lynching them D1 is super bad play and anti-town.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I did. Lynching a claimed PR is still awful on D1. If they're all still around on D3, then we can start talking.

Not D1. Thry should be left alone D1.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thoughts on Thor SC? Lynching a claimed PR is just awful and the amount of people accepting that it's OK to lynch a PR on D1 is astounding.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Massive, join me on the Thor wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can we reverse that proposition? I think my wagon is much more likely to take off.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thor is nowhere near obvtown.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Thor is town because he's trying to lynch a PR?

Give me a break Titus.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Man, I'm so tempted to lynch NH now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aero, you're the best.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I mean, let's give Fire a day and see what happens.

He said it's provable. Lynching him today is so bad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Feel like NH is buddying Thor and it's making me uncomfortable.

I can see what you're saying. I'm just asking for time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Titus, tell me why scum!Thor would NOT push FB.

Dwlee, have your bad vibes on Thor disappeared?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Too many people doing fuck all and I can see this ending in a no lynch already.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Fire, join the Thor wagon?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

My bad, I like your vote.

SC, join the Thor wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your vote is doing nothing on Kirr and it's a pretty bad vote anyway.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

2 more votes please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, then why are you allowing Titus to spout all of this 'obvtown' bullshit about Thor?

PEdit - The case against Thor is that he is trying to lynch a claimed PR.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I haven't talked with titus much recently but I know they're a better player and I can trust their reads.
-Dad

This is bad.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, Titus is scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: NH

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, NH's buddying of Thor is making me real nervous.

Thor is an asset to town if he is town. I want to give him some time.

NH has been bugging me all game, I won't be getting off this wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Come on, we can get this wagon going.

SC, jump on and we're on a roll.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Hell no, it's too late for a consensus.

You've had long enough for that bullshit. You're eating rope today.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Lynching Jeanne tells us next to nothing, that's a wagon for another day (and much earlier in the day).

Not now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

SC is town Thor.

We're not lynching a claimed PR man, come on. FFS.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Aren't role madness games bastard?

It wasn't advertised as bastard.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There are many times and games where one does exactly that.

This is one of them.

Come on man, this isn't your first rodeo, why do you spout newbie theory to me as if it's gospel?

Because it's basic mafia game play.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well, shit. I didn't know that.

Does role madness mean we have no VTs? Consider me a newb as of now because this is all unknown to me and why I mostly avoid themes.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Now is not the time Titus.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't have a lot of time but Mum and Dad implied a protective role for me. Not tracker.

I don't buy it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Tojam wagon is ugly.