A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[dramonic]

As if we need a reason

Vote: Friendless

[dramonic]

ok, maybe we can lynch this clownfuck instead.

[dramonic]

yeah ok

Vote: Axelrod

serious vote.

[dramonic]

Hi Sakura o/

yeah ok

Vote: Axelrod

serious vote.

Are you implying the Seniors wagon isn't serious?

Seniors is policy tho.

[dramonic]

I am obv towning so the only noteworthy thing is the Tictac read which I disagree with

VI and proud heh?

[dramonic]

dramonic vote for PP w/ me please

Dram no vote with me.

If either of you can provide me with a good reason to ignore obvscum Axel, then sure?

[dramonic]

podo is probably also scum.

[dramonic]

that's 3 scum.

[dramonic]

Jester is bastard, whoever mentioned that.
Dram who are the 3 scum?

axel podo davesaz

[dramonic]

SUBTLE

[dramonic]

8 terrible votes on the wall
8 terrible votes~

[dramonic]

VOTE: Seniors

I am going to stop throwing hissy fits and actually play the game properly now

That`s a really short time to contradict yourself.

8 terrible votes on the wall
8 terrible votes~

want me to drive the wagon off them and onto you?

~M

A shitty vote up there or a shitty vote on me, what does it matter?

Dram are you townreading Seniors and Mirhawk seriously?

More than the other three by a large margin.

[dramonic]

In separate news, I'm not seeing anything town from Dramonic. Is this normal for him?

Repeating question since I didn't see much response to it. I think Dramonic is scum flying under the radar, but I don't know if this is normal for him.
Scum reads with no apparent reasons, avoiding big wagons, not addressing the topics of the day -> classic active lurking scum mode, IMO.
VOTE: Dramonic

Please discuss.

I would ask if there's a reason you seek so much approval, but I'm not a fan of rethorics.

[dramonic]

lol

[dramonic]

You'll notice that two of my three scumreads are on my wagon.
HOW CONVENIENT!~

EDIT: I don't think cakez likes me.
EDITx2: I play like this when scum is running around being obv. Why the fuck would I put an effort in the game with three scums screamin around and being ignored?

[dramonic]

dram tbf you aren't really doing much

At least

I'm

voting scum

[dramonic]

You might be but I am too

Not seeing it honestly.

Anyone who does what he's doing deserves pressure.

catch scum?

[dramonic]

I'm actually in class, ignoring everything the teacher is saying. I've nothing to do besides spam the f5 key <.<

[dramonic]

Didn't know it'd been that long since my last post.

[dramonic]

I don't think I've ever seen a town!Dramonic, but the couple times I remember seeing him as scum he was just as minimalist as he is now, but he actually tried to look like he was scum hunting, not just the blatant nothing but droning on about a couple reads he has.

Not helpful but there you go.

Im very helpful, i caught three scum.
You guys are just too [redacted] to lynch them :3

[dramonic]

I could vote you, that would probably divert the lynch away from you

[dramonic]

Is ranger an hydra?

[dramonic]

vote: Axel

you people

[dramonic]

oh hey, there's one scum and one moron voting me.
That's annoying.

[dramonic]

[quote="In post 2470, davesaz"][/quote]

[dramonic]

the fuck happened to that quote.

[dramonic]

look at that scum wagon, what an unexpected result!~
Can we PLEASE get our heads out of our ass and lynch some scum?
Three easy options: Axel, Podo, Davestaz (or however it's spelled).
I mean fuck, look at that "wagon analysis" and tell me it's town. Do it.

[dramonic]

Axel - what's your huge objection to NKA? It definitely has uses.

My objection is that it doesn't work. At least, not the kind of NKA that goes "scum killed X, so, therefore, the scum are probably the people who X did not like..."

That's not analysis, that's idiocy.

[dramonic]

SpyreX sure.

[dramonic]

yo itle

[dramonic]

I'm tired of scum coasting, but we can't have everything we want.

[dramonic]

You really have no idea what coasting means, it's super endearing.

[dramonic]

I'm tired of scum coasting, but we can't have everything we want.

Do we have Irony Awards on this site? If so, can I nominate this post?

You and podo needs to ask Daves if he understands what coasting means so he can teach you, cuz you're both

really

missing the mark.

We appear to be lynching town. Again.
Can we not?

[dramonic]

Sorry Dram but Axel has some decent posts, case pls?

*cricket*

[dramonic]

If I had to consolidate, it'd be on VOTE: Axel for his posts reeking of effort concealing motivation.

Not the biggest fan of my wagonmates but I'm not too fond of the other wagons.

Still mostly V/LA; will get access again later tonight.

*furious dryhumping*

In the meantime, I'll put my vote somewhere I know it belongs. VOTE: dramonic. I get that he's a better vig target, but he's the only person I consider obvscum right now, so that's where I'm gonna park while I finish up some projects over the next two days.

Multiple people have repeatedly talked about and referenced games where dramonic does this as town as well. While I could expect a vote for uselessness, it concerns me that you seem to ignore those points and continue on with just calling him obvscum.

I know your play and I know you're not a shallow thinker. So what's up here?

He's scum is what's up

He's just scumreading the people who are attacking his play.

I'm pretty sure I called out all three of your asses before you adressed me.

VOTE: Podo Dram is actually just town this game, sry mate.

I have absolutely no idea how you came to that conclusion, and I'm legitimately confused as to how you can't see my logic.

1) I think that dram's play is unreadable by its very nature. I think that's a liability for town.
2) I think that dram's play and lack of contribution is scummy, and leads him to be an incredibly easy lynch in the late game. I think that's a liability for town if dram is town, and we should cut our losses early in that case.
3) I also think dram is obvscum based on his bad scumreads, providing no reasoning as to why they're scumreads, and not cooperating with town in any meaningful way.

Right now, any of those three reasons alone is more than enough to make me feel comfortable with dram's lynch. While dram is a better vig hit, I don't feel comfortable right now parking on anybody else, because I don't feel comfortable with the lynch of any other players without further review, which I can't get done at the moment. So if somebody gets lynched while I'm getting work done, I'd much rather it be dram than anybody else, because dram at least

needs

to be removed from this game for the benefit of town.

I understand if you disagree with any of that logic, fine. But I believe you can see where I'm coming from here, and if you scumread me for it, I'm honestly confused as to how you're drawing that conclusion.

That is one shitty excuse to vote me mate. You're "not comfortable" voting someone else without review? That is such wishy-washy bull

His reads aren't solid. I know I'm town, I don't scumread Axel right now, and I'm no longer convinced about tictac. I can see either of them flipping scum at some point, but their alignment is not obvious, and picking the three players he did as early as he did and not wavering is incredibly scummy. It's without logic, and it's proven without logic, BECAUSE HE REFUSES TO PROVIDE LOGIC DESPITE BEING ASKED TO ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, INCLUDING

FROM YOU

.

I'm not going to waver unless you provide a reason for me to, but every post you make just confirms my read further so...

Not only is this eight word post from dramonic useless, off base, and not used to support any meaningful dialog, but it's against YOUR SLOT, which theoretically you should KNOW is town. How could you possibly use this as evidence to read dramonic as town, enough to almost consider him obvtown?

Okay, I want everyone to take a moment to read that quote and tell me what sort of town tries to convince someone of a read by saying "But he attacked you, therefore he must be scum!"

So I guess the answer to the rest of that post would be that yeah, you're just a bad player

it's very unlikely that i'm going to want a dram lynch today, but the way he's pushing it is town town town town town town town

TPP come on

VOTE: Skybird

Whatever, I'm back here.

And after I dryhumped you for a good fifteen minutes. SHAME man.

[dramonic]

Not only is this eight word post from dramonic useless, off base, and not used to support any meaningful dialog, but it's against YOUR SLOT, which theoretically you should KNOW is town. How could you possibly use this as evidence to read dramonic as town, enough to almost consider him obvtown?

Okay, I want everyone to take a moment to read that quote and tell me what sort of town tries to convince someone of a read by saying "But he attacked you, therefore he must be scum!"

So I guess the answer to the rest of that post would be that yeah, you're just a bad player

I know that he bolded it for me, but I want to make sure everybody sees this glorious

m

i

s

r

e

p

.

Please do read it in its context, which dramonic somehow failed to include.

itlepip uses a very short post from dramonic in which dramonic casts a minimal amount of suspicion on beeboy as a reason to townread dramonic. I see a problem with this, because it feels to me like itlepip shouldn't read that as town. The problem is that itlepip (theoretically) knows that his slot is town, and dramonic shouldn't be casting suspicion on a town slot for basically no reason.

itlepip has the knowledge that his slot is town, which should make him MORE suspicious of you, rather than less.

That is...
so WRONG! <3

[dramonic]

I would expect your slot to see that, since it was targeted AT your slot. More than anybody, town!you should see the problem that you're making me point out and defend.

I'm fascinated that you can say bullshit like that with a straight face.

So......itlepip isn't town. Cool. That's kind of what I was expecting at this point anyway.

That's not what I'm saying at all.

[dramonic]

I'll be here later, but I'm liking a lot of everyone on the last page so

That's... a really useless statement.
Zero opinions, just hearts for everyone, really?

[dramonic]

I'll be here later, but I'm liking a lot of everyone on the last page so

That's... a really useless statement.
Zero opinions, just hearts for everyone, really?

lol irony

at least they're town!

Yes, cuz I've been VERY subtle about my opinions

[dramonic]

town: Mirhawk, ogre, cakez, pogo, pistachion,

itlepip

, Friendless Seniors,

Beeboy

{Skybird, cakez, dramonic}
Null: Sakura, axel, cakez
{marquis, Davesaz, cerb}
scum: pied piper, tictac, The wrong lynch

The bolded are the same slot Hippy, wake up.

3013 moves axel to town.

lawl

[dramonic]

That post is a dance of dickriding and you're the boner it's aimed at.

[dramonic]

Vote: piper

I feel bad for Nacho =/

[dramonic]

Because Plot is making some very newbscum plays lately and I know he's a strong player.

[dramonic]

Unrelated: For fuck's sake stop this awful color-quoting clownfuckery. Especially Itlepip with the nuclear lemon yellow.

[dramonic]

Anyways. Hey dram. Why does plot, a good player, doing newbscum things, make them likely to be scum? That doesn't actually make sense.

I'm calling Nacho a strong player, not Plot.

Sigh. They're gonna win this game aren't they

Yes, because you won't lynch their scumbuddies.

Fire Emblem was like the largest Day 1 in MS history and had some pretty awesome mechanics with children/players *entering* the game.
Have fun with that

I QUESTION THIS STATEMENT

[dramonic]

@Dram: It's silly, I agree, but it should tell you something: I'm not a newb. You're going to have to use grown up tells on me instead.

You're sucking up to the wrong player sweetcheeks.

[dramonic]

VOTE: The Pied Piper
Lots of information, especially about previous games. Don't see an application of all that content to this game. Don't see penetrating analysis of events that might be expected.

This is a terrible vote. As itlepip said, burden of proficiency. Your problem with the slot is that they haven't provided "penetrating analysis". Seriously?

Proficiency doesn't factor. The ratio of useless info is the key part.

Disagree. All their posts contain substance.

This is a slot changing their reads based on convenience (Scumreads all day yesterday...now hard townreads me to no tomorrow? Same with people like skybird.

Her

Their read progression is illogical, fake, planned.

why do you keep saying things that aren't true? (hint: I'm not hardtownreading you. you're just town enough that you're not my priority to sort right now. )

Plot is very good at recreating meta; but the important thing is that,

she

they actively tries to recreate it.

Shes

They've gotten caught doing that poorly.

Plot is very good at recreating meta;

doing that poorly.

very good

poorly

you can't have it both ways. Either I'm very good at it and wouldn't do it poorly, or I'm not very good at it and am therefore doing it poorly.

FAAAAAAAAAAAALSE DICHOTOMYYYYYYYYY

PP, some kind of signature would be useful. I've completely given up on reading which head is which at this point.

Easy. If it seems town it's nacho, if it's obvscum it's Plot.

[dramonic]

Fire Emblem was like the largest Day 1 in MS history and had some pretty awesome mechanics with children/players *entering* the game.
Have fun with that

I QUESTION THIS STATEMENT

What's to question?

Largest days in a Large Game
# Game Day Posts Notes
1 Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia. Day 1 4198

I thought it was fun

Pretty sure it was the largest game for a bit too.

WERE YOU IN IT? O.O

I was not, but I don't want my Largest Game record contested!

[dramonic]

I want to lynch TPP even more than yesterday

Vote: TPP

[dramonic]

safety prodge

[dramonic]

Btw in all seriousness if we can get 1 more town person town just has auto this game.
Current town circle of loverlyness

Cake
Marquis
Cerb
Dav
Mala
True
Pistach
Pip

with maybe Dram or Dwlee entering as the last slot.

There's scum in your townbloc mate

[dramonic]

Also Dram I'm pretty sure cerb is town. If Axel and Mir are both town I might go back but I super doubt it.

I am curious how you assumed I was referring to Cerb

Why have we not lynched FS yet?

Because lynching scum is more important than lynching town.

[dramonic]

Every single time I open this game I come a little closer to understanding how kuribo feels.

the fake is real

[dramonic]

christ I feel really bad for Nacho

[dramonic]

christ I feel really bad for Nacho

You just said nacho was fake and now you feel bad for him?

I feel bad for him cuz of his hydra buddy vomiting obvscum all over the thread. I like nacho!~

[dramonic]

Occam's Razor: [...] Plot are not sloppy scum players

This game is evidence of the contrary.

[dramonic]

Hippy, get your angry head out of your ass and vote actual scum, kthx.

[dramonic]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.
Except Dwlee cuz that concept hasn't crossed his mind yet.
But you could AT LEAST do the right thing and vote them.

[dramonic]

I never called Cerb scum. Considering my ISO is almost entirely one-liners I'm sure you could be half-assed to go through it and find out by yourself. And my case has generally been "I've been reading the game, they're obvscum, you guys are idiots".
How is this news to you?
Podo-Axel-TPP-[dav but theres an inno on him for now] is what I've been saying.

[dramonic]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.

^
There's my case for not making a case.

@Flubber

: Confirm/Deny that you are neighbor with TPP?

[dramonic]

I'm not "not going to put in any effort", but TPP is so obvscum with every post and people are apparently giving them a free pass of trashplay because "well they're not sloppy!~<3"

Take my position, if I were to claim scum right here, right now, and people called me town, would you be pleased?

[dramonic]

I'm not "not going to put in any effort", but TPP is so obvscum with every post and people are apparently giving them a free pass of trashplay because "well they're not sloppy!~<3"

Take my position, if I were to claim scum right here, right now, and people called me town, would you be pleased?

There are two people who have said that about them. Marquis, and myself. There's a bunch of other slots in the game that simply doesn't see what you see.

Show them. I don't even agree with you(clearly), but I want you actually in the game man. :-/

Ugh, fiiiiiiine =_=
Ya better be fucking grateful. Ill soup up a post later, busy right now

[dramonic]

Wow.
Really people?

[dramonic]

@Cerb

: your opinion on Marquis' case?

[dramonic]

Im not swayed either way by Itle. Did you read Marquis' case FS?

[dramonic]

Maybe I'm blind but it's not nearly as damning an indictment as I'd hoped for.

See, this is why I'm willing to discuss with you <w<

@SC

: lol...

@Marq:

I'll let you take the time to fill your case since you mentionned you were rushing off, but that is pretty heavy straw-grasping of a case RN.

PEDIT: OH FFS

[dramonic]

What about if Mirhawk flips town?
Then what are you gonna do?

EDIT: my ffs was at FS, not at you cerb.
You're reasonable

normally...

[dramonic]

Wow that fucking sucks. Seriously wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff


Did Dwlee pushing you really scare you that much. Wioja;jas[do kjsd;vksja;vjasdh;sfhds;fjkhapsdfkjsadfjkas;dlfkja[goijgpjnoiwjfas;dfjn;aslkefjowiejfas;dfka[soin[adfvn[vna[dfiopdfivapiv[eofq[oewi[woeirqpiowerqowieruqeiortweiruotdfghskdfgmcxvn,mnxcvkjdfgadhg[iowerqjfpjibnpgifjsadjkfjaksdfo[iqwerioqweuwerutewiurtojkfalsjkdfhsajkldhfpqiweroqirhtpkjdasidfhpasjghpqutq[erituhdfjdjjahksdjklhfdsjklhasdfjkhldfsahjklasjhklfsadjhklfdsajhkfsdjhklafjhadfsjkhasfjhkadfsjhklsdjflhkafsdjklhasdf


Like seriously, just say that Flubber is a 1 shot neighborizer, and bullshit like that and don't reveal the fucking rest. UGH. And now we need to save cakez b/c he was already in the auto circle adsf;akldfj;ah;aihs;fajs;fkwiofhas;dfjakdsfasdfalsjdhfa;sgashf;kfhjas;ifuhase;fhjsd;fk

I probably could have and would have gone about it a better way if I wasn't tired and cranky, but the "role bullshit" talk was more than just Dwlee; it was a pretty decent chunk of the town that was frustrated with it and I always feel that a united town is better than a divided one, and, welp.

There are not enough vigs on MS to shoot this post enough times.
This has got to compete for most transparently fake BS appeasement post 2016.

[dramonic]

Crumbed shooting snarky is a really bad reason to think cakez is the vig, since several people kept saying he should be vigged........unless there was something he said that was a more obvious crumb, I guess. Feels like a weird conclusion to arrive at with that evidence.

Also kinda ridiculous to expose your hood. For...no benefit? Oh, and another slots BP, also exposed.

...

I don't understand the info dump.

I could expand the reasoning of course but this seems like one of those things that isn't a great idea.

You already pretended to have info that turned out to be bull as a method of self-preservation once, I STRONGLY SUGGEST not trying the same dumb trick again!~
Then again, it would work on this town.

[dramonic]

nah, he's just an idiot.
Moving along, that's a pretty bad lynch list you've got TO. 4 town 1 scum?

[dramonic]

If you include the compromise list he has 5. Please learn to read kthx.

[dramonic]

*But I think I'm a bit behind on your scumreads at this point in time.
You had Axel Podo dave
Then at some point you added Piper
And I guess at some point you removed dave, otherwise you'd be worried about Marquis
So now it's Axel podo Piper?
Were you surprised at Skybird's scumflip?
And Piper bussed Skybird?
That last question is really the crux.
Note: I'll also accept "Piper's the SK" because that's crossed my mind.

I have Axel, Podo, Piper as priorities right now.
I still think Dav is sketchy, but with the inno on him the only possibility is investigation immunity and my read on him is hardly strong enough to scream godfather at this point in time. Regardless one of him or Marquis is bound to get shot in a timely fashion so itll possibly resolve iteself.
Was I surprised at Skybird's scumflip, meh? I mean, it's a 20(?)p game, there has to be more than my scumreads that flip mafia and Sky was far from my concern. She wasn't screaming town for sure, but she didn't grab my attention with her scumplay like the others.
Piper did bus Sky, clearly. Why I can't say, cuz I don't think that lynch was irrevocable and their voice does sway a lot of players around here so they could probably have swung the worshippers elsewhere. Mystery for the ages~
Is Piper SK, I very very VERY much doubt that. Unless you think they latched onto a perceived crumb knowing it was obviously wrong just to troll around. It seems like a really poor stall if so.

And I think that covers that? Did I miss something?

[dramonic]

I am NOT seeing the analogy 0_o

[dramonic]

:shrug:
it's a two-way street, ask real questions and I'll give real answers.

[dramonic]

Anyone who read 4590 and 4640 and still isn't voting TPP...
Sad.

[dramonic]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah no you're scum.
That shitty little "but wait, there's more!~" attempt, that awful speculation based on vig requests, that mudslinging at people who actually see you're BSing, that appeasement aimed @TO, that "we're good so don't question us" asbsurdity...
Please Plot, do you REALLY think I'm that stupid?

[dramonic]

No I'm referring to you saying you have MORE PR info just so we won't lynch your obvious ass.
Also good reply, ignore the post and say "you said you'd lynch me in the past!", 5/5 would read again.

[dramonic]

That shitty little "but wait, there's more!~" attempt

,

that awful speculation based on vig requests,

that mudslinging at people who actually see you're BSing

,

that appeasement aimed @TO

,

that "we're good so don't question us" asbsurdity...

I'm not sure what that wizard stuff is about

This is part of why you don't understand what we were doing.

I do however still have problems with the "exaggeration" over how many PR's were on the line.

Nacho didn't out every single person that we have a PR read on. You pushing at this angle bothers me because the only way that we can prove we weren't exaggerating is to list the rest of them and that would be anti-town as hell.

Nacho was able to talk about it without saying everything but I wouldn't have been because I only have two modes: cryptic and verbose and I can't choose between them very well. The entire thing is a lot of threads tangled together in my head and I can't just pull one thread out and show it to you because of the way it is all interconnected.

I do however believe that any lying being done to other members of the town does have to be for some kind of tangible benefit. If you can't trust the word of other townies the game become exponentially more difficult for town.

It sounds like you think that we're town, and you know that we're not village idiots, and therefore it is not too much to ask for you to have extended some measure of trust towards us that even if you couldn't fully understand why we're doing something, we're doing it for good reason that will make sense in a day phase or two.

I

don't think everyone pushing us to reveal information that we hinted would be anti town to reveal is town, but a number of you must be town and it's baffling.

You know, by my reckoning Tictac should have used their investigation night two. I don't recall Tictac or Flubber ever saying they had used one. Did I miss this?

They were pretty obviously getting vigged night 2 so they needed to use their bulletproof shot instead to have a chance at surviving long enough to investigate. That's part of what we were doing on day 2 with implying that they were town in a way that could be construed as an inno: trying to prevent them from getting vigged.

Can we just lynch FS and cut all of...

this

*vague hand wave* short?

Yes, please.

which is fucking bogus

you know I'm town marquis

What is the scum motivation for removing Mala and davesaz from the mislynch pool? Who is Marquis scum together with that he's drowning in mislynches and can afford to do that?

Ugh.

If I am town, to your town perspective, lynching me today and dying leaves this town COMPLETELY DIRECTIONLESS.

VOTE: cerb

Fuck it. He has done nothing, and is completely and entirely coasting. TPP is probably scum but unlikely to get lynched. I'll deal with that in the future.

This tack kinda worked pretty well Day 1 when you were under pressure.
Nothing like successes of the past to inform future actions.

Funnily enough I'm not even in disagreement with you regarding Cerb atm.

As far as directionless though, that's just fearmongering pure and simple.

This.

I mean, simply put, the majority of what's been used as reasons to believe FS is scum, is crap. None of the cases presented have resonated with me at all. They havent been terrible crap, so bad that I still remember what I hated about them or felt the need to point out flaws, but they all seemed to lack solid foundation of actual scummy behavior.

What don't you like about my case against Seniors? Respond to my points in it rather than just discrediting it.

o, after all the hinting, does this boil down to: "We think TicTac/Flubber is Town b/c they neighborized us on N1 and they sound very Townie in the neighborhood?" b/c there's nothing about the role (as claimed) that makes it Town, and Tic's posting in this game thread is pretty medium. Also, if you were scum with a Neighborize, how would you use it? Don't you hit up someone in the Town you think you can get on their good side of? I'm not sure about your logic of "they wouldn't pick me if they were scum b/c they would be afraid I would see through them." And TicTac made himself bulletproof on N2 and no one died so maybe the vig. took a shot at him? Which is possible, but also doesn't say anything about TicTac's alignment. The fact they still have an investigate in their pocket also seems somewhat convenient. That would have been the first thing I shot off if I had those abilities.

You don't understand how newbies think. The rest of us know that you only need five completed games to be an IC and we think "five games? that's not that many. i was practically a newbie myself when i only had five completed games! oh man I was so dumb back then."

Newbies look up to the IC. They think "wow, this player is super experienced and in my last game they figured out that players were town when i couldn't see them as town and they figured out who the scum was when the scum tricked me and they're going to figure out this game too!!!" If they're town, they also think thoughts like "I really hope my IC isn't scum because they could trick me and I would never know it!" and if they're scum they think "oh no the IC is going to catch me they have x-ray vision I need to find some way to hide from them and make sure they don't look at me too carefully."

Newbie scum are often scared to even vote for the IC lest they attract the IC's attention. They don't want a private room with their IC with nothing to distract the ICs attention from themselves. They don't believe they can trick the experienced player. They might try to snuggle up to the IC, sure, and if tictac had opened the neighbourhood with HI LETS BE MASONS <3<3<3 then that would've been weird and gotten our hackles up for sure. But they didn't.

I just...don't see newbie scum who is scum for their first time deciding to get a neighbourhood with someone they believe to be a competent scumhunter and then displaying a mixture of paranoia that this player could be scum and hope that this player will help them get their footing in a game where they've bitten off too much for them to chew. I also think that the amount of effort shown in the neighbourhood is kind of wasted if they were scum since we're the only players to see it.

I just got out of a micro where there were 12 neighbourhoods and a masonry and a lot of the newer town players found it easier to express themselves in private. They were pretty uniformly lynchbaity in public, some of them barely managed to post anything in public at all, and then you got a neighbourhood with them and they turned into articulate, thoughtful town players.

Tictac wasn't town because of their role; roles aren't indicative of alignment. They were town because of how they played their role. Could I have underestimated them? Sure. But I don't think I did. Flubber hasn't done anything that would make me worry that I was wrong about tictac.

[...]

The entire other post would be BRIGHT PURPLE

[dramonic]

Dram, don't use orange, that's my mod color.

That's more of a light brown but okay :p

[dramonic]

Another day wasted weeeeeeee~

[dramonic]

I don't expect a mirhawk scum flip

[dramonic]

Well it means I'm probably wrong about one of my reads, clearly?

[dramonic]

I think strictly the opposite, interestingly enough.

[dramonic]

Flavor?

I don't see any harm in claiming, as scum were never going to shoot me anyways. I'm a vanilla townie.

Yer in trouble. Crumb for ogre.

Is there a reason why you left out your role/musical from this? Also, didn't you say your role didn't match your flavor? How does that fit with vanilla townie?

Y

[dramonic]

wtf... That was intended as "you two are apparently illiterate"

[dramonic]

I could be swayed onto an Axel wagon.
Just sayin

[dramonic]

Didn't Plot win paragon or something? <_<

unvote
vote: Axel

[dramonic]

That readlist

[dramonic]

I wouldn't vote someone I don't think will flip scum even if I'm getting lynched. That's dumb <_<

[dramonic]

I can swap onto Piper if it's doable

[dramonic]

The only reason there is even lynch pressure on us period is because of the claim situation that we got ourselves into if scum and had no motivation to get ourselves into if scum.

Well that's patently false.

[dramonic]

I'm not trying to convince

you

of your own alignment. My ISO is there if you need a refresher and it's not a long read.

EDIT: @Cerb: I'm not saying some people aren't purely focused on that, I'm saying "ITS ALL BECAUSE OF THE CLAIM!" is (yet again) bull from the tpp slot.

[dramonic]

the selective quoting is a nice touch, gotta admit.

[dramonic]

You could have made one big post instead of separating everything, it's a hassle to reply to <_<

-Plot literally asked people to TRUST your slot. There is zero reason to trust your slot, there is no solid evidence to your alignment. So no, "trust us it'll make sense" is a bullshit stance and a thinly veiled attempted at an Appeal to your own Authority. Furthermore you think you know how the newbs play better than the newb themselves. The only way you could be THIS confident is... obvious. I am eagerly awaiting for the " I told you so!~" posts from your slot when tictac flips town.
-You have been crumbing speculative results and treating them as gospel, further using those (fake) results to push your agenda, most obvious case being driving the lynch off of tictac based on getting neighborized. That is flimsy
-I don't think what I do (call everyone trash) and what Plot is doing (call anyone who disagrees with her opinion on information dispensal antitown) really fit on the same scale, but whatever. half-baked crumbs read bull is absurdly scummy to do and pretending people hounding you on it are antitown is ludicrous anyways.
-vig spec goes back to "WE HAVE INFO!~" that is pretty obviously a lie, pushed further by the fact cakez counterclaimed your ass. Speculating on people's role is null, pretending your speculations are gospel is not.
-the TO appeasment post is 46...something? I'd have to self-ISO, I noted it when I commented on it. Apparently Plot tries to do it as either alignment (DISTUUUUUUUURBING) so I'm willing to negotiate on that point.
-It WAS pretty, don't be a bitter boy just because you're not fooling everyone bby.


DISCLAIMER: Apologies if I used the wrong pronouns at some point IRT plot.

[dramonic]

shhhh, Nacho's right.

[dramonic]

who am I compromise lynching
@FS @Dramonic @Sircakez @Mirhawk

TPP or Axel.

vote: TPP

[dramonic]

As scum, to convince town that you are useful.

And why would I do this when the town already thinks that I am useful?

Wonder how long Nacho can pretend these posts don't exist.

[dramonic]

huh

[dramonic]

Im going to bed.
Please lynch one of Axel or TPP
kthxnight

[dramonic]

vote: piper

I just want to rub it in everyone's face that I called Axel scum before it was cool :p

[dramonic]

this just in: people are pretty dumb

[dramonic]

There's no basis for the whole "FS was the counterwagon to Mirhawk" that couldn't be used to say "FS and Mirhawk were both counterwagons to TPP".
Notice how hard it was to get people on Axel as well.

[dramonic]

I'm not gonna look between votecounts to see if there were more votes that were removed later, so perhaps.
The wagon doesn't have to be big when we're that close to deadline regardless.

Could you produce a readlist for me, I wanna know how much I want to ignore your opinion and the only thing I see in votecounts are mirhawk votes from you. :p

[dramonic]

You're delusional, and I've just read through your ISO and didn't find the post =/

[dramonic]

Also do you remember who was pushing the hardest for that wagon to swing onto FS?
Do you remember who was screaming "WE'RE LYNCHING US OR FS"?

If you so desperately want to play the counterwagon game, you can't simultaneously ignore WHO was heavily pushing for that swap.

ANYWAYS, I want to see some results from Marquis and whoever replaced Talah. With any luck Marquis was smart and checked one of Mir or TPP

[dramonic]

...Well, did you use your investigation?

[dramonic]

I fail to see the link between those quote

[dramonic]

Nah, the play you're thinking of cerb would be to just say what happened from the get go instead of fucking around for 100 pages.

[dramonic]

Well that's pretty rude of you.

[dramonic]

Can we stop putting people at L-1 so early, especially considering MARQUIS CLAIMED INFO.

[dramonic]

IM ALIVE!

[dramonic]

This is sad.

[dramonic]

What

[dramonic]

zzzzz

[dramonic]

I'm kinda bored by the Mirhawk fuckery.
Just mislynch his ass and move on.

[dramonic]

its really not pistach

[dramonic]

its really not pistach

I think it's town upset over the bull shit

Do you really think dram cares enough to be upset?

I laughed.

I mean, I do care that we're mislynching and ignoring the scum.
But the way I see it, maybe after you guys are rid of your Mirhawk boner we can start doing some real work.

[dramonic]

I don't think "I PUSHED THE FS WAGON OVER YOU AND GOT FS LYNCHED OVER YOU?" is the same as screaming for a 1v1 you know you'll win.
But I mean, ymmv

[dramonic]

Mirhawk:

podoboq

,

itlepip

,

Flubbernugget

,

SirCakez

(4)

The Pied Piper:

Dwlee99

, dramonic,

Mirhawk

(3)

green = somewhat of a townread
yellow = was a distinct townread at some point earlier, but want to review
white = idk/no opinion so blah
orange = scummier than most of the others. I would have TPP somewhere above Mirhawk, but it feels like TPP should recognize how they're drowning out the game as I know both heads have the self-awareness for that.

I'm stuck. help

A) I'm not on that list
B) Of course TPP is aware of what they're doing, why the fuck do you think they're doing it? <_<

[dramonic]

Unless white is black?

[dramonic]

I have not claimed flavor

[dramonic]

I like how you're trying to engage Shotty.
It's endearing.

[dramonic]

I'm "barely playing" because TPP being alive is offensive to my religious beliefs.

[dramonic]

Cerb, I love you.
You're super wrong.
But I love you.

[dramonic]

rough
EDIT: WELL...

[dramonic]

Holy fucking shit are we doing this again, remember how well this worked with FS? Stop Mling and forcing to vigi to hit in order for us to keep on winning this game.

What happened yesterday was in no small part forced BY TPP.
In case you forgot.

[dramonic]

your sig is REALLY expired.

[dramonic]

oh my god you guys are just a special flavor of stupid aren't you.

[dramonic]

Because this town is composed of clownfucks and they know that once again, they're gonna dodge the rope in favor of some other sap who doesn't have enough cocksucking inertia to dodge it.

[dramonic]

oh my god nobody cares plot, just claim or self-hammer so we can GET THIS GAME GOING.

[dramonic]

Thank you.
You may now continue spouting useless drivel.

[dramonic]

Cerb, you should hammer.
EDIT: Dwlee I swear to god if you unvote...

[dramonic]

Thank you.
You may now continue spouting useless drivel.

Please stop directing stuff like this towards Plot specifically.

Would you feel better if I replaced useless drivel with white noise?

EDIT: Dwlee, your logic never worked, I just let you jump around cuz even with wrong logic, you're still on the right wagon.

[dramonic]

Oh my fucking god.
I give up

vote: dramonic

[dramonic]

There's no reason to try to convince you.

[dramonic]

I'm gonna go cool off before I get myself modkilled.
You guys can resume jerkin off TPP, I'm sure they could use it after the stressful experience of being put at l-1.

[dramonic]

ffs guys =/

[dramonic]

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

[dramonic]

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

[dramonic]

I believe the beloved X is the next phase in general?
So if it's a nightkill it goes to the next night, if it's a lynch it goes to the next day.
But I could be wrong and it's irrelevant.

[dramonic]

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

TPP isn't scum because they just killed scum.

They really didn't though.

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

So dram are you upset we lynched scum? Are you going to address how wrong you were about dwee?

I am upset we ONCE AGAIN are giving TPP a free pass, and I don't think I ever called Dwlee town so your argument is invalid?

[dramonic]

We're gonna lose the game anyways, this town is entirely composed of people who want to sit on their dick.
Except Dwlee cuz that concept hasn't crossed his mind yet.
But you could AT LEAST do the right thing and vote them.

That's pretty much my only interaction with the dwlee slot.
That and the end of Day 4.

EDIT: Then you better vote me cerb.

[dramonic]

Come on dram if he flips town we will wagon the hell out of tpp tomorrow

But Podo is probably gonna flip scum. Then it'll be the same fucking song and dance AGAIN.

[dramonic]

I'd possibly be more swayed if

you were voting podo

probably not, but ya know...

[dramonic]

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

vote: TPP

such bus, much wow.

This kind of stuff sucks, probably best if dram gets vigged at some point tbh

OR you could vig TPP/Podo.

[dramonic]

No, you lynch the one you don't vig.
Then the game is over and I'm finally fucking free.

[dramonic]

Of course you wouldn't

[dramonic]

Then you're not looking at reality.

[dramonic]

did that happen? The claim?
I missed that.

[dramonic]

I assume you're talking about itlepip, cuz Piper claimed limited-shot Bulletproof, not bodyguard.

[dramonic]

which is not a bodyguard

[dramonic]

...
We have 3 dead scum and 12 people alive.
There would have to be a total of 8 scum for today to be LyLo (technically it would be LyLo)

[dramonic]

There's some echo in here

[dramonic]

...
Dwlee flipped beloved prince. That skips the night. THAT'S WHAT THE ROLE DOES

Holy SHIT you guys are not fucking paying attention.

[dramonic]

Did you forget pist isnt reading already?

[dramonic]

This game is gonna be a loss~

[dramonic]

I take massive offense to that comparison

[dramonic]

This game is gonna be a loss~

why hasn't the dwlee flip changed your view of TPP at all?

I've given my opinion on the dwlee flip, read the fucking game.

[dramonic]

lolmala

[dramonic]

I'd have a much different tune if you guys stopped fucking around so much.

[dramonic]

There was zero town incentive to unvote TPP after that awful claim. Dwlee was obviously bussing.

Read
The
Fucking
Game

[dramonic]

People defending TPP for the dwlee wagon while voting me are being pretty hypocritical, I gotta say.

[dramonic]

vote: dramonic

yeah, fuck that noise.
Let's just finish this and give tpp the win since clearly that's what we wanna do.

[dramonic]

I never actually said anything irt TO, but nice try.
I'm beyond tired of the fuckery in this game. You guys desperately want to lose and I dont feel like fighting it anymore

[dramonic]

I would ask what youll do after a flip town, but I fully expect you to ask tpp.

[dramonic]

So tired

vote: Podo

[dramonic]

Rude

[dramonic]

Yes, clearly your opinion on your alignment is gonna sway me.

[dramonic]

Obviously, there's no way for me to prove that, and I'm just gonna have to accept that I could get lynched here for being inactive during that time, and sacrificing my ability to demonstrate were I stood.

Yes, that is definitely why you're getting voted here

[dramonic]

Okay podo

[dramonic]

He didn't acknowledge Skybird at all, his iso has 6 instances of the word "skybird" and 3 of them are after she was lynched. None of the 3 from when she was in the game are direct interactions or reads.

I dont think I interacted much with mala, you, mirhawk, cakez or shotty/to either by that point. Except maybe to call them morons.
We must be one huge scumteam

[dramonic]

Well I agree you are pretty transparent

[dramonic]

(Transparently scum)

[dramonic]

I feel no desire to claim

[dramonic]

[dramonic]

That's not really a crumb. If a game is vanillaless its generally advertised aa such.

[dramonic]

I certainly do it in all my games.

[dramonic]

Les Miserables :3

[dramonic]

Are you implying I'm suspicious?

[dramonic]

I like you cerb.
Shame you've been pretty wrong this game.

[dramonic]

You think TPP is town.
You've been pretty wrong this game.

[dramonic]

I think you're greatly overestimating Dwlee.

[dramonic]

Rolecop is a pretty good role <_<

[dramonic]

First and foremost: If

Dram

(whoever we lynch) flips scum, and the game doesn't immediately end, we either have five scum or a serial killer. Which of the two is more likely?

I actually really want some feedback on this, if people don't mind. I have very little experience on mafiascum, so I'd just be guessing.

Pretty much. Or both.

This is all speculation, but I think it's worth noting. If we lynch the last scum, I think we need to steal control of the vig's night action. Tell them "Shoot this player (or nobody) or when you claim, we will lynch you." That way, in case that player actually is the SK, they have to just obey town. The person in charge of the final decision could be pistachion, since she's confirmed town.

I know this sounds extreme, but in my experience (in the fast, party game version of mafia), forcing people who are suspects to kind of give up ownership of their night action is sometimes the right play.

Leashing is bad play. The fact a player is conftown doesn't mean they're right. I fully trust Pist to exclusively aim the vig/sk at town players.

So my ideal lynch order would be dram > podo > cakez > mirhawk

At which point scum wins. GJ pist, GJ.

This is all speculation, but I think it's worth noting. If we lynch the last scum, I think we need to steal control of the vig's night action. Tell them "Shoot this player (or nobody) or when you claim, we will lynch you." That way, in case that player actually is the SK, they have to just obey town. The person in charge of the final decision could be pistachion, since she's confirmed town.

This sounds good in theory, but I'm not sure if it'll actually work.

If there's no kill then we're left wondering why the game hasn't ended. I guess we would know at that point that there isn't a SK, but rather a scum. But in all honesty that doesn't buy us much and I don't see them not killing just for that.

If there is a kill then we have no way of knowing who made it. It could have been either the scum OR the SK. We won't know which, and if we do have a SK they could still at that point just claim to be a vig and say they didn't do it.

WIFOM

This is all speculation, but I think it's worth noting. If we lynch the last scum, I think we need to steal control of the vig's night action. Tell them "Shoot this player (or nobody) or when you claim, we will lynch you." That way, in case that player actually is the SK, they have to just obey town. The person in charge of the final decision could be pistachion, since she's confirmed town.

This sounds good in theory, but I'm not sure if it'll actually work.

If there's no kill then we're left wondering why the game hasn't ended. I guess we would know at that point that there isn't a SK, but rather a scum. But in all honesty that doesn't buy us much and I don't see them not killing just for that.

If there is a kill then we have no way of knowing who made it. It could have been either the scum OR the SK. We won't know which, and if we do have a SK they could still at that point just claim to be a vig and say they didn't do it.

Does that really change who we lynch? Town has enough of a lead and we have enough conftown.

Town is really fucking misguided.

[dramonic]

I was hoping we could autowin, but I guess not.

Why not?

Cuz you would never lynch scum so...

[dramonic]

Leashing is bad play. The fact a player is conftown doesn't mean they're right. I fully trust Pist to exclusively aim the vig/sk at town players.

Conftown is more qualified to make the decision than somebody who has a 50/50 shot of being against town. Just because pistachi0n is fallible doesn't mean we shouldn't trust her with vig powers.

That's easily breakable

We have 12p
We know we have a shooter.

We have him claim and do the following from there:

Case 1
we lynch, go to 11 players, potential 2 shots down to 9.
IF NO DEAD SCUM
we lynch, go to 8 players and have him not shoot, potential 1 shot down to 7
IF NO DEAD SCUM
We lynch him at 7p and go into potential 5p lylo.

Case 2: We hit scum at some point in the case 1 scenario
we lynch him at 5p and go into potential 3p LyLo.

Case 3: We hit 2 scum at some point in the case 1 scenario
we lynch him.


If a shot fails on one night, shooter can shoot an extra time.

If at any point he disobeys we lynch him, potentially letting scum win. That will stop any vig from going gung ho and any SK from trying to be sneaky.


There.

[dramonic]

If the shooter doesn't claim he's an SK.

EDIT: I'm letting the sk/vig shoot who he wants.

[dramonic]

Case 1
we lynch, go to 11 players, potential 2 shots down to 9.
IF NO DEAD SCUM
we lynch, go to 8 players and

have him not shoot

, potential 1 shot down to 7
IF NO DEAD SCUM
We lynch him at 7p and go into potential 5p lylo.

If he chooses to shoot that night, and we don't flip scum, we go to 6, and it's game over.

No, we then lynch the SK, THEN we lose if there are 5 scum.
The point isn't to win as town.
The point is to force the SK into a lose so he DOESN'T disobey.

[dramonic]

You'll notice the only scenario where the SK wins is Scenario 4, if we don't know who the SK is.
If he claims today he loses every scenario.

Basically by claiming today the shooter guarantees his death, but we guarantee no SK win.

[dramonic]

Do you really think mafia wouldn't help lynch an SK? <_<

EDIT: SK isn't gonna claim though. The point is that if it's a vig they should claim so we can create a setup where we have zero room for shooter WIFOM.
I am well-aware that it's a "free mislynch" if it's a vig, but I prefer mislynching when it's safe than keeping a shooter alive on a 50/50

[dramonic]

We have no way to confirm the alignment of the shooter, of course we wanna lynch mafia but I have no interest in running the risk of an SK win by keeping him alive when lynching him is a risk.
Vig just has to accept that his death is an unavoidable event if town doesn't lynch

TPP

scum before the fated hour.
Or if he doesn't shoot well.

EDIT: Well nobody wants an SK to win.

[dramonic]

I'd like to point out that since everyone seems to believe either me or you is scum, from their perspective both town and scum think it's a good plan.
YOU HAVE NO REASON TO RESIST PEOPLE *_*

On that note, I'll claim not shooter, although that's obvious since Snarky was shot N1

[dramonic]

Actually do we have a reason to believe the shooter didn't target spiffeh? <<

[dramonic]

If it were me Axel woulda Died N1. Him or Podo.

[dramonic]

That's why I do rolecards~

[dramonic]

I have no idea what that comment and quote have to do with one another.

And AFAIK shotty is hopping around cuz I get in his head.

[dramonic]

Unless its mala cuz she hasnt posted recently.

[dramonic]

CERB
THE LIGHT
LET IT WAAAAAAAAAAAASH OVER YOU

[dramonic]

Agreed with the general sentiment that the vig needs to claim.

????
How is this a sentiment?

I do not because then scum can rb the vig then if they have a rber?

[dramonic]

The point is that we don't want an SK to win, and we don't want to be stuck in WIFOM land in lategame. vig not shooting or getting roleblocked is NOT A BAD THING.