A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Sakura Hana]

I see a lot of familiar faces...

[Sakura Hana]

Are you implying it is?

[Sakura Hana]

I was actually trying to imply the opposite.

You should sheep me btw.

But your 1 person wagon is too boring.
I'm more interested in Nacho.
VOTE: The pied piper
He's my priority sort.

[Sakura Hana]

Also
@dram: why is Axel worthy of a vote?
@Axel: why is seniors worthy of a vote?

[Sakura Hana]

@Axel: why is seniors worthy of a vote?

Is this a serious question?

Why does it being serious or not have anything to do with your reply?

[Sakura Hana]

Well, it has to do with why you are asking the question. It seems an odd question to me.

I assume when you said they are worthy of a vote, that you're getting out of RVS into serious territory, so I asked.
Once again, why would my question being serious or not affect your answer?

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Seniors is a Hydra. That makes him just as good a vote as The Wrong Lynch for purposes of me taking a stand against Hydras. I was making a pun. I would have thought that was obvious (more right than Wrong?)

Well it wasnt as obvious to me, considering we were just talking about the seriousness of the votes at the time.
Now, are you seriously policy lynching TWL because they are hydra? They have made a few posts, what do you think of them?

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Wrong Lynch, Cakes,

Sakura

and Mirhawk are probably town.

Why? I haven't even done anything yet.

[Sakura Hana]

I liked the engagement you did earlier it was weird and promoted discussion. The cost of that is you where asking weird questions and obviously that would attract attention to yourself but that isn't a risk from a scum POV so I'd imagine you where town.

Why would me doing something with low risk as scum make me town?

Although Cakes did a lot less than you and it really bothers me that you ignored the rest of my list and only replied to my read on you when my read on other players should be more important.

Why is it surprising to you that I question townreads on me?, Specially coming from someone who's been screwed over by scum me once, and been my scum partner once before, I would think you'd want to sort me out, and your townread on me stuck out like a sore thumb. I think it was an early attempt at budding me and once i reacted to it, you're trying to reverse your read on me.
VOTE: beeboy

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2. That point doesn't make sense if you accept that I have meta experience with you wouldn't it be easier for me to sort you which would justify a town read this early?

When i have done nothing that's not fakeable it raises all my alarm bells.

3. I made it very clear that the reason I thought you where scum from that post was that you didn't question any of my other reads. Cakes has made very few posts and Mala hasn't actually asked many questions so both those reads should have stood out if you where actually interested in sorting my slot you would have looked at everything in that post.

1) I haven't read much of the thread i mostly skimmed coz i've been busy (watching anime together with pie), so i dont know what Cakez or Mala have been doing other than before the point i left off.
2) However it's not like i make ghostly posts while im not around, im perfectly aware of what i've been doing and my belief is that you shouldn't have a townread on me this early.
3) Now again, this doesn't explain why you had a townread on me early on.

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But it makes me wonder if there is a reason for the change in pattern?

When was even the last time we played? my style has changed like 4 times in the last year.

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It is because she is scum with Seniors

L M A O
This is wrong on so many levels that are validated just by making an egosearch on me that im not even gonna bother with a response.

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I mean you responded to my post where I called you scum before this so you already have... :/

so 106 wasnt meant as a response to 105? I have trouble believing that.

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I mean you responded to my post where I called you scum before this so you already have... :/

so 106 wasnt meant as a response to 105? I have trouble believing that.

107 was a reply to 104 where I said I would vote you which is you responding to the post where I called you scum. I know it wasn't 100% direct but saying I am willing to vote couldn't mean anything other than I think you are scum.

109 was made in response to you saying that my difference in playstyle was because i was scum, and that's not even me getting started on your absurd 180 of your read on me when I got suspicious of your townread on me.

[Sakura Hana]

I have a large weekend (Thursday through Sunday) so im gonna be taking a V/LA this weekend, V/LA until Monday.

[Sakura Hana]

Skimmed again, if i missed something directed at me please let me know, that being said some things stood out to me.
@Nacho: Weren't you on Disney Upick? hiplop was there (town him at least).
@beeboy: I don't get it, you're saying scum hiplop avoids confrontation or avoids you specifically.
@Cakez: If you think beeboy's flopping his read on me is scummy, you're going to have a hard time with me.
@Swordsworth: It's a bit too late for RVSing, why didn't you comment on anything else?

FoS: Swordsworth

[Sakura Hana]

[@Sakura: (per post #64) did you really think that I was advocating for a "policy" lynch of all Hydras? Really?]

Yes, how many times are you gonna ask, the answer is still gonna be the same.

Re: Miller.
Miller doesnt equal town, i've literally seen scum fake claim miller (Monogatari), or... even scum be AN ACTUAL MILLER (Tarot Upick 2), all it means is that we cant rely on a cop to sort her.

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@amihan: Why are you so sure she's fake claiming?
@beeboy: why the vote?

(I got some time right now, so please interact with me )

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Oh... derp
VOTE: Pist

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@Spiffy: Why was it necessary of you to unvote for them to address the problems?
(Sorry im kinda reading in reverse because i dont remember where i left off)

[Sakura Hana]

=/

I'm dissapoint, last 4 pages been all about hippy and beeboy, are the other people in this game invisible or what.

[Sakura Hana]

The Odds and that horrid blitz as well.

Interestingly enough I feel like the way Hippy's been treated is similar to how i was treated on "that horrid blitz" with beeboy playing the role of Wisdom.

[Sakura Hana]

What are your thoughts on me and seniors Sakura?

Still not done reading.
But while your push on me was bad, i think that probably both of you are town.
Just like Wisdom was town on Blitz and I kept scumreading him because all he did was say "Scum scum scum, meta meta meta" and pretty much just boxed me in and didnt let me defend myself that i went and ragequit MS.

Sakura what do you think about Tictac and Spiffeh?

Tictac, can't remember a thing he's done so I need to go back and ISO him.
Spiffeh, looks just like normal spiffeh to me, probably town.

I'm curious Sakura, what do you think of The Wrong Lynch and Dave?

I always misread Mala so im gonna try to read GM instead, last time i played with GM I caught scum GM easily so i feel more confident there.
Dave: Has done nothing that I remember other than pointing out that im playing different from when I last played with him, in which, i dont even remember when that was or which game.

Still reading, but i got about 15 minutes, imma ISO tictac and Dave then.

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Oh yeah i remember now, Dave and Mirhawk were having playstyle class issues (or so dave said) because dave hadnt placed a vote down or something, i dont think not placing votes is alignment indicative unless meta points otherwise.

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tictac's entrance looks scummy.

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Examples:

beeboy Seniors read is exaggerated to the point that I don't think it's even supposed to look real. Crosses over into not alignment indicative.

A whole lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing. Comes into what seems like an accusation at beeboy's read and nullifies it with the end.

Wrong lynch entry "I MISSED YOU ALL SO MUCH" felt forced to me, like he is making really sure that everyone knows he hasn't chatted with anyone pre-game.

The irony is that this post looks forced.

Axl push on hydras was pretty obviously jokey, and dave makes it way bigger thing than it is, then quickly retracts when he gets heat from it.

1) It wasn't 2) Why mention Dave only instead of me who also thought it wasnt jokey?

Anyway that's all the time i got for right now.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh my god...
About 500 posts since i left... looks like i wont be catching up anytime soon orz

[Sakura Hana]

Pistachion: I mean, he isn't counterclaimed. I'm not voting pistach unless something pretty serious happens.

So this is the first thing that caught my attention since I remembered pist actually being CC'd. I went and ISO'd Ami and she retracted her claim.
One question why's your townread on pist being based off "no counter claim"?
Point 1) Pistachion could be scum fake claiming miller, Pistachion could be scum or town being an actual miller, lack of counter claim doesnt equal town, specially since the setup is unknown, the only thing the miller thing means is that we cant rely on a cop to check it.
Point 2) Nevertheless Pistachion's 560 Looks towny.
UNVOTE:

[Sakura Hana]

I'm liking dramonic so far but he probably needs to hug a cattle prod.

Why?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm sorry waht? Are you having trouble reading my first post and the second post?

I don't know what you're confused about and because I'm town reading you and don't have a particular need to get this addressed let's drop it and talk Axel.

What
The
Heck?

[Sakura Hana]

The trolling I've seen has only ever been scum-aligned. Smiley faces, schmoozing, dancing over the thread and not engaging. I'm taking this most recent with a small grain of salt because obviously when it's pointed out as scummy, a behaviour changes if scum. That said I appreciate your direct engagement.

In my opinion, the only one of these things that is actually a scumtell is "not engaging".
I'm interested in who you are because a lot of my recent scumgames have been breaking the meta of "Nacho only trolls as town".

I'm pretty sure you're perfectly capable of engaging ppl as scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm following why you think beeboy is town thanks to the Wisdom comparison, but why do you think Friendless Seniors is town?

Interestingly enough

I feel like the way Hippy's been treated is similar to how i was treated on "that horrid blitz"

with beeboy playing the role of Wisdom.

For reference: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7599828 Your other head was there, you can ask him.

[Sakura Hana]

Im gonna stop here for now because im getting

lazy

tired, if there's any immediate concerns that need to be addressed by me please let me know, saw that nacho was posting and wanted to check that out, but i'm at a loss because his catchup looks townie but some of his posts (in particular the ones i quoted) feel awkward. I want to engage him in real time ASAP.

Other stuff i noticed during that time that Tammy is super town.

Gonna go ahead with my FoS from earlier and turn it into a vote.

VOTE: Sword

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Oh yeah another thing, Axel, i want reads from you.

[Sakura Hana]

Am I really the only person that has a problem with this progression?

Good "morning" everyone, here's to a great game.

VOTE: SirCakez

Why not?

<snip>
@Swordsworth: It's a bit too late for RVSing, why didn't you comment on anything else?

FoS: Swordsworth

Sorry for any excessively delayed responses, I'm currently out of town.

Just reading over everything that's happened, I'd like Ami to clarify themself on what exactly they're trying to say pertaining to Pistachio's Miller claim. Is it a CC? A hinting at it? Just trying to see how people react?

My current scumreads at this time would probably be somewhere in the block of Hiplop, Cakez, and Beeboy. I have a question for you three: What if Pistachio is shot and flips town? What does this suggest about Ami, and would that warrant an instant vote?

@the late RVS matter, I can only be around early morning and laaate evening for this week. Sorry about that.

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He's a good vig shot, but a wasted lynch.

Uh what.

[Sakura Hana]

A lynch is a town controlled kill that requires the majority of the playerlist to agree with.
A Vig shot is a town controlled kill that requires a single player to agree with. (Unless Mafia Vig, but i have only seen one on BBMolla's large)

They are literally the same thing, so why would it be a waste of a lynch but not a waste of a vig? or in the reverse case, why would it be a good vig but not a good lynch?

[Sakura Hana]

He's barely even here. We would be better off lynching a more active player. That way there would be far more information available to the town in general. As we would be able to examine how other players interact with the lynched player.

How do you not know that, this conversation happens literally every time a policy lynch is proposed.

And then scum lurked it out... well swords is V/LA so he cant help it, but right here you're just giving scum more outs by deciding to not go after lurkers. I literally don't care how often swordsworth is posting, but the contents of his posts.

[Sakura Hana]

So I headed back to read what the crap is going on about wrt Mirhawk.
But it didnt matter because:

I decided after posting that there was no way find out if the CC was legit or not without flipping one or both of the people involved, so I voted for pistachio anyways.

This right there is scum lining up lynches.
with that said i dont mind Mirhawk dying today either
VOTE: Mirhawk

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura it's possible there's a language or cultural thing going on there but the whole exchange with him was just weird. The way he jumped on whether or not my random vote was serious did not make any sense at all.

First of all I'm a she
Second of all

Spoiler: Quote Strip

yeah ok

Vote: Axelrod

serious vote.

Hi Sakura o/

yeah ok

Vote: Axelrod

serious vote.

Are you implying the Seniors wagon isn't serious?

Are you implying it is?

I was actually trying to imply the opposite.

You should sheep me btw.

Hi Sakura o/

yeah ok

Vote: Axelrod

serious vote.

Are you implying the Seniors wagon isn't serious?

Seniors is policy tho.

Seniors is policy tho.

Only scum wouldn't buddy up with me because I always hit scum when I wagon someone.
Seniors know this and should have accepted my hand in friendship but they don't want to be forced to bus.

Seniors is, indeed, worthy of a vote. But more right than Wrong?

Where in this sequence of posts am i supposed to take your statement as a joke?

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Oh And third, i have like many other posts that dont talk about the "seriousness" of your vote, why are you focusing so much on that?

[Sakura Hana]

Cerb explained it, I just gave it a name. By implying that one of them had to be lying, ergo, they were scum, you can easily lynch the one that claimed first and if they flip miller you could lynch the 2nd one for lying, that's called lining up lynches, when you know neither of the 2 are in your team. Look at the bolded

/lawls

Anyways, it seems the thing to do would be to String Pistachio.

Only thing is I'm a little worried about a scum counterclaim on Ami's part.

I mean what if Piss flips Miller? I don't see myself as being comfortable with either way we could go in that case.

Here you're getting ready for a pistachion town flip and to use it as "told you guys that ami was scum counterclaiming" to lynch Ami the next day.

P-Edit: I could go back to Sword if you guys prefer to go that way, both of them are scum anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Also with all this "skybird's scum" i feel i should ISO her, probably when im not feeling lazy >_< (So tonight)

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Axel did you come back just to totally ignore my question?

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Axel did you come back just to totally ignore my question?

I still have several questions to answer from back in the thread, but I'm talking about the most immediately relevant thing. Which question are you talking about, the one you

just

asked? (#927?)

Yes

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I am commenting on things as I see them. I'm really not quite sure what you are getting at with the spread out comment.

In my head I have the town separated into several groups based on who they talk with the most as well as which wagon they're on.

The people in your list aren't ones I associate with each other.

I comment on what I see and in some instances who I know. For example, Tammy. I have played with her a few times and I feel this is her town game. Same with Spiffeh. I have also played with SirCakez before and I scum read him for his posting and he wasn't scum. I am being cautious about sorting him because I don't want to make that mistake again. I don't have an organized way I go through the player list and comment on people.

Why do you feel some people are associated together?

Apparently you forgot about me, Miss Reviver from Monogatari

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Nacho!

[Sakura Hana]

[Sakura Hana]

No, I didn't forget you! <3 What do you think of PiedPiper? They keep making these long posts and my eyes glaze over before I've even started reading them.

saw that nacho was posting and wanted to check that out, but i'm at a loss because his catchup looks townie but some of his posts (in particular the ones i quoted) feel awkward. I want to engage him in real time ASAP.

[Sakura Hana]

And now it looks like you're throwing around "early enthusiasm" as a blanket justification for town reads.

That's one of the things i was thinking when i saw that reads list.

[Sakura Hana]

When does Easter end anyway, i haven't seen anything remotely useful from Snarky.

[Sakura Hana]

Where i'm currently at is that Snarky's ISO is devoid of anything other than saying Seniors is scum (much like dram's but dram's has 3 scumreads), One of his posts was a pdodge due to Easter (If he doesn't have time due to easter has he even been reading the thread?) It is possible the lack of content is due to Easter as i recently learned that Easter's supposed to be a 4-day weekend? But many ppl have been active here despite that, so I'm unsure if the lack of activity is due to lack of time (and ergo no time to read either) or because of being scum active lurking.

[Sakura Hana]

Cakes scum hunting literally consists of him saying people are playing objectively poorly not scummy.
He hasn't done any solid scum hunting yet and he is trying to give off the impression he is actively doing so.

Just went through 1/3rd of his ISO and i didnt get that impression, unless you think him saying your waffling was scum motivated is not scum hunting... Well actually he said waffling is scummy in general. Will read the rest of the ISO after dinner.

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So the only things that are notable in Cakez ISO are his accusation about your waffling and his hard defense of dram. The later i still cannot comprehend.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok I'll sheep
VOTE: Cakez

[Sakura Hana]

Isnt those nestled quotes about True Ogre's not voting then voting?

[Sakura Hana]

If anything tho i'm more concerned about SirCakez totally ignoring my switch from Mirhawk who i was strongly pushing earlier towards him whom i barely commented on.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't even...

[Sakura Hana]

Tbh i think you're both town.
VOTE: Mirhawk
Back here.

[Sakura Hana]

I agree that all replace outs are null.

[Sakura Hana]

Also this is alignment indicative but everyone was on my ass for wanting FS lynched and "pushing him in a corner" making him hard to read but the same thing is happening to ranger and no one gives a shit.

Alignment indicative for who? FS? Ranger? You? The people pushing ranger?

[Sakura Hana]

I can think of a player (not in this game) who has replaced out upon seeing a scum role without even posting, and the same player might have replaced out as scum after going under heavy suspicion early (I don't remember her role in that 2nd game, nor remember exactly which game it was to look it up -- if I weren't lazy I might check her threads...).

That might be worth checking with a List Mod, if a player replaces out all the time as scum and under scrutinity.

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Either way, for me the swordsworth replace out is null, if you dont think he was pushing an agenda that's your PoV, but literally only one of his posts has content (if you can even call that content), and when your real life gets in the way of playing mafia you replace out, no matter what alignment you are.

[Sakura Hana]

Hi Ranger!

[Sakura Hana]

I think Ranger's town.

[Sakura Hana]

@Mirhawk: What's so strange about Ranger coming to the conclusion that you and FS are scum? If you guys are (Conveniently) the leading wagons, then there must be a reason for why you are, no? I think you're just trying to find reasons to push Ranger.

[Sakura Hana]

Happy April's Fools ppl, I won't be around today sorry.

[Sakura Hana]

This one?

@Tammy since you are here and I don't understand your position this game can you give a brief description on your read on me, seniors and ranger?

Town, Null-Scum, Null-Town

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway sorry, dont have time, need to go now, cya

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Seniors

[Sakura Hana]

pdodge, sorry busy weekend for me, i'll be back tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

So, why is Ranger scum?

[Sakura Hana]

I know you know why Rangers being scumread because you've commented on it before.

I know why YOU think she's scum, but when i made that post a lot of ppl were townreading her from what i remember so im wondering what changed.

are you even reading the game?

Nope i was busy all weekend. I've skimmed some of the last couple pages.

[Sakura Hana]

3 more ppl asking for votes on Ranger and i dont even understand why...

[Sakura Hana]

sakura are you reading the game? like are you caught up?

Sorry i've been spending way too much time playing Tree of Savior

Well anyway, fine.

VOTE: Ranger

[Sakura Hana]

Well if me dissapearing due to having other priorities is enough to remove your townread on me then you might as well scumread me because that's going to happen often in this game.

Besides... It's better for me that im not so strongly townread anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Wait did you just go from disagreeing with the Ranger lynch to voting her in the same page or am i seeing things.

[Sakura Hana]

I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh

What happened with me requesting you to talk like ages ago.

[Sakura Hana]

I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh

What happened with me requesting you to talk like ages ago.

Spiffeh was engaged and pushing a strong read. You weren't.

So me trying to read you isn't important?

[Sakura Hana]

I had sort of hoped that I could talk to Spiffeh

What happened with me requesting you to talk like ages ago.

Spiffeh was engaged and pushing a strong read. You weren't.

So me trying to read you isn't important?

You trying to read me isn't important as me trying to end up with a lynch that I'm happy with, no.
Do you think it should be?

It is important for me!

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just gonna go back to grinding on ToS

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura Hana going to untouchable town

What the hell? Why?

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry guys, not around on weekends.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Pistachion
Also i'll be around now, so feel free to ask me anything.

[Sakura Hana]

I was wondering when i was going to be engaged but...

Ranger: davesaz, Amihan, Mirhawk, Spiffeh, Sakura Hana, beeboy, Friendless Seniors, podoboq, SirCakez, THE WRONG LYNCH, SnarkySnowman (11)

Fifth Vote

: Sakura Hana @ #1872. All right, HERE's one worth looking harder at. Sakura Hana is shamelessly waggoning here. Zero justification. Even makes it sound like she's not paying any attention at all to the game "I've been playing Tree of Savior." If you look back, #1854, and #1857, Sakura is saying she doesn't even know why people are voting for Ranger. Back in #1338, Sakura said she thought Ranger was TOWN. So, what changed? There is

no

explanation beyond, people are telling her to vote for Ranger so she's just going to do it....This one could

easily

be a scum vote.

Why is it scummy of me to switch my vote to Ranger after reading Spiffeh's "not very long case" on his ISO? Why do you think i can't change a read of mine from a null town to scum? And more importantly, why do you have an issue with my vote NOW as opposed to earlier in the day?

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Dude, at what point did you read Spiffeh's "not very long case?" You certainly never mentioned that.

Once again, it's not rocket science to look at the progression of the discussion to notice it:

I know you know why Rangers being scumread because you've commented on it before.

I know why YOU think she's scum, but when i made that post a lot of ppl were townreading her from what i remember so im wondering what changed.

are you even reading the game?

Nope i was busy all weekend. I've skimmed some of the last couple pages.

hey nacho can u vote ranger plz n thx

TWL vote for Ranger please

3 more ppl asking for votes on Ranger and i dont even understand why...

Because she's scum

ISO me to find all my reasons why in a spoiler

After this i went and read 1796

sakura are you reading the game? like are you caught up? there is tons of info available for ranger scum

sakura are you reading the game? like are you caught up?

Sorry i've been spending way too much time playing Tree of Savior

Well anyway, fine.

VOTE: Ranger

I would think it's obvious to figure out that I go from asking for why ppl are asking for Ranger votes, to see that they ask me to read previous posts/ISO and then i come and vote Ranger, the reason should be obvious.

[Sakura Hana]

Like seriously, this is the second time you mis represent my actions based on events that are going on which should speak for themselves.

[Sakura Hana]

at the very least, you ought to be able to see why your posts, made the way you made them, look questionable

Nope i don't and i dont see where you get this idea that i would, they look completely fine to me.

You're acting like I'm the one who's crazy for even questioning you about them.

If you want to call yourself crazy be that way, but to me it looks more like misrepresentation in order to soft push me without actually pushing me.

Strike 3

VOTE: Axel

[Sakura Hana]

Also, why is Marquis's name green?

Because he's a list mod.

[Sakura Hana]

@talah: I have a neutral read on you and i havent been able to interact with Nacho like at all because he has burshed me off both times.

Then it occurred to me that he was probably a role cop, and Pistachion likely has a nonstandard role name.

Ah, ok that would make sense.

No it doesn't.
If he has a nonstandard role name and talah's a rolecop then the rolecop is useless because you can't get any info out of any scan.

[Sakura Hana]

who are your next best guesses for scum?

tictac

@everyone: I've been coming down with a 39ºC fever, hopefully this'll resolve soon, im not stating V/LA because i've already been inactive enough if it lasts enough to last past prod timer then i suggest i am replaced instead of prodded.

[Sakura Hana]

First of all many apologies to everyone.
But it turns out the fever i've been experienced is caused by me getting hit by Chikungunya virus again, just like last year, and from memory that last one had a duration of a month, i know it's also possible for it to go away in a few weeks but it's been noted to last multiple months as well, and as a result i can't promise when i'll be able to come back and i can't focus on mafia related stuff with this going on, so i think the fairest course of action is for me to replace out and come back to play mafia games once im fully recovered.

@Mod: Taking the above in mind please replace me out

[Sakura Hana]

Hi, sorry for the rep out, but i couldn't risk being away longer than i had been while i was sick. Would have wanted to play more with Nacho and Plot

[Sakura Hana]

After reading through the Dead PT, i did not soft any sort of PR, nor was my intention anyway, your fault there beeboy for misintepreting the post.