A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Marquis]

I am scumreading the hell out of Ranger's entrance and progression.

[Marquis]

i only lied when i altslipped due to circumstances in an ongoing scum game that necessitated my team rely on the impression that i was unfamiliar with site meta

but now it's over so i'm not bothering anymore

[Marquis]

also now that conference is over i can make a readslist the classic way (yay later)

[Marquis]

:( sorry to see you go

TWL and tictac both feel like lynchbait to me too.

As for Skybird the earlier case still stands, and it's not getting better. Still feels like she's constantly testing the waters and waiting things out.

[Marquis]

Dave, talk to me about why we need more dram votes please.

You guys... this isn't town. This is scum trying to be helpful.

[Marquis]

I really, really want to lynch Skybird because her play is only consistent with scum.

[Marquis]

@Mod--confirm my alignment

I was right!

I love Rob.

[Marquis]

Pretty sure he's both. Miller Innocent Child is one of those roles that doesn't provide much functionality but as a mod you can't resist wanting to try out.

[Marquis]

I claimed an investigative role. I didn't get the result I expected.

Why are you finding wagons building and dissolving funny? Is this generally your attitude as town?

Why did you investigate a claimed miller?

Why is it so important that I re-explain an already-detailed case on a player for whom the situation has not changed or improved at all? It's not the full case, but I and other players keep noting how her play consists of transparently empty questioning, peppered with excuses for it when called out.

Also, why are you so... serious? I don't think there's anything helpful in that comment to Mirhawk; it just feels unnecessarily rude. But then you made a snarky comment to me so at least I know you have a sense of humor, if reserved for yourself.

[Marquis]

UNVOTE: pistachi0n

Claiming Miller was really shitty.

So I got a question for you. Your "result" was that she "wasn't miller". So you got "innocent child" as a result? And this was something to wagon? I'm trying to figure out a non-bastard way you could receive that result and have it lead you to believe it was worth a vote.

I'm having similar thoughts. Both role (Rolecop, etc.) and action (Tracker, etc.) investigations don't make sense to me in terms of what would incite a pistachion vote. And if you're a cop who investigated pistachion and voted her...

[Marquis]

Can it with the PR speculation.

No need for platitudes. It's a valid line of inquiry.

What role could have divined that part of pistachion's role was more than just a Miller, such that pistachion was still votable? As in, it's not a Rolecop, Tracker, Cop, or a role of that sort. It's partially curiosity, but more than that, it just doesn't add up to me.

My strongest scumread is still Skybird - who just jumped in, quoted the mod innocent, and unvoted (again, scum just doing the bare minimum to try and look town, with no trajectory of other reads or where to revote).

[Marquis]

Someone tell me to ISO marquis when I have time.
There might be something to glean from the way Marquis is pushing skybird, because something seems off.

-EP

...was I wrong? Are you scum?

EP, I need you to obvtown it up, and soon.

[Marquis]

V/LA until Sunday night EST.

Sorry Rob. :(

[Marquis]

If I had to consolidate, it'd be on VOTE: Axel for his posts reeking of effort concealing motivation.

Not the biggest fan of my wagonmates but I'm not too fond of the other wagons.

Still mostly V/LA; will get access again later tonight.

[Marquis]

In the meantime, I'll put my vote somewhere I know it belongs. VOTE: dramonic. I get that he's a better vig target, but he's the only person I consider obvscum right now, so that's where I'm gonna park while I finish up some projects over the next two days.

Multiple people have repeatedly talked about and referenced games where dramonic does this as town as well. While I could expect a vote for uselessness, it concerns me that you seem to ignore those points and continue on with just calling him obvscum.

I know your play and I know you're not a shallow thinker. So what's up here?

[Marquis]

I'd be happier with Skybird than Axel; why don't you like the Cakez wagon?

Unlike SirCakez, Skybird isn't contributing to the game. Cakez at the very least presents a visble thought progression that reads similarly to his play in our Newbie game together.

But unlike dramonic, Skybird keeps asking questions that don't lead into anything. In other words, unlike dramonic, Skybird is playing like she's trying to look helpful and like she's trying to figure things out, while dramonic just doesn't care. Despite endless questions to people with no followup, Skybird is also very limited on reads. And when she does give reads, it's when she's called out for it, and the reasons are either very general or just amount to "looks bad".

Spoiler: last Skybird posts since her pistachion unvote

Announcement: pistachi0n is town-aligned.

UNVOTE: pistachion

Because literally the only thing she did was pop in, unvote and leave. No comment at all on Pist being IC or how shifty that wagon was.

What's there to comment about? Pist is now confirmed town. I voted her because I have True Ogre as town. It turns out through Mod communication that Pist is town. I unvoted. Then RL intervened and I had to go do other stuff.

Dram, I think you are wrong on your Davesaz read. I feel he is town here. He hasn't been very active but he is reading the thread and asking questions.

You've commented on Axel. What about Podo makes you think he's scum?

Welcome Marquis!

Pistach, I get better as the game goes on. :)

What's bothering me is why you feel the need to talk about this at all.

You brought it up as a scum point against me. I'm responding with the truth.

After looking at last night's actions, how has that changed your reads?

Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Who do you think is scum? When are we going to all realise you're town?

-snip-

I'm having a hard time figuring scum out. I still think FS is scummy, but am concerned that everyone else seems to have shifted away from them. Their posting did change about halfway through D1. FS is smart enough to know that they were being scum read and to shift their comments to seem more town. I also don't think fruit (wig) vendor is AI.

I'm leaning more scum now on tictac. I read through his ISO a few days ago and didn't see much to indicate to me he was scum, but I also didn't see a lot to indicate he was town. That hasn't changed much since I read his ISO and think he could be scum skating by.

I apologize because I'm going to have to finish this up when I get back. Husband just informed me that we have to leave NOW to go look at a boat we are thinking of buying.

Welcome itlepip!

I'm not sure what you mean with post 2648. Do you mean you tried to read him and can't quite figure him out? Or did you try to engage him? lynch him? What exactly did you try to do?

who are your next best guesses for scum?

tictac

@everyone: I've been coming down with a 39ºC fever, hopefully this'll resolve soon, im not stating V/LA because i've already been inactive enough if it lasts enough to last past prod timer then i suggest i am replaced instead of prodded.

I hope you get to feeling better soon! Having a fever sucks.

Pist, I don't think you answered this yet. Who do you think is scum on the ranger wagon?

Who do you think is scum? When are we going to all realise you're town?

-snip-

I'm having a hard time figuring scum out. I still think FS is scummy, but am concerned that everyone else seems to have shifted away from them. Their posting did change about halfway through D1. FS is smart enough to know that they were being scum read and to shift their comments to seem more town. I also don't think fruit (wig) vendor is AI.

I'm leaning more scum now on tictac. I read through his ISO a few days ago and didn't see much to indicate to me he was scum, but I also didn't see a lot to indicate he was town. That hasn't changed much since I read his ISO and think he could be scum skating by.

I apologize because I'm going to have to finish this up when I get back. Husband just informed me that we have to leave NOW to go look at a boat we are thinking of buying.

True Ogre, I wanted to get back to you on this since I didn't get a chance to finish out.

I want to scum read Mirhawk but I am going back and forth on this read. Part of the reason I want to scum read him is because he is scum reading me and I agree that is a really shitty reason to scum read someone. I don't think he's right on Dave being scum. I have Dave as town. Most of the things Mirhawk has pointed out against Dave are him asking meaningless questions and not taking strong stances. But town is going to disagree on who we think are scum so again, this isn't a strong reason for scum reading him. I did like post 879 from Mirhawk. That really reads town to me. I don't agree with calling FS town just because they are a fruit vendor which Mirhawk is basically doing. If I was a mod this would be a great scum role just because most people do read it as a town role. I also didn't like that Mirhawk didn't seem to give any consideration to those of us saying Ranger was town. Anyway, this is basically the argument I am having with myself about whether Mirhawk is town or scum.

After reading the conversation between Cakez and Mirhawk, Mirhawk is moving up on my town list. I feel he has made some good points on Cakez.

-snip-

I still kind of think Seniors is town.

You're probably right. I don't think your wagon analysis piece was going to result in anything productive;

two town counter wagons doesn't really mean much with how the scum team was behaving.

-snip-

Why is this game dead all of a sudden
Spiffeh y did you have to die with your great activity ugh
For the tictac case - just look at his posts on the last page and tell me that's not scum.

While I'll commend Cakez if he's scum here because this post is pretty decently ballsy, this post also feels pretty incredibly fake. As I've said before, I don't mind when people read into dead town's reads and all that good stuff but following them blindly when you didn't really follow the player that closely the day before is pretty fucking iffy, and these sorts of "I'll miss you Spiffeh!" posts never really ring true to me.

What do you mean by the bolded PP? How do you know how the scum team was behaving?

In the second part of the quote, I agree with the "I'll miss you Spiffeh" sentiment ringing false. Put this quote along with the "I tried to save you Ranger" quote from Cakez and he just feels incredibly scummy today.

I'm caught back up now and I think it's time to vote.

VOTE: Sir Cakez

(Note: "I also don't think fruit (wig) vendor is AI." What does that mean? Did nobody question it?)

For example with going to a townread on Mirhawk, her reasons just read like things scum think sound good. As in, after giving basic reasons to both townread and scumread Mirhawk that anyone could have or has already noticed, she finally settles on a weak townread because "I feel he has made some good points on Cakez".

Nacho can you honestly tell me her play doesn't look like scum "scumhunting" based on... how do I put it, what scum objectively think sounds good/reasonable? And based on who seems more agreeable versus more lynchable? Basically her posts and opinions (when she actually provides them when people actually ask for them) just feel so fake, going with the flow of opinion against each player, and just... asasdffaskjhf. HER PLAY IS JUST SO APPARENTLY SCUM TO ME SINCE DAY 1 AND I FEEL LIKE I'M STARING DOWN SOME SORT OF ROBOT ALIEN HYBRID THAT NOBODY ELSE SEES.

I'm having an extremely hard time buying that her posts this game, including the most recent ones, serve more of a purpose than scum coasting and trying to at least do more than the laziest town, which may or may not be me/dramonic.

ALSO IN CAPS, WHY DO WE KEEP DOING THIS THING WHERE MULTIPLE PEOPLE AGREE SHE'S SCUM, SHE DISAPPEARS OR SOMETHING, AND THEN WE VOTE OTHER PEOPLE FOR ACTIVELY LOOKING BAD AND NOT CARING INSTEAD OF INACTIVELY LOOKING BAD BUT TRYING TO LOOK GOOD.

I just. am so frustrated by all of this. like maybe my all caps-ing looks kind of unnecessary to everyone else but I don't get how we always have this pattern of multiple likely-town players agreeing on a scumread on a player but then shiny things happen and wooo! town wagons instead and blahhhh

[Marquis]

Well, yeah, but I'd find it weirder if Skybird didn't backtrack on her vote after Pistach revealed to be an IC... Wouldn't you?

The point is she's quick to be here and vote and unvote based on someone else's guilty, but extremely slow to provide her own reads (or doesn't at all unless asked!), and posts sporadically just asking people questions that she never seems to actually care about at all.

[Marquis]

VOTE: Skybird

Whatever, I'm back here.

I feel like a lot of town is just talking past each other today, so whatever alignment TPP is, props to them for at least trying to address everything and making me feel like what I'm pushing actually kind of matters a little maybe.

[Marquis]

before anyone comments, I'm already townreading all three players above - TPP the least strongly as I think both heads are able to trick me

[Marquis]

I'll be here later, but I'm liking a lot of everyone on the last page so

That's... a really useless statement.
Zero opinions, just hearts for everyone, really?

lol irony

at least they're town!

[Marquis]

or, well, townier than u

[Marquis]

just vote skybird, hippy. i've already been reining in the urge to vote you.

(hint: FS is a great great vig shot, along with maybe cerb or axel)

[Marquis]

don't care hippy. this is mala's town game, and even then we're lynching skybird.

actually now that cheetory mafia is done, i can say that you adopted the same indignant response to tunneling here that you did when we were scum together in cheetory mafia. i'm not too confident because a lot of that in cheetory mafia was on spiffeh's end, but you're on my shortlist for scum after skybird's lynch.

[Marquis]

To be blunt, out of the "useless" pool, I consider TWL and dramonic to probably be the worst vig choices.

[Marquis]

if you want a scumflip, vote piper, dave.

Yea, basically gut but I have reasoning. Feeling to lazy to describe, but yeah. His response to me yesterday/his recent posting has me sure hes town.

"if you want a scumflip ... has me sure he's town?"

hiplop, I wasn't referring to you being inactive in the face of pressure; that's a strawman and one you're taking unusual care to attack me for. I was referring to you being indignant and having a non-cooperative fit over being scumread by beeboy and others, as was exactly what happened in Cheetory Mafia when we were scum together and you got the day 1 heat (and after people unvoted you there, you also retreated and lurked significantly more, which was what happened here!). And in my post originally mentioning that, I never even said you were being inactive; I specifically said you were acting indignantly just as I'm clarifying now.

Also, you're not inactive sitewide, while I've been sporadically V/LA the past month and/or less active as I deal with other site things. Even then, it's not about me criticizing you for being inactive, and I keep coming back to this because I never even mentioned that, and yet it's like you're putting it at the forefront of my own argument because it's the easiest thing for you to refute.

[Marquis]

Why is Skybird lynchbait instead of scum?

Boils down to thinking that the reasons people scumread her for are crap.
When lots of people are attacking someone for things that can be more easily explained by being new, that says 'lynchbait' to me.
I'll make an list for ya, when I'm done catching up.

Tbh sky bird doesn't scream new though. She's been playing for like almost two years so I think we have a different definition of new

I'll get to everything else later, but this^. I've played with her multiple times since 2014, and her play right now is like she's regressed to the very beginning of that. It's shallow for what she's actually capable of as town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Even back then, while asking lots of questions, she's very open with reads and how those questions affect things. There's at least some followup. Her play here looks like a poor imitation of that.

[Marquis]

Skybird, are you caught up? Any reads?

Yeah, I'm starting to do ISO's now to further my reads but right now here's where I am:

My strongest townread is Tammy. I'm feeling pretty confident she is town. Spiffah is also pretty town.

I'm leaning town on Dramonic. He's playing like he did in the last game I was in with him. I'm also leaning town on you.

I'm not sure about Beeboy. He's making a lot of noise and I don't see his push on FS. But maybe I'm missing something that FS has did that makes him scummy. FS is on my ISO list.

I'm trying to sort Ami right at the moment. I didn't like her statement in 685 because it sounds like she doesn't want to scum hunt.

I have a lot of null reads because they haven't posted or what they posted didn't make a big impression on me.

p-edit: TWL, what am I missing? Ami's post struck me as weird. Why does it not bother you?

I am commenting on things as I see them. I'm really not quite sure what you are getting at with the spread out comment.

In my head I have the town separated into several groups based on who they talk with the most as well as which wagon they're on.

The people in your list aren't ones I associate with each other.

I comment on what I see and in some instances who I know.

For example, Tammy. I have played with her a few times and I feel this is her town game. Same with Spiffeh.

I have also played with SirCakez before and I scum read him for his posting and he wasn't scum. :( I am being cautious about sorting him because I don't want to make that mistake again. I don't have an organized way I go through the player list and comment on people.

Why do you feel some people are associated together?

Noting by way of Plotinus' compilation post that Skybird's readslist-esque posts oddly associate Spiffeh and Tammy prior to their death whereas the other positions are spread out. Probably doesn't mean anything on a large scale but if Skybird flips scum it's notable that scum probably noticed the lovers' associations early on.

[Marquis]

Noting by way of Plotinus' compilation post that Skybird's readslist-esque posts oddly associate Spiffeh and Tammy prior to their death whereas the other positions are spread out. Probably doesn't mean anything on a large scale but if Skybird flips scum it's notable that scum probably noticed the lovers' associations early on.

I've never played with lovers before, but I was under the impression that they didn't know who each other were.

Lovers informed of each others' identities is common, but a joint ISO confirms it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Hi!

VOTE: The Pied Piper

Nacho you'd love my musical!

Hey Tammers

I hope you're town this game

like me

prod-dodge.

sorry. I'm right in the middle of something right now. I'm going to try to read some of this tonight, but I might not be able to until tomorrow.

I did read the first page the other night though and don't worry spiffeh a town-Tammy is here, also nacho you wound me by doubting the musical reference.

Also Skybird is not lynchbait when wagons repeatedly refuse to form on her despite people often putting her as a "backburner" scumread. That's attention-deprived scum.

pedit - Plot, lovers don't

want

to crumb, that's counter-intuitive. But it's instinctive to want to at least address it in some very subtle fashion.

[Marquis]

This is all in hindsight and I didn't pick up on it the first time. But my point earlier was that it's possible a scum player did and shared it with the team - Skybird's posts disproportionately associated Tammy and Spiffeh together way before Day 1 ended.

It's fairly pointless now, but if Skybird flips scum it's indicative that other scum players may have been subconsciously letting their knowledge of those Lovers slip through as well.

[Marquis]

The difference is there's been constant discussion and often votes on Cakez today and towards the end of yesterday. Whereas with Skybird votes hop on every once in a while then soon disperse to shiny new wagons, and discussion of Skybird is limited to when I or others push it. Nobody really holds her accountable.

[Marquis]

On the NKA front, I think Skybird's strong townread on Spiffeh favors her being framed by the NK rather than being on the scum team. Isn't scum 101 to kill someone other town are townreading?

I don't find NKA too useful because it's just as likely scum kills someone because scum themselves think the target is obviously town.

I'm not giving my earlier point as NKA, I'm giving it as something to look into should Skybird flip scum as I expect. I've already said this.

Mirhawk I think you're town, but I think your position on this and the multiple low wagons only hurt town. At least Cakez is addressing points instead of waiting them out or talking around them. Finally bringing Skybird to L-2 or even L-1 would be great, unlike this constant pattern of non-threatening fickle wagons that don't draw anything out of scum.

[Marquis]

TPP wagon is so conveniently in opposition to Skybird
hiplop reads like his smug scumplay

[Marquis]

you are So Authentic

[Marquis]

Marquis is Kato'ing me. I really think that has scum intentions

vote me if you think I'm scum, coward.

i think skybird is more scum and skybird is more worthy of lynching
why would i break apart a wagon i've wanted but haven't seen form since day 1

[Marquis]

what's that quote about apathy again? or was it indifference?... just as bad as active malice

in this case that's still scummy as heck, like even more than pushing for ranger's lynch would be. at least then you would look like you had some sort of investment in a read

[Marquis]

I'm here and will be checking in frequently. I'm still OK with my FS vote. I feel Ranger is town and won't be voting there.

I am 100% okay with lynching Ranger to sort other people.

I'm looking to justify my Skybird read this way in fact.

I'm town reading Ranger. I'm not going to vote them. What about this is going to help you sort me?

Darn, I just knew my town reads on Ranger and Tammy were correct.

I need to look at tictac before I vote there. I didn't really pay much attention to him yesterday.

Skybird's posts immediately before and after the Ranger lynch.

you guys...

[Marquis]

Like if you're townreading someone and you're town, you want to stop them from being lynched or at least make a push somewhere else. Skybird's done none of that; she just said Ranger was town to her which obviously did nothing for anyone and effectively stayed quiet about the lynch and other lynch options.

Her play here looks like it's all based on getting her positioning right, not getting on the Ranger wagon but she has no real investment in any other vote because Ranger was going to end up the mislynch anyway. And now as expected she's using this to be able to say "but you guys I didn't want the mislynch". Well, saying it and acting on it are two different things. What Skybird's done here with Ranger is par for the course for a player this much more experienced with town than scum - I'm holding her towngame to a much higher standard than this, but not her scumgame.

She was also townreading Spiffeh just as much as Tammy yet chose not to mention his death.

[Marquis]

Not buying it but not sure what to think of her earlier treating this claim like some sort of smoking gun.

[Marquis]

no, mala is town, and tpp is town enough today

I've played with mala enough to know when it's her towngame too and this is it. The inactivity doesn't mean anything when it comes to her, but when she's here she's genuine af and playing exactly to her town meta. look somewhere else

[Marquis]

I want Skybird hammered because it's a really opportunistic claim for someone who hasn't done anything to support it. And it doesn't excuse the play still; you can lay low and still speak out against the lynches of your townreads. like wtf her play is not town

[Marquis]

I'm here and will be checking in frequently. I'm still OK with my FS vote. I feel Ranger is town and won't be voting there.

I am 100% okay with lynching Ranger to sort other people.

I'm looking to justify my Skybird read this way in fact.

I'm town reading Ranger. I'm not going to vote them. What about this is going to help you sort me?

Darn, I just knew my town reads on Ranger and Tammy were correct.

I need to look at tictac before I vote there. I didn't really pay much attention to him yesterday.

Skybird's posts immediately before and after the Ranger lynch.

you guys...

Like if you're townreading someone and you're town, you want to stop them from being lynched or at least make a push somewhere else. Skybird's done none of that; she just said Ranger was town to her which obviously did nothing for anyone and effectively stayed quiet about the lynch and other lynch options.

Her play here looks like it's all based on getting her positioning right, not getting on the Ranger wagon but she has no real investment in any other vote because Ranger was going to end up the mislynch anyway. And now as expected she's using this to be able to say "but you guys I didn't want the mislynch". Well, saying it and acting on it are two different things. What Skybird's done here with Ranger is par for the course for a player this much more experienced with town than scum - I'm holding her towngame to a much higher standard than this, but not her scumgame.

She was also townreading Spiffeh just as much as Tammy yet chose not to mention his death.

like, this still stands independent of her role claim and usage.

and #2369 still reads really "eh" as a first-post-into-Day-2

[Marquis]

My problem with Mala has a great deal of how much time she wasted arguing pointlessly with Tammy. She had limited time to play, and spent most of it in a nothing conversation. Unless that argument was WAY more passive-aggressive then I read it neither of them were even actually mad at each other.

Is this a part of her town meta?

lol yes

mala can get fixated on the smallest or weirdest things as town

she's one of those players where sometimes it doesn't feel like you're playing the same game but it's probably because she's town. it's not due to any inability to play well or something, but as scum she usually feels more pressure to be your, well, Typical Town Player^TM

[Marquis]

nacho why did you unvote skybird

of course the claim was going to be unconfirmable, any scum fakeclaim is. skybird had to ride on the inherent towniness of the role she claimed, which kingmaker provides. in other words it's not in any way a bad fakeclaim for a scum!skybird to make and the whole "why would she do this as scum" argument is tired and unhelpful

i also highly highly doubt rob wouldn't provide scum with fakeclaims in this game as well, he's experienced enough in both large power-heavy themes and modding to know it's practically necessary

[Marquis]

^she's not new and it serves no purpose other than to give others the impression that there's something real behind the curtain of unprovability.
it's like when scum try to convince themselves their lies are real in order to come off more genuine.

[Marquis]

of course the claim was going to be unconfirmable, any scum fakeclaim is. skybird had to ride on the inherent towniness of the role she claimed, which kingmaker provides. in other words it's not in any way a bad fakeclaim for a scum!skybird to make and the whole "why would she do this as scum" argument is tired and unhelpful

it's specifically the "i'm a one-shot kingmaker and i targeted tammy" bit that gets me
if she had a kingmaker fake claim, why not just claim that she had a kingmaker shot left? if she was afraid of not being confirmed, then it makes more sense to go with another claim completely because this does literally nothing for her

it's not a bad fakeclaim, even not taking into account the wagon stall due to it
why claim there's a shot left if it's not going to be provable?
she's not afraid of not being confirmed, she doesn't NEED confirmation. she claimed a role that, while not confirmable, is inherently town aligned in this setup.
this claim is literally akin to claiming 1-shot friendly neighbor that was used up on a dead player, a claim that looks bad on paper but is so easy for scum to get away with
it injects town with the same fallacious mentality subconscious or not "if it's real it's pretty much confirmed town" even though it won't be confirmable without a rolecop that we shouldn't be gambling on

[Marquis]

I think everyone needs to look at NY177 and see how Marquis convinced herself that I was scum and even said in that game she wouldn't be able to see me any other way. She is in that same mind-frame here, totally convinced she is right (when she is totally wrong). It is seriously pissing me off!

this is your argument on me when you literally just said i should be lynched next?

[Marquis]

psa: i was also town in the game skybird was referencing, and her play here is drastically different as well in ways i've already outlined

[Marquis]

btw if she is a scum kingmaker it's definitely limited with something like Weak

[Marquis]

dwlee is probably town, btw
twl also town
skybird's last post even now still read like a scum "good luck"
hiplop should be powerlynched if skybird flips scum too
he would be the type to harddefend a scumpartner

[Marquis]

no
listen to me
FS/tictac/Axel
not mala. not dram, probably.

[Marquis]

please! :)

[Marquis]

Whatever.

Not really in the mood so GN

ilu stay safe

[Marquis]

lol why should we
i agree it's fully plausible those two (tpp) bussed skybird
in fact more than plausible
but FS and maybe tictac are way better lynches

[Marquis]

Yeah I won't you're right
After that flip they are even more obvtown

not really tbh
the unvote and vote lategame looked like scum giving a partner a chance (that skybird fked up by making a nonsensical progression on me) and their original skybird vote came at the start of the wagon, when it didn't seem like it might actually happen

they also did the whole "i like amihan but the skybird case is eh" thing early day 1

I'm just not voting them because plot is helpful enough in her data analysis and it might just be my paranoia and other lynches are better

[Marquis]

oh that reminds me I'm a 2 shot cop with innocents on twl and dave ok bye

[Marquis]

Please confirm the way your results are. Are they innocent/guilty? Town/not town? Mafia/not mafia? The exact nature of your clears is really important, since certain sorts of clears might still be 3p, and others might not be.

the first!

Shit checks but w/e

i really wanted them both to be guilties.

[Marquis]

VOTE: FS

horrible wig post

[Marquis]

It doesn't actually do anything in game therms other then the fact that the person he gave it to is confirmed to have received one.

no - oftentimes when a vendor role is in a game, the mafia can only submit one night action. in other words, it's more likely in this game than in others that mafia can't both use a kill and an individual action at once

[Marquis]

It is entirely possible some of this comes from the fact that FS is no longer screaming I am scum every time he posts, which has a tendency to make me want to respond in kind, which is a character flaw in my game that I recognize.

...this is a post i make in like 90% of my scumgames

noting just because it fits the pattern of scum!axel i kinda saw earlier but anyway

[Marquis]

or you know, we both had hella personal things to deal with?

fuck off I wouldn't lie about that

This isn't and hasn't been my issue with your slot. My issue is that when you do come in, you've been defending Skybird in a way not at all uncharacteristic of how you personally defend a scumpartner to death, your stances on other competing wagons have felt opportunistic, and it's like you always try to discredit people scumreading you or scumread them in turn instead of putting forth the kind of helpful townplay I know you're capable of.

The only issue I have with your inactivity is how multiple times now, you've used it to strawman the arguments of people scumreading you in this very way (the inactivity is not alignment indicative, but always defaulting to use that as your defense when we have more prominent issues with your play is).

[Marquis]

I say "he could potentially have not sent a vendor action because he was using another scum action", you say "fuck off we had personal things to deal with". I get that but I don't take it as any valid excuse from scum anymore, and it's still not the meat of the issue.

[Marquis]

I thought you had a dramonic innocent, itle.

[Marquis]

Or rather, some sort of positive result (positive meaning good).

[Marquis]

Thanks for putting my Seniors thoughts into words.

I remember I was going to investigate Axel but then I was like "why would I need to cop a slot so obviously scum" while forgetting what the general consensus on that slot was. It's the slot I'd lynch without hesitation if I wasn't so passionate about other reads tho.

[Marquis]

I'll be around late tomorrow.

[Marquis]

dude. It was a soft. It was a soft when we already have a claimed cop. LYNCH IT

itlepip earlier softed a dramonic inno. so.

[Marquis]

:/

is a town dwlee really this blindly bloodthirsty

[Marquis]

You're trying to auto the game based off of a townbloc?

because it always works so well

(cough cough titus in machina mafia cough cough)

[Marquis]

sorry that was probably mean; titus isn't always off but her attitude was very frustrating that game especially when all of the scum were in her "townbloc"

also it's not a universally applicable instance but i'm just saying solving through townblocs generally isn't reliable. creating a group of "more-likely-town"s and "don't-lynch"es does help though and i think that's what i want to get back into in a bit, after my stuff tonight

[Marquis]

I would lynch FS or Axel right now I think.

[Marquis]

I still want to reread when exams aren't so painful.

[Marquis]

Favorite post right there.

Dwlee this might be a bit hypocritical but I think you're taking everything abnormal as being scummy? Or rather I don't see a worthwhile scum motive in building softclaims the way they did (since they're not Titus, anyway).

I think Dwlee is townish and TPP is null-but-not-worth-lynching-right-now. Let Plot make a few more ISO maps first.

[Marquis]

That's a half-joke and not the main reason I'm holding off on TPP, btw. I think they'd be more useful postgame; give it one more Day or something before I look into that again.

[Marquis]

Things like Podo coming in and asking for our death while obviously not reading is just frustrating

feel free to jump down my throat again but this is still a vry commonly scum reaction to this kind of suspicion, good night

[Marquis]

This is a phone post from EP and my hands are freezing so bear with me

at first glance, i didn't like your first thing about how you wished we were town together. But i guess it doesnt mean much.

"Sometimes a scum player busses and sometimes they dont" is not even close to a response to me. Im asking yoy to tell me whether you think that i would pull off a half-assed bus at a weak attempt of distancing, which is pretty clearly what your slot is accusing me of, and you're dancing around that response with words that mean nothing in context. Id be totally fine with you saying "no errant, i think you are perfectly capable of leaving associative tells behind for town to pick up if you were scum," but you seem unwilling to actually engage me on this point. I feel like we're looking at this event from different lenses.

Ill let hiplop respond to the stuff on him, but i will say that because of my lack of engagement in this game, i havent been using associatives and as a result dont see a need to reevaluate my reads based on flips. The reads i have stay standing in a vacuum.

I will take the time to go back and explain my reads (i barely know them myself) because it seems like a majority of your case, at least the errant part of it, is progression based. It would probably help me get my foot in the door for this game anyway.
______
Marquis, i have an iissue with your recent post. Im picking up almost no similarity between PP's and your points about us. There's nothing that indicates that you're on the same page with piper here but your post is worded in a way that makes it look like 1) you're not just jumping on piper's reasoning, you're had those thoughts too and 2) you're on the same page as them. And it seems to me that neither of those things are true.

I hate myself a bit for being paranoid because I know that Cheetory is a large factor. I dont want to be the kind of person that makes past incidents reduce conviction in reads. So i guess you're still town.

actually before I forget, I want to go back to this - I don't put effort-under-huge-stress posts from EP past him as scum, as he did that very effectively to almost win Space Invaders a month or so ago.

but more than that, I understand where you're coming from with Cheetory Mafia if you're town, but there are so many minor things about you and hiplop together that just coalesce into a big pile of scum. the problem is I keep looking for some sort of ace in the hole that could tell me I'm wrong here and yet when you guys come back in it's with tactics that I've seen each of you use before as scum. if you were an individual player it wouldn't be as bad but when I recognize scum patterns from both heads it's extremely difficult to read you guys otherwise. like I want to because maybe it's a personal thing and I want to be able to show sympathy on a personal level, but realistically I'm playing this game to help town win and nothing so far including personal matters (plus how you've both addressed them, particularly hiplop's responses) is mutually exclusive from being scum

I was on the same page as TPP in that they've picked up on a lot of the minor tics I've had issues with. I'm aware it might be unfair to not present the whole mass of them succinctly to you so you can counter but 1) I don't think any of us are committed enough to type that all up or read it all or analyze it in depth 2) it's finals and Relay for Life time and I really should be sleeping and 3) gamewise I'm not convinced that giving you another chance will get me anything besides another one of the the multiple scum-esque responses I've already seen

basically you guys are in a ditch right now. I'm not saying I don't think you're scum, I'm saying that even as scum this is kind of one of those universal reads it's going to be hard for you to rid everyone's views of with the way you and we have been limited with posting lately.

that was poorly worded but again, an attempt at brevity: both of your reads have made strings of responses I've seen you use as scum to fairly good effect recently, and strings of responses that semantically look like town statements but realistically are feelings that scum feel too. it's like you're playing the game of "being honest, but only in the ways that both sides can be honest in the same way" or whatever. ya feel? someone feel.

it's also a pattern of being so wrong or opposite on reads from both heads that i'm confused, because it doesn't even feel like you're trying to adapt your reads to view the game more accurately, since your slot was one of the most vocally wrong ones and i'd expect the skybird scumflip and who pushed it and my innos and my claim to jar you both more than it has too.

static incorrect reads that PLOP just sit there.

i have a lot of different issues with your slot and instead of rambling on i'm going to go to sleep like i was supposed to a long time ago.

[Marquis]

That's a half-joke and not the main reason I'm holding off on TPP, btw. I think they'd be more useful postgame; give it one more Day or something before I look into that again.

ugh this is how people like plot/nacho win games

please make a post that i KNOW comes from town
you both have it in you and have done it reliably enough for me before
but not once this game have i seen something emotionalish that can't just be covered under "scum get annoyed by 'bad' towns too", or in the more conventional sense, "scum upset by getting caught for 'dumb' reasons"

[Marquis]

i am also really really obviously town, have been even before I helped bring attention unnecessarily back onto scum, and i think you've been playing a scumgame from a static viewpoint formed prior to the skybird scumlynch. where town necessarily recognizes that something happened that may affect how they view the game associatively, scum often feels trapped between how to perform reevaluation and how to maintain read "consistency" and that can lead to the kind of "wtf aren't we over this already" reads you guys are wielding here.

[Marquis]

disagree on skybird because i still compared the meta then too but it's irrelevant and your self awareness does nothing for me, sorry :(
i'll be back eventually but i really do want you guys to be town but i'm absolutely not seeing it and that's a red flag for me. it's different from just "everything you do is scummy", it's not-quite-but-a-bit-closer-to "nothing you do is as reasonably towny as i've come to expect seeing by now"

[Marquis]

Can we just lynch FS and cut all of...

this

*vague hand wave* short?

[Marquis]

Occam's Razor: Nacho and Plot are good at picking up on crumbs, and Nacho and Plot are not sloppy scum players

[Marquis]

TPP fakeclaimed an inno on someone (which he admitted to) in order to stop the vigilante from killing a town read of his that he is super confident in because of a neighborizor tictac had that he used on tpp where, also they had info on prs because they are good at picking up info on prs

this whole situation epitomizes the tired old "lynch what we don't understand" story

maybe we lynch them later, idk, but as you've been told before, right now all your reasons for calling them scum point to them being town

[Marquis]

You're still wrong about FS though, amd you should have fucking checked them because this is a huge fucking distraction, and the fact that you didn't makes me VERY suspicious of you.

we can disagree on cop theory all you want but the fact is i wanted to settle slots that were doing relatively nothing, with relatively no reaction to them doing nothing

and now i have two innos on players that otherwise would have been very unlikely to be nightkilled

even controversial players are better nk targets than those who make relatively no impact + can be lynched

whatever

[Marquis]

because that is an outrageous stance given what has happened.

You are just never going to lynch or question plot/nacho...because they don't play sloppy?

why bother playing mafia at all then fuck marquis. If you're town, get out of nachos ass

Exactly. You're still wrong about FS though, amd you should have fucking checked them because this is a huge fucking distraction, and the fact that you didn't makes me VERY suspicious of you.

yeah, why the fuck didn't you do this?

I don't quite care to divine whether "jumping down my throat once you sense other people are open to criticizing or discrediting me too" is a town tactic or scum tactic but whatever it is it's really not necessary

[Marquis]

I actually agree there. Your made good cops

I don't like your attitude regarding me, regardless.

if you want me to reword my feelings on today, it would be that I'm not giving you another chance at survival, because I think everyone else deserves one more

[Marquis]

which is fucking bogus

you know I'm town marquis

no I don't and saying that might elicit an emotional+beneficial response in others but not me, but we've gone over this before so I'll stop talking because apathy is growing

[Marquis]

hi cerb! I'm not a big fan of the way you seem to just appear out of nowhere and talk at others about how their play was bad. what's up with that?

[Marquis]

Occam's Razor: Nacho and Plot are good at picking up on crumbs, and Nacho and Plot are not sloppy scum players

yes because I totally know this information thank.you for reminding me of these things that I forgot how coukd I be so stupid. :roll:

I mean I might be mistaken but dude I think we've been telling you this while you just kept posting "kill them". And as Mirhawk/whoever said, their posts clearly held more than the standard attention to detail.

Anyway this is entirely irrelevant now in the grand scheme of please-can-we-lynch-someone-and-go-to-night-so-i-can-die.

I think FS is still the most worthwhile lynch. If anyone cared to look into the lower volume posters we might find something better a la Skybird, but until the game gets to heal a bit I would be very happy with removing someone who is actually more likely than not scum in my PoV!

[Marquis]

itching out a cerb vote.

Marquis, I think this is scum coasting. Do you agree?

I know Cerb's a good player so I'm trying to determine where the burden of proficiency mark lies. Ask me again when the good number of players like me currently going through exams are, well, not going through exams

meh.

I'd vote him but what's just screaming out at me here is another instance of you being opportunistic in opposition to a lynch I wanted, even if that lynch is you. In other words it probably comes off as petty that I'm not going for it because you offered to go for it, but that's where my instincts lie right now. (It's not a personal thing!)

[Marquis]

Marquis, I'm town.

You don't want all those cleared town alive tomorrow. I can actually do good this game.

Don't let me die when you're likely to tonight.

Lets lynch cerb or someone like that, and I'll settle down on the TPP thing until we're absolutely sure I'm right.

I'm letting you know I've seen this post, and that I'm still voting you. sorry! night for now

[Marquis]

i honestly wouldn't be too mad if he was vigged depending on your flip

[Marquis]

welp

something has happened!

[Marquis]

UNVOTE: fs

i found scumstuff that i want to push more! gimme a sec, but it's relatively strong enough compared to the FS stuff that i thiiiiink it'd be quite a bit better

[Marquis]

(psa this is going to be pretty anticlimactic because i just realized i'm going to be late to work if i full-expand now but)

If Marquis is a cop then he checked the right people.

Low activity people who scum probably won't leverage a NK against are good targets.

okaaaaaaaay guys here's where the fun actually begins. Mirhawk making this "~if~ marquis is a cop" post pushed me to do an ISO dive on him to check if this really weird unnecessary qualifications placed when talking about my role had any precedent (basically matching it up against how scum do that thing where they're all like "iffff this player is this role" to make it look like they're uninformed town who doesn't know if, whereas town surprisingly often forego that "if" and auto-assume something this believable to be true)

VOTE: Mirhawk

and while his "skeptical" stance on me post-my-claim today matches up somewhat (except him dropping my innocents as scumreads and pushes entirely, despite supposedly not fully believing my claim) I'm reasonably confident that Mirhawk is scum due to really really weird inconsistencies in his reads onnnn

Spoiler: skybird (which his read on seemed to change as the support for it did, including mentions of her in between the inconsistencies without any sort of indication of read on her)

My strongest scumread is still Skybird - who just jumped in, quoted the mod innocent, and unvoted (again, scum just doing the bare minimum to try and look town, with no trajectory of other reads or where to revote).

you're looking at 2534 as a scum indicative post right now. And I'm having a hard time believing that you actually believe that.
Sure, some of skybird's stuff D1 was not good stuff but how is unvoting an IC alignment indicative at all? How would Skybird reasonably expect to think that she was looking town from that move? How does the amount of effort that Skybird puts in indicative?
you're either hard confbiasing right now or just trying to get skybird lynched based on faulty premises.

-EP

I'm with this.

2872

Yeah, Skybird never stopped being scum. I still support this.

@Marquis
You can count me as being on the Skybird wagon. My vote isn't there, but I definitely support it.

I just don't really want to move off Cakez because I feel like if I let him slip away I'm not going to get another chance because somehow everyone isn't seeing how obviously scummy he is.

So you're saying
Every single person who has a high scumread on someone needs to go indepth on their scumread on them, keep pushing the wagon forward and continuously analyze your posts? That's terrible, not every read is going to get a ton of justification.
I've never pushed wagons on Pist (except for the Miller CC, but that wasn't a scumread for anything else) or Piper, and Skybird isn't attacking me right now.

You made a hundred and fifteen posts before you got around to your justification. That's not failing to go in depth, that's failing to do anything.

What serious scumhunting did you do during that time frame that required you to not push your top read? There was none, you just kept a running commentary on the game.

The fact that skybird any pistachio aren't your scumreads is my point. You keep trying to paint this situation as you being exclusively attacked by your scumreads, and that isn't true.

I was going to make a joke about eating cake after chicken or something like that, but then I realized that was dumb.

I can play ball on this, other people are supporting this wagon now so I'm not as worried about it dying out overnight. Not to mention I'm having a hard time believing I can scrape five more votes up by the end of the day.

Unvote
Vote: Skybird

and

Spoiler: sircakez, who i'll pull up more quotes on later bc i'm rushing right now

Going to admit I've been avoiding the game because I don't want to reread day one. I'm thinking I'll just not do it, that'll help. I'm not super enguaged with what's going on today in any case. Marquis killed both of my secondary scumreads leaving me with only Cakez, and to be honest I'm getting tired of pushing him. He's obviously scum but you all have your heads up your butts and don't want to see it or something like that.

I more or less believe Nacho's response, at least in regards to the joat/neiborizer bit. I think that they handled the whole thing super friggin awkwardly but I do believe it.

I do however still have problems with the "exaggeration" over how many PR's were on the line. Not only that, but there wasn't much reason to out Cakez just now, as it's more of a matter that they think he's the vig rather then they know. Pretty much everyone and their dog was calling for a hit on snarky so I dunno.

The exaggeration was in essence a lie. A lie told to the rest of town for what benefit precisely? I'm not sure what that wizard stuff is about or how they thought it would help town, because I don't really see how it would. Just like I don't get why you would out Cakez just now when you could have just as easily defused Dwlee's argument without doing that.

I don't believe in lynch all liars, as it's stupid and inflexible in general. I do however believe that any lying being done to other members of the town does have to be for some kind of tangible benefit. If you can't trust the word of other townies the game become exponentially more difficult for town.

I'm not seeing a benefit in saying you had to out multiple PR's to explain your read on Tictac, would you care to explain it to me.

Also pushing Dwlee for this is dumb. He noticed a clear discrepancy in the information Piper was providing and pushed it. Saying he should have made an intuitive leap and known that Piper wasn't saying their information came from their role is stupid. It's so much easier to say it was obvious in hindsight and everyone who's saying he should have noticed it is being scummy as hell, if it's so obvious why weren't any of you saying anything about it over the last couple days.

Also Cakez, it'd be super cool if you didn't shoot me if you are the vig.

...who mirhawk goes from
>a massive push and top scumread when skybird was gaining traction
>to word for word "to be honest I'm getting tired of pushing him [sircakez]. He's obviously scum but you all have your heads up your butts"
>to somehow immediately believing tpp's crumb pickup claims despite scumreading tpp intensely, immediately treating cakez like town, and practically catering to cakez with like no mention of any paranoia or anything, which makes no sense given he was your biggest scumread toward the end of day 2

i have to go but like what the heck how was this not visible before

his treatment of skybird + tpp + cakez + me_and_my_innos is inconsistent and nonsensical to various degrees

[Marquis]

plus the whole early game miller-lynching-despite-belief stuff which altogether forms too much of a pattern of scum motivation to just be unlucky town

[Marquis]

yeah looked again to see if it was just a moment of desperation but man i am really seeing this every single time i go back into it

bbl but if people who love me and believe in me this game want to join me here (including you, FS and mala and dave!) please please do because man i just found my footing again! and it feels rly rly good :)

[Marquis]

look hippop
not bussing is great and all
but could you just pretend to be as willing to work with me now as you were earlier
and vote mirhawk already

[Marquis]

dramonic it was an outline of a case
i'm not completely done yet
but damn if anyone actually goes through his iso and sees his oddly dropped pushes and reads and the pattern of scum-motivation/opportunism

i appreciate everyone else suddenly wanting to comment on things
i don't really appreciate the hmmming and uhhhing

[Marquis]

@someone I trust, is there anything proving itlepip as town? I can't remember

it's like every time i push something with decently expressed conviction you pull a new fish out of your butt and try to slap me into a new direction with it

[Marquis]

like i start pushing you and pulling up reasons why you'd be a reasonable scumlynch
you push to the forefront "hmmm that cerb guy he isn't doing anything"
i start making a push on mirhawk that's also now getting wagon support
your first response is "well what about itlepip then he hasn't been town again in the last few pages"

i'll give more on mirhawk and condense it when i'm not on the go but like. man. pull a plotinus, look at how he's jumped around post to post on his skybird/cakez kinda-dichotomy, and maybe others too

[Marquis]

I'm still all good for lynching Mirhawk or Axel but right now I have limited time to post. Sorry.

[Marquis]

upset by fs ditching mirhawk when it gets to l-2

don't wanna do associative tells but not liking either of those slots makes it feel worse

[Marquis]

just feels opportunistic

staying on mirhawk myself

cakez move back please

also nah cakez is townier and never hedged on him before. that seems more blatant, and axel wasn't in danger of lynch when cakez moved over

[Marquis]

hiplop self-awareness isn't a towntell for u, jsyk

[Marquis]

I have a result of significance. Prod dodging for now as I continue seeing more specific interactions develop.

[Marquis]

That's why I'm not super Pissed at you. I still wish you had waited until marquis had time to say something, she's our cop.

Someone tell me how in the world they find this to sound genuine.

I don't believe Mirhawk seriously thought he was hammered. shotty's fakehammer post didn't even make any sense with where his reads were at just a second ago.

[Marquis]

I mean there's a good chance shotty/True Ogre's slot could have actually been scum based on how he's playing around the Mirhawk mess but that's for later.

[Marquis]

@Mod: 13 players haven't posted in almost 3 days and you haven't prodded a single one of them. What the hell happened?

[Marquis]

jk jk ilu

anyway all downtime jokes aside

it's Tuesday! and Mirhawk is still alive.

[Marquis]

Well I wanted to see how people would alter play around it but the downtime and absence hasn't been too helpful. I don't have a result; I already claimed I was 2-shot yesterday. ;P People seemed to forget though so I was just like "meh".

I'm fine with lynching and getting on with this.

[Marquis]

Sorry guys. This has fallen by the wayside during finals, but I should be back and catching up in the next two days.

[Marquis]

I'm quickly realizing my drive to play this game has been weakening the more and more this Mirhawk-TPP-no-I-am-the-top-poster thing continues and judging from recent activity patterns I'm sure it's not just me. This also feels petty to say but I feel like Nacho and Plot should both recognize how much his hydra is contributing to gamewide apathy.

At this point I'm still all for lynching Mirhawk and moving on, but while I don't think I'll actively vote TPP myself I wouldn't be too upset to see them gone.

[Marquis]

how much their hydra*

[Marquis]

Mirhawk:

podoboq

,

itlepip

,

Flubbernugget

,

SirCakez

(4)

The Pied Piper:

Dwlee99

, dramonic,

Mirhawk

(3)

green = somewhat of a townread
yellow = was a distinct townread at some point earlier, but want to review
white = idk/no opinion so blah
orange = scummier than most of the others. I would have TPP somewhere above Mirhawk, but it feels like TPP should recognize how they're drowning out the game as I know both heads have the self-awareness for that.

I'm stuck. help

[Marquis]

I'm quickly realizing my drive to play this game has been weakening the more and more this Mirhawk-TPP-no-I-am-the-top-poster thing continues and judging from recent activity patterns I'm sure it's not just me. This also feels petty to say but I feel like Nacho and Plot should both recognize how much his hydra is contributing to gamewide apathy.

At this point I'm still all for lynching Mirhawk and moving on, but while I don't think I'll actively vote TPP myself I wouldn't be too upset to see them gone.

The game is apathetic because no one gives a shit about it.

What no one gives a shit about is deciphering 10+ pages of what are effectively endless walls. That effect was magnified for Mala and I because of finals - which is on us, yes - but the only image I've been getting from this game in the past week is you and Mirhawk circling a pile of dead horses while kicking and yelling over it.

[Marquis]

That might be a bit harsh, and I've been relatively inactive, but I don't think there's really an excuse for it. Even if others were posting at normal levels for a large theme it wouldn't match up with the amount of word salads being thrown out there now.

Anyway, I didn't realize I wasn't voting. Earlier this would've been a clear-cut Mirhawk vote, but I'm a bit torn. It feels like both a logical and emotional choice right now.

[Marquis]

what I wouldn't give for another shot right now >>>>>>>>>>

[Marquis]

i don't know guys, the recent Mirhawk behavior is reminding me of why I thought he was town late Day 1. He's really bringing it to the table, in a good way (for himself).

ffs

[Marquis]

NEVER LYNCH

Marquis
pistachi0n
Malakittens

DON'T LYNCH TODAY

itlepip
Cerberus v666
SirCakez
Dwlee99

THESE TWO

The Pied Piper
Mirhawk

THE REST

dramonic
Flubbernugget
drmyshottyizsik
podoboq

Part of me wants to cut it here and lynch from the bottom four, but I still think it's a dumb idea to not get this done with now.

What was the whole Tracker issue with... Flubber and Dwlee, I think? I lost track of that.

[Marquis]

Can we just throw 5 votes on like, someone who's being useless and not playing and prompt some people to actually play fucking mafia instead of just sitting around?

I like this post because it articulated my thoughts right before I posted them just now, but then again it doesn't take much to figure out how town is feeling right now.

[Marquis]

What was the whole Tracker issue with... Flubber and Dwlee, I think? I lost track of that.

Dwlee counterclaimed Flubber's one-shot and then retracted his counterclaim.

Since you've been here the whole time and clearly not as averse to doing a lot of digging, want to show me Flubber's reaction to that? Please?

[Marquis]

I'm so glad Mala and Pistach are confirmed town ftr god

okay, townread on you solidifying, thanks for this. I need more active anchors

[Marquis]

I really selfishly want to get a vig claim so I can more or less confirm that both Mir and TPP will potentially be dead by tomorrow, but that's mostly a bad idea

you guys have no idea how much I want to go "I'm done" and plant a vote and disappear, but then I remember how much I actually don't know where the hell to vote, and I stop mid-vote tag

[Marquis]

I don't really know anymore why itlepip is in my townreads, considering he replaced beeboy who in hindsight I don't know why I townread other than for dumb activity-influenced reasons.

itlepip reads, anyone?

[Marquis]

I remember having a solid-ish townread on beeboy, but itle has been eh. Wouldn't lynch that today, but is potential scum later on.

thanks, I value your opinion, and for some reason it makes me want to lynch itlepip today even more :/

[Marquis]

ugh I really want to lynch shotty but

ugh

[Marquis]

ugh I really want to lynch shotty but

ugh

He replaced Talah though...

you coming in today just to say this doesn't make me feel better about either of your slots :/

i know i'm shading a lot of ppl here but with only confidence in mala/post/cakez being town until i pick up on more towntells it's all that's happening

[Marquis]

Sorry, this game fell by the wayside yet again.

I think I wouldn't be opposed to a Dwlee lynch now but then again I wouldn't be opposed to a Flubber lynch either.

This game is a lot of me not liking either side of these 1v1s. I'm a cranky old man

[Marquis]

cool insights

lol

I've done nothing significant in the past week and I feel like I'm at an impasse with my reads

it's 5am and I'm exhausted so if Mala or Cakez wants to direct my vote let me know where. anything but stagnation

[Marquis]

we have 1 day left and i'm not very happy with the constituencies of both the TPP and mirhawk wagons.

V/LA from Sunday through Tuesday. Might still have limited access.

just in case because my vote has already gone to waste enough,

VOTE: TPP

because in all honesty Mirhawk has been townier than them the past day, and one of these needs to be settled.

[Marquis]

VOTE: dwlee

[Marquis]

Back, somewhat.

I didn't like the podoboq-dwlee interactions actually, looking back in podo's iso.

[Marquis]

i think the things you're focusing on in your replies are the kinds of angles scum find it much easier to defend against

VOTE: podo

sorry podo but i'm not convinced

[Marquis]

I don't know what's been going on the past few days, but I'll catch up when I return.

[Marquis]

I still feel like TPP is a very likely SK.

[Marquis]

I think at this point I want to sheep the consensus of Mala and Cakez?

[Marquis]

Resetting my timer

VOTE: Flubbernugget

still thinking we should lynch podo...

[Marquis]

but i'm really really town and so is mala.

i think it's within itlepip, cerb, and flubber? pretty sure

[Marquis]

oh i forgot he was alive

VOTE: shotty

[Marquis]

i don't think any roleblocker or jailkeeper role would bother wasting it on him

[Marquis]

vote shotty silly

[Marquis]

^that post sells it for me, thanks.

VOTE: Flubber

[Marquis]

SOOOOOO fucking lucky you replaced obvtown cause holy shit that vote doesn't make any fuckign snese.\

really really don't like this post but like
flubber and itle are on very similar levels of susp for me now

[Marquis]

what did cerb claim again/how is it confirmed?

i'm sorry, but i've been lost on claims as of late

[Marquis]

what did itle claim again?

[Marquis]

thanks mir

i'd want to lynch flubber or itle (or shotty? idk)

still wary of cerb's competency allowing him to pull this off as an actual sk

but whatever

VOTE: flubber