A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Plotinus]

Thanks for modding, Rob!

Plotinus/TPP--I see from the dead thread that you said I know tictac offsite. What name do I know tictac by?

It should be clear from the neighoburhood; tictac was the tracker when you and I were scum together. We'd planned for tictac to come out to you after a little while but tictac wound up flaking instead.

[Plotinus]

yeah. They figured if they were town they'd wait a little bit before letting you know to compare how you treated them as a stranger vs how you treated them as someone you knew but then you were an innocent child so there was no point in pretending to scumhunt you anymore.

[Plotinus]

This game broke me.

[Plotinus]

Subject: A Musical Mafia! - Mafia PT

davesaz targetted true ogre last night and saw itlepip and us visit him. he needs to be nightkilled before he can claim this information. davesaz targetted tammy on night 1.

itlepip is a bodyguard.

How did you know this Plot?

On day 2, davesaz was defending Skybird as if he had an innocent on her, and so I figured he was a watcher who had watched Tammy and saw Skybird target her. Skybird targetting Tammy and Tammy not dying would be a sign that Skybird had some non killing role, probably a protective role.

On day 3, davesaz was VERY interested in true ogre's read on itlepip and us. We had jailkept true ogre that night and davesaz assumed that one of us protected true ogre and the other of us tried to kill him. A lot of our day 3 play was affected by knowing that davesaz had what looked like a guilty on us.

I knew itlepip was a bodyguard because he said he would protect dram with his life, and because he was talking like a protective role.

They were two of the PRs I could've outed when people were asking us to share the information I had and I didn't know how to talk about the PRs we did end up outing without talking about davesaz and itlepip and a bunch of other people too. I really did have almost the entire setup figured out.

[Plotinus]

Subject: A Musical Mafia! - Mafia PT

davesaz needs to die tonight. he's the watcher. he saw us and itlepip visit true ogre on night 2. we need to either roleblock marquis or the vig. you're not the likely vig shot.

the flavour cop is useless, it detects what musical we're in and we've been told that our musicals are safe to claim.

flubber needs to track somebody, maybe podoboq.

EXACTLY! I don't understand why you guys blocked TO on N2. :-/ I read it, but it's like, the idea was there's "some value" in blocking him, when in reality his role was useless so there was "no value". :-/

pedit: pfft, you've *never* seen me as scum. You might catch Drixx though, cause Smite gave you a shitload of material to use to catch him. ^^

on night 1, true ogre hadn't claimed, but i knew he was a PR because I saw him log in on his alt during the night phase. I also THE WRONG LYNCH log in, but I remembered that goodmorning had done that with our hydra even when we were a VT. True Ogre logging in on his alt during night only made sense if he had a night action and we didn't know what the action was, so we jailkept. we had a better idea of who didn't have an important PR than who did on night 1.

On night 2, all we knew was True Ogre was an investigative of some sort who misunderstood "no result." We didn't know he was just a flavour cop and that he only got result based on what musical we were in, so we jailkept him again. We also thought that town might get fed up with him getting "no result" two nights in a row; I've seen that happen before.

By night 3, we knew his role was useless so we moved on to targetting more serious threats.

[Plotinus]

Shout out to Nacho for being so kind to me this whole time.

[Plotinus]

Holy shit that night action switch. Wow.

pedit: I'm 99% he claimed to just be a flavor cop on D2? :-/ Might be wrong. Idk, too lazy to go check his ISO.

Amazing how much differently this game would have went if I hadn't hinted at the flavor connection I had going on. It caused you to dismiss the rest of my mentions of vig related things, wholly unintentionally.

i'm pretty sure he didn't claim the "gets results on what musical you're from" part until day 3; we knew our musicals were safe to claim but we were going to claim different characters from our musicals (we claimed Matilda, not Trunchbull) and we didn't know if that would get us in trouble or not. I think he might not have even claimed that he was just a flavour cop until day 3? i don't remember.

yeah, I had you written off as informed townie; i thought I already knew your role so I was looking elsewhere for vigs. I also thought informed townie might make sense with a doctor and a bodyguard and an informed townie who knew that one of them was town to help if they counterclaimed each other.

I thought mala was the doctor and spent a while waiting for her to counterclaim itlepip. I'm still not sure why cakes didn't counterclaim itlepip.

[Plotinus]

ah. that makes sense.

[Plotinus]

Spoiler: @Ogre

I could tell you weren't doing it on purpose, but that thing where we kept going around in circles was putting me into a bad head space, yeah I was scum and you had every right to try to sort me and I don't even know what you could've done differently, and you definitely weren't the only person getting under my skin and so many people were getting under my skin that I felt like it was probably just me and I should site flake or something but constantly trying and failing to communicate and having to spend my mafia time talking to someone i was townreading instead of doing something else, scumhunting, trying to sort the game, etc. wasn't helping my slot's position and I couldn't break out of it.

I didn't mind that you were scumreading us and I didn't mind that I couldn't convince you we were town, especially since we weren't, it was something else.

I just felt like I was constantly being asked to do things that were extremely painful for me and no matter what I did, it wasn't good enough. People would engage me in ways that made it harder for me to communicate, talking to me in ways that made my typing less communicative, and then they'd take my failures to communicate as indication I was scum and nobody was attacking the people who were baiting me like that and it was affecting me offline in a really bad way.

People hold me to a higher standard that i'm able to sustain; they keep forgetting that i'm just a r*t*rd.

But yeah I was scum and I could tell that people weren't doing it on purpose which meant it was my fault and that I should just go away.

[Plotinus]

you were fine, dram. I thought you expressed your scumread of me in a humourous, lighthearted way and that made it a bit more fun.

i didn't care that people were calling me scum. it was something else. The entire game could've gone exactly the same as it did with the same flips and the same people scumreading me and me still getting vigged and i wouldn't have been upset at all.

but yeah i probably do need a break.

[Plotinus]

Anyway, congrats to the town.

[Plotinus]

Oh, one last thing Plot: I know this game is a sore spot, but I'm really interested in knowing...why did you guys claim BP? You were pretty insistent in the mafia PT that you wanted to claim BP(going so far as to say you HAD to get rid of davesaz because he saw you perform a night action, and therefore you couldn't make that claim), but the BP claim really doesn't make sense to me at all.

I don't know, it was nacho's idea. He said it made sense with the way we'd been playing day 1-2 and also it worked with the plan to claim tictac's action to try to draw the nightkill but it didn't really work.

[Plotinus]

but night actions and knowing what to fake claim are the weaker areas of my game so i was happy to delegate both of those things to Nacho. I screw up my night actions in literally all of my scumgames.

[Plotinus]

Yeah, those were some impressive shots, Cerb. 2/3rds of your shots were on scum and no one can blame you for shooting Snarky.

They were super town, yeah. We wanted to put them out of their misery because they didn't seem to be having fun but it turned out it was all for show on their end. x.x

[Plotinus]

oh, hiplop in the dead thread said that he was just playing around so i thought it was both of you. I'm both sorry and somewhat relieved that i was right the first time.

I'm so sorry this game hurt you Errant *hug* I wish we could've been town together.

[Plotinus]

Can we all agree that tictac was obvtown in the neighbourhood. I wasn't making it up.

[Plotinus]

Wow Plot - do you do those big tables and thread temperature things as town too or is it just something you do as scum?

you'll see when we hydra together . I do it as both, but i rely more on iso maps as town and more on tables as scum. i dont post the tables outside hydra pt as town (and as scum only in the scum pt); i keep the table in post 0 in the hydra pt along with the role pm. in a recent town game i did post some thread temperature things to help with consolidating during a deadling scramble (as part of strongarming a lynch onto scum) but usually I don't post those in thread either. as town i try to be aware of thread temperature to see if anyone's reads are matching it too closely.

i wanted to post the thread temperature thing because i'd done it in that micro as town but thread temperature kept showing how viable my buddyies' wagons were and i wanted that to be a secret

[Plotinus]

i'm glad it helped! it helps me to focus when i'm reading an iso.

[Plotinus]

<3 I'm glad you're feeling better now

[Plotinus]

I would like to appologise for my behaviour in this game; I'm sorry for ruining people's fun.