A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

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VOTE: pied piper

policy lycnch

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we're gonna make musicals GREAT AGAIN.

No second rate musicians!!!

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SQUAWK

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beeboy I only buddy you when we're scum together

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I'm easy to sort when trying don't worry

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VOTE: snarky

real vote

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haven't talked with hippy yet.
This is EP, signing here for tictac.

It felt very relaxed and ready to engage with the game. As you did with that post ^

I think this might be a towncakez.

Wow, you pulled back on the hydra thing pretty quickly when people began to question it.

I really don't like this post. trying to paint something that is pretty clearly nonindic to me as suspicious
And mirhawk is cool for agreeing with me, and I like that vote too.
looking back on it, it might be a reasonable belief to think that axel was being legit with the hydra hate but I'm still having a hard time believing that people would just not consider the other position (that axel was not being serious)
i guess it could be pressure? but davesaz is votable here

88 hell no dude. "I dislike something" -> "policy lynch it lololol"
that's your logic, and no amount of "it's my playstyle" can excuse that

beeboy is considering the other side with sakura and that's good because I see nothing indic there.

True Ogre's entrance post is pretty balls.
Withholding vote is fine, ESPECIALLY not after beeboy tells him to vote us and then ogre does.
Look at how terrible withholding vote is there. Ogre OPENLY admits to being unsure of people that they want to sort, that they are considering to maybe be scum, and then just... doesn't vote. nope.
"I will entertain Sakura argument" is basically saying "I don't want to commit yet (which is fine) but i'm not gonna do anything about it (which isn't fine)"
"keeping an eye on axelrod" uh huh.

Don't like Beeboy's flipflop on Sakura. Felt like there was no dedication or serious belief in it with how fast he got on and off.
Seniors's Snarky vote is bad as well. Not enough to justify it and Snarky is definitely not someone you get a serious scumread on from one post.

I am doing a 180 on my townread on Cakez. You should know that early game reads are fluid.
"super waffly" what dude. that sucks.

135 is kind of what solidifies my townread on beeboy. check it.
beeboy is oozing this vibe of "HOLY SHIT I CAUGHT SCUM I'M SO EXCITED" he's legitimately getting into the game and I like that, having a really hard time believing that it's faked.

tictac's comment on wronglynch "i missed you so much" is total bullshit, beeboy dip is not good either, but I do like the davecase and so it seems like tictac legitimately looking to solve the game.
tictac's later posts also seem decent.

no read on axel but the arguments for him being scum suck.

here's a quick summary

town: tictac, beeboy, mirhawk
scum: cakez, dave, ogre

VOTE: true ogre

tictac you think ogre is scummy so vote with us for glory

-EP signing at the bottom too because i'm thorough as fuck.

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VOTE: snarky

real vote

This is exactly how Snarky plays and it surprises me both you and EP both don't know that.

Never seen snarky as scum, his push was weird.

Guess who I didn't push in MSND? Snarky. Your push on me here seems fabricated beeboy. You usually do this as town, but not to this degree. I think you're trying to play to your town meta too much

I'm a bit behind

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ATM scum reads of varying degrees on Tictac, Seniors, Ogre, and Beeboy.

Explain ours and beeboys. Right now.

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Also I still want that slot to explain the Snarky vote because they are dodging that.

I haven't been around chill out buddy.

I don't think you're scum but like if you keep pushing this I'm gonan get mad

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I'm largely ignoring beeboy here. I dislike how much we are being discussed. It makes no sense considering we had done nothing at the time

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ATM scum reads of varying degrees on Tictac, Seniors, Ogre, and Beeboy.

"scumread on the people beeboy is pushing AND beeboy"

this guy is fencesitting, stirring the pot and trying to get momentum on our wagon for seriously shoddy reasons.

VOTE: sircakez
sorry ep, this is the guy who needs to die

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Tictac if your read on them is null I don't understand this defense of them at all. Seniors has done stuff, nothing useful though and the Snarky vote was pretty bad.

Tictac what's your read on Seniors?

Snarky is lynchbait so Beeboy's argument about Seniors pushing Snarky being a scum move does hold weight. Thus why I am still voting them.

Don't like Beeboy's flipflop on Sakura. Felt like there was no dedication or serious belief in it with how fast he got on and off.
Seniors's Snarky vote is bad as well. Not enough to justify it and Snarky is definitely not someone you get a serious scumread on from one post.

VOTE: Friendless Seniors

Why not vote anyone in your entrance then immediately sheep Beeboy onto Seniors?

These stances make no sense. Like, he is basically scumreading anyone making any sort of impact in the game. This is a super opportunistic position in the game and needs to be lynched.

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This is EP

This is EP's scum game dodging parts where he isn't comfortable and coming in with walls

haven't read everything but holy shit this might be the most harebrained accusation that i have ever seen. and i've seen some shitty cases.

"HEY EP WASN'T HERE AT THE START OF THE GAME MUST BE SCUM!!!"
"DISREGARD THE FACT THAT EP WASN'T POSTING IN ANY OTHER GAMES"
"OR MIGHT HAVE HAD OTHER SHIT TO DO"
"YEAH THIS IS EP CLEARLY DODGING START OF THE GAME"

seriously beeboy? Do you want to rethink your life or your play?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=175

EP in the game I played with him when he was scum he avoiding pushing all the primary wagons early on.

this is you looking surface at my scumplay and not actually understanding how people play as scum. I look ath things that i find objectively scummy and push them. If you cared to read the deadthread in invaders you would actually know that. Do your meta research, don't go "oh hey EP did this one thing as scum in one game I played with them so they must be scum ya ya?"

-EP

DAMMIT
FUCK

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-EP

It means they deliberately dodged the start of the game

Posts like these...

@EP - fluid enough to vote someone, call for a wagon then unvotw in literally 8 posts?

Yes. People post, then rethink, then post again. I do it all the time. beeboy is not scum.

ATM scum reads of varying degrees on Tictac, Seniors, Ogre, and Beeboy.

this is a mindbogglingly bad readslist. I have no idea how you're looking at the game this way.

ATM scum reads of varying degrees on Tictac, Seniors, Ogre, and Beeboy.

"scumread on the people beeboy is pushing AND beeboy"

this guy is fencesitting, stirring the pot and trying to get momentum on our wagon for seriously shoddy reasons.

VOTE: sircakez
sorry ep, this is the guy who needs to die

good we're on the same page

-EP

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spiffeh talk to me about sircakez, right now.

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tryhard because he is trying to match the insane prowess of his hydra partner

I don't agree with the snowman scumread at all,

but I can see why Ep would, I guess?

pedit: LLD, have you played with dwlee before? Is an elaborate fakeclaim something you would expect from him?

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cakez is scum

if you're going to let fucking beeboy lynch me I'm so done

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hiplop you're scummy though

You still haven't addressed how Snarky "pushed" you

ugh.

why am I playing this game again?

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being tunneled on by two of the most stubborn players =/= fun

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VOTE: pistachio

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spiffeh, he voted me that's a push in my books.

semantics?

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THIS IS EP
ROB GUESS WHAT!!!! I GOT INTO BERKELEY

Tell me when you are caught up so I can respond to you

you ever gonna do this?
because some of the things you're spitting out are so far from logical thought that i'm surprised you're not reacting to me calling your push garbage. I mean, when I call your pushes garbage, you usually react. Why not this time?

By the way here's why I want cakez to die. not exactly the same as hippy but i'll see what hippy thinks about it.

Tell me when you are caught up so I can respond to you

Yeah Seniors' vote on me is awful lmao
I haven't fencesat anywhere. "Scumreading anyone making an impact" is wtf and false.
Beeboy scum read is from his ubertunnel on Seniors and the aforementioned waffle on Sakura.
Seniors scum read is from the Snarky vote, little scumhunting and now this terrible misrep.

Look at this reads list and tell me that it isn't fabricated.
He says Tictac, Ogre, us, and Beeboy are scum.
EVEN IGNORING the fact that the reasons for reading beeboy and us are trash-
Beeboy is scumreading us and tictac
tictac + we are scumreading Ogre
ogre is scumreading us
I understand that you don't have to have cohesion in a group of players that you pick out to be scum, but the fact that you think all 4 are scummy to some degree shows that you aren't actually evaluating and analyzing your reads to see if they are correct via what the game state looks like.

okay good, sakura is probably town
and so is amihan

TO DO LIST:
ISO Pied Piper
ISO Mirhawk
Talk to hippy

-EP

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EP ONCE MORE

I'm getting the feeling that piper is asking a few questions that are somewhat directionless but that feeling is REALLY HARD to grab ahold of and probably nonexistent. basically a real nullread here and I'm really curious as to why spiff thought they were scum

What do you think of my point that not doing anything is, in itself, scummy?

but why
antitown sure
but
ehhh????

I like mirhawk's entrance posts.
okay i read over mirhawk's current posts and there is seriously no reason for there to be a scumread on mirhawk.

-EP

pedit- actually respond to my post instead of throwing out examples that you think will save you, son.
My question to you is- do you think there is a legitimate chance that your four scumreads are in a team together? Because that seems to be what you're implying in your most recent post, cakez. And if not, why haven't you tried reevaluating your readslist yet?

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you ever gonna do this?
because some of the things you're spitting out are so far from logical thought that i'm surprised you're not reacting to me calling your push garbage. I mean, when I call your pushes garbage, you usually react. Why not this time?

By the way here's why I want cakez to die. not exactly the same as hippy but i'll see what hippy thinks about it.

I did would you like me to go back and quote the posts where I replied to you?

Why does it matter if I reacted to you saying you did or didn't like my read on you? I find it interesting that you where legit expecting a reply on a post where you just called me bad.
I know you said you are town reading me but the fact you are pressuring me in pretty much all your posts I am really not feeling the love.

yeah, do me a huge favor and link the posts where you replied to me. Sorry if I straight up missed it.
And hell yeah i'm going to yell at you for a shit push even though you're town dude.

-EP

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beeboy all of that response was to hiplop and not to my post dude
also thanks everyone
spiff what was the reason for your piper read again

-EP

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EP I have a question about this post. When you made it you expected me to react to, to avoid beating around the bush normally I get really pissed off. If I got pissed of by your remarks which is what you expected me to do, what would you have done if people started to scum read me and push me? I really don't see the motive in you trying to get me to react to you calling my wagon shit.
Like it is really bothering me I can see tons of reasons why scum would do it but literally 0 reasons town would.

here are several examples of what I would expect someone to respond to me.
1. Justify your push on us based on the reasons that I have attacked.
2. Respond to my attack on your push.
3. Be convinced that your push is bad.
You have done none of these.

throwing out some townreads: spiffeh, beeboy, wronglynch, amihan.
i'm going out so I won't be around. This is just a quick post, i only did a skim of the most recent pages.

-EP

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podoboq has a potential scum iso.
check it.

We see the popular stances being taken in 452 which isn't necessarily bad but it's a scum puzzle piece.
455 picking and choosing the contentless beeboy posts, ignoring the actual reasons (no matter how terrible they are, they're still reasons) then says "hey I'll come to my own conclusions, I'm a free thinker!!! Townread me!"

Check this out too. I don't see a difference between dramonic's axel posts and the posts that podo picks out of beeboy's iso. But no "hey dramonic you suck" from podoboq HMM? HMM?!?

-EP
will see what hippy thinks when i get home after my thing.

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like, podoboq ignores the reasons that beeboy is giving for the read on us
then say "meh you suck but you're not scum for it"
and then wait
and then say "yeah you're town"
this ain't normal

-EP

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sorry guys beeboy sucked the fun out of this for me a bit.

is it still just a lot of unproductive noise or

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See, this is my problem with the FS slot. It feels like most of their contribution is discounting the people on their wagon, rather than discussing relevant parts of the game. Like, the Miller CC and Mirhan's response to it seems like the topic of the moment, and FS comes in with this when nobody's even discussing that wagon.This could just be apathy for the game after feeling like he was tunneled by a loud and stubborn player, but this attitude isn't helpful for town.

so there is more content? sweet. I'll go back and read

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its just frustrating playing and getting tunneled, TWL. I'll play well now

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Jester is bastard, whoever mentioned that.
Dram who are the 3 scum?

axel podo davesaz

i can see why someone would think these three are scum so that's good i guess

ami and pist are town probably

True Ogre's entrance post is pretty balls.
Withholding vote is fine, ESPECIALLY not after beeboy tells him to vote us and then ogre does.
Look at how terrible withholding vote is there. Ogre OPENLY admits to being unsure of people that they want to sort, that they are considering to maybe be scum, and then just... doesn't vote. nope.
"I will entertain Sakura argument" is basically saying "I don't want to commit yet (which is fine) but i'm not gonna do anything about it (which isn't fine)"
"keeping an eye on axelrod" uh huh.

Can you put this into English though?

What's wrong with him not voting?

1. Ogre targets certain people as "I think these people might be scum but I am not sure"
2. Voting someone is one way to maybe get a bit of that information
3. Ogre waits for beeboy to actually do this and I still don't know why.

So obviously off on this

tonally? this bothers me.

Both of them reading FS as scum makes me question FS pretty strongly.

I think their opinion on Cakez is kind of just bullshit, and I think "ignoring" beeboy is mindless. I'll be re-reading the thread after I get my classwork done this weekend, but in the meantime, based on my skim, I'm pretty comfortable pushing the wagon along.

But yeah, honestly, I think most of my read is coming from town reading Cakez and beeboy. Maybe part of it comes from the skimming. Maybe part of it is something subliminal coming from the Trump icon. I'll be reviewing this weekend, and I don't expect a lynch to happen before then.

podo, do you feel like you're disconnected from the game? I'm bolding this to make sure you don't miss it.

VOTE: podoboq
this is the right vote, hippy, but subject to change

here, town vibes i got since i last posted maybe dramonic, definitely ami, pist, beeboy, probably tammy

-EP

so yeah both heads are here. trump party!

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oh, and spiffeh is also probably town
-trump

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beeboy can you stop ignoring me for once
-not hiplop

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I mean if this is hippy you should know first hand how much I adore getting tunneled. Look at that blitz game where your hydra partner ridcious tunneled me the whole entire fucking game over one bad post, which lead to a huge fight, but still. You saw how I reacted to tunneling.

~M

I apologize for that game. It was ridiculous and so awkward for me

I've been a bit sick sorry for lack of content. Super bad migraines. I am reading just having a hard time dissecting information lol

Plot, I hope everything is OKAY. <3

My current scumreads at this time would probably be somewhere in the block of Hiplop, Cakez, and Beeboy. I have a question for you three: What if Pistachio is shot and flips town? What does this suggest about Ami, and would that warrant an instant vote?

Hm? This is both a weird reaction to the wagon, and a pretty scummy post in general. I don't like this at all. I would be fine with lynching this.

How do you know me, Hiplop, btw?

I think it would be easier to read Seniors accurately if they were allowed out of their box.

thank you.

Sakura is town, spiffeh is town, tammy is town, Mala is probably town.

See, this is my problem with the FS slot. It feels like most of their contribution is discounting the people on their wagon, rather than discussing relevant parts of the game. Like, the Miller CC and Mirhan's response to it seems like the topic of the moment, and FS comes in with this when nobody's even discussing that wagon.This could just be apathy for the game after feeling like he was tunneled by a loud and stubborn player, but this attitude isn't helpful for town.

honestly dude, its hard NOT to just discount my wagon when beeboy is being a tool. Hes just ramming a lynch down my throat for the ENTIRETY of the game. I don't even think hes made a good point yet. Do you think he has? Would you respond kindly to that kind of pressure?

Oh just so everyone knows, I am more limited access than fully away from the site right now. I'm still trying to post but this is because I can't guarantee 48 hour activity for a few days.Why do people think Friendless Seniors are scum? Why is the wagon there? I've seen nothing other than beeboy being loud and posty.

all there is...which is honestly shocking? I don't buy town is following this wagon tbh they shouldsnt be...

Amihan is town too, btw.

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^ like cmon man fuck

I got the goonsquad on me

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Yeah, honestly, I do. This game moved at a WAY faster pace out of the gate than my newbie game, has over double the players, and most seem to have some meta knowledge on eachother. I considered replacing out, but I think this is a good opportunity to learn, so I'm gonna stay the course.

I'm trying to engage though, and I think I've been providing some value.

If your last few posts are legitimate, and you're willing to engage in the new things that have happened in the game which are unrelated to the wagon on you, then I'm totally happy to unvote here. If in my reread, I reevaluate your slot more positively, then I'm totally happy to unvote here.

OK so. This actually changes my read to probably something like weak town
A lot of what I saw from you (I think) can be explained because of this

Yo so I think Podo is town because his posts are actually good and Seniors is tunneling him for bad reasons.

This is all around one of the worst posts in the game

And mirhawk is cool for agreeing with me, and I like that vote too.

Aren't you worried that mirhawk might be whiteknighting you?

i guess it could be pressure? but davesaz is votable here

You've played with davesaz in a few games now, in ny192 where you were a lategame replacement and he was lynched on day 1 but I know you put considerable effort into your catchup, perhaps enough to get somewhat of a feel for him, and in o615 where you were town together, and for a while in ny183 where you were town together before you replaced out.

You dislike his post and you call him voteable, but is he scummy? Are you scumreading him? Do you think that he is scummy but not scum?

beeboy is oozing this vibe of "HOLY SHIT I CAUGHT SCUM I'M SO EXCITED" he's legitimately getting into the game and I like that, having a really hard time believing that it's faked.

I like this point especially since it's about you.

THIS IS EP
ROB GUESS WHAT!!!! I GOT INTO BERKELEY

Congrats!

I'm getting the feeling that piper is asking a few questions that are somewhat directionless but that feeling is REALLY HARD to grab ahold of and probably nonexistent. basically a real nullread here and I'm really curious as to why spiff thought they were scum

Because I wrote too many words. Like I do in every single game that I play when I forget and post when I'm tired/distracted/not feeling well/upset about something else/etc.

Anyway, I've done two alignment indicative things so far. Someday, someone will be able to read me.

I like mirhawk's entrance posts.
okay i read over mirhawk's current posts and there is seriously no reason for there to be a scumread on mirhawk.

Please address wrong lynch's and my points against mirhawk. This isn't good enough.

podoboq has a potential scum iso.
check it.

I need to think some more about podoboq. What do you think of his reply to your question about whether he feels disconnected from the game?

I understand that you don't have to have cohesion in a group of players that you pick out to be scum, but the fact that you think all 4 [tictac, ogre, seniors, beeboy] are scummy to some degree shows that you aren't actually evaluating and analyzing your reads to see if they are correct via what the game state looks like.

Your current bet for the scumteam is podoboq, davesaz, axel, cakez, and ogre? Can you talk some about the dynamics between this group of players? (or some other group of players if i guessed wrong?)

Okay so.

Mirhawk question:

Correct me if I have the context wrong, but I'm pretty sure I was talking about a different point that I hadn't expressed my opinion on, but Mirhawk happened to have the same opinion as me. I think it was the hydra policy lynch business.

Davesaz question:

At that point, I thought he was a possibility for scum. I don't really know where I'm at anymore, I don't have a lot of reads except for some key ones on some people. But yeah, I thought davesaz was pretty town in Hope plus one and I don't really trust myself to give an objective judgment for gameshop.

My beeboy townread:

Explain what you mean when you say you like the point?

Points against Mirhawk:

I'll ISO mirhawk again before looking at your points and then address them.

Scumteam theory:

again, I'll have to do some ISOing before I can get back to you on this question.

Considering Amihan is town and that skybird case is pretty good I think I might want to sheep there, but give me a second. I also want to touch base with hippy on reads, also I hope you are well plotinus.

Go read some of my games Ami. This is the way I play all the time. Just like you, people have a problem with my playstyle too and I honestly don't care. Your decision to suddenly scum read me is noted.

Awful post.
1. "My playstyle is naturally scummy and as a result you don't have any grounds to scumread me"
2. "However, this implies that any reasonable person would have grounds to scumread me based on my playstyle if they weren't familiar with it"
3. "But that doesn't apply to you, I'm going to say that your sudden scumread on me is worthy of note"
oh my god that's terrible

happy scumday pistachion

Part two of the trump wall coming up next

-EP

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True Ogre's entrance post said that he was town reading beeboy and considering following him onto seniors. He also says that he's considering Axelrod as scum. Beeboy, his townread that he's considering sheeping says "beeboy! sheep me!". He follows. What exactly is unreasonable about that?

Consider this mentality.
Ogre's read the game, they've seen beeboy yelling at the playerlist to vote us
Ogre thinks that we might be scum and wants to see where the wagon goes because that could lead to more clear read on us
Ogre waits until beeboy calls them out SPECIFICALLY. Why? Why do you do this, Ogre?
Beeboy has been hard-pushing our lynch before asking Ogre to sheep him, why do they wait for beeboy to ask?

Ok I was thinking Plot could really be scum here but Nacho's post seems supertown to me

If the goal here is to get beeboy to stop tunneling you, it seems smarter to engage him on the few points than he's brought up as opposed to calling his post garbage and then asking him to do something about it.

did I hallucinate the part where I quoted the points that I thought were bad and told him they were bad and why
because if i did then i'll be happy to do that now.

Followed beeboy onto seniors, at a whim actually. Liked him, disliked Seniors.

ehhhhhhhhhhh I still don't really get it
what was your mentality behind your lack of vote on us in your entrance
that being said your recent posts are okay

huh, not as wally as I thought
VOTE: skybird
this is a cool vote, see last post
i don't see traction on cakez but i haven't looked at votecounts

-EP

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i'm mafiad out peeps
i'll get back to you later today (or is it tomorrow where you are?) plot so stay tuned!

-Also EP

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okay one more thing
i totally exaggerated when i said cakez 690 was worst post in the game
basically that tunneling accusation and the podo read was really lazy that's all

-EP and that's the last you'll be hearing from me for now

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If the goal here is to get beeboy to stop tunneling you, it seems smarter to engage him on the few points than he's brought up as opposed to calling his post garbage and then asking him to do something about it.

honestly nacho, it is SUPER difficult to have a reasonable discussion with a crazy person screaming in your face frothing at the mouth. He started it based on lies and continues it based on lies, I pointed those out and am uninterested and pushing this any further

Ogre's stances this game make no sense. However, I actually think hes town from it. I don't think hes reading the game very closely, and seems to be hard skimming in a sorta townie way.

I don't get why Cakez is being allowed to skid along like this

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AXEL fwiw, EP is the primary head this game. I'm sitting back a bit.

[Friendless Seniors]

i'm mafiad out peeps
i'll get back to you later today (or is it tomorrow where you are?) plot so stay tuned!

-Also EP

i'm mafiad out peeps
i'll get back to you later today (or is it tomorrow where you are?) plot so stay tuned!

-Also EP

I SAID I'D DO THIS
BUT SLEEP IS LOOKIN REALLY ATTRACTIVE
so bye ; ;

-EP

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First a catchup and then I'll do the plot thing

849: I don't see a problem with this progression but goddamn if you think that cakez, beeboy, and we are scum then you got another thing coming

oh damn cerb's in this game! hi cerb!
ok I'm glad that I can write spiffeh as town and accept that

Axel might be town for that readswall as well, 904.
But the whole "active players get towncred" is kinda wtf

Cerb you should interact with people about other things than mirhawk, yeah?
why aren't you doing that?

I will say I think the "EP" head sounds better than the "Hippy" head? At least, as best I can tell, I think most of the posts I don't like seem to be coming from that one, but that could just be the one head not being as good at being scum as the one head just being more Townie. And even the EP head appears to have defaulted to a "Sheep" vote behind another player, so that's not particularly great either.

OK NEVER MIND
WHAT THE FUCK DUDE YOU EXPECT US TO JUST PUSH RANDOM VANITY WAGONS ARE YOU KIDDING OF COURSE I'M GOING TO SHEEP SOMEONE IF THEY'RE SCUMMY HOW DID NO ONE ELSE CATCH THIS
And yeah if you actually wanted to evaluate your reads (as town would do) you wouldn't say "Hey, EP is better but that could be because EP is better as scum" you would say "Hey, how does hiplop play as scum? Is it usually like this?"
The fact that you didn't ask this question means that you're
1. Finding reasons to scum read us that aren't legit
2. Not actually evaluating these reasons because you don't CARE how legit your read is as long as they make your case look good
So yeah, take that previous townread and toss that one in the trash

Why is Swords a bad lynch?

862

also this is terrible
if you think someone is legitimately scum then you go for it, that's the best case scenario, not "lynching someone you kinda think is scum but hoping for that information"
this is a horrible reason to defend swordsworth and the accusations

I thought that explained it pretty solidly. You didn't?

I...guess?
I mean, maybe it's just a playstyle clash
I feel like no matter how many times ogre explains it you know

Repeating question since I didn't see much response to it. I think Dramonic is scum flying under the radar, but I don't know if this is normal for him.

AGAIN
WHY DON'T YOU FIGURE IT OUT BEFORE SCUMREADING PEOPLE?
WHAT

I think it's notable how Dram pops back up the instant he gets a few votes on him.

oh my god
this can't be real

VOTE: Axelrod
dramonic is your vote on axel because if so good

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

I think it's notable how Dram pops back up the instant he gets a few votes on him.

/lawls

Anyways, it seems the thing to do would be to String Pistachio.

Only thing is I'm a little worried about a scum counterclaim on Ami's part.
I mean what if Piss flips Miller? I don't see myself as being comfortable with either way we could go in that case.

So if I'm getting this correctly, people think that Mirhawk knew that Ami was faking a claim because Mirhawk is scum and Ami is not in their role PM
And it looks like Mirhawk isn't really convinced that pis is town, knows that pist will flip town, and as a result drags their feet on the lynch because of the towncred?
Is this right?
Is there something I'm missing?

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

ew she has me and seniors as scum together. (not to mention me as scum)

While also having spiffeh as number 1 scum.

Yup scum my bad sorry spiffeh.

what was your response to when sircakez did this
-EP

okay time to read

[Friendless Seniors]

MAYBE YOU AND I DONT USE THE SAME TERMINOLOGY BUT TO SHEEP SOMEONE IS TO VOTE THE SAME AS ANOTHER PERSON WHO YOU THINK IS TOWN JUST BECAUSE YOU TRUST THEM NOT VOTING SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU ALREADY THINK THEY ARE SCUMMY.

Did you not read my post where I talked about the terrible things Skybird did?

I'm noting a difference in the posting between the two "heads" where one was coming across scummier than the other and I'm acknowledging this right in the post because, gee, I'm actually open to re-evaluating my reads. I'm basically thinking out loud in that post. And I love you telling me what I would and wouldn't say.

I'm struggling to find a response to this because it's so far removed from common sense
Ok
so
Me "telling you what you would and wouldn't say" is me noting that you're exhibiting unreasonable behavior as town if you actually wanted to act in a protown way. Secondly, no, nothing in your original post suggested you were "re-evaluating your reads" because you were finding ways to paint us as scum.
Exhibit A: "See there's this perfectly reasonable explanation for why EP looks better but I'm going to ignore that explanation in favor of the explanation that paints us as scum"
Exhibit B: "I'm also going to ignore the part where EP said Skybird was scum in favor of painting that vote like a sheep vote"

You don't think it's at all interesting that Dram just appears to ignore the game completely until someone actually votes for him, at which point he's suddenly present and posting all over? Doesn't that suggest a player who's actually been paying attention the whole time but choosing not to post or do anything remotely useful?

which is scum because...?

THAT BEING SAID: there is something tone-wise about Skybird that makes me think that she might be town which makes the axel vote even better

Reading Seniors' ISO has been like gargling liquid PCP and just falling short of swallowing the whole mouthful.

remind me to quote this after the game ends

Maybe I shouldn't be townreading Axelrod, but he's right about Dramonic, and using his opinion on Dram as a reason to scumread him is either:
"1. Finding reasons to scum read us that aren't legit
2. Not actually evaluating these reasons because you don't CARE how legit your read is as long as they make your case look good"

Look at this entire gourmet platter of a case that I give on Axelrod and you focus on the tiniest shrimp and say that it's rotten
Do you have anything to say about the actual reasons why Axelrod is scum?

tictac's 1203 I take issue with

I forgot, I also have personal bias against Ranger and think she should play better then the average scummer.

reasonable

Ranger's reads progression is really legit but that doesn't really mean anything
I get the feeling that scumranger would just do the same thing that she does as town
That being said, no real read on ranger yet

actually
hmmmmm
ranger is town for now

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

Hi, I'll be VLA until Monday. I did not anticipate this, so I'm really sorry that it came up and especially sorry to hiplop. If anyone has urgent questions for this head, then please direct me to them as I'll be checking rather infrequently.

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

Not even a true quality that I give up as scum

like hes straight up lying

[Friendless Seniors]

beeboy, go on cakez. He is very very likely sucm here

Ranger is..meh? I'll get to work there. I can read that slot, don't worry.

[Friendless Seniors]

Honestly spiff, university just ended for me. I've been a bit busy for mafia.

I'm a bit behind haha. I'm sorta catching up but everytime I do, beeboy is screaming in my face!!!!

[Friendless Seniors]

I'm here too and can give you my thoughts.You - Didn't like your push on FS at first. But after going over your ISO overall your other questions and activity look town to me.FS - I don't like the amount of time they spent complaining about your (BBoy) push on them. I also don't like that they are scum-reading me off one post. They like Ami's case on me even though that consists of Ami not liking my questions and assigning a scum motivation to it. EP and Hippy have both played with me before so they know how I am D1 in a large. Their position on me feels a lot like a slot keeping their options open to be able to jump on a lynchbait wagon. Leaning scum here.Ranger - feels town. Ranger just got in the game and spent some time reading and putting forth reads as she went along. The posts read as open and forthright to me. I want to see more as we go along but for now, I'm not interested in lynching Ranger today.VOTE: Friendless Seniors

Hippy has been largely absent. I agree you're probably town.

Why us over ranger?

[Friendless Seniors]

I speak as the obvscum he caught in Mafiaception.

this is wrong. Spiffeh hard defended you all game? You might remember a certain friendless senior caught you.

357 is dead on the money, but I'd like to add: hiplop's naked vote on pistachi0n served the same purpose. Everyone else who voted pistachi0n looked like they genuinely felt like they were pursuing a scumclaim, but hiplop gave absolutely nothing. (Yes I can tell it was hiplop.) And Mirhawk gave 324.

of course it was me. I naked vote ALL the time. When someone counterclaims, that's what I think you should do. Its my fucking way of play and YOU of all people should know that. This is bullshit. You CAN read me, and I think you're one of the few who can, but you're completely off based

and you know it

I gotta figure this out. I have lots of experience with ranger.

[Friendless Seniors]

you're giving me an aneurism

[Friendless Seniors]

VOTE: ranger

this is scum, actually.

[Friendless Seniors]

spiffeh you're kinda null to me but EP is townreading you. Even when you're scum, I'm always willing to work with you spiff

[Friendless Seniors]

^ what he said

[Friendless Seniors]

quote stripes sound so cute

[Friendless Seniors]

this is frustrating.

Not a single good reason.

Congrats beeboy, your shitty nothing noise throwing convinced tammy.

[Friendless Seniors]

I can finally talk about why I was absent

Scummies really got to me. Sorry. I can be here full force now

[Friendless Seniors]

yay yay congratulations.

Now do something!

Also beeboy didn' tget to me for thinking you're scum, it's your other head ep that looks fake as shit with every single post he makes. You should really choose your hydra partners more wisely you know!

I loved it tbh. Not mean!

vote sircakez

EP is a fake sounding guy. Hes like 70% synthetic its ok.

[Friendless Seniors]

^ they, sorry.

[Friendless Seniors]

they, person

[Friendless Seniors]

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[Friendless Seniors]

[Friendless Seniors]

Hey, so you want to know what the scum counter-wagon to {Friendless Seniors, Mirhawk} is?Right here. You have it.

get your head out of your ass please. Your shitty wagon is the scumlead one

[Friendless Seniors]

please don't let ranger last long. This is embarrassing ranger2

Yes it is. It's fucking frustrated town who has been backed into a corner all game for no fucking reason

[Friendless Seniors]

EP is
at long last
here.

[Friendless Seniors]

i'm really busy right now so i'm kinda multitasking -EP

FS - I don't like the amount of time they spent complaining about your (BBoy) push on them. I also don't like that they are scum-reading me off one post. They like Ami's case on me even though that consists of Ami not liking my questions and assigning a scum motivation to it. EP and Hippy have both played with me before so they know how I am D1 in a large. Their position on me feels a lot like a slot keeping their options open to be able to jump on a lynchbait wagon. Leaning scum here.

Respond to 723

1450 is okay but

The EP slot knows how mad I get at this game and tried to get me mad anyway and even pointed out that it was a problem which is backwards logic.

this is just a straight up lie

And so much of it is meta but you don't give any examples so I struggle to see how anyone could be convinced by it
like comprehensive analysis of both our town game and scum game

also Ranger vote is good

cerb is... probably town?

Congrats beeboy, your shitty nothing noise throwing convinced tammy.

hiplop you rock

actually Ranger vote is maybe not good

sorry hip tammy thinks i'm dragging you down

[Friendless Seniors]

i'm gonna do the beeboy readslist thing in a bit because i'm awesome

-ep

[Friendless Seniors]

TOWN
Tammy- Good

Amihan- Good

Spiffeh- Good

beeboy- Good

True Ogre- Good

WON'T LYNCH FOR NOW
The Pied Piper- I think some of the Nacho posting (at least I think it was Nacho) was good, but I honestly have no idea with this head, I want to say town but I think there were some things that prevented me from thinking that.

Mirhawk- the case on mirhawk I don't understand and early game was strong enough so that I will wait to see more from Mirhawk before considering lynching.

Ranger- This is really really "For now" because Ranger hasn't really pinged me enough to say I want to lynch her and there were a few posts that I did really like. I will talk to hiplop a bit about this

Cerb- Good, I think this is town play but I'm not entirely sure

Wrong Lynch- I don't remember anything making me want to evaluate wrong lynch more honestly. I think I might have to ISO them more though.

pistachio- probably good

podo- really flipping on this slot, so I want to see more before I actually consider lynching, I see a lot of good from podoboq, and clearly made an effort to connect with the game.

SHRUG
Snowman- Not enough to really evaluate this slot?

Dramonic- I'd rather not lynch Dramonic, I don't think that anything he did really merited a scumread so it confuses me that people want to vote him, it kinda shows me that people are targeting the low-content people because they don't actually have strong reads they want to push

Sakura- I don't know enough about this slot to actually say something of note

davesaz- don't really know enough about this slot. I'll ISO him when I have time

COULD LYNCH
Skybird- Hippy thinks skybird is town but 723 bad. Skybird seems to continually use the "my playstyle is just like this, don't scumread me" thing which is bad.

SirCakez- Logically, he kinda sucks. It could be because his style is just like that but I really don't understand most of the stuff that cakez scumreads people for

tictac- I see them following the big wagons- us, Ranger, Mirhawk, and going with the flow of the game, seems somewhat disconnected from the game, gives views on things but never really brings up things that she believes should be pushed, not really advancing game state?

Axelrod- I've already posted about Axelrod

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

people are just assuming that mirhawk is scum and I really don't see it. I don't see how people see it.

ahhh wtf

[Friendless Seniors]

UNVOTE: I think EP and Hiplop may just be lynch bait imo.VOTE: Ranger

are you fucking kidding

[Friendless Seniors]

yea. our wagon is shit, comprised of shitty scummy players without reasons

its seriously the worst wagon ive ever seen on ms and I'm just so done with this game

[Friendless Seniors]

amihan is probably faking something again

[Friendless Seniors]

because I'm fucking tired of this bullshit

[Friendless Seniors]

I'm the lazy/scum wagon of choice. That is fucking annoying

[Friendless Seniors]

Amihan is being weird af with that cakez read, she already faked miller. Her faking much more is gonna make me want her head. This seems like that

[Friendless Seniors]

VOTE: ranger

cakez/ranger we support

[Friendless Seniors]

I like axels post here, EP. Sorry.

[Friendless Seniors]

one of the strongest town players around and someone who is fairly good as town, is lynchbait?

I'm one of the best town players and fairly good as town!!!

[Friendless Seniors]

I'm objectively better at scum tbh

and you forgot this hydra is also don Corleone nominated

[Friendless Seniors]

ftr, I can't remember the last time I was lynched as scum unless the game was in a state where I was PoE'd

[Friendless Seniors]

whereas my EXTREME STYLE tends to get me mislynched

[Friendless Seniors]

ranger knows this.

their pushing of this slot is shifty af

[Friendless Seniors]

If it looks like scum. It is probably scum. Errant's posting on this page in particular is signature Errant-scumplay posting.

Whoa whoa whoa. That isn't how you scumhunt me.
You said in space invaders that my regular posting was town. I was scum. So you, by experience, cannot tell the difference between my town and scumposting unless, by your words, "something egregious slips through the cracks." And you haven't posted anything that points to you thinking that, you're just posting a blanket statement.

Yeah Ranger is scum

Although I will admit

I expected you to have fresh perspective and you didn't.

Not my fault people beat me to the punch because I wasn't in the game at the time. If others say what I want said before I have said it, there's not much I can do except say, "^this, totally this".

That was a horrible point by tictac

So other than post 723, what do you think is scummy?

So the playstyle defense again, and you're just outright admitting that 723 was scummy?

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

No, I'm saying that's all you got. And I totally disagree that 723 was scummy in the first place.

EP, you are better than this. If I was really scum, you should be able to come up with much more evidence.

there are several things wrong with this.

1. Why isn't 723 scummy you can't just say it isn't and present that as fact
2. You try to discredit me based on me being "better than this" which is just an empty statement that you try and present as an argument
3. Scum are perfectly capable of acting towny most of the time. It's not like a comprehensive base of evidence that people have because most scum don't act consistently scummy. That's why you find one thing and then pressure people to confirm that one thing.
4. You haven't done anything particularly towny that would make me reconsider the fact that you're scum. Even if I were to weigh the town stuff against the scum stuff you haven't done any town things anyway.

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

No, I'm saying that's all you got. And I totally disagree that 723 was scummy in the first place.

EP, you are better than this. If I was really scum, you should be able to come up with much more evidence.

Oh? Really? What have you done that you think is so scummy that it would be easy for EP to find evidence?

Cerb

what are you talking about?

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

Ranger wagon is def a scum counterwagon to Seniors/Mirhawk. Like Seniors is just following Spiffeh's vote, it's pretty sad.
Axel - the only thing I'm doing are meta reads? The fuck

if we die, lynch this after. please.

ranger/cakez scum lol

[Friendless Seniors]

I can verify skybird is regularly a scummy pos

paint mafia I almost got immediately mislynched because people were convinced skybird claimed scum by accident

[Friendless Seniors]

Whoa whoa whoa. That isn't how you scumhunt me.You said in space invaders that my regular posting was town. I was scum. So you, by experience, cannot tell the difference between my town and scumposting unless, by your words, "something egregious slips through the cracks." And you haven't posted anything that points to you thinking that, you're just posting a blanket statement.Yeah Ranger is scumAlthough I will admit

yep. this is a big deal. Ranger also is blatantly misrepping me. I can bring her down if she wants. I had a discussion with her about my scumgame in the past, and she had much different words than what shes saying here.

[Friendless Seniors]

skybird/TWL vote ranger

[Friendless Seniors]

I'm not dw

[Friendless Seniors]

hey cakez, you realize town does not act super productive all the time, right? a lot of your case seems to be based on some weird concept that town is hard working, productive and collaborative while scum is lurky and mean.

I don't know if that's how you really feel or if you're scum, but even if I WERE scum, that isn't a good case. Things like the "skimming the thread in a way that I see coming from town", that's a common thing town does. Obviously not ideal, but scum skimming and town skimming are very different and the difference is usually quite apparent. both skim thread, scum are skimming for very different things than town are

[Friendless Seniors]

also your case appears to be: hydra dissonance?

[Friendless Seniors]

is this nacho or plot? I'm going to go back and look. I've forgotten what that was about, in all honesty.

@cakez, scum get lazy. I'm sure you've noticed a game where you're town and missed something, skimmed over some content, ya? It happens to everyone (except plot). People make mistakes, miss things etc. They are primarily looking for a fundamentally different thing than scum. Scum concerned with votes, lining up of lynches on people who aren't them. Town are more likely to be "lost" while scum are more likely to be vanishing.

Not a great explanation, but dif win cons means different attitude, brain will pick up dif info

[Friendless Seniors]

ily nacho <3

[Friendless Seniors]

and I like beeboy for the push. So I'm conflicted as I don't really buy the Sakura-scum argument but will entertain it.

This post is weird. It was at the point where beeboy hadn't really said anything. I mean, I get why some people would scumread me, but I'm not sure any of them were particularly convinced before post 123 that beeboy was making a good push lol.

He was like quasi-rvs'ing me at that point. To me, this looks like true ogre checked in and saw beeboy say a bunch of words directed at me, and just kinda assumed it was a good case. It reads as a very lurky-town

[Friendless Seniors]

theres a few other posts like that. Trueogre awkwardly trying to step in and be a big part.

He looks like hes trying but is behind, basically.

I'm rereading a bit, and cakez could be scum.

Tictac seems more likely scum than everyone else tbh. I think ranger is still safest today because I think deadline is soon?

[Friendless Seniors]

cakez could be

scum

town.

ebwop. I meant to say cakez could be TOWN

[Friendless Seniors]

why are you townreading ranger, cakez?

is there enough support for tictac?

[Friendless Seniors]

fuck it VOTE: tictac

come to ranger w/ me if this dilutes

[Friendless Seniors]

please @ cakez. I want to know your thoughts.

Do you townread tictac, spiffeh? Every time they make a post it gets universally panned and then shoved under the rug. It feels like the classic "your second scumread is scum", tell. Like, I'm pretty sure everyone is at least partially scumreading tictac?

[Friendless Seniors]

Mixture of gut + meta + liking the reads progression (it was very very similar to mine) + catchup felt genuineStuck

on mobile can go more in depth later if wanted

[Friendless Seniors]

podo, thoughts on tictacx

[Friendless Seniors]

VOTE: ranger

sorry cakez, this isn't gonna happen. they are scum, we gotta get em tomorrow.

ranger is scum too so doesn't really matter

[Friendless Seniors]

I'm sure you've noticed a game where you're town and missed something, skimmed over some content, miss things ya? It happens to everyone (except plot).

point proven

[Friendless Seniors]

vote ranger. you can't get away with "I'm not a huge fan of either but I like ranger a little better"

why? for what reasons? have you read the game?

[Friendless Seniors]

axel is like 100% scum.

I think this latest development paints ranger scum pretty clearly, too. He rolefished, set up for a potential deadline bus.

Axel playing like newbiescum, left his partner caught in the dust

[Friendless Seniors]

hey nacho can u vote ranger plz n thx

[Friendless Seniors]

sakura are you reading the game? like are you caught up? there is tons of info available for ranger scum

[Friendless Seniors]

shes exactly like mafiaception

I would know

I caught her

[Friendless Seniors]

cakez, just because she agrees with you doesn't mean shes town.

I don't mean to discredit you here, but that scumpool you just mentioned, is the easiest, least unique one presented thus far. Basically EVERYONE has some sort of bad feeling on all those slots. They are all very easy to push, classic "mislynch" types. Scum will usually align with town on reads like that.

Her pushing tictac hard and completely avoiding actual pressure on that slot is SERIOUSLY scummy.

[Friendless Seniors]

hello, this is EP.
something very emotionally difficult has happened to me and I hope you understand that I don't think i'll be able to really spend time on mafia for the time being.
thank you for being understanding, especially to hiplop.
I will be more than willing to do an awesome catchup when I get back.

[Friendless Seniors]

Hippy - why aren't you trying to get me to see she's like mafiaception? I was there too, scum reading her, and I'm the one who used my role to prove she was scum. Feels weird you wouldn't be pointing out the similarities to someone who actually lived the game.

because you haven't been around >____<

[Friendless Seniors]

against all odds (seriously, and I can't believe i'm actually putting mafia even close to my priorities right now), ep is here- albeit for a short time. because i don't wanna let hiplop down.
someone point me to the case(s) and i'll talk about it.
are we at L-1?

[Friendless Seniors]

fruit vendor- hedwig and the angry inch
we give people wigs.

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

cmon ppl we got 6 hours lets do this someone case us right here right now

[Friendless Seniors]

we give wigs to people
people are informed they get the wigs
wigs don't do anything

[Friendless Seniors]

K. I'll work quickly too. I anticipate I have maybe 15 minutes for mafia right now.

"Snarky vote is scummy because snarky is lynchbait" is terrible. Think about it- the picture people are trying to paint is that we have scummotivation to get snarky mislynched. I don't understand how scum-us would reasonably expect this to happen when it's literally that early in the game, and if I recall correctly, hippy's vote was a naked vote, it's not like we were casing him.

"Cakez case is bad" is also terrible. Even if the case was bad, that doesn't even make us scum. Secondly, the case isn't bad. You're not evaluating your reads with respect to associative tells.

"Podo case is bad" is acceptable, but 1) hypocritical considering the case on us has a bunch of NAI things and 2) it actually isn't NAI but I assume we'll just agree to disagree. And note how a lot of it can be explained from game disconnect, and I considered podo's response to that question adequate, meaning that yes, I no longer scumread podo.

"845 is useless questions" FIRST OF ALL, there were no questions in that fucking post, only answers to quesions that people asked us. So yes, I am doing something by answering fucking questions. Get your head out of your ass, cakez.

"Ranger progression" can be fully explained by the fact that there are two heads in this hydra but I guess you didn't know that or you wouldn't be making such a terrible point. Oh wait, you would.

"Cakez vote" is not a terrible point but it's not really that align indic anyway.

"FS wagon is shitty" isn't scummy because it's true. Exhibit A: you.

-EP

Sorry if I came off as a little angry (I'm actually not that sorry.)

[Friendless Seniors]

RIGHT CAN WE STOP DISCUSSING THE ROLE BECAUSE I CAN ALREADY TELL IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE

ARE THERE ANY POINTS I MISSED CMON I HAVE LIKE 6 MINUTES

-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

LIKE "OH SURE ROB MGIHT HAVE GIVE NA SCUM ROLE FRUIT VENDOR"
"BUT HE MIGHT NOT HAVE"

[Friendless Seniors]

i'm glad podo is basically super town righ tnow

[Friendless Seniors]

that's fine, we've established that, we know that fruit vendor isn't an align indic role, someone please did i miss any points

[Friendless Seniors]

okay i gotta go. I might be checking on my phone but i can't post anything of huge substance. that's that, i guess.
-EP

[Friendless Seniors]

I'm sorry, Seniors, but I'm having a hard time skimming for walls about you. I'm kind of strapped for time at the moment as well. If I can't find anything else, and you have to peace out again, good luck with whatever's happening. We love you even if you flip scum!

hell no dude
you think i'm gonna just accept the fact that we're the lynch for today

[Friendless Seniors]

reminder tomorrow, treat cerb as on our wagon.

he is pushing it hard without actually committing. He's playing a very poor scum game rn

[Friendless Seniors]

I agree that there COULD be a scum fruit vendor. But has anyone here ever actually seen one?

That's a meaningless question. The presence or lack of a role in the past does not mean it was not put in this game. Period. This is why meta is shit. Past behavior does not indicate future behavior.

example this.

"IM NOT SAYING FS IS SCUM....BUT WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM BECAUSE HE COULD BE"

why can't I be a dayvig

[Friendless Seniors]

like, imagine if we had claimed cop.

and cerb was giving you guys this answer.

you'd lynch him in a minute.

pedit: you're scum cerb. Give it a break. You're doing a really shitty version of a distance from our wagon

[Friendless Seniors]

"there hasn't been a scum cop before, but meta is STUUUUUUUUUUPID and you should lynch him anyway"

change the frame of dialogue slightly and cerb is scumclaiming

[Friendless Seniors]

hey cerb, why is ranger town?

[Friendless Seniors]

hiplop, shaddup. You've never seen scum!me, you have no idea. I love you man, but yeah.

lol.

"meta is bad, past behavior can't indicate future behavior"

"HIPLOP U SO BAD U DONT HAVE ANY META ON ME"

okay scumcerb

[Friendless Seniors]

fucking hammer us cerb. Take the attention you're trying to fucking avoid

[Friendless Seniors]

hes doing even worse than that.

hes speaking in shitty theoretical terms to try and appear like he WASN'T pushing for our death


fucking own it. Get that blood on your hands.

[Friendless Seniors]

(btw, you all realize this interaction FS is having with me is SUPER FUCKING TOWN RIGHT? I'm not being sarcastic. I don't know why scum him would do this, because there's literally no chance of a wagon being shifted over to me, of all people, at this stage in the day)

Ranger is town because ranger is town. I could look through her iso and tell you why, but it's fundamentally the fact that her flow and reasoning feels like it comes from a town place, as it were. Which is the sort of mystical bullshit I HATE myself, but considering I haven't bothered doing ANY isoing at all, it's really the best I can do.

pedit: My point is you were trying to say I'm acting like scum, when you don't know how I would act as scum, hiplop. that's all. If you DID know how I acted as scum, I would have instead said "yes, but I'm super self aware of my meta(which btw, this game is playing to my limited scum meta to a T, because just like that game, I have other things going on that are kidna making this take a back seat), and were i actually scum i would be playing to my actual town meta. Which is all fluffy and super easy to do as scum, ESPECIALLY D1. ^^)

1. I've read your scumgames
2. its not THAT hard to detect
3. I'm glad you're now trying to get towncred for when I die, but ya, good try.

[Friendless Seniors]

VOTE: tictac

watch ranger squirm trying to bus their buddy.

[Friendless Seniors]

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And in the other scumgame, the one I was *inactive* in, was quite similar to this one? Then alright, default to my other answer, the one I give to people who actually are aware of any sort of meta for me and try to use it to paint me as scum.

you said it yourself, meta sucks. Stop using it

eh

VOTE: ranger

if I cant get mirhawk, cant get anyone.

Ranger is scum. I promise you cerb. Come, please.

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My wagon picked up HELLA steam after rangers did. I'm a pseudo-counterwagon

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ya cerb is def scum

my wagon is blatantly scumpushed. It literally formed out of a death tunnel from master scumhunter beeboy

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I've never played in a Rob13 game before. Does he like vigs? Is that a *thing* we should even be thinking about when we're talking about those slots?

"meta is bad what happens in the past doesn't impact the future"

-cerberus666

are you even trying to be consistent

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no one is going to speak up. I'm the scum designated mislynch

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like cerb you have quantifiable reasons I'm town

and your ranger-town shtick is pathetic and fake.

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can you just lynch me

this game has sucked since day one. This is probably the most obvtown game I've ever played and shitters are still voting me.

I don't think this will ever change. Lynch me and learn nothing woot

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the sad thing is I think snarky and dram are both town

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VOTE FOR WHO YOU'RE LESS SURE OF

FUCKING DO IT CERB

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cerb u can even defend it by saying ur avoiding nolynch

u can still look good to the town tomorrow

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lol at the coincidental nature of both those stories cerb

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The FS wagon has been a constant throughout the day because of people vote parking there

I've had to fight tooth and fucking nail for every single vote on the Ranger wagon

this.

so much fucking this.

who is harder to lynch? scum.

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everyone is like "we have to look at these people for playing like shit tomorrow"

and theyre all on ym fucking wagon

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what is a voteslave

are you gonna sheep spiffeh or tunnel spiffeh

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As far as I'm concerned, a vote for NL is basically a scum claim.

ya that

Cerb if there is an opportunity to hammer and you don't take it

And this day ends in a no lynch

Needless to say I will be very upset

if that happens I don't think I want to play with cerb again honestly. I'd rather die than see him fencesit any longer

pickup

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I apologize for thinking podo was scum

this is a very town mindset

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hippy other than Ranger who are your scum reads?

I'll give you my "possibly scum" list. So nullscum-> scumread

Axel, Cerb, Tammy? could be scum here/davesaz, Tictac, potentially pied piper? Nacho seems town, plot not so much

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Cerb is overly pushing his whole "bad at day one" thing. It really, really bothers me. I know he tries to replicate his meta, and that's what this looks like. A really bad replication of his towngame

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Spiff, if it wasn't obvious, I'm cluster-reading this game.

that huge group has mini groups I'm trying to sort out

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shes been weirdly absent. And something about her posts are just...less towmmy than I'm used to

She's the one i'm least sure of, fwiw.

pedit: #CerbToVoteNoLynch

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shes been weirdly absent. And something about her posts are just...less towmmy than I'm used to

She's the one i'm least sure of, fwiw.

pedit: #CerbToVoteNoLynch

Have I really? You've played with me for what almost every game I've played in for the past year and my activity is exactly this.

Tell me more about how it's weirdly absent.

Also stop trying to take the credit for catching ranger in mafiaception when I'm the one who ensured she was busted.

you're right it was all you I did nothing. take your little victory.

Absent in activity and thingness. You've done less than I'd expect you to. I respect you a lot. This isn't the sort of play I'd expect from town tammy, for example.

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tammy do you think I'd fakeclaim fruit vendor

because I wouldn't

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Considering I am town and this is my town play, sorry to disappoint I guess.Didn't suggest you were fake claiming. Fruit vendor does not have to be a town role.

Post more. I'll sort you. Why are you so hung up over a tiny read

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Lets not forgot in mafiaception ranger ALSO faked a "huge unstoppable" case on me

pedit: fruit vendor is a shitty role to fakeclaim because of paranoia.

its like claiming neighbourizor

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Because I have to decide between you and ranger to place my vote and if you're listing nonsense nullshit that looks like a lie to me, I'm voting you.

if I was trying to appeal to you as scum

I wouldn't be calling you scum

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because I'd expect you to react exactly this way

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tammy/mala

can you stop

and lynch ranger? Please. Your noise does nothing here

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DO IT TAMMY

FEEL THE POWER RUSH THROUGH YOUR VEINS

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMER

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ranger did that exact thing in mafiaception

and another game I don't want to talk about

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ily tam tam

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ya miller means shit yo

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Why the hell would Seniors choose Mirhawk, a leading wagon yesterday, to vend to?

no one would kill him.

Cerb, only SHITTY players shoot scumreads as vig.

I don't like you shading that way

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Who the fuck shoots spiffeh?

TWL?

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NKA usually sucks

spiffeh kill makes no sense though.

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I really am not liking pied piper. This looks like Plotscum. Nacho looks town but I really am having a hard time shaking plot-scum here.

@Ogs NKA usually sucks, but sometimes it doesn't? In the case of odd-ball kills like spiffeh who just ham-fisted a lynch on a townie, it very likely paints to someone. Spiffeh went pretty hard against twl. Theres a few other suspects, but I think TWL would be most probable.

I'd be okay with Piper/Pistachio/Cerb/TWL right now. Not in any particular order. I'll likely do more investigation on plot before I really do anything to push that

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I forgot tictac

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EP is here and reading.

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piper, I gotta question for you involving what you say and the vote you place in 2399.
You think that there's scum in Mirhawk and us.
You think that Mirhawk and Cakez looked bad.
Common denominator is mirhawk- why vote cakez?

Nacho looks town but I really am having a hard time shaking plot-scum here.

I don't really pay attention to which head posts which but I think we're on the same page.

shrug i gotta go

-EP

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tictac/pied piper make the most sense as scum there, I'd think

VOTE: pipes. really clumsy wagon handling

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I don't necessarily disagree, and I DO think Axel is scum. PArt of me is questioning that with his latest post though.

How sure are you, dram?

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no, your scum game is very calculated plot. And this feels sorta like it.

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And I like that Errant is at least asking me questions.

I am REALLY worried about you saying this, plot. I think I like the vote where it is, but I like Nacho posts almost more than the things i dislike about yours.

True Ogre, if you're not town then serious props to you cause you completely fooled me
god tier townread right now

tictac's 2578 kinda rubs me the wrong way.

hippy let's have a conversation.

-EP

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I think that there's scum in Mirhawk-Seniors because of wagon dynamics and the feeling that the thread had as wagons were rising and falling and that's all very nice but it's not something that's about you specifically. I don't have the time right now to go through your posts and make a case in either direction.

which is fine but i think it would be nice if when you do have the time, you could strike a position on us.
I'm anxious to sort you and I want to know what you think about us.

-EP

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True Ogre, if you're not town then serious props to you cause you completely fooled me
god tier townread right now

Yeah thanks for that. I love being townread for prematurely claiming and forcing an IC to claim when setup balance probably assumes they might last until mylo.
I also love the conflicting emotion of being townread for what I think is a bad reason.

that's not really the reason i'm townreading you. i had you as town D1.

I liked TWL earlier on but now they are doing 0 things to scumhunt which is bad.

oh boy

FS is smart enough to know that they were being scum read and to shift their comments to seem more town.

is this real

-EP

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Deliberately pointing that out feels suspect though, because it's really not a huge mark against them, but it will get people to townread you when they see you turn down easy town cred.

cerb nothing you have ever said has ever resonated with me more.

-ep

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Someone tell me to ISO marquis when I have time.
There might be something to glean from the way Marquis is pushing skybird, because something seems off.

-EP

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My strongest scumread is still Skybird - who just jumped in, quoted the mod innocent, and unvoted (again, scum just doing the bare minimum to try and look town, with no trajectory of other reads or where to revote).

you're looking at 2534 as a scum indicative post right now. And I'm having a hard time believing that you actually believe that.
Sure, some of skybird's stuff D1 was not good stuff but how is unvoting an IC alignment indicative at all? How would Skybird reasonably expect to think that she was looking town from that move? How does the amount of effort that Skybird puts in indicative?
you're either hard confbiasing right now or just trying to get skybird lynched based on faulty premises.

-EP

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I'm behind, sorry.
Will catch up on this Monday? Sorry.

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VOTE: the wrong lynch

this feels like scum. big time. The coasting feels like scum coasting over town coasting. Even yesterday was primarily just butting headss with tammy rather than actual content

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just vote skybird, hippy. i've already been reining in the urge to vote you.

(hint: FS is a great great vig shot, along with maybe cerb or axel)

1. we're pretty obviously town
2. we are active except for this weekend

give me a fucking break. I was going to vote skybird until that TWL post last page that dram posted

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Marquis weird townread of TWL makes no sense. TWL EVEN IF TOWN has played very poorly, marquis' weird defense is just plain bad.

I really, really think TWL is scum

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and like sorry marquis but how are you allowed to talk about people being inactive...

personality tell marquis... cmon.

I was inactive at the start because it was frustrating as hell

pickups.

Two prodded marquis calling our slot inactive. ok

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davesaz/ogre, thoughts on TWL?

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spiffeh dies scumreading TWL, TWL makes massive noise all day with tammy; understandable why tammy doesn't get killed.

It makes sense. TWL is scum.

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Anyway I'm going here.

VOTE: The Wrong Lynch

Personal reasons for not participating aside, there's nothing but excuses, excuses, excuses for not even trying to give reads or opinions.

okay this is good.

Titac is a good contender. 4/4 people she was pushing are town.

Disliking davesaz this game. Dude is usually much more of a prescence. I remember him lurking as scum another time, too.



I really do think this is town bird. Check out paint mafia. Very similar scummy play.

before anyone comments, I'm already townreading all three players above - TPP the least strongly as I think both heads are able to trick me

This post is scummy as fuck. It realllllly looks bad. Marquis, explain in detail your TWL townread. It makes no sense at all.


Town: Mirhawk, ogre, cakez, pogo, pistachion, itlepip, Friendless Seniors, Dramonic.

Seem fair? anyone I'm missing?
pied piper or TWL die today. Both are playing their scum meta.

I just read up now, sorry ogre didn't realize you were also pushing pied piper. Who are you more comfortable with? I'm leaning piper. This feels awful like plot scum, and you're getting nacho-scum? good enough for me.

Also worrying is the weird null-read everyone is giving them. I think they are straight chambering this game

VOTE: Pied Piper

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town: Mirhawk, ogre, cakez, pogo, pistachion, itlepip, Friendless Seniors, Beeboy
{Skybird, cakez, dramonic}
Null: Sakura, axel, cakez
{marquis, Davesaz, cerb}
scum: pied piper, tictac, The wrong lynch

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town: Mirhawk, ogre, cakez, pogo, pistachion, itlepip, Friendless Seniors, Beeboy
{Skybird, cakez, dramonic}
Null: Sakura, axel, cakez
{marquis, Davesaz, cerb}
scum: pied piper, tictac, The wrong lynch

Why am I in three places?

originally only had 3 tiers then added one

cant get you off my mind bb. You're a conflicted read to me, apparently. I had you in the one below scum too >_>

lets call that null.

Mirhawk is like, making super good pushes. I really get a townread off the guy.

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all aboard on piper btw. We caught it. I know no one wants to read their walls, because yall are lazy jerks but trust me this is scum

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3013 moves axel to town.

his motivations make sense re:mirhawk. I just have a strong feeling okay?

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if you want a scumflip, vote piper, dave.

Yea, basically gut but I have reasoning. Feeling to lazy to describe, but yeah. His response to me yesterday/his recent posting has me sure hes town.

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hes joking yea

rob14 I'm so sorry

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see townplot wouldn't say that to me.

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ib4 piper faux votes me