Micro 596: Longnight Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Ranger]

Yo.

I don't think I need to announce it since this is gonna be pretty universal, but just in case, should say:

V/LA over this weekend

, due to Easter.

[Ranger]

{This is my username}
{Postie, TheTrollie}
{PantherPunt}

This is the part where I'd vote PantherPunt if I were in his group, but I'm not.

[Ranger]

{This is my username}
{TheTrollie}
{Postie}
{PantherPunt}

Off of 2.

[Ranger]

{This is my username}
{TheTrollie}
{Postie}
{Killthestory}
{Rhaegar}
{PantherPunt}

I need someone from my group other than me to post before I can finish my list.

[Ranger]

Actually,
{This is my username}
{TheTrollie, Postie}
{Rhaegar}
{Killthestory}
{PantherPunt}

This is more accurate.

[Ranger]

Have you seriously constructed a read list that includes a 0-poster and someone who has only ego-posted?
Or is this not a T>S read list and instead something else?

Guess.

[Ranger]

how do you read this shit?

By guessing.

{This is my username}
{TheTrollie, Postie}
{Killthestory}
{Rhaegar}
{PantherPunt}

[Ranger]

And Some of us have been away from this site for a couple years and would like an explanation of how your reads work.

That's not guessing, though. That's me telling you.

[Ranger]

What's the big deal about explaining it anyways when you've been asked politely by several people?

Because it's early-on. I simply don't feel like explaining until it's more relevant.

[Ranger]

{This is my username}
{TheTrollie, Postie}
{Killthestory, Not_Mafia}
{Rhaegar}
{BlueTrin}
{PantherPunt}

[Ranger]

But, how do you expect anyone to be able to get a read on you if you don't explain your thoughts and how you arrived at your leans?

By looking at my lists and guessing how I came to construct them that way.

[Ranger]

Ranger explained his reads clearly in Shortnight, when he was Town.

Only after time had passed and I was directly asked.

We're nearing that point, though I want to get caught up first before explaining.

Also,

Pronoun: He

<--Pronoun: she. :P

VOTE: Ranger.
RadiantCowbells is town.

[Ranger]

I don't like how bluefin appeared to be buddying up to Ranger by trying to answer all the questions I was directing at Ranger. Feels like scum trying to get on someone's good side.

This

was

my thought as well, this exact reasoning, but RC's posting, bluntly, would not look this bad if he were actually scum. :P

[Ranger]

Like jesus fuck I hate Rhaegar twisting every single thing that comes out of his mouth.

This is true.
Thus, why Rhaegar's the scum of that group, not Killthestory.
(Postie is very obviously town, and This is my username is very obviously town. There's the minor concern about TheTrollie, but I've overridden it because PantherPunt is just scum.)

[Ranger]

I mean.

There is the chance RC's scum with Rhaegar pulling the exact same stunt he did with Reck, mutual distancing.

But this feels different.

[Ranger]

Also, this lurking from Not_Mafia feels a lot like his scum play.

[Ranger]

{This is my username, Postie}
{TheTrollie}
{Killthestory, RadiantCowbells}
{Rhaegar, Not_Mafia}
{PantherPunt}

[Ranger]

Naturally.
Not_Mafia is scum and I was waiting for that.

[Ranger]

Until Maestro logs in to post my lynch, I can still post here, after all. So that gives me time to confirm:
{This is my username, Postie}
{TheTrollie}
{Killthestory, RadiantCowbells}
{Rhaegar, Not_Mafia}
{PantherPunt}

[Ranger]

Err,
{This is my username, Postie}
{TheTrollie}
{Killthestory, RadiantCowbells}
{Rhaegar}
{PantherPunt, Not_Mafia}

[Ranger]

This is my username is clearly town. This is the exact same TIMU from last game, strong town posting, very sharp, inquisitive.
Postie is just obvtown. I don't think I have time to explain why, but this is very, very obvious.
RadiantCowbells is confirmed town because Not_Mafia is confirmed scum.

[Ranger]

{This is my username, Postie, RadiantCowbells}
{TheTrollie}
{Killthestory}
{Rhaegar}
{PantherPunt, Not_Mafia}

Final list. The only names in question are Killthestory and Rhaegar.

[Ranger]

PantherPunt is a top scumread because from the get-go, he's been ridiculously obvious scum; he is the xRECKONERx of this game. His later posting did

not

change this for me, at all.

[Ranger]

Now, I'm also pretty sure this is Killthestory's towngame, but I'm not absolutely sure. This one's a bit hard to explain, just basically who he's pushing and how looks really town to me.

[Ranger]

The only post of TheTrollie's which gave me

any

doubt was 88; other than that, I have loved everything he's said. I like his pushes, I like his reasoning; he is town.

[Ranger]

Rhaegar is mostly scum from interactions, namely, his stance on PantherPunt is terrible. There's a lot of little things which make him scum even without the interactions, but I don't think I have time to point them out.

[Ranger]

{This is my username, Postie, RadiantCowbells}
{TheTrollie}
{Killthestory}
{Rhaegar}
{PantherPunt, Not_Mafia}

Quoting for emphasis on new page. Sheep this, and town wins.

[Ranger]

And, yes, I will defend the self-vote as a valid tactic.
It confirmed Not_Mafia as scum, and Radiant as town.
I get to control a vengekill, which means no matter who you lynch, I get to shoot at whatever scum lives through the day.
For instance, it's always possible you lynch Rhaegar and he's town, in which case I'd vengekill Killthestory since, again, Postie is obviously town.
Or maybe you're idiots and lynch Killthestory and he's town, so kill Rhaegar to get that scum flip.
No need to vengekill Not_Mafia, since he's confirmed scum already; the only way I'm vengekilling Not_Mafia is if both the other groups lynch their mafiate.

[Ranger]

(It also means scum cannot kill Radiant. Town get to kill ANY player, scum can only kill in their group of 3, so by lynching me, Radiant lives.)

[Ranger]

Basically, this game's broken for the same reason shortnight was: we only need ONE town player in each group of three.
TIMU is one.
Postie is a second.
And now, RC is a third.

So, we win.

[Ranger]

The best part is, Radiant can now talk to you as confirmed town. I'm lynched, so as soon as Maestro comes in, I can't talk anymore, but HE can. (And will probably admonish me for how stupid I was, don't care, we got confscum from it so it's a worthy trade.)

My only regret is we have nothing from Not_Mafia prior to him being confirmed scum, and obviously we now know everything he'll say after this cannot be trusted.

[Ranger]

The fact that Not_Mafia was, well, not mafia was surprising.

This.

A very large portion of my case against PantherPunt was built upon the

given

that Not_Mafia, with his instant hammer of me (I did

not

self-hammer; I self-voted specifically as a gambit), was scum. With that not being the case, a large portion of it fell apart.

But as I said in the twilight PT: I offered to take full blame for the loss, so I am. It was my fault.

[Ranger]

Well I thought you were town, yes, but not to the extent where I was just going to assume it.

I self-voted as a gambit to see how you and Not_Mafia reacted. I was expecting Not_Mafia, as town, to not self-hammer, and as scum, to self-hammer. I was expecting feedback from you about second-guessing yourself if you were town, and either a full reversal or a hammer vote if you were scum.

I was wrong on on all accounts there, thus, I take full accountability for the result of the game. I do apologize to Postie, TIMU, and Rhaegar for that.

[Ranger]

*Expecting Not_Mafia as town, to not hammer me after my self-vote, and as scum, to hammer me after my self-vote.

[Ranger]

And because I don't think Maestro linked to it:
This was my thought process.

[Ranger]

Except this was my normal game, and my impression of Not_Mafia is that he would have been smart enough to make the tactically-correct move: hammer as scum, don't hammer as town.

This was exactly the same reason I townread TheTrollie, too: TheTrollie had the means and method to hammer PantherPunt. PantherPunt was very largely suspicious in the eyes of literally every town player in the game at the time. He was voted by TIMU. TheTrollie had previously scumread PantherPunt. Nobody would have scumread TheTrollie for a hammer there, and yet he didn't hammer.

[Ranger]

(And, for the curious: TIMU voted PantherPunt in 9. That lasted until 420. TheTrollie posted a good 20 or so times in that time frame without hammering, in spite of having the PantherPunt scumread and in spite of {TIMU, Postie, Ranger} all scumreading him and Killthestory also having a scumread there. The only town player in the game at the time--because Not_Mafia was not yet in the game--was Rhaegar. I still don't get why he didn't, in fact.)

[Ranger]

*the only town player in the game at the time not scumreading PantherPunt.

Apparently, when I lose a game I also lose my ability to type coherently.

[Ranger]

Ah.

Was he coached into doing it, then? Or was it his idea? Because it just seemed so...

odd

.

[Ranger]

Ranger, did your reads get less accurate because of the setup ?

Maybe? I mean, I did have at least some justification for my reads: Killthestory WAS scum who hammered the moment an opportunity arose. (And, yes. I legitimately did not notice that Rhaegar had been hammered, would not have scumread Rhaegar near the end if I had realized this.) So Not_Mafia hammering made every bit of sense coming from scum and none from town.

RC acting town did help of course, but Not_Mafia's hammer was the real clincher. If Not_Mafia had not hammered me, then it would have done two things. One, given me serious reason to doubt he would be scum, and two, force RC to interact with me in a way that RC would potentially reveal his alignment. (Thus, why I cast the self-vote in the first place. I knew from the setup that it was a viable strategy for gathering information and also not the end of the world should I get lynched, since I would still have the vengekill.) But because he

did

hammer me, that never happened.

An impressive amount of thought went into that.

Of course. When I was lynched, there was a time crunch: Maestro could have logged on at literally any moment and locked the thread, so I was forced to do short, uninformative, vague posts to act as a guideline. (For instance, had PantherPunt been lynched and flipped town, I can guarantee I'd have vengekilled either KTS or TheTrollie, probably TheTrollie, but since the

one player I said not to lynch

was lynched, the guaranteed-win I had in mind suddenly became a 50/50 at best.)

When I was in the twilight thread, there was no such time limitation. As a result, I could spend my time explaining myself. As for why I didn't explain prior to that: the game was short. It was still in the early phases of the game, and I never explain things then. We were reaching the point where if I was asked to explain, I would, but nobody did, thus, why it never materialized until after I was dead.

I generally do whatever I like to in games, but usually, "whatever I like to" is still "make plans of some sort for the objectively-best plays".

And I maintain this setup is town-sided if played properly. Killthestory was exposed as scum because you were obvtown. Had we lynched one of {TheTrollie, PantherPunt}, we would have exposed scum either way because TIMU was obviously town (the play here being literally

identical

to the play last game). The one failing point in this is RC, but that would have been out of my hands anyway since had we vengekilled scum it'd have been one of {Killthestory, TheTrollie}, you guys probably would have lynched the other, and RC would have arranged for you (the only player capable of catching him) to die, leaving him in a position where he'd win 3p lylo anyway. (It didn't help that, immediately after TIMU self-hammered, Not_Mafia said all three lynches were on town, a fact which Not_Mafia should not have been predicting if he was town given his hammer on me. That really DID read as a

serious

scum flip.)

Since TIMU was lynched, my plan for winning the game was thrown out of whack.

And I guess that does answer BlueTrin's question. One curveball I could handle. Three (missing KTS's hammer, Not_Mafia hammering, TIMU being lynched instead of someone else in that group), not so much.