Micro 596: Longnight Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Rhaegar]

Hey Postie you were just online, but you didn't post in here. What gives?

Rhaegar too.
Wtf am I the only one is excited to play?

Lol, i worked almost all Saturday. I could watch, but couldn't play.

[Rhaegar]

@ranger, hope do your reads work. It's been a while since I've played here and i don't recall seeing that before.

[Rhaegar]

PP vs. Timu is town versus town I think. They both appeared genuinely frustrated with each other, however I liked how they were both able to engage and possibly work thing out.

I would be on a trollie lynch if I could vote him.

[Rhaegar]

That's not unrelated. Taking about how a previous game of this setup was done seems ok to me.

[Rhaegar]

You're really stretching here KTS.

[Rhaegar]

how do you read this shit?

By guessing.

{This is my username}
{TheTrollie, Postie}
{Killthestory}
{Rhaegar}
{PantherPunt}

And Some of us have been away from this site for a couple years and would like an explanation of how your reads work.

[Rhaegar]

@Postie

Why did were you not interacting at all with KTS prior to when I joined in and started questioning him abou PP vs TIMU? Since we're stuck in a group, I find it a bit odd that nothing was said about him until I started disagreeing with him, at which point you appear to have joined in on my side of it.

[Rhaegar]

And Some of us have been away from this site for a couple years and would like an explanation of how your reads work.

That's not guessing, though. That's me telling you.

Some people go town at the top, Some do scum at the top. I'd rather just hear it from the source than guess when it's not labeled. What's the big deal about explaining it anyways when you've been asked politely by several people?

[Rhaegar]

@bluetrim, why do you feel so compelled to explain things for ranger?

[Rhaegar]

Why call out just him when trollie and KTS have been absent for the same amount of time?

[Rhaegar]

... Well thanks for replacing in then...

[Rhaegar]

UNVOTE:

Because I only ever self-vote as town so I'm cleared now.

Do you have a read on TiMU?

That's what I was saying damnit.

Oh. Well you're probably right.

VOTE: Postie

Why say this if you are town? How is adding additional wifom to the game, even as a joke, beneficial?

This answer is that it is not, and this comes across as terribly scummy.

I see that KTS is calling me scum, I don't feel the same way about him so it seems like this is the way I will have to vote.

VOTE: Postie

[Rhaegar]

Other reads:

PP and TIMU thing was town v. town as I've said before, so by POE that leaves TheTrollie as scum.

In group one, I'm think RC (previously bluefin) is scum. I don't like how bluefin appeared to be buddying up to Ranger by trying to answer all the questions I was directing at Ranger. Feels like scum trying to get on someone's good side.

[Rhaegar]

Walk me through how that's buddying?
I really don't like how you keep emphasizing that I was previously Bluetrin. It feels disingenuous and feels like you're afraid that you lost a viable lynch because of my replace.

It's trying to get on someones good side by sticking up for and defending them. With the way this setup is designed, that is extremely important with the tiny lynch groups.

I'm emphasizing it was bluetrim because it was the things he said. Replacing out doesn't eradicate what happened with the slot, you don't get to come in with a clean slate RC. It's absurd to try and say that we should disregard everything Bluetrim said.

[Rhaegar]

The post wasn't addressed to you, I was explaining my read on your slot. As BlueTrin was part of it, and what he did was scummy, I used his name. I don't think I overemphasized anything.

And how is misspelling someone's name scummy as fuck? I heard a lot of different scumtells, but that's a new one for me.

[Rhaegar]

Why is it scummy?
Anti-town =/= scummy

Scum benefits from confusion and uncertainty, town doesn't. Scum has every reason to want to fog things up, town wants things to be straightforward and clear. What you doing, even as a joke (I don't disagree that it was a joke), just adds another layer of fog to the game.

[Rhaegar]

@RC, I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot RC, there isn't anything I can do to help you with that.

@Postie, No one has put a vote on me, read the game Postie.

[Rhaegar]

Why wasn't it addressed to me? You can talk about BlueTrin until the cows come home but the general consensus now is that I'm town and you're not going to get shit done doubtcasting the previous player.

So I should just call you town because everyone else does? I don't think that way. I don't go looking at the consensus of the player base before deciding what my reads are.

[Rhaegar]

@bluetrim, why do you feel so compelled to explain things for ranger?

@RC, I was in the process of asking BlueTrin about his interactions with me before he left, this read didn't come out of nowhere.

[Rhaegar]

@RC, where have I twisted anything you've said. Give some examples.

[Rhaegar]

@Postie, No one has put a vote on me, read the game Postie.

Oops. Well, replace "put a vote on you" with "called you scum" and my point still stands.

So because someone is suspicious of me I shouldn't post, vote or otherwise do anything..

That makes a lot of sense.

@RC, but how am I tunneling on you? Jesus, I just only called your slot scum like this evening.

[Rhaegar]

Oh hold on Rhaegar is in my group.

Goodie.

VOTE: Rhaegar

Funny how you didn't become suspicious of me until you got voted, and then you went and voted me. Seems like you are doing exactly what you accused me of doing just now.

Anway, it seems a bit disengenous for you to suddenly "realize" that I'm in your group. Shouldn't you have known that all along?

Why say this if you are town? How is adding additional wifom to the game, even as a joke, beneficial?

This answer is that it is not, and this comes across as terribly scummy.

I see that KTS is calling me scum, I don't feel the same way about him so it seems like this is the way I will have to vote.

VOTE: Postie

Also that last paragraph makes it sound like you're just putting down a vote because someone put one on you and you want to move attention away from yourself.

Ain't that a bit hypocritical?

[Rhaegar]

Would you care to explain why you want to hammer besides "bad vibes?"

Cause that is quite vague.

[Rhaegar]

Town here.

You are an asshole, but I think you're a town one so FML...

[Rhaegar]

Anyway, I went after Postie because I was town-reading KTS and I found Postie to be very disingenuous.

Not much that could be done I guess. But this quickhammer was bullshit.

[Rhaegar]

So you are going to blame a quickhammer mislynch on me? After giving no reason for suspecting me?

It's pretty obvious that Postie only voted me cause I voted her.

Don't try to pass the buck, this is your fuck-up here.

[Rhaegar]

@RC, I strongly don't believe KTS is scum. At the very least, I advise against using the vengekill on him.

[Rhaegar]

actually I think KTS is scum.

You're still scum btw

[Rhaegar]

my fuck up? motherfucker i dont even know if youre town or not, stop fucking with my brain

I have a good suspicion as to why you voted me. It was a completely poor decision, but it leads me to think you are still town. Just make sure Postie dies OK?

RC's reaction is very scummy in my opinion. He is acting like he now suddenly knows I am town, even though a little while earlier he was jumping all over my ass for calling him scum. It's quite the switch, and it is hard to see coming from a town perspective.

[Rhaegar]

Great. So that happened.

I need to sleep because it's 5AM here but I promise I'll explain more stuff tomorrow.

This is vengekill worthy.

[Rhaegar]

Rhaegar you are literally so horrible that I feel sick to my stomach right now.

That's rich coming from you.

[Rhaegar]

Well, I'm dead, so.... can I say whatever I want?

Some questions for people to answer in this thread before the end of the day. I'm fairly certain once mod confirms the lynch I can't post anymore.

@Postie, why shouldn't I vengekill you?
@RC, why is KTS scum and Postie isn't?
@RC, your thoughts on PP vs TIMU stuff that took up most of the day?
@KTS, why did you call me scum, and then why did you vote me?

[Rhaegar]

I hate bringing up WIFOM arguments...

But where is my scum motivation for voting Postie when it is already clear that you suspected me?

My vote on Postie led to the crossvote, and you, who had already expressed suspicion then hammered.

If I was scum, why would I dare risk that? I would have to know that your read was legit, and I would have to know that voting Postie would likely lead to a cross-vote.

I'm just saying, my actions would make no sense from a scum POV.

[Rhaegar]

But they make sense from a town POV where I strongly town-read you and scumread Postie.

[Rhaegar]

Um, you didn't give me a chance to Mr. Quickhammer.

I was trying to engage and ask why you were scumreading me and then you had to go and vote just to spite RC.

[Rhaegar]

I see that KTS is calling me scum, I don't feel the same way about him so it seems like this is the way I will have to vote.

[Rhaegar]

Remind me not to join any games with you in them in the future.

[Rhaegar]

Would scum really quick hammer in a game like this? I have my doubts about that.

[Rhaegar]

This game...

[Rhaegar]

To paraphrase Ranger: "I'm going to do something incredibly anti-town by voting myself, which means for sure that the person who then votes me must be scum, because there's not way a town player would be suspicious of me."

[Rhaegar]

The two self-hammers as town were atrocious.

The vengekill should be a back-up, not the way to win.

[Rhaegar]

And the two who self-hammered both suspected panther (albeit the case on him wasn't bad, but it goes to show how just relying on the vengekill is a bad idea).

[Rhaegar]

I wanted to lynch you.

[Rhaegar]

I think my point on BlueTrin was fairly accurate, his interaction with me was just plain odd.

[Rhaegar]

I thought you were town so i was pissed... But as scum that wasn't a bad move. I made it to easy for you.

[Rhaegar]

I think my point on BlueTrin was fairly accurate, his interaction with me was just plain odd.

It is not at all accurate, I am commonly read as scum equally when I am town or scum because I do this kind of thing: I just dislike incorrect facts and I was only trying to help.

See my other games where I am accused of being scum when being town for similar reasons.

If you know people scumread you for doing something, why do it as scum? Why risk the extra attention? Anyway, there wasn't any way I was going to know that meta either.