Mini 1778 — BuzzFeed UPick Mafia — Game Over

[Nahdia]

aight i'll bite

Pledge Loyalty

to Generalissimo RadiantCowbells

[Nahdia]

is there some specific way i gotta do it. i wanna do the thing.

[Nahdia]

hello friend clumsy.

[Nahdia]

i remain unconvinced of RC's alignment ^_~

[Nahdia]

the banner makes you scary, RC! i don't wanna be

manipulated

=(

[Nahdia]

What makes you think RC is town, Clumsy? Since you just implied it.

[Nahdia]

Or we could all pledge and let RC be Super-Vote PR. See if he could just vote randomly and win the game. XD

took this as an implication you see RC as town

[Nahdia]

Is there a reason (other than for the shits of it) to pledge without first having a read on RC, or, if you have a scumread on RC?

to get a read on him. also yeah, for the hell of it.

i probably wouldn't recommend anyone else signing up though at this point. neighborhoods become less and less useful the more people that are in them, not to mention RC is now a triple voter and giving him any more is kind of silly >_>

[Nahdia]

sorry it's kind of weird not being responsible for my own vote.

i'd like to hear why Maestro pledged. i have my own reasons but pledging your vote is also a pretty good way of getting out of that responsibility day 1. it's probably going to be significantly harder to read someone who has no vote.

my read on RC so far is pretty null. i've kind of had inklings in both directions. going to depend greatly on how things develop. i don't disapprove of the Clumsy vote though, I did feel he was a bit awkward in the post i called out. but then again I remember him being a bit awkward in places in the game I played where he was town come to think of it.

liking kuribo and to a somewhat lesser extent BROseiden so far.

[Nahdia]

The bolded makes me go "ew"

I want to throw shade without providing any sort of reason for it and appearing flippant

I have reasons, and I wanted to know yours. And you still haven't given them

[Nahdia]

and no, I'm not going to wait for something to happen to preemptively call it out. i don't want more people pledging, and from this point on im going to assume everyone who does really just wants desperately to coast. there's a difference between pledging post 1 of a game and pledging on page 3, believe it or not.

[Nahdia]

lmfao Maestro comes into the PT, sees that RC is townreading me, and instantly starts painting me as scum for everything i've done so far. and then follows it up with townreading RC for literally no reason.

if I could vote I sure do know where that vote would go~~~~~~~~

[Nahdia]

It's a fun new mechanic. I'm a huge fan of fun new mechanics. As I said in the PT, this early? If we've pledged, it's for funsies. I don't entirely believe you had as much/many reasons as you are purporting to have. Or maybe you have a similar / linked shiny new mechanic, idgaf. I don't. Come at me.

see, this is a perfectly good reason. and this is what you could have just given me when i asked for your reasons. but instead you had to be DIFFICULT.

[Nahdia]

Pledge Allegiance to the flag of RC

or whatever

This should be fun :3

HE HATH SPOKEN

HIS WORD IS LAW

i have my own reasons

but pledging your vote is also a pretty good way of getting out of that responsibility day 1.

The bolded makes me go "ew"

As for "getting out of responsibility", I entirely disagree. I'm still perfectly able to have my own opinions and lobby (for lack of a better word) RC's vote, both in this thread and in the PT. I'm not just going to tune out. Say shit like that once it happens, not as a preemptive exercise or because you feel like getting paranoid. That's what others are doing to

you

about

your

pledge of allegiance.

wowie none of these posts give a reason for pledging! and no, saying "This should be fun :3" doesn't imply anything lol.

[Nahdia]

@gamma, why did you dislike Clumsy proposing that idea, but ignored when I said it?

What makes mine nothing and his scum? Not sure I like that trail of thought.

Wait, did you guys actually think that was a serious proposition?

aight i'll bite

Pledge Loyalty

to Generalissimo RadiantCowbells

town spotted

I wouldn't go so far as to say that this is necessarily indicative of town. I haven't gotten any bad vibes from Nahdia yet, but it's an easy way of being rid of the responsibility behind your vote. No one that is pledged has to directly answer for their vote. Easy way to lurk without lurking. I'd be wary of anyone doing it and then going quiet.

Why do you dislike RC's post and like kuribo's? I'm inclined to like them both (both making a good point), and they both have PRs that are ~probably~ town PRs.

If there's a lengthy conversation/argument about 'but possibly prs tho' on page 3 of the game instead of just ignoring it and talking about who's scummy for the things they're doing (yes i know basically nothings happened yet but it's the principle of the thing) you'll make me the saddest person. please don't make me the saddest person.

That didn't actually answer the question. I'm wondering the same here, and you dodged it by talking about the second half.


I feel like I'm missing a lot in this game because I don't know anyone besides Nahdia. I've seen a few games you guys have been in, but I haven't really paid attention to how each person specifically plays. I think I'll need to go read a game or two from everyone.

P-edit like an entire page: RC could just confirm one way or the other, no need to hedge on the rules here.

damn this is a nice table.

[Nahdia]

(didn't mean to quote that)

[Nahdia]

and I specifically asked you for reasons in the game thread ^_~

[Nahdia]

lmao sorry, i missed that you said "in the PT" but i really did want to discuss it in public.

[Nahdia]

I on the other hand don't think more people should pledge for reasons previously stated though I guess I'm in no position to judge. And I've been trying to talk to you in the PT!

[Nahdia]

idk about RC being a hiplop wannabe but hiplop is obvtown ^_^

[Nahdia]

ok he's not obvtown but i think he is really and truly a town man.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia offered to claim but I asked her not to because we don't know who will end up in the thread.

Nothing from Maestro.

I didn't exactly offer to claim, i just brought up the idea of it :p

[Nahdia]

god speed EP, do whatcha gotta do <3

[Nahdia]

=(

[Nahdia]

Nahdia offered to claim but I asked her not to because we don't know who will end up in the thread.

Nothing from Maestro.

The way you say this implies that you trust the people that were currently in the thread at the time she offered to. Is this true?

it was literally just RC and i in the thread at the time lol.

[Nahdia]

Sorry I've had kind of a dirth of content. I've been more active in the PT, I guess I could dump my thoughts from there here when I have chance.

[Nahdia]

They exist so exist so we can make observations without observation effects. At some point though dumping the old info is alright. I just worry about being hard to read because I've barely said anything here.

[Nahdia]

If you don't want me to give out state secrets I won't.

[Nahdia]

heeeeeeeey nahdia

have any decent scumreads?

heeeeeeeeeeeeey

rn i can dig the BRO vote I've being forced into. i think RC kind of wanted to dig into this one so i won't steal his thunder on publicizing that case.

not as sold on Maestro as my earlier posts may have indicated. i like starting shit early on in games and maestro kind of became my target but coming out of it im pretty meh on him. probably partly because he kinda disappeared right after it happened. he had some reactions in the PT i didn't really like tho

RC i've got back and forth on a lot but atm i have them as town. take that with a grain of salt because my biggest weakness as a player is im ez to pocket and RC is townreading me :\

uhh Clumsy imo is kind of more awkward and asking a lot more questions than i remember him doing in the game i played with him as town. kinda think he might be trying a bit too hard to appear an active participant.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh idrk others i'll get back to u on that.

honestly not having a vote has made for a weird d1.

[Nahdia]

how about we all pledge allegiance to rc

I couldn't quite tell if this was a joke or not. It sounded like it was one of those jokes that he didn't intend to be a jokes but if anyone got suspicious, it was a joke.

it was clearly a joke and holy moly this is some scummy analysis lol

[Nahdia]

ok but if u lynch any town the deal is off.

[Nahdia]

how about we all pledge allegiance to rc

I couldn't quite tell if this was a joke or not. It sounded like it was one of those jokes that he didn't intend to be a jokes but if anyone got suspicious, it was a joke.

it was clearly a joke and holy moly this is some scummy analysis lol

Are you expecting gold on the beginning of day one or are you going to do something useful?

I was serious. It was a very scummy line.

[Nahdia]

idrk what ur trying to do with that post but it certainly isn't telling me where the town thought process in that line is LOL

[Nahdia]

Nahdia can verify that I have for a long time had a developed towncase on her as well as a scumcase on you. I'm just keeping stuff to myself to watch the gamestate develop.

it's a thing. not that i know if it's genuine but it exists anyway

[Nahdia]

fwiw Maestro hasn't really said much (see: anything) about the case in the PT but i can't really speak to whether he's read it or not.

[Nahdia]

jesus christ dude

[Nahdia]

For Clumsy I can't tell if he's saying offputting shit because he's scum or because he's new

What have I said that's been off-putting? I can try to address them and answer questions for you. I actually feel pretty guilty about this game and others, because I feel like dead weight. I'm in a game with so much more experienced players as my (simultaneous with others) third game. I feel like I'm in the middle of a semester of advanced calculus, and I only know basic algebra. ._.



I went back through and read through Kuroi's more recent posts, and it's starting to bug me. It feels like there's just -nothing there-. I know they are on V/LA right now, but even when they are here, it's like they're just popping in with filler. Speaking of filler, there's been a lot of it between BRO and RC a few pages back as well.

Fucking vote me if you shits have any reason to do so.
I'm annoyed at this, but only because I'm drunk.

This seems way over the top. It strikes me as a particularly bad reaction to being called a scum lean.

He knows damn well you can't quote PTs. I have never seen a game where you can. I dislike the posturing here.

It's not posturing, and I know normal site rules, dude. How many games of yours have I

modded

? not posturing at all, I'm asking to triple-duple-check

I absolutely hate this post. I have never seen a game on this site where you could quote your PMs. There may have been one, but it is by FAR the exception than the rule AFIAK. It's also up in the rules on this game. Why the hell would he ask this, especially if he's a mod himself? He knew the answer already.

I live on the edge baby
But seriously if theres at least one town member in the hood currently then this is a good move, i am almost sure of it

And if one of them is Scum, what then? This is probably stupid on your part, without even knowing what it is you're thinking of doing or saying.

I agree with this actually. Why does it have to be in the neighborhood? If it needed to be private to town, I would understand. But only one town member makes this a good move? Even if there is scum in there? Then what's different about saying it publicly? I can only think of one explanation for it really, and if that is the explanation, then I completely get it. But I'm not sure if that is what I think it is.

That said, Maestro is my strongest scumread right now.
VOTE: Maestro

I'm down with the Clumsy vote. this doesn't feel like the Clumsy I before. as i recall, town!Clumsy was pretty unsure and had a lot of thoughts bouncing back and forth which was obvious him trying to solve the game. this game he looks more like he's trying to find an acceptable push. i don't buy the confidence he has in the Maestro read really.

[Nahdia]

Clumsy I played with*

[Nahdia]

clumsy is town back off nahdia

y tho

[Nahdia]

@Nahdia:

You seem reluctant to vote either way which I can appreciate but you gotta have some stances

I guess I need to follow my instincts more
I was actually considering your team earlier than I let on, all the way back to when I did the reaction test about Drixx being scum. I didn't push it though because no one else thought so and I thought I was being dumb. I need to be more sure of myself.

...as i recall, town!Clumsy was pretty unsure and had a lot of thoughts bouncing back and forth which was obvious him trying to solve the game. this game he looks more like he's trying to find an acceptable push.

i don't buy the confidence he has in the Maestro read really.

What do you want from me?!

But seriously though, I messed up last game because I was too indecisive. I'm trying to be more confident and assertive, and I'm getting scumread for it. >_<

I mean I guess it's possible your game developed a bit but I'm not sure I believe your game developed that much since Newbie 1686! it seems like a big jump. meta is unreliable so I'm trying to look outside that but... meh. I don't think I wanna lynch Maestro today; who else do you scumread?

[Nahdia]

{RadiantCowbells}
{hiplop}
{Clumsy}
{Gammagooey}
{Nahdia}

One.

seriously ranger pleding post 1 got me at the bottom of the scumlist? c'mon, i'm so town it hurts.

[Nahdia]

so whenever you post reads do you just scumread anyone who responds to any of them?

don't worry. im town, ranger. and i know you'll have to realize im town within the next game day or so.

[Nahdia]

Pledge to RC

I got something to say to the hood and its importante

Can this be resolved please

what kind of resolution are you looking for? I can confirm EP had a reason for his pledge which is arguably legitimate (personally I buy it). Beyond that I probably shouldn't say..?

[Nahdia]

Hoods are cool and add an interesting dimension to the game.

And uh, im not sure what you're assuming? If you townread mr though then hopefully you can take my word for it. It wasn't just some dumb yolo move, it was thought out.

[Nahdia]

@spiff

Well the fact that we don't have a vote makes interaction kinda difficult.

And I'm not really assuming everyone in the pt is town?? But I'm not assuming there's a scum in there either

[Nahdia]

There's not much to be in on. Maestro is just as inactive in this thread as he is the PT, moreso even. EP said some stuff and I've asked him some stuff and he hasn't followed up yet. RC uses the PT to discuss their cases as they are and I critiqued them a bit.

[Nahdia]

lynching me is hard.

[Nahdia]

.............

[Nahdia]

:\

[Nahdia]

ANNOUNCEMENT

Do not quote private communication.

This is a final, universal warning. I am only not modkilling here because 1) the existence of

RadiantCowbells

' ability General and neighborhood is already public knowledge, and 2) right or wrong, I feel this game has had enough. Take it up with me afterward if you disagree, but for the overall health of this game I am choosing to be lenient in this instance.

RadiantCowbells

is being replaced. His request may not be withdrawn.

THANK YOU. It's fucking annoying how emotional he gets about being replaced, then he dries the tears well enough to want to play. Then as soon as someone wets his face a little bit more, he wants to leave again.

It's like playing with my ex girlfriend, except he won't suck my-
Wait. it's

exactly

like my ex girlfriend.

dude he asked to be replaced because he realized he screwed up and broke the rule

[Nahdia]

What

[Nahdia]

Clumsy stop this

[Nahdia]

Didn't I? Well uh....

Idk. Kuroi scum maybe? Tbh I'm really lost all of a sudden.

[Nahdia]

EP is town.

[Nahdia]

Which means Ranger is town.

[Nahdia]

Ranger is still alive because I told RC no.

[Nahdia]

since the claim got outed anyway; that's what i was referring to 539 when i said ranger will "have to realize im town"

[Nahdia]

i think what was meant is that Lovers are generally town except for in setups which specifically use mafia lovers. Lover is a strong negative utility and it's rare mafia are penalized to that extent.

[Nahdia]

Riiiight... because she totally didn't think any of us were capable of looking up the role on the Wiki...

[Nahdia]

Not necessarily that we couldn't, but more of if we were going to simply take her at her word. I appreciate you defending her, but at best, her words were misspoken to the point of negligence.

OK, well, I'm trying not to do that thing I do where I always answer stuff for other people but like, man. Even if Ranger does end up being scum, I think this point is bad and wrong and shouldn't be something anyone puts any stock in whatsoever lol

[Nahdia]

Does anyone know if Clumsy has played as scum before?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=64996

[Nahdia]

i honestly think kurio is the best lynch here. his pushes look sloppy to me, like he knows the people he's pushing are town and he's not holding back at all because of it. there's very little paranoia i've seen from him. seems to be looking for whatever he can push.

[Nahdia]

Actually I'm looking through Aristo's ISO and there's a few things here and there which kinda ping me. Thoughts that feel a bit unnatural or like a stretch. I'd prefer Kuroi but I wouldn't hate an Aristo lynch either. besides that im kinda blind. Gamma I've barely noticed but I thought Kuroi's push on him was particularly poor so by association i kinda wanna say he's town, not that bussing can't exist it just seemed like Kuroi really did wanna lynch that slot.

[Nahdia]

Actually I'm looking through Aristo's ISO and there's a few things here and there which kinda ping me. Thoughts that feel a bit unnatural or like a stretch. I'd prefer Kuroi but I wouldn't hate an Aristo lynch either. besides that im kinda blind. Gamma I've barely noticed but I thought Kuroi's push on him was particularly poor so by association i kinda wanna say he's town, not that bussing can't exist it just seemed like Kuroi really did wanna lynch that slot.

this is a horrible, scummy post.

sorry you think so, because I'm very very much a town slot.

p-edit: Wow. Fence-sitting

FROM A PERSON WHO ISN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO VOTE??

[Nahdia]

LMFAO DID YOU GUYS FORGET I CAN'T VOTE OR SOMETHING???

[Nahdia]

I'm reading Gamma's ISO and I really don't see why this guy is such a universal scumread.

seems like a deadline push to get things to settle on kuroi who at this point is likely town.

ye trolliecan join us tomorrow

I disagree completely that he's likely town. He's likely scum IMHO.

[Nahdia]

Jesus christ.

If this guy flips town please please please let us lynch Kuroi tomorrow.

[Nahdia]

Jesus christ.

If this guy flips town please please please let us lynch Kuroi tomorrow.

Because Gamma's possible town flip means I'm scum? Give me a fucking break, and use some logic.

Yes.

I already stated earlier your push on him was terrible and felt really scummy like you were scum knowing you were pushing town. If this does flip town I'm going to be even more sure I was right on that.

[Nahdia]

Gladiate: KuroiXHF

[Nahdia]

I can confirm that no gladiator ability is in effect.

dat lol

[Nahdia]

say things about what

my read on Kuroi has not changed???

VOTE: Kuroi

[Nahdia]

duppin said nothing useless over the night. he basically was like "Well u shoulda told me not to lynch them >_>" and that was all AND NOW HE'S DEAD

[Nahdia]

Nahdia there are two more scum

Who are they

Kuroi and some1 else

based on play in the hood, i don't think it's Maestro. or ranger/EP for that matter. and assuming no 3rd party, 2 scum left probably means not hiplop/clumsy with w/e weird role they have? and uhhh... idk what else.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia you can do better than that

the fuck do u want from me lol

[Nahdia]

Clumsy do you know Kuroi is town?????????????

[Nahdia]

calling Ranger/EP and hippy/Clumsy all town is lazy af

if there's scum in any of those it's probably in hiplop/Clumsy and I wanna say it's Clumsy bc I was scumreading him early game but lately he's seemed maybe a bit better idk?

This is true. But why do you town read him?

I can't disclose that. The best I can say is I'm fairly sure he's town and he knows I'm town.

I believe the "him" and the "he" are referring to me. I'm willing to believe KuroTown for now.

. . . .uhg. i wish you had said more in the hood -_-'

[Nahdia]

or maybe i wish i had asked more. i keep ending shooting ymself in the foot by not being proactive and being angry about it later

[Nahdia]

jesus christ guys i always fake gladiate

[Nahdia]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7748818
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7815424

[Nahdia]

ppl i feel like r town:
spiffeh, ErrantParabola, Ranger, Maestro(??)

ppl idrk:
hiplop, clumsy, Aristo

ppl who r scummy:
Kuroi

Maestro why the frick is Kuroi town >_>

[Nahdia]

...................ARISTO WHT THE HECK

[Nahdia]

i hate mafia so much gdi

[Nahdia]

Two town defended two mafia who were caught early. bleh.

Ranger's PT shows we had Clumsy and BRO very quick :\\\

gg guys. i guess. kinda.

[Nahdia]

Kuroi was a mistake although Maestro not really telling us why he knew Kuroi was town kinda hurt us.

my role was literally completely useless lmao

[Nahdia]

only way my role can be effective is if there's mafia PR's which target and don't kill their targets. there were none. -___-'

[Nahdia]

i can understand why hiplop would think Clumsy was town there based on the roles.

[Nahdia]

it was a fun game. the General mechanic was cool imo. we might have been better off massclaiming day 1 though, we were so clueless here.

sorry Kuroi, I totally messed up on you. with my first two scumreads being seemingly confirmed town though I was pretty much at a loss for who was scum. Aristo escaped my notice well, I spose.

[Nahdia]

um. so.

i hate to make myself look stupid but.

why was that endgame? it was 4 town left, 3 scum left. shouldn't that be lylo?

[Nahdia]

i mean, if we had lynched the lover first then yeah, nightkill woulda sealed it.

but if we had saved Ranger for last, town still could of have won this?

[Nahdia]

Ranger could vote any townie and basically ensure autowin.

well we probably would have lynched Aristo today, and if Ranger tried to avoid that they'd be scumtelling like crazy...

and hiplop knew Clumsy was scum bc Clumsy refused to kill Aristo so...?

[Nahdia]

i mean scum was in a good position but i think we might of still had a chance >_> unless im missing something here

[Nahdia]

A long shot but based on that hammer, I think we would have lynched Aristo and then Clumsy due to Clumsy's refusal to kill the quickhammerer.

And then based on the fact scum would obviously never kill the lovers, we would know there had to be a scum in the lovers.

And quite frankly, I think we woulda voted the slot Ranger got from BRO over EP. I would have anyway.

[Nahdia]

i mean i know this is all from the perspective of someone who now sees all the role PM's but

i think we had a decent shot at this still :\

[Nahdia]

my article was serial killer bait and i got coroner lol

[Nahdia]

I think everyone in this game is cool and I'm going back to my alcohol now.

[Nahdia]

why am i fighting who

[Nahdia]

KTS would you like to join my RadiantCowbells fanclub?

we have a secret handshake.

[Nahdia]

GG Ranger.

Admit it, you've done worse to me. <3

But yeah.

We really didn't earn this win.

I didn't technically

lose

this game though!

I'm more annoyed because everyone totally forgot everything I'd said when I was gone =\

I didn't forget. It's just that EP was pushing that Ranger was confirmed town to them, and hiplop was pushing that Clumsy was confirmed town to them. I trusted them :\

[Nahdia]

It's whatever, he was confident. I lie to other townies sometimes too when I don't want to be questioned on something I'm freaking sure of.

[Nahdia]

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