[MINI 1778] BuzzFeed UPick Mafia DUPPIN'S QUARTERS (D1-N1)

[Nahdia]

hello radiantcowballs ^_~

[Nahdia]

...Corrin from the New Fire Emblem as a buzzfeed article? o_O

I too am town. i tried picking an article that was blatant SK/scum bait but marquis trolled me and gave me town :I

oh & bc im a dork sry lol.

[Nahdia]

oh actually yeah i guess i got a flavor title that's related to my article too

i dunno if i should claim tho. tempting.

[Nahdia]

well i just meant flavorclaim but still yeah, this being day 1 the risk for jumping into this PT is low for anyone. i just figured neighborhoods are a good way to read people and my day1 reads/votes are absolute garbage anyway so why the heck not?

[Nahdia]

well yeah i mean i am your biggest fan

i mean, i probably would have done it to anyone i have a reasonable amount of faith in that they're competent. like, if was some nobody or lynchbait or w/e I'd probably have passed on that lmao.

[Nahdia]

i mean, you're asking me to affirm your perception of my scumplay? what am i supposed to say: "yes ur right and therefore i am town! " ? i like to think my scumgame is better than my towngame but as scum here it's hard for me to say whether I'd enter cautiously like I am now or decide to overcompensate in the other direction like you suggested.

these are probably the sorts of posts you should be making in the game thread if you want to spark discussion. you don't need to sell me on my being town, i promise i believe it ^_~

[Nahdia]

do you usually have such complex reasons for such early townreads? kiiiiiind of seems like you might be overjustifying. just a bit

thank you for the townread though <3 pls use my vote well

not sure you know the answer; but tomorrow do you get a fresh PT? as in, people can't see what was said in this one if they pledge tomorrow?

[Nahdia]

fair enough i guess. i just feel like again and again people who refute their own meta as soon as it's brought up and say "oh im changing how i play this time" end up just being scum making excuses. i do it too. we'll see tho.

totes jealous of your role tbh.

[Nahdia]

i find meta in general is unreliable (for me at least, and i think for most people who try to use it) especially if you didn't experience it first hand. someone being defensive about their meta is a tell tho. and that's kinda what u just did. just a bit. it was a bit scummy but i forgive u bc i am ur biggest fan ;3

ok well if ur gonna be super invested in this game i promise to give it my all too. fair warning tho my towngame kind of sucks lmfao.

[Nahdia]

hehehehhe

[Nahdia]

oh man this is gonna be fun~

[Nahdia]

what are you doing o.O

teasing you ^_*

You are officially scaring me as of now.

good

And I didn't like #23 :\

would it make you feel better if i posted it again but in a pretty color this time?

[Nahdia]

I was being flippant. It's still a wee little scumtell but I'm certainty not about to deathtunnel you over it, especially considering you control my vote.

Tonally you read as town but your reputation precedes you ^_~

[Nahdia]

Don't look at me, I'm a noob. I think the only person here I've finished a game with is Clumsy (he was town).

[Nahdia]

It does definitely look a bit forced but on the other hand his thought process kind of reflects mine except I decided to just take the plunge. The fact that he's townreading me for it makes it feel genuine leaning to me.

[Nahdia]

The more people in here, the less we can trust each other. Personally I'd prefer to keep it small, but maybe that's selfish.

[Nahdia]

oh shit we're getting company

[Nahdia]

Welcome, friend.

[Nahdia]

we could discuss whether or not this is the Trollie from that game, but I don't think it is so far.

you have this read from one, 3 line post?

[Nahdia]

What are your thoughts on Clumsy and Broseidon?

Kinda spoke to this in the public thread. Clumsy I felt was awkward in that one post where I said he implied you were town, but from my experience with him "awkward" isn't completely out of the ordinary.

BROseidon I said I liked. I think this was just because I liked kuribo so I approved of BRO's approval of kuribo. I didn't think much of his vote on Maestro. sure it could have been opportunism but this early I think he's smart enough to know someone might see it as that if he' scum, and I honestly think it's just as likely that he is just trying to exert pressure and make something happen.

So yeah, two very waffley, "Idk lol" answers for you. but that's my thoughts so far :S like I said my day 1's tend to be crap~

[Nahdia]

Are you just trying to get a rise out of BRO so you can read him better or do you legit scumread him to that extent?

[Nahdia]

Sorry for v slow replies, at work.

[Nahdia]

still liking kuribo. i think his making a show of whether he should pledge or not doesn't come from a scum perspective. scum might dance around it but making that big show and drawing so much attention early feels like town to me.

this is cold meta so i know it's like, super hypocritical of me but awhile back when i first joined the site I read League of Legends mafia and this hiplop feels like the hiplop from that game. you were in that game so maybe you have a better perspective on that :p obviously it's a bit early to be making calls like that and meta is frequently a cause for misinterpretation for me but that's where im at.

no clue on spiffeh. nothing about him has struck me. 171 was one of those posts i feel is generally scummy but when a good player makes them (is spiffeh considered good? i think of him as good) i tend to think they're town purely because i'd expect them to avoid saying something like that (shooting down early townreads) as scum. if that makes any sense.

im actually not sure on Maestro. i put a lot of pressure on him because i tend to be really aggressive especially when i know im town and people are speaking to the contrary. the biggest weakness in my play though is my tendency to OMGUS way too often and be easily pocketed, that's how i lost Legend of Zelda mafia :\. i like starting fights early on because that's how things tend to happen but i tend to be way too unwilling to accept anyone can't recognize i'm town when i'm town lol >_>
anyway uh kind of got rambly talking about myself but yeah idk on Maestro.

why are you asking for my reads if you're fairly sure im town? you need reassurance or..?

[Nahdia]

to be totally honest, i sort of took you for the type to not care much for others' reads~ i mean, i did tell you my day 1's suck anyway, and you seem plenty confident in yourself. it just surprises me to know you want me input.

[Nahdia]

well sorry if you feel i misjudged you. i don't think my opinion is worth much this early on, hence partly why i gave you my vote.

[Nahdia]

hot.

[Nahdia]

I do scumread him to that extent. I'll walk you through it in a minute.

[Nahdia]

should i kiss your boots and call you master too, while im at it?

[Nahdia]

aww no fun.

please

provide said walkthrough of BROseiden read, if you would be so kind

[Nahdia]

thank u. i will bounce ideas off tomorrow. for now tho:

[Nahdia]

im a rebel

[Nahdia]

2) Not looking for scum intent.

Why do you dislike RC's post and like kuribo's? I'm inclined to like them both (both making a good point), and they both have PRs that are ~probably~ town PRs.

Way too quick to write me off as town.
This will be especially important when I can follow up on it more later.

He crumbed it to me and it's probably town.

Because it's a really, really fucking dumb PR when it's scum.

Way too quick to assume that shit is town.

I agree but early setup spec is a pretty tempting prospect. i had the same thought about ur PR being a "towny" role tho on further thought i could also see it being like, a really loud third party? idk. guessing the mod is a bad idea but i dont see it as too scummy. it can be tempting to look for loopholes like that.

Gamma I don't think you understand how I play.

Assuming lack of understanding over scum intent immediately.

this is a decent point. and it kind of goes back to what i was poking you at for earlier; being defensive about ones own meta.

No explanation for the Maestro scumread, for the record, he just jumps right on.

I want to talk to RC about the Maestro/Nahdia stuff b/c his reaction to it was like "naw it's fine" even though there's some stuff there that clearly indicates that *something* is up.

Like what the fuck?
I AM THE ONE IN HERE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON.
I AM THE ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SAID TO EACH OTHER.

This feels so fucking scum intent trying to get traction on a wagon so he can get Maestro lynched and NK me.
I really don't like this.

ehh you kind of lost me at those last couple lines, that feels kind of a logical leap? i think his vote on Maestro could have easily just been hopping on a bandwagon for the sake of pressure. as town i tend to do that; if i see someone scumtelling a bit i just jump on their wagon if there's one already forming so the pressure on them to drop tells will be that much greater. would have been nice if he explained but that's kind of null to me.

Like, you're calling it "manipulating the gamestate," I call it "doing things."

This is so not how town would answer this.
Like, this is basically agreeing that he's manipulating the gamestate but spinning it.

not how town!RC would answer it anyway. but then i guess you've played with BRO a few times so you have meta on him? i just try to be wary of "personality tells" if that makes sense. i personally don't see much of use in the way he answered that, quoting that just feels like you're going a bit hard on the conf bias. which i mean is fine for when you're making a case, that's why i'm here to filter for you ^_^

Everyone should consider a pledge to RC a vote for me at this point b/c RC's a dick.

And this is a holy grail of bad.

What is he making a point about? That town players shouldn't pledge me because I'll vote Broseidon?
Why isn't he saying anything about, say, scum pledging me to get that lynch through to defend Maestro?
Like this feels incredibly like someone who is talking to town and knows that they are talking to town.

yeah that last quote was really defensive and bad i agree. probably the scummiest line he's dropped. i guess i can see BRO as potentially scum here. again i kind of feel like you're reaching a bit with statements like "this feels incredibly like someone who is talking to town and knows that they are talking to town" but maybe that's just me failing to grasp ur superior logikz. i didn't really get the feeling he knew he was talking to town, i just got the feeling he was frustrated with your read on him. there's a fine line between how deathtunneled town acts and deathtunneled scum acts and i think bro leans a bit towards the latter. town tends to be more incredulous and insulted, scum on the other hand just gets angry and frustrated.

[Nahdia]

I don't doubt it, I'd just warn that confbias can be strong and you should view BROs posts with an open mind. I don't object to you voting him though. After all, in the end I am just an unworthy vote slave ;p

[Nahdia]

His future posts that is. If he's posturing then it leads to something.

[Nahdia]

Your current conclusions are fine :p I just tiny indications of going a bit overboard so I'm saying going forward whenever he posts look for the potential town motivation as well as scum motivation. This is all stuff you already know I'm sure, I'm just trying to be helpful and assist in you forming reads as best I can since you own my vote :c

I mean alternatively you could be scum and this could be an exercise in futility but I'm being optimistic!!!

[Nahdia]

I don't have a case for town!bro but maybe I'll keep my eye out if you want me to play devil's advocate.

Anyway yeah Clumsy is awkward. This doesn't seem like the Clumsy I played with in my newbie game. Maybe his play has developed but he seems more eager to question people and less like he's just sitting back and getting a feel for the situation. Possibly because he feels pressured to look like he's participating.

[Nahdia]

If there's no followup from the questions he asks then yeah he's a good scumread.

[Nahdia]

O-ok?

Where'd our pal Maestro go? :[

[Nahdia]

Oh. I didn't check the public thread first. Wonder what's up

[Nahdia]

Inb4 dayvigged

[Nahdia]

I promise.

[Nahdia]

:/

Well at least I was right on that read

[Nahdia]

Oh right. Well done, Sir!!!

[Nahdia]

welcome back Maestro! missed you ^_~

[Nahdia]

i don't disagree it's just one of those things where im like "is it really so easy?"

[Nahdia]

Unvote him, I buy it. we can lynch elsewhere for now. I don't see EP sticking his neck out like this for his scumbuddy tbh. it's possible but we can try that later.

[Nahdia]

lynching BRO is more of a risk than we need to take today. if we need to lynch one of them down the line we can and we may confirm the other as scum but for now this seems foolish to not listen.

[Nahdia]

errant what sorts of things have you discussed in your PT with BRO? details pls

[Nahdia]

oh god i just saw you're repalcing out... pls don't ._.

[Nahdia]

unless Ranger's entrance was pre-planned, Ranger's behavior about Errant's slot really strongly backs up the claim we've been given. I really do think this is legit, dude. I mean, it's possible they're mafia lovers??? but it just fits. I still think we definitely don't lynch that slot today, unfortunately.

[Nahdia]

I thought you said you were masons? And what's the informed modifier about?

[Nahdia]

Ok so Clumsy and hiplop are softing being in a hood with each other and being pretty confident it's a town hood. Possibly ANOTHER mason pair?

@Maestro are you trying to target scum or town?

[Nahdia]

I doubt a Clumsy/hiplop "hood" would be a Mason pair.

Well they're clearly townreading each other.

Off the top of my head Kuroi is kinda a scumread but I'll get back to you on that @Duppin

[Nahdia]

I'd like a Kuroi lynch, I don't like their push on Gamma. Feels really off to me, like they know they're pushing town so they're not holding back at all.

[Nahdia]

Siiiigh...

[Nahdia]

What am I sighing about we haven't even seen the flip....

I really think this is gonna be town though :\

[Nahdia]

I miss RC

Talk to you about you? Uhhh... if your role is investigative, I personally would target Aristo. They're kinda leaning scum just a bit regardless of how Gamma ends up flipping.

[Nahdia]

Man why do you show up as soon as the day ends >_> I coulda used backup there! Not that I know if your reads are in line with mine at all but uuuuuuuuuuuuhhhggggg I'm just really flustered >_<

[Nahdia]

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR I KNEW IT.

[Nahdia]

DAMMIT DUPPIN WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST LISTEN TO ME -___-'

[Nahdia]

I'm gladiating Kuroi tomorrow.

[Nahdia]

Uhhggg I know I'm more mad at myself than anything for not sticking up for myself more. I was ISO'ing Gamma and by the time I finished up and had an opinion it p much too late

I agree Aristo is suspicious. I said so in the game thread but there's weird stuff in his ISO that just feels off, like for example his reaction to Maestro and I fighting

[Nahdia]

Still really think Kuroi needs to burn though.