New York 195: Adventure Mafia - Game over!

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: MoI
bastard

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Ircher

why?

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Ircher

why?

Its RVS.

Why are you already defending him?

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Ircher
Nice, I can already tell you are more sure of yourself compared to when we played the first time.

@dr
Increased likelyhood of getting a read compared to another random, but since Ircher's been playing a lot that's not necessarily true anymore.

And the cooper ircher buddying continues!
VOTE: ircher
I'm almost sure of this now.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Lol.

Laugh all you want, if he flips scum you're next.

Kill: Ircher

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Ircher
Nice, I can already tell you are more sure of yourself compared to when we played the first time.

@dr
Increased likelyhood of getting a read compared to another random, but since Ircher's been playing a lot that's not necessarily true anymore.

And the cooper ircher buddying continues!
VOTE: ircher
I'm almost sure of this now.

What happen to general chat?

But, if you find that scummy then:

VOTE: Shotty
For being opportunistic in play and deciding that general chit-chat is scum-indicative when it clearly isnt.

This is the worst OMGUS I've ever seen. Also you're already dead.

@Zakk

Well I can't give you four, but at this rate I will be able to be page 3

[drmyshottyizsik]

Thats 2 scum found: Zakk/Shotty.

Who's next?

Why zakk? Also how is it opportune for me to have claimed to have caught one scum, but not for you to have found and push two?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Laugh all you want, if he flips scum you're next.

Kill: Ircher

If you caught Ircher scum on page 1 I'll be happy to go next.

I'll remember this.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Cuz your reasoning is way off. Apparently, general chit-chat is a scumtell.

On the other hand, Zakk is sheeping your poor logic without contributing any of his own. It looks like the two of you are teammates.

Nah, this would be way to obvious. It's also not general cat chat, that tends to happen in here

[drmyshottyizsik]

Cuz your reasoning is way off. Apparently, general chit-chat is a scumtell.

On the other hand, Zakk is sheeping your poor logic without contributing any of his own. It looks like the two of you are teammates.

Nah, this would be way to obvious. It's also not general cat chat, that tends to happen in here

Doesn't change the fact your being opportunistic.

Zakk MIGHT be town, but chances of Shotty town right now is 0.5% for me.

It's very concerning that you find scum hunting to be a scumtell, oh wait you are just scared scum, that's right.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Have you ever played with Shotty before?

Nope, never. How likely do you think he is consciously faking his own meta?

I'm telling you ircher is dead.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Cuz your reasoning is way off. Apparently, general chit-chat is a scumtell.

On the other hand, Zakk is sheeping your poor logic without contributing any of his own. It looks like the two of you are teammates.

Nah, this would be way to obvious. It's also not general cat chat, that tends to happen in here

Doesn't change the fact your being opportunistic.

Zakk MIGHT be town, but chances of Shotty town right now is 0.5% for me.

It's very concerning that you find scum hunting to be a scumtell, oh wait you are just scared scum, that's right.

Scumreading people for banter is NOT scumhunting.

Mini 1763 - Yes, some of them were scum. But some of them were town. That was the (awful) game where everyone basically stopped caring. the

Am I supposed to see mini 1763 and know that game? What are you talking about?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Go read it. Point being is that general banter is not alignment indicative just as activity isn't.

Oh activity is, trust me. Also why are you so jolted if it doesn't matter? Town shouldn't get this excited, well I guess I did just kill you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@zakk

– Hey answer my question …

Nope, never. How likely do you think he is consciously faking his own meta?

You aren’t zakk … but anyway ..

My current opinion is – not very. If you know what to look for I think he’s able to be read fairly successfully via meta. He's never got me to divulge what those keys are so I'm not too worried about him tainting his own play.

And lol-fake-daykills are not one of the keys and is pretty alignment irrelevant to Shotty.

I'm harder to read than... well something hard to read.

[drmyshottyizsik]

HURT WITH A BLADE: Shotty

Well, I'm glad I did it first.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm harder to read than... well something hard to read.

No, you aren't. You know you aren't so stop puffing out your chest like Big Bad Leroy Brown.

This won't help me here, but I will defend my meta here. I think my scum win rate is now like 70-80%.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm harder to read than... well something hard to read.

No, you aren't. You know you aren't so stop puffing out your chest like Big Bad Leroy Brown.

You know who is though? RC.

Pedit: And how often you draw scum?

I have a wiki

[drmyshottyizsik]

You are pretty crappy then.

I'm crappy for being good at being scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm harder to read than... well something hard to read.

No, you aren't. You know you aren't so stop puffing out your chest like Big Bad Leroy Brown.

You know who is though? RC.

Pedit: And how often you draw scum?

I have a wiki

You draw scum 20% of the time.

All the more likely you are scum.

You really don't get statistics do you. If I flip a coin 100 times and all 100 times it lands on heads, what is the chance that the next time I flip the coin it will be heads?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Whatever, theoretical != practical probability. Some people are lucky, others arent.

This has to be one of the stupidest answer you could have given.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Besides, the probabilities are weighted.

Sigh... fine I'll bite, how?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Cuz there is a higher chance of rolling town then scum, duh!

But, next topic.

No I want to understand your reasoning here. I'm scum, because 20% of the time I get scum, when in an average 9p game there are 2 scum. So since 20% > 2/9 I am scum? I just don't get it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Next topic.

You're dead so there is really nothing to get out of this, I want to know your reasoning. Don't throw shit out if you can't back it up. Again this is why I shot you. You are acting like scum faking your way through.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Out of 65 games, you've been scum 18 times: 27.6%.

In 9p, yes, its 22% chance of scum.
In 13p, its 23%.

Your score, 27.6% is quite a bit on the high end. So, yes, experimentally, you are more often scum than normal.

Forget how to spell town? What do you mean by normal?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Normal --> 23% chance of scum. You: 28% chance of scum. 28 > 23 by 5 points.

Than the normal person ok, not normal rather than scum gotcha. So are you really going to keep you vote there for bad stats?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Only 5/21 players have posted so far and we're already on page 3, almost page 4...

Unvote

I'll be back when there's something worth reading...

Why announce this? This seems off.

[drmyshottyizsik]

My vote was never based on statistics. Stop misrepping.

Cuz there is a higher chance of rolling town then scum, duh!

But, next topic.

I'm harder to read than... well something hard to read.

No, you aren't. You know you aren't so stop puffing out your chest like Big Bad Leroy Brown.

You know who is though? RC.

Pedit: And how often you draw scum?

I have a wiki

You draw scum 20% of the time.

All the more likely you are scum.

Whatever, theoretical != practical probability. Some people are lucky, others arent.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Oh didn't see that yet

Well at least RVS is over

and only 30 percent have posted

[drmyshottyizsik]

Drmy, what were you referncing with your first post?

MoI can be a real dick, and also very good at mafia.

Ok, all 6 of you who are voting me:

Make me a detailed case not only pointing out what is scummy but also explaining in detail why its scummy. What Egg has done is not by any means close to what I'm asking for.

Pedit: Except, general chit-chat and answering questions isnt scummy. Thats a fact.

No, this even further proves my point. You are flailing so hard already.

Actually, yeah, considering the whole "drmy is scum more than normal" thing, mentioning only having two scum games looks pretty bad too.

exactly, I metad him and he has only played as town,but in none of those games does he talk about it like this. That coupled with his stats thing looks aweful.



Also quick thoughts,

Scum team: Titus, Ircher, Copper
3rd party: Zakk

[drmyshottyizsik]

If I am scum that would be a serious problem, accidentaly lynching your own teammates or the sk, effectively reducing the kills per night in a large game will lead to your demise

This really reads as a SK claim.

VOTE: Seth

@Shotty
You decided to fherrypick meta ne? Thats not how meta works.

It's alright, it will all be over soon, trust me you're dead. You may take a few pages to bleed out though.

[drmyshottyizsik]

hallo!

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik
^confscum.

Explain?

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

Oh you...

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

Oh you...

...sob? ...mf?

You're not busing Ircher hard, are you?

I never play larges. What are the typical ratios?

BUSSED SO HARD!

[drmyshottyizsik]

BUSSED SO HARD!

That should be your tag line. Want me to petition the title fairy?

I would love you too, it would be great. Awesome job in that game by the way.
Also, back to this game. Why am I scum?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I would love you too, it would be great. Awesome job in that game by the way.
Also, back to this game. Why am I scum?

ETL, if she's town, has good reads in my limited experience with her, so partial sheep, partial RVS (when I replace in I allow myself an RVS vote even though RVS is over).

Fair enough, but trust me on this Ircher is scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

Fair enough, but trust me on this Ircher is scum

Why...I find it hard to believe you found scum so early.

He is very easy to read. Look at how he treats Copper and Titus and the way he reacts to everyone else. He have never been real scum before and is flailing not knowing what to do.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Shotty, Nah, the wagon on him is crap. I recognize my own prior flails in him. It's similar to Dwlee in Borderlands.

Why Zakk third party? Why hunting for them?

@Ircher, What you saw isn't a legit 3p claim. I saw it too but Seth likes baiting and drama.

Copper and Brawlguy are much better lynches.

I'm not hunting he is just acting like a 3rd party. Aggressive one second, timid the next.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Shotty,

If anything, your play looks aggressive one moment cautious the next. You're hyper focused on Ircher being scum. You also have Copper and I both as scum. That reads list is ridiculous and puts you in a position to jump on Ircher/Copper whichever is popular. You also seem to not have a stance on TBG.

It's not an either or with copper/ircher it's an AND. You are tagging along, and I could see you scum whether Icher is or not, but not if Copper and Ircher are town(not happening).

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I'm not hunting he is just acting like a 3rd party.

You see, that's because you are looking for it. The only way for some people to force themselves to look town when scum is to SK-hunt.

My read on shotty is actually based on a tell I believe I found while doing pre-game research. I found a town game and a scum game and I read ISOs of both looking for differences in tone/attitude/tendencies. If anyone is interested, I suggest you do the same and come to your own conclusions, as I would rather not taint impressions if you can figure it out yourself, plus #effort.
shotty's most recent completed scum game that i looked at
Another scum game i checked out to test my theory on the tell. it applied.
shotty's most recent completed town game.
another town game i used to test the tell; it applied. however, this game is kind of old and i wasn't able to find a more recent town game, but i believe it is a valid tell for him.

Persivul is my first town read so far, only because I feel like he'd just be a dick to me if he wasn't.

I have not actually read pages 2-7. Gonna get to that over lunch today. See yall then.

keep in mind those games were probably from 3-5 years ago.
Also I'm not voting copper, nor will I with out a confirm flip on Ircher. If Ircher is town then so is copper. titus is the one I'm actually not sure on.

Also I'm not scum sk hunting, and if I were wouldn't I call the person I'm sk reading mafia not sk?

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keep in mind those games were probably from 3-5 years ago.

only one of them is, but i work with what i got. doesn't make it any less valid, especially if it's something you aren't aware of.

You have a sample size of 1 town game and 2 scum games, plus an out dated game. Read as far into as you want, but if you go down this rabbit hole I want be here to pull you out of it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also for playground mafia I was hooked on heroin and dropped off the site after 26 posts. I don't even remember the game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

keep in mind those games were probably from 3-5 years ago.

only one of them is, but i work with what i got. doesn't make it any less valid, especially if it's something you aren't aware of.

You have a sample size of 1 town game and 2 scum games, plus an out dated game. Read as far into as you want, but if you go down this rabbit hole I want be here to pull you out of it.

Sample size is null. If you're looking for a genuine tell, older games are better. Like for anyone getting to know me as scum, I direct to games like Gundam Seed and Mini UDesign. If you see how a player structures an argument, it is not likely to change much.

Sample size is null? ok

[drmyshottyizsik]

keep in mind those games were probably from 3-5 years ago.

only one of them is, but i work with what i got. doesn't make it any less valid, especially if it's something you aren't aware of.

You have a sample size of 1 town game and 2 scum games, plus an out dated game. Read as far into as you want, but if you go down this rabbit hole I want be here to pull you out of it.

Sample size is null. If you're looking for a genuine tell, older games are better. Like for anyone getting to know me as scum, I direct to games like Gundam Seed and Mini UDesign. If you see how a player structures an argument, it is not likely to change much.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
you did something in this game you haven't done in our current game so you must be scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

^ it's not "you did something", it's this is how you presented information in these scum games, and here's the difference in these town games. it's consistent, and that works for me.

Well if you won't say what it is I can't deffend it so, go, run with it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't have enough from TBG yet, and everything I have on ETL is tainted so I'm waiting to give reads on them.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I am just going to be on the biggest of TBG Copper and Shotty. I like all three wagons. Normally that doesn't happen.

I don't really think I have a wagon yet. Maybe a RadioFlyer Wagon

[drmyshottyizsik]

i'm a really gut-based player. i like concrete evidence a lot, but i always begin with gut and figure out why later.

Sp psuedo science instead of science.

[drmyshottyizsik]

a lot of players begin with gut and investigate why they feel the way the feel to lead them to evidence. it works for me, it's how i operate. if you really want to attack my method of scum hunting, go ahead, but it doesn't invalidate it nor will it change how i do things, nor does it actually indicate my alignment in any way whatsoever. so...

This is aweful. Looking for evidence to prove your gut is bad. That is how you tunnel people. It is much more effective to try and prove someone isn't town vs trying prove someone is scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Looking for evidence to prove your gut is bad.

You are either misunderstanding or purposely misrepresenting what I said. I didn't say "prove my gut". I said find out why. That means investigating whether it is valid or

not

.

tbh i dont really care what you think of how i play. it doesn't make a lick of difference here, so i'm just trying to figure out what exactly is the purpose of your criticisms. because it just looks to me like you're going out of your way to discredit my methods in an attempt to prevent people from working with me.

and honestly, that's scummy as fuck.

See this is the problem. Any thing I say you will read as scummy. This is what is wrong with your method. Yes you are right, it would work if you are completely objective, but you aren't. You, like all people want to be right, so your opinions will follow.

[drmyshottyizsik]

why don't you explain your motives here, shotty.

explain it to me.

Nah I think I'll be selfish and keep my reasons to myself.

[drmyshottyizsik]

why don't you explain your motives here, shotty.

explain it to me.

Nah I think I'll be selfish and keep my reasons to myself.

VOTE: Shotty

Yeah, no. Die in a lynch.

i'm just being selfish and wanting to keep it on hand for future games with you. in any case, i dont really have the energy or willingness to put a ton of effort into convincing people.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I was hooked on heroin and dropped off the site after 26 posts.

hitting my goddamn heart strings dude. don't do that.

this is in no way AtE, I want to pity, it's just a fact.

[drmyshottyizsik]

why don't you explain your motives here, shotty.

explain it to me.

Nah I think I'll be selfish and keep my reasons to myself.

VOTE: Shotty

Yeah, no. Die in a lynch.

i'm just being selfish and wanting to keep it on hand for future games with you. in any case, i dont really have the energy or willingness to put a ton of effort into convincing people.

[drmyshottyizsik]

why don't you explain your motives here, shotty.

explain it to me.

Nah I think I'll be selfish and keep my reasons to myself.

VOTE: Shotty

Yeah, no. Die in a lynch.

i'm just being selfish and wanting to keep it on hand for future games with you. in any case, i dont really have the energy or willingness to put a ton of effort into convincing people.

Nah, you see ETL is still laying the groundwork for her thoughts. She's just not forcing it.

You're shutting down and giving half baked answers to questions. You're refusing to form a read on ETL when she's pushing you. That is pretty scummy. Even if you're wrong, you should have an opinion. This whole saying someone is bad and not giving an alignment doesn't work. I want evidence you are scumhunting. I don't see it.

There's plenty to form a guess on TBG. You got nothing.

Copper's posted less and you have a read on him. The Copper/Ircher/Titus scumreads make no sense.

The three of you came out hard defending Copper. That was a mistake.

I was making a joke is my damn point!

I didn't say I couldn't guess at TBG I said I don't have a read, if your reads = guesses just replace out now.

Also you are mad that I'm not OMGUS'ing ETL? What? They very fact that they are pushing me right now is why I don't have a read yet. Like I said before any opinion I have will be tainted.

Also I came out defending copper? where?

VOTE: Ircher

why?

Its RVS.

Why are you already defending him?

This is my third post, if anything I started the attack.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I'm going to throw this out there and let it marinate. See how well it ages.

magna is scum.

Something about his ISO bothers me. He wrote a lot to just agree with two short posts voting for TBG. He's written a lot about a LOT, but somehow not much. Could be this is just the way he is, but he's looking a little "coachy" to me.

Also townvibes from ETL, lessening townvibes from titus.

He is a very thorough usually.

[drmyshottyizsik]

if your reads = guesses just replace out now.

duh titus don't you know that you can't guess at mafia, you have to only say things you know 100% to be true? shotty don't be ridiculous. we are barely scratching the surface of day 1 in a damn large game. wtf you think we all got daycops? i'd be suspicious if someone's reads were overly certain at this point in the game.

but on a srious note, titus, he's right about the copper thing - i was under the impression that he was attacking copper, not defending him?

p-edit i was going to respond in p-edit but i need to read that a couple times first. i'll come back to it. thanks

He's got "copper" as a scumread, but doesn't really attack him. His interactions are all "I'm telling you Ircher's dead" and not pressing on his opinions. Copper's a scumread, but every post seems designed to have Copper look good.

When I cased Copper, Shotty acted like it didn't exist.

Defenses don't have to be direct.

"the case presented by or on behalf of the party being accused"
"the action of defending from or resisting attack."
Nice back pedal, wait no it's not.

[drmyshottyizsik]

if your reads = guesses just replace out now.

duh titus don't you know that you can't guess at mafia, you have to only say things you know 100% to be true? shotty don't be ridiculous. we are barely scratching the surface of day 1 in a damn large game. wtf you think we all got daycops? i'd be suspicious if someone's reads were overly certain at this point in the game.

but on a srious note, titus, he's right about the copper thing - i was under the impression that he was attacking copper, not defending him?

p-edit i was going to respond in p-edit but i need to read that a couple times first. i'll come back to it. thanks

He's got "copper" as a scumread, but doesn't really attack him. His interactions are all "I'm telling you Ircher's dead" and not pressing on his opinions. Copper's a scumread, but every post seems designed to have Copper look good.

When I cased Copper, Shotty acted like it didn't exist.

Defenses don't have to be direct.

"the case presented by or on behalf of the party being accused"
"the action of defending from or resisting attack."
Nice back pedal, wait no it's not.

Huh?

Instead of saying well you're right shotty didn't deffend him, now you are trying to change the definition of deffend, and stop playing simple.
VOTE: Titus

[drmyshottyizsik]

if your reads = guesses just replace out now.

duh titus don't you know that you can't guess at mafia, you have to only say things you know 100% to be true? shotty don't be ridiculous. we are barely scratching the surface of day 1 in a damn large game. wtf you think we all got daycops? i'd be suspicious if someone's reads were overly certain at this point in the game.

but on a srious note, titus, he's right about the copper thing - i was under the impression that he was attacking copper, not defending him?

p-edit i was going to respond in p-edit but i need to read that a couple times first. i'll come back to it. thanks

He's got "copper" as a scumread, but doesn't really attack him. His interactions are all "I'm telling you Ircher's dead" and not pressing on his opinions. Copper's a scumread, but every post seems designed to have Copper look good.

When I cased Copper, Shotty acted like it didn't exist.

Defenses don't have to be direct.

"the case presented by or on behalf of the party being accused"
"the action of defending from or resisting attack."
Nice back pedal, wait no it's not.

Huh?

Instead of saying well you're right shotty didn't deffend him, now you are trying to change the definition of deffend, and stop playing simple.
VOTE: Titus

Yeah, you seriously are playing dense. You can indirectly defend people.

And now that Ircher won't take off and you can't scumread ETL (that's why you have her as bad but not scum), you jump onto me for a stretch tastic reason.

And you still won't give reads and are playing semantics with reads and guesses.

Sigh, I attacked copper, you can twist that how ever you want, but you are lying and awful.
Ircher was taking off, in fact, if anything I may have just killed its momentum. I switch my vote because you, someone I already said I thought was scum, is acting like scum.
Also why do you want me to scum read ETL so bad? Did you have some master plan to mislynch me that requires me to OMGUS him?

[drmyshottyizsik]

also can we just stop embedding everything? this thread is going to be awful.

I'll start spoilering sorry

[drmyshottyizsik]

Titus - i feel like shotty really wants to attack me but knows it will look terrible if he goes too hard. I don't know if that's scum trying not to rock the boat or town being realistic though. I've done that myself as both.

p-edit: no it helps in ISO for continuity.

Just to keep it small,

p-edit well this post will be pointless

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Titus - i feel like shotty really wants to attack me but knows it will look terrible if he goes too hard. I don't know if that's scum trying not to rock the boat or town being realistic though. I've done that myself as both.

p-edit: no it helps in ISO for continuity.

It's not that I'm afraid how it will look, it is that I know I will tunnel you and I want to have an even head if I ever do that.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Titus - i feel like shotty really wants to attack me but knows it will look terrible if he goes too hard. I don't know if that's scum trying not to rock the boat or town being realistic though. I've done that myself as both.

p-edit: no it helps in ISO for continuity.

It's not that I'm afraid how it will look, it is that I know I will tunnel you and I want to have an even head if I ever do that.

Yeah, speaking as the queen of tunnels myself, this looks like shit. You don't avoid sorting people out of fearing you'll tunnel.

Again why the fuck are you pushing so hard for me to attack ETL?

[drmyshottyizsik]

she wants to see my reaction.

By forcing action on my part?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Titus - i feel like shotty really wants to attack me but knows it will look terrible if he goes too hard. I don't know if that's scum trying not to rock the boat or town being realistic though. I've done that myself as both.

p-edit: no it helps in ISO for continuity.

It's not that I'm afraid how it will look, it is that I know I will tunnel you and I want to have an even head if I ever do that.

Yeah, speaking as the queen of tunnels myself, this looks like shit. You don't avoid sorting people out of fearing you'll tunnel.

Again why the fuck are you pushing so hard for me to attack ETL?

Loaded. I'm wanting you to scumhunt. To sort ETL. You don't have to attack to get there.

You aren't tell me to scum hunt, I was doing that. You were saying scum hunt the people I want you to scum hunt otherwise you are scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Titus - i feel like shotty really wants to attack me but knows it will look terrible if he goes too hard. I don't know if that's scum trying not to rock the boat or town being realistic though. I've done that myself as both.

p-edit: no it helps in ISO for continuity.

It's not that I'm afraid how it will look, it is that I know I will tunnel you and I want to have an even head if I ever do that.

Yeah, speaking as the queen of tunnels myself, this looks like shit. You don't avoid sorting people out of fearing you'll tunnel.

Again why the fuck are you pushing so hard for me to attack ETL?

You can say it isn't scum hunting and try and discredit me, but it won't work. Ircher wasn't my RVS vote,
Loaded. I'm wanting you to scumhunt. To sort ETL. You don't have to attack to get there.

You aren't tell me to scum hunt, I was doing that. You were saying scum hunt the people I want you to scum hunt otherwise you are scum.

No. You haven't been. Every conclusion is null minus Copper/Ircher from RVS.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Copper, what is your read on projectmatt? Why don't you think the more serious Ircher votes (drmy and myself mostly) ended RVS as opposed to Titus' vote on you? Why do you think scum are less likely than town to come up with the ".5%" comment? I feel like a lot of scum come off more confident in their reads because the whole point is to present them in a persuasive manner rather than actually be right. I was kind of thinking that when I asked you why Ircher seemed more confident to you. I'm not sure if Ircher would be confident scum or not though so I'm not sure if it's a strong point or a null one. I definitely don't see it as a town tell though so I'm curious to hear your side

I am leaning town on PM.

Shotty's read + fake vig. shot and the wagon that formed around it I found more of an extension of RVS, plus (and this is my bad and I'm actively trying to fix it) I find it hard to take Shotty seriously, Titus announced she was done with RVS which made it clear to all that phase of the game was over which makes it the best closing point for me.

What's persuasive about saying you have a 99.5% scumread on someone at the start of d1? That's optimistic even with a guilty check in an open setup, so realistically and in an unbiased state (which is mostly where you are at as scum) you are not going to say something so dumb, if you are you are doing so with a purpose in mind and this is where you went with your interpretation if I'm reading correctly between the lines, as town however bias can do that to you and I've seen it happen often and that was my initial reaction.

I have to say though I am coming around on scumreading Ircher as well, I did not appreciate his turn around vote on me and the way he decided Seth had to be claiming SK (and did not just screw up as scum) may be a tell that he knows Seth is not part of the scumteam.

I'm telling you Ircher is scum. I don't typically have this strong of reads off the bat(maybe that's the "tell"), but I as certain as can be with out having a confirmed guilty at this point. With this big of a game though I think we need to watch how Ircher act when we take the pressure off of him. I don't like Titus right now and I would like to see a lot of pressure put on him.

[drmyshottyizsik]

why don't you explain your motives here, shotty.

explain it to me.

Nah I think I'll be selfish and keep my reasons to myself.

ok so, i get the joke and all, but this should have been followed up with a real response, and i haven't gotten one, and it's an important question for me. what was the motive behind criticizing my scumhunting methods?

Fair enough. I feel, at least to a degree, I have explain myself. What in particular I'll be happy to expound.

[drmyshottyizsik]

if you explained your motive for criticizing my methods, i missed it.

Well ultimately not to discredit what you've said, but rather present a possibly better approach. I am town reading you, I've reread your iso a couple time and I'm fair certain you are town. I just want us to be able to find scum more efficiently.

[drmyshottyizsik]

also

[drmyshottyizsik]

ircher

[drmyshottyizsik]

is

[drmyshottyizsik]

dead

[drmyshottyizsik]

soon

[drmyshottyizsik]

soon

I thought Ircher was already dead. Now he's dead sooon. Afraid you'll be turbo lynched?

I said a while back it will take a few pages for him to bleed out.

[drmyshottyizsik]

soon

I thought Ircher was already dead. Now he's dead sooon. Afraid you'll be turbo lynched?

I said a while back it will take a few pages for him to bleed out.

Stop spamming. FFS. None of this bleed out shit. Ircher is town. Give some actual fucking reads, or has nothing happened in the past few pages given you a read at all?

You were two busy saying I think ETL is scum to see my post right before where I called him a town read?

[drmyshottyizsik]

i keep seeing DGB, zito, and reck, with every post he makes.

this is the biggest compliment I have ever got, I'm literally in tears

[drmyshottyizsik]

i keep seeing DGB, zito, and reck, with every post he makes.

this is the biggest compliment I have ever got, I'm literally in tears

shut the fuck up shitty

yumad?

[drmyshottyizsik]

i keep seeing DGB, zito, and reck, with every post he makes.

this is the biggest compliment I have ever got, I'm literally in tears

I think he meant your avatar.

that makes a lot more sense. because it is dgb, zito, and reck

[drmyshottyizsik]

I dont see how cy is scummy, just lazy?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I got to page 11 and I got busy lol. I'll try to finish everything in a bit

I have read nothing and everything at the same time. Ircher seems most scum atm so I'll go with him for now

VOTE: Ircher

I dunno what this is. I think votes on him are lazier than these posts though.

agreed

.

.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Spoiler: NY 195 - D1 Copper ISO MAY 21

1. 29 - Willing to be lynched if I'm scum -

I think this is a somewhat risky statement to make. As either alignment, it strongly suggests both Copper & I are not both anti-town. I'm leaning town here though. -

+1 Point

2. 159 -

In the @Titus section: a) No, but I would change as soon as I got a scumread. Maybe unvote if the RVSed player is town imo. b) Ok. c) His anakysis was valid imo. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. Overall, I get probably town reads from this post. It seems like a decent response to me. -

+2 Points

3. 169 - Votes Nos in 167 because of attacking me for statistics not town mindset -

I dunno.... I feel that of all the things Copper could have chosen, this just feels.... Well, this just feels nitpickey. Not sure if this is town or scum really...... -

0 Points

4. 179 -

When I look at the last few posts of Copper, I can't but help think that Copper is very skilled in rhetoric. He's like Cassius who turned the crowd against Brutus in the William Shakespearean play

The Tragedy of Julius Caesar

. I just cannot help thinking he's trying to manipulate people with his rhetorical skills. -

0 Points

5. 318 - Coming around on a scumread on me -

I fundamentally disagree with your approach here, and it really reads more as "I should change my read, so I can lynch him if necessary." Srry, but that's the motive I saw there. -

-2 Points

6.

It perplexes me as to why Copper decided to keep his vote on Nosferatu. Has Nos really struck your radar so much? If so, I think you need to expound on your earlier explanation for voting Nos. -

-1 Point

Total Score: 0 points
Average Score: 0 (0 / 6)
Final Score: -0.5 (In range of -6 to 6; includes bias score of -0.5)

I mean... what?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Nah, I need to find them quickly.

The long and short of them is that - indicates scum while + indicates town, and the farther from zero indicates the strength.

Oh REALLY I thought + meant bird and - meant rabbit! Seriously your numbers are based on what people think of you and how they interact with you.
VOTE: IRcher
Only scum would do this. This is so fake and lazy. You are effectively, and admittedly making a list of people and how +- you think they are based on how they treat you. This is lazy and dumb scum. The only reason anyone would make reads like this is for who to NK, seriously do what good scum do and use a .txt file. I know this is your first time as scum, but you are awful at it. I didn't day vig you, you aren't dead yet, but you will be. You admitted to making a list of reads that achieve nothing, but are for you in the future. You are either claiming PR or Scum, and a PR wouldn't give scum a "here is who I'm interested in investigating or using my pr against" list, that would be suicide at the worst, and at the least incredibly stupid.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Shotty
You need to stop, as you seriously do not understand me at all.

die

[drmyshottyizsik]

Scum do not have mechanical day talk

BAM.

Titus is scum. With Ircher.

*dance*

Been saying this

[drmyshottyizsik]

lost in the damn woods

mod of the year

[drmyshottyizsik]

Cy, TBG, Copper, Shotty

Your wagon is almost completely town (no real read on IaI). How does it make you feel?

I have a wagon?

[drmyshottyizsik]

s u r e

so
um
really
evil?
why the spaces?

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: titus
i really don't like the way you say ircher is obv town. He is far from it, but you seem to know something I don't.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@shotty, voting me because you can't mislynch Ircher. Tsk. Tsk.

nope, I can't mis lynch scum. People were putting pressure elsewhere and you are scum so time to pressure you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hey anen I have my own car it's just no one wants to get in!(I don't use public transportation). also it is how certian titus seems of ircher being town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

lowell

i said I had other reads. and yes I may be guilty of tunneling. I'll get back to ircher but right now I really want.pressure on titus

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Zakk, I can be pretty dominant regardless of alignment. Dominance just indicates I have something I want to push. While it may be a towntell for most, it probably isn't for me. (See Newbie 1388 for scum dominance). There's more recent examples but if you want to see scum personality, go to the core IMO.

My wagon is basically most of the scum from the Ircher wagon.
I'm going to have to wall Pers sooner rather than later. Bah. Pers is not scum merely for voting me. His whole interactions of hard defending ETL don't sit well with me, nor did his assertion that he didn't care what TBG flipped while doubtcasting the wagon so hard. His vote on Magna was crappy too. Basically, I cannot find anything to like on Persivul.

Why no love for TBG wagon?

The fact that these wagons aren't getting pushed very hard is indicative of the fact that there aren't many or any scum on your or ircher's wagon.

[drmyshottyizsik]

When I caught Oceanwind scum

Wait Oceanwind is a Pers alt?

Nosferatu - lean town. I disagree with Nos on Cy scumclaiming, but only through my own experience. I see where he gets it from. I like 444. I highly think Shotty just selectively responded rather than clicking on just a solitary link. I would like to hear more from Nos.

Please explain how that ISO is lean Town. There is very little content there. Literally my fact when I saw this was …

The fact that these wagons aren't getting pushed very hard is indicative of the fact that there aren't many or any scum on your or ircher's wagon.

Are you floating the concept that Ircher’s wagon was not being pushed very hard? The fact that it has gone away doesn’t mean it wasn’t strongly fueled.

My point is people are saying the same scum on Ircher's wagon jump over to titus. I think it is much more likely that this is town jump from scum to another scum. If it were scum jumping around the wagons would have waited for town and pushed really hard. It's not that the wagons weren't fueled strongly, it's that enough of the town had other reads and scum wasn't going to start bussing yet.

[drmyshottyizsik]

You can trust shotty on that, he's an expert on bussing...

oh you, but seriously.

[drmyshottyizsik]

BUSSED SO HARD!!!

Not this time sadly I'm town.

[drmyshottyizsik]

What do you think about zakk?

No sir, I don't like it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Ircher

why?

Its RVS.

Why are you already defending him?

VOTE: Ircher

Sheeping too hard.

Lol.

can you pls provide at least 4 reasons why ircher is town


p-edit: welp i wonder if thats real

He is trying to comfirm ircher scum, not by ircher being scum but rather by someone else's inability to provide x reason for him being town.

@Ircher
Nice, I can already tell you are more sure of yourself compared to when we played the first time.

@dr
Increased likelyhood of getting a read compared to another random, but since Ircher's been playing a lot that's not necessarily true anymore.

And the cooper ircher buddying continues!
VOTE: ircher
I'm almost sure of this now.

What happen to general chat?

But, if you find that scummy then:

VOTE: Shotty
For being opportunistic in play and deciding that general chit-chat is scum-indicative when it clearly isnt.

you can't vote you're dead.

Seriously did anyone take my fake vig seriously? Zakk seemed to have, and kinda wanted to run with it.

@Ircher
Nice, I can already tell you are more sure of yourself compared to when we played the first time.

@dr
Increased likelyhood of getting a read compared to another random, but since Ircher's been playing a lot that's not necessarily true anymore.

And the cooper ircher buddying continues!
VOTE: ircher
I'm almost sure of this now.

What happen to general chat?

But, if you find that scummy then:

VOTE: Shotty
For being opportunistic in play and deciding that general chit-chat is scum-indicative when it clearly isnt.

you can't vote you're dead.

I'm not dead.

Spoiler: nonsense you'll be stone dead in a moment

He is beating my dead horse, this is scummy as hell.

Only 5/21 players have posted so far and we're already on page 3, almost page 4...

Unvote

I'll be back when there's something worth reading...

Providing an excuse to lurk, scummy.

PEDIT: I guess its pick on Orcher day........

scumplaining

vote: ircher

peeeeerfect example/comparison for this, which i will talk about literally as soon as i can

Scumplaining? More like conf bias.

I don't feel like Titus copper case is invalid, mayhaps I should've just said I'm not interested in it right now

JUICIER juiciness is afoot.

Backpedaling, and with an awful explination.

not buying titus' copper stuff btw

but I do
VOTE: Copper

eh

Sup.

Titus and Icher are town.

I'm going to ignore the arguments that have already taken place and vote for the actual mafia.

Vote: TehBrawlGuy

The whole statistics discussion is stupid and doesn't read natural. Feels like a poor attempt at distancing to me, as does Ircher's "go vote shotty". VOTE: Ircher

Copper case has no real merit imo. Copper had no reason to unvote/vote anyone else, but also no reason to actually believe Ircher was more likely to be scum than anyone else at the time.

Primarily because in this post, he is setting himself up to vote for both Shotty/Ircher as opposed to taking one side. It looks like he's trying really hard to agree with both players at the same time.

Also, I want to see him under pressure.

I like your style. I think you're town.

He is town reading someone for play style.... this is scum trying to do something.

i keep seeing DGB, zito, and reck, with every post he makes.

this is the biggest compliment I have ever got, I'm literally in tears

shut the fuck up shitty

I mean seriously?

i'm back


titus are you sure persivul isn't a scum lean just because he's voting you?
you seem pretty omgus-y this game, unlike what i would expect from you


not a fan of the ircher wagon at all.

not a fan of the TBG wagon at all.


ETL vs titus felt kind of contrived. they both come out looking worse to me
i don't like the nitpicky-ness, it seemed far too nitpicky on both their parts

all this battle-of-the-ego stuff is very meh, to me


titus + ircher is null
titus > copper is bad


titus is just appearing everywhere now isn't she



that's probably a towntell.

wagon on her is curious. i highly doubt titus does this as town.

So the guy trying to lynch ircher off of my fake bullshit it now against the ircher wagon as soon as it looses momentum? No way.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Nahdia, Look at my readwall. That's what you need to know.

@Magna, When I look for town, I look for unlikely to be scum. Townie behaviors can be faked. Having less scum motivation cannot. Sometimes, there's a rare flash that screams "this is town" but that's few and far between.

@Shotty

If it were scum jumping around the wagons would have waited for town and pushed really hard.

So Shotty, you think there's no town on my wagon?

@Persivul, You coming around to me being town?You could also totally bus Zakk. The lies about agreeing with TBG were terribad.

Either scum is on your wagon or you are scum. I know I'm town, and I have a scum read on you, so I think the more likely outcome is that you are scum.

[drmyshottyizsik]

I agree that there's some suspicious stuff there, and particularly early. Plus, he has a different tone from our last game in which he was town. He's more measured in this game. But reviewing his ISO overall, I think it looks town. He's looking at different people, and generally the correct people. When challenged, he explains, but doesn't get defensive.

Scum team: Titus, Ircher, Copper
3rd party: Zakk

I still think this holds true, and it fits the was Zakk is playing.

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok so I left my computer in my office today so I'm stuck on a phone but here ir goes

MoI - I don't think it is over simplifying the game. I think it is a good starting point. There are other reasons I am scum reading Ircher, that it just something that supports my idea of what is going on here. Also look at the way ircher deffends zakk over the last few pages. He seems almost scared that I said zakk was scum. This coupled with the early distancing Zakk did to ircher by sheeping me and how when I said I killed him how quickly he wanted to call ircher scum. Also look at how Ircher keeps saying to look past that. My new theory is 2 scum teams. Copper and Titus/Ircher and Zakk.
VOTE: ircher these last 4 pages were awful.

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok so I left my computer in my office today so I'm stuck on a phone but here ir goes

MoI - I don't think it is over simplifying the game. I think it is a good starting point. There are other reasons I am scum reading Ircher, that it just something that supports my idea of what is going on here. Also look at the way ircher deffends zakk over the last few pages. He seems almost scared that I said zakk was scum. This coupled with the early distancing Zakk did to ircher by sheeping me and how when I said I killed him how quickly he wanted to call ircher scum. Also look at how Ircher keeps saying to look past that. My new theory is 2 scum teams. Copper and Titus/Ircher and Zakk.
VOTE: ircher these last 4 pages were awful.

Isn't multiball inherently non-normal?

Also, you haven't posted reads on Seth or Heur ever. Why are you okay with having no stated read on two of the leading lynches?

Is it? I'm pretty sure multi ball can be normal. I don't have reads on the majority of players. It's a large. It's day one. I haven't seen anything from seth or heur that would make me read them one way or another. Especially seth, I think his wagon really is mostly noise.

[drmyshottyizsik]

zakk why are you.continuously ignoring my accusations

[drmyshottyizsik]

Imagine that I'm scum to Ircher and his scum buddy is just in the range of town, but not too town. Seriously can we lynch him.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Imagine that I'm scum to Ircher and his scum buddy is just in the range of town, but not too town. Seriously can we lynch him.

It's stuff like this why I am scumreading you so much.

What's wrong with a mixed read? Nothing.
Why does the fact that I sorta "buddied" Titus earlier make it so much more a scumread? It does a little, but isn't a valid lynching point barring other, more compelling evidence.

I'll reconsider my read on you when you stop deathtunneling me.

I'll reconsider my read on you when you stop deathtunneling me.

my read on you when you stop deathtunneling me

The most blatant omgus ever.

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You had to write the same thing thrice because? If you wanna argue over null stuff and semantics, go right ahead, but OMGUS or not OMGUS, your deathtunnel has very little backing.

yes it does and you have ignored it. You just said you would re read me if I unvoted you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

No, I said I do it if you stop being unreasonable.

DIE SCUM!!!

thinking you are scum is in no way unreasonable.

[drmyshottyizsik]

It is when you are being super nitpickey about my posts.

I haven't been and you still haven't provided a valid defense

[drmyshottyizsik]

Starting to think seth is a jester... Is that role greylist?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Jester is explicitly non-Normal and wil never be in a Normal game.

with this I'll hop on the seth wagon. These last few posts, and a few before that I glazed over and probably should have looked closer at but was too busy tunneling ircher and confbiasing myself, have been either scum or at the very least bad enough to warrant a pl.
VOTE: seth
I'll have my computer back this weekend so I should be able to get a better grasp here and do a re read without focusing only on the 3 people I have tunneled thus far.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Between Magna and you, and my V/LA, I guess I could compromise there.

VOTE: Brawl

Seriously as soon as I unvote you, you unvote me are you kidding me!
VOTE: ircher
I can't believe I almost let people talk me off this. Ircher needs to die. I can't think straight until then. If he isn't scum then I will never play with him again.

[drmyshottyizsik]

@Titus
Maybe the problem lies in the fact I often don't fact-check posts. What I read, I generally try to take at face value.

Pedit: Suits me Shotty. I got a 5 day V/LA coming up; I cant just stay on the Shitty wagon when no one's willing to join. There's more than 1 scum fyi.

How do you know that for certain? That is a very interesting choice of words.

[drmyshottyizsik]

What nonsense are you implying now?

You seem to be certain of the number of scum
:p
No come on that was just a poorly timed joke.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Not even funny at all.

AtE!!!!!! AtE!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

How about that one? Also page top^^

[drmyshottyizsik]

Titus why are you coaching ircher?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Anybody who's voting for a 1 man wagon needs to jump off, reread, and pick a wagon

Anybody who's voting TehBrawlGuy is either stupid, scum, or not paying attention

Anybody who's voting ircher, that ship has sailed and it's time for you to stop doggy paddling towards it

In other words

Everyone vote heuristic. I could also do with a wagon swimg onto ETL.

You are telling people that the largest wagon is bad. You are saying the single voters are bad. You are telling people to pick an existing wagon. Ircher is the second largest existing wagon, second to the wagon you say is bad. Yet you say that the ircher ship has sailed? Seriously this is nothing other than a cryptic defense for ircher.

[drmyshottyizsik]

And Brawl........

But that wagon is obviously crap. He just said that so once tbg flips town he can gain town points

[drmyshottyizsik]

Matt I think that quote is what we would call well poisoning.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Titus- I’ve played with Titus in his scum game, and she is really hard to read as scum.

Titus is really good at making any player she wants appear scummy if she wants.

While I’ve seen scum and town reads, I don’t see any attempts to make elaborate pushes bringing up evidence for it, so I want to say town lean.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Are you saying that HA set that up so that if Titus later attempts to push for the actual scum, HA can discredit it by referencing his read? Interesting.

exactly.

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Page 42:
Ok, I can't read Nahdia worth shit, so I'll wait for associative tells later on.

Zakk saying he doesn't care about looking town is exactly why he's town. In his scum game, he didn't immediately explain a read because he got called scummy for explaining reads before that. It was one of the reasons I suspected him there. Here, he's doing the exact opposite.

Page 43:
Brawl, which of Nahdia's posts did you think were "really good"? I agree with the rest of the reads you posted here, but I don't understand this one.

Drmy, I'm still pretty convinced you are town, but why aren't you interested in ISOing Seth and Heur or something to get a better read considering their wagons took off.

Hmm. Ircher's reads list actually looks pretty good... Not in the sense that I agree with everything. More like I can follow why he'd believe the things he says.

Titus, why do you have no problem with Ircher not blindly trusting you when you didn't like me saying basically the same thing.

Ircher's "I'll reconsider my read on you when you stop tunneling" comment feels the same as Killthestory's "I'll play when I'm townread". I don't like it.

Page 44:
Seth, first of all my issue with your cythefly vote and unvote is the timing. It was convenient to vote him when you didn. When you unvoted, it no longer was. Second of all, if we never lynched new players, new scum would always win so that's bullshit. Third of all, new players can be easier to read because they have more tells that they aren't aware of yet. I don't like how much you are trying to distance yourself from that vote. It's like you know how scummy it was.

Anen, I get the opposite conclusion about Brawl. The fact that he decided to look up whether it's considered normal to have two scum teams shows that he doesn't have inside knowledge on whether we're dealing with that or not. I also got the opposite impression on something Nahdia said but don't care to discuss that much.

Seth's crap about Anen is unnecessary. Must be pissed off about being scumread.

Page 45:
Titus, I realize your ETL read changed. But you were scumreading her and I was saying I understood why but disagreed. I'm fully aware your read has changed (or maybe "softened" is a better word). And I don't think you are going to sell me on Brawl by the way. I don't see anything "hollow" about his posts. I don't even know what you think he's ignored. I don't care that he has gut reads and not following up well could be a result of this being a large game (even I can't keep up). His reads make perfect sense to me. I don't care that he'd been parked on Ircher (I have as well). I think the Heur vote is fine. And I don't care that he isn't discussing his wagon because I'd prefer he scumhunt as opposed to go all "my wagon is obvscum".

Lowell, why doesn't Ircher's "stop deathtunneling me" read as trying to get out of the flame war to you?

Copper, putting yourself in a reads list isn't scummy. Ircher has done plenty of scummy things but that wasn't one of them and the readslist as a whole was probably his towniest post of the game. I've put myself in readslists as both alignments tons of times. It's not about a certain motivation. It's just...something that gets done. I see your point about some of his reads being because of the players' reads on him though.

Nahdia's Anen vote is pretty dumb.

Too bad my battery is about to die. Was hoping to finish.

I did, I don't like seth much, but I think they are just awful.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Mod

: With out talking about on going games I will just say either replace me or replace Seth, and for why check the bans thread. I refuse to play with them.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: egg
Pretty sre of this

[drmyshottyizsik]

@egg why ignore my vote?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Again I'll start playing.again when seth is replaced.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Oh Seth just requested replacement anyway. There you go.

Seeking a replacement for him.

My bad! Back to playing. Little sis just got in town from university so I'll post tomorrow

[drmyshottyizsik]

That's odd considering that you later conceded that it really wasn't a slip, rather it was just the wording.

this

[drmyshottyizsik]

That's odd considering that you later conceded that it really wasn't a slip, rather it was just the wording.

this

Do you need him to hold your dick while you pee, too?

Only if my other two hands are in use and for some reason my aim is off.

[drmyshottyizsik]

That's odd considering that you later conceded that it really wasn't a slip, rather it was just the wording.

Correct. Not "trying to push a townie who just worded something awkwardly". You immediately tried floating that without bothering to look into what actually occurred or my actual thinking on the situation. In fact, you didn't even question me about it, like Titus did. It looks to me like you are intentionally trying to make anything stick, and that's just not town-motivated.

So he accuses you of trying to make something stick and your defense is well you're just trying to make anything stick...

[drmyshottyizsik]

That's odd considering that you later conceded that it really wasn't a slip, rather it was just the wording.

Correct. Not "trying to push a townie who just worded something awkwardly". You immediately tried floating that without bothering to look into what actually occurred or my actual thinking on the situation. In fact, you didn't even question me about it, like Titus did. It looks to me like you are intentionally trying to make anything stick, and that's just not town-motivated.

So he accuses you of trying to make something stick and your defense is well you're just trying to make anything stick...

Except no. Because I pointed out a slip I thought I caught. There was discussion around it. I then realized I misread it and said so.

In contrast, Persivul has tried jumping on any bad bandwagon possible and attempting to push BS no matter how shitty it stinks.

Are you scumreading me? If so, just vote me and stop talking to me because you're already beginning to piss me off.

I wasn't, but ultimatums make you look fairly scummy. Don't take it personally.

[drmyshottyizsik]

So why is pers scum there? Because he hadn't stated a read on someone in a few pages? We are assuming a lot here

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@zakk: OMG, you're going to one of my newbie games from a year ago and saying that's my definitive town meta.

Are you scum, or just a fucking idiot?

We've been over this he is scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

Btw my egg vote was purely to test reactions and opportunism
VOTE: Zack

[drmyshottyizsik]

I put two k's but my phone autocorrected I'm sorry.

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Is zakk scum, btw? I'm really asking. bc damn I do not know.

this is a weird post.

if there's an alignment cop i request they check Lowell.

i thought the same. looks like Lazytown to me, which is why i answered it succinctly instead of overanalyzing it

don't know how Lowell-scum plays, but to me this looks more like a player trying to get back into the game mentally than someone trying to throw shade, bc 1. way too obvious in a short iso 2. easy to call out, like you just did, and 3. i assume lowell is smarter than that

and overthinking THAT would be overanalyzing. so he gets a detached townread for now.

zakk's right. I just can't sort him. If I thought specifically he was scum I'd say so. I don't do the "omg u guyz I don't know maybe X is scum guyz? but im just sayin'", as a rule, regardless of alignment.

What made me ask the question is that, despite being an active poster, I have no good read on him. Which is confusing for me.

To me, zakk's been scum ever since he misrepped ETL to push a case on her. If you can't get a handle on someone, what I'd do is look at their posts and ask why. That's the same thing I suggested to Ircher earlier.

qft

[drmyshottyizsik]

Not today Nahdia.

[drmyshottyizsik]

well egg didn't really react at all, so it's hard to get anything from said reaction test

[drmyshottyizsik]

well egg didn't really react at all, so it's hard to get anything from said reaction test

Scum.

Am I wrong? Did I miss the reaction? Why am I scum for this?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Can we get back to lynching zakk please

[drmyshottyizsik]

man now I have to play srs

k I'll do shit off mah mobile

Swat eye due.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Giving Killthestory another warning for trolling and abuse. Any further violations will result in a force replace.

I cll discrimination, where's my warning?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Giving Killthestory another warning for trolling and abuse. Any further violations will result in a force replace.

I cll discrimination, where's my warning?

Can we stop with the sensoring of play styles?

Ya looking like I'm trying hurts a lot of my gambits

[drmyshottyizsik]

WTF shotty are you trying to out-troll the troll?

Whaaaaat, you know if we all act like this is will just be called norms bruh, trollins subjective. Also to be fair I am the original VI, me and CHESSKID.

[drmyshottyizsik]

this game is fucking hilarious lmao

Wait we aren't mod killed yet?

[drmyshottyizsik]

this game is fucking hilarious lmao

Wait we aren't mod killed yet?

Nah I'm talking from the grave dawg, so I think I'm gonna be banned or something lmao

You know if you were to sign up for maybe a hypothetical micro theme I'm running I wouldn't replace you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Zakk

I need more pressure on this

Thank you!
And I agree pers wagon is shit

[drmyshottyizsik]

Pers is at L-2

No he
s not silly, he at
VOTE: pers l-1

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Zakk

I need more pressure on this

Thank you!
And I agree pers wagon is shit

Pers is at L-2

No he
s not silly, he at
VOTE: pers l-1

What happened here?

well I wanted to see HIS reaction and see what he did but you ruined it so,

unvote

[drmyshottyizsik]

Well, uh did pers claim? is not can we please lynch tius tomorrow, he is either bussing scum or scummy scum, I'm too drunk to do mafia now

[drmyshottyizsik]

why? I'm town though

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't buy it. You're also clearly detached from the game or faking it.

I just said I'm drunk, like Friday night phone post at the bar I jusr got paid drunk, detached is all ia m

[drmyshottyizsik]

uhhh

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: tbg
Better than pers, again pers is obv town. Btw reactions like what I've just seen from pers was what I was trying to get with my vote. We don't have much time left.

[drmyshottyizsik]

lets go VOTE: killthestory

weakest vote vea

[drmyshottyizsik]

eva

[drmyshottyizsik]

How is titus not being lynched today seriously

[drmyshottyizsik]

How is titus not being lynched today seriously

Why should Titus be lynched at all?
I have a decent town read on her.

I'm not going to go back through 90 pages and hold your hand through this, go re read and you will see.
for now,
VOTE: kts
since it's one or the other this is the one I feel is more likely scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shotty, how sure are you that Persivul is town?

I'd say 60-70%

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Titus
Well looks like some vigs cleared a few things up for us.

[drmyshottyizsik]

hey so titus here's my list of 5 ppl for u to choose from

copper
coopper
aneninen
aneninen
titus

Given those flips, I am ok with Copper or Anen being pressured a bit. You still need 3 more. :-p

@shotty, you mean mainly that I was right on kill and ETL.

We agreed on kill and etl so what's your point here?

[drmyshottyizsik]

hey so titus here's my list of 5 ppl for u to choose from

copper
coopper
aneninen
aneninen
titus

Given those flips, I am ok with Copper or Anen being pressured a bit. You still need 3 more. :-p

@shotty, you mean mainly that I was right on kill and ETL.

We agreed on kill and etl so what's your point here?

So great, you're not voting me based on flips then are you?

I thought you were scum yesterday, and couldn't get the wagon going because of concern over pers, etl, and tbg. Now all three have flipped town so I'm back to this.

Scum:
Titus
Copper
Zakk

[drmyshottyizsik]

hey so titus here's my list of 5 ppl for u to choose from

copper
coopper
aneninen
aneninen
titus

Given those flips, I am ok with Copper or Anen being pressured a bit. You still need 3 more. :-p

@shotty, you mean mainly that I was right on kill and ETL.

We agreed on kill and etl so what's your point here?

So great, you're not voting me based on flips then are you?

I thought you were scum yesterday, and couldn't get the wagon going because of concern over pers, etl, and tbg. Now all three have flipped town so I'm back to this.

Scum:
Titus
Copper
Zakk

You couldn't get a wagon on me because the dead town thought i was town...so now I am going to vote you.

P.s. I dare you to bus Zakk.

You're already bussing zakk though.

[drmyshottyizsik]

hey so titus here's my list of 5 ppl for u to choose from

copper
coopper
aneninen
aneninen
titus

Given those flips, I am ok with Copper or Anen being pressured a bit. You still need 3 more. :-p

@shotty, you mean mainly that I was right on kill and ETL.

We agreed on kill and etl so what's your point here?

So great, you're not voting me based on flips then are you?

I thought you were scum yesterday, and couldn't get the wagon going because of concern over pers, etl, and tbg. Now all three have flipped town so I'm back to this.

Scum:
Titus
Copper
Zakk

You couldn't get a wagon on me because the dead town thought i was town...so now I am going to vote you.

P.s. I dare you to bus Zakk.

You're already bussing zakk though.

So why not vote there and help me bus if that's what you really think?

Fine
VOTE: zakk
but his scum flip will not gain you any points.

[drmyshottyizsik]

My new theory is 2 scum teams. Copper and Titus/Ircher and Zakk.

Actualy you may not be bussing.
Given the NKs I think this looks more likely.

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: Shotty

seriously why?

[drmyshottyizsik]

zakk and titus are both setting me up to be the scum partner of the other, I smell a scum team

[drmyshottyizsik]

*checks in*
so zakk and titus and copper all still breathing?
ok.
*checks out*

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think nos is ok, really nothing hugely scummy.

[drmyshottyizsik]

zakk and titus are both setting me up to be the scum partner of the other, I smell a scum team

i just noticed that both shotty and titus are trying to paint me as scum with the other one

like really guys let me help you distance from each other harder

seriously zakk

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes, I am. Why should I believe you?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes, I am. Why should I believe you?

there is literally no reason to trust me. but you should anyway.

as far as me being pro-town that should pretty much speak for itself. i protect the people i have town reads on and i try to lynch the people i think are scummy.

i kinda disregarded you as spam in the first few days of the game, and didn't really look back.

after i had to reshuffle things you came out pretty scummy because you're kinda hanging on the periphery, not being a heavyweight like me and titus and ETL and such, but still making a lot of posts and a lot of noise (which is something i do as scum)

ugh this was a town response!
VOTE: titus if it wasn't there.

Ok fine let's join together and lynch titus

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yes, I am. Why should I believe you?

there is literally no reason to trust me. but you should anyway.

as far as me being pro-town that should pretty much speak for itself. i protect the people i have town reads on and i try to lynch the people i think are scummy.

i kinda disregarded you as spam in the first few days of the game, and didn't really look back.

after i had to reshuffle things you came out pretty scummy because you're kinda hanging on the periphery, not being a heavyweight like me and titus and ETL and such, but still making a lot of posts and a lot of noise (which is something i do as scum)

ugh this was a town response!
VOTE: titus if it wasn't there.

Ok fine let's join together and lynch titus

Ok so I'm guessing these two are a scum team?

Because we both want to lynch titus?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also I love that when zakk's wagon got some legs, you switched off. Seems like you got nervous about bussing him.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LYNC HIM FOR 100 DAMN PAGES

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also I love that when zakk's wagon got some legs, you switched off. Seems like you got nervous about bussing him.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LYNC HIM FOR 100 DAMN PAGES

If that was your goal, why jump of when it gets going?

because I've been trying to lynch you for 100 pages too! You should have been hung yesterday and zakk today, but no. No one listens to shotty and now 4 town are dead,

[drmyshottyizsik]

I need a VC I will vote who ever has more votes on the between copper, titus, and zakk

[drmyshottyizsik]

What the votes say, assuming Titus is having a bad game and being used as a battering ram to take the heat, by scum:

Anen: town getting pushed by scum.

Cythefly: bad town being spoon-fed by scum and lapping it up, or scum being very brazen under the cover of being a newbie.

Egg: see previous post, likely scum. @Titus why no early scumread on Egg?

Expe: Town not having a fun time.

Ircher: omgus or vote on the biggest wagons is the pattern that emerges here, this is such a terrible pattern you should be ashamed if you are town, and in this world you are.

Liger: town newbie.

Magna: follows Titus on Copper (whitout a vote) under the cover of clearing his PT, but then doesn't have anything to ask in said PT, follows Titus (and PM) on TBG, which is consistent with the initial hypothesis, the votes are both bad and very opportunistic.

Nahdia: Scum with Nos PM and Magna, taking advantage of Titus whom she pockets early with a town-lean. Particularly worrisome are her discarding her early Magna read for no reason (finished distancing) when Titus asked her for further names, her coordination with Nosferatu (push on me, push on Anen, Nos was likely positioning herself to go on Ircher with Nahdia as well with that stats post) and her read switch on Anen (PM also switches and the reason he gives is pretty weak, he liked a lot of Anen's early posting but now he looks weaker).

Nos: see pre-post read.

PMatt: Other than what mentioned with other players, very early town read on both Titus and Ircher (consistent with the scum strategy hypothesized here).

Shaz: new-town doing his own thing.

Shotty: In this world he is more likely duped town than scum, the emphasis on wanting to lynch Ircher/Titus with a vengeance while compromising if the game state requires it makes his reads likely genuine (and crap).

Titus: town by definition in this world.

Zakk: Like shotty his reads in this world are garbage but genuine in the way he is pushing, he also has solo votes on slots that nobody is even looking at and where is the support from his supposed teammates in that or why is he picking fights with lowell and ETL when he already is against Titus & co, more so than Shotty this here is misguided town.

Shotty's reads on me and Titus do not feel at all genuine.

Shotty literallly tries to find anything to throw dirt or shade at us, yet you find that genuine?

At US???? Who is your partner?
VOTE: Ircher

[drmyshottyizsik]

My point is why is he taking the time to defend you as well? He is trying to protect you.

[drmyshottyizsik]

My point is why is he taking the time to defend you as well? He is trying to protect you.

We're townreads of each other. That's natural. Now, why are you trying to divert from Zakk instead of voting him if you think he's scum?

Look we are going in circles here. I think multiple people are scum, if every time I vote one of you, you say well if you think they are scum vote them, and I switch votes we will get no where.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ircher do just not read?

[drmyshottyizsik]

My first game I nailed scum to a cross D1 hehe.

we still made it to LyLo cause no one believed me tho...

5. Do not use tiny text, cryptography or anything along those lines.

[drmyshottyizsik]

actually easier on a phone, I can't read it at all.

[drmyshottyizsik]

getting to this

[drmyshottyizsik]

I actually have a day off tomorrow.

So, stuff then.

I'm very sorry for being useless, I hope I can help when I get time later but my hold on this game is slipping.

getting to this

Excuse

after

Excuse

after

Excuse





Same, tho. This game got very boring and I'm demoralized af

Pretty much,
VOTE: titus
can we do this yet?
also this post actually looked pretty town

[drmyshottyizsik]

I actually have a day off tomorrow.

So, stuff then.

I'm very sorry for being useless, I hope I can help when I get time later but my hold on this game is slipping.

getting to this

Excuse

after

Excuse

after

Excuse





Same, tho. This game got very boring and I'm demoralized af

Pretty much,
VOTE: titus
can we do this yet?
also this post actually looked pretty town

[drmyshottyizsik]

MoI, I'm just town. Multiball just seemed obvious with the way people were playing. Also if I were scum, how would I know it was multiball day one?

[drmyshottyizsik]

jumping ship fuck this

[drmyshottyizsik]

finishing this game and a couple others sorry over reacted

[drmyshottyizsik]

The fact it's 2-Shot further suggests its a scum commuter.

Why?

This is scum Copper protecting scum Kop.

I think this is you not answering a question

[drmyshottyizsik]

You havent said a useful thing all-game.

I think what I just pointed out is pretty important also nice strawman with a red hearing thrown in

[drmyshottyizsik]

So right now I'm thinking Ircher is trying to avoid answering questions, which I hate. I think it would be worth wagoning Kop, because I don't like that Seth's awful scumminess is getting slipped past as "Oh he's just a troll", and if he flips scum I'm going to be looking fairly hard into the people who were trying that excuse to be honest. Kop hasn't done anything that really improves his image to me (Including a roleclaim this early), so
VOTE: Kop

I can actually see that... sigh
VOTE: kop

[drmyshottyizsik]

zakk can you use different colours? I'm colorblind and can't see the difference in those blue and purple shades

[drmyshottyizsik]

I've given commuter scum the option to either kill or commute before, it's like a scum jailkeeper that can only JK themself

[drmyshottyizsik]

thank you

[drmyshottyizsik]

VOTE: titus
come on guys today let's lynch scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

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[drmyshottyizsik]

If I were scum I would have already made them bus me so I can gets my title

[drmyshottyizsik]

So Lowell just claimed serial killer, interesting
VOTE: Lowell

[drmyshottyizsik]

vig titus]/b]
I've had enough of this, see you guys tomorrow.

[drmyshottyizsik]

vig titus

I've had enough of this, see you guys tomorrow.

FTFMS

mod feel free to count the quote

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yay MoI proved I'm not scum :p

VOTE: shaz
MoI is very accurate with VCA usually so I've learned to sheep